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Title: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 16, 2020, 10:15:07 AM
Rumors of mass exodus if Harbaugh stays. Sounding like Harbaugh is staying put.

True frosh OL Zach Carpenter hits the portal. Milton is a goner, but that is to be expected. McNamara took his job and McCarthy is coming in early. He wasn’t playing in 2021 unless injuries. There’d be a mutiny on Harbaugh’s hands if he was dumb enough to start Milton again anyway.

Lot of smoke around Dax Hill, Chris Hinton, and Zach Charbonnet getting the f out if Harbaugh stays. There will be others as well. 

You’d think 2021 should be a rebound year, but if they lose double digit players that were starters/essential role players to the portal they just might suck ass again. 

What a shitty situation. They really just need to get rid of Jim and start over. Sucks balls that they won’t do it.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 19, 2020, 03:34:40 PM
SR DE Kwity Paye declares for NFL draft. He was a senior who even before this season in which he missed a big chunk of games- he missed 2 or 3- put a lot of good stuff on film for NFL evaluators and he'll test very well at the combine. With the COVID rules he could've come back for another year, but he really didn't need to- he's been getting a lot of hype as a 1st rd NFL draft pick.

RS SOPH OT Jalen Mayifled declares for NFL draft. This one is more dicey in my mind. I think it's a mistake. He played really well last year as a RS Frosh, and then this year he missed literally more than half the games. Michigan played what, 6 games? Mayfield missed 4 of them with injury. Is he really a 1st rd pick based off a good RS Frosh season and 2 games in 2020? I don't see it. He should've come back for his RS Jr year and proven himself.

RB Christian Turner has entered the transfer portal. 
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 20, 2020, 01:56:32 PM
bunch of Michigan players/grad assistants/coaches have started randomly following PSU Co-DC Tim Banks and Oregon OC Joe Moorehead- and they've followed back. 

Could this mean Michigan is trying to hire them? Moorehead would be a home run and Tim Banks has been responsible for PSU raiding Detroit area for recruits like Lance Dixon, Enzo Jennings, Jaylen Reed, and the King brothers. Harbaugh made a complete mess of 'crootin the Detroit area- Banks would help repair the damage. 
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Temp430 on December 22, 2020, 06:22:11 PM
Michigan has parted ways with DC Don Brown.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on December 22, 2020, 07:05:46 PM
Matt Patricia and Bo Pellini are available
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on December 22, 2020, 07:12:49 PM
Ha - this from 11 Warriors:


I hear Don is planning to work with his brother Lou at the Toledo Tire World.

(https://i.imgur.com/iaHtO67.png)
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 22, 2020, 07:13:42 PM
(https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/15116056/2014/03/sea-lion-kiss-harbaugh.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on December 22, 2020, 07:19:47 PM
Don and Jim in happier times
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: ELA on December 22, 2020, 08:50:30 PM
Michigan has parted ways with DC Don Brown.
Problems solved
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 22, 2020, 11:07:53 PM
Problems solved
I honestly hate that he's being scapegoated. Whatever happened to the defense isn't 100% on Don Brown. The coaching turnover on that side of the ball has been a real problem the last 2 years, and Harbaugh didn't do nearly enough to try and ensure Chris Partridge and Greg Mattison stayed their asses put in Ann Arbor. If Harbaugh is really "that guy"- he doesn't let either of them get away without putting up a huge fight and giving them extensions with huge pay raisers. Partridge was BY FAR his ace recruiter and Mattison built solid defensive lines year in year out and is one of the all-time great defensive line coaches. Sure, Don Brown should've changed up his scheme, and the 2017 PSU game and 2018 & 2019 OSU games were complete disasters on defense- but let's not get it fricken twisted- for vast majority of 2016, 2017, and 2018- Don Brown's defenses saved Jim Harbaugh's ass.

Don Brown and that entire defensive staff needed to go....but the guy who really needs to go ain't name Don. His name be Jim.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Temp430 on December 23, 2020, 06:18:53 AM
I think CBs coach Mike Zordich is a keeper.  The issue at CB this year wasn’t coaching.  And in past years when Zordich also coached safeties, they played better.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on December 23, 2020, 06:22:50 AM
Michigan is bat shit crazy if they let Warinner go OL is really his niche and he can do wonderful things there.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Temp430 on December 23, 2020, 06:25:47 AM
Michigan is bat shit crazy if they let Warinner go OL is really his niche and he can do wonderful things there.
Totally agree.  I was referring to MDot’s suggestion of sweeping the whole defensive staff. 
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 23, 2020, 09:40:53 AM
I think CBs coach Mike Zordich is a keeper.  The issue at CB this year wasn’t coaching.  And in past years when Zordich also coached safeties, they played better.
Yeah, I don’t see it. Zordich is average at best position coach, he is a terrible recruiter, and he teaches his guys to hold and commit PI and Michigan CBs get called for more holds and PI than any team in the conference. How is that good coaching ? 
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on December 23, 2020, 12:16:33 PM
Yeah, I don’t see it. Zordich is average at best position coach, he is a terrible recruiter, and he teaches his guys to hold and commit PI and Michigan CBs get called for more holds and PI than any team in the conference. How is that good coaching ?
Well Belicheat taught that to,maybe more discreet
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 26, 2020, 03:13:57 PM
rumors are that Muschamp might be Michigan's next DC. I wouldn't be against that move at all. I'd like Chris Partridge back as well. Maybe do a Co-DC thing but in name only for Partridge and just let him recruit and coach safeties, and let Muschamp run the show.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on December 26, 2020, 03:56:58 PM
rumors are that Muschamp might be Michigan's next DC. I wouldn't be against that move at all. I'd like Chris Partridge back as well. Maybe do a Co-DC thing but in name only for Partridge and just let him recruit and coach safeties, and let Muschamp run the show.
The sourcing seems very flimsy. On the plus side, he’s the opposite of Don in bend don’t break-ness
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 26, 2020, 04:07:03 PM
The sourcing seems very flimsy. On the plus side, he’s the opposite of Don in bend don’t break-ness
Yeah, it's coming from all SEC/South Carolina sources. Kind of second guessing it now, but we'll see. I'd still take that hire. I think. Especially if they could somehow convince Chris Partridge to comeback as a Co-DC in name and pay raise only. I think you get that combo- it's a home-run. Partridge is one of the best recruiters Michigan has ever had and he's got deep ties in NJ and GA- two talent rich states.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 26, 2020, 04:08:19 PM
RB Chris Evans declares for NFL Draft. That seems odd to me. He was going to be able to get an extra year because of COVID. He missed all of 2019 because of an academic suspension and was billed as a Day 2 NFL draft prospect- and that's before he had about 5 carries in 2020.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on December 26, 2020, 04:09:44 PM
Yeah, it's coming from all SEC/South Carolina sources. Kind of second guessing it now, but we'll see. I'd still take that hire. I think. Especially if they could somehow convince Chris Partridge to comeback as a Co-DC in name and pay raise only. I think you get that combo- it's a home-run. Partridge is one of the best recruiters Michigan has ever had and he's got deep ties in NJ and GA- two talent rich states.
I live in the south, the sources are not people who know things.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 26, 2020, 04:10:36 PM
I live in the south, the sources are not people who know things.
what's your take on him? bad head coach, good DC? or just bad coach all-around? How is he as a recruiter?
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on December 27, 2020, 09:57:08 AM
what's your take on him? bad head coach, good DC? or just bad coach all-around? How is he as a recruiter?
So, he's interesting. The South Carolina tenure had some interesting outliers. I don't think he's a bad choice as DC, but it just depends what version of him arrives.

I don't think he's a good head coach, but it's been because he could get existing talent to play somewhat well, but thing tailed, off, which is odd. He'd been a good DC and more often than not a good defensive HC, though his last South Carolina defense was surprisingly atrocious. He's only been a DC once since 2010, and that was a group at Auburn that had some talent but was surprisingly meh. 

If he arrives fiery and can get that jolt into a defense, he can get them pretty good, I think. When they're not super talented, he goes bend-don't-break with the best of them. A lot of Cover-3 with a safety in the box and more cover-1 man free with better talent. They emphasize turnovers and bowing up in the red zone. His teams often play hard, so that's a plus.

