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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: MaximumSam on January 13, 2021, 11:46:05 AM
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It's a big year for Ryan Day, as the team really turns over in his image and not Urban Meyer's, and Justin Fields almost certainly hits the NFL road. I am highly confused on the scholarship/eligibility rules after COVID for next year. As far as I know everyone is eligible to come back, which might make for a bit more parity next year as the big teams lose a bunch of guys and maybe the not so big teams keep a bunch a guys. We shall see.
Anyway, going through the roster and figuring out what it will look like. If everyone is eligible to come back then obviously a lot of guesswork here.
Quarterback:
Leaving:
Justin Fields almost certainly going to the NFL and will be a top ten pick. If you had to pickj one person most responsible for there even being a B1G season, you might land on Fields, who didn't need to play at all yet started a big petition to play that was supported by many players, dropping the bottom out of the justification the B1G put forth to not play. In any event, never quite won the big prize but you can't be dissatisfied with how good he was.
Gunnar Hoak was a local kid who transferred from Kentucky to fill out a sparse QB room. This year both other guys got snaps over him. He went through Senior Day and the OSU Twitter page thanked him for playing, so I assume that's it.
Returning:
C.J. Stroud was a late riser who went from a three star guy to a five star guy on 247, he was the first guy off the bench against Clemson when Fields got hurt. Is he the leader in the clubhouse for QB next year? I thought he kind of looked like Fields standing in the pocket, so maybe that will give him the edge.
Jack Miller: The first QB commit of the class, there has always been a bit of smoke on whether he would make good on coming to Columbus to compete with Stroud. In any event, he's still here and will be in the competition to start in the battle between two redshirt freshmen and a true freshman.
Kyle McCord is the true freshman, and another five star prospect on the composite. He is enrolling early so will be in the competition for starter and/or backup. It's a pretty important competition, as all these guys are young and it seems unlikely they will all stick around, especially with uber recruit Quinn Ewers on the horizon.
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Hoak will find his way back on the team as the third string QB, and then the top two QBs will suffer season ending injuries the second of which occurs in THE GAME, and then Hoak will come in off the bench and lead OSU to a comeback win like Haskins, and then go on a Cardale-esque tear through the post season with CJ Saunders playing the Devin Smith role, and they will beat an undefeated Wisconsin team 59-0 in the CCG, and then they will boat race Bama in the semifinals, and then in the NCG they will make Notre Dame wish that they were never even born, and all of the grass in Ohio will instantly transform into Shamrocks, and Dublin will erect statues of the duo next to their field of concrete corn.
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Only the grass is gonna be like
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I've got my money on CJ Stroud. Really liked him a lot. Was hoping that Michigan would land him.
Stroud will have a huge leg up on McCord just by getting that year of experience. Really rare for true freshman QBs to come in and play at a high level right away. Not saying McCord can't do it- but it's rare- and that year of experience gives Stroud the upperhand imo.
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I am highly confused on the scholarship/eligibility rules after COVID for next year. As far as I know everyone is eligible to come back, which means the big teams lose a bunch of guys and recruit some transfers with immediate eligibility off of the other P5 teams.
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I've got my money on CJ Stroud. Really liked him a lot. Was hoping that Michigan would land him.
Stroud will have a huge leg up on McCord just by getting that year of experience. Really rare for true freshman QBs to come in and play at a high level right away. Not saying McCord can't do it- but it's rare- and that year of experience gives Stroud the upperhand imo.
Yeah, he was MSU's 3rd choice at QB in the 2019 class, and at the time they offered, WSU was the only other P5 offer I believe. Maybe Cal? Once he blew up at Elite 11 and other schools came calling, that killed MSU's chances.
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But can they do that? I'm struggling with the scholarship cap here. Is it still a hard cap?
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my take is hard cap at 85 ships, except returning seniors
but, I haven't done much research
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Hoak will find his way back on the team as the third string QB, and then the top two QBs will suffer season ending injuries the second of which occurs in THE GAME, and then Hoak will come in off the bench and lead OSU to a comeback win like Haskins, and then go on a Cardale-esque tear through the post season with CJ Saunders playing the Devin Smith role, and they will beat an undefeated Wisconsin team 59-0 in the CCG, and then they will boat race Bama in the semifinals, and then in the NCG they will make Notre Dame wish that they were never even born, and all of the grass in Ohio will instantly transform into Shamrocks, and Dublin will erect statues of the duo next to their field of concrete corn.
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But can they do that? I'm struggling with the scholarship cap here. Is it still a hard cap?
Rules were made to be broken adjusted to benefit Ohio State.
-Barry Alvarez, probably
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Hey don't get in a snit because Dantonio put the torch to the program after backing up the trucks to the Treasurer's Office
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Shaun Wade says adios. I don't think returning worked out for him - as always, we shall see, but it feels like he would have been a first or second round pick last year, but came back to show he's a top five pick and ended up showing he's a third or fourth round pick. Not sure it wouldn't be better for him to come back to school, move back to a slot corner where he can blitz and play in the run game and show he's more of a playmaker again.
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Moving on to running backs:
Probably leaving:
Trey Sermon: What a crazy year. Did mostly nothing in his first few games. Looked like Walter Payton in the B1G Championship and against Clemson. Then got hurt on the first series against Alabama. I can only assume he is leaving given he's a running back and been in football a while, and if he does leave he will be in the OSU record books for most rushing yards in a game. He did go through Senior Day and accepted an invite to the Senior Bowl, though I'm unsure what his injury was.
Demario McCall: He's been around for five years and never quite made much of an impact. Despite being a fifth year senior, he didn't go through senior day, so I suppose he might come back for a sixth year to return kicks and what not. Anything is possible.
Probably returning:
Master Teague: Never quite got going as he recovered from an Achilles injury, and then when the running game got going he got a concussion and Trey Sermon got all the run. Then when Sermon was injured against Bama, he played the whole game but was mostly ineffective. He is eligible to go pro, and the running back room looks a bit crowded next year, so you never know how this will play out. But he would be the main returnee, so we will assume he comes back.
