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The Power Five => Big XII => Topic started by: CWSooner on December 29, 2020, 09:59:15 PM

Title: Where is the Froth?
Post by: CWSooner on December 29, 2020, 09:59:15 PM
There's a football game on television tonight featuring the Texas Longhorns and the Colorado Buffaloes.  Texas leads 14-0 early in the 2nd quarter.

Anyone watching?
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: longhorn320 on December 29, 2020, 10:52:28 PM
Quote from: CWSooner on December 29, 2020, 09:59:15 PM
There's a football game on television tonight featuring the Texas Longhorns and the Colorado Buffaloes.  Texas leads 14-0 early in the 2nd quarter.

Anyone watching?
yep
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: CWSooner on December 29, 2020, 11:29:20 PM
I've been watching it off and on.  Was that Casey Thompson who QB'd the Horns on the TD drive to open the 2nd half?
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: longhorn320 on December 29, 2020, 11:50:58 PM
evidently

I am taping the 2nd half while watching a movie but I went to CBS game cast and they show

C Thompson as our QB

Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: longhorn320 on December 29, 2020, 11:52:41 PM
Reports say that Sam Ehlinger had a shoulder injury in first half
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: CWSooner on December 30, 2020, 10:46:32 AM
Quote from: longhorn320 on December 29, 2020, 11:52:41 PM
Reports say that Sam Ehlinger had a shoulder injury in first half
That's always a risk for a QB who plays like a fullback at times.  I wonder how/if that will affect his decision on whether to come back for another year.

Congrats on the nice win, BTW.
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: longhorn320 on December 30, 2020, 10:57:45 AM
My thoughts on the Alamo Bowl

Not sure just how good Casey Thompson is because the Colorado def was not very good against the pass but his passes were sharp and on the money.  He is faster then Sam but is more of a pocket QB

I thought the Horn def played pretty good considering how many key players were missing

I didnt realize just how good Dicker was at punting.  He routinely punted over 50 yards with a long hang time.  He definitely will be playing on Sundays either kicking FGs or punting.

Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: longhorn320 on December 30, 2020, 11:00:36 AM
Quote from: CWSooner on December 30, 2020, 10:46:32 AM
That's always a risk for a QB who plays like a fullback at times.  I wonder how/if that will affect his decision on whether to come back for another year.

Congrats on the nice win, BTW.
Thanks CW

I wish you guys luck cause Florida has a quality team
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: CWSooner on December 30, 2020, 05:25:05 PM
The line for the Cotton Bowl has gone from OU+3 to OU-11.5.  That worries me.

I was worried--before a bunch of Gators dropped out for various reasons--that Florida might just kick our asses.

Now I'm worried about the Sooners being overconfident.

We'll see in a few hours.
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: Cincydawg on December 30, 2020, 08:50:27 PM
17-3
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: CWSooner on December 30, 2020, 09:44:31 PM
31-13 at halftime.  Florida hasn't gotten all the points that its offensive production should have produced.  OU's defense has had something to do with that, though.
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: Cincydawg on December 30, 2020, 10:40:44 PM
Good night, Irene.
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: CWSooner on December 30, 2020, 11:10:25 PM
I think I heard Sooner fans chanting "S-E-C!"

The Gator LB who opined that OU wasn't elite like the SEC and the Gators got some Sooners fired up.

It's usually best not to offer opinions like that.
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: Mr Tulip on December 31, 2020, 09:35:49 AM
Texas basically played themselves out of excuses. I don't want to give the Buffs too much credit, but the players filling spots on the roster, notably the OL, for Texas demonstrated they're not helpless. My actual opinion of their performance is somewhere between "very good" and "why haven't they been playing all season?".

Clearly, there's a set of tools in the drawer that any program would be excited over.

Once again, the SEC is in "well, um, we didn't really wanna...you see, the players were disappointed...they could have.." mode. Alabama is setting the pace, and the rest are just swimming in their pool. We were robbed of even mediocre OOC games this season, so these modified bowls are all we have. The Sooners were in a dogfight to the top of the Big 12, then threw the SEC #2 aside in the first 10 minutes.

Looking forward to seeing ISU in action!
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: CWSooner on December 31, 2020, 10:37:58 AM
Casey Thompson looked awfully good yesterday.  Texas was an offensive juggernaut in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: longhorn320 on December 31, 2020, 11:04:58 AM
Not sure we were playing a good defensive team