He's traditionally considered a strong recruiter, both as assistant and as HC. He's the most SEC man alive, so he's not above the slime to a degree, not deep in it. He'll promise a kid he'll be around when he has not plans to be. He was traditionally seen as a guy who could both lang blue chips and ID sleepers. That took a hit as he managed to build a SC roster that rates much better by starz than by actual pieces. He used to be considered a game-changer on the trail, but I'd downgrade him to just a solid plus at this point. 
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 27, 2020, 10:36:16 AM
I'd steer clear.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on December 27, 2020, 10:57:52 AM
Muschamp would be a fantastic hire for Michigan DC. He's nailed it as a coordinator where ever he's worked. Orgeron is a fair comparison when it comes to recruiting, motivating a defense, and firing up his players. His defenses are built around the DL, and they aren't inclined to not give an inch even when up or down by 20. The downsides of Muschamp (clock management, in-game strategy, the offense) would all be out of his hands if hired as DC.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 27, 2020, 02:02:40 PM
I'll take some bend but don't break. For sure. Don's defense was no bend, all break. Dude played man to man across the board and blitzed like 97.8% of the time. 
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on December 27, 2020, 07:46:28 PM
Muschamp would be a fantastic hire for Michigan DC. He's nailed it as a coordinator where ever he's worked. Orgeron is a fair comparison when it comes to recruiting, motivating a defense, and firing up his players. His defenses are built around the DL, and they aren't inclined to not give an inch even when up or down by 20. The downsides of Muschamp (clock management, in-game strategy, the offense) would all be out of his hands if hired as DC.
His last defense as a coordinator was 48th in yards per play allowed, 67th in points allowed per drive. That was one year with Auburn talent.

That's his only DC work since 2010. That's not to say it can't work, but it's been a while since his last successful moment like that.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 29, 2020, 10:12:29 AM
DE Aidan Hutchinson returning for his Senior year. Thought that would happen.

In other news, DE Rashad Weaver from Pitt named first team All-American. Weaver was a 2* commit to Michigan out of Florida that Harbaugh ultimately processed when he was able to sign higher ranked players near NSD. Harbaugh has done this a lot more than people realize. He's the commit process king.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on December 29, 2020, 10:16:59 AM
He wouldn't have a job in the real world.Make bad decisions accompanied by luck isn't a winning perscription
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 29, 2020, 10:21:16 AM
Meritocracy. 
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 29, 2020, 11:34:20 AM
Meritocracy.
Not everyone can preach this bullshit message while giving their unqualified son TE coach position and then RB coach position and ST's Co-Ordinator and handing a QB job to a transfer (Patterson) with zero competition and then handing the QB job once said transfer graduates to Jim's hand-picked successor (Milton) - who turns out actually sucks at playing QB. 

Jim can pack his shit and leave for all I care. But unfortunately he's staying.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: ELA on December 29, 2020, 12:04:23 PM
DE Aidan Hutchinson returning for his Senior year. Thought that would happen.
Wow, that's huge.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 29, 2020, 01:18:52 PM
Rivals’ Michigan site reporting a deal with Harbaugh has been signed and will be announced soon.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on December 29, 2020, 05:33:21 PM
Cam McGrone enters the NFL Draft. LOL. WTF is he smoking? He had a very good RS Frosh year and flashed NFL potential, but it wasn't dominant or anything that was just flat out ridiculous like the freshman year that Luke Kecuehly had at Boston College. Not even close. McGrone actually played WORSE in 2020 as a RS Soph. than he did as a RS Frosh in 2019 and he missed a few games with injury- and they only played 6 games this season.

He must a) be deluded in his abilities or b) dislike his head coach. Or maybe both.


I will be shocked if he gets drafted higher than the 6th rd.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 07, 2021, 04:43:15 PM
it's Jan 7th and still no announcement of an extension. Insider chatter (apart from Sam Webb- who has Harbuagh's you know what in his mouth) seems to suggest Harbaugh is actually the one holding all the leverage right now and is looking at NFL options. Apparently the Jets and Chargers. 

I don't know WTF the powers at be at Michigan are doing. They need to just fire him already and hire Matt Campbell. 
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 07, 2021, 05:27:59 PM
What if Matt likes it where he is?

What about Herm Edwards as program CEO?
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 07, 2021, 05:47:18 PM
What if Matt likes it where he is?

What about Herm Edwards as program CEO?
Apparently Michigan is one of the few schools that Campbell would jump on in a second. This is coming from Jordan Strack, a sports reporter on an Ohio CBS news station who knows Matt Campbell personally. Campbell is originally from Ohio. You offer Campbell the job, if he turns it down move on to the next. 

It's unacceptable to let Harbaugh hold you hostage on an extension while he waits for NFL teams. Forget extension, the guy should've been fired at the close of the season. 
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 07, 2021, 06:42:51 PM


They have to keep him, now that he has transformed himself into a Wolverine-themed cartoon supervillain.

(https://img.particlenews.com/img/id/39ZJhI_0XZorB8P00?type=thumbnail_512x288)
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: ELA on January 07, 2021, 11:10:40 PM
Sounds like he's back at half his previous rate

https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1347390090750803969?s=19
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on January 08, 2021, 08:40:37 AM
Jim can pack his shit and leave for all I care. But unfortunately he's staying.
I get this - it was long past obvious when Cooper was finally sent packing.Couldn't beat a rival then on the rare occasion he did would lose unexpectantly to a less talented squad and almost always blow the bowls - maddening really. And John like Jim was at the time was gifted handsomely  to continually put the ship on the rocks.You're going to have the occasional blip but when it's the m.o. pink slips have to be dealt
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 08, 2021, 08:54:02 AM
What's Lloyd up to these days?
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: ELA on January 08, 2021, 11:57:36 AM
https://twitter.com/RivalsRobinson/status/1347553955111428104?s=20
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on January 08, 2021, 01:12:56 PM
more or less being told to do a better job next season because he's on the hot seat
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 08, 2021, 03:49:58 PM
Michigan Rivals site reporting Harbaugh has signed the extension, it adds 5 years to his current deal, so he's set to remain in Ann Arbor for 6 more years. Yuck.

Michigan apparently targeting Baltimore Ravens LB Coach Mike McDonald to replace Don Brown as DC. LAZY hire. The guy is super young and unproven, and Jim must've just called his big brother and asked hey John, who should I hire? John said, hey I've got this LB coach, you can take him. Wtf? Harbaugh needs to get his ass on the phones and ring up Greg Mattison and Chris Partridge and BEG them both to come back. 

Ben McDaniels out as QB Coach. SCAPEGOAT. The guy was the QB coach for 1-2 years. The QB play has SUCKED every year Harbaugh has been here except for Jake Rudock Year 1- which looks more and more like a complete anomaly. The problem isn't the QB coach. The problem is HARBAUGH. 

FML.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 08, 2021, 04:02:33 PM
He should go get Tim Tibesar from Oregon State.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on January 08, 2021, 04:07:26 PM
Jim must've just called his big brother and asked hey John, who should I hire? John said, hey I've got this LB coach, you can take him. Wtf?

John must have not wanted to keep him.  Great endorsement!

unless the LB coach is a great guy and Jim can double his salary where John couldn't, even if he wanted to
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 08, 2021, 04:15:20 PM
He should go get Tim Tibesar from Oregon State.
He should re-sign and go f***k himself is what he should do. Warde Manuel has zero cajones and Michigan really doesn't care about winning. How do you keep a guy that can barely beat Michigan State and gets TROUNCED by Ohio State every single year, and a guy who takes ZERO responsibility for his bullshit offenses and keep firing and hiring QB coaches and OC's. Hey douchebag, the problem isn't any of those coaches- it's you. 

Michigan's offense is stone age. It's pathetic. It's a joke. They do nothing innovative or creative at all. Their offense is TERRIBLE. And it's been terrible since the day Harbaugh arrived. It's not all these other coaches. It's Harbaugh. Michigan needed to get someone who would bring their offense into the 21st century. That isn't Harbaugh- whose offensive mindset is stuck in the 1980s. 

They need someone who can modernize their passing game. They wasted DPJ & Nico Collins' talents- who both will do much better in the NFL than they ever did at Michigan imo. Right now they have some very talented young WR's- and they need someone who can develop them and maximize them. Conrelius Johnson, AJ Henning, Roman Wilson, and Xavier Worthy are all super talented young WRs. Michigan needs someone who can actually develop a passing game that will utilize them. That someone is NOT Jim Harbaugh. 

They just signed their highest rated QB recruit (JJ McCarthy) since 2007 when they landed Ryan Mallett. Harbaugh is not the guy to mold him. McCarthy's career will end in disaster- see; Shea Patterson- an even higher ranked QB recruit than Mallett or McCarthy who transferred into Michigan- and just went undrafted after playing for Harbaugh.

