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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: ELA on February 05, 2021, 03:04:56 PM
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Jesus, Bauer to the Dodgers. They might have something going there in the Ravine
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Well the Padres had caught up to them on paper. Can't be having that.
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Hopefully a ton of their games get picked up by national TV, so they are PM on MLB Network, because every game the dodgers and Padres play will be must see
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Who's gonna finish dead last in each division?
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Red Sox, Royals, Rangers?, Fish, Pirates, Rockies
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Orioles, Tigers, Rangers, Marlins, Pirates, Rockies
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game #1 of the 1968 World Series on MLB network starting now.
17K Gem by Bob Gibson
Curt Gowdy in the booth
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(https://copperfinger.typepad.com/.a/6a00e39827376b8833015390bf716f970b-400wi)
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Career OBP of 1.000
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High, Ball One! Catcher on his knees, and can't bring it down!
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Field of Dreams game set for Aug. 12, 2021 (mlb.com) (https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/mlb-at-field-of-dreams-game-date)
If I get a ticket I will distribute a clipboard through the stands encouraging MLB to enter Shoeless Joe into the Hall of Fame. MLB is trying to profit off Shoeless Joe in this game, while blocking him due to a "lifetime" suspension from the game. His lifetime ended in the 1950s. We need to get his admission into the Hall of Fame.
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1919 WS
Joe Jackson
.375 batting average
.394 OBP
.564 SLG (3 doubles and a HR)
no errors
He added to the likelihood the White Sox would win the WS by 12.5% (the highest by any hitter on either team)
The 5 other players leading CHI in at-bats all made it less likely they'd win it, by 35.5% cumulatively
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But he took their money, so he's penalized forever....
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But he took their money, so he's penalized forever....
like Pete Rose
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Pete Rose had (has?) a radical gambling problem.
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putting this baseball tidbit here...........
The Big Ten has finally released a 2021 baseball schedule, with several neutral-site games and no conference tournament.
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putting this baseball tidbit here...........
The Big Ten has finally released a 2021 baseball schedule, with several neutral-site games and no conference tournament.
College baseball for other conferences was back this afternoon. You love to see it!
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PING!
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They're both over priced and watered down products
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must be an Indians fan
that's good, cause the Reds suck
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Ain't nothin' wrong with an ice cold Bud Fat on a hot day.
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especially at the ballpark
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Never saw a Budweiser at a Brewers game obviously. Interestingly, Bud still runs a lot of Ads during Packers radio broadcasts and markets WI pretty heavily. Beer drinkers abound.
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I drank some Buds in the parking lot of Miller Park back in 2007 while tailgating
don't remember what I drank inside - probably high life or MGD
Craig Biggio did not get his 3,000th hit that night
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With the social distancing and limited tickets, Spring Training in the Cactus League has gone berzerker. Tickets sold out immediately nearly everywhere and my annual game-a-day spring break is no more.
Fans of teams with large fanbases can spend $400 on one spring training game, as you have to buy a group of 4 tickets @ $100 each on the secondary market. In AZ, these teams are the Cubs, Dodgers, DBacks, and Giants.
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My buddy with liver cancer is coming down for a game and with fees and such at an unsexy game, spent $158 to see the A's face the Reds.
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And I used to scoff at $40 lawn tickets at Giants games.......fuck this noise. Instead of 7+ games, I'm going to 1.
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Just go to a full capacity Rangers game
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Just go to a full capacity Rangers game
Funny thing is, TEX had the cheapest after-market tickets because it's way out (ie - 10 extra min) in Suprise (and they suck).
Here's my favorite discovery, though: either Rangers or Reds/Indians, I forget - you can buy 1 or 2 lawn tickets (instead of 4 only), but 2 lawn tickets costs $22 total (actually normal prices), but if you want 1, it'll be $36, please.
It's all broken.
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2nd yr in a row no cactus league for me. Sniffle.
Really miss it. Stopped going to Cubs, Giants years ago. Maryvale, Peoria, Surprise and Goodyear best bets still.
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I always make sure to get out to Goodyear each year, to pay my respects to the Ziz. I may walk over to MIL's park after a game starts to get a cheap ticket (if it exists this year).
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Well I went to my one game this spring break. It was 50 degrees and windy. Fun stuff. 7 inning game.
But I got my souvenir ball.
Hopefully next year, I can go to more than 1 game.
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Babe Ruth & Lou Gehrig with Father Flanagan (Boys Town) in Omaha on October 16, 1927.
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My Grandpa was there for that. I must have heard that story 89 times. I doubt I could make him out of that photo.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8shnJL9y7Ok
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8shnJL9y7Ok
We got that as a free promotion, when my dad renewed his sports illustrated subscription. We watched the hell out of that VHS
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I was watching some Bo Jackson vids and had forgotten the time he asked for time, it wasn't given, and still hit a HR. I'm sure it's been done by others, but that's only like the 73rd most amazing thing he did.
He was not human.
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With all of the seasons, games, innings, and pitches, baseball is a true testimony to "if it can possibly happen, it will."
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Nolan Ryan is the only pitcher to strike out the side on 9 pitches in each league.
Via Baseball-Reference.com
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Of course it's nearly 80 today...and a high of 32 for Opening Day on Thursday.
I'm getting my 2nd shot on Wednesday, and then taking Thursday off in case I feel blah, but mainly for Opening Day. Was hoping to be able to sit out on the deck, have a beer and listen, but I guess that will not be happening
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mid 40's here today and tomorrow
mid 50's Thursday, then turn up the heat. 70's and 80's through Thursday the 8th!
baseball weather
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Today is our last day below 90 for awhile...possibly for 7 months, lol.
I always take opening day off of work because it should be a national holiday. Sleep in, get some breakfast, and games start at 10am. It's often the first day of the school year I take off as well.
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Wow, alright.
https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1377459935353659392?s=19
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Mon/Tue were 65-71 deg,today it's 30 with an inch already and suppose to keep on all day.About 10 yrs back they canceled the home opening series here and moved it up to Miwaukee - that cozy mediteranean like setting.Sometimes Indians openers are colder than Browns December Schedule
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Didn't realize Miller Park is no more. That's a shame. One of those corporate sponsorships (like Ford Field) that worked.
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Happy Opening Day!!!!
Took the day off, because everyone should!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOOLX9R8Ncc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOOLX9R8Ncc)
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Happy Opening Day!!!!
Took the day off, because everyone should!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOOLX9R8Ncc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOOLX9R8Ncc)
Same here.
Granted it worked out because I got my 2nd Pfizer dose yesterday, although I feel pretty good. My arm is far less sore than #1, and just some mild fatigue.
Would have been nice to get the 78 degrees we had on Tuesday, rather than the snow and sub 30 wind chills we actually got.
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I know it's snowing out right now, not putting me in any mood to turn on baseball.
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Didn't realize Miller Park is no more. That's a shame. One of those corporate sponsorships (like Ford Field) that worked.
MillerCoors has slowly exited heavily marketing spend on sports and sponsorship. Naming rights specifically. Didn't even bid on extending rights after the 20yr deal neared expiration, it was quite appropriate especially considering Miller Brewing Co. Property is virtually adjacent to the ballpark property owned by the County. Always legend of a pipeline of beer from the Brewery to the ballpark. Not sure how long the deal will go in Denver.
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Miggy Cabrera hit the season's first or 2nd HR in the snow.
70 degrees and sunny in Denver, though. Dodgers pooping the bed w/ RISP.
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Nice comeback by Crew with 3 in the 9th and win in 10inn.
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With all of the seasons, games, innings, and pitches, baseball is a true testimony to "if it can possibly happen, it will."
The two opening day starters in Texas v KC didn't make it to the 2nd inn. 1st time ever on OD.
Meanwhile I don't recall a man sliding on a conventional HR since Rickey Henderson did it. Then today, Cabrera slides into second after homering in the snow.
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The Dodgers forfeited a run on a Bellinger HR, because Justin Turner is a weird dude.
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This is pretty cool
https://ultimateclassicrock.com/black-keys-patrick-carney-cleveland-indians/
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Happy Opening Day!!!!
Took the day off, because everyone should!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOOLX9R8Ncc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOOLX9R8Ncc)
Field of Dreams: Just about two - three miles from my wife's home place. About 22-miles from our place.
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Municipal Stadium?
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As everyone should know, that movie was largely filmed at Milwaukee Co Stadium where yours truly sold peanuts for several years. There was some similarities b/t the parks despite the former having a much smaller capacity.
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Municipal Stadium?
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The mid-90s Indians...the dynasty that never was.
How'd that Cubs dynasty turn out?
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about like the current Dodger's dynasty
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In my time watching baseball, I've seen 3 AL Central teams win a World Series, but the two who haven't (Indians/Tigers) were the two that had probably the longest championship windows. Just could never get it done.
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Flashback: Hank Aaron becomes the home run king On April 8, 1974, Aaron surpassed Babe Ruth as the all-time home run leader with his 715th homer.
https://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=23070311 (https://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=23070311)
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Casey Mize tonight is the first time I've been a joyful Tigers fan in 7 years?
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Looks like the Astros are having a bit of a COVID issue. 7 guys out now, including Altuve, Bregman, Alvarez and Maldonado.
Two guys in the starting lineup today making their MLB debuts, including OSU alum Ronnie Dawson.
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A lot of young Gators seem promising this year.
Jonathan India on CIN.
Buddy Reed on OAK.
And, of course, that stacked rotation we had of Singer, Puk, and Dunning.
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A lot of young Gators seem promising this year.
Jonathan India on CIN.
Buddy Reed on OAK.
And, of course, that stacked rotation we had of Singer, Puk, and Dunning.
Of course the Tigers nabbed Faedo out of that group. Last seen having an ok, but nothing special, AA season in 2019. Between a pandemic and Tommy John, making his next chance as a nearly 27 year old after missing two entire seasons.
Granted, the 2017 draft has been so underwhelming this far, there's really no "what if" guy
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I was OK with Cabrera's bad contract because (a) it wasn't my money and (b) I wanted to see him hit milestones in a Tigers uniform
But watching him become the worst player in baseball is painful. He is 0 for his last 23. His BA is down to .105. His advanced metrics are worse. On a night where the anemic Tigers offense scored 7 runs, he is 0-5 with 2 strikeouts and 2 GIDP. 3 times he has ended an inning at the plate, with a runner on 3rd. Teice with 1 out.
Oh, and for the "washed up" crowd, he's 6 years younger than Tom Brady, 3 years younger than Albert Pujols. Even though he's not juicing like Brady, I figured he'd at least be Pujols at this point in his career. A .250ish DH with limited power. Instead he's a .110 hitter with zero power.
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Last night AL pitcher Dylan Cease pitched an amazing game on the Red Legs, and then went 3 for 3 from the plate in his MLB hitting debut. White Sox need more pitcher - hitters.
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John Means' perfect game is merely a no hitter solely because of a batter reaching on a dropped third strike.
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Is that not a violation of "the unwritten rules of baseball"?
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Is that not a violation of "the unwritten rules of baseball"?
It happened in the third inning. Would have been interesting if it had been late in the game
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Albert Pujols has been designated for assignment by the Los Angeles Angels, the team announced Thursday.
Pujols is slashing .198/.250/.372 in 92 plate appearances this season with five home runs and 12 RBIs. For his career, the 10-time All-Star has slashed .298/.376/.545 with 667 home runs and 2,112 RBIs.
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'bout 5 years too late, lol
Let his career BA drop under .300. Oops.
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the checks cashed the last 5 years are a small condolence
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Wade Miley no hitter. Indians no hit twice in a few weeks.
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Might have to add no hitters as a fantasy category at this point, with how common they are now
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the Dodgers SUCK
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MLB is batting .230 and there's a no-hitter every week now. Something needs to be done.
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lower the mound
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lower the mound
Back it up a foot, deaden the ball, ban shifts
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The Dodgers scored 13 runs in two innings.....and proceeded to allow 11 runs in the following two. Jesus Christ.
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A little rubber match action?
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In AZ, it's known as the battle of Goodyear.
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I watch the Braves at times, and turned it off last night in the 7th. They looked hapless, can't hit. Can't pitch much either.
Then I see they came back and won in extra.
I don't care for the new rules on extras.
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I watch the Braves at times, and turned it off last night in the 7th. They looked hapless, can't hit. Can't pitch much either.
Then I see they came back and won in extra.
I don't care for the new rules on extras.
I like the 7 inning double headers. But they need to be true doubleheaders, with one ticket being good for admission to both.
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Well, that would benefit the customer and make them happy at the expense of profits....
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Well, that would benefit the customer and make them happy at the expense of profits....
During limited capacity, maybe. Once those restrictions are removed, I'm not as sure. Perhaps for good teams, late on the year, when there are sellouts. But otherwise, when Their are always tickets available at the gate, getting to see two 7 inning games, for the price of one, may be a selling point. And then, once you are in, what are you going to do during that 30 minute break? Hit the shops and concessions
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Whichever way puts an extra dollar in owners' pockets, that's the one that will occur.
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The biggest beneficiary is the players. For the owners the biggest benefit is a carrot in the next set of negotiations. You guys want to keep this, what are you willing to give up?