Once we got past their front four is was smooth sailing

lots of poor tackling
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: Thumper on January 01, 2021, 12:18:01 AM
The 'eers squeaked by a gritty Army team with Sooner transfer Kendal Austin leading the comeback.  Makes the Big 12 4-0 with ISU up next.
Casey Thompson looked good for Texas.  Did he transfer from the Sooners or flip his commitment?  Sooners QB room is really thin right now with Mordecai and Morris hitting the portal.
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: longhorn320 on January 01, 2021, 01:12:40 AM
Quote from: Thumper on January 01, 2021, 12:18:01 AM
The 'eers squeaked by a gritty Army team with Sooner transfer Kendal Austin leading the comeback.  Makes the Big 12 4-0 with ISU up next.
Casey Thompson looked good for Texas.  Did he transfer from the Sooners or flip his commitment?  Sooners QB room is really thin right now with Mordecai and Morris hitting the portal.
CT came to UT as a recruit 

He attempted to transfer a year ago but reconsidered

He has 3 years remaining of eligibility after 2020

Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: CWSooner on January 01, 2021, 01:46:25 AM
Quote from: Thumper on January 01, 2021, 12:18:01 AM
The 'eers squeaked by a gritty Army team with Sooner transfer Kendal Austin leading the comeback.  Makes the Big 12 4-0 with ISU up next.
Casey Thompson looked good for Texas.  Did he transfer from the Sooners or flip his commitment?  Sooners QB room is really thin right now with Mordecai and Morris hitting the portal.
You may be thinking of Kendal Thompson, Casey's older brother.  He was a Sooner for awhile.
Their dad, of course, is Charles Thompson, of orange-jumpsuit-on-the-cover-of-SI infamy.
He has straightened out his life and from what I can tell has raised his sons to be far more responsible young men than he was.
He's a bit of a helicopter parent, though.
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: Cincydawg on January 01, 2021, 04:17:03 PM
A lot of tight bowl games so far this year,
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: Thumper on January 01, 2021, 04:36:49 PM
Congrats on the CincyDawg 🍜.
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: utee94 on January 02, 2021, 07:23:37 PM
I was camping but we had our tailgate party TV setup out there in the boondocks. 

Winning is always better than losing, but winning bowl games was never Tom Herman's problem.  It was all that other stuff.

Congrats to the Sooners, 'Eers, and (probably) the Cyclones who are finishing up the 4th quarter against Oregon.

And congrats to CD's Dawgs too, since he's one of the few non-B12ers that frequents this board,

Texas' new coach has some talent to work with.  I guess we'll see how he uses it. 
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: Thumper on January 02, 2021, 09:16:34 PM
Big 12 5-0, Froth 0.  Coach gets dominating win and gets fired.  Glad that weird year is done.
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: longhorn320 on January 02, 2021, 09:51:36 PM
Quote from: Thumper on January 02, 2021, 09:16:34 PM
Big 12 5-0, Froth 0.  Coach gets dominating win and gets fired.  Glad that weird year is done.
Its obvious he got fired when we lost to Iowa St
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: utee94 on January 03, 2021, 09:23:23 AM
Quote from: longhorn320 on January 02, 2021, 09:51:36 PM
Its obvious he got fired when we lost to Iowa St

Some of the insiders say it was when he lost back-to-back against a bad TCU team and a very beatable OU team.

Suffice to say going 1-4 against OU is enough to get ANY Texas coach fired.  Always has been, always will be.
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: CWSooner on January 03, 2021, 11:54:44 AM
I read an "insider" (FWIW) story that there was very recently a meeting of Herman, Del Conte, the President, and at least some of the regents, and that the meeting went bad and that's when the final decision was made.

Maybe that's like CD's Civil War novel--fictional.

It seems that some Texas sportswriters believe that Del Conte lied to them about Herman's status.

Sarkisian seems an odd choice.  If I had been assembling a list of potential Texas HFCs 3 days ago, I wouldn't have even thought about him.

He's the first guy who was not a sitting HFC to be hired to "steer" the Longhorn program since 1951.
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: longhorn320 on January 03, 2021, 11:59:45 AM
as the saying goes you get what you paid for ..... sometimes less
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: utee94 on January 03, 2021, 06:00:35 PM
Quote from: CWSooner on January 03, 2021, 11:54:44 AM

Sarkisian seems an odd choice.  If I had been assembling a list of potential Texas HFCs 3 days ago, I wouldn't have even thought about him.

I think "an odd choice" is putting it mildly.  I actually expect it to be a disastrous choice.  

Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: Thumper on January 03, 2021, 06:51:17 PM
One of my first reactions on hearing it was Sarkisian was wondering what kind of relationship he would have with the Texas HS coaches.  Then I realized it was Alabama taking so much Texas talent that was part of the reason for firing Herman.  Do you think he can recruit Texas or was it more Alabama's status that attracted so much Texas talent?

Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: CWSooner on January 03, 2021, 07:12:34 PM
Quote from: utee94 on January 03, 2021, 06:00:35 PM
I think "an odd choice" is putting it mildly.  I actually expect it to be a disastrous choice.
Well, what do you think about the news that he won't be bringing Mike Stoops with him from Alabama?
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: utee94 on January 03, 2021, 07:16:26 PM
Quote from: CWSooner on January 03, 2021, 07:12:34 PM
Well, what do you think about the news that he won't be bringing Mike Stoops with him from Alabama?
I guess I don't really care one way or the other.  I don't really know much about Mike Stoops, and how he's performed at Alabama.
 