It's not the players. It's not this position coach or that position coach. It's Jim Harbaugh. THAT is the problem. No way anyone convinces me that Shea goes undrafted had he transferred to play for Lincoln Riley or Ryan Day. Dwayne Haskins can't read a zone blitz defense if his life depended on it- and Ryan Day made him a 1st round pick. Jalen Hurts can't throw the damn football and Lincoln Riley turned him into a 2nd round pick. 

Coaching matters. And Jim Harbaugh is a terrible offensive coach. He works best on a team that has a great run game, a QB that is limited and doesn't turn it over and with a great defense backing him up. This style doesn't win anymore in college. Period. It's out-dated. Still works in the NFL. Will never work in college again. In college game- you need tempo, high-flying offense, lots of yards, and LOTS OF POINTS to win. Alabama, LSU, Ohio State, and Clemson showing that year after year after year. 
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on January 08, 2021, 04:36:26 PM
Mdot should have sent his observations to the Regents/BoTs
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 08, 2021, 04:54:28 PM
Mdot should have sent his observations to the Regents/BoTs
He might have...

...consisting of magazine cutout letters glued to printer paper...

Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on January 08, 2021, 05:00:07 PM
He could have ghost written for himself -  "Hey look what this guy on CFB51 is spouting in the Michigan Off-Season Thread - I wholeheartedly agree"
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 08, 2021, 05:07:09 PM
He might have...

...consisting of magazine cutout letters glued to printer paper...
This is great lol. 
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on January 08, 2021, 07:53:21 PM
Michigan Rivals site reporting Harbaugh has signed the extension, it adds 5 years to his current deal, so he's set to remain in Ann Arbor for 6 more years. Yuck.

Good, financially sensible news from Outkick:

“...reports are that Harbaugh is about to sign a five-year contract extension to keep coaching the Wolverines for $4 million a year. When he was hired six years ago, he got $8 million a year. The price tag was part of the sales pitch to the world. Now, he’ll be the 10th highest paid coach in the Big Ten. They even reduced his buyout, should Michigan decide to fire him.”

Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on January 09, 2021, 09:50:39 AM
I maybe wrong but the NFL didn't come flocking and M's Admns couldn't make up their fooking minds(or had no takers).Mabe Jim gets 4 mill next year then they can him - saving 3 mil off the original contract.I'd be shocked if any one of note comes after JH after his time in AA is thru.Jim hardly needs the coin
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on January 09, 2021, 10:12:37 AM
Jimmy should be plenty motivated to have a good season
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 09, 2021, 10:34:04 AM
(https://uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/harbaugh.gif)
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on January 09, 2021, 12:30:01 PM
I'd like to know how much of his contract is guaranteed, e.g., how much he's due if he's fired after next year or the year after.

Maybe the money isn't an issue for UM.

Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on January 09, 2021, 01:27:42 PM
money isn't an issue for UM.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on January 09, 2021, 01:39:39 PM
Then they could give him a 20 year contract for whatever, knowing they could easily buy their way out later.

Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on January 09, 2021, 01:45:11 PM
yes, they could, but saving a few bucks is always a good thing

they obviously saved themselves some cash with this extension


AND sent a loud clear message that they are not happy with the current state of the program
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on January 09, 2021, 02:22:07 PM
If money isn't an issue, saving money isn't an issue.  I realize what you mean.

Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on January 09, 2021, 02:35:22 PM
Jimmy should be plenty motivated to have a good season
Should be but they gave him 7-8 million reasons to be motivated for 6 seasons
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on January 09, 2021, 02:36:55 PM
What would you guess is the minimum record UM needs for him not to be fired?

9-4??

10-3 ???
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on January 09, 2021, 03:04:45 PM
9-4 minimum

10-3 he's safe

just looked over the 2021 schedule

taking a loss vs the Huskies won't help
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 09, 2021, 03:13:49 PM
What would you guess is the minimum record UM needs for him not to be fired?

9-4??

10-3 ???
In order for that seat to cool down he needs to win 10 games, beat Sparty handily and just not get embarrassed by Ohio State. If he loses by a TD or less to Ohio- I think they can sell to the faithful- hey look we’re getting close to beating them. If he loses by 30+ again to Ohio State- they can’t sell jack.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on January 09, 2021, 03:14:26 PM
Presuming they have a pretty talented team, their possible losses would include:

Washington
@ Wisconsin
@ Penn State
Ohio State

They also play @ Nebraska and Michigan State at home.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 09, 2021, 03:17:28 PM
I actually really like the talent they’ll have on offense in 2021. 

The problem is - Harbaugh is still in control of that offense. 

They have more speed and play-making ability at the WR/RB position than they’ve ever had. Blake Corum, Donovan Edwards, AJ Henning, Roman Wilson, and Xavier Worthy are different kind of athletes than they’ve had at those positions in Harbaugh’s entire tenure. 

Problem is dipshits fingerprints will still be all over the offense.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on January 09, 2021, 03:22:13 PM
Presuming they have a pretty talented team, their possible losses would include:

Washington
@ Wisconsin
@ Penn State
Ohio State

They also play @ Nebraska and Michigan State at home.
those 3 losses are acceptable
one of the LLL could be, iffy
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 09, 2021, 03:34:58 PM
they need to make hires and fix the offensive and defensive staff before I'll even entertain them being a decent team in 2021. And right now, the names being thrown around for new staff positions- don't look encouraging...at all.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 09, 2021, 05:08:27 PM
RB signee Donovan Edwards with a ridiculous showing in the MHSAA playoffs. He had about 200+ yards rushing+receiving and 3 TD's at half-time. And then his first run in the 2nd half was an 85 yard TD. He scored 4 TD's total and had well over 300 total yards and even threw a 36 yard pass.

He's a different type of back than they've recruited in a very long time. He is super versatile and very explosive. Hassan Haskins and Zach Charbonnet ought to get the bulk of the carries- that's if ZC sticks around- but they have to figure out a way to involve Donovan Edwards into that offense in 2021 for sure. He's such a mismatch. He reminds me a lot of Chris Evans' first couple years at Michigan, but with more size, physical talent, and explosiveness.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 09, 2021, 11:39:37 PM
When I read UM gave him an extension, I literally LOLed.  They're zagging when the rest of the world would zig, that's for sure.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 09, 2021, 11:44:49 PM
Who else are they gonna get? 
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 09, 2021, 11:49:21 PM
Who else are they gonna get?
This is a crap argument. They don’t need to hire a big name. They need to hire a good coach. There are plenty of good coaches out there. Have to interview them and find them. 
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: ELA on January 09, 2021, 11:59:45 PM
Honestly, it's a crap shoot. He was a proven winner, returning to his alma mater. I'm sure there's some combination out there, but who knows. Jim Tressel was not Ohio State's first choice, Dantonio was not Michigan State's first choice.

Harbaugh was the obvious choice, there is not an obvious choice, but that doesn't mean there's not a better choice. There are certainly far worse choices though
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 10, 2021, 02:14:15 AM
Honestly, it's a crap shoot. He was a proven winner, returning to his alma mater. I'm sure there's some combination out there, but who knows. Jim Tressel was not Ohio State's first choice, Dantonio was not Michigan State's first choice.

Harbaugh was the obvious choice, there is not an obvious choice, but that doesn't mean there's not a better choice. There are certainly far worse choices though
He was a proven winner, and the right guy at the time. But everyone knew going in he's got an extremely short shelf-life. He's got huge burn-out factor- and he wears everyone around him down. That's happened. And let's also be honest- the college game has evolved a lot- even since 2015. The college game is constantly evolving. And Harbaugh is incapable of evolving with it. It has definitely passed him bye. He was able to get away with his stone age passing offenses and concepts for the first few years- but not any longer. Harbaugh's style of ground and pound, safe QB play who won't make big plays downfield but also won't turn it over, and playing strong defense- it doesn't work. It won't win you anything in college today. Still works in the NFL to a degree- but just does not work in college.

After that 2014 playoff NC run where Cardale was going bombs away- and then the struggles they had with the QB play early on in 2015- even Urban Meyer realized, hey- I need to modernize my passing offense and bring it into the 21st century- he went out and got Ryan Day- and holy hell has Ohio State's passing game took a quantum leap forward with the arrival of Ryan Day.

They don't need a hot name. They need a good coach who is adaptable, doesn't wear people out, and who can either bring a modern passing game himself or hire the right people to do that and stay the F out of their way and be a great CEO. Harbaugh is incapable of playing CEO. His ego is such, his fingerprints are all inside the offenses on the teams he runs. This is one of the reasons he was ultimately canned in San Fransisco.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on January 10, 2021, 08:39:00 AM
I lean to preferring a more hands off head coach who attracts great assistants and lets them do their job with some guidance and oversight, but more of a leader and strategizer than one who constantly meddles.  I guess my work experience is relevant to this notion.

Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 10, 2021, 10:03:31 AM
This is a crap argument. They don’t need to hire a big name. They need to hire a good coach. There are plenty of good coaches out there. Have to interview them and find them.

Yeah, but then you might wind up with another RichRod or Hoke.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on January 10, 2021, 11:58:31 AM
Rich Rod was already well known in CFB circles.Wasn't a bad pick at the time but should have tried working with what he had instead of making it work with what he didn't have,JMO
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 10, 2021, 01:39:49 PM
Yeah, but then you might wind up with another RichRod or Hoke.
Hoke was a bad hire, anyway you slice it. He was a sub .500 coach at Ball State and San Diego State. He'd never really won anything. You don't hire people like this. Period.

RichRod was considered a great hire at the time. I still don't think it was a bad hire. I honestly think they bailed on him too soon. He was only given 3 years. He improved the team by 2 wins each year. He inherited a complete mess, after he was hired pretty much every good player from Michigan's 2007 team either transferred or declared early for NFL and just about every highly rated commit in the 2008 class de-committed. The roster was gutted and ontop of that RichRod was trying to completely change the offensive system on the fly with a bunch of pieces that just didn't fit. I loved Denard, but he should've never been playing QB. Terrell Pryor at QB and Denard at say RB would've changed that offense by leaps and bounds. Missing out on Pryor in 2008 really was a killer for RichRod. Pryor was born to run that system. Would've been a match made in heaven, and would've allowed Michigan to play it's most explosive play-maker (Denard) where he belonged (and ultimately played at in NFL) at RB.

Michigan AD could've easily kept RichRod, forced Mattison or some other top notch DC on him, and won 10+ games in 2011 like Hoke did.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on January 10, 2021, 02:44:54 PM
Hoke was a bad hire, anyway you slice it. He was a sub .500 coach at Ball State and San Diego State. He'd never really won anything. You don't hire people like this. Period.

I find the Hoke thing endlessly fascinating. 

His resume is one of the best examples of the backwards-looking rorschach test of coaching resumes. He went to two schools, took over not good situations and delivered some of their best seasons in modern memory in his final years. His record was not good, but it was mostly from the rebuild factor. Maybe having longer rebuilds at bad jobs isn't a sign of future potential success? (Like if Nick Saban isn't good at LSU, do people remember he was a .500ish MSU coach who caught the right batch of talent that last year?)

Now there were other reasons he shouldn't have gotten the job. His peak at Ball State was an explosive and unstable offense, something that was clearly not really his doing. Oddly, his best SD State team had a prolific offense run by Al Borges. He was a defensive guy, who had so-so defenses. But he promised change from the last guy, insider vs. outsider, power to leverage being a favorite rather than an underdog's gimmick. Those are probably not good reasons to hire a guy. 

And then he arrived, Mattison turned a bunch of defensive talent we didn't like into a good unit. The offense was OK, with the promise of getting the talent that fit it better. Then the offense got worse, then the defense got worse, then the offense got really bad, all while the "talent" improved. What a weird run. 
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on January 10, 2021, 02:55:11 PM
I find the Hoke thing endlessly fascinating.

His resume is one of the best examples of the backwards-looking rorschach test of coaching resumes. He went to two schools, took over not good situations and delivered some of their best seasons in modern memory in his final years. His record was not good, but it was mostly from the rebuild factor. Maybe having longer rebuilds at bad jobs isn't a sign of future potential success? (Like if Nick Saban isn't good at LSU, do people remember he was a .500ish MSU coach who caught the right batch of talent that last year?)

Now there were other reasons he shouldn't have gotten the job. His peak at Ball State was an explosive and unstable offense, something that was clearly not really his doing. Oddly, his best SD State team had a prolific offense run by Al Borges. He was a defensive guy, who had so-so defenses. But he promised change from the last guy, insider vs. outsider, power to leverage being a favorite rather than an underdog's gimmick. Those are probably not good reasons to hire a guy.

And then he arrived, Mattison turned a bunch of defensive talent we didn't like into a good unit. The offense was OK, with the promise of getting the talent that fit it better. Then the offense got worse, then the defense got worse, then the offense got really bad, all while the "talent" improved. What a weird run.
In the what ifs, what if instead of Borges he had a good offensive coordinator. 
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 10, 2021, 03:27:39 PM
The problem is that the worst possible scenario isn't all that far fetched; botching another hire, while Harbaugh wins big somewhere else. 
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Temp430 on January 10, 2021, 04:15:56 PM
If Raven’s linebacker coach Mike Macdonald is Michigan’s next DC I hope he makes recruiting DTs a priority.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 10, 2021, 06:32:59 PM
here’s a name... 

Billy Napier. 41 years old. He spent 7 years at Clemson with Dabo. 5 years at Alabama with Saban. 

Took over a team that went 5-7 in 2017 and had a meh .500 rebuild first season in 2018, but season two he went 11-3 and in season three he’s 10-1, won the Sun Belt, beat a top 10 ranked Iowa State team lead by Matt Campbell, and his only loss this year was by 3 pts. 

Looks like a promising up and comer to me. You can take a chance on someone like this. Don’t have to hire a hot name just because. 
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 10, 2021, 06:44:43 PM
So apparently Xavier Worthy- Michigan’s best WR prospect since DPJ- may be asking for his release. 

Also- according to Sam Webb- who would definitely know this sort of thing- Michigan has slipped in the recruitment of 5* CB in-state legacy Will Johnson. Apparently firing Don Brown and all the uncertainty over who will be his DC and CBs coach is a problem. Gee who would’ve freaking thought!

Michigan just can’t have nice things. Absolute hilarity.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: ELA on January 12, 2021, 12:11:01 AM
https://twitter.com/internetraj/status/1348823878848507907?s=19
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 12, 2021, 07:54:36 PM
Didn’t know where to put it- so I’ll post it here.

RichRod hired to be Louisiana Monroe’s OC. Oh how the mighty have fallen. This guy was once upon a time the hottest coaching commodity in the game outside of Urban. Alabama offered the job and he accepted and was their coach til his wife made him renege on the deal at the last possible second. Michigan hired him a couple years later.  

Always think about that. Alabama snatching Saban and becoming this ridiculous dynasty is his damn fault. If he just takes that job, there’s a real chance Saban winds up at Michigan. F’in hillbilly.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: ELA on January 12, 2021, 08:44:00 PM
Didn’t know where to put it- so I’ll post it here.

RichRod hired to be Louisiana Monroe’s OC. Oh how the mighty have fallen. This guy was once upon a time the hottest coaching commodity in the game outside of Urban. Alabama offered the job and he accepted and was their coach til his wife made him renege on the deal at the last possible second. Michigan hired him a couple years later. 

Always think about that. Alabama snatching Saban and becoming this ridiculous dynasty is his damn fault. If he just takes that job, there’s a real chance Saban winds up at Michigan. F’in hillbilly.
With Terry Bowden as HC?

Billy Napier laughing right now
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 13, 2021, 01:43:27 PM
With Terry Bowden as HC?

Billy Napier laughing right now
who is the DC? Greg Robinson.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 13, 2021, 02:09:49 PM
sounds like CB's coach Mike Zordich and safeties coach Bob Shoop are out at Michigan. 

Sam Webb says Ravens LB coach Mike McDonald is going to be the next DC. Not sure if he'll be a CO. Says there are 7 guys being targeted by McDonald for defensive secondary positions...

Jesse Minter, Baltimore Ravens' defensive backs coach
Steve Clinkscale, Kentucky DB's coach
Archie Collins, Pitt secondary coach
Tim Banks, PSU Co-DC/Safeties coach
Roy Anderson, Minnesota Vikings DB's coach
Al Harris, Dallas Cowboys DB's coach 
Aubrey Pleasant, LA Rams CB's coach 
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 13, 2021, 02:15:50 PM
Didn’t know where to put it- so I’ll post it here.

RichRod hired to be Louisiana Monroe’s OC. Oh how the mighty have fallen. This guy was once upon a time the hottest coaching commodity in the game outside of Urban.


Well at Arizona he had a winning record 5 out of 6 seasons, with a 10 spot in the mix. That's about as good as you can do there. It was his off field antics that did him in. 
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 13, 2021, 02:23:33 PM

Well at Arizona he had a winning record 5 out of 6 seasons, with a 10 spot in the mix. That's about as good as you can do there. It was his off field antics that did him in.
surprised Saban didn't hire him as an offensive analyst. Saban runs a coaches rehab clinic. Takes disgraced, fired, philanderars and drunks like Kiffin and Sark and gets them HC jobs at P5. 
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on January 13, 2021, 02:59:25 PM


Kinda like Belichick did for him
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Temp430 on January 14, 2021, 05:08:02 AM
The Detroit News reports Mike Hart is Michigan’s new running backs coach.  Jay Harbaugh to coach special teams as reported earlier.  I think the offensive staff is set.