The only losers are the fans, without a seat at the table
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Between that and a certain work stoppage next spring, fans are certainly getting the wrong end of the stick.
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The biggest beneficiary is the players. For the owners the biggest benefit is a carrot in the next set of negotiations. You guys want to keep this, what are you willing to give up?
The only losers are the fans, without a seat at the table
I'm glad you said it. If I said it, it'd be wrong.
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9 years? BFD. Should be, Pujols has been in the Show since the Mariners were in the postseason.
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I saw some obscene stat that he has a hit off of like 15% of all players who have ever thrown a single pitch in the history of MLB
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Both leagues? check
Starters going only 5 innings? check
5-6 man rotations? check
ALL the relief pitchers? check
Long-ass career? check
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I'll still never forget being at a game and seeing Pujols moved to 2nd base for defensive purposes late in a game. He wasn't bad in his 2 chances. I dont recall exactly why Larussa or maybe Matheney by then made the switch.
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What is going on with the Twinkies?
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It's so nice to have Jason Bennetti doing White Sox games after suffering through Hawk for all those years
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are we still playing with that stupid rule change where if the game goes extra innings you start with a runner on 2nd base
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Yep. At least for this year
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Yep. At least for this year
getting more like soccer where they play and if no winner you get to kick goals
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They wanted to do HR derby in extra innings, but that's what innings 1-9 are for.
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getting more like soccer where they play and if no winner you get to kick goals
It's more like college football OT. It's still the same game, they just removed the part where you have to work to get into scoring position.
A HR derby would be more akin to soccer/hockey
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For the purists who don't like it, it's simply a mathematically-sound way to avoid 19 inning games. It's harmless.
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If baseball doesn't evolve, it's going to die.
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For the purists who don't like it, it's simply a mathematically-sound way to avoid 19 inning games. It's harmless.
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If baseball doesn't evolve, it's going to die.
its called baseball
dont like to have people monkey around with it
From 2016-2017, 39 extra-inning games went 16 innings or longer (3% of all 1,429 extra-inning games). From 2018-2019 there were none
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It's so nice to have Jason Bennetti doing White Sox games after suffering through Hawk for all those years
Hawk screwed up epically firing Tony Larussa. As a broadcaster he was a homer, but okay. What I didn't like was when I was listening to a neighbor in the stadium saying, "A can of corn." Okay on air but if your are 45, stop acting like a juvenile. Jason Bennetti has cerebral palsy as did one of my best friends in college. Jason is less afflicted. I keep in contact with my friend. I admire Jason Bennetti, and how he does his baseball broadcasts.
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its called baseball
dont like to have people monkey around with it
From 2016-2017, 39 extra-inning games went 16 innings or longer (3% of all 1,429 extra-inning games). From 2018-2019 there were none
You want it to stay exactly the same forever.
What a surprise.
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You want it to stay exactly the same forever.
What a surprise.
yes as a matter of fact
its the game I played and its the game my father played
the only reason for this rule comes from the nerwork's speeding up the game just like they did with the 40 sec rule in CFB
There is no other benefit from it and it
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Evolve or die.
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Evolve or die.
there is no evolving in baseball
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and no dying or crying
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The Tigers have 3 catchers in their starting lineup (one at DH and one making his first ever appearance at LF)
So things are going pretty well
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The Tigers have 3 catchers in their starting lineup (one at DH and one making his first ever appearance at LF)
So things are going pretty well
Who naturally hits a HR in his first AB
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there is no evolving in baseball
There's very little. And that's why it's dying. Kids don't play pickup baseball anymore. No one wants to watch a 4 hour game. It's a HR, K, or BB.
It keeps the old farts happy.
But then the old farts die and no one is there to replace their eyeballs.
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There's very little. And that's why it's dying. Kids don't play pickup baseball anymore. No one wants to watch a 4 hour game. It's a HR, K, or BB.
It keeps the old farts happy.
But then the old farts die and no one is there to replace their eyeballs.
the average length of a MLB game is just over 3 hours
there are over 14,000 High School and college teams with over 455,000 players in the US
this doesnt include the private leagues from little league through the professional minor leagues
The sport is not dying and should not be messed with
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lol, nothing you shared negated any of my points.
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The average game is over 3 hours.....then I guess we're lucky every game is average. Oh wait.....
I specify no one's playing pickup baseball and you cite little league numbers (which are decreasing every year). It hurts my head.
Baseball used to be #1. Boxing used to be #2. This isn't 1940 anymore.
MLB's average fan is easily the oldest of the 4 major sports, and it's aging further. Only 7% of MLB viewers are under 18. What do you think the NBA's is?
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Your kind of mindset is precisely how businesses fail. We were great at one time and now we're ignoring all of the tell-tale signs. Baseball is a cracking bridge and there are no infrastructure bills forthcoming because of your mindset.
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There's very little. And that's why it's dying. Kids don't play pickup baseball anymore. No one wants to watch a 4 hour game. It's a HR, K, or BB.
It keeps the old farts happy.
But then the old farts die and no one is there to replace their eyeballs.
the game evolved to the bold. That's part of the problem.
the DH, infield shifts, no stolen bases, not much small ball.
take the game back 40 years, it's a beautiful game
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http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=31463495
that's a high fastball
ANAHEIM, Calif. -- — Shohei Ohtani hit his major league-leading 13th home run and the Los Angeles Angels defeated the slumping Cleveland Indians 7-4 on Monday night after star outfielder Mike Trout was injured early.
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lol, nothing you shared negated any of my points.
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The average game is over 3 hours.....then I guess we're lucky every game is average. Oh wait.....
I specify no one's playing pickup baseball and you cite little league numbers (which are decreasing every year). It hurts my head.
Baseball used to be #1. Boxing used to be #2. This isn't 1940 anymore.
MLB's average fan is easily the oldest of the 4 major sports, and it's aging further. Only 7% of MLB viewers are under 18. What do you think the NBA's is?
MLB attendance stats just dont support your claim that baseball is dying look it up
and dont use 2020 or 2021 as an example as those years are dealing with covid
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MLB attendance stats just dont support your claim that baseball is dying look it up
and dont use 2020 or 2021 as an example as those years are dealing with covid
According to Wiki, here are the World Series TV ratings by year:
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Here's the Super Bowl:
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Here's the NBA finals:
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I'd venture to say that the NFL is gaining popularity, the NBA overall is holding serve (spike during the Bulls/Jordan era but moderately stable-ish since, and MLB is in a secular decline.
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longhorn? no
ostrich? yes
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You're sticking your head in the sand.
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The MLB local ratings I believe are still strong. It no longer exists as a national sport. The NBA pivoted to marketing stars a generation ago. A lot of people in their teens and 20s are more fans of players than teams. So their national numbers are strong. MLB doesn't have that. Fans watch their teams, but don't care about the sport as a whole.
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the game evolved to the bold. That's part of the problem.
the DH, infield shifts, no stolen bases, not much small ball.
take the game back 40 years, it's a beautiful game
What are the odds the game regresses back to how it was played 40 years ago? It's exaclty like conference realignment - you can't go backwards.
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The evolved part of the "3 true outcomes" style of play is that the maximized strategy for winning also happens to be the most boring to watch is speeding up baseball's demise.
Steps could be taken, but.......according to those like longhorn, it's some perfect sport on a pedestal that mustn't be altered in any way.
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not saying it's going back, just pointing out that evolution has caused some of the problems with the game
as you know....... evolution isn't always for the better
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But you're ignoring other things bad about previous eras.
We could still have whites only if the game didn't evolve.
We could still have the Yankees vs Dodgers every season if the game didn't evolve.
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Evolution of the game is inevitable and it's silly to be against anything that is inevitable. And the evolution you're calling bad is good for winning games. That's their job - those in charge. You win games, you get playoff revenue, you become a winning brand and you make more money that way. Except with all of the revenue sharing, winning is no longer needed in order to make money. MLB is The Producers. Which, in another way, isn't a good thing.
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as you know....... evolution isn't always for the better
This really is a great point.
In situations when you have influence over how things inevitably evolve, you do that - you influence it. No, MLB isn't perfect. It should be influenced to evolve for its own survival. But it's not. There are tiny, incremental changes that could lead us away from the boring method of playing ball, but they're not taking those measures.
Same as the constitution. No, it's not a perfect document. It should be ammended to evolve for its own survival.
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EVERYONE who is for stagnation is (on a long-enough timeline) shown to be wrong.
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I haven't watched an inning this year, which is too bad because I hear the Sox are really good.
Getting rid of the plate umpire would do a lot of good, I think.
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In a society obsessed with controversy, you want to get rid of the umpire.
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Perhaps you shouldn't apply to be the commissioner.
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If I was the Commish, the All Star Game would be played in Atlanta.
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But you're ignoring other things bad about previous eras.
We could still have whites only if the game didn't evolve.
We could still have the Yankees vs Dodgers every season if the game didn't evolve.
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Evolution of the game is inevitable and it's silly to be against anything that is inevitable. And the evolution you're calling bad is good for winning games. That's their job - those in charge. You win games, you get playoff revenue, you become a winning brand and you make more money that way. Except with all of the revenue sharing, winning is no longer needed in order to make money. MLB is The Producers. Which, in another way, isn't a good thing.
Blacks being allowed into MLB is not the game evolving but the fans evolving
not having the Yankees vs Dodgers is not the game evolving the game didnt change
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If I was the Commish, the All Star Game would be played in Atlanta.
Not helpful.
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lol, nothing you shared negated any of my points.
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The average game is over 3 hours.....then I guess we're lucky every game is average. Oh wait.....
I specify no one's playing pickup baseball and you cite little league numbers (which are decreasing every year). It hurts my head.
Baseball used to be #1. Boxing used to be #2. This isn't 1940 anymore.
MLB's average fan is easily the oldest of the 4 major sports, and it's aging further. Only 7% of MLB viewers are under 18. What do you think the NBA's is?
no different then Pro Football or even College Football
I guess you could watch a golf tournament oh wait that lasts for 4 days
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Not helpful.
City treasurer begs to differ.
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Blacks being allowed into MLB is not the game evolving but the fans evolving
not having the Yankees vs Dodgers is not the game evolving the game didnt change
The first one is semantics, as what is the game without anyone to watch it?
The second statement shows that you're out of your depth on the topic. Not unique for you.
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I guess you could watch a golf tournament oh wait that lasts for 4 days
Basically the only sport with fans older than MLB. You're amazing at this!
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City treasurer begs to differ.
Unless the city treasurer sees through the bullshit of making it harder for the poor to vote. Fewer polling places, more obstacles, it's embarrassing to pretend it's anything else.
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The problem is the game is both evolving and not evolving, in ways that is leading it to be more boring. Basketball added a 3 point shot, which is FAR more drastic than anything people are proposing to baseball. But then as guys became too good at it, they moved it back.
The analytics have made teams evolve how they play. Part of that was due to a live ball, and pitchers becoming so dominant you couldn't hope to piece together 3 consecutive hits off one, particularly with the shifts. You were better off going for one big hit. Simply putting the ball in play, rather than striking out, wasn't worth sacrificing one shot at a HR. Stealing a base to put a runner in scoring position wasn't worth the risk of him getting thrown out, versus the chance of him just standing on 1st when a HR was hit. You can't work counts to learn a pitcher, and hopefully get into a battle with him in the 6th, because almost no pitchers are allowed to face a lineup a third time. By the 6th inning, you are facing a parade of relievers who all throw 96+.
Much like basketball moved the 3 point line back, you can adjust things (not to speed up play), but to try to preserve the way the game is played, and de-incentivize the 3 true outcomes. Move the mound back a foot. Require 2 infielders on either side of 2nd, and positioned no farther back than the back of the dirt. Limit teams to using no more than 4 pitchers per game. Plus an additional arm for the 10th, 12th, 14th, etc... innings.
All those rules do is help re-incentivize a better brand of baseball.
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longhorn would roll over in his grave
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Baseball was invented with pitchers trying to throw a good pitch to hit. Maybe we should go back to that time, before all this competition got in the way.
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The MLB local ratings I believe are still strong. It no longer exists as a national sport. The NBA pivoted to marketing stars a generation ago. A lot of people in their teens and 20s are more fans of players than teams. So their national numbers are strong. MLB doesn't have that. Fans watch their teams, but don't care about the sport as a whole.
I think baseball has some issues, though.
Those aren't reflected as much in the stadium attendance numbers, of course. Heck, I grew up in Chicago. Most years, going to Wrigley Field is just an excuse to get drunk with a bunch of other people in a communal environment, while there happens to be a baseball game going on. It's always more fun when the Cubs win... But it's still plenty fun when the Cubs lose. But TV-wise, I'm not sure it really works as well.
Baseball has a serious problem with the 162-game season IMHO. We talk about the importance of the regular season in CFB and NCAABB, and how much individual games matter [and how much we want them to], but how does any individual game matter in a 162-game season? Why should I care, maybe absent a rivalry game, about any individual outcome?
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The average baseball fan couldn't pick Mike Trout out of a lineup....and he's the best player since Ted Williams or maybe even Ruth (we'll see where he ends up).