In general, I'm not sure any combination of assistants is going to help him. At best I expect him to be equivalent in success to Tom Herman.  But the downside and chance of a complete implosion make it worse, IMO.

Nothing I can do about it, except complain on the internet, I suppose.
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: utee94 on January 03, 2021, 07:19:31 PM
Quote from: Thumper on January 03, 2021, 06:51:17 PM
One of my first reactions on hearing it was Sarkisian was wondering what kind of relationship he would have with the Texas HS coaches.  Then I realized it was Alabama taking so much Texas talent that was part of the reason for firing Herman.  Do you think he can recruit Texas or was it more Alabama's status that attracted so much Texas talent?


Alabama and Ohio State both recruit Texas well.  As does OU of course.  Herman has recruited extremely well until the current cycle, so that's not really why he was fired.  There's plenty of talent in the state and Texas has gotten plenty of it over the past 4 years. 

The real problems are what Herman has-- or hasn't-- done with the talent, once it arrived on campus.
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: CWSooner on January 04, 2021, 12:37:27 AM
Quote from: utee94 on January 03, 2021, 07:16:26 PM
I guess I don't really care one way or the other.  I don't really know much about Mike Stoops, and how he's performed at Alabama.
 
In general, I'm not sure any combination of assistants is going to help him. At best I expect him to be equivalent in success to Tom Herman.  But the downside and chance of a complete implosion make it worse, IMO.

Nothing I can do about it, except complain on the internet, I suppose.
I should have put a winkie, but I don't really like the ones this site uses.
Anyway, you should be happy for a small favor.
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: utee94 on January 04, 2021, 08:41:05 AM
Quote from: CWSooner on January 04, 2021, 12:37:27 AM
I should have put a winkie, but I don't really like the ones this site uses.
Anyway, you should be happy for a small favor.
No I think I got the joke, I just don't honestly know what he's been doing at Alabama. I do remember that a lot of Sooner fans were less than pleased with how he did at Oklahoma.  Really though, OU has had few problems beating Texas with or without him, so I'm sure I couldn't possibly dislike him as much as some of y'all might.


Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: CWSooner on January 04, 2021, 09:38:41 AM
I don't know what he's doing there either.  He's one of Saban's 700 quality-control assistants I believe.
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: utee94 on January 04, 2021, 10:08:19 AM
I mean, as a Longhorn whose team thrived under Sooner All-American Darrell Royal, I can't really hold any Sooner ties against him, can I? ;)

But if he's also a bad coach in addition, well then, no thanks!

Honestly I'm all for anyone that can help Sarkisian and the program. I think it's a bad hire, but since I had zero control over it, all I can do is hope for the best.
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: Mr Tulip on January 04, 2021, 12:46:00 PM
I think, when you're the HC of Texas, the door is open for you to develop relationships with Texas high schools. This isn't 1972 when you have to get word of mouth to find talent. The type of talent Texas recruits will be published. If you're not a huge jerk, you'll be welcome on campus to talk, just like anyone else.

What I find a little goofy is that Mack essentially torpedoed a functional Texas football program when he decided he wanted the Texas offense to look like Alabama. Since that decision was made, the Texas offense has looked like anything but. I guess it's inevitable that the Bama OC ends up in the Texas director's chair. Frankly, I could use more out of my OL. The last 2 games demonstrated next season's potential. If Sark brings Bama's OL coach with him, I wont hate it.

It appears Herman had lost the confidence of his players. Some are eager to retain their position coaches, but none seem real beat up about losing their HC. I believe that Herman had the program trending up, and that last season's coaching changes were needed and correct, but didn't have time to bear fruit under the weird conditions. If the Burnt Orange power brokers handed over $25million to get started, then I'm guessing there were layers to this problem that I didn't know about.

I think this is a good hire. We just gotta get through the tricky period of hiring position coaches and not having all the talent transfer out.
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: utee94 on January 04, 2021, 01:13:45 PM
The transfer portal can also help us this go-round, instead of only harming us, which has been the tendency in the past.  

I don't know how willing/able Sarkisian is to use it, but it's benefitted a lot of other teams greatly, including our rival to the north.
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: longhorn320 on January 04, 2021, 01:19:17 PM
Quote from: Mr Tulip on January 04, 2021, 12:46:00 PM


I think this is a good hire. We just gotta get through the tricky period of hiring position coaches and not having all the talent transfer out.
Its great that you have faith but you also have no hard facts to feel this is a good hire.

