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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: OrangeAfroMan on February 12, 2021, 01:47:51 AM
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I only get 3 all-time Buckeye QBs:
J.T. Barrett
Bobby Hoying
Troy Smith
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or maybe Rex Kern or Cornelius Greene? Who needs to make the team and won't hinder it with really poor passing stats?
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I dunno w/o looking Haskins/Fields should also get a look
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or maybe Rex Kern
Kern was before my time, but I've watched the 1969 Rose Bowl.
First, background:
That was a #1 vs #2 game back when those were rare. USC with a now forgotten (LoL) heisman trophy winner named OJ Simpson was #2 and the defending champion while tOSU was #1.
Anyway, the thing that amazed me about Kern wasn't his passing, it was his ball fake ability. It was astonishing. USC's defenders and the camera operators were usually utterly clueless as to which Buckeye would emerge from the backfield with the ball.
I'm sure that doesn't help your stats but it was amazing to watch
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Art Schlichter was Ohio State's starting quarterback from 1978 to 1981 and was a first-round pick in the 1982 NFL draft.
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Art Schlichter was Ohio State's starting quarterback from 1978 to 1981 and was a first-round pick in the 1982 NFL draft.
I bet he was a great player.
Get it?
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So if you Bucks opened an all-time greats set of cards, which 3 QBs would you anticipate seeing? Which would you hate to not see?
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So if you Bucks opened an all-time greats set of cards, which 3 QBs would you anticipate seeing? Which would you hate to not see?
I would think Haskins, Smith, and either Hoying or Schlichter.
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Thanks.
So being a starter for only 1 season isn't an issue?
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Thanks.
So being a starter for only 1 season isn't an issue?
It would be if Ohio State had more options but we really don't because for so much of our history throwing the ball was so rare.
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Steve Bellisari, Kirk Herbstreit and Joe Bauserman.
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I was literally going to put that as the first post, but I didn't want to get off on the wrong foot, lol.
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Maybe I'll do this - post the roster I put together and have you guys suggest edits? Let's try it with OSU.
QB (3): Haskins, T.Smith, Schlichter
RB (4): Griffin, George, Elliott, Cassady (Dobbins?)
WR (5): Glenn, C.Carter, Boston, G.Williams, Holmes (Galloway? Warfield? Jenkins?)
TE (1): John Frank (Dudley? Anders? Jankowski?)
Sacks (4 or 5): Vrabel, Simmons, J.Bosa, Finkes, W.Smith
Int (4 or 5): Tatum, Winfield, Springs, Sensibaugh, Bruney
K (1): Mike Nugent
P (1): Tom Tupa
KR (1): Tom Barrington
PR (1): Ginn Jr
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How's that? Pick it apart IF you have someone better to plug in.
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Jim Otis & John Brockington?
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Jim Otis & John Brockington?
If you think someone should be included, you have to say who you'd pull out.
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I know Damon Moore as a safety would be in the conversation as greatest ever DBs in C-Bus.had 2 pick 6's 12 career pix and 191 career solo tackles 2nd among all DBs and 267 total tackles 17 for a loss.I don't know if this fits into your game
Neal colzie was good also 1974 AA and all Big Ten his Jr/Sr yrs.He also racked up 855 career punt return yds
Malcolm Jenkins won the Thorpe Award and 2 time 1st team AA
Mike Doss was another,twice lead the team in tackles and was 2nd a third time.In 2002 lead the Buckeyes to their 1st NC in 34 yrs.But you have a good list
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Hmmmmm........what if I did all-time teams by school for each decade? More of the great players would be included and customers could buy the era they remember most fondly.
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70s OSU
80s OSU, etc.
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I must seem scatterbrained on this, but I'm just trying to come up with what people will most want.
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How's this suit Buckeyes fans?
(https://i.imgur.com/teaNWoz.jpg)
Notes:
No, the average score isn't correct, I fixed it to 34 PF, 13 PA
Yes, for the decade of the 70s, the Bucks only allowed 13 points per game on defense.
I included Kern for 2 reasons: I don't plan on making a 60s team AND of the other choices at QB, one was a backup and the other never, ever threw the ball. One season of Kern was enough to get him on this team.
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Basically, I think a team like this will be more meaningful to a game-player than an overall all-time team - of which they'll all be superteams. These decade all-star teams will all be strong, but will have their relative strengths and weaknesses, too.
And yes, I'm going to take the time to get the defensive stats.
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Skaldaney however you spell his name over tupa
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Haskins one year was the best any OSU QB has ever had. I think I'd go with him.
4,900 yards and 50 TD's vs 8 INT's - 70% completion- in one year- doesn't get better than that.
