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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Hawkinole on December 22, 2020, 12:27:23 AM
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It is in jeopardy. Kirk Ferentz and a total of 6-coaches tested positive for the virus. An undisclosed # of players described as, "multiple players" tested positive, and in-person football activities are paused. They are preparing "virtually."
They say they intend to play. I have no idea how that could be as the game is Dec. 30, less than 9-days away.
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They would be playing short-handed.
Coaches have a 7 day pause, not 17 like the players.
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coaches just get in the way
why not just put the speaker in the QB's helmet like the NFL, call plays from the press box
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They would be playing short-handed.
Coaches have a 7 day pause, not 17 like the players.
Dec. 26: Iowa is practicing again. They will be short-handed. Interesting about the pause for coaches v. players.
I thought maybe bombing downtown Nashville might put the game in jeopardy, but apparently not. COVID-19 passes so easily. With practice resuming I think the game could still be in jeopardy with asymptomatic spread.
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Everyone who is practicing likely had a negative PCR test, so no further spread.
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coaches just get in the way
why not just put the speaker in the QB's helmet like the NFL, call plays from the press box
You'd think they'd be able to do that....but aren't there rules against it? I know that Saban complained about not being able to coach wirelessly when he had it.
Either way it is kind of stupid.
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Cancelled - due to Mizzou
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Dammit.
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Damn. I wanted to see Iowa smack someone around from another conference.
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I wanted to see Mizzou knocked down a peg. Oh well.
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I wanted to see Mizzou knocked down a peg. Oh well.
They will do it to themselves one way or another.
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coaches just get in the way
why not just put the speaker in the QB's helmet like the NFL, call plays from the press box
I hate that aspect of the NFL.
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This game was just not meant to be played.
Bombing in Nashville
Iowa players pause practice dur to COVID
Mizzou stupidly lets players go home for Christmas and guess what? 20 players came back with COVID.
One way or another, this game was going to get canceled.
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I hate that aspect of the NFL.
I'd much rather have the QBs calling plays in the huddle w/o too much help from the coach
like back in the 70's
but, that would certainly limit the number of QBs that could play the position
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Mizzou stupidly lets players go home for Christmas and guess what? 20 players came back with COVID.
What's even worse is Iowa did the right thing and made their players isolate during the holidays, instead of going home. Now these players missed this time with their families for nothing.
Sadly, this isn't the first time Mizzou has found a way to back out of a game against Iowa.
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so, this could be an example of players being safer playing football than going home?
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so, this could be an example of players being safer playing football than going home?
sure but at what expense? being isolated outside of practice is no way to live.
weird year and it does show that if a school or team decided not to participate in a bowl game and allowed their players the time with family, they should be applauded opposed to Missouri who screwed their opponent (Iowa).
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I agree with you
was just stating an example from discussions before the season started regarding player safety
There's no question why some in the B1G didn't want Mizzou as a member years ago.
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I agree with you
was just stating an example from discussions before the season started regarding player safety
There's no question why some in the B1G didn't want Mizzou as a member years ago.
I'd still vote to include Missouri in the league. Every league needs a bad guy, and Rutgers just isn't good enough to be a legit villain.
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Texas or Notre Dame play a much better villain than Mizzou
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Mizzou-as-villain is new to me.
All I ever have had against them is that they always seemed to have high, heavily-watered grass at Faurot Field.
They got badly screwed a couple of times by official malfeasance back in Big 8 days.
Now they're just another escapee from the bad old Big 12 days. Like the Huskers, the Aggies, and the Buffs.
Miss Mizzou did sort of hike her skirt up and give Mr. Big Ten a glimpse of thigh. To no avail, of course.
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The fact that a Music City Bowl, or a Mayonnaise Bowl, or whatever non CFP bowl you can think of, was scheduled was stupid. Is the NFL planning some random preseason games for January? With opt outs obviously
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The fact that a Music City Bowl, or a Mayonnaise Bowl, or whatever non CFP bowl you can think of, was scheduled was stupid. Is the NFL planning some random preseason games for January? With opt outs obviously
And this is why CFB is going to crap. The playoff BS has ruined everything. A bowl game used to be a reward for the kids, coaches and the fan who support them. Now, it's just another game. That is a crying shame.
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I'd still vote to include Missouri in the league. Every league needs a bad guy, and Rutgers just isn't good enough to be a legit villain.