At least with Hermann we knew of his experience at the U of Houston which had great results

With this coach all we know is his HC experience isnt even above average and he was accused of having a drinking problem and he was fired mid season by USC

I fear we have thrown the baby out with the bathwater

Hope Im wrong
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: Mr Tulip on January 04, 2021, 01:30:23 PM
I'm going to figure that the Texas brass knew about the drinking thing and thoroughly vetted it before offering. From all indications, he's gotten a handle on those demons for now.

We knew Tom Herman won some big games at U of H. We also knew he'd only been on his own a couple of seasons and had never been on a stage as big as Texas. I'm not as down on Herman as most, and as stated I think he did the right thing changing assistants, but he was definitely challenged by the learning curve. Having active players tell recruits to stay away doesn't bode well.

I'm not guaranteeing loss free seasons with Sarkisian. However, he's coached P5 teams before. He brought UW out of the sewer. He's improved every QB he's worked with (something that's crippled Texas for a decade). Most of all, he adapted Alabama's offense when Saban himself was fussing against modern RPO offenses.

The guys with the bursting bank accounts have to know they can't do this again for a while. They're pushing credibility with their quick triggers. They have to live with this one.
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: longhorn320 on January 04, 2021, 01:46:54 PM
Quote from: Mr Tulip on January 04, 2021, 01:30:23 PM
I'm going to figure that the Texas brass knew about the drinking thing and thoroughly vetted it before offering. From all indications, he's gotten a handle on those demons for now.

The guys with the bursting bank accounts have to know they can't do this again for a while. They're pushing credibility with their quick triggers. They have to live with this one.
Im not suggesting he still has a drinking problem only that he used bad judgement in the past.

Another question is how well does this guy recruit

We are continually in a dog fight for recruiting so can he go out and get the 4 and 5 star players

what quality of assistants does he have coming with him

too many unknowns to give me comfort

Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: FearlessF on January 04, 2021, 04:48:01 PM
As a senior, Sarkisian opened BYU's 1996 season by passing for 536 yards and six touchdowns in the Cougars' 41–37 upset victory over Texas A&M in the Pigskin Classic. The 536 yards passing were the most ever by a player against Texas A&M. Sarkisian finished the game with a 46-yard touchdown pass to K. O. Kealaluhi to seal the victory.
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: utee94 on January 04, 2021, 04:56:12 PM
So he likes to whip up on the ags.  That's a positive.
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: longhorn320 on January 04, 2021, 05:02:39 PM
Quote from: utee94 on January 04, 2021, 04:56:12 PM
So he likes to whip up on the ags.  That's a positive.

yep if we still played em
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: FearlessF on January 04, 2021, 05:04:37 PM
yer still recruiting against them
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: utee94 on January 04, 2021, 05:21:43 PM
yup
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: Gigem on January 04, 2021, 06:25:01 PM
So it’s all Alabama’s fault right?  Not one mention of the Ags out recruiting the horns and having a surging program that has contributed to the Horns troubles?  


We took a lot of heat by opening the checkbook for a top flight proven coach and it’s looking more like money well spent, and in fact may turn out to be a relative bargain. I think we will finish #3 this year, but if we don’t we won’t drop below #5. 

Sark was a head scratcher, but he must be well thought of to land the job. But then again almost all the head coaches brought in were well thought of right before they were shown the door. We dang sure made bad choices with Fran, Sherman, and Sumlin. 

Mack has NC in pretty good shape in his 2nd season. It’s funny, all you were on here crying about GD GD all those years, Mack finally gets rid of him, the program tanks, get rid of Mack, program tanks worse. 

I firmly believe that when it comes to coaches, Nobody knows Nothin’™️
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: utee94 on January 04, 2021, 06:38:28 PM
Huh? Who said it's all about Alabama?

I said it's mostly about Oklahoma.

We don't even play A&M.

If Texas is beating OU, winning the B12, and getting into the CFP, then recruiting to Austin isn't an issue. Heck, even without those things, Herman recruited well, aside from this most recent cycle after it was clear Herman was on his way out and his own players started negative recruiting the program.


Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: utee94 on January 04, 2021, 06:44:26 PM
But it's good to see you, Gigem, and congrats on the Orange Bowl win.  My i s c & a aggie wife was quite happy with the win, and with beating Mack Brown. :)
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: Gigem on January 05, 2021, 01:06:34 PM
I know it's probably not as prestigious as being in the CFP but I'll take a win and possibly a top 4 ranking (not sure how that works) for the year.  I don't think we've finished in the top 4 since '39.  
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: longhorn320 on January 05, 2021, 02:29:16 PM
Quote from: Gigem on January 05, 2021, 01:06:34 PM
I know it's probably not as prestigious as being in the CFP but I'll take a win and possibly a top 4 ranking (not sure how that works) for the year.  I don't think we've finished in the top 4 since '39. 
hey its 2020 why not
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: utee94 on January 06, 2021, 09:08:22 AM
It's still 2020???  AAARRGGGHHHH let me out!
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: nwms on January 06, 2021, 05:01:34 PM
texas’ problems are about texas, whatever they are

that’s usually the case at every school that’s struggling to do whatev
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: FearlessF on January 06, 2021, 05:07:24 PM
a Bearcat?