Steele Chambers: The redshirt frosh had 9 carries for 86 yards on the season, 8 of them early in the season, and he didn't play against Alabama or Clemson. Not sure why that happened other than he lost a fumble against Rutgers and only had one more carry after that game. He was also a linebacker prospect so It's not inconceivable he would get a look on defense.
Marcus Crowley: Another second year guy, he got some carries as a ture freshman, but battles injury and didn't get any carries until the Alabama game, where he had 6 carries for 14 yards in garbage time. Another guy who will probably take a long look at the room before deciding what to do, could be a transfer candidate.
Miyan Williams: A true freshman this past season, he got a few carries, most memorably looking like a bowling ball with legs against Clemson for a series. Would assume he is coming back to bowl over a few more guys.
Incoming:
TreVeyon Henderson: A five star prospect and top running back on 247, he may be with the team now as he planned to enroll early. (FYI, no idea what the NCAA is doing with winter and spring practice). Anyways, these guys typically don't come to a school to sit around and watch, so every expectation is that he will compete for the lead back role right away.
Evan Pryor: No slouch himself, Pryor was a top 100 recruit out of North Carolina. Probably too much to ask to see him getting carries with such a crowded room, may be more of a redshirt candidate. He does have a reputation as a pass catcher, though, which might get him on the field.
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I have to assume some of those RBs will transfer.
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Moving on to running backs:
Miyan Williams: A true freshman this past season, he got a few carries, most memorably looking like a bowling ball with legs against Clemson for a series. Would assume he is coming back to bowl over a few more guys.
I like this kid he keeps grinding and seemed to hit the hole quick.Hope his taste of the 1st team keeps him working hard
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Shaun Wade says adios. I don't think returning worked out for him - as always, we shall see, but it feels like he would have been a first or second round pick last year, but came back to show he's a top five pick and ended up showing he's a third or fourth round pick. Not sure it wouldn't be better for him to come back to school, move back to a slot corner where he can blitz and play in the run game and show he's more of a playmaker again.
He’s projected in Moe’s mock drafts as a second round. They were still tremendous appeal for him because he could play slot corner in the NFL or safety and can be taught to play corner with some time to develop which he did not have this year at all. I think it’s the right move
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I think it's best for both parties for Wade to go pro. I wish him well, but it's time for some fresh blood back there.
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Wade’s stock was hot, made the mistake of coming back.
If you’re a projected 1st rd pick, go. You can only get injured or hurt your stock coming back.
Matt Barkley went from oh he’s definitely the #1 pick to a 4th rounder by coming back I believe.
When the iron is hot, you have to strike it. No doubt in my mind if Mark Sanchez had come back same thing would’ve happened to him. He left early and struck while it was hot and went #5 overall.
Longer you play the more flaws they have to find on you. And that’s all they do is look for flaws.
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Punter Drue Chrisman and center Josh Myers declare for the draft.
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Wade’s stock was hot, made the mistake of coming back.
If you’re a projected 1st rd pick, go. You can only get injured or hurt your stock coming back.
Matt Barkley went from oh he’s definitely the #1 pick to a 4th rounder by coming back I believe.
When the iron is hot, you have to strike it. No doubt in my mind if Mark Sanchez had come back same thing would’ve happened to him. He left early and struck while it was hot and went #5 overall.
Longer you play the more flaws they have to find on you. And that’s all they do is look for flaws.
I often agree with this, but with a caveat. I think there's also the process they go through. Like was Barkley actually the No. 1 prospect, or was he just hyped by draft websites? And if he went through the draft process, would that just expose his flaws anyway? (There's also the obvious caveat, you have to play well. Barkley threw 15 picks his last year and the team overall got worse)
I really do like the NFL's current system. Kids get grades, first round, second round, lower than that. Make the choice off that. If you know your situation will be worse or your flaws are not fixable with more experience, make your own choice.
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Thayer Munford announces he is coming back (this is a surprise)
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Kicker Blake Haubeil is leaving
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Receivers:
Probably Leaving:
Chris Olave: Led the team in receiving and will always have that awesome touchdown against Clemson. Probably declaring for the draft, even though the receiver class is stacked this year, no real reason to think he'll improve a lot on staying another year. (Edit: he didn't leave)
Mookie Cooper: Entered the portal and transferred to Mizzou.
Probably staying:
Garrett Wilson: Moved to the slot this year and it was really just him and Olave catching passes for much of the season. Seems likely to stay in the slot with the talent OSU has on the outside, no reason to expect much of a drop off from him.
Jameson Williams: The thought was this speedster would make a big impact this year starting opposite Willson and Olave. And...not so much. He did have some big plays but only had nine catches. With the competition fierce he'll have a battle to hold on to a starting spot.
Julian Fleming: Big time recruit who got one start in place of a COVID stricken Olave. Finished with 7 catches for 74 yards and never showed a ton of big play potential, though not a lot of opportunity either. Going to compete to be a starter next year.
Jaxon Smith-Njigba: Seemed like the freshman the coaches likes the most, though that's based mostly on my recollection because I can't find overall snap counts. In any event, finished with 10 catches for 49 yards but will be a big part of what they do next year.
Gee Scott: Another one of their freshman, he didn't record a catch but did get some snaps early in the season. I hadn't been certain he saw the field at all but he did.
Kamryn Babb: Babb has battled injury for much of his career, but did see a bit of action this year, and got some action in the B1G championship game. He also did not record a catch this year.
Ellijah Gardiner: I suppose? I can't find any record that played this year, but as far as I can tell he's still on the team.
Newcomers:
Emeka Egbuka: The #1 receiver prospect in the nation coming out of Washington. Have to imagine he will get some looks and might back up Wilson in the slot.