As for the evolving defensive staff, rumors say Mike Zordich is out at CB coach.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 14, 2021, 10:38:26 AM

The Detroit News reports Mike Hart is Michigan’s new running backs coach.


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Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: ELA on January 14, 2021, 10:55:20 AM

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Why would he leave an actual East Division contender?


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Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 14, 2021, 11:55:24 AM
Why would he leave an actual East Division contender?


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Mike Hart has done a fantastic job at Indiana at finding diamond in the rough RB's and coaching them up. I think he's going to be a massive upgrade at RB coach. I am pumped.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on January 15, 2021, 12:27:29 PM
Jim Harbaugh is speaking at the annual Michigan High School Football Coaches Association clinic this morning.

His personal goals for 2021::


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Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on January 15, 2021, 12:37:06 PM
At work, I used to sit through meetings where some new manager would put up very similar goals.  I paid attention when I was new to the company.

Not so much later.

Just words, not even very creative words.

Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on January 15, 2021, 12:54:10 PM
#6 is interesting

Pelini had this one mastered before finishing jr high
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on January 15, 2021, 01:09:17 PM
Mike Hart has done a fantastic job at Indiana at finding diamond in the rough RB's and coaching them up. I think he's going to be a massive upgrade at RB coach. I am pumped.
Provided Jeem and him don't start tossing haymakers at each other
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 15, 2021, 03:57:16 PM
sounds like Michigan has poached Florida's LB coach. Don't know anything about him other than he's young and apparently a great recruiter. Something Michigan desperately needs after losing safeties coach Chris Partridge- who was by far their best recruiter. The rest of the coaches on their defense- including Don Brown and Zordich- were basically dogshit recruiters.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 15, 2021, 04:15:14 PM
Michigan needs Dax Hill and Chris Hinton to play like 5 STARZ in 2021.

It blows my mind how Michigan keeps getting highly ranked kids year after year after year through Hoke-Harbaugh years, yet they completely fail to develop them and get the most out of them.

Dax Hill was the most athletic 5* safety recruit to hit the scene in at least a decade. Safeties that run legit 4.3's and have 44" verticals do not grow on trees. Alabama wanted him incredibly badly for a reason.

Chris Hinton- everybody wanted his ass. Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, Auburn, Florida, etc., etc.. He had a college body as a high schooler. He's got an NFL body as a college player. Has yet to translate into 5 STARZ on the field.

Even Jabrill and Gary- who were both 1st round picks- so hard to say they didn't live up to potential- didn't live up to their potential imo. Gary was so freakish he should've been a #1 overall pick. Jabrill was a really good college player but over-hyped- and looking back he was a way better HS player with the ball in his hands than he was on defense. He should've played RB at Michigan. Still would've been a 1st round pick and probably a better player at RB imo.

5 STARZ Derrick Green, Ondre Pipkins, and Aubrey Solomon all washed out under Harbuagh's reign- he never got anything out of any of them. He honestly didn't ever try to challenge any of them and he didn't try to keep any of them.

Donovan Peoples-Jones, Shea Patterson- prime example. DPJ was never developed. 5*, #1 WR, top 10 player overall. Never developed. At all. Didn't have a WR's coach for his first 2 years at Michigan- they had grad assistants coaching the WR's. Kid never learned how to run routes. Insane athletic ability, barely got drafted. He's running routes now on Sunday's. Where was that? Patterson was 5*, #1 QB, #4 player in the nation, actually saw him get worse year over year at Michigan instead of get better. Went undrafted. Look at Charbonnet now. Borderline 5*- not quite but came close- promising true frosh season, gotten worse in his second year and fallen off the face of the earth. He'd be a fool to stick around.

Harbaugh is a poor developer of talent. And most of his staff choices have been awful aside from his first staff with Tyrone Wheatley, Jedd Fisch, and Greg Mattison. But even then he had complete turds like Drevno and Pep Hamilton with him, so.

It blows my mind how he keeps attracting talent. Where you go matters. Who coaches you and develops you matters. These kids are going there because of the helmet, tradition, the town, and everything else the school offers imo. If I was a top player I would stay the hell away from Jim Harbaugh. He is toxic.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on January 17, 2021, 05:04:11 PM
Michigan hires Ravens LB coach Mike MacDonald to be DC
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on January 17, 2021, 06:22:46 PM
Shocker
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: ELA on January 18, 2021, 04:56:09 PM
Zach Charbonnet transferring
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 18, 2021, 09:59:53 PM
Zach Charbonnet transferring
He’s making the right decision. Harbaugh is a joke. 
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 19, 2021, 12:38:04 AM
Must not have cared for the Hart hire. 
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 19, 2021, 12:44:06 AM
Must not have cared for the Hart hire.
Nah. He’s been rumored to be leaving since midway through this past season.

He had 120+ snaps on offense and only 19 carries. All year. After leading the team in rushing as a true frosh and setting the freshman rushing td record with 11. He didn’t care for Harbaugh, Gattis, or that trash offense.  
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 19, 2021, 05:54:58 PM
Exit DE Luiji Vilain. He’s entered the transfer portal. Vilain was a top 100 recruit in the nation- #53 overall and #5 Weakside DE in the 247Composite. 

Not a big shocker, he had season ending injuries his first two years in Ann Arbor and never seemed to recover from them. 

Michigan loses two 100 recruits in last two days with Charbonnet and now Vilain.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 21, 2021, 09:57:22 PM
QB Dylan McCaffrey officially enters the portal.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on January 22, 2021, 10:09:19 AM
Dayum,UM shooting themselves in the foot recruiting QB's
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on January 22, 2021, 10:24:49 AM
kids move around these daze

rumors that his little brother Luke, might leave Lincoln
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on January 22, 2021, 10:26:31 AM
Entitled little brats ;D
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 22, 2021, 10:35:15 AM
They could have just switched schools, while pretending to be each other. 
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 23, 2021, 03:23:28 PM
Michigan new Defensive staff really getting after it recruiting. 

I think they’ll be a massive upgrade in recruiting. Don Brown, Bob Shoop, and Mike Zordich were literally horrible recruiters. Michigan recruiting took a huge blow when it lost Chris Partridge and Greg Mattison- those were their ace recruiters by far. Brian Jean-Mary- who was brand new in 2020- was literally their only recruiter on that entire side of the ball. Mo Linquist, Mike McDonald, and George Helow are all young coaches already attacking the recruiting trail. 

I still feel like Don Brown is a really good DC, but only when he has the talent to work with. His scheme requires elite talent. When he didn’t have great recruiters like Mattison and Partridge to sign that elite talent- his defenses fell off a cliff.  
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 23, 2021, 03:24:52 PM
Michigan supposedly in the thick of things for a pair of Tennessee transfers. 

former 5* Quavaris Crouch reportedly looking at Michigan and North Carolina. 

former 4* Henry To’o To’o reportedly down to Alabama, USC, and Michigan. 
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on January 23, 2021, 07:19:17 PM
Ed Warriner out?
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: ELA on January 23, 2021, 07:26:26 PM
Ed Warriner out?
Yup.  Hiring former player Ron Bellamy, who is currently top signee Donavan Edwards's HS coach at West Bloomfield
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 23, 2021, 08:07:37 PM
So basically Harbaugh is saying F**k it when it comes to coaching and is just loading up on recruiters.

Bellamy is going to be able to recruit the shit out of Michigan- an area they fell off the map once Wheatley left. Think this has to help them with 5* Will Johnson a ton.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 23, 2021, 08:09:52 PM
Yup.  Hiring former player Ron Bellamy, who is currently top signee Donavan Edwards's HS coach at West Bloomfield
West Bloomfield just won the state championship today by the way, with Donovan Edwards rushing for 3 TD’s and 270 yards. He ripped off td runs of 78 and 71 yards. 

He’s scary good. If he flops at Michigan- something went way wrong.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: ELA on January 23, 2021, 09:18:01 PM
So basically Harbaugh is saying F**k it when it comes to coaching and is just loading up on recruiters.