That might be all you need to know.
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The first one is semantics, as what is the game without anyone to watch it?
The second statement shows that you're out of your depth on the topic. Not unique for you.
In neither of your examples did the game change what is so hard here to understand
You telling me Im out of my depth on the topic is just another personal attack you make when youre losing the argument
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longhorn would roll over in his grave
Im not dead yet you egghead
at least wait for that before making such a stupid statement
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In neither of your examples did the game change what is so hard here to understand
You telling me Im out of my depth on the topic is just another personal attack you make when youre losing the argument
It's not a personal attack at all. You don't even know what you don't know. The only way to lose an argument with you is to even begin one. So I guess your'e right.
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Im not dead yet you egghead
at least wait for that before making such a stupid statement
See, HERE is a personal attack:
oh, I'm sorry. Your ideas are so antiquated that I assumed you were dead.
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:)
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The average baseball fan couldn't pick Mike Trout out of a lineup....and he's the best player since Ted Williams or maybe even Ruth (we'll see where he ends up).
That might be all you need to know.
I'm above average!!!
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Baseball has a serious problem with the 162-game season IMHO. We talk about the importance of the regular season in CFB and NCAABB, and how much individual games matter [and how much we want them to], but how does any individual game matter in a 162-game season? Why should I care, maybe absent a rivalry game, about any individual outcome?
That has always been the case. We discuss how the singular focus on CFP has diminished so much of the value of the regular season in football. For very different reasons, the same title or bust focus has done the same for baseball. If fans are struggling to find a reason to care between one of 12 games between a couple of 7-5 teams, good luck finding a reason to care about one of 162 games between a pair of 85 win teams.
Fans are increasingly championship or bust, and less and less able to enjoy the ride. I like sitting outside in July, having a beer, and listening to a "meaningless" Tigers game. I'm the exception.
The result has been tanking. The Royals were a pleasant exception this past offseason. They added a couple vets to go from being bad to mediocre. You almost never see that anymore. A handful of teams are competing. A lot of teams are tearing down, not even worried about getting good return. It's hard to care when your team is actively trying to be bad. But on the flipside, look at the White Sox under the previous regime. They were always trying to patch holes with free agents, make marginal upgrades, etc... They were never really bad, but they were never really a title contender either. Since 2006, they've only had one playoff appearance, but they've also only finished last in the division once. The Royals won a World Series 6 years ago...and have already had a pair of 100 loss seasons since.
NBA can survive it, because the superstars are so important, they can never really be on a bad team. Their presence alone makes a team decent. So nobody really pays attention to the tanking teams, when they are going through their tank, because the sport has a national following. Baseball can't. You have a generational talent and the most unique player of the modern era, playing together on a team that won't even make the playoffs.
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And tanking is akin to the 3 true outcomes.
The worst thing a team can do is be average. So there's a gap now, between the teams trying to win 90+ games and ones tanking and winning fewer than 75. Between 85-75 is purgatory. It's harder to go from 90 to 95 wins than it is from 85 to 90. So being average is basically slamming your head against a wall every year.
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It's another inefficiency that statistics has revealed for optimization of a franchise. But it does nothing to help viewership. Baseball's winning strategies are anti-viewrship. That's a problem. It is not something to ignore, sit on, and proclaim everything is fine.
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I get the idea that longhorn is one of those people that think declaring bankruptcy involves yelling the word.
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On point
https://twitter.com/matttomic/status/1394498097254965249?s=19
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I'm above average!!!
You couldn't find 5 other blonde baseball players with the right build. You'd have to throw him in with football players.
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And tanking is akin to the 3 true outcomes.
The worst thing a team can do is be average. So there's a gap now, between the teams trying to win 90+ games and ones tanking and winning fewer than 75. Between 85-75 is purgatory. It's harder to go from 90 to 95 wins than it is from 85 to 90. So being average is basically slamming your head against a wall every year.
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It's another inefficiency that statistics has revealed for optimization of a franchise. But it does nothing to help viewership. Baseball's winning strategies are anti-viewrship. That's a problem. It is not something to ignore, sit on, and proclaim everything is fine.
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I get the idea that longhorn is one of those people that think declaring bankruptcy involves yelling the word.
In what way is MLB's strategies anti-viewership?
Have you looked at the data on TV viewership
doesnt look like it
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The most anti-viewership part of modern baseball is taking 4 hours to play nine innings of baseball.
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The most anti-viewership part of modern baseball is taking 4 hours to play nine innings of baseball.
if that were the normal case you'd be right
average game is just over 3 hrs
just like football
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Golf is far more interesting to watch on TV than baseball.
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Golf is far more interesting to watch on TV than baseball.
Just like baseball I have to be watching a favorite team or in golf a player to be interested
I feel the same about all televised sports
except women's beach volleyball
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In what way is MLB's strategies anti-viewership?
Have you looked at the data on TV viewership
doesnt look like it
Because winning is better for viewship than losing.
Being alive for the postseason is better for viewership than being out of it.
Losing on purpose doesn't really bring the crowds.
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Just because you're looking at data doesn't mean it's the right data.
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Because winning is better for viewship than losing.
Being alive for the postseason is better for viewership than being out of it.
Losing on purpose doesn't really bring the crowds.
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Just because you're looking at data doesn't mean it's the right data.
and yet you dont look at data at all
point me to any data that points to baseball dying
its all in your mind
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Attendance is in an continuous 12 year slide.
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However long or short you want to argue a game is right now, games are getting longer.
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91% of Americans have heard of LeBron James
88% of Americans have heard of Tom Brady
41% of Americans have heard of Mike Trout.
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In game pace is the biggest wart on the game. Pitchers and batters fidgeting doing anything but playing the game. It has badly trickled into LL too I've observed. It ruins golf and it ruins baseball. Enforce pace through whatever means. MiLB pitch clock helps, noticeably. I can live w 3outcome baseball as I think it will change faster than we think.
Btw football has this problem too though for entirely different reasons. The administration and presentation of a football game is tedious and it has become the least attractive sporting event to attend by a country mile. I have more fun at the horse track.
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You'd have to be nuts to burn a whole summer watching 162 games. Even if your team is awesome, you will suffer through at least 60 losses, and they are quite unlikely to even make the World Series, let alone win it.
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The season really is soap opera viewing. Day after day after day. Standings, box scores, I don't do fantasy. When you're into it and your team is 'in it' it is quite emotionally taxing in Aug/Sept. It's quite delightful. Outside of times when I'm off the grid fishing in Canada, I don't remember too many times going to bed without knowing the outcome of a Brewers game.
several flips ago, I meant to comment related to TV ratings. I consume portions of baseball games (well over 100) during the season, either radio, or TV, but I probably catch fewer than 4 national broadcasts (Fox, ESPN) in the regular season. I am very typical of the actual consumer of baseball. We're not watching 'marquee' game of the week. Why would I, when I can watch any *game, any night of the week. The local 9 regularly wins the ratings night in many local markets. I don't need or even want to watch a game on Saturday afternoon b/t April-Sept. This isn't 1975.
*excepting the draconian TV blackouts based on location.
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Turnbull with the 5th No No of the season. Guy looked gassed at 1st in 9th. Impressive finish. 7 is the record in one season, four different times. Tigers highlight!
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Turnbull with the 5th No No of the season. Guy looked gassed at 1st in 9th. Impressive finish. 7 is the record in one season, four different times. Tigers highlight!
Of course it was on the west coast and I went to bed in the 4th
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Of course it was on the west coast and I went to bed in the 4th
Millennial! :96:
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The average BA this year is like .235........there's going to be 10+ no-hitters this year.
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Millennial! :96:
Nah. I went to bed because I have a job
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I quit watching in the mid 20-ots after the Indians had a really good season where I watched quite a few games, only to see them pee down their leg vs the Red Sox in the playoffs. I said "never again."
No regrets. Summers up north are short. Might as well enjoy every minute of it outdoors, and away from the television.
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I quit watching in the mid 20-ots after the Indians had a really good season where I watched quite a few games, only to see them pee down their leg vs the Red Sox in the playoffs. I said "never again."
No regrets. Summers up north are short. Might as well enjoy every minute of it outdoors, and away from the television.
I have the MLB radio app. I listen on my deck with a beer more often than I watch on tv
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It's the best cheap app I've bought. LOVE listening to a game while doing something else....or doing nothing else.
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I probably won't even bother picking a new team after the Indians change their name. Maybe if Vegas gets a team I might pretend to care a little, but probably not. I like to go to a game from time to time, but it doesn't have to be MLB. The local university of a minor league team will suffice.
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I would pay 10x for the app.
Meanwhile in Arlington...
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Just like baseball I have to be watching a favorite team or in golf a player to be interested
I feel the same about all televised sports
except women's beach volleyball
oh, you have your fav volleyball players for each match you watch. It's easy to pick them out.
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However long or short you want to argue a game is right now, games are getting longer.
unless they're no hitters
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oh, you have your fav volleyball players for each match you watch. It's easy to pick them out.
:72:
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I probably won't even bother picking a new team after the Indians change their name. Maybe if Vegas gets a team I might pretend to care a little, but probably not. I like to go to a game from time to time, but it doesn't have to be MLB. The local university of a minor league team will suffice.
What replacement nickname do you favor for the Cleveland Baseball Team?
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the Cleveland Rocks
https://youtu.be/oKDjis1fg8E
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What replacement nickname do you favor for the Cleveland Baseball Team?
The Cleveland Steamers.
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the Cleveland Rocks
https://youtu.be/oKDjis1fg8E
My HS was the Rocks.
Technically they were the Shamrocks, but if you used the full name you'd be promptly corrected that "Rocks" was in fact the preferred nomenclature.
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no one ever says, "Kick him in the shamrocks"
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The strangest part was that they used a three leafed clover instead of the more common (mascot-wise) four leafed clover.
I have found clovers with up to seven leaves before. I found a five leafed clover about a month ago.
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Cleveland LeBrons
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Yes, it is quite likely that they will replace a fictional person from a somewhat protected class with an actual person from an ultra protected class.
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'Indians' isn't a person.
LeBron is a person. And it's assuming he'd approve.
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You know....consent.
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'Indians' is also a misnomer and is endlessly stupid. Like the Utah Jazz or LA Lakers, but more so.
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The Lakers and Jazz moved from one city where their name made perfect sense to another city where it didn't, which isn't the case at all with the Indians.
The name referenced the nickname "Indians" that was applied to the Cleveland Spiders (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Spiders) baseball club during the time when Louis Sockalexis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Sockalexis), a Native American (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States), played in Cleveland (1897–99).
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I used to think the Indians would go back in their history and return to being the "Naps." How about, the "Rock 'n Rollers?" "There is local hx with "Steamers," and I like that name, too.
If I owned the Cleveland Ball Club, having made the decision to change the name I would gather together five or six names suggested by fans, which would probably not be based on the most popularly suggested names, but the nicknames I liked and could tolerate.
I would set up an election with actual ticket buying fans as voters placing their ballots in a bin at the stadium (how is that idea for promoting ticket sales?). If there was no a majority winner I'd take the top two and run a second election to get a majority vote. I'd run the first election after the 2021 All Star break to season-end. If a second election were needed, I would run it in 2022 from opening day to some time before the All Star break.
At a Mid-Season 2022 game I would announce the winner pregame and also rewire the uniforms on a Sunday game, or maybe a July 4 holiday game. I would debut the uniforms only when the team runs onto the field for the start of the game.
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This Tigers-Brewers game is the problem with the Major League game today. Aside from one bases clearing double, it has simply been a parade of solo home runs and strikeouts.
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The Lakers and Jazz moved from one city where their name made perfect sense to another city where it didn't, which isn't the case at all with the Indians.
The name referenced the nickname "Indians" that was applied to the Cleveland Spiders (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Spiders) baseball club during the time when Louis Sockalexis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Sockalexis), a Native American (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States), played in Cleveland (1897–99).
My point was that none of the names are correctly location-specific. Indians live in Asia.
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This Tigers-Brewers game is the problem with the Major League game today. Aside from one bases clearing double, it has simply been a parade of solo home runs and strikeouts.
I honestly predict that if baseball exists in 50 years, it'll be a 9 inning game of HR derby, except the pitcher will be trying to get the batter out. All non-HRs are outs. A game will last under an hour.
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honestly?
I watched the Angel's game last night. Crushed the Giants
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Go Cleveland Spiders!
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honestly?
I watched the Angel's game last night. Crushed the Giants
I can't figure out how either of those teams is doing what they are doing this year. Their records should be reversed.
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well, the Angels need to find some pitching.
Dead last in ERA
getting Trout back on the field would also help
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Through 7, all 4 runs in this Tigers-White Sox game are courtesy of solo HRs. Welcome to baseball in 2021
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I found this article interesting. It is speculating about the location and timing of the next Comiskey Park. There were some improvements with the existing ball park from the old. So many more food options. Lower deck seating is nice. Improved restrooms. Clubhouse seating is nice. However, distance from the field, and pitch of the steps and seating for those in the upper deck is disadvantageous. At any rate the existing lease ends in 2029, and currently the ball park is the 9th oldest in MLB. So I am guessing there will be a serious look in coming years at making a move. And with decreasing population in the Midwest it concerns me. But, that said there is a fan base in the Chicago area and this article suggests one possible move.