Jayden Ballard: Another top 100 prospect, he was the top receiver in Ohio but my take he is will probably develop for a year before seeing the field.
Marvin Harrison, Jr.: Another top 100 prospect, this is the son of, you guessed it, Marvin Harrison. Looks like a guy who is predictably advanced in his skills, but might benefit from some time in the weight room. Looks to be a big body possession receiver, so a bit of bulk might do him right.
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At least on paper prolly the most complete/talented position on the Team
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Who will start at QB? I presume it won't be Fields.
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Is Saunders gone?
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running back Trey Sermon announced today that he is declaring for the 2021 NFL Draft.
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So the school record is gonna be held by a RB that was never on an OSU team that played Michigan, which makes it sound as though it happened in the Eighteen-Dicketies.
Another great trivia question.
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Is Saunders gone?
Think so - he appealed for a sixth year last year but it was denied.
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Well that explains why he didn't play much this year. O0
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Who will start at QB? I presume it won't be Fields.
Pretty open right now. I would guess CJ Stroud, but could also be Jack Miller or Kyle McCord.
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Tight ends:
Well, this is a total crapshoot. Luke Farrell and Jake Hausmann are both fifth year seniors. Farrell had five receptions for 5 receptions for 37 yards and Haussman had 1 reception for 13 yards. Both these guys were on NFL radars before the season started (Farrell more so than Haussman) but it's difficult to tell where they stand now. They both went through Senior Day, but so did Thayer Munford, who is coming back.
Jeremy Ruckert also has a decision to make. He is much more of an NFL prospect, but given guys like Pitts and Freiermuth are out there, would he be better served trying to come back and have a bigger year in the offense? He has first round pick ability, but didn't have first round production. If the other guys leave he is clearly the dude and might be in line for a big year, though tight end production has been a bit of the elusive goose for OSU. (Edit: he came back)
All of these guys could leave, and if so they will be very green. Cade Stover has played a couple snaps at tight end as a redshirt freshman. He was a four star linebacker recruit, so...Also in the mix is Joe Royer, who was a true freshman this past year and was a three star prospect. Incoming is three star prospect Sam Hart. So, OSU could really use one and maybe two of those vets to stick around.
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Offensive Line
Probably leaving:
Josh Myers: Declared for the draft.
Wyatt Davis: Expected to declare for the draft. Only caveat is that he sustained an injury against Alabama of uncertain seriousness.
Gavin Cupp: He's a redshirt senior who has rarely played, so not sure he'd want to come back or that they want him to come back.
Probably staying:
There's too many guys to talk about, so I'll list what I think is the starting five next year.
LT: Thayer Munford - Announced his return for a fifth year. Has had injury issues but was very good this past year.
LG: Matthew Jones - Took over for Harry Miller so giving him the nod here
C: Harry Miller - Was a five star prospect who didn't look like he could snap when he got a game at center, but everyone seems to think he's the man here.
RG: Paris Johnson - A five star tackle prospect who isn't going to be backup
RT: Nicholas Petite-Frere - He is eligible for the draft and has the talent to leave, though it's expected he will come back
Backups: Dawand Jones will be the main backup, he played a lot this year. Max Wray is also a tackle backup. Third year guys are Enokk Vihami and Ryan Jacoby, both four star prospects. Second year guys are Luke Wypler, Grant Toutant, Josh Fryar, Jakob James, and Trey Leroux. All but Wypler were three star guys.
Incoming
The big dude is Donovan Jackson, a five star guard prospect out of Texas who many think could compete for a starting spot on day one. He could get some playing time at left guard or at right guard if Petite-Frere leave. They have a couple four star prospects coming in with Ben Christman and Zen Michalski, though it would be surprising if they played much.
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Fields declares, to the shock of everyone
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I like Fields, a lot, I liked him at UGA, I think he has toughness (duh) and character (blocking downfield). I'm curious how he will fare in the NFL.
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Fields would be my pick of QBs in the draft.
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TE Ruckert coming back.
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Baron Browning says adios
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You're shyting me,I thought this was only his 2nd year,time flies
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Olave is coming back.
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Olave is coming back.
That's pretty shocking
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That's pretty shocking
Yeah, I thought he would be gone for sure. I don't really know what more he has to prove, but glad to have him back.
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Me too- but transfers coming. Too many 5 stars waiting that can play now.
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bama, clemson, and THE Ohio State will have new QBs next year, I think Oklahoma (?) and A&M as well, among highly ranked teams.
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sooners return the rattler
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Togiai says adios, Tyreke Smith coming back
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Jonathan Cooper says adios
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Wyatt Davis headed to the NFL too
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OU should be good, I think, I'm generally impressed preseason with teams with solid experienced QBs returning.
I guess we all are.
I've seen some "rankings" and they look like the final rankings jiggled a bit, as usual, teams like CC and Cincy ranked very highly.
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OU should be good, I think, I'm generally impressed preseason with teams with solid experienced QBs returning.
Maybe this will be OU's year. I feel like the "Big Three" of Bama, Clemson, and tOSU are all losing a lot. Unless there is another LSU type surprise* this might be OU's best shot.
LSU Surprise:
The Tigers went 13-1 in 2011 and near-missed the NC with a 9-6 win over Bama in Tuscaloosa and a 21-0 loss to Bama in the NCG. Then from 2012 through 2018 they lost three (4x), four (2x), or five games per season and never sniffed the CFP. Then they had that dominant 2019 National Championship team that flat dominated their opponents en route to 15-0 and in 2020 they fell back to a five-loss team.
With all of the losses that Bama, tOSU, and Clemson are going to suffer I think there is a pretty good chance that at least one of them will miss the CFP altogether and a solid chance that none of the three will be as strong as Bama (or even tOSU) was this year. They might not even be as strong as Clemson was this year and that would really open the door for someone else . . . Georgia? LSU? Oklahoma?
