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Title: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: gymvol on December 31, 2020, 11:06:05 AM

Well wait no longer he did it this year and it looks like he can't recruit any better than he coaches.


snip:

PRUITT NEEDS TIME TO GET HIS OWN PLAYERS.

 This is a frequent defense of the Pro-Pruitt faction that would like to see him get more time as Tennessee’s Head Football Coach. I looked at the latest depth chart released by the UTAD prior to the Texas A&M game. I think the results refute the above argument.


OFFENSE
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-25 players listed
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-19 recruited by Jeremy Pruitt
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-6 recruited by Butch Jones
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-4 starters inherited from Butch Jones (TE-Princeton Fant; LT-Jahmir Johnson; LG-Trey Smith; WR-Josh Palmer)



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DEFENSE
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-25 players listed
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-20 recruited by Jeremy Pruitt
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-5 recruited by Butch Jones
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-3 starters inherited from Butch Jones (DE Matthew Butler; Jack LB Deandre Johnson; Star Theo Jackson)


I think the above proves that what we’ve just witnessed IS Pruitt’s program and another recruiting class is unlikely to improve it significantly.


http://tonybasilio.com/index.php?page=tony&b=3587
Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: jgvol on December 31, 2020, 11:18:31 AM
Pruitt is out of his depth.

Anyone stating otherwise just "wishes" it weren't true.
Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: DunkingDan on December 31, 2020, 12:04:05 PM
Well wait no longer he did it this year and it looks like he can't recruit any better than he coaches.


snip:

PRUITT NEEDS TIME TO GET HIS OWN PLAYERS.

 This is a frequent defense of the Pro-Pruitt faction that would like to see him get more time as Tennessee’s Head Football Coach. I looked at the latest depth chart released by the UTAD prior to the Texas A&M game. I think the results refute the above argument.


OFFENSE
(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftonybasilio.com%2Fspacer.gif&hash=0bff45f6542bd1fd384d74d7afee165b)
-25 players listed
(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftonybasilio.com%2Fspacer.gif&hash=0bff45f6542bd1fd384d74d7afee165b)
-19 recruited by Jeremy Pruitt
(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftonybasilio.com%2Fspacer.gif&hash=0bff45f6542bd1fd384d74d7afee165b)
-6 recruited by Butch Jones
(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftonybasilio.com%2Fspacer.gif&hash=0bff45f6542bd1fd384d74d7afee165b)
-4 starters inherited from Butch Jones (TE-Princeton Fant; LT-Jahmir Johnson; LG-Trey Smith; WR-Josh Palmer)



 (https://www.duotechhvac.com/)
DEFENSE
(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftonybasilio.com%2Fspacer.gif&hash=0bff45f6542bd1fd384d74d7afee165b)
-25 players listed
(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftonybasilio.com%2Fspacer.gif&hash=0bff45f6542bd1fd384d74d7afee165b)
-20 recruited by Jeremy Pruitt
(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftonybasilio.com%2Fspacer.gif&hash=0bff45f6542bd1fd384d74d7afee165b)
-5 recruited by Butch Jones
(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftonybasilio.com%2Fspacer.gif&hash=0bff45f6542bd1fd384d74d7afee165b)
-3 starters inherited from Butch Jones (DE Matthew Butler; Jack LB Deandre Johnson; Star Theo Jackson)


I think the above proves that what we’ve just witnessed IS Pruitt’s program and another recruiting class is unlikely to improve it significantly.


http://tonybasilio.com/index.php?page=tony&b=3587
then you have to strip away his first year recruits that were for the most part players signed just to get bodies, then you have his second class who got one year before the world fell apart and his third class which had essentially no preseason conditioning and practice.
While I think he is not ready to prime time due to all the factors I can not judge him yet. I can say I think next year by mid season is make or break.
Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: jgvol on December 31, 2020, 12:11:22 PM
then you have to strip away his first year recruits that were for the most part players signed just to get bodies, then you have his second class who got one year before the world fell apart and his third class which had essentially no preseason conditioning and practice.
While I think he is not ready to prime time due to all the factors I can not judge him yet. I can say I think next year by mid season is make or break.

Some good points here.