Welcome aboard
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: longhorn320 on January 06, 2021, 06:20:32 PM
was that a Bearcat

Man they are rare in these parts
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: CWSooner on January 06, 2021, 06:36:55 PM
A non-Cincy Bearcat.  Been a long time since I've seen one of them!
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: Cincydawg on January 06, 2021, 07:18:37 PM
Quote from: Gigem on January 05, 2021, 01:06:34 PM
I know it's probably not as prestigious as being in the CFP but I'll take a win and possibly a top 4 ranking (not sure how that works) for the year.  I don't think we've finished in the top 4 since '39. 
You will do what UGA did last year, noting that the CFP committee has no final poll, only the AP/UPI (or whatever they call it today).  A&M should end up 3rd.  It'll be amusing to watch Cincinnati drop even though they went toe to toe with UGA and lost on something of a fluke.

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Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: utee94 on January 07, 2021, 08:25:04 AM
Yes it probably worked out best for the ags that Clemson lost.  Putting A&M over 2-loss Clemson and 2-loss Notre Dame will be more palatable for the voters.  A 1-loss Ohio State would have been tempting to leave in front of them, I think, especially if that loss were extremely close.

Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: Cincydawg on January 07, 2021, 11:30:54 AM
I figure the AP final poll will be something close to this:

1.  Bama
2.  Ohio State (I'm presuming a Bama win)
3.  A&M
4.  Clemson
5.  OU
6.  UGA
7.  It gets murky here.  Six of the top ten lost their games, which has to be very unusual.  I'll go with Cincinnati.
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: Gigem on January 07, 2021, 11:35:25 AM
A very good outcome to an otherwise miserable year. 
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: Cincydawg on January 07, 2021, 11:48:38 AM
Yeah, I agree, considering if either of our teams caught the whirlwind and won the NC, it would be dubious.
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: utee94 on January 07, 2021, 12:07:12 PM
Quote from: Cincydawg on January 07, 2021, 11:30:54 AM
I figure the AP final poll will be something close to this:

1.  Bama
2.  Ohio State (I'm presuming a Bama win)
3.  A&M
4.  Clemson
5.  OU
6.  UGA
7.  It gets murky here.  Six of the top ten lost their games, which has to be very unusual.  I'll go with Cincinnati.

You think OU and Georgia finish above a Notre Dame team that played in the CFP?
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: longhorn320 on January 07, 2021, 12:18:34 PM
Quote from: utee94 on January 07, 2021, 12:07:12 PM
You think OU and Georgia finish above a Notre Dame team that played in the CFP?

Dont know about Georgia but theres no doubt in my mind OU had a better team at season's end then ND
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: FearlessF on January 07, 2021, 12:34:27 PM
Quote from: utee94 on January 07, 2021, 12:07:12 PM
You think OU and Georgia finish above a Notre Dame team that played in the CFP?

they would if I were voting
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: utee94 on January 07, 2021, 01:30:40 PM
Yeah I wasn't really challenging it, just wondering if he accidentally or intentionally omitted the domers, since he also didn't even mention them as a possibility for #7 and suggested putting Cincy there instead.
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: Cincydawg on January 07, 2021, 01:53:26 PM
Yeah, the Domers will probably finish too high obviously, but they have two bad losses.  I think you are right they will finish 5 or 6.
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: CWSooner on January 07, 2021, 02:54:37 PM
I think OU will be ranked ahead of Notre Dame because the Irish finished the season losing twice, and badly.

OTOH, Notre Dame will have 10 wins vs. OU's 9.

It will be interesting to see where Clemson finishes.
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: FearlessF on January 07, 2021, 03:42:13 PM
I would put clemson ahead of ND
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: Cincydawg on January 08, 2021, 07:48:49 AM
Amending my "ranking" (of what I expect, not what I'd do), I'd find room for ND at 7 I think and Clemson at 5 and OU at 6, UGA at 8.

Such minor shifts obviously are not important.  Some teams like to claim a top ten finish, which is fine with me I suppose.

Has anyone ever seen 6 of the top ten lose in bowl games?  And we'll add one more technically.
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: longhorn320 on January 08, 2021, 09:45:07 AM
Quote from: Cincydawg on January 08, 2021, 07:48:49 AM
Amending my "ranking" (of what I expect, not what I'd do), I'd find room for ND at 7 I think and Clemson at 5 and OU at 6, UGA at 8.

Such minor shifts obviously are not important.  Some teams like to claim a top ten finish, which is fine with me I suppose.

