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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: OrangeAfroMan on December 14, 2020, 12:05:54 AM
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P5 program openings:
South Carolina - filled (Shane Beamer)
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Vanderbilt -
Arizona -
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Probably is the worst year to go looking for a new coach, given the circumstances. Which is why I'm guessing Harbaugh and especially Tom Herman still have their gigs. Their schools know better than to think they can come up with anything better. I'm not sure what Auburn is thinking. The Tigers are in good enough shape to wait another year if they really wanted Mahlzan gone. Same goes for Illinois - what are they thinking? Lovie has had the Illini trendy steadily upward until this year with COVID more to blame for their 2-5 W/L record.
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Probably is the worst year to go looking for a new coach, given the circumstances. Which is why I'm guessing Harbaugh and especially Tom Herman still have their gigs. Their schools know better than to think they can come up with anything better. I'm not sure what Auburn is thinking. The Tigers are in good enough shape to wait another year if they really wanted Mahlzan gone. Same goes for Illinois - what are they thinking? Lovie has had the Illini trendy steadily upward until this year with COVID more to blame for their 2-5 W/L record.
I did not expect much turnover this season. Programs have less money. COVID-19 can excuse some performance issues.
I suspect Auburn needs stability, not turnover.
If a program hires out of the assistant coach ranks, it is less likely to pay a buyout fee, along with an elevated salary.
I thought it might be a mistake for Illinois to hire Lovie Smith. They may have thought they were gaining a strong recruiter hiring an especially well-known guy in Illinois with NFL experience, but his predecessor Bill Cubit had a good year. Cubit went back to coaching high school one-year, then to Delaware one-year, and is now retired at age 67.
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Who might Auburn get who is notably better than Gus?
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Who might Auburn get who is notably better than Gus?
Nobody. Gus was actually pretty good. It’s Auburn. There isn’t a whole lot of talent in Alabama, it’s a small poor state- and the little bit of elite talent Alabama produces all goes to Nick Saban. He was actually competitive at Auburn, he won the SEC west twice, beat Bama 3 times, and won the SEC once. It wasn’t like he was Harbaughing it.
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Auburn always seemed like a tough out to me. UGA is 13-3 since 2006. They recruit heavily in Georgia of course, with considerable success.
They could end up doing a Tennessee.
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I'm hearing rumors that Texas Tech is considering firing their HC as well.
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Former Houston head coach and current Alabama offensive analyst Major Applewhite has been hired as Butch Jones’ offensive coordinator at Arkansas State, according to a story from Football Scoop. The report states that Jones was looking to hire an offensive coordinator from the SEC ranks to help with off-the-field roles, such as player personnel and recruiting.
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I'm not sure what Auburn is thinking. The Tigers are in good enough shape to wait another year if they really wanted Mahlzan gone. Same goes for Illinois - what are they thinking? Lovie has had the Illini trendy steadily upward until this year with COVID more to blame for their 2-5 W/L record.
That's the crazy part didn't the Admn just give GUS a nice extension less than 2 yrs back.Crazy how they piss away coin
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Auburn could well do a Tennessee here and end up regretting this in 2-3-4 years. Arkansas is showing signs of life, that hire was a good one so far. A&M is looking solid, another probable good hire. LSU should remain at least pretty good usually. UGA is going to be good, and they play them all.
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Not a HC, but NU DC Mike Hankwitz is retiring after 51 years in coaching. That's a big loss for them.
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Damn 51 yrs,he prolly looks every bit a coach to,not like these all gussied up cup cakes
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Who might Auburn get who is notably better than Gus?
No one, at least no one with a better resume. But LSU wasn’t going to find someone with a better resume when they fired Miles. Same with Richt and UGA.
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Auburn always seemed like a tough out to me. UGA is 13-3 since 2006. They recruit heavily in Georgia of course, with considerable success.
They could end up doing a Tennessee.
It’s a really tough out.
There aren’t even 5 million people in a state that they are little brother in. Alabama is the dominant program in-state and for the last decade plus with Saban they have been the dominant program nationally- which just makes it harder on Auburn.
Not sure Auburn is the type of school that can go into any state in the nation and get in the living room and wind up in the hat dance. Say what you will about Michigan or ND- but they are in more populous states and they have this ability. Auburn does not.
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It’s a really tough out.
There aren’t even 5 million people in a state that they are little brother in. Alabama is the dominant program in-state and for the last decade plus with Saban they have been the dominant program nationally- which just makes it harder on Auburn.