Could the Chicago White Sox make a move to Arlington Park? (dailyherald.com) (https://www.dailyherald.com/news/20210605/could-the-chicago-white-sox-make-a-move-to-arlington-park?utm_campaign=snd-autopilot&fbclid=IwAR2jdeJ5HoKapuYT4kJVPnATJO3u4ZNz1ItxVB092BzlV9XgG072Zfi3WN8)
Any thoughts?
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Yeah, the ballpark is fine, but it had the disadvantage of being one of the last parks built before Camden, and ushered in the renaissance, so it looks extremely outdated...even though the renovations have helped some.
I'm almost weirded out by a lack of open concourses now.
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The Bears should have built their stadium on the footprint of old Comiskey, instead of getting roped into the Mistake by the Lake. Imagine Lucas Oil Stadium next to New Comiskey.
The last 3 ballparks built before Camden (The Trop, New Comiskey, and the Toronto SkyDome) are all on the cutting board, in one way or another. IMHO the Comiskey site is vastly superior to Arlington Heights (hello El!), but I'm not Jerry Reinsdorf.
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The Bears should have built their stadium on the footprint of old Comiskey, instead of getting roped into the Mistake by the Lake. Imagine Lucas Oil Stadium next to New Comiskey.
I hate what they did to Soldier Field. Such a beautiful structure before the alien spaceship landed on top of it :96:
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I hate what they did to Soldier Field. Such a beautiful structure before the alien spaceship landed on top of it :96:
Yeah, either lean into the classic look, or build something new. They just took something old, made it ugly, without sufficient upgrades
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The Bears should have built their stadium on the footprint of old Comiskey, instead of getting roped into the Mistake by the Lake. Imagine Lucas Oil Stadium next to New Comiskey.
The last 3 ballparks built before Camden (The Trop, New Comiskey, and the Toronto SkyDome) are all on the cutting board, in one way or another. IMHO the Comiskey site is vastly superior to Arlington Heights (hello El!), but I'm not Jerry Reinsdorf.
Lots of connected people made lots of $$$ on that debacle.
Arlington is on the NW Metra Line. The station is on the premises. It's between Arlington downtown and Palatine.
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Arlington would be more convenient for me. But it would take away some of the tradition. Not sure why the present neighborhood did not become more of a dining and entertainment area the past 30 years after the present facility was built.
What is in Palatine that would have a large area open to development?
Is the horse track in Arlington doomed?
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Bears are placing dibs on the Arlington horse track. Chicago Bears Make Significant Announcement About Potential Stadium Move (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/chicago-bears-make-significant-announcement-about-potential-stadium-move/ar-AAL9OJd?ocid=msedgntp) If you read the entire article, it really makes no economic sense.
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It's only mid-June and the Tigers have already been involved in 10 sweeps (5 for, 5 against). None are 2 gamers, one is a 4 gamer. I wonder what the record for a season is, but that has to be over half of their series thus far being sweeps
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(https://scontent.ffod1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-0/s600x600/203667796_4142809055775767_5170091914275378769_n.png?_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=ZIEIPtIb5XMAX_3stdJ&_nc_ht=scontent.ffod1-1.fna&tp=30&oh=722ea88a284ae78cd7602a548bbe3754&oe=60D7EF14)
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"I thought it was a very supportive gesture (refusing to sign a petition that threatened a boycott if Jackie Robinson joined the team), and very instinctive on Pee Wee's part. You shouldn't forget that Pee Wee was the captain, and he led the way. When Jack first entered (the Major Leagues), there were still a lot of people who didn't know if it was the right thing to do. Pee Wee used all of his leadership skills and sensitivity to bring the team together... Pee Wee was more than a friend. Pee Wee was a good man." - Rachel Robinson (Jackie Robinson's Wife) in Jet (September 13, 1999)
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NEW YORK -- — Shohei Ohtani pounded his hardest-hit home run of the season, José Suarez pitched 5 1/3 innings of one-run relief after Dylan Bundy threw up on the mound because of heat exhaustion and the Los Angeles Angels beat the troubled New York Yankees 5-3 Monday night.
Ohtani was 0 for 9 in his previous appearances at Yankee Stadium, all three years ago. The two-way sensation connected for a 117.2 mph drive to right off Michael King (0-4) in a two-run first that also included Jared Walsh's RBI double.
The home run was the major league-leading 26th for Ohtani, who is slated to pitch Wednesday night. He tied Toronto's Vladimir Guerrero Jr. for the major league lead, one ahead of San Diego's Fernando Tatis Jr.
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No Mike Trout in the lineup to protect Ohtani
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Maybe if they can find more hitters who know how to pitch, they'd have something. It is staggering how much talent they've wasted in Anaheim, searching for some pitching
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agreed
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agreed
At what point do you trade a young bat for a young pitcher under team control?
Jo Adell for John Means'?
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immediately, especially if Trout is bringing his bat back to the lineup
it's painfully obvious that pitching is the weak link and the problem
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Maybe if they can find more hitters who know how to pitch, they'd have something. It is staggering how much talent they've wasted in Anaheim, searching for some pitching
That is why I'm surprised that A) they got Ohtani, and B) Trout signed his monster extension with them. They've done nothing to help those guys, and in a crappy AL West to boot.
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Ohtani wanted to play both ways and be on the west coast + large market
not sure why Trout stayed
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Mantle and Aaron, 1957 World Series
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It's nice having an entertaining product on the diamond again.
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Mantle and Aaron, 1957 World Series
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What a great high def photo! Looks like it was taken yesterday.
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It's nice having an entertaining product on the diamond again.
I presume you are referring to "the catch of the night," the "catch of the decade." White Sox' Billy Hamilton channels Superman for catch of the year | RSN (nbcsports.com) (https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/white-sox/white-sox-billy-hamilton-channels-superman-catch-year)
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I guess best case scenario is to see your starting pitching and offense figuring it out, but a bullpen being so bad, you get another high pick next year.
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ELA, I thought about you when a podcast I listen to mentioned Miggy's doing well lately:
He's not slugging, but he's hitting .321 in the past month. He's on the cusp of 3,000 hits and 500 HRs.
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ELA, I thought about you when a podcast I listen to mentioned Miggy's doing well lately:
He's not slugging, but he's hitting .321 in the past month. He's on the cusp of 3,000 hits and 500 HRs.
Yeah, probably the best version we've seen of him in a couple years. Everyone knew he'd fall off on the back end of the contract, but could still DH. But he and Pujols have proven two things that were mis-calculated about the post-steroid era. #1, just HOW MUCH guys would fall off without steroids, and #2, the diminished care about numbers chases.
I think the Tigers probably figured he'd still be a .300ish hitter with 15ish HRs at this point in his career. He's not. And I think they figured he'd attract eyeballs in terms of ticket sales and media attention as he chased numbers. But those things are largely ignored compared to even 15 years ago
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I know we've got some Texas baseball fans here.
Not a fan of taking a HS righty at #3, but it seems like getting Ty Madden late in the round is a steal. A lot of places had him as the #3 college arm in the draft. What is Detroit getting?
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It's nice having an entertaining product on the diamond again.
It's also nice to know that there's a team that the worst club in the AL can sweep.
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It's also nice to know that there's a team that the worst club in the AL can sweep.
Worst?
Biggest disappointment for sure. Far from the worst
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I know we've got some Texas baseball fans here.
Not a fan of taking a HS righty at #3, but it seems like getting Ty Madden late in the round is a steal. A lot of places had him as the #3 college arm in the draft. What is Detroit getting?
The MLB team that takes a high school player in the 1st or 2nd round is asking for trouble. I know you may not be old enough to remember, but I recall the absolute biggest hype for this guy: David Clyde - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Clyde) in the 1970s when I was a superfan in my teens. David Clyde 18-years old out of high school was going to be the greatest pitcher, probably ever.
David Clyde spent very little time in minor league baseball - let me check this attached article to verify my ancient memories - he was 18-years, 2-months 5-days old in his first MLB start. I guess he started out in MLB out of high school maybe. Lifetime ERA of 4.63. W-L of 18-33. Career ended at age 26 with arm trouble.
He says his most memorable game was his first game, a win. Things went downhill afterwards.
He was a Texas guy, so your post seems spot-on.
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At what point do you trade a young bat for a young pitcher under team control?
Jo Adell for John Means'?
The Los Angeles Angels made unique draft history this week: They made 20 picks in the 20-round draft and selected 20 pitchers.
The only other team to select all pitchers in a draft was the Miami Marlins a year ago, but MLB shortened that draft to just five rounds due to the COVID-19 pandemic.
Miami University right-hander Sam Bachman was the Angels' first-round pick -- one of 19 college pitchers they selected. The only high school selection was 12th-round pick Mason Albright, from the IMG Academy in Florida.
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The Los Angeles Angels made unique draft history this week: They made 20 picks in the 20-round draft and selected 20 pitchers.
The only other team to select all pitchers in a draft was the Miami Marlins a year ago, but MLB shortened that draft to just five rounds due to the COVID-19 pandemic.
Miami University right-hander Sam Bachman was the Angels' first-round pick -- one of 19 college pitchers they selected. The only high school selection was 12th-round pick Mason Albright, from the IMG Academy in Florida.
Yeah I saw MSU's lone draftee was taken by the Angels. Then discovered he was the 17th pitcher they took, so not loving his chances, but I think he was a steal that late. Everyone assumed he was a Day 2 pick, and he fell beyond the middle of Day 3
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all 20 of them have a chance with their rotation and pen
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Would have preferred Tribe or Spiders
https://twitter.com/sportingnews/status/1418566954546302983?s=19
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That's a fair backstory to it. Would've preferred Naps, or Spiders.
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I wonder how much longer Chicago's AL team will be the White Sox.
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I wonder when someone will be offended by Guardians?
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Meh.
I don't like it. I don't like generic, positive mascots that don't cause the same image in everyone's minds.
Like here, draw me a "National." 10 different people would draw 10 different things.
Guardians.
Sentinels.
Nationals.
Meh.
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It's also nice to know that there's a team that the worst club in the AL can sweep.
And then lose 5 of 6 from.
Jason Hanson with the clutch FG today to beat the Vikings 17-14
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I wonder when someone will be offended by Guardians?
I am already offended by Guardians.
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Depends what they're guarding....
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I am already offended by Guardians.
I was just thinking the same thing
why not change the name to Bodyguards
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I was just thinking the same thing
why not change the name to Bodyguards
Kevin Costner does love baseball
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8sh1z1nTG0
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Now the Edmonton Eskimos have become the Edmonton Elks, all of a sudden.
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https://twitter.com/TheBlazingKing_/status/1425288023231459330?s=19
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Worth another look. A dream ending walk-off homerun for the win, bottom of the 9th, at the Field of Dreams! An amazing back and forth 9th inning and then a walk-off cornshot.
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQmPaGe95pY) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQmPaGe95pY)(65) WILD FINISH IN IOWA! Judge, Stanton, and Tim Anderson all go deep in INSANE 9th inning! - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqQwFlCkcG4&t=24s)
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missed the game because of golf league. There were a couple league members missing because they attended the game
good stuff for the state of Iowa
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This is the most remarkable field entrance I have seen sports teams make.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1425962177484267520
Not to mention a most electrifying ending.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1426016610863783941
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Hopefully it's an annual thing, but no more. Don't ruin it like the NHL did with their outdoor games
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Hopefully it's an annual thing, but no more. Don't ruin it like the NHL did with their outdoor games
In the hour before the game MLB commissioner said it would be played next year but they were not prepared to announce teams. MLB will disassemble the stadium and erect it again next year. One of our locals said an MLB official was speculating it could be Cubs-Cardinals.
Being a White Sox fan and fan of the movie, I'd like to see the White Sox invest in the ballpark call it their alternate home stadium, schedule a game in Dyersville once a year, rotate visiting teams, and lobby to put Shoeless Joe in the Hall, as MLB is profiting off his story.
There are extensive articles in the local paper today. Tim Anderson was quoted as saying he might watch the movie. I had the feeling from player and club management interviews that most had already seen it.
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I thought a "walk-off corn shot" was an XXX term.
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I thought Costner was being weird and grandstanding, waiting for a big applause until the players came out...and then it was like "WOOOOO WOWW YESSS"
That was pretty cool.
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Iowa, the tall corn state
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Is it as high as an elephant's eye?
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yes sir
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I thought a "walk-off corn shot" was an XXX term.
Now that's funny.
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Iowa, the tall corn state
I visited with my only remaining uncle today. He talked about he and his (late) wife riding their Honda Gold Wings through Iowa and the corn being right up to the edge of the interstate and way over their heads.
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Diamondbacks rookie throws a no no in his first mlb start. Been a long time since that's happened. I think some dude did it in 50s.