But, that first class that just gathered bodies was HIS FAULT.  He insisted on continuing to work for Bama for an additional month to 45 days to gather another ring for his finger, when he should have been working for UT on the recruiting trail.  He gets no pass from me on the pieced together first class.  He owns that, along with his ring from Bama.
Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: DunkingDan on December 31, 2020, 12:21:51 PM
Some good points here.

But, that first class that just gathered bodies was HIS FAULT.  He insisted on continuing to work for Bama for an additional month to 45 days to gather another ring for his finger, when he should have been working for UT on the recruiting trail.  He gets no pass from me on the pieced together first class.  He owns that, along with his ring from Bama.
He recruited and signed most of his class during the break. 

There was limited time to recruit, evaluate, etc. The reports from all was he when not at practice recruited nonstop. Still the length of time which was short vs a year or two building a relationship is a lot, Essentially they were recruiting and picking though left overs and those that they could flip.

He signed on to do a job at Bama and he saw the year though. I have no problems with that or anyone doing that. 

We knew this problem before he was hired a very short time left before the ESP.

Not trying to excuse him, just when you look at all the factors involved, event though it upsets me, I can not in good conscious judge him on that class.

This is as big of a turn around that Majors faced, the cupboard was that bare and the culture sucked. 

I do think we need a new QB coach, Neids needs to go back to TE's, we need a LB coach, maybe a new S&C coach, the DL and OL coaches need to be good hires as well. 

  
Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: Drew4UTk on December 31, 2020, 12:22:18 PM
funny, as soon as JG was benched the allegations of violations came out, and JG bounced. 

I'm suggesting it once more- there was some sort of agreement between JG and Butch the school couldn't get out of... and now they have.  and now they have violations to contend with. 

JG was the problem with that team, period.  NOT the kid- as by all accounts he's a good kid... but the skill level he couldn't produce or did so sporadically... even the backs and receivers are tainted by his lack of skill evidenced in routes with Bailey or Strout (who is gone now too) at the helm... they'd slow down or almost stop when the ball was slung their way- accustomed to JG targeting them.  

for four seasons straight UT was hampered by negative asset at the QB position.  Don't tell me any other coach at any other tier would not have gave JG the bench long long ago... there was something there keeping him there- there had to be.  meanwhile, universities across the nation, some of which are just emerging (such as coastal carolina) somehow found functional QB's... some of them found good QB's... meanwhile, the QB position at UT was the anchor and the chains that kept them from producing.  

Everybody wants Pruitt's head on a platter- and i don't know why... that is one ugly fixture... however, i don't fault him completely- other than keeping JG playing, and I figure there is something to that we'll likely never know... I want to see what he can do next season.  I don't think he is the goat he's being accused of being, yet i don't think he's anywhere near the GOAT either.   If he can retain Gray... if he can retain Smalls... if he can retain the majority of the secondary... if he can replace Weinke... and.... I'm not sold on Chaney- he plays FAR too safe (but that may have been a JG adjustment too)... I think they'll be just fine next season.... and the season following I think they can truly compete for the championship again or at least be in the mix. 
Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: DunkingDan on December 31, 2020, 12:26:11 PM
funny, as soon as JG was benched the allegations of violations came out, and JG bounced.

I'm suggesting it once more- there was some sort of agreement between JG and Butch the school couldn't get out of... and now they have.  and now they have violations to contend with.

JG was the problem with that team, period.  NOT the kid- as by all accounts he's a good kid... but the skill level he couldn't produce or did so sporadically... even the backs and receivers are tainted by his lack of skill evidenced in routes with Bailey or Strout (who is gone now too) at the helm... they'd slow down or almost stop when the ball was slung their way- accustomed to JG targeting them. 

for four seasons straight UT was hampered by negative asset at the QB position.  Don't tell me any other coach at any other tier would not have gave JG the bench long long ago... there was something there keeping him there- there had to be.  meanwhile, universities across the nation, some of which are just emerging (such as coastal carolina) somehow found functional QB's... some of them found good QB's... meanwhile, the QB position at UT was the anchor and the chains that kept them from producing. 