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The common theme I see of late in the elite teams is a top tier QB. If you don't have one, you simply can't score with teams that do. A great defense is not going to hold.
So you end up looking like Georgia, a pretty good team lacking that top tier QB.
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The common theme I see of late in the elite teams is a top tier QB. If you don't have one, you simply can't score with teams that do. A great defense is not going to hold.
So you end up looking like Georgia, a pretty good team lacking that top tier QB.
Agreed.
Ohio State will be pretty much loaded next year. Offensive Line, WRs, RBs, TEs- but how much development time will the QB get in spring, fall camp and OOC games this year?
The lack thereof KILLED them this season with respect to the secondary. They played their base almost exclusively with no time to set up and develop the nickel packages or other semi- exotic coverages they needed.
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Togiai says adios, Tyreke Smith coming back
Damn,rosters are becoming so transient,we hardly knew ye Tom - Good Luck
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Maybe this will be OU's year. I feel like the "Big Three" of Bama, Clemson, and tOSU are all losing a lot.I think there is a pretty good chance that at least one of them will miss the CFP altogether Unless there is another LSU type surprise* this might be OU's best shot.
Yup could be OU/Cajans year.According to 11 Warriors all of Clemson starters on Defense are returning.They weren't great but it certainly can't hurt them with more PT under their belt
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The offense is pretty loaded - they need one of the QBs to be good, but that is always the case. Clemson and Bammer won a championship with young QBs playing a pretty big role, so it's not unheard of. The defense, OTOH, looks pretty shaky.
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Day becomes the first OSU HC to go undefeated back to back regular seasons since..... Urban Meyer, 2012 and 13.
Does anyone know the last time it happened before that?
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Defensive line
Gone:
Jonathan Cooper and Tommy Togiai have declared. Togiai is the biggest hit because he was pretty strong and it doesn't feel like there is as strong a replacement on the roster. Cooper had a strong senior season which is nice to see after he battled injury for much of his career.
Unclear of the situation of Antwuan Jackson. He went through Senior Day and my assumption is anyone going through Senior Day isn't planning on coming back unless they say so, and he hasn't said so. But there looks to be a spot there for him if he wants to return. (Edit: he did return)
Back:
Defensive end is pretty loaded. Zach Harrison and Tyreke Smith come back as the clear cut starters, and they are a pretty daggum good pair. Backing them up is Javonte Jean-Baptiste and Tyler Friday, who are both experienced guys who would start for a lot of teams. They have always rotated in at least four guys, so expect that to continue. Behind them are youngsters Noah Potter and tight end convert Cormontae Hamilton. Also in the mix will be true freshman uber recruit Jack Sawyer, the fourth ranked recruit in the nation. As Woody Hayes said, "if you've got a big gun, use it" so expect to see him out there. They also have a shot at the 3rd ranked recruit, J.T. Tuimoloau.
Tackle is a little bit more unsure. The good news is they return Haskell Garrett, who survived a gunshot to the face to have a great season (Edit: I've read he was returning, but I've also read he's still thinking about it, needless to say, him leaving too would be a blow). Losing Togiai is a blow, though, and we'll see how they replace him. Taron Vincent is a former five star prospect who will hopefully develop into that ranking. Jerron Cage is an experienced DT who got plenty of run against Alabama when Togiai was out. Ty Hamilton seems to be the top guy of the rest, which includes Darrion Henry-Young, Jacolbe Cowan, and Jaden McKenzie.
They have a couple freshmen that might get some run. Mike Hall is a top 50 prospect, while Tyliek Williams is a mammoth out of Virginia who already looks like the biggest DT on the team.
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The offense is pretty loaded - they need one of the QBs to be good, but that is always the case. Clemson and Bammer won a championship with young QBs playing a pretty big role, so it's not unheard of. The defense, OTOH, looks pretty shaky.
You referring to tOSU? - then IMO you're right
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Speak of the devil - Jackson is coming back
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Speak of the devil - Jackson is coming back
Hoping, not with optimism, Garrett returns.
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Hoping, not with optimism, Garrett returns.
Hope with optimism - he's back
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Shocking how many guys are coming back. Feeling pretty good about next year. Just gotta find a QB and have Cam and Kourt get healthy to help the secondary.
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Hope with optimism - he's back
That is the best news. He is for real!!
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So, pretty much every position up to now has been in pretty good shape, with the biggest question mark being quarterback, though that's a position well stocked with prospects. Now we turn to the shaky portion of the team, the back seven.
Linebackers:
Probably leaving:
Pete Werner, Tuf Borland, Baron Browning, and Justin Hilliard are all seniors and all likely to sail off into the NFL sunset. I believe only Werner hasn't announced in one way or another but no one expects him back. And that is a lot. For context, that's 4 of their top 5 tackles last year, 3 of the top 6 in 2019, and 2 of the top four in 2018. OSU was playing a 4-4-3 against Alabama entirely because they had four senior linebackers who could play (just not play much with Bama). The position is going to look entirely different next year.
Probably staying:
Teradja Mitchell is probably where we start. His name has gotten mention for years but has just been beaten out by the guys ahead of him. Now there isn't anyone ahead of him, so it would be surprising if he wasn't starting. The team does have two other senior linebackers in Dallas Gant and K'Vaughan Pope. Gant has gotten some snaps, Pope not so much.
Assuming Gant and Mitchell start next year, the third guy might be either Craig Young or Cody Simon. Young was a track star who didn't know how to play football, while Simon was a top 100 recruit who was a true freshman last year. Also in the mix is thumper Tommy Eichenberg and Mitchell Melton. OSU has incoming top 100 recruit Reid Carrico (shout out to Ironton) coming in as well.
The other part of this is that OSU has been recruiting safeties more with an eye towards playing them in a linebacker or hybrid role, but for now I'll treat the safeties as safeties and mention them with defensive backs.
