The Temple of Boo is terrible. :96:
- Mackey Arena. IMHO the best venue in the B1G ten. When Mackey is rocking it's deafening.
Indiana is still recruiting at a pretty high clip. They're a blue blood. That's what they do, regardless of on-court results.
Knight and Keady are legends, but both were pretty washed up by the time I was in College.
Indiana made a run to the NCG the year that Knight was fired, so obviously he was still recruiting at a pretty high clip.
I personally would put Purdue at #3...Comparing just those three on the metrics that I mostly relied on in making the list:
OSU and UM are great, but they're not basketball schools.
How does Beilein not pop into your mind when thinking of UM hoops? I know recruiting is part of the deal, but he got the most out of the guys he did recruit. They were deadly in March too. I would put him up there with the best coaches I've watched in the Big Ten.
Did I imagine I was at a ncaa watch party when with Northwestern alumni when they defeated Vandy in the 1st round of the tournament a few years ago? I readily admit to being a cliff's notes hoops fan, but they did win that game didn't they?hah, It's not often that I feel that Nebrasketball is over rated
Get the Huskers back to #14. 0-7, and they've done it across a broad spectrum on the seed line. I suppose they did cut down the NiT nets and managed to win a big 8 tournament once.
The Temple of Boo is terrible. :96:Yeah, I actively avoid watching games in Mackey, it's the most irritating venue in the nation. I know I've said this before, but my buddy from law school who is a Maryland alum texted me during Maryland's first game there, and asked if Purdue fans booing everything was just a "thing they did" like Blackhawk fans cheering through the anthem, because of how they just booed through the entire game
According to the data Medina provided, I would place OSU in 3rd as well. But, his 5 data points skew heavily towards good performance in the NCAA tournament. OSU with 10 final 4's is gonna look real good in 4 of his metrics.It is true that 10 F4's automatically HAVE to have come with:
How does Beilein not pop into your mind when thinking of UM hoops? I know recruiting is part of the deal, but he got the most out of the guys he did recruit. They were deadly in March too. I would put him up there with the best coaches I've watched in the Big Ten.Tenure. He was there 12 years, which is great, but not an astounding length. And he didn't retire there.
Seems Alphabeta is looking at this through the lens of "helmetiness" while Medina is ranking their actual historical accomplishments.Yes, to an extent.
Let me ask it this way... Let's say that Purdue in the next 3 years wins an NC. I honestly think that with the talented youth, and the incoming recruits next year, Purdue is going to be a juggernaut.I'm assuming, for purposes of this answer that neither Michigan nor tOSU win an NC in that stretch:
Would one FF culminating in a NC tip the scales where all the rest of that "helmetiness" would push them ahead of UM/OSU on Medina's list?
OT, what is with the new name?Removed my last name from my screen name to make it less identifiable for google search purposes.
Removed my last name from my screen name to make it less identifiable for google search purposes.Makes sense, just curious, thank you.
Wisconsin even being arguably ahead of Illinois is wild.A 19 year streak of NCAA Tournament appearances (UW from 1999-2017) will erase a whole lot of nearly any team's prior lead.
Mostly because that gap was insanely wide early in my fandom of the badgers
A 19 year streak of NCAA Tournament appearances (UW from 1999-2017) will erase a whole lot of nearly any team's prior lead.There's always recency bias too. The long tenure of Bo Ryan and the pretty seamless [so far] handover to Greg Gard makes the program look incredibly stable and successful, and sometimes you then tend to discount older results. When you see Wisconsin today, you look back and wonder "how did they go nearly 50 years without an NCAA tournament appearance?", but they literally did have a nearly 50 year walk through the wilderness.
I think if you compiled this list circa 1998 before MSU's current 22 Tournament streak of appearances and UW's 19 Tournament streak started, the Illini might have been #2 or #3.
Removed my last name from my screen name to make it less identifiable for google search purposes.
There's always recency bias too. The long tenure of Bo Ryan and the pretty seamless [so far] handover to Greg Gard makes the program look incredibly stable and successful, and sometimes you then tend to discount older results. When you see Wisconsin today, you look back and wonder "how did they go nearly 50 years without an NCAA tournament appearance?", but they literally did have a nearly 50 year walk through the wilderness.The incredible success of Pat Richter almost cannot be overstated. He took over as AD in Madison in 1989. At that time the football team hadn't won a league title since 1962 and the basketball team hadn't since 1947. Their football and basketball programs were bottom feeders and hadn't been consistently good in about 80 years.
Rk School W L NCAA FF NC
1 Indiana 1865 1074 39 8 5
2 Purdue 1850 1042 31 2 0
3 Illinois 1824 1029 30 5 0
4 Ohio St. 1710 1096 33 11 1
5 Iowa 1683 1180 26 3 0
6 Minn. 1668 1227 14 1 0
7 Michigan 1650 1052 29 8 1Rank Team Arena Yrs W L Pct.
6 Michigan St. Breslin Events Ct. 29 390 59 .8686
10 Wisconsin Kohl Center 21 285 48 .8559
17 Ohio St. Value City Arena 20 304 57 .8421
21 Indiana Assembly Hall 47 576 115 .8336
24 Maryland Comcast Center 16 233 50 .8233
27 Purdue Mackey Arena 51 622 136 .8206
42 Michigan Crisler Center 51 622 164 .7913
The incredible success of Pat Richter almost cannot be overstated. He took over as AD in Madison in 1989. At that time the football team hadn't won a league title since 1962 and the basketball team hadn't since 1947. Their football and basketball programs were bottom feeders and hadn't been consistently good in about 80 years.Have to also credit Donna Shalala for recognizing that strong athletics are be a benefit for a major university.
Football:Basketball:
- They won five conference titles in 17 years from 1896-1912.
- They won three conference titles in 80 years from 1913-1992.
- They have won six conference titles in 28 years from 1993-2020.
- They won 11 conference titles in 23 years from 1907-1929.
- They won three conference titles in 73 years from 1930-2001.
- They have won five conference titles in 19 years from 2002-2020.
That mostly overlapping period of football (1913-1992) and basketball (1930-2001) futility was totally flipped on it's head by Pat Richter's hires. That is VASTLY more impressive to me than hiring a successful football coach at Ohio State or a successful basketball coach at Indiana. He managed to do it at a place where the only people old enough to have even a vague recollection of success where octogenarians.
send her up shit's creek w/o the paddleI never understood this saying. Wouldn't you rather be up a creek without a paddle than down a creek without a paddle?
I never understood this saying. Wouldn't you rather be up a creek without a paddle than down a creek without a paddle?