Everybody wants Pruitt's head on a platter- and i don't know why... that is one ugly fixture... however, i don't fault him completely- other than keeping JG playing, and I figure there is something to that we'll likely never know... I want to see what he can do next season.  I don't think he is the goat he's being accused of being, yet i don't think he's anywhere near the GOAT either.  If he can retain Gray... if he can retain Smalls... if he can retain the majority of the secondary... if he can replace Weinke... and.... I'm not sold on Chaney- he plays FAR too safe (but that may have been a JG adjustment too)... I think they'll be just fine next season.... and the season following I think they can truly compete for the championship again or at least be in the mix.
I like a lot of the young talent but they need a good season in the weight room and a good Spring Practice.

Chaney is a good OC he did well everywhere he has been. If we see the same play calling next year then we can say Pruitt is micromanaging to much.

Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: jgvol on December 31, 2020, 01:01:19 PM
He recruited and signed most of his class during the break.

There was limited time to recruit, evaluate, etc. The reports from all was he when not at practice recruited nonstop. Still the length of time which was short vs a year or two building a relationship is a lot, Essentially they were recruiting and picking though left overs and those that they could flip.

He signed on to do a job at Bama and he saw the year though. I have no problems with that or anyone doing that.

We knew this problem before he was hired a very short time left before the ESP.

Not trying to excuse him, just when you look at all the factors involved, event though it upsets me, I can not in good conscious judge him on that class.

This is as big of a turn around that Majors faced, the cupboard was that bare and the culture sucked.

I do think we need a new QB coach, Neids needs to go back to TE's, we need a LB coach, maybe a new S&C coach, the DL and OL coaches need to be good hires as well.

 
He signed on to do a job at Bama and he saw the year though. I have no problems with that or anyone doing that. 

I remember Cutcliffe signing on the be our offensive coordinator as well.  He bailed after the last regular season game, before the National Championship game, and Randy Sanders called the first game of his career on the biggest stage.  Fortunately, we still won. 

Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: roadvol on December 31, 2020, 01:06:49 PM
This is the problem I have with the "critics". They can't enjoy a great win and are only happy when there's something to complain about.
Our basketball team just blew out the #12 team in the country on the road.
The largest victory margin on the road against a top 20 team in school history
The # 1 tight end in this years freshmen class entered the transfer portal and says he wants to come play with his high school teammate ( Bailey).........and all we hear this morning is bitching and moaning.
Give it a rest for a day and enjoy the win.
JMPO
Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: jgvol on December 31, 2020, 01:11:14 PM
This is the problem I have with the "critics". They can't enjoy a great win and are only happy when there's something to complain about.
Our basketball team just blew out the #12 team in the country on the road.
The largest victory margin on the road against a top 20 team in school history
The # 1 tight end in this years freshmen class entered the transfer portal and says he wants to come play with his high school teammate ( Bailey).........and all we hear this morning is bitching and moaning.
Give it a rest for a day and enjoy the win.
JMPO

The basketball team and it's success is great!

But, basketball ain't football.  Big time basketball has 20,000 seat arenas, and big time football has 100,000 seat cathedrals.  Not the same.

Football always drives the bus. 
Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: DunkingDan on December 31, 2020, 01:16:06 PM
He signed on to do a job at Bama and he saw the year though. I have no problems with that or anyone doing that.

I remember Cutcliffe signing on the be our offensive coordinator as well.  He bailed after the last regular season game, before the National Championship game, and Randy Sanders called the first game of his career on the biggest stage.  Fortunately, we still won.

Two different people, two different set of circumstances, two different  time frames, etc.

 
Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: jgvol on December 31, 2020, 01:19:03 PM
Two different people, two different set of circumstances, two different  time frames, etc.

 

Cool.

I'm glad we don't have to talk about Majors taking a decade to bring the program back to prominence, as an excuse to give Pruitt more time.

Two different people, two different set of circumstances, two different  time frames, etc.
Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: roadvol on December 31, 2020, 01:19:55 PM
The basketball team and it's success is great!

But, basketball ain't football.  Big time basketball has 20,000 seat arenas, and big time football has 100,000 seat cathedrals.  Not the same.

