3-7 Mississippi State going to the Armed Forces Bowl. 9 win Army misses a bowl.That makes no sense. Did Army opt out?
I'm surprised so many teams are opting out of the bowl games. I get that this year is the worst ever, but I would think the kids would want to play and that the coaches would want the extra practice.Many teams have been at least somewhat bubbled since the season began. They've not been allowed to visit family or friends, even over Thanksgiving. A lot of them are ready for that to end, and get back to some normal life. Especially with the Christmas holidays at hand.
They are probably safer in the bubble??Don't think they're particularly worried about safety, and just want to see family and friends.
They are probably safer in the bubble??Emotionally no
Emotionally noI don't know. I'm sure they would like to see family, but I'd argue that they are better off with their team than we are, from an emotional standpoint.
I don't know. I'm sure they would like to see family, but I'd argue that they are better off with their team than we are, from an emotional standpoint.
This will be the first time ever that we will not be seeing any family or friends for Christmas.
I'm making Alton Brown's turkey. A small turkey.
See if they were at home they could make Alton Brown's Turkey - or notYup. It's our choice to do so, and it's their choice too.
They've been isolated for months. Their peers have not. Many of them are emotionally exhausted from that and they don't see the point in continuing it, just to play in a meaningless exhibition game.I'm not saying they should be forced.
And some of them DO want to play, and those are the teams that aren't opting out.
Looks pretty simple to me, it's preposterous to force them to continue isolating when the season is over.
I'm not saying they should be forced.Well if they're following protocal they really are
I'm not saying they should be forced.Then what are you saying? If you're saying they should be allowed to choose... well then... they are choosing. I guess you don't agree with their choice, but I do. This season has been a beating for them, and it's now over. If they want to return home and see their family and friends, they should.
Then what are you saying? If you're saying they should be allowed to choose... well then... they are choosing. I guess you don't agree with their choice, but I do. This season has been a beating for them, and it's now over. If they want to return home and see their family and friends, they should.I'm saying this:
I'm surprised so many teams are opting out of the bowl games. I get that this year is the worst ever, but I would think the kids would want to play and that the coaches would want the extra practice.
I'm just now realizing that many of my fellow northerners have never seen Duke's mayo before. I slowly made the transition after moving to Indiana. Homemade is still best, but Duke's is good stuff. We still end up w both Heilmans and Duke's in fridge.Well, that seals the deal. I'm going to get some Duke's.
I'm saying this:OK, and I'm saying-- I'm not surprised at all. This season has been a complete beating for the players. Many of them are tired of it and would rather break free from the bubble and live their lives. They don't see the point in continuing the exhausting rigor, just to play in a meaningless exhibition game.
I conquered Myrtle Beach a few times.HA!
They are probably safer in the bubble??This is true.
HA!
The Ohio-MB thing always makes me laugh.
I've never heard of Duke's Mayo, so I looked it up. I guess it's a thing down here. I'll buy some on my next shopping trip.My wife is a Hellman's loyalist. But we bought a jar of Duke's on our last trip to the grocery just to see if there's any significant difference.
I don't blame the kids.Big Ten teams opting out makes less sense to me.
I blame Coach Frost for allowing them to vote and make the decision for the team.
for teams that had a successful season and feel good about next season, that's fine. The Huskers obviously need more practice and game reps for young players.
I know this was decades ago in a different time and world, but Osborne would have accepted a bowl invite and the extra practice that came with it.
Big Ten teams opting out makes less sense to me.I think having your dick in your hand from Aug to midOctober is a contributing factor as well. At some point the player has to feel like a hostage.
Like ACC or SEC, you're at 10 games. Nebraska was only at 8.
I remember driving into Myrtle Beach on the way to play golf nearby.Does the Dells have the Pirates Voyage? And 125 miles of billboards for it?
I was like, this is just like Wisconsin Dells, except w Palmetto Trees . I suppose the one distinction would be, MB seems stuck in time. It has a late 80s early 90s vibe to in the building style and color schemes.
I've never heard of Duke's Mayo, so I looked it up. I guess it's a thing down here. I'll buy some on my next shopping trip.I know Alton Brown is a big fan of it.
Yeah, I don't get it really. There are much closer beaches, and it isn't like there is some mega highway connecting the two places. In fact it is actually a pain in the arse to get to Myrtle Beach from Columbus. The only part that was interstate was the stretch across WV and west VA. The Ohio and Carolina routs were pseudo freeways that had long stretches with traffic lights and intersections instead of exits. You literally have to cross the entire state of NC this way, from the NW corner to the SE corner of that state. Not sure why folks didn't just go to Ocean City or Virginia Beach.This confused the HELL out of me until I realized what you were trying to say lol...
Does the Dells have the Pirates Voyage? And 125 miles of billboards for it?Speaking of billboards, does "South of the Border" still exist, with 125 miles of "Pedro" welcoming you to it?
I THINK NOT!
Big Ten teams opting out makes less sense to me.It's my understanding that they were still following quarantine regulations,so the lock up time is still the same
Like ACC or SEC, you're at 10 games. Nebraska was only at 8.
It's my understanding that they were still following quarantine regulations,so the lock up time is still the sameThat is fair.
Speaking of billboards, does "South of the Border" still exist, with 125 miles of "Pedro" welcoming you to it?Yes. A weird place with some odd history.
This confused the HELL out of me until I realized what you were trying to say lol...
Engine search turned up this
Yes, I was playing off of the whole John Denver Country Roads thing there. Everyone and their grandma thinks that he wrote the song about WV (including WV University), but in reality it was about west VA, which contains all of the geographical features that he mentions in the lyrics.
Well Denver himself sang it when the Mountaineers opened their new stadium.Unfortunately he's not around to ask and prolly wouldn't want to hurt others feelings.....like you :DIf he'd have stuck to Mountain Roads we could ask him.
Who is Cincydawg rooting for in the Cincy-Dawg game? :017:@Cincydawg (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=870) ?
If he'd have stuck to Mountain Roads we could ask him.Forget what happened did he have a heart attack while flying?
I don't blame the kids.The odd thing here is that UNL was the most vocal of all the schools in wanting to play this year. What changed?
I blame Coach Frost for allowing them to vote and make the decision for the team.
for teams that had a successful season and feel good about next season, that's fine. The Huskers obviously need more practice and game reps for young players.
I know this was decades ago in a different time and world, but Osborne would have accepted a bowl invite and the extra practice that came with it.
The odd thing here is that UNL was the most vocal of all the schools in wanting to play this year. What changed?Illinois and Minnesoota happened
Yes, I was playing off of the whole John Denver Country Roads thing there. Everyone and their grandma thinks that he wrote the song about WV (including WV University), but in reality it was about west VA, which contains all of the geographical features that he mentions in the lyrics.I didn't know that, but it makes sense.
Illinois and Minnesoota happenedWell if the league carried its weight, they'd play the full season and they still wouldn't be bowl eligible.
I didn't know that, but it makes sense.Per The Font of All Wisdom and Knowledge, it's about West Virginia.
I've always wondered about the "Shenandoah River" part, as only the last few miles of the Shenandoah are in WV.
"Take Me Home, Country Roads", also known simply as "Take Me Home" or "Country Roads", is a song written by Bill Danoff (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Danoff), Taffy Nivert (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taffy_Nivert) and John Denver (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Denver) about West Virginia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia). It was released as a single performed by Denver on April 12, 1971, peaking at number two on Billboard's US Hot 100 singles for the week ending August 28, 1971. The song was a success on its initial release and was certified Gold by the RIAA on August 18, 1971, and Platinum on April 10, 2017.[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Take_Me_Home,_Country_Roads#cite_note-United_StatesJohn_DenverTake_Me_Home,_Country_RoadsingleCertRef-2) The song became one of John Denver's most popular and beloved songs. It has continued to sell, with over 1.6 million digital copies sold in the United States.[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Take_Me_Home,_Country_Roads#cite_note-roughstock_sales-3) It is considered to be Denver's signature song (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signature_song).[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Take_Me_Home,_Country_Roads#cite_note-Unplug-4)
The song has a prominent status as an iconic symbol of West Virginia, which it describes as "Almost Heaven". In March 2014, it became one of the four official state anthems (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._state_songs#State_songs) of West Virginia.
Illinois and Minnesoota happened
Whatever. It’s ours now.
Yes, I was playing off of the whole John Denver Country Roads thing there. Everyone and their grandma thinks that he wrote the song about WV (including WV University), but in reality it was about west VA, which contains all of the geographical features that he mentions in the lyrics.
Army replacing Tennessee in the liberty bowl against West VirginiaI’d rather play Army anyway. Tennessee can take their 3-7 record and stay home.
Whatever. It’s ours now.
I’d rather play Army anyway. Tennessee can take their 3-7 record and stay home.This is not a good vintage of Army, but I'd rather them than a Vols team that probably wants no part of it
Yes, I know of that particular technicality, but I am not buying that John Denver wrote the song about the tiny little Eastern Panhandle of WV that is nestled between Maryland and Pennsylvania.I call B.S.
I call B.S.
The geographic features are in both Virginia states and Maryland. The writer of the song (Bill Danoff) came up with most of the lyrics while driving winding roads in Maryland. He changed adjusted Maryland to West Virginia to help the song have a better ring. And again the features mentioned are large and winding and in multiple states.
Source: https://www.wideopencountry.com/john-denver-take-me-home-country-roads-this-state/
I’d rather play Army anyway. Tennessee can take their 3-7 record and stay home.hey, at least Army wanted to play
The Boca Raton Bowl?That just smacks of Holiday Tradition,rather resurrect the Astro Blue Bonnett BowlThe cover story for why Houston's bowl game is the creatively named Texas Bowl rather than the Bluebonnet Bowl is that the organizing committee for the Bluebonnet folded up owing money to everyone and his dog, and therefore any organization that tried to resurrect the old name would inherit the debts.
The cover story for why Houston's bowl game is the creatively named Texas Bowl rather than the Bluebonnet Bowl is that the organizing committee for the Bluebonnet folded up owing money to everyone and his dog, and therefore any organization that tried to resurrect the old name would inherit the debts.
I don't know that I buy that.
I think it's more likely that the Houston PTB figured that "Bluebonnet" just didn't sound "Texas" enough. So, what could be more "Texas" than "Texas"?
BTW, if you've ever been in the middle of a field of bluebonnets in bloom, you'll not forget it. It's a beautiful sight.
In 1990, waiting to go on the aerial gunnery range at Fort Hood, we sat down in a field of bluebonnets. Really cool!
Bring back the Bluebonnet Bowl!
The problem with that is that the area indicated is north (or northern) Virginia, not western Virginia.