Not sure Auburn is the type of school that can go into any state in the nation and get in the living room and wind up in the hat dance. Say what you will about Michigan or ND- but they are in more populous states and they have this ability. Auburn does not.
Just depends on how willing Auburn's bag men are to "play ball."
We don't know what Auburn paid for Cam Newton, we only know that the LOSING bid was $180,000.
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The population of Georgia is under 4 million.
Really.
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Just depends on how willing Auburn's bag men are to "play ball."
We don't know what Auburn paid for Cam Newton, we only know that the LOSING bid was $180,000.
Cam was a 5* QB recruit out of Georgia that signed with Urban Meyer and Florida out of high school.
Cam only wound up at Auburn because he got kicked off the team by Meyer and out of school by UF and had to transfer to JUCO. Auburn just so happens to be like the king of JUCO. Half their entire freaking team consists of the JUCO ranks.
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The population of Georgia is under 4 million.
Really.
What?
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What?
Covid hit the state hard
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What?
If you take away Atlanta, GA is right around 4 mil.
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Georgia the country has a population just under 4 million.
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Cam only wound up at Auburn because he got kicked off the team by Meyer and out of school by UF and had to transfer to JUCO. Auburn just so happens to be like the king of JUCO. Half their entire freaking team consists of the JUCO ranks.
well, there was this other little reason, but Cam didn't know about it.
You'd have to ask his Father
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It’s a really tough out.
There aren’t even 5 million people in a state that they are little brother in. Alabama is the dominant program in-state and for the last decade plus with Saban they have been the dominant program nationally- which just makes it harder on Auburn.
Not sure Auburn is the type of school that can go into any state in the nation and get in the living room and wind up in the hat dance. Say what you will about Michigan or ND- but they are in more populous states and they have this ability. Auburn does not.
They were top 10 in composite talent in 2015, 2016 and 2017. Like No. 7, I think.
The school is functionally in Georgia and can pull talent from Florida. And their boosters are crazy and pay well.
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Auburn hasn't had a talent problem in over 40 years. There's plenty of talent to go around. And it's strange, but Bama being the best has actually made Auburn better.
In the Saban era, Auburn has the best win% vs the Tide. LSU has definitely been a better program, but has 4 wins vs Bama compared to AU's 5 (an in an extra game).
The rest of Bama's annual SEC foes? 4-56.
4-56 for Ole Miss, Miss St, Arkansas, A&M, and Tennessee.
4-10 is what LSU has managed.
5-8......the 'Barn.
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Auburn has been better during the unstoppable Tide era because it's had to. It's their rival. They've fared the best because they're closest to the giant. They've risen to fill that role.
It's interesting.
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And they ditch their HC.
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did Gus do something stupid that we aren't aware of?
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did Gus do something stupid that we aren't aware of?
He was stupid enough to take a job that allowed his success to be measured against Saban’s.
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see, we're all aware of that
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did Gus do something stupid that we aren't aware of?
He let his offense fall off, despite having a bunch of good seeming talent.
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He got a 21.7 million dollar buyout. That's not stupid.
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He got a 21.7 million dollar buyout. That's not stupid.
Well, not on his part anyway...
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Maybe the teacher shortage will be severe enough so that I could orchestrate a buy-out.
Step 2 would be difficult: be so bad at the job that they want you gone.
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He let his offense fall off, despite having a bunch of good seeming talent.
we all see this as well
I'm talking about something such as night putting with the Dean's daughter
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Probably is the worst year to go looking for a new coach, given the circumstances. Which is why I'm guessing Harbaugh and especially Tom Herman still have their gigs. Their schools know better than to think they can come up with anything better. I'm not sure what Auburn is thinking. The Tigers are in good enough shape to wait another year if they really wanted Mahlzan gone. Same goes for Illinois - what are they thinking? Lovie has had the Illini trendy steadily upward until this year with COVID more to blame for their 2-5 W/L record.
One school in this "knows better category" is USC, whose AD couldn't be happier for Clay Helton to be 5-0 going into this Friday's Pac 12 Championship Vs Wash...Oregon. Mike Bohn(head) really doesn't want to have to go coach-searching given: A) the COVID budget crunch and B) the inability to meet fans winning expectations (Meyer or bust nonsense) with the School President's (Carol Folt) political expectations.
Heading into this season Helton's buyout was upwards of $20Mil, which was the greatest case against firing him at the end of last year's 8-4 regular season. For three years now SC's diehards have actively campaigned for Helton's firing and Helton in turn has barely managed to scrape by with the powers that be. This season turned out to be the gift he and Bohn(head) needed when it came to scaling back a schedule featuring #1 Alabama and #2 Notre Dame (certain beat downs) to, as of now, five opponents whose W/L records total 6-14.