Football always drives the bus. 
Wouldn't it be nice to enjoy the moment?
Great win...not a peep on this board but we do get the same old complaints we've heard dozens of times about the football program.
FYI....we will not hear anything about Pruitt until the internal investigation is complete.
If he was guilty of committing violations he'll be gone. If he wasn't, he'll get one more year .UT simply cannot afford to rid themselves of another coach without cause in a year we're suffering massive financial losses.
In the mean time the constant bitching and moaning about how terrible Pruitt is  will only accomplish one thing....keeping potential recruits and transfers away.
Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: jgvol on December 31, 2020, 01:25:06 PM
Wouldn't it be nice to enjoy the moment?
Great win...not a peep on this board but we do get the same old complaints we've heard dozens of times about the football program.
FYI....we will not hear anything about Pruitt until the internal investigation is complete.
If he was guilty of committing violations he'll be gone. If he wasn't, he'll get one more year .UT simply cannot afford to rid themselves of another coach without cause in a year we're suffering massive financial losses.
In the mean time the constant bitching and moaning about how terrible Pruitt is will only accomplish one thing....keeping potential recruits and transfers away.
Wouldn't it be nice to enjoy the moment?  Sure, feel free.  Start a thread.  Whatever.
Great win...not a peep on this board but we do get the same old complaints we've heard dozens of times about the football program.  So start a thread.  Like I said, football drives the bus.  Basketball doesn't garner the same interest. 
FYI....we will not hear anything about Pruitt until the internal investigation is complete.  Probably so.  Not sure what that has to do with the point of the thread?
If he was guilty of committing violations he'll be gone. If he wasn't, he'll get one more year .UT simply cannot afford to rid themselves of another coach without cause in a year we're suffering massive financial losses.  Probably so.  But, the thread is about his recruits and their performance.  Dan made some really good points about it.
In the mean time the constant bitching and moaning about how terrible Pruitt is will only accomplish one thing....keeping potential recruits and transfers away.  Did someone demand that you come in here and participate?  It is not required as far as I know.

Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: DunkingDan on December 31, 2020, 01:25:30 PM
Cool.

I'm glad we don't have to talk about Majors taking a decade to bring the program back to prominence, as an excuse to give Pruitt more time.

Two different people, two different set of circumstances, two different  time frames, etc.
That was more a apples to apples than your let me see what I can nitpick. Everyone gets it you feel about Pruitt like  the left does Trump. 

Pruitt inherited as bad as a situation as Majors did. The only major difference I know of is, I don't think Pruitt is living in a bottle.

 
Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: roadvol on December 31, 2020, 01:32:32 PM
That was more a apples to apples than your let me see what I can nitpick. Everyone gets it you feel about Pruitt like  the left does Trump.

Pruitt inherited as bad as a situation as Majors did. The only major difference I know of is, I don't think Pruitt is living in a bottle.

 
Majors was a favorite son and to use a current phrase...he had a lot of equity with the fans.
 He was given more time at UT to rebuild than any coach before or since. Not a complaint or excuse ...just fact.
Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: jgvol on December 31, 2020, 01:34:50 PM
That was more a apples to apples than your let me see what I can nitpick. Everyone gets it you feel about Pruitt like  the left does Trump.

Pruitt inherited as bad as a situation as Majors did. The only major difference I know of is, I don't think Pruitt is living in a bottle.

 

He isn't living near an English composition book, neither.

And we get that you feel about Pruitt like the Left does about Obama.
Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: jgvol on December 31, 2020, 01:36:22 PM
Majors was a favorite son and to use a current phrase...he had a lot of equity with the fans.
 He was given more time at UT to rebuild than any coach before or since. Not a complaint or excuse ...just fact.

He was a Tennessee man, a favorite son, and a National Championship winning coach.

I believe he deserved much more equity.  We agree.
Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: roadvol on December 31, 2020, 01:39:30 PM
He isn't living near an English composition book, neither.

And we get that you feel about Pruitt like the Left does about Obama.
Oh good grief....Dan didn't say anything even close to being an analogy between Dan and Obama and Pruitt.
You made a similar accusation about me earlier saying I was a closet liberal or something similar.
It's not envy or support for Pruitt to simply state facts.
I have my problems with Pruitt just as Dan does but that doesn't prevent either of us from stating facts and facing reality.


Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: roadvol on December 31, 2020, 01:43:02 PM
He was a Tennessee man, a favorite son, and a National Championship winning coach.