Has anyone ever seen 6 of the top ten lose in bowl games?  And we'll add one more technically.
This is real important so take your time
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: Gigem on January 08, 2021, 01:49:31 PM
I admit I was super PO'd about being left out of the CFP but ending the season at #3 is a huge step forward for my program and a pretty darn good year to boot.  It worked out since I didn't think A&M could beat either Alabama or Ohio St in the playoff, but I feel that we were a much improved team from week 2 to the end of the year.  It would have been nice to go H2H again with Bama, maybe get lucky or something and make it to the title game.  Either way I'll take it.  
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: CWSooner on January 08, 2021, 05:14:54 PM
Quote from: Cincydawg on January 08, 2021, 07:48:49 AM
Amending my "ranking" (of what I expect, not what I'd do), I'd find room for ND at 7 I think and Clemson at 5 and OU at 6, UGA at 8.

Such minor shifts obviously are not important.  Some teams like to claim a top ten finish, which is fine with me I suppose.

Has anyone ever seen 6 of the top ten lose in bowl games?  And we'll add one more technically.
Who's your amended #4?
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: Cincydawg on January 08, 2021, 05:30:36 PM
1.  Bama
2.  Ohio State (I'm presuming a Bama win)
3.  A&M
4.  Clemson
5.  OU
6.  ND
7.  UGA

8.  UC

Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: CWSooner on January 10, 2021, 11:47:39 AM
That looks about right.
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: Cincydawg on January 10, 2021, 01:14:37 PM
It's interesting I think that OU started out so badly and end up ranked top five, maybe.
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: longhorn320 on January 10, 2021, 02:35:08 PM
Quote from: Cincydawg on January 10, 2021, 01:14:37 PM
It's interesting I think that OU started out so badly and end up ranked top five, maybe.
Lots of teams did this in 2020 due to the problems from the virus

lack of practice time etc
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: FearlessF on January 10, 2021, 05:11:10 PM
Iowa State didn't start well
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: CWSooner on January 10, 2021, 06:50:26 PM
Quote from: Cincydawg on January 10, 2021, 01:14:37 PM
It's interesting I think that OU started out so badly and end up ranked top five, maybe.
OU should have won both those games it lost.  Had it done so, and then run the table (no guarantee), it would have finished in the top 4 and made the CFP.  Where, if it had lost another semifinal, it would have finished 10-1 and probably about #4.
Not much difference.
I don't think this year's OU team was playoff-worthy or playoff-ready, despite the defensive improvement.  (Unless they got to play Notre Dame.)  The Sooners will finish about where they deserve to finish, IMO.
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: utee94 on January 11, 2021, 09:32:13 AM
Quote from: CWSooner on January 10, 2021, 06:50:26 PM
OU should have won both those games it lost.  Had it done so, and then run the table (no guarantee), it would have finished in the top 4 and made the CFP.  Where, if it had lost another semifinal, it would have finished 10-1 and probably about #4.
Not much difference.
I don't think this year's OU team was playoff-worthy or playoff-ready, despite the defensive improvement.  (Unless they got to play Notre Dame.)  The Sooners will finish about where they deserve to finish, IMO.
Well yeah, an undefeated OU B12 champ absolutely would have made it into the CFP, and would have been ranked #2.  Ohio State would have been #3 and 1-loss Clemson #4 over Notre Dame, most likely.

OU was playing really good football at the end of the year, and I don't think I'd assume a loss to Ohio State in that instance.  Would have been a really good game I think.
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: Cincydawg on January 11, 2021, 10:55:33 AM
Quote from: CWSooner on January 10, 2021, 06:50:26 PM
 The Sooners will finish about where they deserve to finish, IMO.
And they will finish about where they started, but not where they were after 3 games.

It's to their credit they didn't panic.
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: utee94 on January 11, 2021, 12:09:23 PM
Quote from: Cincydawg on January 11, 2021, 10:55:33 AM
And they will finish about where they started, but not where they were after 3 games.

It's to their credit they didn't panic.
They started off with some youth and inexperience, including QB position.  

And they got better all season long.

I wonder what it's like, to see good coaching actually improve a team over the course of a season?  Must be nice.
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: Cincydawg on January 11, 2021, 12:17:56 PM
Notre Dame is an interesting team I think in most years, good enough to post a gaudy record, and then they get thumped in a bowl/PO game.

It has to grind on their fans some.
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: Cincydawg on January 11, 2021, 12:30:35 PM
Projecting the final college football AP Top 25 poll (247sports.com) (https://247sports.com/college/georgia/LongFormArticle/AP-Top-25-rankings-College-Football-Playoff-Alabama-Ohio-State-final-poll-projection-159014334/#159014334_5)

These guys have ND ahead of OU, but it's two early close Ls versus two thumpings late.
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: utee94 on January 11, 2021, 01:18:26 PM
I think the OU we saw at season's end would beat ND pretty handily.
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: FearlessF on January 11, 2021, 01:34:36 PM
Quote from: Cincydawg on January 11, 2021, 12:17:56 PM
Notre Dame is an interesting team I think in most years, good enough to post a gaudy record, and then they get thumped in a bowl/PO game.

