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Title: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: Cincydawg on January 19, 2021, 03:55:12 PM
Dan Patrick: Tennessee coaches handed McDonald's bags with cash to recruits (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/Article/Jeremy-Pruitt-fired-Tennessee-Vols-football-NCAA-recruiting-violations-McDonalds-bags-cash-coaching-search-159558159/?fbclid=IwAR3TOPFndzm77ZTlkIVH7ekfsVIlArJgQVziLm5Yj46xH2tpe8qMp6haAVI)


I tend to think this happens, but far more covertly than this.  Someone with deeps pockets offers to fix up the church a recruits uncle is pastor of.  Somebody's brother gets a lucrative job.  Family stuff, arm's length, etc.

Maybe there are literal "bag men" today that go directly to the recruits, it's certainly possible, but I would GUESS the coaching staff is almost never involved, directly.  Almost.
Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: MrNubbz on January 19, 2021, 04:01:07 PM
That's for the most part accurate IM estimation
Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: FearlessF on January 19, 2021, 04:21:08 PM
whatever works

brown paper sacks or pontiac trans ams
Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: utee94 on January 19, 2021, 05:19:45 PM


(https://i.imgur.com/8sSxlyi.png)
Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: Cincydawg on January 19, 2021, 06:22:01 PM
Remembering Herschel's recruitment - SEC Blog- ESPN (https://www.espn.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/8998/remembering-herschels-recruitment)

Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 20, 2021, 09:23:37 AM
Remembering the SWC...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck6hujEjIPc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck6hujEjIPc)
Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 20, 2021, 09:24:20 AM
Being the actual bag man would be fun.  You're not the one getting in any trouble and you're directly helping your school get some talent.  
Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: FearlessF on January 20, 2021, 09:55:43 AM
I'd guess there is serious trouble if the bagman is caught red handed

even if it's only no more contact with the program

banned from tickets, games, any activities

seems the university could sue for damages

I know they never hold coaches accountable, just fire them, but it seems reasonable
Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: ELA on January 20, 2021, 10:23:56 AM
100%
Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: Cincydawg on January 20, 2021, 10:26:44 AM
If I'm a wealthy supporter, I'm not going to personally deliver bags of cash.

I'd have go betweens obviously, maybe two levels apart from me.  And the U isn't going to want to find out it was me that hard.  I'd be donating millions a year, or whatever.

Plausible deniability.

I recall some scheme where players stayed in town over the summer and were given "jobs" at car dealerships or whatever and they didn't have to show up, ever, but got paid handsomely.  There are a lot of ways to "influence" 19 year olds.
Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: ELA on January 20, 2021, 10:31:03 AM
If I'm a wealthy supporter, I'm not going to personally deliver bags of cash.

I'd have go betweens obviously, maybe two levels apart from me.  And the U isn't going to want to find out it was me that hard.  I'd be donating millions a year, or whatever.

Plausible deniability.

I recall some scheme where players stayed in town over the summer and were given "jobs" at car dealerships or whatever and they didn't have to show up, ever, but got paid handsomely.  There are a lot of ways to "influence" 19 year olds.
Ask badge how he does it.  Take em out on the boat, empty tackle box...
Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: Abba on January 20, 2021, 11:11:21 AM
So that's how Wisconsin got Quintez Cephus.
Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 20, 2021, 11:55:02 AM
Heh. Wisconsin was QC's only football offer. They flipped him from a basketball commitment from some small school.
Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 20, 2021, 12:12:43 PM
Ask badge how he does it.  Take em out on the boat, empty tackle box...
I thought that's how he erases people....but the tackle box isn't empty.
Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 20, 2021, 12:35:58 PM
I thought that's how he erases people....but the tackle box isn't empty.
Concrete shoes.
Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: Cincydawg on January 20, 2021, 12:42:12 PM
What would be your guess of how many upper levels recruits, say 4-5 star, sign due to impermissible benefits?

Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: FearlessF on January 20, 2021, 12:51:10 PM
I'm guessing and hoping the number is low.

Less than 10%
Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 20, 2021, 01:07:17 PM
50%
Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 20, 2021, 01:22:12 PM
Sometimes it is just obvious.

High four star NJ recruit. Top three are Penn State, Notre Dame and Michigan. Flips to Ole Miss on signing day.
Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: FearlessF on January 20, 2021, 01:38:38 PM
50%
so, Michigan and Ohio St are paying?