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Bluebonnets are extremely Texas-y, so I don't think that's it.Maybe so. The other Texas bowl games have "manly" names. Cotton picking is man's work. Working on the Frisco railroad was man's work. Being in the Armed Forces was man's work once upon a time. First Responders are manly men, even when they are women.
I think they probably just didn't think it "manly" enough.
The problem with that is that the area indicated is north (or northern) Virginia, not western Virginia.
I think the song was intended to refer to West Virginia, even though the geographical description would be better for the northern part of Virginia.
But whoever insists that songs have to be factually correct?
Maybe so. The other Texas bowl games have "manly" names. Cotton picking is man's work. Working on the Frisco railroad was man's work. Being in the Armed Forces was man's work once upon a time. First Responders are manly men, even when they are women.Hell, I had no clue what bluebonnets are. I only knew it was an ice cream brand.
But I wonder if kids today--outside of Texas--even know what bluebonnets are.
They grow up with some amazing gaps in their knowledge.
They know the cheat codes for every video game and they know how to hack into porn sites.
But ask them what continent contains the Mississippi River and they look at you like it's a trick question.
Maybe they don't know what bluebonnets are, or what connection they have to Texas.
And, as the explanation for hideous uniforms has it, it's all about pleasing the kids.
oh, don't worry, there are plenty of Texans that will educate you once you move inYup, Texans are horrible and obnoxious and overbearing and also overly wordy know-it-alls. You'd hate interacting with them. So don't move here.
just ask them about ANY subject
WVU paddled TCU’s butt in the 84 Bluebonnet Bowl. They broke out special jerseys with the players’ names on the back which they normally didn’t do back then.Halfway through reading this, I thought you were going to explain the specific kind of paddles they broke out.
Yup, Texans are horrible and obnoxious and overbearing and also overly wordy know-it-alls. You'd hate interacting with them. So don't move here.Sounds like I'd fit in.
Thank You For Your Support
The ice cream, on the other hand, is "Blue Bell." Not "Bluebonnet."Ahh. Then I knew even less about bluebonnets than I thought I knew, which was nothing.
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Halfway through reading this, I thought you were going to explain the specific kind of paddles they broke out.That would have made for a better post. “They broke out individual paddles with the name of a TCU player on each one.” That would be pretty bad ass.
The ice cream, on the other hand, is "Blue Bell." Not "Bluebonnet."I'm familiar with Blue Bunny.
Yeah, but I think Bluebonnet used to distribute it?maybe Blue Bell, but I don't think so
The project's goal was to store a number of ten-kiloton nuclear mines in Germany, to be placed on the North German Plain and, in the event of Soviet invasion from the east, detonated by wire or an eight-day timer in order to "... not only destroy facilities and installations over a large area, but ... deny occupation of the area to an enemy for an appreciable time due to contamination ..They built a Doomsday Device?
INGREDIENTSI'm not eating this green sauce.............
FOR THE SPICES
- 5 tablespoons Worcestershire sauce (75 ml)
- 1 tablespoon ground allspice
- 2 ½ teaspoons salt
- 2 ½ teaspoons liquid smoke
- 2 teaspoons hot sauce, like Tabasco
- 1 ½ teaspoons freshly ground black pepper
- 1 ½ cup Carolina vinegar style tangy BBQ sauce, like Heinz (354 ml)
- 1 ½ cup Carolina mustard style BBQ sauce, like Heinz (354 ml)
On the maps you posted, there's a lot of Virginia west of the Blue Ridge. Even moreso when you consider the Shenandoah River.
The Blueridge Mountains literally run the full length of the state, from North to South and everywhere in between, and it does this along the western border of the state just east of West Virginia.
Now Virginians may refer to their regions with some geographic liberty by which only the panhandle constitutes west Virginia, while the much taller western border that is located north of the panhandle is all just lumped in as north Virginia, but John Denver being a Coloradoan would not be privy to the local clichés.
With all that being said, it is clear that the Blueridge Mountains cross the east end of the panhandle. If that isn't western Virginia, then nothing is.
Hell, I had no clue what bluebonnets are. I only knew it was an ice cream brand.(https://imagesvc.meredithcorp.io/v3/mm/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.onecms.io%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fsites%2F28%2F2016%2F03%2FTexas-Bluebonnets-Spring-15-TXBLOOMS0316.jpg)
I guess I'll have to study up on my Texas-ness if I'm gonna move to Austin.
Enjoy them while you can, before they get canceled. :67:
"Shenandoah" is probably my favorite Native-American-language place-names.
"Susquehanna" is another great one.
I'm familiar with Blue Bunny.Same here.
Enjoy them while you can, before they get canceled. :67:Snoqualmie? That doesn't exactly roll off the tongue the way Shenandoah does.
My favorite is Snoqualmie Falls.
On the maps you posted, there's a lot of Virginia west of the Blue Ridge. Even moreso when you consider the Shenandoah River.(https://media.tenor.com/images/4a215c9d0e1a249e8419bf4c49e46d46/tenor.gif)
That ice cream is going to taste terrible, CDawg.Doubt it would melt though,prolly liquify
Same here.Sure you guys aren't thinking of this
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And then there is this.
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Snoqualmie? That doesn't exactly roll off the tongue the way Shenandoah does.Our tongues are different??
Heh! Not clearly at all. Names don't have to reflect reality.
Clearly everything west of the easternmost point of West Virginia is western Virginia.
Otherwise West Virginia would be called North Virginia.
This song was written over a century ago when the whole state was West Virginia. Then, in the Civil War, Virginia, the eastern portion, seceded from West Virginia.I hear that's how it went on Earth II.
Heh! Not clearly at all. Names don't have to reflect reality.
In the Russian Communist Party before the October Revolution, the minority faction was called "Bolshevik," meaning "majority." The majority faction was called "Menshevik," meaning "minority."
Yes, it would be asinine. Just as calling a mountain chain that by the maps you furnished does not touch the far western border of the state "running along the entire length of the western border" of said state would be asinine.
Yeah, and Virginia extends farther west than does West Virginia.
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Nevertheless, calling a mountain chain that runs north and south along the entire length of western border of the state anything other than the western part of the state is asinine.
Heh! Not clearly at all. Names don't have to reflect reality.Every evil, radical far-right
In the Russian Communist Party before the October Revolution, the minority faction was called "Bolshevik," meaning "majority." The majority faction was called "Menshevik," meaning "minority."
Yes, it would be asinine. Just as calling a mountain chain that by the maps you furnished does not touch the far western border of the state "running along the entire length of the western border" of said state would be asinine.Are you kidding? The running joke among West Virginians is when you tell someone you are from West Virginia their typical response is, “Oh, like around Richmond?”
But keep on saying it does. That's fine.
But while you're at it, find out if anyone calls western Virginia "west Virginia."
BYU putting UCF in a pine boxIt should be called the "Del Boca Vista" Bowl
Are you kidding? The running joke among West Virginians is when you tell someone you are from West Virginia their typical response is, “Oh, like around Richmond?”
Check this out.
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But while you're at it, find out if anyone calls western Virginia "west Virginia."
This thread got kinda shitty.West Virginia talk not going away...
Two games todayHmmmm.
New Orleans Bowl
3 pm, ESPN
Louisiana Tech v. Georgia Southern
Not exactly the most interesting set of teams, (Southern is 65th on F+ and Tech is 110th :(). But Southern likes to run a lot of option football, so that can always be interesting to watch. Unfortunately, they are also having QB health issues so who knows what they will look like. Meh.
Montgomery Bowl
7 pm, ESPN
Florida Atlantic v. Memphis
Willie Taggart returns to the postseason with FAU, facing a Memphis team that squeaked out a lot of wins to get to 7-3. Memphis is 64th on F+ and FAU is 90th. The most fun thing about this game is it may be the only one ever. The bowl game was originally going to be the Fenway Bowl to be played at Fenway Park in Boston, but COVID derailed that plan, so the Fenway Bowl will debut next year, and the Montgomery Bowl may be long lost.
Not great games, but it's better than NOT having football to watch, so I'm good.Like not having snow for Christmas
Yeah, I got a little sidetracked on my description of the route form Columbus to Myrtle Beach. My bad.If you are in that area again you might want to consider Mountain Lake Lodge. It is about an hour away in Pembroke, VA right on the Appalachian Trail. I stayed there one night of a weekend trip to hike the trail. It is where Dirty Dancing was filmed, very scenic.
At any rate, the only part of that trek that was Interstate was the part that ran through West Virginia and the portion of northern Virginia that is located directly south of WV, near Virginia Tech and ODU.
Stayed at Pipestem both ways. Pipestem rules, btw.
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Man, even I cannot feign any interest in either of those.I have my annual bowl bet with my brother - it's for lunch
No kidding. Every East Coast state treats their largest coastal city as though it is the center of the state.Not quite every state, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina?, Virginia? I guess you could claim they don't have a large coastal city? Savannah is a fair size as is Norfolks.
I used to drive from Cincy to Raleigh, NC to see the in laws. Back in the day, the WV Turnpike was both TOLL AND TWO LANES!!!!Somewhere Lewis and Clark are snickering
I-75 wasn't finished on Jellico Mountain yet, so that route was not very good. That was a long drive with 55 mph speed limits. What a droll idea that was.
No GPS either.
Almost Heaven!!!One of only two times I've been there it was almost Heaven upon arrival.
Uncle Billy wouldn't recognize the placeMy 2Great Grandfather was in "Uncle Billy's" Army when it burned Atlanta then his unit got dethatched and sent North. When the war ended he was in Eastern Tennessee.
Reposting here because for some reason this ended up in the basketball Thread the first time...It's usually played in Albuquerque but got moved this year due to COVID. The most interesting part of its history is that it was once sponsored by Dreamhouse Productions, until they discovered that company didn't exist and the founder was a huge scam artist.
So today we have the New Mexico Bowl.
Which doesn't involve any team from the state of New Mexico. And will be played in Texas.
An I missing something here?
Albuquerque's mayor won't allow families to attend?They had a bunch of issues and restrictions, IRRC.
Reposting here because for some reason this ended up in the basketball Thread the first time...The money in some small way getting to the Albuquerque chamber of commerce.
So today we have the New Mexico Bowl.
Which doesn't involve any team from the state of New Mexico. And will be played in Texas.
An I missing something here?
It's usually played in Albuquerque but got moved this year due to COVID. The most interesting part of its history is that it was once sponsored by Dreamhouse Productions, until they discovered that company didn't exist and the founder was a huge scam artist.Ahh, I forgot about that guy! I didn't realize that was this bowl!
Was there actually a question as to the reason that it was moved to a different state?Covid.
In 2020, I am going to assume Covid until informed otherwise.
like California?Yes. The basketball team is playing their home games in Texas
is everyone leaving New Mexico too?
does anyone like Dana?He's always struck me as a bit of a sleazeball.