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Ya and Urbz felt the need to keep him and Jeaux Bureaux penned to let JTB strecth his legs.Good kid and all that but Urbz wasn't watching the 31-0 white washing in'16.Because he turned around and handed him the ball in the following spring camp with those two stallions chomping on the bit
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Still hating on the kid who OWNS the OSU passing record-books, I see. That's fun stuff.
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did that kid win any championships?
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Still hating on the kid who OWNS the OSU passing record-books, I see. That's fun stuff.
That'd be Haskins and I wasn't hating rather pointing out a fact.He was handed the ball for parts of 5 yrs with the talent around him he should have made a dent.And he got cut like 7 times after leaving C-Bus so reality exists.You may notice Saban wins w/o batting an eye to switching QBs - Big Boy Game
Oops my bad
https://triblive.com/sports/cut-14-times-already-ex-ohio-state-qb-j-t-barrett-keeps-chasing-nfl-dream-with-steelers/
It was the 31st NFL transaction (https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/12/new-orleans-saints-rookie-jt-barrett-ohio-state-buckeyes-quarterback/) Barrett has been part of— 14 times he has been released or waived during a span of 19 months. But the three-time Big Ten Quarterback of the Year keeps perspective.
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did that kid win any championships?
That's a shiny cherry you picked. The most horse-shit measuring stick in all of sport: gauging QBs' ability with championships won.
I guess Jay Barker is better than Joe Namath.
Peyton Manning sucked.....I mean, he was no Tee Martin.
Roger Stabauch must have stunk in college - no championship.
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Hell, let's include other positions - Jim Brown simply didn't do enough to get Syracuse a NC. Earl Campbell must be overrated - Steve Worster was the superior RB, because of their natty in '69.
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Ugh.
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That'd be Haskins and I wasn't hating rather pointing out a fact.He was handed the ball for parts of 5 yrs with the talent around him he should have made a dent.And he got cut like 7 times after leaving C-Bus so reality exists.You may notice Saban wins w/o batting an eye to switching QBs - Big Boy Game
Oops my bad
https://triblive.com/sports/cut-14-times-already-ex-ohio-state-qb-j-t-barrett-keeps-chasing-nfl-dream-with-steelers/
It was the 31st NFL transaction (https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/12/new-orleans-saints-rookie-jt-barrett-ohio-state-buckeyes-quarterback/) Barrett has been part of— 14 times he has been released or waived during a span of 19 months. But the three-time Big Ten Quarterback of the Year keeps perspective.
Me: tries having a college football conversation
The earth: what about this NFL tidbit?!?
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Barrett was OSU's most productive QB of all-time. Hell, his career was closer to Tim Tebow's than anyone would imagine. Why? Because OSU fans' favorite hobby is crouching down and taking a big, fat dump on him whenever possible.
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AND I DON'T GIVE 2 FUX ABOUT NFL STUFF!
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Anyway, back on topic - I decided to do all-star teams by decade.
So far, I've made:
1970s OSU
1990s Florida
2000s Texas
1980s Miami
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The next obvious ones are 2010s Alabama, 1990s Nebraska, 1990s FSU, 1970s OU, and on and on.
I'm using their stats from the whole decade, so their defensive ratings aren't all maxed-out, which is a good thing.
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Steve Bellisari, Kirk Herbstreit and Joe Bauserman.
Honorable Mention: Justin Zwick
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Me: tries having a college football conversation
The earth: what about this NFL tidbit?!?
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Barrett was OSU's most productive QB of all-time. Hell, his career was closer to Tim Tebow's than anyone would imagine. Why? Because OSU fans' favorite hobby is crouching down and taking a big, fat dump on him whenever possible.
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AND I DON'T GIVE 2 FUX ABOUT NFL STUFF!
You:taking condescending unsolicited bullshit shots
Me:responding appropriately
You:playing the misunderstood victim
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My point was Barrett's productivity and your point was his lack of talent......which only makes his productivity all the more incredible.
And I'm not the victim, Barrett is.
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Oh please,cry me a river,about 3-4 yrs ago Saban sat a QB and installed Jalen Hurts that other QB transfered.Hurts/Bama win an NC.Then about a year and a half later Saban sat Jalen Hurts and installed Tua Tagavailoa - Hurts transferred.Saban/Tua wins a MC - it's called progress not participation trophy.Nicky would have run JT long ago who was given ample opportunity - it's big boy football.Ohio State won a NC w/o JTB and with the same team coming back he couldn't follow up.The only thing that supercedes your ignorance on the subject is your willingness to express it.If you can't see or won't admit Haskins/Burrow were at least a notch above maybe two you can't be helped.