It has to grind on their fans some.
good
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: Cincydawg on January 11, 2021, 05:15:19 PM
UGA fans of course feel "slighted" by not closing the deal when they have a good team, but at least they have not been blown out in CFP games.  Yet.

They were for one half.

I wonder how much of this lingers in the minds of committee members.
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: Gigem on January 12, 2021, 12:20:50 AM
So...wonder if A&M will receive any votes for #2?  Not that it’s any consolation but we do have a pecking order in cfb. We were kept out of the CFP because we lost to Alabama 52-24, same as tonight’s tilt. Oh well, I think if we had got in it probably would have been the same result vs Bama. 

I wonder if Clemson just had a bad game or what?  OSu looked overmatched by halftime. 
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: Mr Tulip on January 12, 2021, 09:59:30 AM
I think, at their best, tOSU can put up a fight against Alabama. They're good enough.
Justin Fields was injured in the previous game. That definitely wasn't tOSU's best. The injury was obviously a huge concern, and the Buckeyes played to protect him. Without that dynamic dimension, all they could do was try hard.

Alabama's offense is an NFL rookie camp. I'm excited to see what Sark can make out of the parts at Texas next season, but it's clear that the 'bama roster is something special that the Horns don't have (yet, I hope).
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: FearlessF on January 12, 2021, 12:01:48 PM
OSU was missing a few players out with COVID

most notably, 2 D-linemen

may have helped in the trenches vs the run and also with pressure vs the pass game

but even with a full 2 deep, Bama would have been the stronger team imo 
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: Gigem on January 12, 2021, 12:55:42 PM
Injuries are just part of the game, and so is COVID.  I did hear that OSU was wanting to postpone the game due to COVID and there was a lot of pressure against that.  2020 is in the books, here's looking forward to 2021.  
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: FearlessF on January 12, 2021, 04:02:15 PM
I didn't hear that OSU wanted to postpone the game.

I understand the pressure to play the game on schedule, but why not wait a week if more starters would be available?

Saban and the SEC didn't want the full challenge?

ESPN has something important to broadcast next Monday Night?
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: utee94 on January 12, 2021, 04:37:12 PM
The CFP is made entirely for TV.

The nc game is already so far beyond the bowls that it's hurting the ratings-- I'm not kidding when I tell you that I completely forgot the game was on last night and didn't watch it.  I was making dinner for the kids, then we watched a few episodes of The Mandalorian, and then someone texted me in a group text about the ass-beating that Alabama was laying down on Ohio State, and then and only then did I remember there was a game.  I didn't bother to turn it on, though.

That problem would be even worse if they delayed it another week.

Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: FearlessF on January 12, 2021, 04:39:44 PM
hah, if a Big 12 team would have been playing you probably remember

Sooners or Cyclones
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: utee94 on January 12, 2021, 04:48:59 PM
Quote from: FearlessF on January 12, 2021, 04:39:44 PM
hah, if a Big 12 team would have been playing you probably remember

Sooners or Cyclones
Maybe.

But that's precisely my point-- the TV network needs to bring in the unaffiliated fan.  The further that date shifts past the bowl games and New Year's, the less likely it becomes that people with no real rooting interest are going to tune in.

Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: utee94 on January 12, 2021, 04:51:05 PM
Besides, COVID wasn't an excuse for delaying a game during the B1G's regular season, so why should it be in the post-season?  Exact same rules were applied in the post-season, which makes sense.
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: FearlessF on January 12, 2021, 05:13:11 PM
no delays, games were simply cancelled 
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: utee94 on January 12, 2021, 05:28:58 PM
Quote from: FearlessF on January 12, 2021, 05:13:11 PM
no delays, games were simply cancelled
Exactly.  I suppose Ohio State could have asked to cancel the game...
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: CWSooner on January 12, 2021, 09:11:30 PM
Stinkin' playoff!  :(
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: utee94 on January 13, 2021, 03:17:53 PM
https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/1349131095141281793
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: FearlessF on January 13, 2021, 03:50:46 PM
another reason Bama needs to drop a few spots
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: utee94 on January 13, 2021, 05:16:48 PM
For sure, there's some Alabama fatigue at play here.  And probably some Ohio State/Clemson fatigue as well.

All of that plus the long delay and a weird COVID season anyway.



Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: FearlessF on August 30, 2021, 12:23:03 PM
(https://scontent.ffod1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/p526x296/237453589_4650496408360292_449112213429982274_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=a26aad&_nc_ohc=atDce3OAMHgAX80Dj0D&_nc_ht=scontent.ffod1-1.fna&oh=a07fe27c45738fb27c61318e466069e4&oe=615399AD)
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: longhorn320 on August 30, 2021, 12:50:55 PM
longhorn not understand post
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: FearlessF on August 30, 2021, 01:54:45 PM
Boomer Sooner!

in a can
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: utee94 on August 30, 2021, 02:29:29 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/tKSE8pn.png)
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: CWSooner on August 30, 2021, 08:01:37 PM
Somebody doesn't know how to spell "sucks."
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: longhorn320 on August 30, 2021, 09:10:31 PM
Quote from: CWSooner on August 30, 2021, 08:01:37 PM
Somebody doesn't know how to spell "sucks."
leave it to a sooner to tell us how to spell "sucks"
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: Thumper on August 31, 2021, 12:12:59 AM
Leave it to Longhorns to lead by example.
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: CWSooner on August 31, 2021, 07:23:45 PM
Quote from: longhorn320 on August 30, 2021, 09:10:31 PM
leave it to a sooner to tell us how to spell "sucks"
Somebody's got to do it.
Keep you guys from misspelling your favorite word.
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: MikeDeTiger on August 31, 2021, 07:40:39 PM
Y'all are mean.  I don't want y'all in my conference.  
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: FearlessF on August 31, 2021, 11:22:31 PM
tough shit buddy

I didn't wanna be in their conference either back in 1996
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: utee94 on September 01, 2021, 08:17:58 AM
Quote from: FearlessF on August 31, 2021, 11:22:31 PM
tough shit buddy

I didn't wanna be in their conference either back in 1996
Yeah y'all are doing SO much better without us...
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: FearlessF on September 01, 2021, 10:12:30 AM
sorry, was drinking tequila last night and attempted to add some froth

but yes, doing much better than Iowa St., Kansas St., Kansas, and Okie St.  The other remnants of the good ol Big 8
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: utee94 on September 01, 2021, 10:57:23 AM
Quote from: FearlessF on September 01, 2021, 10:12:30 AM
sorry, was drinking tequila last night and attempted to add some froth

but yes, doing much better than Iowa St., Kansas St., Kansas, and Okie St.  The other remnants of the good ol Big 8

All of those schools except Kansas have better football programs than Nebraska does right now.  

If you're talking strictly about money, well, okay.  But then you just sound like an arrogant wealthy Texican.  Is that REALLY what you want to sound like?
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: FearlessF on September 01, 2021, 12:04:25 PM
talkin bout $$$

I wish it wasn't this way, but it's what makes the world go round

with the current state of Husker football, just glad we made the move when we had the chance - UNL would be screwed today
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: utee94 on September 01, 2021, 12:07:29 PM
Quote from: FearlessF on September 01, 2021, 12:04:25 PM
talkin bout $$$

I wish it wasn't this way, but it's what makes the world go round

with the current state of Husker football, just glad we made the move when we had the chance - UNL would be screwed today

 Believe a Longhorn fan when I tell you this-- money's completely pointless when it's not translating to on-field success.  I would know.  There's no Revenue National Championship trophy.

And not to belabor the point here, but if y'all hadn't made the move at all, the B12 would still be intact, in its original incarnation.

Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: FearlessF on September 01, 2021, 12:40:33 PM
I agree, money doesn't buy championships

unfortunately, the greedy SOBs that lead universities are very interested in loads of money and only use athletic championships to help produce even more revenue

and your point about the crystal ball is interesting, but there's absolutely no way of knowing what might have been if UNL hadn't joined the B1G 
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: Cincydawg on September 01, 2021, 01:06:34 PM
froth (n.)

c. 1300, from an unrecorded Old English word, or else from Old Norse froða "froth," from Proto-Germanic *freuth- "froth" (source also of Swedish fradga, Danish fraade). Old English had afreoðan "to froth," from the same root. The modern verb is late 14c., from the noun. Related: Frothed; frothing.

Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: utee94 on September 01, 2021, 01:16:49 PM
Quote from: FearlessF on September 01, 2021, 12:40:33 PM
I agree, money doesn't buy championships

unfortunately, the greedy SOBs that lead universities are very interested in loads of money and only use athletic championships to help produce even more revenue

and your point about the crystal ball is interesting, but there's absolutely no way of knowing what might have been if UNL hadn't joined the B1G
Yeah yeah, you can keep telling yourself that, frothy one.
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: FearlessF on September 01, 2021, 01:22:08 PM
headed to the golf course

will try to stay of the Agave juice

I was on the golf course last night
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: utee94 on September 01, 2021, 02:06:14 PM
Fore!
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: CWSooner on September 01, 2021, 07:34:57 PM
Wise man say:

Decade with much money and no championships better than decade with no money and no championships.
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: FearlessF on September 02, 2021, 10:04:22 AM
wise man

not rich arrogant man
Title: Re: Where is the Froth?
Post by: utee94 on September 02, 2021, 12:28:58 PM
I don't drink a cappuccino very often, but when I do, I expect some top notch froth.