I took the 12.5 points and the rainbow warriors
does anyone like Dana?No, he’s a pretty unlikeable guy. I’ll say this for him though. If you look at his conference winning percentage transitioning WVU into the Big 12 it was right there with what Patterson and Whittingham have done at TCU and Utah. A lot of the fan base thought he underachieved here, but I always thought he did an altogether pretty decent job. Not outstanding, but respectable.
I took the 12.5 points and the rainbow warriors
No, he’s a pretty unlikeable guy. I’ll say this for him though. If you look at his conference winning percentage transitioning WVU into the Big 12 it was right there with what Patterson and Whittingham have done at TCU and Utah. A lot of the fan base thought he underachieved here, but I always thought he did an altogether pretty decent job. Not outstanding, but respectable.I think he's the right face for a program that wants to be a bit rebellious. Some schools eat that up. I never got the sense WVU wanted that.
But he’s a terrible face for a program.
Kinda hoping OU drops 70 now.That game has, to borrow the OAM term, 24ing potential.
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Florida has an excellent team but with very little depth. They have basically three great players and a bunch of mediocre roll players. Those great players are Kyle Trask, Kadarius Toney and Kyle Pitts, who is the best tight end I have ever seen. Pitts has opted out. Oklahoma should win this game by a couple scores.hope you're right, took the Boomers and the points in my bowl pool
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/65/59/0d/65590dec558949627290f6a3785ece40.jpg)I think I'd prefer a live cow named Ralphie running around shitting on things
Merry Christmas! Are you already tired of your family? Bowl season has you covered.I think that happened like in April, for a lot of people. That's why we blew out of Illinois in April to spend a coupla months down here. We still like each other.
Camellia Bowl
2:30, ESPN
Buffalo v. Marshall
We get a pretty good tilt on Christmas Day. The runner up of the MAC, Buffalo takes on the runner up in CUSA, Marshall. The teams look to be pretty evenly matched (Buffalo 35th on F+ and Marshall is 42nd) . Should be strength on strength - Buffalo is the #1 rushing offense in the land, and Marshall is the #1 scoring defense in the land. OTOH Buffalo is pretty average defensively and Marshall kind of sucks on offense. So we could get a good game.
That game has, to borrow the OAM term, 24ing potential.Not this year. Not the defensive part, anyway.
Rare Oklahoma catches a team with a better offense and worse defense.
Not this year. Not the defensive part, anyway.(My friend, that was the point, to be nice to the defense this year and nice to the UF offense)
OU has the 2nd-best defense in the Big 12 and is ranked 19th in total defense in FBS.
It's not a typical Saturday, but it's something.Good sir! The lending tree bowl has over 20 years of glorious history. None of that glorious history has involves holding on to a sponsor. And it might not be all that glorious, but it’s OK.
First Responder Bowl
3:30 pm, ABC
UTSA v. Louisiana
UTSA is a spunky little team - they can run the ball, play some defense, and have been good on not turning the ball over. They gave BYU all they wanted, and overall had a nice season for the 91st ranked team on F+.. But because the football world is run by idiots, they play Louisiana, who is a good team (27th) which already beat Iowa State by 17 and whose only loss was by 3 to Coastal Carolina. Usually we get ticket sales as the excuse as to why bowl officials do these kinds of things, but that seems like a weak one this year.
LendingTree Bowl
3:30 pm, ESPN
Western Kentucky v. Georgia State
Ah, let's gather round and celebrate the long history of the LendingTree Bowl. I'm not sure how it happened, but this game exists, featuring 5-4 Georgia State (82nd on F+) and 5-6 Western Kentucky (92nd on F+). How you get a bowl game out of that combo is news to me, but hey, if you watch, let me know how it goes.
Cure Bowl
7:30 pm, ESPN
Liberty v. Coastal Carolina
Well, here it is, the greatest Cure Bowl in history. Also a byproduct of college football idiocy, but at least the game might be good. Hugh Freeze and his Gemstones have had a great season, with the only blemish a 1 point loss to NC State and wins over Syracuse and Virginia Tech. Coastal Carolina has been awesome, and a lot of fun to watch on offense. This one is wider on the fancystats than I expected - CC is 13th (one spot ahead of TAMU) but Liberty clocks down at 49th. So, I dunno, I have a feeling Hugh Freeze will call in a few favors to get his team warmed up for this game.
(My friend, that was the point, to be nice to the defense this year and nice to the UF offense)Ah. Sorry that I missed it.
Ah. Sorry that I missed it.Heh, no worries. I would've been defensive too.
The sorry defense for five years (2015-19) has been the cause of much angst among Sooner fandom, especially when we consider the many great defenses of previous OU teams.
So I'm probably spring-loaded to go into defensive posture.
But it has been MUCH better this year in Alex Grinch's second year as DC. It's not great--yet--but it at least qualifies as good.
Meanwhile, the offense has taken a step backward this year. Freshman QB, loss of top two RBs, most of the OL starting the season fat and out of shape, poor 2nd-half play-calling by Lincoln Riley--there have been many explanations. It's the leading offense in the Big 12, but it's not a great offense.
I don't think we can win a shootout with Florida. We are going to need our defense to get some stops on the Gators.
Oh man - Utah RB Ty Jordan passes away from an accidental gunshot. Was just named the Pac Freshman of the YearJust terrible. I watched a game or two of theirs. It's way beside the point that he was enjoyable to watch, but he very much was.
One of the weirdest plays I’ve ever seen in CC and Liberty. Tie game with under a minute left. Liberty has the ball inside the 5 and CC has no timeouts. Liberty is purposely not trying to score a TD to set up a GW FG at the gun, while CC wants them to score to get the ball back.Should have just taken a knee. Bad coaching. He should never have stepped forward towards those defenders. Will cost them the game
The Liberty RB gets caught up in a scrum where the CC defenders are trying to drag him across the goal line while one of his TE is trying to pull him back to keep from scoring. In the midst of all that, the RB fumbles the football. CC recovers and we’re headed to OT.
Best game of the bowl season so far.Totally!
Should have just taken a knee. Bad coaching. He should never have stepped forward towards those defenders. Will cost them the gameYeah, I agree. But the RB played it perfectly the play before. Just stopped until they approached him and took a knee. For some reason he tiptoed toward the LOS the next play and got caught up in the scrum. Just bonkers to see the D trying to drag him across the goal line and his teammate literally jumping on his back trying to prevent it.
Florida played 2 defenses better (by total defense) than OU's, and the next-best was Alabama's this year. In those 3 games, the Gators scored 38, 44, and 46 points.
I don't think we can win a shootout with Florida. We are going to need our defense to get some stops on the Gators.
Zero bowl games today, and two tomorrow?ESecPN has Monday Night Football tonight.
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Florida played 2 defenses better (by total defense) than OU's, and the next-best was Alabama's this year. In those 3 games, the Gators scored 38, 44, and 46 points.Looks like the Gators top three receivers in Toney, Pitts, and Grimes are skipping the bowl game
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Luckily for the Sooners, this is the worst Florida defense in........possibly my lifetime? I'm gonna find out, brb.
**Wow, yep. Worst Florida defense....EVER. By 20 yards per game. EVER. EVERRRRRR. Boy, that's nuts.
Florida played 2 defenses better (by total defense) than OU's, and the next-best was Alabama's this year. In those 3 games, the Gators scored 38, 44, and 46 points.Just by raw yards a game? That would seem a slightly poor metric, if that's the case.
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Luckily for the Sooners, this is the worst Florida defense in........possibly my lifetime? I'm gonna find out, brb.
**Wow, yep. Worst Florida defense....EVER. By 20 yards per game. EVER. EVERRRRRR. Boy, that's nuts.
Looks like the Gators top three receivers in Toney, Pitts, and Grimes are skipping the bowl gameThere's your answer to expanding the Play offs
There's your answer to expanding the Play offsHow do you mean?
There's your answer to expanding the Play offsthis isn't a playoff game
What Mr N. is saying is that if Florida were in the playoff, these kids would be playing.Ahh, so he want's a bigger playoff?
I'm not going any further into his head. I've been advised.Very fair
What Mr N. is saying is that if Florida were in the playoff, these kids would be playing.IMO if it's expanded many will pack it in.Nothing wrong with what we have.Win your Conference or totally dominate opponents,if not you get what you get.The committee has gotten it right on the 6 Champions so far.
I'm not going any further into his head. I've been advised.:character0029: well there are more than one of us in here
Ahh, so he want's a bigger playoff?Um,no
this isn't a playoff gameI get that but they're pulling in the reigns more and more is my point - can't blame them specially this year.Suppose if I was in their place I'd at least ask the program to insure me then I'd suit up.Forget who but someone I heard actually had a Lloyds policy
just a bowl game like we've had since you were a kid
not easy or recommended to get in that dude's head and mill aroundCorrect more hazards in there than the courses you play
impermissible benefitI don't think so,simply a hedge against injury,if the wonks balk - sayonara,hello NFL
gotta have your agent put up that $$$
this isn't a playoff gameNope. Worse.
just a bowl game like we've had since you were a kid
some of us more than others, but trueI've never had a 2-pound burger of any type of ground beef.
speaking of burgers. I was gifted a 2lb package of USA Wagyu 80% ground beef.
should be a great burger
Nope. Worse.So it went from being top four to being top 6?
When I was a kid, the Cotton Bowl was one of the top 4 games of the post-season.
Now it's just another NY6 non-playoff bowl game 2/3 of the time.
The CFP is part of what's ruining college football.
Nope. Worse.I’m a child of the 80’s. This year’s matchup is basically like every Cotton Bowl when I was growing up. Two very good top ten teams that aren’t playing for a national title.
When I was a kid, the Cotton Bowl was one of the top 4 games of the post-season.
Now it's just another NY6 non-playoff bowl game 2/3 of the time.
The CFP is part of what's ruining college football.
Nope. Worse.
When I was a kid, the Cotton Bowl was one of the top 4 games of the post-season.
Correct,I think the Fiesta has sort of nudged it to 2 nd tier.
Now it's just another NY6 non-playoff bowl game 2/3 of the time.The CFP is part of what's ruining college football.
Maybe but the networks handing out participation Bowls certainly didn't help
I've never had a 2-pound burger of any type of ground beef.I'm thinking it will be divided into 4 or maybe 6 burgers.
You'll have to tell how it comes out.
A poster on a Buckeye Board brought up a good pointDoes ... does the playoff need more promotion?The NCAA wasn’t smart in giving exclusive rights to ESPN, not because it’s ESPN, but giving it to one singular network shuts out all of the other networks, like, NBC, Fox and CBS, and they have no incentive to promote the playoff. Joel Klatt mentioned this weeks ago, saying how after the conference championships, Fox is like “see ya good luck” to CFB as it goes into the post season, and doesn’t really care if it succeeds.