I'm guessing between the two, especially Ohio St., they account for almost 50% of 5 stars
Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: MrNubbz on January 20, 2021, 01:43:28 PM
Concrete shoes.
Some fashion sense you have It's cement slippers and show OAM the manhole covers err Mr T starter kit
Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: ELA on January 20, 2021, 01:58:34 PM
What would be your guess of how many upper levels recruits, say 4-5 star, sign due to impermissible benefits?


I think more due not to.  I don't think many sign because of an impermissible benefit, but I wonder how many rule a school out, because they didn't show the love.
Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: FearlessF on January 20, 2021, 02:27:26 PM
speaking of bag men and dirty recruiting and how many, what percent........

and it's inauguration day .....

what percent of congress is dirty?  taking money that isn't clean and they don't want voters to know about

and don't tell me 50%, one side of the aisle or the other
Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 20, 2021, 02:32:25 PM
99 percent.
Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: FearlessF on January 20, 2021, 02:36:41 PM
that's my guess

unfortunately
Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 20, 2021, 02:38:57 PM
Once the freshmen become indoctrinated, it goes to 100 percent.
Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: utee94 on January 20, 2021, 02:45:28 PM
Once the freshmen become indoctrinated, it goes to 100 percent.

I'm assuming the freshmen already took dirty money to get there.

It's 100%, absolutely.
Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 20, 2021, 02:49:24 PM
Probably. I was trying to be my optimistic self.
Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: ELA on January 20, 2021, 02:51:35 PM
I'm assuming the freshmen already took dirty money to get there.

It's 100%, absolutely.
Yeah, you can't even get close without it
Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: Cincydawg on January 20, 2021, 02:59:07 PM
what percent of congress is dirty?  taking money that isn't clean and they don't want voters to know about
I know a couple of them reasonably well, which is to say they know me and we correspond at times.  I really think many of them are well intentioned and "honest", but if they stay in office any length of time, that starts to change, at least their family members start to leverage the position.

I also think they are more likely to receive "benefits" than money.  For many, the money isn't really the issue, but "benefits" can be.  And of course after 2-4-6 years in office, they become lobbyists, or something similar.
Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: Cincydawg on January 20, 2021, 03:00:19 PM
If nearly every football player is on the take, at least the top tier ones, I would think the story would have broken in public by now, and not just one or two guys, it would be such common knowledge and many of them are not good at secrets.

Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: FearlessF on January 20, 2021, 03:52:06 PM
similar to the McDonalds bags?
Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: Honestbuckeye on January 21, 2021, 08:29:46 AM
so, Michigan and Ohio St are paying?

I'm guessing between the two, especially Ohio St., they account for almost 50% of 5 stars
PFF Draft (@PFF_College) Tweeted:
Most snaps played in the NFL this season:
1. Alabama - 24.9k
2. Ohio State - 18.6k
3. Florida - 16.1k
4. LSU - 15.5k
5. Clemson - 13.9k
6. Georgia - 13.1k
7. UCLA - 12.2k https://t.co/FSq3WYYAkg


ha! The NFL is the bag man in most cases.

if you read the Michigan boards you will learn that 80% of them think the only reason they can’t beat Ohio State is because Ohio State uses the bag man and Michigan doesn’t LOL.

15% of them think it’s because of officiating, and the last 5% believe it’s a Big Ten conspiracy theory.
Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: FearlessF on January 21, 2021, 08:54:30 AM
UCLA - 12.2k ??

that name doesn't fit with the others
Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 21, 2021, 09:24:39 AM


if you read the Michigan boards you will learn that 80% of them think the only reason they can’t beat Ohio State is because Ohio State uses the bag man and Michigan doesn’t LOL.

15% of them think it’s because of officiating, and the last 5% believe it’s a Big Ten conspiracy theory.

If we can ignore the rivalry aspect, they're ignoring which program would be more incentivized to cheat at the moment, lol.
Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: Cincydawg on January 22, 2021, 05:22:38 AM
Do we have clear evidence that paying recruits is wide spread?  Or is it conjecture and hearsay?  We know it HAPPENS, we have evidence for that.  Tennessee just admitted it, apparently, I'm not clear on all the details.

But, it's possible  these McDonald's bags only contained say $500, not really a sum sufficient to sway a player one way or the other if this is a competitive market.

I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: bayareabadger on January 22, 2021, 08:04:37 AM
PFF Draft (@PFF_College) Tweeted:
Most snaps played in the NFL this season:
1. Alabama - 24.9k
2. Ohio State - 18.6k
3. Florida - 16.1k
4. LSU - 15.5k
5. Clemson - 13.9k
6. Georgia - 13.1k
7. UCLA - 12.2k https://t.co/FSq3WYYAkg


ha! The NFL is the bag man in most cases.

if you read the Michigan boards you will learn that 80% of them think the only reason they can’t beat Ohio State is because Ohio State uses the bag man and Michigan doesn’t LOL.