Ya they are more of a fit than the 2 Big Jim felt he had to recue
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Yes, me too
I would take Mizzou over Rutgers today and would have taken them back in 2010 too.
Iowa needs another trophy game. Bring on the Honey War Trophy.
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Texas or Notre Dame play a much better villain than Mizzou
I don't see Texas ever coming to the BIG. They would have to give up too much money and no way they equally share the income from the Longhorn network. I think that would be the driving factor for ND as well.
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agreed, Texas would only join if the Big 12 fell apart and they decided against going independent.
It's always about the money
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Yes, me too
I would take Mizzou over Rutgers today and would have taken them back in 2010 too.
Iowa needs another trophy game. Bring on the Honey War Trophy.
Mizzou is a better fit in either division of the Big Ten than in the SEC East.
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Mizzou is a better fit in either division of the Big Ten than in the SEC East.
Yup you could have put Mizzou in the West and Purdue in the East, replacing Rutgers
Or you could put Mizzou, ILL and Purdue in the (South) East and put MSU and Mich in the (North) West. Again Rutgers is out.
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So what is/was wrong with Mizzou that made the Big Ten be not interested? Their academics are better than Nebraska's (and OU's as well). Missouri has a bigger population than Nebraska.
Was it just Huskers are better than Tiggers?
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So what is/was wrong with Mizzou that made the Big Ten be not interested? Their academics are better than Nebraska's (and OU's as well). Missouri has a bigger population than Nebraska.
Was it just Huskers are better than Tiggers?
IIRC Mizzou forgot the first rule of campaigning to be elected pope: Never do it publicly.
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IIRC Mizzou forgot the first rule of campaigning to be elected pope: Never do it publicly.
Yeah, it's all coming back to me now.
Like the hot kiss at the end of a wet fist.
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I still think the B1G made the right call with Nebraska (I know some other Iowa fans may disagree). One, they aren't going to be down forever. The Huskers will probably never return to their level of dominance in the 90s, but there's still no reason they can't compete with Wisconsin, Iowa and Northwestern for the West crown on a yearly basis. Two, they have a ton of fans (I'm willing to bet that fans that live in the state of Nebraska are a distinct minority. I can't name too many other fanbases that have a sizable presence in literally every part of the country, and even abroad)
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Did the B1G make the right call rejecting Mizzou?
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not if it meant adding Rutgers
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Rutgers was probably the right choice over Missouri as it adds NYC TV sets to Big Ten football Saturdays. Not that NYC (or New Jersians) care about college football but advertisers do care about that market.
If we exclude #s of TV sets, Iowa State would have been better than Rutgers. They have a bigger fan base for football. Generally Iowa State has had good men's (and women's) basketball the past 3-decades.
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That's just it I'm not sure more TV sets are tuned into Rutgers football in the N.East than Mizzou in St.Louis/KC
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That's just it I'm not sure more TV sets are tuned into Rutgers football in the N.East than Mizzou in St.Louis/KC
True, but all those other B1G alumni in the NE are getting BTN too.
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Like the hot kiss at the end of a wet fist.
Never figured you as into kinky - but hey live like you wanna live
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That's just it I'm not sure more TV sets are tuned into Rutgers football in the N.East than Mizzou in St.Louis/KC
ratings are just part of it.
when BIG demands to be on the basic lineup, that's 50 cents per subscription
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Never figured you as into kinky - but hey live like you wanna live
he's a Sooner - nuff said
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HA!Living close to Texas will do that
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Did the B1G make the right call rejecting Mizzou?
Probably, it depends how things work out in the next round of realignment.
This was all about fanbase size (after academics, of course). Missouri is much more populous than Nebraska but as noted above, Nebraska has numerous fans outside of Nebraska. Mizzou is probably only the majority in part of their own state and I doubt they have more than a handfull of out-of-state fans.
I think it had more to do with growth and growth potential than with current population. IMHO, Big Jim always wanted to move SE. Maryland made sense because it opened that door and because Maryland is in (or at least adjacent to) the DC Metro area.
DC is the 8th most populous Metro Area in North America and 6th in the US. Here are the biggest:
- NYC - quasi in the B1G via Rutgers, and that is why Rutgers was added.
- LA - Nowhere close geographically so not a possibility.
- Chicago - Solidly B1G Country.
- DFW - Nowhere close geographically so not a possibility unless Texas decides they want to join.
- Houston - See DFW.
- DC - quasi in the B1G via Maryland.