The NFL shares the Super Bowl with CBS, Fox, and NBC, so those networks have incentive to promote it and want it to succeed, even though it’s not their turn to broadcast it.
Does ... does the playoff need more promotion?That was my first thought, too. And it probably doesn’t to guys like you and me and anyone who takes the time to post on a college football message board. But to your more casual “who’s in the CFB playoff this year” fan maybe that’s a valid point. I know I’m guilty of sometimes thinking everyone pays as attention to college football as I do and then you get in a conversation with someone knows Les Miles is no longer at LSU but doesn’t know what happened to him. So, it might be something worth considering for those type fans.
rooting for the Big 12 today
money on Okie state and Texas
really not a fan of the Canes or Ralphie
I’m a child of the 80’s. This year’s matchup is basically like every Cotton Bowl when I was growing up. Two very good top ten teams that aren’t playing for a national title.At least twice during the 1960s, the MNC came out of the Cotton Bowl.
MrNubbz: Correct,I think the Fiesta has sort of nudged it to 2 nd tier.When the BCS began, and the four bowls were chosen to be part of the rotation, the Fiesta put in a higher/better bid (and/or paid bigger bribes) and the Cotton was left on the outside. Before that, the Fiesta Bowl didn't really have a claim to anything other than having been the site of undefeated BYU beating 6-win Michigan for the extremely mythical national championship.
I'm thinking it will be divided into 4 or maybe 6 burgers.But when you became a man, you put away childish things.
Back in my 20's I attended a backyard grill party. I threw a 2 lb package of ground beef on the grill as a burger. Didn't slice the raw white onion, just ate it like an apple along with the rare burger with some chips. No bun needed.
When the BCS began, and the four bowls were chosen to be part of the rotation, the Fiesta put in a higher/better bid (and/or paid bigger bribes) and the Cotton was left on the outside. Before that, the Fiesta Bowl didn't really have a claim to anything other than having been the site of undefeated BYU beating 6-win Michigan for the extremely mythical national championship.Not to quibble, but that happened in the Holiday Bowl.
At least twice during the 1960s, the MNC came out of the Cotton Bowl.It’s still a big bowl game. It still gets better matchups than most bowls but doesn’t figure into the NC picture most years. That’s the same as it ever was.
One of the dominoes that had to fall for the '75 Sooners to be playing for the MNC in the Orange Bowl vs. Michigan was 10-1 Texas A&M losing to 7-4 USC in the Cotton Bowl earlier that day.
Texas lost the 1984 MNC by losing 10-9 to Georgia in the Cotton Bowl. And I'm sure I'm omitting some other examples.
So, once upon a time it was a big bowl. I always thought of it as #4 of the four big bowls--the others being Rose, Orange, and Sugar--but maybe that's because the Big 8 champ never went there. And maybe also because Dallas at New Year's is not a glamorous or enchanting vacation destination.
Of course, the Rose Bowl, where the Big 8 champ also never went, was #1 as the Granddaddy of 'em all.
Now it's one of the NY6, so every three years it gets to host a "meaningful" game.
Some Florida fans are saying that the Gators will get stomped with all their top receivers sitting it out. Others are saying that they shouldn't even play the game, because it's irrelevant.
Which gets me back to my gripe about the CFP.
The Fiesta was always aggressive. One of the first to adopt a title sponsor. Barged into NYD, at first with a less attractive kickoff time but they got NBCs attention. Really waved around the checkbook and filled a void by wooing the Independent teams as well. Their move to pull in Miami and Penn St. really made a statement. To me that's the blow the Cotton Bowl couldn't recover from and of course the demise of SWCTo be fair, the sponsor was perfect. They're absurd and out of control now, but that was a perfect marriage.
BTW with these announcers doing games from home - does that impact anything for you? I wonder if they just decide to keep that up for these games. Seems like it saves money.Honestly, if I didn’t already know I couldn’t tell anything had changed with the broadcast of these games.
BTW with these announcers doing games from home - does that impact anything for you? I wonder if they just decide to keep that up for these games. Seems like it saves money.
Not to quibble, but that happened in the Holiday Bowl.Yeah, I just came back to correct that mistake! :smiley_confused1:
The Fiesta was started as a bowl game for ASU and UA to play in, while they were still in the WAC. It has quite a history.
Meh, the refs just wiped off a 2 point conversion from Miami that there wasn’t enough evidence to do so. No way you could unequivocally tell he was down before the ball crossed. 21-19 Okie Lite.I think that he was down before he got the ball across the line, but I didn't think they had enough evidence to overturn the call on the field to the contrary.
Wow, CU hasn't won a bowl game since Joel Klatt was their QB? Now he's just a talking head chode.....They don't look they're going to win this one either. Texas is threatening to go up 14-0 in the 1st quarter.
Hell of an effort by the Colorado RB to score that TD and get them back in the game. Texas was all over that sweep. Kid just wanted it.Yeah, he had no business scoring there.
To be fair, the sponsor was perfect. They're absurd and out of control now, but that was a perfect marriage.While Tostitos was perfect, it wasn't the first one or even the second sponsor for the Fiesta
While Tostitos was perfect, it wasn't the first one or even the second sponsor for the FiestaI had actually forgotten it was originally the Sunkist Fiesta Bowl and, yeah, that was a good fit too. Sunkist would actually be a great fit for the Orange Bowl too.
The Sunkist Fiesta was a great name. Remember the IBM OS/2 Fiesta? YouTube that game and check out the field conditions for that game. Just dreadful.
Sunkist would actually be a great fit for the Orange Bowl too.How dare you!
True story, I was visiting my younger brother in the triangle early 2000s, he was working for Durham Bulls. It was spring break and there was a Duke/Unc game @Chapel Hill. We ended up at a place called Hes not Here. This place couldn't/didn't serve liquor and we could tell that they were running out of beer as cups were covering handles and the transparent fridge case was getting thin. Selection was vanishing. Our WI contingent starting to notice this and we started buying 8-12 at a time and it was a scarce commodity. Pretty soon Hes Not Here became Beer's not Here.Obviously.
Badgers used to be solid 2 deep along the O-line2020.
10 big bruisers, maybe 11 or 12
The box score in this game is wildDidn't see this game. . My thats some drive chart.
The box score in this game is wild
WF QB is the UW MVP.I just came here to post almost exactly these thoughts. I didn't watch (at work) but just checked the box score and saw the WF outgained UW by nearly double (518-266) but lost the turnover battle 4-1. Also, UW's one turnover was a pretty harmless INT thrown right before the half from about midfield and intercepted on the WF 19. Thus, Wake simply ran one play and went to the locker-room all tied up. Wake also had two more quasi-turnovers, a blocked punt and losing the ball on downs after getting stuffed near midfield on a 4th and 1.
It’s really hard to outgain a team by that much and lose. That is nuts. Makes for an interesting question.OSU out gained Clemson last year 516- 416. Not the most extreme example, but you asked.
What’s the most your favorite team ever outgained an opponent and lost. Conversely, what is the most they have ever been outgained and won? Obviously, it will be hard to know the real answer to that but a couple of games jump to mind for me. In 2007, WVU outgained USF 437-274 and lost. 6 Turnovers. No suprise.
In 09, UConn outgained WVU 501-387 and lost. There may be more extreme cases but I remember that one. Going to be hard to beat that Wisconsin box score though.
having said that, uw's other drives in the box score don't exactly give a lot of confidence either.They sure don't, UW's non-scoring drives:
Okay, so Florida is missing:sounds almost as bad as Wisconsin
top 4 pass catchers
2nd best D-lineman
MLB
starting S
starting CB
Yeah, if OU doesn't roll, nothing can help them.
missing key players has always been a part of the gamemissing players like this is new. i don't like it. i understand it, but i don't like it.
it's called an excuse, when a team doesn't win
The little guy sprinting down the sideline waving a towel with every big OU play is cracking me up.Are you thinking of RBs coach DeMarco Murray? He ran down the sideline at least once.
Are you thinking of RBs coach DeMarco Murray? He ran down the sideline at least once.No, some white dude who’s about 5’8
I think I heard Sooner fans chanting, SEC, SEC, SECYou did.
No, some white dude who’s about 5’8Heh! That would not be DeMarco.
I think I heard Sooner fans chanting, SEC, SEC, SECconference realignment starting sooner than we thought.
conference realignment starting sooner than we thought.Alabama is joining the Big12?
I think the game meant more to OU than it did to UF. And UF was down some guys. We know a bit about that. The only other time we played the Gators DeMarco Murray was out with injury, incurred on a kick-coverage play in--IIRC--the Big 12 CCG.LOL
I think this game will show why the triple option is a thing of the past in the Big 12
Army v. West Virginia
A late arranged matchup when Tennessee dropped out, we get a good defense in West Virginia against the always fun triple option of Army. Decent enough on paper (WVU 40th on F+, Army is 55th). Army struggles against good offensive teams, but that hasn't been West Virginia, so if the score stays low we could get a pretty good game here.
Winning that game was nice and good. It was weird to watch the defense play like garbage, which usually hasn’t happened, and then watch it suddenly decide to save the offense, which played more competently than it has. We are done with the year, and I’m glad it is over for many reasons.I know the Badgers gave up a lot of yards, but almost 200 of them came on the first two drives, and on the very last drive, with all 2-3 string guys playing defense. In between all of that, the Badgers played pretty solid defense, getting stops when needed, and turnovers. Overall, I'll take it.
I know the Badgers gave up a lot of yards, but almost 200 of them came on the first two drives, and on the very last drive, with all 2-3 string guys playing defense. In between all of that, the Badgers played pretty solid defense, getting stops when needed, and turnovers. Overall, I'll take it.I mean, they came out and gave up 9 yards a play to go down 14-0 to a not good team, and after it was tied gave up 10 per play the first drive out of halftime, then 71 more yards.
I think this game will show why the triple option is a thing of the past in the Big 12/Climbs on small soap box that would pitch to a smaller, faster soap box
This offense is great if youre ahead but makes it difficult to have to come from behind especially late in the game
Not sure what covid has done to the Mountaineers but if they are healthy this should not be much of a contest
I know the Badgers gave up a lot of yards, but almost 200 of them came on the first two drives, and on the very last drive, with all 2-3 string guys playing defense. In between all of that, the Badgers played pretty solid defense, getting stops when needed, and turnovers. Overall, I'll take it.
Given that they only had two DL available to them, and one of those came off on a cart, I'll take it.
If you take away all of their bad plays, they were awesome.
/Climbs on small soap box that would pitch to a smaller, faster soap boxfor example: Mike Leach's air raid offense is 4th in the SEC and out of the top 15 this season. Not horrible, but not up to his standard.
Why is every damn option team game a referendum on the option? Like, it's a bowl, drawing much meaning from it is kinda silly.