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Some smoke out there that Elias Ricks, a former five star corner and freshman at LSU, might transfer to OSU
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Werner officially says adios
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Some smoke out there that Elias Ricks, a former five star corner and freshman at LSU, might transfer to OSU
Find that hard to believe considering LSU hooked up his family with housing and jobs and helped them relocate from California to Louisiana.
LSU got the receipts on him if he tries to go anywhere.
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I'm curious how the OSU OL will shake out. I'm assuming these spots are locked up:
LT Munford
C Miller
RG Matthew Jones
RT Petit-Frere
Then you have two guys who came in as tackles in Dawand Jones and Paris Johnson Jr. who need to get on the field. These are the next 2 top guys, probably by a wide margin, so you have to start one of them. The big question then is who starts and will that guy play LG or will they play LT and slide Munford to LG?
We only saw a glimpse of PJJ at guard against Clemson and he flashed big time. It's a small sample size, but sliding him in at LG would be my choice based on my limited data.
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I'm worried about the C position, if we are penciling in Miller.
Dude couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, snapping the football.
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I think Paris Johnson is a lock at one of the guard spots. I agree on Miller - he couldn't snap and at guard it seemed like he was good for a handful of boneheaded plays every game.
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Alright, Marotti's safe. Urban hires Anthony Schlegel as his strength and conditioning coach. :great:
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Mattison retires
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Mattison retires
He's one of the best DL coaches/recruiters ever. Still can't believe he left Michigan for Ohio State. Bastage.
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Defensive Backs
This is a pretty tough position to project, both based on numbers and on an unknown on what OSU looks like. Ryan Day wanted a Cover 1/Cover 3 system, and hired Greg Mattison for that. Mattison is gone, and Kerry Coombs isn't committed to that system, and we don't know who Ryan Day will hire. So, who knows. But we endeavor.
Corners:
Sevyn Banks is the surest thing, as he started opposite the departing Shaun Wade and while he had ups and downs is a good guy to have coming back. Opposite him is a mystery. Cam Brown gets penciled in as he would have been the guy, but did suffer an Achilles injury and is a question mark until he is healthy. Marcus Williamson played the second most snaps of returning guys, but wasn't particularly great in slot coverage. Tyreke Johnson was a five star prospect but really hasn't shown that on the field and has barely played.
Young guys might get a shot. Lejond Cavanos and Ryan Watts were four star types who got some snaps as true freshmen. They also have a couple top 100 types coming in Jakailin Johnson and Jordan Hancock. While typically I wouldn't predict those kinds of guys to play right away, this position is a bit of a mess, and young guys can play. They simply don't have guys who have shown they can cover in press man, which is important if you system revolves around having guys who can play press man.
Safeties
Part of this is pretty easy. While Marcus Hooker started the season as the single high safety, he didn't look much like his brother and Josh Proctor eventually became the guy. However, I don't know that they like either guy as the main center fielder of the defense, so keep an eye on second year guy Lathan Ransom, who was getting snaps by the end of the season. Also in the mix are Ronnie Hickman and Bryson Shaw.
Finally, Kourt Williams is a guy everyone thinks will play somewhere next year, though he could move up to a Pete Werner type coverage linebacker or he could be in the mix on the back end. Once we figure out what kind of defense we will play, I suppose it will be a bit easier.
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Good Post,I'd shove Coombs back to DB coach - he's no DC.Didn't even attempt to adapt when Bama was loading up on speed.He always came across as a motivator and not an Xs & Os guy
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Good Post,I'd shove Coombs back to DB coach - he's no DC.Didn't even attempt to adapt when Bama was loading up on speed.He always came across as a motivator and not an Xs & Os guy
I felt the same during the game, though reading about it after the fact I'm cutting him some slack. The back end sucked for reasons that had nothing to do with him, and I heard somewhere they had like one padded practice between Clemson and Bama has COVID threw them out of whack.
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I get that the DBs was an empty shell for the most part.Still would have like to see some creative adjustments.Grab every DB off the bench and sit some LBs but seemingly didn't shuffle the deck at all
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The LBs were the only healthy position group on D. Sitting them would have made their situation worse, not better.
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Though I do agree that Coombs isn't DC material.
Honestly a bit of a red flag that Day thought that would be a good idea.
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I get that the DBs was an empty shell for the most part.Still would have like to see some creative adjustments. Grab every DB off the bench and sit some LBs but seemingly didn't shuffle the deck at all
What are you talking about? OSU made multiple adjustments on D during that game. Alabama, just had speed/talent everywhere, and was able to continue to score even with the adjustments made. I remember Herbie showing OSU in a Bear Defense (?!?!), and saying they might was well try it, VT used it well against OSU. Herbie commented on the 3-5 OSU switched to in the 2nd half; saying OSU was trying to get more speed on the field. I saw numerous zones, and different fronts offered most of the game. Literally 'bama baited OSU's defense into playing a reaction game instead of imposing their will. Simple motion pre-snap showed if OSU was playing man on Smith, or zone, then they would either flood a side to force a mismatch, or plop him into the zones hole. It was a thing of beauty to watch Alabama exert their will in that game. Yes OSU could have done better; It could have been the missing starters on the line, outmatched secondary, or out coached Coombs; there were lots of reasons OSU started the game in a hole.
Really 'bama was just that good. I read someone where that their 2 deep is projected to have 42 (of 44) players drafted in the next three years. OSU had 65 guys suited up for the game 'bama had 102. OSU has a really good coaching staff, Alabama is a better one. OSU is top 3 in recruiting. Alabama is #1. The best team won.
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I felt the same during the game, though reading about it after the fact I'm cutting him some slack. The back end sucked for reasons that had nothing to do with him, and I heard somewhere they had like one padded practice between Clemson and Bama has COVID threw them out of whack.