- Philly - quasi in the B1G via PSU.
- Miami, FL - Nowhere close geographically so not a possibility.
- ATL - Probably not a possibility but GaTech does get mentioned from time-to-time.
- Boston - Probably not a possibility and not terribly desirable because it is NOT a CFB town.
- San Fran - Nowhere close geographically and not a CFB town.
- PHX - Nowhere close geographically.
- Inland Empire, CA - Nowhere close geographically and not a CFB town.
- Detroit - Solidly B1G Country.
- Seattle - Nowhere close geographically.
- Minneapolis/St Paul - Solidly B1G Country.
- San Diego - Nowhere close geographically.
- Tampa - Nowhere close geographically.
- Denver - Colorado actually does border the B1G now (NE) but this is still FAR from the core of the league.
- St Louis - In theory Mizzou would add this but I question to what extent and to what extent the B1G doesn't already have STL based on Illinois, Iowa, Nebraska, and others.
- Baltimore - In the B1G via Maryland
- Charlotte - NC is what Big Jim always wanted, IMHO.
- Portland - Nowhere close geographically.
- Orlando - Nowhere close geographically.
- San Antonio - see DFW/Houston.
- Pittsburgh - In the B1G via PSU and tOSU.
- Sacramento - Nowhere close geographically.
- Cincy - In the B1G via tOSU.
- Vegas - Nowhere close geographically.
- KC - In theory Mizzou would add this but I would be there are more UNL fans than Mizzou fans in KC anyway (3 hours from Lincoln, 2 hours from Columbia).
- Cleveland - In the B1G via tOSU.
- Columbus - Solidly B1G Country.
- Austin - See DFW/Houston/SA.
- Indianapolis - Solidly B1G Country.
The list I used shows the 50 most populous Metro Areas in N. America and the other 16 are in Mexico, Canada, the Caribbean, and Central America.
Here are the B1G states by population (2020 Est) along with 2010-2020 growth:
- #5 PA, 12.8M, 0.6%, 81k
- #6 IL, 12.6M, -1.9%, -243k
- #7 OH, 11.7M, 1.4%, 157k
- #10 MI, 10M, 0.8%, 83k (Michigan was #8 right behind OH in the 2010, census and had been #8 since being passed by FL between the 1970 and 1980 census). GA and NC both passed them since the 2010 census.
- #11 NJ, 8.9M, 1.0%, 90k
- #17 IN, 6.8M, 4.2%, 271k
- #19 MD, 6.1M, 4.9%, 282k
- #20 WI, 5.8M, 2.6%, 146k
- #22 MN, 5.7M, 6.7%, 353k
- #31 IA, 3.2M, 3.8%, 117k
- #37 NE, 1.9M, 6.1%, 111k
The structural problem facing the B1G in the long-term is slow growth compared to the rest of the country. The five most populous states in the league's footprint are basically stagnant and the faster growing states are so small that their growth isn't significant anyway.
Missouri fits in nicely with the exisiting, slow growing B1G states. They are 18th and grew by 2.7% or 163k from 2010-2020.
States and territories growing by double-digit percentages from 2010-2020:
- 18.5%, DC, 111k
- 17.6%, UT, 486k
- 16.8%, TX, 4.2M
- 16.5%, ID, 259k
- 16.2%, NV, 438k
- 16.1%, AZ, 1M
- 15.6%, FL, 2.9M
- 15.5%, CO, 779k
- 14.4%, WA, 969k
- 13.8%, ND, 93k
- 12.8%, SC, 593k
- 11.2%, NC, 1.1M
- 10.7%, OR, 410k
- 10.6%, GA, 1M
Additionally, the 12th most populous state VA grew by 7.4% or 590k from 2010-2020.
Most of those fast growing states are either too far away or too small to consider. The exceptions, IMHO, are VA and NC. That is why I've always thought that we turned down Mizzou because they are a slow growing state like nearly all of the existing B1G states and the league's long-term goal is to add those two states. The eventual additions will likely be either UVA or VaTech and either UNC or NCST. My guess is that the ACC will collapse/merge and the B1G will take UVA and UNC while the SEC takes VaTech and NCST setting up two in-state B1G/SEC rivalries.
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Never figured you as into kinky - but hey live like you wanna live
You never listened to the Firesign Theater?
"The Further Adventures of Nick Danger, Third Eye" (https://youtu.be/RwG5c9IsgbA)
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Have no idea what that is
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You're probably too young.