It's especially silly in this bowl. First, this is not a good Army offense. Like, by the usual standards of any option offense, it's kinda dreadful. Second, WVU is not your normal Big 12 team in that it too is bad at offense and good at defense. Three, any time Army plays a P5 team, it should lose. Full stop. This is literally a team that can't recruit players bigger than a certain size. If WVU wins comfortably, nothing should be taken from it other than, this is how it was suppose to go.
Do I think the option would have some trouble in the Big 12 with the pace, but I think that to a degree is overblown. Option teams are generally underdogs. And when underdogs fall behind by 14-21, they mostly lose. If you're up-tempo, maybe it wins you a game every year or two, and maybe you lose about as many because you can't sit on the ball. Shoot, Bill Snyder played option adjacent football for years, and it was mostly OK to sometimes good. This isn't to say that Oklahoma should start with it, but Kansas? Maybe.
(I mean, lots of offenses look bad all the time, but we're never like, "Look, that one team couldn't manage a high-tempo balanced spread, can't work in that conference")
LOLI didn't know that UF was missing 9 starters last night. Is that right?
Let me put it in a proper context for you. Imagine your 08 Sooners facing Florida without:
WR Chaney
WR Iglesias
WR Johnson
WR Broyles
TE Gresham
DT McCoy
LB Lewis
CB Franks
S Jackson
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Not in terms of talent, man-for-man, but those positions and that aggregate.
I didn't know that UF was missing 9 starters last night. Is that right?Definitely sucks for Trask, whose stock probably took a big hit
In any event, most of them chose to skip it.
I sure didn't get ESPN having Pitts on there rambling on and on wishing his teammates well. You wish your teammates well? Show it with your actions, not empty words.
for example: Mike Leach's air raid offense is 4th in the SEC and out of the top 15 this season. Not horrible, but not up to his standard.msu is 2nd to last in scoring offense and bottom half in total offense. they're 5th in passing offense, which i guess is good since they basically forgo trying to run at all.
I think bowls should get some sort of player assurance of participation and the right not to invitethis year aside (i'm fine with player s opting out for covid reasons) i think once you make a commitment to the team you should honor it. i get wanting/needing to protect your future, and i can respect that. but i'm really big on keeping your word and commitments.
I think the game meant more to OU than it did to UF. And UF was down some guys. We know a bit about that. The only other time we played the Gators DeMarco Murray was out with injury, incurred on a kick-coverage play in--IIRC--the Big 12 CCG.i don't know what all ou has coming back, but they look to be one of the major contenders coming into 2021. uf was missing a lot, but i'm not sure it mattered with the way ou was playing. closer game for sure, but ou probably still wins fairly convincingly. 10-14 points or so.
But I'm really happy for the win. We had lost 3 straight CFP semifinals against SEC teams.
A lot of media guys were saying that OU would have been a tough out in the CFP this year. I don't know about that. We're a lot better than we were when we suffered 4th-quarter collapses against ISU and KSU to start conference play. And I think that had we won either of those games, we would have been in the CFP. But we're still not there, IMO.
We still need the D to get better, and Rattler will be better, more mature, next year.
AS a player, I would opt out were I draftable. As a fan, I dislike it of course, but it makes sense to me.I've always questioned how a bowl game is any more of an "exhibition" than a November game between a couple of 7-4 teams. I think this season, with COVID reasons, has opened the door to that going forward.
AS a player, I would opt out were I draftable. As a fan, I dislike it of course, but it makes sense to me.i can't say i blame them, especially with millions on the line. but i'm not sure it's a good thing either.
OSU hardly has anyone opt out. Brandon Roby is the only one that jumps to mind.Denzel Ward.
If your players cannot wait to get the hell out of there, that's a problem.
OSU hardly has anyone opt out. Brandon Roby is the only one that jumps to mind.Could have used him vs Clemson and Taj Boyd/Sammy Watkins,they lost 40-35.He sat out,Shazior played Hurt and Fr phenom Noah Spence with 8 sacks was out.He had more than even Joey Bosa.Braxton played with a hurt shoulder that he reinjured in 2014 training camp.Somehow Clemson always has our Voodoo Doll
If your players cannot wait to get the hell out of there, that's a problem.
I'd guess 7-4 teams won't have that many draftable players, and the 1 or 2 they do have would likely be trying to improve their draft stock..
where do you buy the Sauer Kraut balls??? never heard of them
I see recipes on-line but none for sale
where do you buy the Sauer Kraut balls??? never heard of themSeriously,these were from the frozen section but local grocers make them by hand.I'm sure if you have a Krogers or even an Aldi's should have them in the freezer section.These have ham/kraut worcestershire & soy sauce,seasoned & breaded - damn good
I see recipes on-line but none for sale
dern, might have to make my ownAtta Boy have at it,wish I had mom's old recipe's.Cindi may have something,I'll let you know but the web's your friend
bowling for Kraut Balls!
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I've always questioned how a bowl game is any more of an "exhibition" than a November game between a couple of 7-4 teams. I think this season, with COVID reasons, has opened the door to that going forward.It isn't. But that just taps into norms. If a coach quits on his team for a bowl, NBD. If he does in November, it's a thing.
Cindy picked up some Sauer Kraut balls and Beef Taquitos(evidently a rolled up taco) - just came out of the oven,not a bad combo at allYeah, a taquito is a rolled taco, usually deep fried. Common out here for Baja Mexican food... I don't know if they're all that common in Tex-Mex.
Welp, I’m in for the year. Ran some errands for my wife, got my son and me a haircut, and then did my cardio (dropped 12 pounds since Sunday). My wife wants to do a meat and cheese board with fruit, and some wine. Not my preferred beer and wings but I can roll with it.Wine, a fireplace, and football is always a heck of a capper
Settling in by the fireplace and already started in on the wine. Tulsa just scored, btw.
I remember mom made them with pork sausage but don't have her increments available
Anyone have a good recipe for these sauerkraut balls? I think that could be a fun project.
Welp, I’m in for the year. Ran some errands for my wife, got my son and me a haircut, and then did my cardio (dropped 12 pounds since Sunday).Musta been a hell of a haircut
rooting for the HurricaneI do not understand why Zach Smith is playing QB for Tulsa. He is the 3rd-best QB on the team, but he has been the starter all year.
my brother has the Pirate
prepping for nfl is new. it's not first time it's happened, but it's still new. and covid is just exacerbating it. i get the covid reason and generally don't have any issue with that. i don't like nfl prepping, though i understand it.It has changed the whole experience of watching a non-CFP Bowl. The rest of them are more like pre-season scrimmages for next year's teams or at least can be especially with the new rule allowing redshirts to play.
OSU hardly has anyone opt out. Brandon Roby is the only one that jumps to mind.To be fair, this isn't really a fair comparison because tOSU has mostly been in CFP Bowls that actually matter.
If your players cannot wait to get the hell out of there, that's a problem.
If a player wants to opt out, he needs to make the decision before September 1st. Either sit out the whole season and give someone else your scholly, or honor your scholarship and play every game that you're able.This is where we're headed. Bosa showed you don't need to play any more, once you've shown you're dominant.
Do you think Trask should have opted out last night? After the fact, yes. He may have dropped into the 2nd round.I think he should have, but it is conditional. Once all those WR's opted out he should have as well because what happened last night wasn't really all that surprising.
Honestly, if I were a coach and my team was in a non-CFP Bowl, I think I'd opt not to play any seniors after the first quarter. Let them start and play a quarter but then spend the last three quarters seeing what I have for next year and getting my next year guys some live snaps. That would basically make Bowls into NFL preseason games.why even go that far. I wouldn't even have the seniors and others that weren't going to play the following season practice for the bowl.
Sourkraut balls sound horrendous. Kraut is one of those foods that I don't just dislike, but that I can't fathom how anyone likes it.it requires a very refined pallet
Sourkraut balls sound horrendous. Kraut is one of those foods that I don't just dislike, but that I can't fathom how anyone likes it.Same. I’m not a very picky eater but I tap out at kraut.
why even go that far. I wouldn't even have the seniors and others that weren't going to play the following season practice for the bowl.Ya it'll be like the night before the 1st Super Bowl 34 yr old Max McGee got smashed figuring he wasn't going to play.Then starting WR Boyd Dowler reinjured his shoulder practicing. McGee who stayed up partying with 2 stewardesses he met at the Hotel Bar didn't find out until he came stumbling back to his room at 6:30 AM and Bart Starr passed him going to breakfast told him.McGee caught 4 passes all year but had 2 TD grabs and 138 yds receiving total in one of the best perormances in a Title game.The Pack beat the Chiefs 35-10
Give all the practice reps and game reps to the guys coming back.
Let the seniors pick up their gift bag, eat well, go out on the town (no curfew).
Sourkraut balls sound horrendous. Kraut is one of those foods that I don't just dislike, but that I can't fathom how anyone likes it.
Same. I’m not a very picky eater but I tap out at kraut.Good more for us
Ya it'll be like the night before the 1st Super Bowl 34 yr old Max McGee got smashed figuring he wasn't going to play.Then starting WR Boyd Dowler reinjured his shoulder practicing. McGee who stayed up partying with 2 stewardesses he met at the Hotel Bar didn't find out until he came stumbling back to his room at 6:30 AM and Bart Starr passed him going to breakfast told him.McGee caught 4 passes all year but had 2 TD grabs and 138 yds receiving total in one of the best perormances in a Title game.The Pack beat the Chiefs 35-10I saw this story on some ESPN production (I think it was) and the interview with the guy was hysterical. He said he saw three balls coming at him so he just caught the middle one, LoL.
It has changed the whole experience of watching a non-CFP Bowl. The rest of them are more like pre-season scrimmages for next year's teams or at least can be especially with the new rule allowing redshirts to play.Before the final polls starting being after the bowl games, said games were regarded by many as exhibitions. Could we be going back to that state of mind?
Honestly, if I were a coach and my team was in a non-CFP Bowl, I think I'd opt not to play any seniors after the first quarter. Let them start and play a quarter but then spend the last three quarters seeing what I have for next year and getting my next year guys some live snaps. That would basically make Bowls into NFL preseason games.
Shew. WVU survives the Knights.now if Iowa St comes through the Big12 will have run the table
https://mobile.twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1344745862833041409?s=10
And the nominees for worst combined uniform schemes are....Was just gonna say,if either of these programs are trying to attract recruits IMO they're going about it all wrong
Deplorable. How many of those SEC thugs get expelled? arrested?Kids from both teams need to be disciplined. That one for msu that kicked the dude has had prior incidents. Be curious if leach will do anything. If he doesn’t I’d guess the league will.
Is it me or has Bo Nix been Auburn's QB for about a decade?
Georgia with a nice drive that stalls. 21-19. Heck of a game if you like to see hitting.Yeah, very physical game. Fun to watch.