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A) all I've commented on is that Barrett is BY FAR the most productive QB OSU has ever had AND that he's shit on at every opportunity by OSU fans
B) you can go on believing that QBs (or any position, for that matter) should be judged by championships won, in a sport with 22 moving parts every play....and you'll be safely with the herd in that thinking....and you'll be just as wrong as the others
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You bring up Hurts and Tua.....if a player beats out another player, that's great. Cool. But that didn't happen at OSU. If Barrett was so bad, he'd have been beaten out for the job. OSU fans jerk off to Burrow's big season at LSU w/ Brady there, but seem to ignore how pedestrian his first year at LSU was. That season showed why Barrett kept his job, but you like ignoring that.
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Anyway, Mac Jones just had as good a season as any Tua had and was runner-up for the Heisman. But you don't see Bama fans shitting all over Tua for Jones winning the NC as a starter and going undefeated - something Tua never did. It's weird. They're proud of BOTH of them for some reason. Like they're human!
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Yes, there was definitely nobody that was ever playing behind Barrett who went 11-0 as a starter including a NC.
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So it would have happened a year earlier because...?
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A) all I've commented on is that Barrett is BY FAR the most productive QB OSU has ever had AND that he's shit on at every opportunity by OSU fans
So reading comprehension ,again,SIGH.JT had plenty of talent around him - guys who weren't cut 14 times.When you're plugged in every year and manage to score more points than teams that are outmanned at almost every position that's hardly accomplishment.Scream all you want your point is on your head.Even bad NFL teams realize he simply wasn't all that.And if URBZ makes the same personnel misakes at the next level he'll get chewed up and spit out.Saban learned to play the best not the most liked a concept you obviously cannot grasp.Stick to board games more with in your reach
And I'm not shitting on JT pointing out the obvious Saban changed out QBs not getting the job done.Urban turned around after getting blasted 31-0 and stuck with the status quo
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I guess Urban Meyer wasn't a good HC.
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So reading comprehension ,again,SIGH.
Saban learned to play the best not the most liked a concept you obviously cannot grasp
I absolutely admit to not having a flying puck what you're trying to say here. Play the best not the most? Are you drunk? I proudly cannot grasp your drivel.
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And I have no idea how this thread devolved into bickering except that OSU fans cannot withhold their contempt for a starting QB who went 4-0 vs UM (the only QB on either side to say that), was 1st Team B1G QB 3x, went 38-6 as a starter.
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The funny part is if OSU lost to Clemson 31-27, I don't think he'd be your punching bag. So bizarre.
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Just admit you are a troll who hates Haskins/Burrow - see how that works.They didn't lose closely and I pointed out why Saban is the best,and again thicko he had 5 yrs to state his case in C-Bus.That's an observation by your responses you would have hated Saban.Stick to board games
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Oh and tOSU was losing to Michigan when JT was injured and Haskins(2017) rallied the team in the 2nd half - look it up then put down the pipe.Little research and less BS goes a long way.And JT got lucky it wasn't worse as he threw a pick on the goal line that a UM LB promply dropped - it's on YT I know how much you want to get to the truth.Strange URBZ rotated Tebow/Leak but wouldn't do it with proven better QBs than the incumbent.Two number ones don't deserve a shot over.....well you know.
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Are you frothing?
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So it would have happened a year earlier because...?
Why does Cardale Jones have to do it the year before?
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LSU hires Joe Brady and so OSU fans can hate on Urban Meyer and T.J. Barrett. It's a wonderful world we live in.
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Don't you have social workers and Christian outreaches to bad mouth.After all they are just going to manipulate those they are assisting later on.According to your stout dialed in reseach,God help the REZ
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Thanks for the personal attacks. You might want to fire your fact-checker, though.
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I’m always glad when we can chew over this question again. It’s both unanswerable and and ends in someone snapping and cussing someone out.
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I love JT and wonder what could have been if two years of his life weren't under the tutelage of Ed Warriner/Tim Beck.
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Yes, there was definitely nobody that was ever playing behind Barrett who went 11-0 as a starter including a NC.
Wait, I'm having trouble reading the tone here. Is the implication that actually Jones should've played over Barrett?
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I love JT and wonder what could have been if two years of his life weren't under the tutelage of Ed Warriner/Tim Beck.
So do I but when an ill informed troll calsl it hating when it was simply suggested at the time that rotating QB duties with future no 1s wasn't such a bad idea I'm not going just hang up and listen
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Wait, I'm having trouble reading the tone here. Is the implication that actually Jones should've played over Barrett?
11-0 as a starter, Big Ten Title, NC including convincing win over Saban's Bama in the semifinals, never lost once in 2015 in spite of having Warrecker calling plays like he's JT Barrett.