I believe he deserved much more equity.  We agree.
Fulmer was a favorite son, a national champion winning coach and had a better record than Majors and that didn't prevent the idiots from running him off .Where was his equity?
That is one reason I'm very reluctant to join the "Fire the Coach Club" every three years. 
Those people destroyed UT football and it's never recovered.
Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: jgvol on December 31, 2020, 01:44:14 PM
Oh good grief....Dan didn't say anything even close to being an analogy between Dan and Obama and Pruitt.
You made a similar accusation about me earlier saying I was a closet liberal or something similar.
It's not envy or support for Pruitt to simply state facts.
I have my problems with Pruitt just as Dan does but that doesn't prevent either of us from stating facts and facing reality.




Slow on the uptake?


"That was more a apples to apples than your let me see what I can nitpick. Everyone gets it you feel about Pruitt like  the left does Trump. "
Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: jgvol on December 31, 2020, 01:46:46 PM
Fulmer was a favorite son, a national champion winning coach and had a better record than Majors and that didn't prevent the idiots from running him off .Where was his equity?
That is one reason I'm very reluctant to join the "Fire the Coach Club" every three years.
Those people destroyed UT football and it's never recovered.

He was here 15 years.  A far cry from being run off after 3 years.  More hyperbole.

I'd agree that he did deserve a little more equity, however.  I think he was fired a bit prematurely, and certainly there was no plan in place for a suitable replacement.  Malpractice!
Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: DunkingDan on December 31, 2020, 01:58:34 PM
He was here 15 years.  A far cry from being run off after 3 years.  More hyperbole.

I'd agree that he did deserve a little more equity, however.  I think he was fired a bit prematurely, and certainly there was no plan in place for a suitable replacement.  Malpractice!
You are channeling Gym today.

So let me loan you this item of his  ;) Just yanking on your chain a little.  (https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.ZqrUewmetUW0TCDlNTrVJQHaLH&pid=Api&P=0&w=300&h=300)
Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: Volitale on December 31, 2020, 01:58:45 PM
Ok then, those that support Pruitt please provide an actual reason to keep him, not that "he deserves a chance" feelings based argument.  Show your proof that he deserves to be the head coach.  There's plenty of proof to show the opposite.
Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: roadvol on December 31, 2020, 02:05:43 PM
Ok then, those that support Pruitt please provide an actual reason to keep him, not that "he deserves a chance" feelings based argument.  Show your proof that he deserves to be the head coach.  There's plenty of proof to show the opposite.
My point is...no matter what you want or I want...UT cannot afford to fire Pruitt this year without cause. Besides...who cares what I think about Pruitt good or bad. I'm not a coach or expert and I doubt anyone on this board is.
Bitching and moaning constantly does nothing but harm the program short term and long term.
If you're a fan...enjoy the basketball success and let the rest take  care of itself.
My last post on this subject.....Happy New Year all!
Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: Volitale on December 31, 2020, 02:09:10 PM
My point is...no matter what you want or I want...UT cannot afford to fire Pruitt this year without cause. Besides...who cares what I think about Pruitt good or bad. I'm not a coach or expert and I doubt anyone on this board is.
Bitching and moaning constantly does nothing but harm the program short term and long term.
If you're a fan...enjoy the basketball success and let the rest take  care of itself.
My last post on this subject.....Happy New Year all!
If you don't care to have an actual discussion, then politely butt out.  When presented with an actual challenge you turn into a wimpy leftist.  
Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: roadvol on December 31, 2020, 02:19:33 PM
If you don't care to have an actual discussion, then politely butt out.  When presented with an actual challenge you turn into a wimpy leftist. 
The very reason I'm reluctant to discuss UT football. You're not looking for a rational discussion, you're just looking for someone to bitch at  and call names. You have no answers, just complaints.
"Wimpy leftist"? ...you can do better than this
Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: Phantom101 on December 31, 2020, 02:20:17 PM
Pruitt is my coach until he isn't.

He still is and I support him. (100%)

PS.....you don't coach on national championship staffs if you haven't a clue.
Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: jgvol on December 31, 2020, 02:25:12 PM
Pruitt is my coach until he isn't.

He still is and I support him. (100%)

PS.....you don't coach on national championship staffs if you haven't a clue.

You sure about that?


(https://i.imgur.com/sAfVL4h.png)
Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: roadvol on December 31, 2020, 02:26:15 PM
Pruitt is my coach until he isn't.