Sounds like Zach Harrison is out as wellMight as well cancel the damn game,crap Georgia just scored with a flag
So is the argument that because they played an even game vs 7-2 UGA, Cincinnati should be in the playoff?The argument is they should be in the playoff because they are a good undefeated team. What no longer exists as an argument is they should have been excluded because they can't compete.
So is the argument that because they played an even game vs 7-2 UGA, Cincinnati should be in the playoff?I haven’t seen that argument made on here. Are you making it?
I haven’t seen that argument made on here. Are you making it?Stirring the pot as usual.
Man- Hudson getting tossed for his stupid targeting for Cinci- has been so costly.Gave up another sack to end the game. Feel bad for the kid. He just got exposed from the second he came in.
Kid who replaced him has false started 3 times, and given up 3 sacks, including a strip sack.
The argument is they should be in the playoff because they are a good undefeated team. What no longer exists as an argument is they should have been excluded because they can't compete.We have evidence that they can compete with a 7-2 Georgia team with 5 opt-outs that knew it wasn't going to win its division back in early November. You want them playing Clemson?
We have evidence that they can compete with a 7-2 Georgia team that knew it wasn't going to win its division back in early November. You want them playing Clemson?Why not?
For the same reason there are weight classes in boxing and MMA? How many opt-outs did Cinci have?They were missing their starting center they’re starting running back and they’re starting safety. Also the best office of Lyman got ejected for targeting and his replacement gave up three sacks and committed 3 offsides
They were missing their starting center they’re starting running back and they’re starting safety. Also the best office of Lyman got ejected for targeting and his replacement gave up three sacks and committed 3 offsidestheir
For the same reason there are weight classes in boxing and MMA?I mean, Clemson would be rightly favored. But they are favored by tonight. Maybe OSU should quit now, about the same argument as Cincinnati shouldn't be allowed to play.
I mean, Clemson would be rightly favored. But they are favored by tonight. Maybe OSU should quit now, about the same argument as Cincinnati shouldn't be allowed to play.You're not good at this.
I guess the real question is, do we think Cinci could hang with the 4th ranked team, Norte Dame?Not if 6 other teams could hang with ND, too. LOL
I think they answered that.
You're not good at this.He is making way more sense than you.
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A blueblood gets into the playoff having played far fewer games than everyone else, and because one team is a favorite and the other an underdog, you're linking OSU with Cincinnati?
Yeah, you're not good at this at all.
Not if 6 other teams could hang with ND, too. LOLSince everybody’s wondering I’ll just ask: what the hell are you trying to say? What argument are you trying to start?
Fickell probably going to take some criticism for that last UC offensive possession. Didn’t use all of the play clock on a couple plays and then threw the ball downfield on 3rd and 2 with UGA having no timeouts.Ya I was thinking the same thing,specially with the sacks and stopping the clock.But he may have thought that's what the Dawgs were thinking
He definitely gave the Dawgs some extra time to play with.
He is making way more sense than you.So by citing the ultimate "helmet team" advantage OSU has benefited from this season, he's making a good argument for Cincinnati's inclusion???
Ya I was thinking the same thing,specially with the sacks and stopping the clock.But he may have thought that's what the Dawgs were thinking(https://i.imgur.com/lPaPidj.jpg)
So by citing the ultimate "helmet team" advantage OSU has benefited from this season, he's making a good argument for Cincinnati's inclusion???We pretty much count on you always being wrong. However to defend you I can’t say you’re on here because I don’t think I know what the hell you’re even saying? You’re comparing basketball football??? What?
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I hope like hell you never agree with me, ever....because then I'd know I was wrong.
theirEvidently so does Clemson if they had to quit testing before the opposition.And we all know firm you are about taking covid seriously
So you're saying the G5 team has depth issues?
.Reduced to stealing others lines - sad
I hope like hell you never agree with me, ever....because then I'd know I was wrong.
You're not good at this.Buddy I'm not the one arguing recruiting rankings deserve more merit than results on the field.
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A blueblood gets into the playoff having played far fewer games than everyone else, and because one team is a favorite and the other an underdog, you're linking OSU with Cincinnati?
Yeah, you're not good at this at all.
Here, let me ask this - we know in college basketball, all the mid-majors get in and there are Cinderella stories and this and that. Gonzaga has worked its way up to a 1-seed from time to time, etc.Yep. UNLV is pretty notable.
Have any of those mid-majors won a NC? Given a fair shot year after year after year, have any of them actually won it all?
Buddy I'm not the one arguing recruiting rankings deserve more merit than results on the field.😂😂😂😂
Buddy I'm not the one arguing recruiting rankings deserve more merit than results on the field.Calling him Buddy might encourage him
Buddy I'm not the one arguing recruiting rankings deserve more merit than results on the field.Dishonest.
Yep. UNLV is pretty notable.A preseason #1 team is a mid-major? And that was put on probation soon after? That's your example?
Fickell probably going to take some criticism for that last UC offensive possession. Didn’t use all of the play clock on a couple plays and then threw the ball downfield on 3rd and 2 with UGA having no timeouts.
He definitely gave the Dawgs some extra time to play with.
A preseason #1 team is a mid-major? And that was put on probation soon after? That's your example?Well what on earth is your definition of a mid-major?
Prolly,nothing ventured,nothing gained
Luke beefed it.
btw, Cincinnati had the same chance at being in the playoff in August as it did a week ago. If your outrage is genuine, maybe bring it up before the season starts?Well again, I'm into results on the field, not anointing champions before the games start. I feel I've been consistent on this issue.
https://mobile.twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1344745862833041409?s=10
A preseason #1 team is a mid-major? And that was put on probation soon after? That's your example?So, mid-majors aren’t deserving of rankings high enough to get in the playoffs but as soon as they get a high ranking they are no longer a mid-major? There’s no wonder you never lose an argument with that logic. That’s air tight! Lol.
I did not have northwestern kicking auburns ass on my bingo cardGame seemed like an easy NW bet. I probably didn't expect to see the offensive production but they were the proper favorite.
Game seemed like an easy NW bet. I probably didn't expect to see the offensive production but they were the proper favorite.Oh I agree but did not expect them to to put up 35 and 450 yards. That's their best offensive game since their first game against Maryland
Did the announcer just say Notre Dame believes they're more physical than Alabama?That or the Arch Bishops Liquor Cabinet
Someone has been hitting the communion wine too hard in South Bend...
A preseason #1 team is a mid-major? And that was put on probation soon after? That's your example?Kentucky and Louisville have never been?Why do you think Tarkanian said The NCAA was so mad at Kentucky they gave Cleveland State 2 years.What about Villanova back in the day,put that thing out you'll burn your fingers
I did not have northwestern kicking auburns ass on my bingo card
So, mid-majors aren’t deserving of rankings high enough to get in the playoffs but as soon as they get a high ranking they are no longer a mid-major? There’s no wonder you never lose an argument with that logic. That’s air tight! Lol.That's fair, but now we're just gleaming over the fact that they cheated, lol.
That's fair, but now we're just gleaming over the fact that they cheated, lol.Eh well so did UCLA and John Wooden is a legend. It's tough out here.
A preseason #1 team is a mid-major? And that was put on probation soon after? That's your example?The Big West was high major? Interesting
Irrelevant to the conversation. Any other tangents you want to explore, do it on your own.Oh gee thanks for telling me what I'm allowed to say
So is the argument that because they played an even game vs 7-2 UGA, Cincinnati should be in the playoff?Cincy had missed out on their big goal. Just couldn’t get fully up for this one.
Buckeyes down two starters and two regularsif thats all they are missing then they are lucky
Harry Miller-left Guard, Tyler Friday- Defensive End, plus Master Teague and Zach Harrison.
Really boring gameGlad we were protected from having to watch Cincinnati
Glad we were protected from having to watch CincinnatiA&M would've been a better opponent. But helmetocity and such.
A&M would've been a better opponent. But helmetocity and such.Heh pretty sure we've seen how TAMU does against Alabama
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It's as if some people don't learn.....did you all see the graphic of ND in "major" bowls since 2000? They're not elite, they just have shiny helmets.
Good for themI agree though not being in the Citrus Bowl seems low on the list of grievances
https://twitter.com/Rygi13/status/1345112010078482433?s=19
Heh pretty sure we've seen how TAMU does against AlabamaWe saw how Cincinnati did against......TULSA!
We saw how Cincinnati did against......TULSA!Yeah we saw a victory. I actually think BYU might have made an interesting matchup, they have a better offense than Cincy (and TAMU)
I agree though not being in the Citrus Bowl seems low on the list of grievancesWhen you have a once in a generation season, just to get screwed by a postseason that is selected by helmet status rather than accomplishment, I don't blame them. Hell, they should have been ina NY6 bowl
When you have a once in a generation season, just to get screwed by a postseason that is selected by helmet status rather than accomplishment, I don't blame them. Hell, they should have been ina NY6 bowlHelmet status of Northwestern? They should have been in an NY6 bowl. Could have replaced Florida.
A&M would've been a better opponent. But helmetocity and such.You're saying in this game?
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It's as if some people don't learn.....did you all see the graphic of ND in "major" bowls since 2000? They're not elite, they just have shiny helmets.
You guys don't think they've have gotten the Citrus or NY6 if their QB was healthy?Maybe, though it's hard for me not to be super jaded on how these games are selected. No network wants to broadcast Indiana over a helmet or helmet adjacent team
But like you said, N'Western isn't sexy.True, but I didn't think Northwestern was undeserving of the nod either
Helmet status of Northwestern? They should have been in an NY6 bowl. Could have replaced Florida.Word
Would you put Indiana in over <gasp> Cincinnati?No
Would you put Indiana in over <gasp> Cincinnati?Would throw UNC out. Oregon is the other outlier, but there's a reason for that.
Would throw UNC out. Oregon is the other outlier, but there's a reason for that.I keep forgetting about ND in the ACC. 3 ACC teams is ridiculous
I keep forgetting about ND in the ACC. 3 ACC teams is ridiculousI don’t mind it if it makes sense. But this one seems silly. UNC is a good team, but that’s still weird.
Touchdown Irish we got this boysAlabama -19.5
Alabama -19.5Great Teams Cover
That TD ruined and made a lot of peoples' days...
Helmet status of Northwestern? They should have been in an NY6 bowl. Could have replaced Florida.Should have been in the NY6 over Florida or North Carolina.
Defense, what is it.Overrated. Let them score quick so we can score quicker.
Missing Harrison and Friday is a hit at DE though, considering they need to get some heat on Lawrence.
I keep waiting for turnoversShut your face.
Shut your face.In any direction, I should've prefaced.
Karma call via the roid boy?My 7 year olds reaction..."wait, the meathead guy has a twin brother?"