Jones got jobbed. Not done as dirty as Todd Boeckman, but OSU definitely runs the table in 15 if they commit to Jones instead of doing everything in their power to give the job back to JT.
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11-0 as a starter, Big Ten Title, NC including convincing win over Saban's Bama in the semifinals, never lost once in 2015 in spite of having Warrecker calling plays like he's JT Barrett.
Jones got jobbed. Not done as dirty as Todd Boeckman, but OSU definitely runs the table in 15 if they commit to Jones instead of doing everything in their power to give the job back to JT.
I recall people being happy when he was finally pulled from the lineup. Because he wasn’t very good. And to that point, our main sense of Barrett was as a top-5 Heisman guy. But if that’s the story we’re going with, is what it is.
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I recall people being happy when he was finally pulled from the lineup. Because he wasn’t very good. And to that point, our main sense of Barrett was as a top-5 Heisman guy. But if that’s the story we’re going with, is what it is.
People are idiots.
Cardale Jones had one of the greatest QB careers in OSU history. 11-0 with a NC? Who can look down their nose at that? Not Troy Smith. Not Braxton Miller. Not JT Barrett. Not Haskins, nor Fields, nor Krenzel, nor Hoying, nor Schlichter, nor... well you get the idea.
Does anyone really think they lose to MSU's backup QB with Jones behind center? Really? What evidence do you base that on?
Yet all we heard was how JT is this "great leader" while Cardale Jones had "character issues" even though JT Barrett was getting DUIs and having domestic instances involving police, while the worst thing that Cardale did was say that homework sucks while he was a freshman.
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And no, FTR I don't think that Fro actually gives a crap about JT Barrett. He is just a troll that likes to stir chit up. Best to talk around him rather than to him, imo. But instead people will predictably engage him for pages and pages on end, while the moron masterbates.
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I wonder what an objective person would say if asked which of the two was a better fit for Meyer's offense. I thought I was objective, since I don't care about OSU, Barrett, Jones, or Burrow, but apparently I'm a subjective troll.
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It's funny how much I learn about myself here.
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People are idiots.
Aren't you a "people"?
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while the moron masterbates.
Hey, do what you want in the privacy of your own computer, but don't talk down to yourself.
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Three consecutive posts in a thread illustrates that a person is posting faster than they are thinking.
Not a good sign.
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OSU RBs:
80s: Byars, Spencer, Workman, Snow
90s: George, Pearson, Wiley, R.Smith (or R.Harris)
00s: C.Wells, Pittman, Herron, Wells
10s: Elliott, Dobbins, Hyde, Weber
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Any edits?
For the 00s, I had to use some edge/cutoff guys, as I didn't want to include Lydell Ross and his 3.9 ypc average in there.
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Three consecutive posts in a thread illustrates that a person is posting faster than they are thinking.
Not a good sign.
Some of us think faster than others, friend.
Are OSU people incapable of staying on-topic?
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An intelligent person would collect their thoughts, and craft a singular response.
A person that lacks impulse control fires off three zingers in a row like Costanza, thinking that the latest one tops the previous one(s).
Wake me up when you get to "Jerk Store." Right now you are only about 100 zingers short of George's lamest one.
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Now you're just bored. Moveon.org
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People are idiots.
Cardale Jones had one of the greatest QB careers in OSU history. 11-0 with a NC? Who can look down their nose at that? Not Troy Smith. Not Braxton Miller. Not JT Barrett. Not Haskins, nor Fields, nor Krenzel, nor Hoying, nor Schlichter, nor... well you get the idea.
Does anyone really think they lose to MSU's backup QB with Jones behind center? Really? What evidence do you base that on?
Yet all we heard was how JT is this "great leader" while Cardale Jones had "character issues" even though JT Barrett was getting DUIs and having domestic instances involving police, while the worst thing that Cardale did was say that homework sucks while he was a freshman.
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And no, FTR I don't think that Fro actually gives a crap about JT Barrett. He is just a troll that likes to stir chit up. Best to talk around him rather than to him, imo. But instead people will predictably engage him for pages and pages on end, while the moron masterbates.
So, to the bolded part, the evidence is that he wasn't very good that year? Like really, he wasn't. I get that he was 11-0, but Barrett was 38-6, and people tell me that's nothing special. If Jones had been allowed to keep playing so-so ball and they lose somewhere, we'd get to hear about how there was a top-5 Heisman finisher languishing on the bench. Jones just had not been very good that year, MSU had a very good defense and Zeke was a damn mess the week before that game. (Also, there's no real way that "evidence" can be used in a game that didn't happen. It's all speculation, which tends to take on the tone and feelings of what we want)
So, I actually don't think OAM is trolling (well, at one point he wasn't, it's kinda degraded at this point) because he and OSU fans are engaging in a sort of classic sports debate between fans of a team and observers. Outsiders by and large see players for what they are and fans at times see them for what they are not (and then often build out a logical structure around that). Outsiders say "JT set all the record and led lots of very good teams/teams that did what very good teams do." OSU fans explain, no, we should've been better, but this record-setting player was simply not good enough, and the baseline is at worst record-setting players as good as him. It's not a level of entitlement, but a sort of ever-present expectation to be a little bit better.