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Took the kids to our first MLB game since August of 2019. It was nice to have fun. A guy who caught a foul ball across the aisle from us handed it to one of my kids. That's a close I've ever come to catching one myself. So that was fun. We picked the night because it was a fireworks night. We got lucky because the Friday night game got rained out, so our tickets became the second half of a double header. I'll take as many innings as I can get, but when you have small children, and you have to get through the game, 7 innings is very nice
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As of yesterday, the DBacks would have to win their last 43 games to finish at .500.
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the DBags
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the DBags
I'm mad that I've seen them win a WS, and the Marlins win 2. Yet the Tigers' only one came when I was 6 months old
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baseball, like life, isn't fair
but, there's still no crying in baseball
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The White Sox have never had a consistent identity as far as their uniforms go. That logo harkens back to the 1919 "Black Sox." I like this logo that was around in the '50s-'60s, and may be the official logo today for all I know.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/Chicago_White_Sox.svg/72px-Chicago_White_Sox.svg.png)
Last baseball team I played on was named the White Sox and that was our logo, albeit in navy blue rather than black.
I liked the powder blue road unis that the Sox of the '60s wore.
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Jack Morris seems done in the Tigers booth. Good riddance
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Da Braves seem to have become "woke". They went 17 straight alternating Ws and Ls.
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What's with the Rays attendance woes?
Not only are they in first place but the city is working on a hat trick, with a Super Bowl and a Stanley Cup already in this calendar year.
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Has anyone ever seen a season by a player like Ohtani is having? Babe Ruth might be closest.
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Has anyone ever seen a season by a player like Ohtani is having? Babe Ruth might be closest.
Babe Ruth 1919 had a 2.97 ERA and hit 29 HRs
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It's fantastic. Must see tv
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Has anyone ever seen a season by a player like Ohtani is having? Babe Ruth might be closest.
It's the greatest combination of expert pitching and power hitting that MLB has ever seen.
His BA isn't very good though.
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.272 is north of the Mendoza line
25 doubles and 5 triples
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Historically low league .BA this season.
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Re the earlier comparison to Ruth, the Babe's career B.A. was something like .342, IIRC.
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Shohei Ohtani is your new Angel's club leader, surpassing Reggie Jackson's 1982 total (39) for the most home runs in a single season by a left-hander.
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The Brewers score a run on a SF, only the output wasn't more than a few paces from the Brewers dugout. Nats catcher napping and nobody covered the plate. Wong won the foot race.
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Re the earlier comparison to Ruth, the Babe's career B.A. was something like .342, IIRC.
You're completely ignoring the context. This year is akin to 1968 - the year of the pitcher, when it comes to batting averages.
.270 is the new .300.
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Ohtani is having the best pitching+hitting year ever. Ruth was more a pitcher THEN a hitter.......and there were some great hitting-pitchers in the 50s and 60s, but with relatively low plate appearances.
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Ohatni's 2021 season is basically unprecedented.
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You're completely ignoring the context. This year is akin to 1968 - the year of the pitcher, when it comes to batting averages.
.270 is the new .300.
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Ohtani is having the best pitching+hitting year ever. Ruth was more a pitcher THEN a hitter.......and there were some great hitting-pitchers in the 50s and 60s, but with relatively low plate appearances.
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Ohatni's 2021 season is basically unprecedented.
I'm was not trying to downgrade Ohatni's year. It's an unprecendented combo of pitching and power hitting.
So Ohatni is hitting the equivalent of .300.
But the Babe hit over .340 for his entire career.
Just saying.
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How are the Braves getting a pass on the American Indian themed name?
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How are the Braves getting a pass on the American Indian themed name?
Is "Indians" the problem or is it Chief Wahoo?
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Both?
The Braves can claim it's not Native-American-centric. Anyone can be a group of braves. The tomahawk is an object, not a people. Yada-yada-yada.
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It could be both. Maybe "Indians" is a problem. I don't think it should be, where as I think "Redskins" should be a problem. But if sizeable numbers of American Indians think that a team named "Indians," then it behooves the Cleveland American League baseball franchise to change its name.
I see "Indians" the way I see "Celtics" or "Fighting Irish." Historically or culturally inaccurate in ways, but not necessarily offensive.
For me, "Braves" is not offensive either, anymore than "Warriors" is. But Chief Wahoo and the tomahawk chop are problematic.
I'm supposedly 1/32 Cherokee, but I don't identify as being an American Indian and I don't claim to see it through their eyes.
To me, naming teams after American Indians generically or tribes specifically is less of a problem than naming them after criminals ("Outlaws," "Renegades") or mythical/religious evil entities ("Demons," "Devils") or people who fought for the purpose of dissolving the country ("Rebels").
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I'm in the middle of Piute country, and they call themselves "Indians."
There is a HS on Navajo Nation called the "Redskins."
Just a bunch of woke Whites being offended on behalf of others who aren't.
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I think that this predates wokeness.
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I'm was not trying to downgrade Ohatni's year. It's an unprecendented combo of pitching and power hitting.
So Ohatni is hitting the equivalent of .300.
But the Babe hit over .340 for his entire career.
Just saying.
but, the Babe din't pitch for his entire career
we'll see about the youngster
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Separate from any wokeness, "Indians" is what happens when idiocy becomes tradition. It's embarrassing. The only Indians in North America came from India.
I'd like the name to die because it's radically incorrect.
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names are simply names, don't mean much to me
OrangeAfroMan might not be accurate today, but it's a label. Doesn't mean it's correct
if someone someone refers to me as FearlessP, is it a thing?
snowflake is just a word, if you want to take offense, that's on you
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Separate from any wokeness, "Indians" is what happens when idiocy becomes tradition. It's embarrassing. The only Indians in North America came from India.
I'd like the name to die because it's radically incorrect.
I get your point.
OTOH, the name "Indian" is not what the natives of North America called themselves OR the natives of India, NOR is it what Indians in India call themselves. It's a variation of what Columbus and all the rest of the Europeans who came behind him called the indigenous inhabitants of the Americas. So it doesn't matter, IMO, if it's ethnologically incorrect, it's got history on its side. Since it is not disrespectful, it seems OK to me.
The Vikings didn't call themselves Vikings. Most of the Crusaders didn't call themselves exactly that, Aryans weren't Germans, and of course the Faber College Mongols weren't using the name that Mongols call/called themselves.
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Shohei Ohtani is the first AL pitcher to homer and toss 8 innings since Jon Garland on June 18, 2006.
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I get your point.
OTOH, the name "Indian" is not what the natives of North America called themselves OR the natives of India, NOR is it what Indians in India call themselves. It's a variation of what Columbus and all the rest of the Europeans who came behind him called the indigenous inhabitants of the Americas. So it doesn't matter, IMO, if it's ethnologically incorrect, it's got history on its side. Since it is not disrespectful, it seems OK to me.
The Vikings didn't call themselves Vikings. Most of the Crusaders didn't call themselves exactly that, Aryans weren't Germans, and of course the Faber College Mongols weren't using the name that Mongols call/called themselves.
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It's a shame we couldn't separate the name from the logo. I also don't know why the Cleveland Tribe wasn't an option
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Separate from any wokeness, "Indians" is what happens when idiocy becomes tradition. It's embarrassing. The only Indians in North America came from India.
I'd like the name to die because it's radically incorrect.
What designation would you replace "Indians" with? I am also not sure why white people are "white," or "caucasion." I don't think either designation is offensive. I refer to my my ancestry as "Northern European."
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My post had nothing to do with what is or was offensive. It's simply incorrect. CW, your post is proving that languages are different, and the phrase "got history on its side" is what I'm talking about. Having history on one's side is an excuse to excuse stupidity.
There's nothing inherently offensive about "Indians," it was just factually incorrect. Perpetuating it for no other reason than it's got history on its side is perpetuating ignorance.
What would I replace it with? Simply a correct moniker: natives.
The people who Europeans largely killed and replaced were natives. Done.
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As for naming sports teams after Natives or Indians or any of it, BB was right - they don't care, it's a white-people-being-outraged-for-them thing. And for those who argue it's not, I have firsthand knowledge about modern-day tribal leaders: they're all old men who grew up on a patch of dirt and now have power, influence, and access to tens of millions of dollars. Yes, that's correct, they're corrupt. Nearly 100% of the time. So what they say shouldn't mean much to anyone - whether they're giving their blessing or feigning outrage.
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CW, that being said, an old white guy did come up with every sports team name. Maybe that's why ND or Celtics fans don't take issue with it. Their names were FUBU: for us, by us. Indians wasn't. Hell, Jim Thorpe's college was called the Indians because it was literal. It wasn't a mascot thing it was informational.
I'll bet you a dollar that's how it started out and it became so common that "Indians" became largely generic over time.....by the people who name sports teams, not by the literal Indians attending those schools (because they had to).
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As with most everything that possibly offends, yes, forbidding it may be silly, but so is passionately holding onto it for no better reason than "history on its side."
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I'm in the middle of Piute country, and they call themselves "Indians."
There is a HS on Navajo Nation called the "Redskins."
Just a bunch of woke Whites being offended on behalf of others who aren't.
Raise your hand if you've been the announcer and only white guy in the joint for a game involving that Redskins team.
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My post had nothing to do with what is or was offensive. It's simply incorrect. CW, your post is proving that languages are different, and the phrase "got history on its side" is what I'm talking about. Having history on one's side is an excuse to excuse stupidity.
There's nothing inherently offensive about "Indians," it was just factually incorrect. Perpetuating it for no other reason than it's got history on its side is perpetuating ignorance.
What would I replace it with? Simply a correct moniker: natives.
The people who Europeans largely killed and replaced were natives. Done.
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As for naming sports teams after Natives or Indians or any of it, BB was right - they don't care, it's a white-people-being-outraged-for-them thing. And for those who argue it's not, I have firsthand knowledge about modern-day tribal leaders: they're all old men who grew up on a patch of dirt and now have power, influence, and access to tens of millions of dollars. Yes, that's correct, they're corrupt. Nearly 100% of the time. So what they say shouldn't mean much to anyone - whether they're giving their blessing or feigning outrage.
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CW, that being said, an old white guy did come up with every sports team name. Maybe that's why ND or Celtics fans don't take issue with it. Their names were FUBU: for us, by us. Indians wasn't. Hell, Jim Thorpe's college was called the Indians because it was literal. It wasn't a mascot thing it was informational.
I'll bet you a dollar that's how it started out and it became so common that "Indians" became largely generic over time.....by the people who name sports teams, not by the literal Indians attending those schools (because they had to).
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As with most everything that possibly offends, yes, forbidding it may be silly, but so is passionately holding onto it for no better reason than "history on its side."
FWIW, the "history" I was describing was the historical use of the name to describe the people, not the history of the team names.
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As for naming sports teams after Natives or Indians or any of it, . . .
As I prepared to select my 1st jury in Delaware County, Iowa, I commented to my then secretary, after reading the juror questionnaire responses, and who is extremely high in social intelligence, "I didn't know we had 35% native Americans in Delaware County." She responded, "We don't, we have a lot of stupid people."
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https://twitter.com/OddPittsburgh/status/1432468205386272775?s=19
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Honus, Harvey Kuehn, Sparky Anderson, Phil Niekro,not alone in looking much older than their years indicated but kind of amazing to see.
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52 year old Harvey Kuehn
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41 year old Sparky Anderson.
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45 year old Phil Niekro
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41 year old Sparky Anderson.
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Sparky is younger there than Tom Brady is now
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Viagra wasn't a thing back then
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SHO STEALS HOME!
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Well went downtown to the last home game the Cleveland Indians will ever play.The Indians won their final home game, beating the Kansas City Royals (https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/teams/KC/kansas-city-royals/) 8-3 to close a run that started in 1915.Before that they were the Spiders since 1901 but changed the name to Indians to honor some good players that indeed were .As sad example of PC doing the exact opposite.When ''Take Me Out to The Ballgame'' was played during the seventh-inning stretch, Cleveland fans shouted ''root, root, root for the Indians!'' as if to send a message.Cleveland won two World Series (1920 and 1948) as the Indians, and came close to winning it all in 1995, 1997 and 2016 only to twice lose in heartbreaking fashion. Now, baseball's longest current title drought carries on under a new name.I also attended the last Indians home game at old Municipal Stadium where they had played since 1930.Don't go down to the new digs much because of the price gouging for instance a 9.50 Miller Lite.That was the cheapest suds in the line up.On the bright side it was 16 oz and I've upped my record to 5-0 at Jacobs/Progressive Field.As Clevelander Bob Hope once sang - "Thanks for Memories",had a lot of fun times at the old ball game coutesy of the Tribe
On a side note Bradley Zimmer's solo shot off his brother Kyle was just the fourth time since 1900 that a brother has homered off his brother. The others were: Joe Niekro off Phil in 1976; Rick Ferrell off Wes in 1933; and George Stovall off Jesse in 1904.
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Working outside, and listening to Cards-Brewers on the MLB app. Man, Mike Shannon sounds like he is barely awake. I'm all for the legends going out on their own terms, but this is rough.
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He's as cringe worthy as Hawk Harrelson ever was.
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He's as cringe worthy as Hawk Harrelson ever was.