Karma call via the roid boy?And to clarify, I don't think that should be a foul, but Wade's shouldn't have been either, so, ok.
Neck roll to return to dustbin of history.He'll always be the trivia question, who is the only player to be ejected from multiple playoffs
That's fair, but now we're just gleaming over the fact that they cheated, lol.Who are we kidding here? That title wasn’t even vacated, like Louisville’s 2013 title was. All that happened in this thread was you came in here after the UGA game looking for an argument. You got what you wanted and asked a question about mid-majors winning titles. You got an answer that you didn’t expect (or had forgotten) and now you are using silly reasons to dismiss it.
Man I love Olave
This game is taking a huge toll on both teams.Yeah injuries suck. Smith got banged up and Mac twisted his ankle but didn’t come out for bama. And we were already missing our AA center from seccg and waddle from earlier. Looks like smitty and Mac are ok but definitely a scare.
Now we lose our all American Hurd- Wyatt Davis. Already lost Garrett on the D-line.
I hate when injuries force our inexperienced 5* dudes to have to play for our experienced 5* dudesIt's the beautiful struggle
Hey hey Jameson Williams. Also hasn't done much this yearFastest player on the Buckeye team though
That was a "little bit" of a push off? Refs gifted Clemson real early.10x more than the Payne Durham ”push off"...
Who are we kidding here? That title wasn’t even vacated, like Louisville’s 2013 title was. All that happened in this thread was you came in here after the UGA game looking for an argument. You got what you wanted and asked a question about mid-majors winning titles. You got an answer that you didn’t expect (or had forgotten) and now you are using silly reasons to dismiss it.So they didn't cheat?
So they didn't cheat?Who cares if they did?
Northwestern over AuburnGame ain't over yet
Ohio St over Clemson
Big Ten looking strong.
I feel bad that Jake Fromm is trending. Seems like it should be Kirby Smart
So they didn't cheat?Asperger Afro Man with his laser mis guided focus can't stop his trolling.
I will say, Shaun Wade.mayne should have stayed opted out, if NFL Draft stock was his only focus. I was shocked to see how many postseason honors lists he was on, and this is sort of reaffirming my thoughtsI think he's a really good football player, but he's not a lockdown corner and trying to be one isn't great for his football future. As a safety/linebacker hybrid, which is a thing these days, he's an ace.
I feel bad that Jake Fromm is trending. Seems like it should be Kirby SmartNone of it's fair, which makes sense that it's happening on the interwebs. Smart simply went with the incumbent and the old adage, "if it' ain't broke, don't fix it."
Asperger Afro Man with his laser mis guided focus can't stop his trolling.The blame for the MSU-Tulsa brawl was on the one side you say so.
Guys it's a disorder, he can't ever let this go, or say he is wrong. Just ignore him till he fixates on something else.
So they didn't cheat?Honestly, it was so long ago I didn’t remember the specifics but a quick Google search shows me they were put on probation in 1977 which started a long feud between Tark and the NCAA. There doesn’t seem to be anything related to the 89-90 title winning team. The title wasn’t vacated either.
In the wake of a three-year span where Tarkanian led his hip, high-flying Running Rebels to a 95-8 record, back-to-back appearances in the NCAA Final Four and the 1990 National Championship, the relationship between at least four UNLV players and a notorious east coast organized crime figure and convicted point-shaver resulted in his ouster at the school he put on the map.
So, no, I guess they didn’t.
ROAR!According to you, Kris can keep lobbing shots at me, but if I retort, I'm the troll. It must be fun being you.
According to you, Kris can keep lobbing shots at me, but if I retort, I'm the troll. It must be fun being you.Clinical Asperger trait.
One day into 2021, but there is more internet unity behind enjoying watching Dabo get his ass handed to him than any other issue in the past year.That and that Carol Baskins killed her husband.
In retrospect, a lot of failed 2020 presidential candidates seemed to miss the boat on a Screw Dabo platform.
Bada bing. What a winAll right Buckeyes, let's win one More.
All right Buckeyes, let's win one More.Nah. Sugar bowl champs seems sufficient.
Man- Hudson getting tossed for his stupid targeting for Cinci- has been so costly.That was the key play of the game. What a dumbass!
Kid who replaced him has false started 3 times, and given up 3 sacks, including a strip sack.
In the wake of a three-year span where Tarkanian led his hip, high-flying Running Rebels to a 95-8 record, back-to-back appearances in the NCAA Final Four and the 1990 National Championship, the relationship between at least four UNLV players and a notorious east coast organized crime figure and convicted point-shaver resulted in his ouster at the school he put on the map.In summary, a school gives up mid-major status when:
Less than two months after UNLV was upset by Duke in the 1991 Final Four, the Las Vegas Review Journal printed photos of notorious New York mob associate, Richard (Richie the Fixer) Perry, socializing in a hot tub and horsing around on his backyard basketball court with Running Rebel stars Anderson Hunt, David Butler and Moses Scurry, accompanied by a scathing expose of his various contacts with the program.
Yeah, you're probably right.
Nah. Sugar bowl champs seems sufficient.Ohio against the World.
So, the whole College Football Nation is going to say that Bama's 17-point victory over Notre Dame proves that the Irish didn't belong in the playoff.Because although teams should only be judged on this season and this season alone, they aren’t. ND was viewed as unworthy as much for their loss to Bama in 2012 as for their loss to Clemson this year. Clemson’s previous CFP wins gave them as much credibility as any win they got this year. Is that stupid? Yes, but short of erasing memories I don’t see it changing.
Why won't College Football Nation say the same thing about Clemson?
In summary, a school gives up mid-major status when:Well...yes.
1. They have a high preseason ranking, and/or:
2. They were put on probation.
https://sportsdelve.wordpress.com/2011/05/31/ncaa-probation-and-division-i-college-basketball/
According to your definitions and this list I estimate there are only about 6 mid-major basketball programs left in the entire country.
And the goalposts moved from “They cheated” to “They probably cheated.”
Well...yes.No, I definitely deserve some of the blame. Not to go all 2nd grade but you started it. I mean, this is what you wanted when you posed the question after the UGA game, right?
If Cincinnati cheated and violated recruiting rules to get better players on their team, their program would still be G5 but their roster wouldn't. Thanks for keeping this tangent going, as I take the blame for it, btw.
No, I definitely deserve some of the blame. Not to go all 2nd grade but you started it. I mean, this is what you wanted when you posed the question after the UGA game, right?Here, let me just say UNLV was a mid-major who won a NC in 1990. You can have it, it's fine, no problem whatsoever.
The link I posted shows mid-majors have been going on probation for years. UNLV wasn’t the first and won’t be the last. But because they were more successful than the other ones who got caught doing something you are saying they don’t count as a mid-major. I guess UT Pan American gets to retain their mid major status because their cheating didn’t result in any winning anything important.
Once again, the years they were put on probation wasn’t the championship year and the NCAA never made them vacate any wins or titles.
Did they probably have recruiting violations with guys on that team? Yeah, probably, but I just assume that goes on to varying degrees basically everywhere.
Here, let me just say UNLV was a mid-major who won a NC in 1990. You can have it, it's fine, no problem whatsoever.See, that wasn’t so hard, was it? But does the standard really have to be if they don’t win it all it proves they don’t belong? We have seen mid-major programs in the title game in basketball five times since 1998. We’ve seen numerous mid-majors make the FF in the last 20 years.
That's 1. Ever. (since mid-majors have been a thing, which is probably 50 years or so - is that fair? I don't want that to turn into another bitch-fest tangent)
So 1 in 50 years. Does that negate my larger point? I say no, but as well can all agree here, I'm never right.
So, the whole College Football Nation is going to say that Bama's 17-point victory over Notre Dame proves that the Irish didn't belong in the playoff.History, Clemson has won when in the CFP, ND has not.
Why won't College Football Nation say the same thing about Clemson?
No one is surprised that Bama beat ND handily, some might be surprised a bit that it wasn't more decisive, but ND has a good team, just not IMHO a playoff caliber team. At least Oklahoma won their CG. In my view, a team that loses a CG should be out barring unusual circumstances (nobody else really available).I mean, it’s rare you have the CCG split like that. And TBH, if Oklahoma takes that beating, we’re back to the thing where everyone asks why the Sooners keep getting sent.
Yeah, a team that loses a close one to another great team and is 12-1 might "deserve" it if nobody else appears comparable, but to me the CG is almost a playoff game, one and done.
I mean, it’s rare you have the CCG split like that. And TBH, if Oklahoma takes that beating, we’re back to the thing where everyone asks why the Sooners keep getting sent.Yeah Brian Kelly had a point - questioning why ND can't beat Bama is probably not the right question
Right now, we just don’t have four teams that can keep up with this Bama squad.Such is life.
Did I dream that last night? Am I still asleep? Am I still drunk? Anyway, more bowls coming your way.(https://i.imgur.com/3uDq3he.png)
Ohio against the World.As if the world likes/wants bama to win. Could say same for osu.
I mean, it’s rare you have the CCG split like that. And TBH, if Oklahoma takes that beating, we’re back to the thing where everyone asks why the Sooners keep getting sent.It’s always going to be like this. Even in bcs with only 2 teams it was usually a lopsided game.
Right now, we just don’t have four teams that can keep up with this Bama squad.Such is life.
(https://i.imgur.com/3uDq3he.png)That was last night. This morning more like:
Yeah, no doubt, if OU gets in and gets smoked ... or they let A&M in and they lose badly .... same questions. Why not ND?The alternative is not making the title game?
I still think if you lose your CG you should be out unless ...
ND lost to Clemson decisively also, not close.
Anyway, on to more and better. I think OSU has a shot with Bama.
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Tom Hermann firedLooks like it
Down goes Mensa BoiExpensive decision for UT
Tom Hermann fired7-3 and top 20 finish. Tough gig.
No one is surprised that Bama beat ND handily, some might be surprised a bit that it wasn't more decisive, but ND has a good team, just not IMHO a playoff caliber team. At least Oklahoma won their CG. In my view, a team that loses a CG should be out barring unusual circumstances (nobody else really available).What do you think about a 1-loss team that loses its CCG for a 2nd loss compared to a 1-loss team that doesn't make the CCG?
Yeah, a team that loses a close one to another great team and is 12-1 might "deserve" it if nobody else appears comparable, but to me the CG is almost a playoff game, one and done.
What do you think about a 1-loss team that loses its CCG for a 2nd loss compared to a 1-loss team that doesn't make the CCG?You could have let us know that Trey Sermon was a combo of Walter Payton and Eric Dickerson
Maybe we didn't have 4 playoff-quality teams this year. Maybe just 2--Bama and tOSU.
If Bama beat tOSU badly, what will that say about Clemson?
I'll be rooting for tOSU, BTW. Bama/Saban-fatigue.