Bellamy is going to be able to recruit the shit out of Michigan- an area they fell off the map once Wheatley left. Think this has to help them with 5* Will Johnson a ton.
Edwards's backup is the #5 player in the state for 2022
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on January 23, 2021, 10:09:18 PM
So basically Harbaugh is saying F**k it when it comes to coaching and is just loading up on recruiters.
he see's the recrutin star totals at tOSU, Bama, and Clemson
or perhaps a group of boosters is pushing that button
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on January 23, 2021, 10:58:01 PM
Michigan supposedly in the thick of things for a pair of Tennessee transfers.

former 5* Quavaris Crouch reportedly looking at Michigan and North Carolina.

former 4* Henry To’o To’o reportedly down to Alabama, USC, and Michigan.
To’o To’o is damn good. Crouch is a physical freak, but I wouldn't touch that one. Something ain't right with him. 
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 23, 2021, 11:21:17 PM
To’o To’o is damn good. Crouch is a physical freak, but I wouldn't touch that one. Something ain't right with him.
He’s playing defense when the kid was rated as an OMGEEEERD 5 STARZ at RB. He’s a Derrick Henry clone that is dead set on playing defense.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on January 23, 2021, 11:33:30 PM
He’s playing defense when the kid was rated as an OMGEEEERD 5 STARZ at RB. He’s a Derrick Henry clone that is dead set on playing defense.
Yup. Kid can move at that size and wants to be a low-ceiling linebacker. It's odd,
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on January 23, 2021, 11:47:55 PM
Ed Warriner out?
Yup.  
Dumb move,dumb hope the Browns or Buckeyes pick him up
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on January 24, 2021, 08:57:02 AM
Ed Warriner out?
Rumors Urbz might have snatched him up
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on January 24, 2021, 08:57:52 AM
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michigan-mega-millions-ticket-wins-over-1b-jackpot/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michigan-mega-millions-ticket-wins-over-1b-jackpot/)

Some one in Michigan just got rich
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on January 24, 2021, 09:35:16 AM
new blood in the boosters of substance?
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: ELA on January 24, 2021, 09:44:22 AM
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michigan-mega-millions-ticket-wins-over-1b-jackpot/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michigan-mega-millions-ticket-wins-over-1b-jackpot/)

Some one in Michigan just got rich

Warriner?
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 24, 2021, 01:13:09 PM
Rumors Urbz might have snatched him up
Might be a better fit for the NFL. Warriner is a real good coach, but he’s honestly a shitty recruiter.

NFL he’d just have to coach, not have to worry about recruiting.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 25, 2021, 03:05:03 PM
Lot of smoke that Penn State LB Lance Dixon is transferring to Michigan. 

Dixon is from Michigan and played at West Bloomfield HS under new Michigan WRs coach Ronald Bellamy. 

Dixon was rated as a 4* and the 179th player in the nation overall in the 247Composite in the class of 2019- but 247 was much higher on him rating him as a 5* and the #13th player overall in the nation in 247’s own rankings.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 25, 2021, 11:51:14 PM
Zach Smith- yes that Zach Smith- basically calling out Ed Warriner saying he's a shitty coach and a major league prick in general and that Michigan made the right move getting rid of him....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFsAfJN5R3o
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 26, 2021, 12:15:46 AM
speaking of Warriner- the OL's that he's been the main recruiter at Michigan were.....

2019
4* Nolan Rumler (was going to go to Michigan regardless of who recruited him)
4* Trevor Keegan 
4* Karsen Barnhart
3* Zach Carpenter (transferred)

2020
4* Zak Zinter
4* Jeffrey Persi
3* Reece Atteberry  

2021
4* Giovanni El-Hadi (see: Rumler) 
4* Greg Crippen
3* Tristan Bounds


Warriner was rated as the #44 recruiter in the B1G alone in 2021 by 247Sports. Warriner by the way also lost a big lead on a pair of in-state top 100 OL recruits in Rocco Spindler (#60 player overall- ND) and Garrett Dellinger (#90 player overall- LSU). An ace recruiter never let's those guys get away from their backyard imo.

All of these guys above will obviously be coached by someone else going forward now that Warriner has been canned. Will be interesting to see how many of them develop into real players/get drafted. The 3 guys Warriner had that got drafted were all recruited by someone else and coached by someone else their first couple seasons at Michigan. Ben Bredeson was a borderline 5* (#39 player overall- just 7 spots away), Cesar Ruiz was close as well (#47 player overall) and Mike Onwenu was a top 100 player (#87 overall). The only recruit of any of those Warriner signed in that top 100 overall range was El-Hadi- who ranks the #85 player overall in the 2021 class. 

Warriner had 3 guys drafted- Ruiz was a 1st round pick, Bredeson a 4th round pick. I thought both were excellent college players. But you can make a good case that Mike Onwenu never developed properly- who that's on- Warriner- the strength staff- Harbaugh- I don't really know- but the guy was a 6th round pick- goes off to New England and in his rookie year was one of the best offensive linemen in the entire NFL- as a rookie. 

He'll have another drafted in Jalen Mayfield- but like the other 3- he wasn't recruited by Warriner- he was there before Warriner was ever hired.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on January 26, 2021, 08:11:53 AM
Zach Smith- yes that Zach Smith- basically calling out Ed Warriner saying he's a shitty coach and a major league prick in general and that Michigan made the right move getting rid of him....
The thing is that may all be true but coming from Zach it's like Hitler calling Stalin a bad guy.But i still think from a mechanics/techniques aspect Warriner is dialed in.He's out of his element as an OC.Coaches sometimes have to be hard on players because the opponent certainly will.Now if half the crap about Zach is accurate - taking coaches of recruits to strip bars(with Herman).Bumping uglies with chicks after hours at the Athletic Center.Someone said he ordered sex toys that got delivered at work,damn that's just classless and crass.Zach sounds like he's describing himself.Harbaugh has way more to do with recruiting than Ed who just got there 2 yrs back.Seems Zach left out these tidbits

In his first two years with the program, Warinner led the only offensive line in the Big Ten to see all five starters earn all-conference recognition. Highlighted by Jon Runyan (first team, 2019-20) and Ben Bredeson (second team, 2018; first team, 2019), the U-M offensive line made dramatic strides under Warinner's directon. Bredeson was also named the team's Toughest Player in 2018.

In Warinner's first year, sacks (23 allowed) and tackles for loss (59 allowed) decreased 36 and 40 percent, respectively, from their totals the year before. The starting offensive line combined for a pass blocking efficiency rating of 97.8. The U-M offense ranked fifth nationally in time of possession and the offense's total output of 5,457 yards ranks fifth all-time at in school history.

When he was in C-Bus the O-Lineman loved him and coached guys up.Ask Zach why the Jets coaches said Devin Smith needed improvement as a route runner after 3 yrs getting coached by you know who.Smith ripped up 2 knees so he had some problems but raw talent wasn't one of them

Yup people can change but Zach has a long way to go
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 26, 2021, 11:17:04 AM
Oh yeah forgot about Jon Runyan, he was also a 6th rd pick. Another guy who was already there and recruited by someone else. If Mayfield gets drafted 1st rd like most of the mocks are projecting, that’ll be 5 OL draft picks Wariner has had in 3 seasons- and he recruited none of them.

Is recruiting more important or coaching at the college level? Like is identifying and offering and signing talent more important than coaching them up? We’re about to find out. Not sure about Sherrone Moore ability as an OL coach at all but he can most definitely recruit his ass off. Dax Hill, JJ McCarthy, Donovan Edwards, AJ Henning - he recruited them all and many more others. He was rated by 247 as the #8 recruiter in all of college football.

I think Wariner is a really good OL coach but he’s definitely a piss poor OC and play-caller, and very mediocre at recruiting. Warriner’s title at Michigan wasn’t just OL coach- it was also “run game co-ordinator”- which suggests he was in large part responsible for the running game and calling or selecting run plays- and Michigan’s run game fell off a cliff year over year.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 26, 2021, 11:28:09 AM
So it was his say on which RB's were used in games? That could explain the transfer. Maybe the kid will come back now??
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 26, 2021, 12:46:25 PM
So it was his say on which RB's were used in games? That could explain the transfer. Maybe the kid will come back now??
Not sure. Zach Charbonnet isn't coming back regardless. Rumors are UCLA, USC, and Wisconsin are the schools he's looking at.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 27, 2021, 01:09:33 PM
Belleville HS head coach Jermain Crowell was on Michigan homer/booster/Harbaugh crotch sniffer Sam Webb's radio show this am. Apparently with the hiring of Mike Hart and Ron Bellamy, the fences have been mended. Harbaugh has even spoken with Crowell according to him and they've buried the hatchet. This is a big deal. Michigan/Harbaugh was basically banned from Belleville.