15% of them think it’s because of officiating, and the last 5% believe it’s a Big Ten conspiracy theory.

Finally, a good argument why Alabama, LSU and Clemson are doing it the right way. 
Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: FearlessF on January 22, 2021, 08:39:56 AM
why leave Ohio St., Florida, and Georgia out of that statement?

sarcasm?
Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: bayareabadger on January 22, 2021, 09:05:45 AM
why leave Ohio St., Florida, and Georgia out of that statement?

sarcasm?

There might have been some tongue in cheek in there. 

I sidestepped OSU because that becomes a thing. UF is an interesting one because I always feel like their success outpaces their fan passion. I left out UGA because they were sixth on the list, though they probably fall closer to that Bama-LSU-Clemson trio in my thoughts on the matter. 
Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 22, 2021, 10:34:44 AM
Do we have clear evidence that paying recruits is wide spread?  Or is it conjecture and hearsay?  We know it HAPPENS, we have evidence for that.  Tennessee just admitted it, apparently, I'm not clear on all the details.

But, it's possible  these McDonald's bags only contained say $500, not really a sum sufficient to sway a player one way or the other if this is a competitive market.

I'm not sure.
If your host player tells you that you're getting $500 here, $1,000 there, whenever you need it, all throughout your career, let's say.....it might as well be a million bucks to a poor kid.
Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 22, 2021, 10:35:42 AM
There might have been some tongue in cheek in there.

I sidestepped OSU because that becomes a thing. UF is an interesting one because I always feel like their success outpaces their fan passion.

Huh?
Ask Urban about our fan passion.
Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 22, 2021, 11:51:29 AM
(https://static.simpsonswiki.com/images/thumb/3/37/Tapped_Out_Egg_Council_Guy_New_Character.png/300px-Tapped_Out_Egg_Council_Guy_New_Character.png)
Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: Cincydawg on January 22, 2021, 12:16:02 PM
When I was interviewing, we'd first interview on campus and then potentially "on site", a "plant trip".  I was excited to get plant trips, when they happened, but I discovered they took a lot of time I did not have.  When I collected three offers of employment, I quit interviewing just as the Big Oil companies came on campus.  Several other students informed me that when they got to their  hotel, there was $200 in cash in an envelop waiting for them for "expenses".

I was earning about $5 K a year, so $200 was a lot of money, I started to regret not going.

The next year was an economic recession and most of the folks than went with oil were laid off.
Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: bayareabadger on January 22, 2021, 03:09:29 PM
Huh?
Ask Urban about our fan passion.
Why? Because he was in the stadium when it was loud? 
Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 22, 2021, 04:42:04 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/YSt8aad.gif)
Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: FearlessF on January 26, 2021, 08:30:18 PM
Typically, when a university decides to part ways with a head football coach, it’s going to come with an expensive price tag. That’s not how it’s going to go down for Utah State and fired head coach Gary Andersen, though.

According to a report from Doug Robinson of the Deseret News, Andersen will not accept a $2.7 million paycheck that is owed to him from Utah State after being fired during the 2020 season. At the time of his termination, the former Aggies leader had three years remaining on his contract in which he was expected to earn about $900,000 per year.


Per Robinson, Andersen signed a separation agreement and Utah State will not be required to pay the nearly $3 million in buyout money to the head coach.

“He doesn’t think he’ll coach again, but he’ll probably do some camps and work with youth,” Robinson wrote. “He said several times that he has nothing but good wishes for Utah State and its football program and meant it. And that was that.”
Title: Re: Bag Men and Recruiting
Post by: bayareabadger on January 26, 2021, 08:35:30 PM
Typically, when a university decides to part ways with a head football coach, it’s going to come with an expensive price tag. That’s not how it’s going to go down for Utah State and fired head coach Gary Andersen, though.

According to a report from Doug Robinson of the Deseret News, Andersen will not accept a $2.7 million paycheck that is owed to him from Utah State after being fired during the 2020 season. At the time of his termination, the former Aggies leader had three years remaining on his contract in which he was expected to earn about $900,000 per year.


Per Robinson, Andersen signed a separation agreement and Utah State will not be required to pay the nearly $3 million in buyout money to the head coach.

“He doesn’t think he’ll coach again, but he’ll probably do some camps and work with youth,” Robinson wrote. “He said several times that he has nothing but good wishes for Utah State and its football program and meant it. And that was that.”
That's weird, though it's been pointed out, he's left a lot of folks out to dry.