And it happens with most fanbases. I've seen fans of a productive but inconsistent QB lament that the backup they bitched about ever signing didn't take over the job after one solid-isn start. In the moment, and after, you always believe you should've been a bit better, and perhaps if this guy had been better, you would've gotten there. It's just kind of a classic discussion. I mean, if I say on this board "JT Barrett was a pretty good offensive player and a great Buckeye" people get PISSED and we get in big fights. Literally saying a record-setting Buckeye was very good is considered trolling.
(A good example of this is the benching of Jones vs the benching of Hurts. Benching a 26-1 starter is considered a moment of genius, in part because it worked and in part because it's a drive-by fact. If someone doesn't blow a coverage, they probably lose that game because of a bad sack he took, and there's no myth there. Benching Jones was a move that took some chutzpah and certianly not sticking with the status quo, but it didn't end in a title and gets stacked down the line with the rest of the Barrett complex)
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Jones sucked because the OC sucked as a play caller, running the "JT Barrett" offense instead of tailoring it to Cardale's strengths like Tom Herman did. On top of that it was the "Tressel ball" version of the JT offense where they run on first and second down, then throw on third and long.
JT sucked that year too. He lost a home game vs MSU's backup QB, FFS.
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Jones sucked because the OC sucked as a play caller, running the "JT Barrett" offense instead of tailoring it to Cardale's strengths like Tom Herman did. On top of that it was the "Tressel ball" version of the JT offense where they run on first and second down, then throw on third and long.
JT sucked that year too. He lost a home game vs MSU's backup QB, FFS.
Yes. Refer to my above post about the fruitlessness of the debate this will set us off on.
I'm not in the mood to get cussed out over this and argue about games that didn't happen or decisions that weren't made. Everyone should've started over Barrett. Urbs is a dunce about who he picks to run his offenses after watching his practices and if he's been a little bit smarter about this singular thing, he would've gone to all three more playoffs and won maybe another title or two.
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People are idiots.
And no, FTR I don't think that Fro actually gives a crap about JT Barrett. He is just a troll that likes to stir chit up. Best to talk around him rather than to him, imo. But instead people will predictably engage him for pages and pages on end, while the moron masterbates.
Great Post - every...single...word
https://www.cfb51.com/big-ten/september-9-creek-of-consciousness-(irma-edition)/
or
https://www.cfb51.com/big-ten/2-ohio-state-(1-1)-vs-5-oklahoma-(2-0)-postgame/56/
Many stated the obvious then,too bad we don't have the '16 archives from the other board.But JT's diminishing skills were discussed there also and on the Buckeye Boards.In '14 before he got his leg broke JT put up very good numbers he could run well enough to keep the DBs honest.That injury effected either his mechanics or mind set or quite possibly both.But it was obvious to those who actually watched the games and/or attended practices those darts became dying quails sadly
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Yes. Refer to my above post about the fruitlessness of the debate this will set us off on.
I'm not in the mood to get cussed out over this and argue about games that didn't happen or decisions that weren't made. Everyone should've started over Barrett. Urbs is a dunce about who he picks to run his offenses after watching his practices and if he's been a little bit smarter about this singular thing, he would've gone to all three more playoffs and won maybe another title or two.
Nice. I think you just set some sort of world record for (logical fallacy:word) ratio.
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Great Post - every...single...word
https://www.cfb51.com/big-ten/september-9-creek-of-consciousness-(irma-edition)/
or
https://www.cfb51.com/big-ten/2-ohio-state-(1-1)-vs-5-oklahoma-(2-0)-postgame/56/
Many stated the obvious then,too bad we don't have the '16 archives from the other board.But JT's diminishing skills were discussed there also and on the Buckeye Boards.In '14 before he got his leg broke JT put up very good numbers he could run well enough to keep the DBs honest.That injury effected either his mechanics or mind set or quite possibly both.But it was obvious to those who actually watched the games and/or attended practices those darts became dying quails sadly
I'd be most interested in the 2015 and first half of 2016 to be honest. It felt like, in my memory, folks turned on him late in that 2016 run and the Clemson game put the nail in it. By 2017, people were punching bagging him. He also feeds my theory that being a long-term starting QB in CFB is often a bit of a curse, especially if you start well.