Bingo. Did everyone see the various film study breakdown of the Bama game? It explains much of this.
not only did they not have a chance to practice and install the needed nuances to their standard single high safety-cover 3 look, they had no chance in the spring either- let alone OOC games to test them. Losing Cam Brown was a killer, as well as the two idiots (Riep and Wint) in the spring.
you don’t lose 3 NFL starters (Fuller, Okudah and Arnette), lose spring practice, lose 2 expierienced contributors(Riep and Wint) lose a presumed starter to injury in game 1 ( Cam Brown), play half a schedule with interruptions - and then expect the coach to produce NC caliber outcomes ( maybe playoff wins against the best QB is being ignored).
The criticism of Coombs is premature at best.
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The spring game was today. I was at my parents and kind of half watching.
- All three QBs rotated in and out. Stroud and McCord looked pretty good, Miller was ok.
- Receivers all looked great, including the freshmen
- Freshman DE Jack Sawyer was the truth - had four sacks
- Bucks defense spent most of the day in the nickel. Probably not a lot of 4-4-3 this year
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Tressel had by far the best Spring Game format of all the HCs from John Cooper to the present.
Day is a distant last, in that particular category. That was pretty lame.
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I kind of like the way Day ran the game. He has 3 QB's that have never thrown a pass in a college football game and therefore need to see different looks. Also, you need to give all three the benefit of working with the players most likely to see the field this year.
We need to remember that the Spring game is nothing but a glorified practice. It is a chance for the coaches to evaluate players in a game simulation. It also allows the players to get a sense of an actual game experience with no chance of getting a mark in the loss column.
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Game situation? They didn't even keep score or run the clock in the second half.
We got to watch them practice. There was no spring game.
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Game situation? They didn't even keep score or run the clock in the second half.
We got to watch them practice. There was no spring game.
I guess it depends on what your expectations are. Personally, I don't mind watching a practice/scrimmage. I am getting to see some of the back ups and what they are capable of. I am more interested in how well the team does this fall, not how much of a game like situation we get to see in April.
But from a strategic standpoint, Day did what he believed was best for the upcoming season. Having a team without an experienced QB, he has to tailor the limited time he has to get some quality reps for the potential candidates and be able to evaluate how each performed. I am all for doing whatever it takes to get the team ready for the fall.
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Yeah, I mean I am not suggesting that Day should be fired because his spring game format sucks, or anything like that. I'm just making an observation.
In the grand scheme of things the spring game is pretty irrelevant, but it is all that we have cfb-wise between January and September. So an entertaining spring game format would obviously be preferable to one that is as bland as beige paint. Now I know that the days of full on tackle football in the spring game are behind us, and rightfully so, but you can still play an actual game with the "thud tackling" that they are doing instead.
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Breaking down the history of the spring game formats, as far back as I can remember
John Cooper: They played an actual football game. The 1s and 3s were on "Scarlet" while the 2s and deep reserves were on "Grey." At the time it was somewhat maddening that he had the first team offense and defense on the same team instead of going up against each other, as the games would often just be absolute blowouts with the 1s going against the 2s both ways. But today I would sign up for this in a heartbeat, even with the thud tackling.
Jim Tressel: His spring game format was the best one. He divided up the coaching staff and captains, and they would draft teams position by position, and they would generally be evenly matched and you would have good games. The winner got steak, while the loser got hot dogs, iirc.
Urban Meyer: This was the best as far as pure Buckeye entertainment value, not so much for the game itself, but because of the circus atmosphere around it. You had circle drills, and races, and alumni, and distance throwing contests, and everything else. As for the game itself, this was where it began to get a little to practice-y for my liking. Players were switching teams constantly, and FGs were kicked five times in a row moving back incrementally while Urban hoovers over the holder and glares at the kicker, and the clock never stopped running after halftime. But again, sign me up for that all day long over what we had over the weekend. At least they kept score.
Now if I were the unquestioned ruler of CFB, I would eliminate FBS-FCS match ups in the fall, and then require them for spring games. So OSU would bring in Youngstown or whoever else, and play an actual game with the works; fans, bands, cheerleaders, etc.
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https://twitter.com/joeyrkaufman/status/1397721395879202818?s=19
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https://twitter.com/11W/status/1399873866332311552?s=20
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I kind of like the way Day ran the game. He has 3 QB's that have never thrown a pass in a college football game and therefore need to see different looks. Also, you need to give all three the benefit of working with the players most likely to see the field this year.
We need to remember that the Spring game is nothing but a glorified practice. It is a chance for the coaches to evaluate players in a game simulation. It also allows the players to get a sense of an actual game experience with no chance of getting a mark in the loss column.
The more I watch them, the more I believe it's just a thing to show recruits. You can make a big to-do for a bunch of HS kids and make fans feel like they're learning a little something.
I'm never sure if the coaches get much less or more meaning out of them than a regular practice. Coaches like to talk about how it's a game day setting, but the list of kids who show something in spring games and are never anything runs miles long.
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https://twitter.com/11W/status/1399873866332311552?s=20
He was actually a great route runner and pass catcher. He would often flash when the ball went his way. He just couldn't get on the field as much due mostly to injuries, but also he wasn't a great blocker in the run game.
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Nebraska hosted an Ohio State transfer defensive back on campus Thursday as it looks to add depth to its secondary.
Tyreke Johnson, a former five-star recruit from Jacksonville (Florida) Trinity Christian Academy, has NU among his top options, according to a source familiar with Johnson’s recruitment.
Johnson (6-foot-1, 190 pounds) was in the 2018 recruiting class. He had eight tackles over three seasons at OSU and entered the transfer portal in May. He attended the same high school that produced current Husker safety Deontai Williams.
Johnson would be another piece in a Husker secondary that lost three of its 2020 recruits to transfers within months of their arrival.
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what do y'all think of this kid?
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Nebraska hosted an Ohio State transfer defensive back on campus Thursday as it looks to add depth to its secondary.
Tyreke Johnson, a former five-star recruit from Jacksonville (Florida) Trinity Christian Academy, has NU among his top options, according to a source familiar with Johnson’s recruitment.