I suspect that the majority of CFB fans will also be rooting for the Buckeyes, although there will be some/many who want to blame tOSU for the Big Ten's curtailed season and the mid-short-season rules change to get tOSU into the CCG.
I don't care how a conference selects its champion. Round-robin scheduling or not. CCG or not. But the short season was a bad decision and is a bad look, and some fans will see it as a reason to downgrade a tOSU NC.
You could have let us know that Trey Sermon was a combo of Walter Payton and Eric DickersonHe was very good at OU and I really hated to see him leave. He does seem to have taken it up a notch or three over the last several games.
But the short season was a bad decision and is a bad look, and some fans will see it as a reason to downgrade a tOSU NC.if the Buckeyes somehow beat Bama, there will be no downgrading a tOSU NC
if the Buckeyes somehow beat Bama, there will be no downgrading a tOSU NCI agree.
this season's Bama squad is perceived as "great"
I agree.well, "those" fans... I don't value their opinion
But you know how "some fans" are.
He was very good at OU and I really hated to see him leave. He does seem to have taken it up a notch or three over the last several games.That's interesting I always wondered about the backstory there. I remember liking Sermon and was surprised he was transferring. I'm also blanking at seeing a guy have a year like he's having. He was essentially an afterthought in the offense - his total yard numbers were 48, 56, 68, and 60 in the first four games, then 112, 331, and 261 in the last 3. Hopefully he has one more in him.
If you noticed the little twitterstorm involving Baker Mayfield and the now (for the moment, anyway) Texas AHC Jay Boulware, here is the back story.
Sermon left OU because of Boulware. I don't know whose fault it was, but when you're the RBs coach, and your bell-cow RB wants to leave because of you, you've probably done something wrong.
Boulware was a Bob Stoops hire. One of the few areas where I think Lincoln Riley has mishandled things is that he kept some of Bob's assistants (including little brother Mikey) on the staff too long. It took him three years to tell Boulware to look for another job. But it took Sermon leaving to make Lincoln notice that something was wrong.
I'm firmly convinced that if we had had Trey Sermon this year, we'd have been unbeaten in the regular season. Of our top 3 RBs from last year, Sermon transferred, Kennedy Brooks opted out due to COVID, and Rhamondre Stevenson was suspended for the first six games.
Stevenson is a lot like Sermon. If he comes back, he could have a monster season in 2021.
BTW, you're welcome for Sermon. And THANK YOU, Ohio State, for Alex Grinch. I'm really looking forward to seeing our D in Grinch Year 3.
The soap opera between Indiana football and the Big Ten isn't quite over.As I said many pages ago, Who doesn't want to wear the ribbon!? People really need to pick up hobbies.
IU has removed the Big Ten logos from its jerseys and helmets ahead of Saturday's Outback Bowl against Ole Miss, apparently in response to feeling slighted by the conference in bowl selection.
Indiana coach Tom Allen says that isn't the case.
A few hours after a social media post pointed out IU removed the Big Ten logo from its jerseys and helmets, IU coach Tom Allen released a statement.
"To clarify what we are wearing on our uniform and helmet for tomorrow's Outback Bowl: since I took over as Indiana head coach, this program's mantra has been LEO, Love Each Other. This season has been the most trying we will ever experience, and we felt it was appropriate to showcase LEO, which has carried us through one of the most historic years in Indiana Football history, We did not intend to show any disrespect to anyone. We are a proud member of the Big Ten and are always representing our conference, LEO is the foundation of our program and we want to bring in 2021 focusing on our team and Love Each Other. LEO!"
...and this is the second best team in the Big Ten. Or at least the B1G East.With Pennix at QB they are a completely different team. An almost unstoppable offense.
And THANK YOU, Ohio State, for Alex Grinch. I'm really looking forward to seeing our D in Grinch Year 3.Made some big strides this year for sure
Wow, #8 just went on the road and thrashed #3, who never loses at home! Huge game!!!I'm terrified and shaken by this reality. When the 30-game football season comes to pass, this will be very concerning.
Wait. Why isn't it making any headlines? Why doesn't anyone seem to care?
Ohhhhh, that's right, it's college basketball's regular season.
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Be wary, bigger-playoff-proponents.
I used to be Mr watch every bowl, and I find myself more into this Purdue Illinois basketball game, than a New year's six bowl. I have no idea how this is sustainable long termIt probably isn't, though probably not for that reason.
I'm terrified and shaken by this reality. When the 30-game football season comes to pass, this will be very concerning.You're not too good with ratios and percentages, are you?
You're not too good with ratios and percentages, are you?Enlighten me with your fancy maths, teach.
I actually have managed to neglect college hoops almost entirely. I'm always a cliffs notes viewer in any normal season but have not bothered to check in much beyond one or two games so far. I've been very limited in my bowl consumption.You are safe to skip Nebrasketball this year, but they might give you something next season
You are safe to skip Nebrasketball this year, but they might give you something next seasonMSU is the cure for the common Hoiberg
Just got back from a week of camping-- anything new happen?.College Football Playoff National Championship saw number 11 defeat number 2.Did you grill out any jackalope or possum on the half shell?Any Yeti's,Sooners or Aggies bother you?
.College Football Playoff National Championship saw number 11 defeat number 2.Did you grill out any jackalope or possum on the half shell?Any Yeti's,Sooners or Aggies bother you?No possum. Made chili for one night. Grilled strips for another.
Just in case ACC fans thought the Challenge was their low point. 0-6 in bowls, including the first ever 0-2 performance, 0-3 in NY6 games, with 3 double digits losses.I really thought Indiana should have gotten a spot over UNC.
How is ACC hockey looking this year?
That's interesting I always wondered about the backstory there. I remember liking Sermon and was surprised he was transferring. I'm also blanking at seeing a guy have a year like he's having. He was essentially an afterthought in the offense - his total yard numbers were 48, 56, 68, and 60 in the first four games, then 112, 331, and 261 in the last 3. Hopefully he has one more in him. . . .Also consider this about Sermon. He had his ACL injury in November 2019, I think. A year later, he's fully good to go again, and he really lights it up.
How many birthday lashings are in order?54 today.
I really thought Indiana should have gotten a spot over UNC.
Indiana without Pennix, was definitely playing a step down than they played with him at the controls.It didn't help that the backup had a separated shoulder
Just in case ACC fans thought the Challenge was their low point. 0-6 in bowls, including the first ever 0-2 [CFP] performance, 0-3 in NY6 games, with 3 double digits losses.On the surface 0-6 is a pretty big black eye for the ACC, and B12 looks great with their 5-0.
How is ACC hockey looking this year?
ND isn't really an ACC team.It was this year.
On the surface 0-6 is a pretty big black eye for the ACC, and B12 looks great with their 5-0.Funny how you say this, but when it was true for the SEC, no one here bought in. Hmmph.
But I think the CFP boogers stuff up. If the ACC only sent one team, then all the rest of the teams would have a played a step lower bowl match up and prolly would have faired better.
On the converse if OU was invited to the CFP, then each of the B12 teams would have a played a step up bowl, and prolly not faired as well.
Funny how you say this, but when it was true for the SEC, no one here bought in. Hmmph.Really? When the Big Ten was more than just OSU + 13 schlubs, we would get two (and a few times three IIRC) teams into BCS bowls. And we always mentioned how it screwed the lesser B1G teams by giving them tougher bowl competition.
Happy Birthday, Badge!Ya Happy B-Day 857 ;D ,take it easy on the Seafood & Glenlivet 12/Lagavulin 16
How many birthday lashings are in order?The lasher will need Tommy John Surgery
Been a long week end taking in the games Friday.Then tearing down and packing Cindy's Macy's size Holiday Displays Sat/SunGot the outside stuff taken down today because I don’t want to be the last house in the neighborhood with Christmas stuff still up. Probably get the tree and inside decorations next weekend. The first year we were married we had the tree still up past Valentine’s Day. We had better things to do with our weekends. Ah, newlywed days.
Happy Birthday old man! Hope if finds you well with a delicious meal.I hope he allowed someone else to do the cooking
Got the outside stuff taken down today because I don’t want to be the last house in the neighborhood with Christmas stuff still up.My next door neighbor usually pounces by June
My next door neighbor usually pounces by June
Not much about this year has been "typical", but Bama-v-OSU is.That’s good. He sure as hell isn’t healthy now.
Of course we all know OSU has never beaten Bama with their starting QB healthy.
That’s good. He sure as hell isn’t healthy now.on a serious note, i hope he is soon. dude played a legendary game.
Of course we all know OSU has never beaten Bama with their starting QB healthy.
That’s good. He sure as hell isn’t healthy now.Well played boys,need more smack like the old Big 12 Board - always read that at lunch and when I got home.Before their conference exodus
P5 Bowl Records:FIFY
- 5-0 B12
- 4-1 or 3-2 pending NCG, B1G
- 7-2 or 6-3 pending NCG, SEC
- 0-2 P12
- 0-6 ACC
Big 12:West Virginia over Army
- Oklahoma over Florida
- Iowa State over Oregon
- Texas over Colorado
- OkSU over Miami, FL
B1G:
- tOSU over Clemson
- Northwestern over Auburn
- Wisconsin over Wake
- Indiana lost to Ole Miss
- tOSU vs Bama next week
SEC:
- Bama over ND
- aTm over UNC
- UGA over Cincy
- Ole Miss over IU
- Kentucky over NCST
- MissSt over Tulsa
- Florida lost to OU
- Auburn lost to NU
- Bama vs tOSU next week
P12:
- Oregon lost to ISU
- Colorado lost to TX
ACC:
- Clemson lost to tOSU
- Notre Dame lost to Bama
- UNC lost to aTm
- NCST lost to Kentucky
- Miami lost to OkSU
- Wake lost to Wisconsin
FIFYI fixed it in the original post. Sorry about that.
I fixed it in the original post. Sorry about that.Just don't want @Kris60 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=79) feeling left out and diminished, ya know? :)
I did give the B12 credit for the right record, I just neglected to list a game that I actually watched, oops.
Just don't want @Kris60 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=79) feeling left out and diminished, ya know? :)Thanks. I have to cancel my plane ticket now. I was coming to look for Medina.
I think that putting two teams in the CFP REALLY hurt the ACC's record in bowls. Otherwise they might well have gone 5-1.but they didn't really. nd being a pseudo-member just means in a normal year they'd have been in roughly the same spot as they were now. nd being in playoff didn't really affect their bowl lineup. it'd just be 0-5.
Thanks. I have to cancel my plane ticket now. I was coming to look for Medina.He can't be bothered with you.He's looking for Bama fans to piss off.Besides I'd give him safe refuge - as long as he brings the Beer
I certainly enjoyed watching Oklahoma State beat Miami. I'll never shed a tear for the canes.I enjoyed it too.