I keep waiting for someone to write a big story on those practices. I'm surprised I've not seen some players somewhere come out and definitively say the backup was better than the starter in 2016 or 2017. The only person I know who was there for those practices has never spoken up on the subject, but perhaps some day, I'll ask.
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Nice. I think you just set some sort of world record for (logical fallacy:word) ratio.
What's illogical there?
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Yes. Refer to my above post about the fruitlessness of the debate this will set us off on.
I'm not in the mood to get cussed out over this and argue about games that didn't happen or decisions that weren't made. Everyone should've started over Barrett.
Dabo figured it out took every thing away underneath to the tune of 31-0.For 2 seasons fans expressed concern about what eventually came to fruition.Did you actually watch the contest?The announcers questioned JT's arm strength/accuracy,as did the beer vendors and Cindy who hardly watches football.Yet after completely getting white washed URBZ turned around and gave the job right back to JT in spring camp after just 3 series.With Haskins/Burrow on the bench - that doesn't even pass the say it out loud test - say that out loud and see how it sounds.You really didn't have to be Pop Warner or Amos Alonzo Stagg to read the tea leaves.
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What's illogical there?
The insinuation that anything short of giving JT Barrett slow head means that you think that he is a terrible college QB, and that Urban Meyer is a "dunce" that doesn't know anything about football.
Come on man, you are better than that. JT Barret was a great College QB, but so was Jones, Miller, Haskins and Burrow.
OSU generally has more than one serviceable QB at a time. This ain't Wisconsin. Produce, or GTFO. "Next man up."
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Yup during the '17 season while Burrow recovered from a broken thumb everyone commented at the practices that Haskins had as strong an arm as Cardale.At the very least they should have been platooned
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The insinuation that anything short of giving JT Barrett slow head means that you think that he is a terrible college QB, and that Urban Meyer is a "dunce" that doesn't know anything about football.
Come on man, you are better than that. JT Barret was a great College QB, but so was Jones, Miller, Haskins and Burrow.
OSU generally has more than one serviceable QB at a time. This ain't Wisconsin. Produce, or GTFO. "Next man up."
FFS.
Your team started a great college QB for most of four years. Perhaps he was not the greatest college QB. Despite the excellence of one of the best coaches of all time, perhaps he was not the greatest picker between great QBs. Happy now?
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I like that the insider knows what me (the outsider) doesn't know, but the insider can't fathom the HC knows more than him. It's adorbs.
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FFS.
Your team started a great college QB for most of four years. Perhaps he was not the greatest college QB. Despite the excellence of one of the best coaches of all time, perhaps he was not the greatest picker between great QBs. Happy now?
He is indeed one of the greatest HCs of all time, but even the best HCs have strengths and weaknesses.
One of Urbans weaknesses was being loyal to a fault. In fact it eventually cost him his OSU gig.
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Dabo figured it out took every thing away underneath to the tune of 31-0.
Clemson didn’t really figure anything out. They just ran their normal defense.
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JT sucked that year too. He lost a home game vs MSU's backup QB, FFS.
See, here I am thinking he lost to MSU's defense.
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He is indeed one of the greatest HCs of all time, but even the best HCs have strengths and weaknesses.
One of Urbans weaknesses was being loyal to a fault. In fact it eventually cost him his OSU gig.
Or his offense relies on a running threat at QB. And he had one. So he played him.
GASP
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FFS.
Your team started a great college QB for most of four years. Perhaps he was not the greatest college QB. Despite the excellence of one of the best coaches of all time, perhaps he was not the greatest picker between great QBs. Happy now?
Well URBZ coddled Zack Smith for how long at FLA/tOSU?Then he called bullshit when Brett McMurphy brought it up,so things like that sort of blew up in his face and circled around and bit him in the ass occasionally.C'mon his tenure at FLA wasn't smooth sledding either.BABs people were pissed that an innovative coach just stood pat - like he couldn't even be bothered.Many surmised JT had his party pictures.For instance JT got opportunity as a RS FR yet Haskins was a Soph holding the clip board?Not cool
I like that the insider knows what me (the outsider) doesn't know, but the insider can't fathom the HC knows more than him. It's adorbs.
Put the pipe down Fauntleroy as everyone but you can acknowledge there was huge descrepency in the abilities of that QB roster.NFL scouts/coaches are full of shit?JT can't even stick to a practice squad the other two went in the 1st round but in your land of make believe that doesn't matter
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No, pure "arm talent" shouldn't be the deciding factor in which QB to start for a college team. Yes, it seems to be the only thing NFL teams care about.
No, these aren't one and the same situations. But I'm the blind one.
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Clemson didn’t really figure anything out. They just ran their normal defense.