Belleville had one 5* and one 4* player in the 2021 cycle- and neither went to Michigan. The 5* DT went to Bama, the 4* LB went to Penn State. They have a lot of talent coming up through their rankings in the next few classes. Michigan needs to keep it's high-end high school football talent home. They don't have very much of it year over year.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: ELA on January 27, 2021, 01:11:39 PM
Belleville HS head coach Jermain Crowell was on Michigan homer/booster/Harbaugh crotch sniffer Sam Webb's radio show this am. Apparently with the hiring of Mike Hart and Ron Bellamy, the fences have been mended. Harbaugh has even spoken with Crowell according to him and they've buried the hatchet. This is a big deal. Michigan/Harbaugh was basically banned from Belleville.

Belleville had one 5* and one 4* player in the 2021 cycle- and neither went to Michigan. The 5* DT went to Bama, the 4* LB went to Penn State. They have a lot of talent coming up through their rankings in the next few classes. Michigan needs to keep it's high-end high school football talent home. They don't have very much of it year over year.
Their best player in the 2022 class committed to Kentucky today
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 27, 2021, 01:19:36 PM
Their best player in the 2022 class committed to Kentucky today
Myles Rowser committed? He's their highest rated player I believe.

Michigan 100% should've hired Clinkscale.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: ELA on January 27, 2021, 01:33:53 PM
Myles Rowser committed? He's their highest rated player I believe.

Michigan 100% should've hired Clinkscale.
Apparently they tried.


And no, Caldwell.  I forgot about Rowser
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 27, 2021, 01:37:34 PM
Harbaugh ball-washer Sam Webb also reporting that basically Michigan will not be pursuing Tennessee transfer portal LB Henry To'o To'o.

When the news first broke- insider over at 247's Alabama site reported To'o To'o was looking at Alabama, Michigan, USC, and Georgia. Well, scratch Michigan off that list.

EDIT: Webb also states they won't be pursuing Tennessee transfer portal LB Quavaris Crouch either. Clemson's 247's insider had reported Clemson kicked the tires but Crouch was looking at North Carolina and....Michigan.

Well scratch Michigan off that list as well.

Really don't get it. Apparently Harbaugh thinks he's a good enough coach and he's got enough talent to not pursue more talent. LOL.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 28, 2021, 02:17:06 PM
Jim Harbaugh to coach QB's. Jesus Christ. If you thought Michigan's QB play couldn't get any worse.....it's about to.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Temp430 on February 03, 2021, 09:56:25 AM
4-star DT Rayshaun Benny and 3-star DT Ikechukwu Iwunnah have committed to Michigan.  Much much needed.  Poached from Sparty and Colorado, respectively.

4-star DT George Rooks has also signed his LOi.  Michigan’s DT recruiting tire fire is out.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on February 06, 2021, 06:45:47 PM
Ed Warriner to FAU.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on February 06, 2021, 07:12:16 PM
Wish tOSU would have scouped him back up,perhaps Day wasn't too keen - but the guy can coach
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 07, 2021, 08:01:59 AM
Should have stayed at Minnesota. Guy bounces around. A lot.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on February 07, 2021, 01:32:03 PM
Should have stayed at Minnesota. Guy bounces around. A lot.
Sounds like he’s an asshole and rubs people the wrong way. He’s also a terrible OC and super shitty recruiter. Not a great combo.

He can definitely coach OL’s though. Need to be able to recruit and get along with people though. Two things he apparently cannot do.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Benthere2 on February 07, 2021, 04:57:46 PM
Should have stayed at Minnesota. Guy bounces around. A lot.
im glad he didnt!
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: ELA on February 08, 2021, 02:11:55 PM
I wonder if his son follows him.  He might actually be able to play there
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 08, 2021, 04:14:13 PM
I recall Warriner being outstanding as an OL coach, but it might have just seemed that way after Bollman. 
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on February 08, 2021, 08:24:33 PM
I recall Warriner being outstanding as an OL coach, but it might have just seemed that way after Bollman.
I think he can definitely coach OL's. Question is- how does he get along with others? He's proven to be a horrible OC and he definitely sucks at recruiting. The guy replacing him at OL coach- Sheron Moore- is one of the best recruiters there is.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Temp430 on February 09, 2021, 08:07:05 AM
I'm a little nervous about an OL couch that never coached an OL before given the last 10 years.  Warriner repaired Michigan's decade long OL trouble.  Having done that I wouldn't have cared if he was the love child of Hitler and Lenin.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 09, 2021, 09:06:47 AM
He might do well. Example:

Joe Rudolph never coached OL before being named OL coach by Chryst, but he played OL at UW under King Barry. 

JR is also an ace recruiter. Lots of similarities there.

If Moore can do as well as JR did, Michigan will be just fine.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on February 09, 2021, 09:24:32 AM
  Warriner repaired Michigan's decade long OL trouble. 
THIS,he also took cast offs from other positions and formed them into technically sound linemen.Not sure he was that bad at recruiting but perhaps the slide was peretrated by Harbaughs presense.His down turn in C-Bus is when he attempted to run the Offense different skill set altogether.I had read he wanted to stay in AA but Jeem cleaning house to keep the wolves at bay.Be nice if M/MSU/UNL/PSU would step up and make the conference exciting
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on February 19, 2021, 08:07:29 AM
QB Joe Milton is in the portal. Thank god. Harbaugh might've been stupid enough to just hand him the job in 2021 with zero competition.....AGAIN. 

Going to be a battle of the Mc's. McNamara v. McCarthy.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on February 19, 2021, 08:44:33 AM
Is Ronnie bell coming back?
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on February 19, 2021, 08:51:45 AM
That's a thin quarterback room
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 19, 2021, 08:55:07 AM
Didn't Warriner have a crop of solid OL recruits lined up? 
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Temp430 on February 19, 2021, 09:26:18 AM
I think the OL Warriner recruited will stick.   Maybe Michigan will start looking for another QB in the portal but I think the need at CB and DT is greater.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on February 19, 2021, 10:19:29 AM
That's a thin quarterback room
Yeah, blame it on Harbaugh for handing a super shitty QB the starting job with literally zero competition and running off the one QB on his roster that might’ve been decent to good.

McCaffrey should’ve been the clear cut starter last season and this year with McNamara as the back-up and McCarthy redshirting and being a break glass in case of emergency option.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Temp430 on February 21, 2021, 06:30:55 AM
LB coach Jean-Mary to Tennessee just before Spring practice to begin?   DL coach Nua is now the only remaining coach from last year on the defensive staff.

Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Temp430 on February 22, 2021, 08:43:29 AM
Rumored coaching assignments after the departure of Jean-Mary and hire of Matt Weiss from the Ravens.  Have not heard who will take WRs if Bellamy is in fact now on the defensive staff.  

Offensive coordinator:  Josh Gattis
Quarterbacks: Matt Weiss
Running backs: Mike Hart
Offensive line: Sherrone Moore
Wide receivers:
Tight ends: Jay Harbaugh

Defensive coordinator: Mike Macdonald
Defensive line: Shaun Nua
Linebackers: George Helow
Safeties: Ron Bellamy
Cornerbacks: Maurice Linquist

Special teams: Jay Harbaugh

Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on February 22, 2021, 09:05:09 AM
Not sure why sonny boy is still on the staff.Someone needs to put steel in their spine and tell Jeem
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: ELA on February 22, 2021, 09:47:46 AM
Never forget the Ron Bellamy WR coach era
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Temp430 on February 22, 2021, 10:47:20 AM
Never forget the Ron Bellamy WR coach era

LOL.  Maybe its just for Spring practice starting today I think.  One could argue they need more improvement at safety than WR.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on February 22, 2021, 12:52:59 PM
Michigan coaching staff is a f*kn shitshow mess put together by a bird brain moron. 
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on February 22, 2021, 01:46:42 PM
You've always been a blatant homer 😎
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 25, 2021, 04:23:08 PM
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Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
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Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
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Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on March 31, 2021, 11:11:49 AM
Michigan loses a really good, very athletic 4* DB commit and ultra-athletic jitterbug slot-ninja Giles Jackson enters the portal. 

Sinking shit show of a ship.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on April 15, 2021, 02:57:53 PM
Xavier Worthy, one of their top recruits, asks out of his LOI
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on April 18, 2021, 11:30:14 PM
Xavier Worthy, one of their top recruits, asks out of his LOI
When it rains it pours. Kid is going to be a STAR. One of the fastest, most explosive, & fluid HS recruits to come around in a very long time. Should've been a 5 STARZ- and might've had Cali actually had a HS football season.