Johnson (6-foot-1, 190 pounds) was in the 2018 recruiting class. He had eight tackles over three seasons at OSU and entered the transfer portal in May. He attended the same high school that produced current Husker safety Deontai Williams.
Johnson would be another piece in a Husker secondary that lost three of its 2020 recruits to transfers within months of their arrival.
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what do y'all think of this kid?
He is definitely starting Big Ten material. He just never lived up to the huge hype that came with him and he got behind some first round NFL draft picks. I think a fresh start will do him a lot of good.
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Nebraska hosted an Ohio State transfer defensive back on campus Thursday as it looks to add depth to its secondary.
Tyreke Johnson, a former five-star recruit from Jacksonville (Florida) Trinity Christian Academy, has NU among his top options, according to a source familiar with Johnson’s recruitment.
Johnson (6-foot-1, 190 pounds) was in the 2018 recruiting class. He had eight tackles over three seasons at OSU and entered the transfer portal in May. He attended the same high school that produced current Husker safety Deontai Williams.
Johnson would be another piece in a Husker secondary that lost three of its 2020 recruits to transfers within months of their arrival.
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what do y'all think of this kid?
Hard to say - he never played much. Probably says something that OSU was putting Tuf Borland out there in a 4-4-3 against Alabama rather than play 4 or 5 defensive backs.
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Michigan wants to know what are their players doing to beat Ohio State today? New sign in their weight room.
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Michigan wants to know what are their players doing to beat Ohio State today? New sign in their weight room.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3XNtNzUYAknAs7?format=jpg&name=small)
They could hire Jeff Gillooly.
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Former OSU stars Braxton Miller, Troy Smith to attempt pioneering IMG Academy style school in Ohio
https://saturdaytradition.com/ohio-state-football/former-osu-stars-braxton-miller-troy-smith-to-attempt-pioneering-img-academy-style-school-in-ohio/?fbclid=IwAR0bdaB50Y0If5ngxoNaqpObvSjgieo61Z68Ao2B0YYy80XBjZqeNqJeanc (https://saturdaytradition.com/ohio-state-football/former-osu-stars-braxton-miller-troy-smith-to-attempt-pioneering-img-academy-style-school-in-ohio/?fbclid=IwAR0bdaB50Y0If5ngxoNaqpObvSjgieo61Z68Ao2B0YYy80XBjZqeNqJeanc)
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It's actually not a sign, it is a flat screen TV that displays the graphics like that when it isn't showing anything.
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Former five-star defensive back Tyreke Johnson will join the Husker program, taking up one of two spots Nebraska had open.
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https://twitter.com/BarstoolOSU/status/1406624815314878467?s=20
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#1 2021 recruit JT Tuilomoau commits to the Buckeyes out of Washington. Defensive end.
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BOOM!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgQT_boMkzk
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https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football-recruiting/2021/07/123392/by-the-numbers-why-ohio-state-s-2021-recruiting-class-got-that-much-better-after-jt-tuimoloau-s-decision
Ohio State has signed more five-stars than the rest of the Big Ten combined in the past decade. The Buckeyes’ dominance of the Big Ten is no secret. But the gap in talent between them and the rest of the conference has only grown in recent years. Between the 2012 and 2021 classes – a decade-long span of time encapsulating both the Meyer and Day tenures – Ohio State has signed 27 five-star recruits and the other 13 Big Ten teams have signed 24 five-stars. The on-field curb-stomping of the rest of the Big Ten is no accident given what happens off of it.
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https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football-recruiting/2021/07/123392/by-the-numbers-why-ohio-state-s-2021-recruiting-class-got-that-much-better-after-jt-tuimoloau-s-decision
Ohio State has signed more five-stars than the rest of the Big Ten combined in the past decade. The Buckeyes’ dominance of the Big Ten is no secret. But the gap in talent between them and the rest of the conference has only grown in recent years. Between the 2012 and 2021 classes – a decade-long span of time encapsulating both the Meyer and Day tenures – Ohio State has signed 27 five-star recruits and the other 13 Big Ten teams have signed 24 five-stars. The on-field curb-stomping of the rest of the Big Ten is no accident given what happens off of it.
Fellow Ohio State fans, we are living in amazing times. Following up on Ty's post:
2021 per Scout:
- tOSU is #1 in the B1G by a LARGE margin over M. The margin is so large that #2 M is closer to #7 Iowa than they are to #1 tOSU.
- Nine 5* recruits signed with B1G schools; six with tOSU and one each with M, UW, and UMD.
2022 per Scout:
- tOSU is #1 in the B1G by a LARGE margin over PSU. The margin is so large that #2 PSU is closer to #4 RU than they are to #1 tOSU.
- Five 5* recruits signed with B1G schools; four with tOSU and one with M.
2020 per Scout:
- tOSU was #1 in the B1G by a LARGE margin over M. The margin is so large that #2 M is closer to #5 UW than they are to #1 tOSU.
- Four 5* recruits signed with B1G schools; three with tOSU and one with UMD.
2019 per Scout:
- tOSU was #3 in the B1G behind #1 M and #2 PSU but note that tOSU had the highest average in the league. The Buckeyes were third only because they had less recruits (17) than #2 PSU (23) and #1 M (26).
- Seven 5* recruits signed with B1G schools; three with tOSU, two with M, and one each with PSU and UW.
2018 per Scout:
- tOSU was #1 in the B1G by a significant but not huge margin over #2 PSU. After PSU there was a HUGE gap before #3 M.
- Six 5* recruits signed with B1G schools; three each with tOSU and PSU.
2017 per Scout:
- tOSU was #1 in the B1G over #2 M. After M there was a HUGE gap before #3 PSU.
- Eight 5* recruits signed with B1G schools; five with tOSU, two with M, and one with Iowa.