Okay for the 3-4 weeks they had to prepare for the CFPO they changed nothing and watched no film - gotcha
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See the funny thing here is that I was never even "bench JT" guy. I realize that roster decisions are outside of my control, and as such I tend to just go with the flow.
Yet here, merely acknowledging that "bench JT" guy may have had a legitimate gripe or two way back when, all of a sudden that automatically means that I hate JT Barrett and think that I am smarter than Urban Meyer, who I believe to be a bad HC.
It is like Kindergarten up in here sometimes.
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He is indeed one of the greatest HCs of all time, but even the best HCs have strengths and weaknesses.
One of Urbans weaknesses was being loyal to a fault. In fact it eventually cost him his OSU gig.
That is probably most coaches.
It’s funny that earlier you said this isn’t Wisconsin in reference to this. Because I think UW Has had functionally similar debates like seven times since my time on campus. I think I’ve seen it at just about every SEC school. Now the main difference is that Ohio State does have considerably better back ups.
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But I'm the blind one.
Admitting you have a problem is the 1st step in fixing it.And perhaps some Prozac
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Now the main difference is that Ohio State does have considerably better back ups.
That seems to be the theme of the discussion.Specially when one broke most of the single season Big Ten Records in his only full season under center.And the other well he got sick of waiting transferred and won a NC.And it was brought up before they did either
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Okay for the 3-4 weeks they had to prepare for the CFPO they changed nothing and watched no film - gotcha
Never said the didn’t watch film. Heavily implied that I watch film.
i’m sure they threw on the film and said this Ohio State team is just a great matchup for us. They are not going to force us to change up much at all.
The Clemson defense works something like this. Drop a safety so you can get a box advantage. Press on the outside. Keep your coverages simple and hit them with exotic blitz packages in the box. Tell opponents that if they’re going to beat you it’s going to be over-the-top. That’s how they operate every day. It just so happened the Buckeyes didn’t have the tools to be that’s for of teamIt just so happened the buckeyes didn’t have the tools to beat that sort of team. Also, that Clemson defense was really really good and that OSU offense was not.
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Prolly because someone wasn't stretching the field.Do that and it makes defending so much easier
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It's quite amazing that I note a fanbase trashes a guy who was a great player, and they go off the deep end. Out of one side of their mouths they say they don't trash him, then say how limited he was and should have been replaced out of the other side of their mouths.
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Is that some kind of medical condition?
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It’s funny that earlier you said this isn’t Wisconsin in reference to this. Because I think UW Has had functionally similar debates like seven times since my time on campus. I think I’ve seen it at just about every SEC school. Now the main difference is that Ohio State does have considerably better back ups.
Well then if every fan base does it including ones that don't have adequate backups available, then it should come as no surprise that a shamelessly rabid fanbase who DOES have adequate backups available would also do it too.
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Also, that Clemson defense was really really good and that OSU offense was not.
Sigh/ they made the CFB POs,every single one of those OSU starters from that game are on NFL rosters today.Two of them Price and Elflein won Rimingtons in '16 & '17 respectively.There is one on that offense that isn't fancy a guess?
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Hmmm....maybe this will progress the conversation to more reasonable tides: What QB at Ohio State was better than Barrett BEFORE he played there?
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It's quite amazing that I note a fanbase trashes a guy who was a great player, and they go off the deep end. Out of one side of their mouths they say they don't trash him, then say how limited he was and should have been replaced out of the other side of their mouths.
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Is that some kind of medical condition?
When you're in whole stop digging you troll.Pointing out lack of productivety is not hating.Suggesting two number ones should start in front of guy who has been cut 14 times is obvious to every one but you.I really should not be shocked as you are the asshole that said those helping the less fortunate are only doing it to manipulate them later - you deplorable steaming pile.Really we never requested your services so just stay on an SEC board it's a win-win.Sans you this group has been together since at least 2004,go elsewhere You can be an anarchist snoflake all you want
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Hmmm....maybe this will progress the conversation to more reasonable tides: What QB at Ohio State was better than Barrett BEFORE he played there?
So now your dizzy because the tables have been turned?Go see the medicine man perhaps he can help - good day
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Well then if every fan base does it including ones that don't have adequate backups available, then it should come as no surprise that a shamelessly rabid fanbase who DOES have adequate backups available would also do it too.
It does not surprise me. The point was that it's unlikely all fanbases are correct that many of their better QBs are worse than the players backing them up. Thus it points to the idea that the thought process that leads us there should be self-interrogated thoroughly by all.
UW came an injury away from having another situation like that. Only it turned out, our golden boy was not quite ready (this is not a commentary on anything at OSU, merely a reality that our highly-rated guy was not ready)
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It does not surprise me. The point was that it's unlikely all fanbases are correct that many of their better QBs are worse than the players backing them up. Thus it points to the idea that the thought process that leads us there should be self-interrogated thoroughly by all.