Hawk was the worst, but awake.
I don't remember the last time I listened to him, but Mike Shannon sounded old at least a decade ago
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Frank Thomas just bought the Field of Dreams. He intends to construct 8-12 ball fields where 13-16 year olds can play. Wants to bring sewer and water to the site working with local officials, so a permanent stadium can be built. In 2020, the mayor of Dyersville told me that without sewer and water, they are not allowed to have a permanent stadium at that site, so when the game was canceled in 2020, they tore down the temporary stands, and then re-erected them in 2021.
I hope the Big Hurt has the good sense to make it the White Sox second home field. He seems like a sensible guy.
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I like the Brewers in five and SF to beat them in the NLCS in 6.
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I like the Brewers in five and SF to beat them in the NLCS in 6.
That would certainly be something
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My picks
WILDCARD GAMES
Red Sox d. Yankees
Dodgers d. Cardinals
DIVISIONAL SERIES
Rays d. Red Sox
White Sox d. Astros
Giants d. Dodgers
Braves d. Brewers
CHAMPIONSHIP SERIES
Rays d. White Sox
Giants d. Braves
WORLD SERIES
San Francisco Giants d. Tampa Bay Rays
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Going to ALDS game 1 maybe, game 2 certainly in Houston. Will pull for Sox. Then Bama @A&M Saturday.
Don't know why MLB hasn't set TV times yet for Thursday Friday. No mystery IMO. Either Brewers or Astros will be early game or second game of day. Obvious that Bos/Nyy winner will play in 3rd time slot with Giants late game. Pick already.!
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Going to ALDS game 1 maybe, game 2 certainly in Houston. Will pull for Sox. Then Bama @A&M Saturday.
Don't know why MLB hasn't set TV times yet for Thursday Friday. No mystery IMO. Either Brewers or Astros will be early game or second game of day. Obvious that Bos/Nyy winner will play in 3rd time slot with Giants late game. Pick already.!
Same here. If it was Boston/NY vs. Toronto in the WC, then I'd get it. You want that to be the primetime game if there's a chance Boston or NY won, but wanted Chicago-Houston in the prime time slot if it were Tampa-Toronto. In this case who cares?
That said, they went ahead and announced them this morning.
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Would be nice if this game ended before 1 am
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There's a reason I get less sleep in October than any other month during the year.
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Whewwwww
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friggin Dodgers
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Helluva game for 9 innings.
Now in he NL, we'll have the 107 and 106 win teams playing each other and the 88 and 95 win teams playing.
Idiocy.
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That is a pretty common set up for playoffs, and will on occasion produce an odd pairing.
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I like the WC game format, but then I think seeding should be done by record. So I'm good with the Dodgers having to play the WC game, but now they should get the #2 seed.
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Helluva game for 9 innings.
Now in he NL, we'll have the 107 and 106 win teams playing each other and the 88 and 95 win teams playing.
Idiocy.
Well if this was 1993, the Giants win 103 and don't even get a WC game. It's not like this happens often or even at all.
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Well if this was 1993, the Giants win 103 and don't even get a WC game. It's not like this happens often or even at all.
That was a great year.
I'm sort of an expert on that season in particular because Ken Griffey Jr baseball for the Super Nintendo came out after it and you could edit the roster names to be accurate. I played the shit out of that game. The background music is ingrained in my mind forever.
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Tampa Bay Rays are 26th out of 30 in MLB payroll, but possibly the best in the American League at baseball. How do they do it?
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We had decent seats today in a game the White Sox sure had chances to win.
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Tampa Bay Rays are 26th out of 30 in MLB payroll, but possibly the best in the American League at baseball. How do they do it?
Traditional thinking and herd mentality?
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Horrid baserunning all around in this matinee. Brewers suspect offense getting exposed here in this series at the moment.
Pounding the ball hard today right into mitts. Keeler's advice ignored at Brewers' peril.
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So the team that finished 8 games back beats the division-winner 1 seed in a five game series.
Playoffs are dumb.
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At least we get one winner take all game...between the two best teams in baseball this year. Should be fun
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...unless they screw up their pitching rotation and lose to the Braves in the next round.
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Also, postseason games should never take 4 hours + to play 9 innings of baseball.
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no baseball game should take 4 hours
take away the velcro batting gloves - hell take away batting gloves
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Also, postseason games should never take 4 hours + to play 9 innings of baseball.
Corey Knebel is starting.
Buckle up. Pitching changes a plenty are coming.
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Too lazy to dig it up, but this has been studied to death, it ain't the pitching changes or longer commercials. The amount of time elapsed between pitches is far and away the biggest contributor to longer games.
Love the experiments underway at minor leagues on this. A hardened enforced pitch clock is the best solution. Game flow is noticeably better at games with an enforced pitch clock.
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Too lazy to dig it up, but this has been studied to death, it ain't the pitching changes or longer commercials. The amount of time elapsed between pitches is far and away the biggest contributor to longer games.
Love the experiments underway at minor leagues on this. A hardened enforced pitch clock is the best solution. Game flow is noticeably better at games with an enforced pitch clock.
It's a twofold problem in my opinion. I do agree that a pitch clock mixed with penalizing batters for stepping out of the box speeds up the pace of play, but does nothing to address the problem of the game boiling down to the three true outcomes. That is a more complicated issue. I think getting rid of the lively ball has helped, and I would put some limits on the shifts, so that guys don't feel like they might as well swing for the fences, because even if they make good contact, they're hitting it right into four defenders. I think you need to enforce two infielders on either side of second base, and they must be positioned somewhere within the back of the dirt
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Walks have largely been stable for decades.
Yeah, guys are workiing long counts, but they're striking out. Ks and HRs are absurd nowadays.
In AZ Fall League games, there's a pitch clock and yeah, it works. You watch a few innings of it and actually believe there used to be 9 inning games played in 2 hours back in the day.
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hitting to the opposite field easily defeats the shift, but no one wants to hit singles any longer
swing for the fence and pull the ball for HR power
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hitters stepping out of the box on EVERY pitch to play with the velcro on their gloves is absurd
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hitting to the opposite field easily defeats the shift, but no one wants to hit singles any longer
swing for the fence and pull the ball for HR power
Because the pitchers are so nasty, stringing together base hits is nearly impossible. And certainly not statistically wise
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Games actually moving along at a pretty good pace
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Webb about to make it through 7 is what I like to see
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TTO indeed a separate issue and would require some medley of remedies. I'm much more annoyed by pitcher/ batter stalling than anything else.
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Doubles and triples are exciting. Even singles with multiple baserunners is exciting. It's actual action. Today's baseball isn't that. ELA is right, it's most effective to play boring baseball. Ks and BBs untiil you hit a HR.
When any kind of entertainment has it's best incentive to win at odds with the enjoyment of watching, it's no longer entertaining.
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Is it selfish of me to have just wanted a blowout? A 1-run game in the bottom of the 9th is too nerve-racking.
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Yikes, horrible call to end it. Not sure Flores was going to get him either way though
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Sorry punch out to end that.
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Unpopular opinion: he went around.
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My favorite is the 88-win team having home-field advantage vs the 106-win team.
We get so clever and cute that we're stupid.
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Braves cup of luck runneth over this weekend. Fun series. 100x more interesting than ALCS where someone has to win and that just sucks.
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Braves cup of luck runneth over this weekend. Fun series. 100x more interesting than ALCS where someone has to win and that just sucks.
so I gather youre not a fan of either team
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so I gather youre not a fan of either team
Is anyone?
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there's a couple on the Big 12 board that are Stros fans
I was a Stros fan back in the day
it was just a little cheating for crying out loud
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Im a big Astros fan
Not defending cheating cause that was really bad
that was 4 years ago and Ive turned the page
anyway go Astros
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as a follow up I dont think the Astros will get to the World Series this year cause their pitching isnt good enough
hope Im wrong
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Yeah, I wouldn't expect Astros fans to turn their backs on them over it. But I don't think anyone without a dog in the fight can find much reason to root for either team.
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certainly goes for the Red Sox
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Not sure why everybody hates Boston
They have a beautiful park
I thought the Yankees was the team to hate
one interest thing about Houston is that all this adversity against them has put a big chip on their shoulders and has made them really want to repeat a world series win
just to screw with all the haters minds
theres also a feeling that a cheating free victory would help put 2017 away from continued ridicule
I for one understand this continued hate and hope it deters future cheaters
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Fenway can (and is) be beautiful and I can simultaneously want the Sox to drop dead. There's no correlation between those two matters.
Similarly, I had a great time at the Juice Box for game 2 of the LDS, doesn't make me want to root for Houston.
Half the reason to follow sports are the villains. Hell pro wrestling would wither and die wo heels.
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I don't think anyone hates the "Red Sox" per se...
It's more that Boston sports fans are easily 3x more insufferable than nearly any other fan base.
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A lot of people started disliking the Sox when the charade of them being the David vs the Yankees' Goliath, when in reality, they were the 'other' major political party - both of which were screwing everyone over and taking all the money.
ie - David shouldn't have the 2nd-highest payroll
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A lot of people started disliking the Sox when the charade of them being the David vs the Yankees' Goliath, when in reality, they were the 'other' major political party - both of which were screwing everyone over and taking all the money.
ie - David shouldn't have the 2nd-highest payroll
That was it for me. They were just the unsuccessful version of the Yankees, and everyone was acting like they were the high school from Hoosiers
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https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1450672423733506052?s=20
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I more partial to the Astros taking out the trash, or putting a lid on the sox.
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These LCSs have been fantastic, after a ho hum divisional round. Hoping the Dodgers extend it tonight
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I can't take another close one with the Braves. 9-2 works for me.
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I more partial to the Astros taking out the trash, or putting a lid on the sox.
feel the same way with the Braves
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That's a Tom Glavine strike zone right thar!
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Good for Dusty
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Go Astros
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Love Dusty's rather unusual ensemble. Purple tinted shades, all kinds of wristbands and black rubber Dr Strangelove gloves along with his toothpick.
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Uhhh, why is Joc Peterson wearing a full-on pearl necklace?
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Astros vs Braves
should be a great series
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as long as the Dodgers and Red Sox are NOT in it, it'll be great!
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Uhhh, why is Joc Peterson wearing a full-on pearl necklace?
He's been doing that for a long time, fans have taken to wearing pearls. They had Dale Murphy throw out the first pitch in Game 2 and he was wearing pearls.
I did not think the Braves would persevere here, especially after the Acuna knee, that obviously was a season ending event. Nope.
Can they beat the 'Stros? 50-50, probably 60-40 against.
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Caesars Sportsbook opened with the Astros as -150 favorites over the Braves after Atlanta finished off the Los Angeles Dodgers on Saturday night in the NLCS to earn its spot in the Series. The price has since ticked down to Houston -145, with the Braves listed at +125.
Game 1 of the World Series is Tuesday night in Houston.
For the first time since 1999, the Braves are going back to the World Series.
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Caesars Sportsbook opened with the Astros as -150 favorites over the Braves after Atlanta finished off the Los Angeles Dodgers on Saturday night in the NLCS to earn its spot in the Series. The price has since ticked down to Houston -145, with the Braves listed at +125.
Does this mean I can bet $150 to win $100 on the Stros and $125 on the Braves?
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Yes. Moneyline bets..
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Im not a sports betting guy but if I were it would not be on baseball
Baseball is so day to day and largely dependent on the pitcher who may or may not have a good day
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Im not a sports betting guy but if I were it would not be on baseball
Baseball is so day to day and largely dependent on the pitcher who may or may not have a good day
I'm the opposite, I generally do the best betting baseball. I will say the quick hooks, and bullpen usage has made it tougher, but I used to kill it by just betting a two game parlay every night based on pitching matchups.
My football betting this year... Woof
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Betting baseball is the best edge for the bettor of the major sports. Win the game, no garbage time back door covers, no pants crapping and relying on free throws and other scrub results.
It really isn't a debate.
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Nebraska athletic director Trev Alberts has been asked to deliver on a pretty unique opportunity in the B1G athletics.
Tuesday night during a radio show, a caller phoned in to pitch an idea to Alberts. That idea? A Field of Dreams baseball game between Nebraska and Iowa that would be televised on Big Ten Network.
https://saturdaytradition.com/nebraska-football/if-you-build-it-nebraska-fan-challenges-ad-to-host-field-of-dreams-baseball-game-vs-iowa/?fbclid=IwAR2U2kB-vZGWVOfOy0soMAXdZUSlvr_J3dsUE3Ej1B0rxq5AFxJr6x-3An4 (https://saturdaytradition.com/nebraska-football/if-you-build-it-nebraska-fan-challenges-ad-to-host-field-of-dreams-baseball-game-vs-iowa/?fbclid=IwAR2U2kB-vZGWVOfOy0soMAXdZUSlvr_J3dsUE3Ej1B0rxq5AFxJr6x-3An4)
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I'm the opposite, I generally do the best betting baseball.