He still is and I support him. (100%)

PS.....you don't coach on national championship staffs if you haven't a clue.
Be careful Phantom....those words can make you a "wimpy leftist"...lol
Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: jgvol on December 31, 2020, 02:28:28 PM
Be careful Phantom....those words can make you a "wimpy leftist"...lol

Could be posited as:

Biden is my president until he isn’t. 

I support him 100%. 

Absurd right?
Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: roadvol on December 31, 2020, 02:33:13 PM
Could be posited as:

Biden is my president until he isn’t.

I support him 100%.

Absurd right?
I agree...you're making an absurd analogy
Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: jgvol on December 31, 2020, 02:37:53 PM
I agree...you're making an absurd analogy

Nope.

blind support is stupid. 

point made.

Besides, you have already conceded that you aren’t a football coach and that your opinion has no value. 

I’ll take you at your word. 
Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: gymvol on December 31, 2020, 02:52:10 PM
You are channeling Gym today.

So let me loan you this item of his  ;) Just yanking on your chain a little.  (https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.ZqrUewmetUW0TCDlNTrVJQHaLH&pid=Api&P=0&w=300&h=300)



He isn't channeling me he speaks for himself and how most UT fans feel including many big donors.

We're not homers wearing orange colored glasses like you and roadvol we're in the majority that can see Pruitt is not and never will be a winner at UT or anywhere else as a head coach.  He is a position coach and that's all he will ever be no matter what title anyone gives him.

Fulmer is more to blame than anyone else for the fiasco and for hiring someone as jgvol said allowing him to remain at BAMA while recruiting suffered. Fulmer didn't care what he got it was all about him being AD. He is and always has been for himself and not for UT.

You can make all the excuses you want for Tater Head but his record speaks for itself he hasn't proved that he can win with his recruits he has gotten worse as the Jones boys left.

I thought it was mistake to hire a BAMA alum especially another DC because we had already been burnt by one from there, Sunseri who everyone thought was great until he showed up on the Hill.

Tater Head is not only a failure as HC but also a total embarrassment to UT. He can't speak properly and wears a muumuu. So how the heck can he go into a top recruits home and convince his parents their son will get a good education when he is the prime example of what they will get from a college football degree?

You homers and sunshine pumpers keep making excuses they're like butt holes everyone has one and they usually stink.
Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: gymvol on December 31, 2020, 02:53:47 PM
You sure about that?


(https://i.imgur.com/sAfVL4h.png)


That's gonna burn for awhile
Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: DunkingDan on December 31, 2020, 02:56:49 PM

He isn't channeling me he speaks for himself and how most UT fans feel including many big donors.


Hey I got a twofer in my poke for shits and grins.  😈

 
Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: gymvol on December 31, 2020, 02:59:24 PM
Hey I got a twofer in my poke for shits and grins.  😈

 

For a man who supposedly believes in God you seem to be worshiping at the feet of an idol, the HC of Tennessee.  
Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: DunkingDan on December 31, 2020, 03:09:09 PM
For a man who supposedly believes in God you seem to be worshiping at the feet of an idol, the HC of Tennessee. 
You really need to pull your head out of that place that you think does not stink on you, sunshine. 😈

Nothing, I have said is worship but looking at part of the issues from a few facts you and some others want to avoid, just like road and Drew have. None of us has said he is the answer, but there are things that have been outside of is control and we need to give him a fair look.   

But if you want to continue with the personal attacks because your upset I poked some fun at JG at your expense go ahead.

I'll leave you this to argue with



(https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.oDrngjk7xPUhpqkB9NIhhQHaJ5&pid=Api&P=0&w=300&h=300)

  
Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: gymvol on December 31, 2020, 04:04:24 PM
You really need to pull your head out of that place that you think does not stink on you, sunshine. 😈

Nothing, I have said is worship but looking at part of the issues from a few facts you and some others want to avoid, just like road and Drew have. None of us has said he is the answer, but there are things that have been outside of is control and we need to give him a fair look. 

But if you want to continue with the personal attacks because your upset I poked some fun at JG at your expense go ahead.

I'll leave you this to argue with





 



Back at you with the memes.

(https://i.imgur.com/HC9WZ1A.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/gnef5S7.png)




Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: roadvol on December 31, 2020, 04:13:17 PM
Nope.

blind support is stupid. 

point made.