UW came an injury away from having another situation like that. Only it turned out, our golden boy was not quite ready (this is not a commentary on anything at OSU, merely a reality that our highly-rated guy was not ready)
Yeah, that's why I don't typically involve myself in depth chart talk.
It was weird though how reluctant Urban was to play Jones and Haskins. Any excuse to pull Jones for Barrett was a good one in his mind. When Haskins was setting records, he was all like "yeah he's having a pretty good year, but we have this other guy named Tate Martell who we just have to get on the field. He's incredible. I've never seen such a gamer in all my years of coaching." Now obviously he preferred the running guy to the thrower, but it isn't like Jones was just a statue back there. He could run, and knock defenders out of the game, and improvise on the fly. In the NCG he tried the middle but it was plugged up, so he bounced it outside and picked up the first down.
The insinuation that Barrett was the undisputed best QB on a team that also had Jones, Haskins, Miller and Burrow is kind of a ridiculous one. Certainly debatable; particularly on a CFB message board in the offseason.
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So now your dizzy because the tables have been turned?Go see the medicine man perhaps he can help - good day
LOL....the irrational fanbase doubles and triples down on its irrationality, and tables have been turned?
An objective observer will see that I attempted to move on with RBs-by-decade talk and then again with comparing Barrett with all previous Buckeye QBs, but to no avail.
The name-calling and insults MUST continue!
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The insinuation that Barrett was the undisputed best QB on a team that also had Jones, Haskins, Miller and Burrow is kind of a ridiculous one. Certainly debatable; particularly on a CFB message board in the offseason.
Who made that argument? You can't possibly think that's what's been said here.
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It was weird though how reluctant Urban was to play Jones and Haskins.
Perhaps it's only weird to all of us who lacked all of the pertinent information. Is it not easy to assume the HC's decision was justified and perhaps easily so? Does anyone have more incentive for his team's success than him?
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3 more replies in succession, without a thought between them.
Round and round we go for pages and pages, while the moron masterbates.
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Yeah, that's why I don't typically involve myself in depth chart talk.
It was weird though how reluctant Urban was to play Jones and Haskins. Any excuse to pull Jones for Barrett was a good one in his mind. When Haskins was setting records, he was all like "yeah he's having a pretty good year, but we have this other guy named Tate Martell who we just have to get on the field. He's incredible. I've never seen such a gamer in all my years of coaching." Now obviously he preferred the running guy to the thrower, but it isn't like Jones was just a statue back there. He could run, and knock defenders out of the game, and improvise on the fly. In the NCG he tried the middle but it was plugged up, so he bounced it outside and picked up the first down.
The insinuation that Barrett was the undisputed best QB on a team that also had Jones, Haskins, Miller and Burrow is kind of a ridiculous one. Certainly debatable; particularly on a CFB message board in the offseason.
I can buy that. I certainly wouldn't call JT the undisputed best QB. The thing I can never get a read on is how good were players in the seasons where they didn't play. Not from an arguing about who should start element, but like were all the receivers actually raving about Burrow in that sophomore yea off practice, or did they generally know? Because sometimes you do and sometimes you don't. Just find that interesting.
I kinda know why Jones had some issues. Coaches like someone who works, puts in the time, knows all the stuff, and one notable anecdote I got from someone who worked there indicated Jones was not much of a worker.
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Man... What has this freaking message board turned into?
It used to be that every thread devolved into OSU vs Michigan fans sniping at each other. Now it's so lopsided that OSU fans are having to argue with UF fans?
:'(
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3 more replies in succession, without a thought between them.
Round and round we go for pages and pages, while the moron masterbates.
.I'm not clear if it is fetal alcohol syndrome or a nail gun to the forehead misfire?I'm to the point I almost feel sorry for him.Any way time for a different off season thread
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Thanks for the kind words on your way out.
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Why doesn't anyone give Oklahoma State's HC grief for keeping Barry Sanders on the bench before 1988? He'd have to be an idiot to do that!
Some people disagree with me because we have a genuine difference of opinion.
Other people disagree with me because they want to.
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Here's my effort at the 1980s OSU team:
QB - Schlichter, Tomczak
RB - Spencer, Byars, Workman, Gayle (if using Schlichter, he replaces Gayle)
WR/TE - Carter, Gary Williams, Graham, Olive, Anderson, TE- John Frank
pass-rush: Kumerow, Kacherski, Foster
INTs: White, Gordon, Brown, Bell, Spielman
K- O'Morrow
P - Tupa
KR- Snow
PR - Graham