He was bound to leave after Giles Jackson jumped ship. Jackson is from same area of Cali as Worthy and was close friends with Worthy- one of the reasons Michigan landed Worthy in the first place was Giles Jackson.

Sinking shithole. Michigan football, Harbaugh, and the entire state of Michigan is a shithole shit show. F that place.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Temp430 on April 19, 2021, 09:12:14 AM
My understanding is that Worthy did not qualify with university admissions.  
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 19, 2021, 09:35:20 AM
That's not good. The coaches need to find these kids out before throwing out offers.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: ELA on April 19, 2021, 11:02:26 AM
My understanding is that Worthy did not qualify with university admissions. 
There was some paperwork issues which prevented him from enrolling early, but did not impact his ability to enroll in the fall
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on April 20, 2021, 07:16:15 AM
Sinking shithole. Michigan football, Harbaugh, and the entire state of Michigan is a shithole shit show. F that place.
Things could be better right now for sure but it's got it's positives.Beautiful state,lot of natural resources and no Hurricanes.Government could use a good working over though
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on April 20, 2021, 10:16:52 AM
There was some paperwork issues which prevented him from enrolling early, but did not impact his ability to enroll in the fall
this. 

He wasn't allowed to enroll early, but he was admitted to the school no problem. Has nothing to do with grades. He just doesn't believe in Harbaugh and wants out of Michigan. Can't blame him.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on April 24, 2021, 01:53:20 PM
Michigan portal transferee OT Willie Allen - who just transferred in this spring and was slated to start in 2021- is transferring from Michigan. Just entered the portal. LMAO. Sinking shit hole. WTF is going on up there? Harbaugh has got to go. What a shitshow.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Temp430 on April 26, 2021, 08:00:48 AM
I would surmise Willie figured out after Spring practice that he wasn't going to see the field much.  You don't transfer somewhere to ride the bench. Good news for Michigan's OL.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on April 26, 2021, 08:37:22 AM
Michigan portal transferee OT Willie Allen - who just transferred in this spring and was slated to start in 2021- is transferring from Michigan. Just entered the portal. 
This is bullshit,the NCAA has to install some sort of measures.Make a committment and stick to it.They should only be allowed to transfer one time a season,assuming there were extenuating circumstances in the 1st place.Then let the student sit out a season and pay his own freight,maybe they'll actually give thought to the decision making process
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on May 08, 2021, 02:58:43 PM
The Buffalo Bulls needed to move quick to find a head football coach following Lance Leipold’s departure to become the new head coach at Kansas last month. And Buffalo announced the hiring of Michigan co-defensive coordinator Maurice Linguist as its next head coach, Friday evening.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on May 09, 2021, 03:41:50 PM
Things could be better right now for sure but it's got it's positives.Beautiful state,lot of natural resources and no Hurricanes.Government could use a good working over though
Please lol. I'm from there. That state is a dying, miserable, ugly shithole.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on May 09, 2021, 03:43:28 PM
The Buffalo Bulls needed to move quick to find a head football coach following Lance Leipold’s departure to become the new head coach at Kansas last month. And Buffalo announced the hiring of Michigan co-defensive coordinator Maurice Linguist as its next head coach, Friday evening.
LMAO. This is seriously just getting comical. The ace recruiter they had on staff- there a few months and he's already gone. LOL. Michigan football featuring Jim Harbaugh is a literal sideshow circus freak shit show. Might as well just blow the entire thing up and start all over.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on May 09, 2021, 03:51:02 PM
Please lol. I'm from there. That state is a dying, miserable, ugly shithole.
We spent a nice vacation in upper MI and the UP.  Traverse City etc.  It was summer of course.

My first job offer was in Midland.  I was in school in NC and the interview was in February.  Their head of recruiting told me they rarely interviewed folks from the south for obvious reasons.  I don't know why they interviewed me.

It was a two day interview with two divisions.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on May 09, 2021, 03:56:55 PM
We spent a nice vacation in upper MI and the UP.  Traverse City etc. It was summer of course.

My first job offer was in Midland.  I was in school in NC and the interview was in February.  Their head of recruiting told me they rarely interviewed folks from the south for obvious reasons.  I don't know why they interviewed me.

It was a two day interview with two divisions.
That's basically Canada. And the winters, fall, and spring suck more up there than they do in the southern parts of the state. You got 3 months of it being nice- other 9 months are god awful.

Consider yourself lucky you didn't get the job. Michigan sucks.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: ELA on May 09, 2021, 10:57:28 PM
Northern Michigan is perhaps the most underrated part of the country...to visit.

I worked for a company with their HQ up there, and went up once in September, which was amazing.  It was like summer...but no tourists.  I went up for a training in early November, my god, the wind off the lake was brutal.  Half the stores were seasonal.  The restaurants and bars were mostly closed.  I was up there for a week, and literally the best place to eat was an Applebee's a half hour away.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on May 10, 2021, 10:54:15 AM
My brother was stationed in the UP for about 6 years.He was an ATC at K.I. Sawyer AFB that has since been decommisioned and turned over for  civil use.He made lots of money plowing in the winter with his 4x4.He said the worst part was the swarms of mosquitoes in the summer.He'd never heard of a mosquito bite as they seemed to come at you all at once.He liked the area though - beautiful country
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on May 10, 2021, 03:38:34 PM
Northern Michigan is perhaps the most underrated part of the country...to visit.

I worked for a company with their HQ up there, and went up once in September, which was amazing.  It was like summer...but no tourists.  I went up for a training in early November, my god, the wind off the lake was brutal.  Half the stores were seasonal.  The restaurants and bars were mostly closed.  I was up there for a week, and literally the best place to eat was an Applebee's a half hour away.
Holy shit. That sounds brutal. I would kill myself. 
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Temp430 on May 13, 2021, 07:45:25 AM
Michigan has hired Steve Clinkscale from Kentucky to replace Linquist.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Temp430 on May 13, 2021, 08:36:54 AM
LMAO. This is seriously just getting comical. The ace recruiter they had on staff- there a few months and he's already gone. LOL. Michigan football featuring Jim Harbaugh is a literal sideshow circus freak shit show. Might as well just blow the entire thing up and start all over.

Things like this happen.  It was a no brainer for Linguist.  And Michigan has arguably replaced him with an even better recruiter and DB coach.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on May 13, 2021, 09:41:42 AM
That's basically Canada. And the winters, fall, and spring suck more up there than they do in the southern parts of the state. You got 3 months of it being nice- other 9 months are god awful.

Consider yourself lucky you didn't get the job. Michigan sucks.
I got an offer, it was very lucrative for the area, I just couldn't see it.  My other offers were in Cincy and Delaware (duPont).  That was a tougher choice.

The oil companies were starting interviews but I simply didn't have time for them so I cut it off.  I was pulling some long hours back in the day.  There was a thing I could only use at night and it would run 2-3 hours per sample depending.  I'd sleep in a chair in the lab and it would DING when it finished and wake me up.  Usually.
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Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on May 13, 2021, 09:44:04 AM
So, Michigan ...  I mentioned my physical therapist was a big UM fan and wanted them to fire JH NOW!!!! and hopes they have a sad season to make that so.

How do fans in general think?  Do many hope for a disaster?
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on May 13, 2021, 09:49:50 AM
I'm hoping for a michigan disaster in Lincoln on October 9th.

very possibly the date of the annual Sharkwater Party

yes, you all are invited
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: ELA on May 13, 2021, 11:27:40 AM
So, Michigan ...  I mentioned my physical therapist was a big UM fan and wanted them to fire JH NOW!!!! and hopes they have a sad season to make that so.

How do fans in general think?  Do many hope for a disaster?
All of my UM family wants him gone, but only one is actively rooting for a bad season for it to happen.  He was pissed that the UM-OSU game got cancelled last year, because he thought another blowout may have done it.
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on May 13, 2021, 11:34:36 AM
Please lol. I'm from there. That state is a dying, miserable, ugly shithole.
Put that thing out you'll burn your fingers.Used to go fishing up in Luddington on Lake Michigan - Beautiful.Brother lived in the UP Beautiful.SIL was from Muskegon on the Lake from what I remember it was nice.Lot of out of staters come up for the summers.Been up to Sleeping Bear Dunes,Traverse City when but a lad - magnificent.Good Friend honeymooned at Mackinac - they loved it.Does everything suck in your little bubble?

:character0029:
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: ELA on June 23, 2021, 06:10:02 PM
And yet MSU's 2003 roster is elusive

https://twitter.com/ConorMcQ5/status/1407442378659663872?s=20
Title: Re: 2021 Michigan Off-Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on June 23, 2021, 06:12:55 PM
Orange Afro will have a field day!!!