:o Really? I lost one game giving 3:1 odds,I never saw a cleaner pick either.It was like '04-'05 something like that and the Twins were in 1st and the Tigers in last.Tigers had 2 allstars both were out,Rodriguez and Guillen and had some schmuck in center just called up and a pitcher called up from Double A who didn't have a decent ELA ERA.If I could remember their names I'd die a happy man.Anyway at that time Pitcher Brad Radke for the Twins was off to a good start and had a lifetime record of 8-0 vs the Tigers.The only ray of light for the Tigers was the game was in Detroit.The local book made some coin that week.Haven't touched MLB since
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Tuesday night during a radio show, a caller phoned in to pitch an idea to Alberts. That idea? A Field of Dreams baseball game between Nebraska and Iowa that would be televised on Big Ten Network.
Whose going to call the game James Earl Jones and Bob Eucker?
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that would be better than the usual BTN crew
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Tony Oliva is ready to congratulate Minnesota Twins teammate Harmon Killebrew after Killebrew's 500th home run hit in a game against the Baltimore Orioles at Metropolitan Stadium. (1971)
Photo from MN Historical Society.
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Tony was my favorite player as a young fan in the 60's
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that would be better than the usual BTN crew
"Just a bit outside"
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Whose going to call the game James Earl Jones and Bob Eucker?
Fran Drescher and Gilbert Gottfried
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Fran Drescher and Gilbert Gottfried
Would you rather...
1) have those two call every sporting event that you watch from this point forward?
OR...
B) Get kicked in the nuts by an NFL punter?
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Delaware?
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Delaware?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FCqFoYrWUAgm9k0?format=jpg&name=large)
Probably contrarian just because they're hoping someone remembers they exist...
...they're eminently forgettable.
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Well then FOX is full of Ka-Ka,Many rooting for AL and Tribe Fans are not Brave Fans
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sorry America the Astros take game 2
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Tony Gwynn and Rod Carew. Between them they have 15 batting average titles (Gwynn 8 Carew 7).
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Cobb had 12 by his lonesome!
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Selfish.
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Cobb had 12 by his lonesome!
Not enough to outweigh a random journalist from creating his own made up narrative
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So Atlanta can host the World Series, but not the All Star Game?
Sweet.
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Fran Drescher and Gilbert Gottfried
I can't help but laugh at the prospect of these two announcing a tennis match or a golf weekend. They especially don't belong anywhere near any event requiring hushed tones.
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Born in 1816 My Grandfather Frank Franklinstein is arguably the longest tenured baseball player in history 1840-1955
He finished his career with a mammoth 750 foot home run shortly before the townspeople ran him out of town.
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Guy couldn't hit a change up to save his ass.And he wanted to play thru the lightning storms
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With Drew Smyly getting a World Series ring with the Braves last night, that now means all 6 regular starters from the 2014 Tigers have won a World Series since leaving.
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That's quite impressive.
Meanwhile Panda will get his 4th WS ring for his contributions to the Braves.
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Why bother with a regular season? A team with the 12th-best record is the "World Champions."
It's literally stupid.
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Just pretend that they are an SEC team winning a NC after failing to qualify for their CCG.
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Just pretend that they are an SEC team winning a NC after failing to qualify for their CCG.
Just as soon as college football moves to a 162-game schedule...
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Or don't, I don't care.
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When the 88 win team wins three consecutive playoff series against very good teams, one might conclude they actually were a pretty good team that had a tough start.
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When the 88 win team wins three consecutive playoff series against very good teams, one might conclude they actually were a pretty good team that had a tough start.
You're comparing 16 games vs 162.
That's fun.
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it's called the playoff
just like in College football
let's go to 8 or 12 teams and then just crown a playoff champion
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The Braves got hot at the right time, early August, their record since then compares with anyone's. And they won those three playoff series against top flight competition, and they won the WS. I think they had "the best team" often in the 1990s and did not win the WS except in 1995.
It is a playoff champion, not the best team, often as not.
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Fro wants it to be like Euro Soccer. Blech.
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The Braves Turned A Lost Season Into A Championship | FiveThirtyEight (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-braves-turned-a-lost-season-into-a-championship/)
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obviously should have been the Rays vs the Giants
the Dodgers didn't even win their division
at least the Braves did that
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so we should not have playoffs or a world series
the season ending records determine the champ
besides the fact that you would be pissing away a shit load of money
its a really stupid idea
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Meh, the rules are set, we follow them, Da Braves won. Call'em what you will, they have the trophy.
I agree it's mostly about the money. When the AL and NL had 8 teams each, we could go right to the WS. I think some playoffs are too inclusive.
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so we should not have playoffs or a world series
the season ending records determine the champ
besides the fact that you would be pissing away a shit load of money
its a really stupid idea
Originally, the 2 leagues that did not play each other and didn't have divisions had their champions play each other for the championship. THAT made sense.
What we have now is a money grab for the mildest baseball fan possible.
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obviously should have been the Rays vs the Giants
the Dodgers didn't even win their division
at least the Braves did that
I like how disgust for me aligns everyone on the obvious wrong side of the debate. It's adorbs.
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At least he didn't suggest promotion and relegation.
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It's entertainment. We aren't solving world hunger
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Yup, and we each can have personal opinions about how things should work, they remain just opinions. My question about expanded playoffs always has been "What is your goal?". I think in most cases, the goal is more money.
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MLB has 10 teams out of 30 make the playoffs or 1/3 of the teams.
NFL has 14 out of 32, or 7/16, a little under 1/2.
NHL has 16 out of 32, exactly 1/2.
NBA has 16 out of 30, or 8/15, a little over 1/2.
MLS has 14 out of 27, a little over 1/2.
CFL has 6 out of 9, or 2/3 of the league making the playoffs.
So Baseball is by far the most exclusive N American league with regards to their Playoff field.
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Most fans like playoffs, and pay money for them obviously. One can dislike the schemes of course, fine with me, if anything, they will expand more before they trim back.
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I like how disgust for me aligns everyone on the obvious wrong side of the debate. It's adorbs.
sorry, was just a poke at a Dodgers fan, nothing personal
guys like Steve Yeager
1B Steve Garvey
2B Davey Lopes
3B Ron Cey
SS Bill Russell
LF Bill Buckner
CF Jimmy Wynn
RF Willie Crawford
bothered my in my childhood
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Originally, the 2 leagues that did not play each other and didn't have divisions had their champions play each other for the championship. THAT made sense.
What we have now is a money grab for the mildest baseball fan possible.
like the first few years of the Super Bowl?
the good ol daze with Bart Starr and Willie Joe Namath
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In my old age, I am more accepting of he inevitable without constantly complaining about it. Playoffs are inevitable, so, I'm fine with them.
Your team has a scalp, figuratively speaking, for winning its division, you get to raise a flag in the outfield.
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saying the current playoff system is about money is very misleading
what its really all about is fan interest
it exists to create more fan interest and it has accomplished that goal
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Fan interest = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
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I don't particularly want to see it expanded any farther, but I think every postseason needs to be about entertainment. We generally know who the best team is, and don't need a playoff to tell us that. If that's the right you want to go, that's fine, but it's still an entertainment product, and I don't like the idea of 22 team fan bases having nothing to care about by the midpoint of the season, because they are going to finish with the best record
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I like how disgust for me aligns everyone on the obvious wrong side of the debate. It's adorbs.
No need to make it personal. I don't think anyone's opinion on playoffs has anything to do with you.
The better way to think of this is that your preferences are different than those of "the masses", who are more interested in playoffs than you are. I know your opinion of "the masses" is not high, and I certainly share that with you, but the reason they have playoffs is that fans watch them. Simple as that.
It may not be your ideal, but you're an outlier.
Nothing wrong with being an outlier, but understand that there may not be a "wrong" or "right" side of this debate. There is a "popular" and "unpopular" side of this debate, and given that the popular side ALSO happens to generate ratings and $$$$$, and you can pretty well predict what's gonna happen.
There are a lot of popular things I'm not the least bit interested in, such as MLB, "The Bachelor/ette", and light beer. So I don't partake of those things (except the occasional light beer if it's all that's available, of course).
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Fan interest = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
it is a professional league of course money is involved
no money or/and fan interest then no league
fan interest is the life blood for any professional sport
my point is that the goal is not simply be to get more money but to increase fan interest
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the goal is a single goal
because fan interest = money
if not for money there would be no league, regardless of fan interest
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the goal is a single goal
because fan interest = money
if not for money there would be no league, regardless of fan interest
a league can generate more money and not increase fans so they are not interchangeable
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foolhardy stubborn know-it-all Texans
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Hard to generate any money or fan interest when you've locked your players out.
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I'd say there is a one to one correlation between fan interest and money/revenue for a sports team. Maybe there is an exception somewhere.
If they could generate more revenue with no fans they would. If they could have more fan interest and less revenue they wouldn't.
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foolhardy stubborn know-it-all Texans
idiot farmers
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that's dirt farmer to you!
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I'd say there is a one to one correlation between fan interest and money/revenue for a sports team. Maybe there is an exception somewhere.
If they could generate more revenue with no fans they would. If they could have more fan interest and less revenue they wouldn't.
ballparks increase prices all the time with no fan increase
tv contracts have no direct fan 1 on 1 correlation
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that's dirt farmer to you!
well thats Mr Texan to you
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ballparks increase prices all the time with no fan increase
tv contracts have no direct fan 1 on 1 correlation
Fan INTEREST, not just fans in seats.
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well thats Mr Texan to you
well, MR. Texan
As you know, I just stir the pot and let you argue with Cincydawg
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Fan INTEREST, not just fans in seats.
ok I was assuming increase in fan interest meant an increase in fans not just existing fans becoming more interested
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well, MR. Texan
As you know, I just stir the pot and let you argue with Cincydawg
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Im very aware
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If they could generate more revenue with no fans they would.
They do. All the time.
They decimated the minor leagues to save a buck. They beheaded the draft to save a buck. They do everything and anything they can to make money without adding 1 additonal fan AND they expand playoffs to make another buck.
Fan interest of "baseball fans" doesn't wane....but these expanded playoffs aren't for "baseball fans." And no, it doesn't matter, but it's still true.
I just wish they'd crown the champion after the long-ass regular season, then have whatever goofy, statistically-cartoonish playoff you want, for entertainment.
And if I may make a larger leap, for those of you old fogies who lament how things are nowadays and complain how it's changed so much from the good ole days.....this is part of it. Not the genereic expanding of playoffs and interleague play and all that, but the freakin' 12th-best team getting to hoist the World Champions trophy.
Every explansion of a playoff is closer and closer to 'everyone gets a trophy' in professional sports.
More eyeballs > rewarding excellence
Same with college football.
The World Series used to make sense, back in 1937. Leagues that dind't intermingle each had champions with the best record. It was a best-of-9 series. In today's setup, a season doesn't need to be 162 games. Why not make it 100? Why not make it 10?
Oh yeah.....money.
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The Astros just didnt have the pitching needed for an extended series
Congrats to the Braves. They have a very good team.
One thing about sports
theres always next year
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And if I may make a larger leap, for those of you old fogies who lament how things are nowadays and complain how it's changed so much from the good ole days.....this is part of it.
You are the only one here that is sounding like that.
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If you don't like the baseball post season, fine with me. If you like it, fine with me. I don't see the point in getting aroused by whatever it is. It's a common theme for pro sports. And it increases fan interest, which increases revenue.
The best team doesn't always win any playoff.
Is that 12 team CFB playoff really going to happen or was it fluff?
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oh, I'm old and feel that way
just not venting at the moment
gotta conserve energy to stir the Texan's pot
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You are the only one here that is sounding like that.
Let's talk poltics and social issues then...
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I'm just sharing on a web forum where people share things.....it's not keeping me up at night, lol.
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Let's talk poltics and social issues then...
leave the social issues out of it ;)
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I'm just sharing on a web forum where people share things.....it's not keeping me up at night, lol.
Yeesh, don't get your panties in a bunch.
Let's talk poltics and social issues then...
Why do you hate progress?
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Fan interest of "baseball fans" doesn't wane....but these expanded playoffs aren't for "baseball fans." And no, it doesn't matter, but it's still true.
This sounds to me like the No True Scotsman fallacy.
I.e. no real baseball fan would like these playoffs, therefore anyone who likes these playoffs isn't a real baseball fan.
And if I may make a larger leap, for those of you old fogies who lament how things are nowadays and complain how it's changed so much from the good ole days.....this is part of it. Not the genereic expanding of playoffs and interleague play and all that, but the freakin' 12th-best team getting to hoist the World Champions trophy.
Every explansion of a playoff is closer and closer to 'everyone gets a trophy' in professional sports.
More eyeballs > rewarding excellence
I'd argue otherwise. It's not "everyone gets a trophy" if only one team at the end gets a trophy.
You may not agree that the team that hoisted the trophy deserves it because you disagree that they should have been allowed into the playoff field at all. But they beat all the other playoff teams they faced, fair and square, in best of 7 rounds of a tournament.
They're being rewarded for results on the field... in the playoff.
The World Series used to make sense, back in 1937. Leagues that dind't intermingle each had champions with the best record. It was a best-of-9 series. In today's setup, a season doesn't need to be 162 games. Why not make it 100? Why not make it 10?
Oh yeah.....money.