Besides, you have already conceded that you aren’t a football coach and that your opinion has no value.

I’ll take you at your word.
For all of your postering, name calling and anger issues.. you've yet to explain how UT will come up with the expected $50 million it will take to buy out Pruitt and pay for an established coach when facing a nearly $50 million loss this year. 
It's bad enough you have to lie about my blind support of Pruitt when I've repeatedly said I'm not convinced Pruitt is the answer but you've yet to give anything close to a legitimate resolution to UT's problem .
Since you know all the answers you should know theres no UT donors willing to give anything close to $50 million. You seem to be the most vocal ..how much are you giving to buy out Pruitt and Fulmer? How much are you giving to hire a name coach and AD?
Come on coach ...or is it money bags?
Wheres your checkbook?









Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: awinatl on December 31, 2020, 04:14:21 PM
He recruited and signed most of his class during the break.

There was limited time to recruit, evaluate, etc. The reports from all was he when not at practice recruited nonstop. Still the length of time which was short vs a year or two building a relationship is a lot, Essentially they were recruiting and picking though left overs and those that they could flip.

He signed on to do a job at Bama and he saw the year though. I have no problems with that or anyone doing that.

 
He signed on to coach TN and waited 45 days to do so ...... if you think recruiting out of Tuscaloosa with Saban over your shoulder is the same as being in Knoxville fully devoted to your employer then I don’t know what to tell you . And the relationship thing doesn’t fly either .... each coach at ALA probably signs 6-10 kids out of the 100s they recruit. He was at ALA for what 2 years ?? No reason Fulmer shouldn’t have demanded he start earning his paycheck immediately. 
Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: awinatl on December 31, 2020, 04:17:33 PM
For all of your postering, name calling and anger issues.. you've yet to explain how UT will come up with the expected $50 million it will take to buy out Pruitt and pay for an established coach when facing a nearly $50 million loss this year. 
It's bad enough you have to lie about my blind support of Pruitt when I've repeatedly said I'm not convinced Pruitt is the answer but you've yet to give anything close to a legitimate resolution to UT's problem .
Since you know all the answers you should know theres no UT donors willing to give anything close to $50 million. You seem to be the most vocal ..how much are you giving to buy out Pruitt and Fulmer? How much are you giving to hire a name coach and AD?
Come on coach ...or is it money bags?
Wheres your checkbook?
You forgot to add the loss of revenue next year due to fan apathy 
Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: jgvol on December 31, 2020, 04:19:07 PM
For all of your postering, name calling and anger issues.. you've yet to explain how UT will come up with the expected $50 million it will take to buy out Pruitt and pay for an established coach when facing a nearly $50 million loss this year. 
It's bad enough you have to lie about my blind support of Pruitt when I've repeatedly said I'm not convinced Pruitt is the answer but you've yet to give anything close to a legitimate resolution to UT's problem .
Since you know all the answers you should know theres no UT donors willing to give anything close to $50 million. You seem to be the most vocal ..how much are you giving to buy out Pruitt and Fulmer? How much are you giving to hire a name coach and AD?
Come on coach ...or is it money bags?
Wheres your checkbook?










“Besides...who cares what I think about Pruitt good or bad. I'm not a coach or expert” — roadvol


We take you at your word.
Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: DunkingDan on December 31, 2020, 04:20:34 PM


Back at you with the memes.
I didn't post a meme. I posted a fence post for you to argue with.

 
Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: DunkingDan on December 31, 2020, 04:27:09 PM
He signed on to coach TN and waited 45 days to do so ......

He agreed to be Head Coach with that understanding

 if you think recruiting out of Tuscaloosa with Saban over your shoulder is the same as being in Knoxville fully devoted to your employer then I don’t know what to tell you . And the relationship thing doesn’t fly either .... each coach at ALA probably signs 6-10 kids out of the 100s they recruit.

Most of whom had already found a home and wanted no part of the Shit show Tn. had become with all the hiring's, firings, coaching search fiasco, etc

He was at ALA for what 2 years ?? No reason Fulmer shouldn’t have demanded he start earning his paycheck immediately.

Now you are grasping at straws.

Bottom line you and others are looking to fight and try to beat people into submission to your views. Not going to happen.