The talent gap between tOSU and the rest of the B1G is enormous:
(https://i.imgur.com/VfFufX5.png)
For the 2017-2021 classes the Buckeyes have 20 5* recruits, the rest of the B1G combined have 14.
Doing more with less:
- Wisconsin: Give credit to the Badgers. Their recruiting isn't anything to write home about but they are consistently one of the best teams in the league.
Doing less with more:
- Michigan: The recruiting rankings suggest that Michigan should be tOSU's closest competitor in the league . . .
- Maryland: They shouldn't be a bottom-feeder with their recruits.
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Where was all that talent on the 49-20 night?
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Where was all that talent on the 49-20 night?
OSU version of charity work
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Where was all that talent on the 49-20 night?
I know you already know this (smart ass) but talent doesn't guarantee a win EVERY time, what it does is make wins a lot more likely in the aggregate. Ie, in the last four years tOSU has finished:
- 5-0, won B1GCG in 2020
- 9-0, won B1GCG in 2019
- 8-1, won B1GCG in 2018 but lost 49-20 to PU
- 8-1, won B1GCG in 2017
While Purdue has finished:
- 2-4 in 2020
- 3-6 in 2019
- 5-4 in 2018
- 4-5 in 2017
Purdue pulled off a monumental upset in 2018 but . . .
Purdue has an odd knack for defeating obviously superior tOSU teams. The boilermakers won the last game (the 49-20 game that you referenced in 2018), two of the last four, and three of the last six. Oddly, Purdue can't seem to translate that into beating other teams. From 2009-present the Boilermakers are 3-3 against the Buckeyes. For comparison:
- Michigan State is 3-6
- Iowa is 1-3
- Penn State is 2-9
- Nebraska is 1-5
- Wisconsin is 1-9
- Michigan is 1-10
- Northwestern is 0-4
- Minnesota is 0-5
- Rutgers is 0-6
- Maryland is 0-6
- Illinois is 0-8
- Indiana is 0-11
Despite having a VASTLY better record against Ohio State than any other B1G team over the last 12 years, the Boilermakers only have a winning record against one B1G team over that timeframe:
- .636, 7-4 vs IL
- .500, 3-3 vs tOSU
- .500, 1-1 vs UMD
- .455, 5-6 vs IU
- .429, 3-4 vs UNL
- .333, 3-6 vs IA
- .300, 3-7 vs MN
- .250, 2-5 vs NU
- .200, 1-4 vs M
- .000, 0-1 vs RU
- .000, 0-5 vs PSU
- .000, 0-6 vs MSU
- .000, 0-11 vs UW
So yes, a talent gap can certainly be overcome in an individual game or even one season but the more games you include in the sample, the more likely the team with more talent will come out on top.
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BB that your collection?
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BB that your collection?
Yessir.
Found 'em in an old shoe box.
Complete 1989 set, as issued by the Dublin Police Dept through the DARE program.
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CJ Stroud named OSU starting QB. Wanted him at Michigan bad. Damn bastards.
Wonder what this means for Kyle McCord & Quinn Ewers? With Ewers reclassifying and joining the 2021 class- Ohio State is bringing in TWO OMGEEEERD FIVE STAAARZ at QB. Quinn Ewers is ranked as the #1 QB and #1 player in the 2021 class and McCord is ranked as the #6 QB and #28 player.
OSU has an embarrassment of riches at the QB position. They are quickly becoming QB-U.
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CJ Stroud named OSU starting QB. Wanted him at Michigan bad. Damn bastards.
Wonder what this means for Kyle McCord & Quinn Ewers? With Ewers reclassifying and joining the 2021 class- Ohio State is bringing in TWO OMGEEEERD FIVE STAAARZ at QB. Quinn Ewers is ranked as the #1 QB and #1 player in the 2021 class and McCord is ranked as the #6 QB and #28 player.
OSU has an embarrassment of riches at the QB position. They are quickly becoming QB-U.
Let’s see if he can go into Minnesota and play?
I always cringe when the team I like is inexperienced at QB. Day does a really good job of protecting them- rolling the pocket- RPOs with multiple run and pass options- max protect.
But there comes a time in most games where the QB has to lead and make something happen off script.
word in camp is McCord is really really good- actually pushed Stoud as true freshman.
probably a safe bet at least one of them hits the portal after the season.
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Although there is some concern with a new QB, I am still much more concerned about the defense. Stroud has everything around him that you would want for an inexperienced QB.
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Although there is some concern with a new QB, I am still much more concerned about the defense. Stroud has everything around him that you would want for an inexperienced QB.
That is my biggest concern. I am still not sold on Kerry Coombs as the DC. He is a great DB coach, just not sure that translates to a good DC. Last year defense was concerning with the match ups that other offenses were able to exploit against our defense. I am hoping that some or most of that can be chalked up to missing players due to Covid or other issues. I guess we will see.
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That is my biggest concern. I am still not sold on Kerry Coombs as the DC. He is a great DB coach, just not sure that translates to a good DC. Last year defense was concerning with the match ups that other offenses were able to exploit against our defense. I am hoping that some or most of that can be chalked up to missing players due to Covid or other issues. I guess we will see.
Yes it will be interesting to see.
they lost so many defense of backs so quickly to the NFL and then their most experienced guy, cam Brown got hurt right out of the gate.
Force them to play Sean Wade at a position not to his strength, and then add on top of that they never got to practice the spring nuances that go with the very base single high coverage they run most of the time. I will be very interested to see if the “Bullet” Is used more this year with different personnel since it was rarely used last season and Pete Werner basically played it and never really left the field
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The bullet position and throwing to the TE. 2 things that are in the believe it when I see it category.
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The bullet position and throwing to the TE. 2 things that are in the believe it when I see it category.
No doubt. They did not throw the title much but when they did it was so effective it makes you wonder why they don’t do it more. I’m wondering if the move of G Scott to tide and will move that needle? He will be a matchup nightmare for any linebacker he comes across