I'm with you on the season not needing to be 162 games. Hell, you could make it a head-to-head NL vs AL world series instead of playoffs and you STILL don't need 162 games.
But yeah, having this many playoff teams certainly diminishes the importance of regular season games even more than having a 162-game season does.
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if you are a baseball fan you love having a 162 game season
you also love the fact that if your team wont win its division they still might get a shot
if you are not a baseball fan then the season is too long and there are too many teams is the playoff
i just feel that we are hearing some non baseball fans rendering their opinion on a subject they really couldnt care less about which means very little to me a big baseball fan
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I enjoy baseball, obviously, more this year than most. There is an aspect of the game I really get.
One aspect I found a bit odd was the Braves had HFA over the Dodgers, who won 106 games, but were the WC team. The Braves only lost one home game in the playoffs, to Houston, I think they did have some HFA in baseball, some of it may be sleeping in one's own bed.
But, yeah, if you're not a fan at all, your opinion on how they do it is somewhat irrelevant to me.
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is HFA still determined by the all-star game?
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But, yeah, if you're not a fan at all, your opinion on how they do it is somewhat irrelevant to me.
Sorry, I shall excuse myself then... I watched a bit of a Dodgers playoff game and then a good amount of WS game 6. That was my extent of baseball this season.
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is HFA still determined by the all-star game?
no they changed that
I for one was sorry they changed it
it gave some real incentive to that game which I really liked
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is HFA still determined by the all-star game?
In this case, it was determined by division winner being precedent over a WC team.
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In this case, it was determined by division winner being precedent over a WC team.
seems reasonable
that would have been my choice
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What the Giants did this year was extraordinary. Incomprehensible. And it will be forgotten. The had 2 big-bad talented teams projected to dominate their division. A couple of month into the season, they were sure to fall back any day. At the AS break, kudos to them, but they can't possibly keep this up. Even going into September, the metrics had the Dodgers winning the West.
But they kept on winning. And winning. And winning.
Their story is a rag-tag team of whoevers and over-the-hill guys, with some anonymous pitchers, won 107 games!!! And it didn't matter.
I guess I'd like the MLB playoffs to be like the college basketball conference tournament. The real conference champs are the regular season champs....the conf tourney is just for someone to get hot and play their way into March Madness.
I guess I care too much about the champion actually possibly being the best team.
Look at MLB this year:
107 wins - Giants
106 - Dodgers
100 - Rays
95 - Astros, Brewers
93 - White Sox
92 - Red Sox, Yankees
91 - Blue Jays
90 - Mariners, Cardinals
88 - Braves
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If your sport is going to have a long season, that's good. It's a large sample size. The best team has ample opportunity to show itself as such and let the statistical noise settle down.
Most people would say the Dodgers are the best team. Great, the 106 wins suggest yeah, they're up there. The Giants won 107, so regardless of how they look on paper, they have a great claim. The Rays? Sure. Maybe. The Astros are a known commodity and are great, and the Brewers had a 3-headed monster of starting pitchers. All great teams. Even the White Sox are young up-and-comers. The Red Sox and Yankees battled it out for the East before fading. The Blue Jays probably have the best young talent in their trio of position players.
They're in the conversation.....or maybe the conversation ends after the Rays or the White Sox. It doesn't matter.
But I guess what I'm saying is don't call it a champion when it's shown to be the 12th-best team after 162 games. Sabermatricians know the postseason is a coin flip. That's why Billy Beane's Moneyball teams never won it all and why this year's INCREDIBLE Giants' season didn't, either.
Don't call the 12th-best team champions. Have your playoff. Get your money. But call them something else.
And this isn't anti-Braves, I like the Braves. You can call them Team-A if you want.
Team A won 88 games (12th most) in a shitty division. Look at the list above: only the White Sox had no other strong teams to compete with.
Baseball's postseason started out making sense. But over the years, it's evolved into a convoluted money-grab. You guys are telling me, "yup, deal with it." And I get it, and it is what it is, but it's not what it says it is. The Braves aren't the champions of anything. They're the beneficiaries of a random-chance contest. Their coin came up heads the most often for a 16-game stretch.
Cool.
Let's call them the 2021 MLB Beneficiaries! At least is more honest than champions.
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to say something over and over does not make it so
we understand your point OAM we dont agree with it
the rules of determining a baseball champion have been in place for over 100 years
and baseball fans embrace it
as has been pointed out there is no other pro team sport that doesnt have playoffs
going into the playoffs season records do play a part in determining HFA
so your opinion is noted and disagreed with
perhaps you could start watching chess tournaments where the record does determine
the overall champion and leave baseball to us fans
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Sounds like Fro hates diversity and inclusiveness.
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the rules of determining a baseball champion have been in place for over 100 years
This sentence doesn't make any sense, having just read what I put.
The rules of determining a baseball champion made sense until expansion in 1969. Having 2 divisions in each league weakened the "champion" potential for the WS winner. You could have a very strong division winner and a much less strong division winner upset them in a series. Strike one.
The rules of determining a baseball champion continued not making sense with the wild card in 1994. Born of expansion and 3 divisions, NOT because it was just a good idea in of itself, it allowed for a non-division winner to become the "champion." Strike two.
The rules of determining a baseball champion were made worse by interleague play in 1997. Now, instead of two separate leagues who would produce a champion to face off in the WS, teams in each league would play each other. Already bad enough, a side-effect was scheduling inequality. Strike three.
YER OUT!!!
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Sounds like Fro hates diversity and inclusiveness.
Of course, I've always said sports championships should be exclusive. :88:
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This sentence doesn't make any sense, having just read what I put.
The rules of determining a baseball champion made sense until expansion in 1969. Having 2 divisions in each league weakened the "champion" potential for the WS winner. You could have a very strong division winner and a much less strong division winner upset them in a series. Strike one.
The rules of determining a baseball champion continued not making sense with the wild card in 1994. Born of expansion and 3 divisions, NOT because it was just a good idea in of itself, it allowed for a non-division winner to become the "champion." Strike two.
The rules of determining a baseball champion were made worse by interleague play in 1997. Now, instead of two separate leagues who would produce a champion to face off in the WS, teams in each league would play each other. Already bad enough, a side-effect was scheduling inequality. Strike three.
YER OUT!!!
and again repeating your position over and over just is a waste of time
it makes no difference how many teams or division are involved
to say that it does is what does not make sense
the winner of each division plus WC teams is still well within an effective playoff program
the wildcard teams play off and then meet the highest seated division winner who will have HFA
there is nothing wrong with that system
feel free to keep repeating your position over and over Ill let you have the last say
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Next Fro will howl that we need to bring back the Negro League.
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Everyone is welcome to dislike how leagues do this. I don't like the NBA playoffs, but then I don't like the NBA, but their inclusiveness to me is over the top. The baseball arrangement is OK with me, I think it's on the edge, but it's OK.
In CFB, I'd probably favor a six team scheme over anything, slightly ahead of current four, and better than eight, but that's just me. It's a compromise between allowing the best team to win and having a playoff champion. I'd note the Braves were winning a lot after Aug. 6 and the trades they made, they really were a different team late.
But we each have our preferences, I just don't go on and on about my own.
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Everyone is welcome to dislike how leagues do this. I don't like the NBA playoffs, but then I don't like the NBA, but their inclusiveness to me is over the top. The baseball arrangement is OK with me, I think it's on the edge, but it's OK.
The only reason I'm ok with the NBA, is that there is no American sport where the better team more regularly advances. It gives middling teams something to play for, but they won't actually do anything with it. Even in going from 16 to 20 with the play in games, I don't care, because it makes more teams relevant, but unlike the other three sports, those fringe playoff teams won't be a factor
The NHL is comparable, but due to more flukiness, that is more cringe worthy to me. Although in fairness to the NHL, they've had a 16 team playoff since there were 20 teams, and in going to 32 teams, they've never expanded.
I saw a proposal years ago, that I really liked, with a ladder system to get to the playoffs. You would have to figure out the scheduling for the non-playoff games, but essentially after Labor Day the bottom two teams in each league face off in a best of 3, hosted by the team with the better record. The winner moves up to play #13, the loser is done. The best thing I can think, is make the schedule, and then simply have the "playoff" teams play each other, with the teams they were supposed to play play each other. Then instead of being done, the eliminated team can substitute in where needed, if needed for an advancing playoff team.
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and again repeating your position over and over just is a waste of time
it makes no difference how many teams or division are involved
to say that it does is what does not make sense
the winner of each division plus WC teams is still well within an effective playoff program
the wildcard teams play off and then meet the highest seated division winner who will have HFA
there is nothing wrong with that system
feel free to keep repeating your position over and over Ill let you have the last say
I'm repeating myself and articulating how I feel because I enjoy doing so.
Your "effective playoff program" just had an 88-win team hosting a 106-win team. That's fucking brilliant, isn't it?
And it "rewarded" a 107-win team with playing a 106-win team in the divisional series. Another wave of pure genius.
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I'm repeating myself and articulating how I feel because I enjoy doing so.
Your "effective playoff program" just had an 88-win team hosting a 106-win team. That's fucking brilliant, isn't it?
And it "rewarded" a 107-win team with playing a 106-win team in the divisional series. Another wave of pure genius.
the 106 win team should have played better
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Sigh.
I guess we could have a better convo about this if you guys understood that a 5 or 7-game series in baseball is basically a coin flip. And my post you're responding to had nothing to do with the outcome, but the design.
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https://youtu.be/fzjWQF1oP2M
https://youtu.be/Mf0XyNs_f8c
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Ernie Banks acknowledges the crowd after hitting the 500th home run of his career at Wrigley Field on 12 May 1970.
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Picked up some $10 tickets for a Guardians Spring Training game. Holding off on buying any others because there might not be a Spring Training.
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Picked up some $10 tickets for a Guardians Spring Training game. Holding off on buying any others because there might not be a Spring Training.
Was about to say that there's no way COVID is shutting that down, and then remembered...oh yeah...that whole lockout thing
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Yeah, I made plans for Park City for skiing this year instead of Cactus.
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There's a youtube video diving into Bonds' crazy last few seasons. One year, he would have had the highest WAR without a bat in his hand. Cartoony shit.
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At least Bud Selig got in
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Lee Elia Cubs Rant - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S0CDtEz_Bo)
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Not MLB, but don't recall seeing this last spring
https://twitter.com/NAIABall/status/1390749237185556482?t=lpu6w2zzXTpE51nKelQSpw&s=19
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There isn't any video footage of this, but this is more or less exactly what happened in 1908 (it actually happened twice that season in key moments) and is a very key reason why the New York Giants lost the pennant to the Chicago Cubs. See Merkle's Boner. Poor Fred Merkle. Good a place as any to tout one the best baseball books of all-time, Crazy '08 by Cait Murphy.
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I met a HoFer at Fantasy Camp this past year, John Shuerholtz. His name is hard to spell.
He's getting old, as are we all. They couldn't bring in a current player because of the LO.
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There isn't any video footage of this, but this is more or less exactly what happened in 1908 (it actually happened twice that season in key moments) and is a very key reason why the New York Giants lost the pennant to the Chicago Cubs. See Merkle's Boner. Poor Fred Merkle. Good a place as any to tout one the best baseball books of all-time, Crazy '08 by Cait Murphy.
Didn't he throw the ball to a fan or something?
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Merkle was the baserunner on first during the 1908 instance. He failed to touch second base. The ball (and this story has many POVs) was believed to be tossed to fans by an exiting Giants player/ pitcher (the clubhouses at the Polo Grounds were behind CF) to a fan or in the stands. the Cubs 2B Evers went to chase after the ball, as Merkle exited the field w/o touching second (fans were storming the field, which was not uncommon in this era, after the base hit to CF, which would've scored the run from third making the final 2-1 Giants. Long story short, Evers brings 'a' ball to second base and touches second for the force out, and the umpires (there were only two umps working the game) were consulted during a wild scene. Merkle ruled out, protests, mayhem, hearings, game ordered replayed weeks later, Giants lose, lose pennant by a game.
edited massively for brevity.
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Thanks for the boner description
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A great picture of Harmon Killebrew hitting his 49th home run of the year at the Met.
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Harmon Killebrew slams his 49th home run of the season, October 1, 1969.
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A great picture of Harmon Killebrew hitting his 49th home run of the year at the Met.
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Harmon Killebrew slams his 49th home run of the season, October 1, 1969.
We had a frost delay Sunday at the golf course and a few of us were standing around chit-chatting and one of the guys was talking about having a baseball signed by Harmon Killebrew and how he visited his ranch in Montana (not sure how it came up), but the funny thing is a number of the younger guys had no idea who we were talking about.
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the Killer
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White Sox fans had to suffer through Hawk for a long time to get the great Jason Bennetti now.
Hopefully Tigers fans are rewarded for these Matt Shepard years, but I'm concerned we are getting punished on the back end for getting Mario Impemba for so long
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I assume Pujols will be fined in Kangaroo court for that attempted steal today.
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I assume Pujols will be fined in Kangaroo court for that attempted steal today.
I assume the steal is still in progress?
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Him and Uecker running neck-n-neck