Meanwhile while FB sorts it self out enjoy the basketball team, it could be very special this year.

Have a Happy and Safe New Year
Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: roadvol on December 31, 2020, 04:30:33 PM
“Besides...who cares what I think about Pruitt good or bad. I'm not a coach or expert” — roadvol


We take you at your word.
And we can assume you're not either. Judging from some of your misleading statements and lack of knowledge about UT the only thing you know about UT is how to bitch and complain.
Unfortunately UT has an abundance of people like you . They don't take the time to find out what's going on but spend their time listening to talk shows that make their money putting idiots on the radio that are always angry and uninformed.
Misery likes company so I'm sure you'll find someone that will take you serious.
Happy New Year.
Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: jgvol on December 31, 2020, 04:38:12 PM
And we can assume you're not either. Judging from some of your misleading statements and lack of knowledge about UT the only thing you know about UT is how to bitch and complain.
Unfortunately UT has an abundance of people like you . They don't take the time to find out what's going on but spend their time listening to talk shows that make their money putting idiots on the radio that are always angry and uninformed.
Misery likes company so I'm sure you'll find someone that will take you serious.
Happy New Year.

blah, blah, blah.....nothingness. 

Happy New Year to you and yours, as well.

One day we will all be happy again with the direction and results of the football program.

It’s been a long time.  And I look forward to it. 
Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: roadvol on December 31, 2020, 04:41:57 PM

Dan...have you noticed that none of these "critics" want to answer the question I keep asking.
It would be great to be able to hire a Saban or Urban Myer  or some other "flavor of the week" coach" but no one wants to address how we pay for it when facing a millions of dollars in losses this year.  We have no reserve since we've been paying off fired coaches for 12 years now.
I keep asking and they keep coming back with insults and no solution.
Oh well...maybe they're out fund raising to payoff the buyouts and hiring  super coaches...we can only hope!

Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: gymvol on January 01, 2021, 11:54:13 AM

For all of your postering, name calling and anger issues.. you've yet to explain how UT will come up with the expected $50 million it will take to buy out Pruitt and pay for an established coach when facing a nearly $50 million loss this year. 

It's bad enough you have to lie about my blind support of Pruitt when I've repeatedly said I'm not convinced Pruitt is the answer but you've yet to give anything close to a legitimate resolution to UT's problem .
Since you know all the answers you should know theres no UT donors willing to give anything close to $50 million. You seem to be the most vocal ..how much are you giving to buy out Pruitt and Fulmer? How much are you giving to hire a name coach and AD?
Come on coach ...or is it money bags?
Wheres your checkbook?











I don't where you learned math but even your estimates aren't even close fifty million is a big exaggeration on your part to make it look like WE GOT TO KEEP HIM. Poor roadie your afraid your hero is gonna get fired.   :'(

Since we really don't know the status of the investigation or what violations actually occurred your big guess at what it would take to terminate all contracts would be enough to include Fulmer, the Chancellor and all coaches at TN

UT will get more money than that from their share of bowl and television revenue from the conference. Not to include the outrageous increases in tuition over the past ten years or the millions in donations they receive annually.

UT doesn't have a revenue problem like congress they have a spending and a moron problem running the athletic department.

One other think when a new coach is hired the money isn't paid up front so that isn't figured in.

Question answered.

SNIP:

A head coaching change means a staff change, too. Add in sweeping staff buyouts, and UT would owe about $18.6 million in severance payments for a full football staff change, using Jan. 1 as the firing date for Pruitt's staff, according to a Knox News analysis of the staff's contracts and buyout terms.

https://www.knoxnews.com/story/sports/college/university-of-tennessee/football/2020/11/18/tennessee-football-jeremy-pruitt-buyout-contract-jim-chaney-derrick-ansley/3766643001/

Title: Re: For Those Who Have Been Saying Wait Until Pruitt Can Play His Recruits
Post by: roadvol on January 01, 2021, 11:32:27 PM
You do the math....we buy out Pruitt and his entire staff plus the AD
...$20 million easy.
Hire a name coach and 2 year minimum for a new staff $ 30+ million.plus a new AD
If I'm off its on the low side.
FYI..SEC revenue for teams last year was $45 million and it won't be close to that this year.