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USC AD didn’t have the money or booster support before the covid crisis to pay a massive buyout- and the powers that be at the school really don’t give a shit about football. As long as Clay Helton graduates players, runs a clean program and is a stand up guy and he wins 9 or so games a year, he’ll never get fired.
It’s perhaps the strangest and poorest of the bluebloods.
People forget Pete Carroll was literally like USC’s 5th choice. They went after 4 other coaches and got turned down by them all before they settled on Carroll.
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Not a big time P5 job but South Alabama filled its vacancy with Indiana DC Kane Wommack.
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Not a big time P5 job but South Alabama filled its vacancy with Indiana DC Kane Wommack.
I REALLY want Michigan to hire Nick Sheridan and Mike Hart from Indiana. Like REALLY badly.
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Illinois interviewed Bret Bielema on Monday. Also looking at Lance Leipold.
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So, Bret Bielema is back in the B1G.
Champaign, here he comes.
The other finalist was Lance Leipold. I think they picked the wrong guy.
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maybe picked the wrong guy, but it'll be more fun the have Bert back
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Nice!
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Illinois interviewed Bret Bielema on Monday. Also looking at Lance Leipold.
You could have this coach who just wins, or this guy who can be a problem child. I stand by my option thoughts.
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maybe picked the wrong guy, but it'll be more fun the have Bert back
He's a talker that one. He actually built like one awesome defense and two super good offenses in Arkansas. He could never match them and ended up with Harbaugh-style teams that lost close games and were stronger than their record. And then the bottom fell out.
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I think Illinois screwed the pooch here.
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Nice!
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Saw this on a Buckeye Board about 10yrs back.Think it was from Beavis & Butthead
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I think Illinois screwed the pooch here.
Leipold had Buffalo at 5-1,he should be getting his shot.perhaps better he got passed over there
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I'd be excited if Arizona gives Nakairuntheoption a try.
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He's a talker that one. He actually built like one awesome defense and two super good offenses in Arkansas. He could never match them and ended up with Harbaugh-style teams that lost close games and were stronger than their record. And then the bottom fell out.
7-5 at Illinois will keep him going for a while, if he reaches that apex. Actually, Illinois used to reach the Rose Bowl every decade while otherwise having moribund teams, and that might be achieved, too, but it won't keep him in the job long term.
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Not a big time P5 job but South Alabama filled its vacancy with Indiana DC Kane Wommack.
That's too bad. Indiana needs him, and Indiana DC is better than S. Alabama HC - my opinion - which is cheap.
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I just don't know if Bert has the right mindset for a school like Illinois. Obviously we know what system he was working with at Wisconsin. As far as I could tell, he tried to replicate that at Arkansas... Big burly OL, power running game, etc. Admittedly I didn't pay close attention.
Can he make that work at Illinois? I don't think so... Too much have-not at Illinois.
Can he change his coaching style to suit? I also don't know...
I worry he's hardheaded enough to try and jam a square peg in a round hole...
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Big burly OL, power running game, etc.
Can he make that work at Illinois?
I think that can work at Illinois.
Certainly aren't going to get QBs and WRs there.
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7-5 at Illinois will keep him going for a while, if he reaches that apex. Actually, Illinois used to reach the Rose Bowl every decade while otherwise having moribund teams, and that might be achieved, too, but it won't keep him in the job long term.
Yeah, he's just gotta get there. Beckman got close, but then he did something untoward.
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That could be Bill Belichick on the left - who hired Bert for a spell
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Former Husker head coach Bo Pelini is reportedly out after one season as defensive coordinator at LSU, as is safeties coach Bill Busch.
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Former Husker head coach Bo Pelini is reportedly out after one season as defensive coordinator at LSU, as is safeties coach Bill Busch.
Now where does he go? He is knowledgeable about football, but I wouldn't want to work with him.
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Back to the Yo? :098:
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the Boilers are looking for a D-coordinator
perhaps Bert at Illinois is looking to fill his defensive staff?
Maybe Bo just coaches D-backs?
Gotta be some high schools looking
maybe Bo could tighten up the defense at Florida or Bama after that showing last Saturday night?
he could easily hide in the Big 12
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Tenn apparently is keeping Pruitt.
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LSU O-coordinator retiring
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He may be aiming for an NFL HC gig, but if I'm a decent college program, I'm calling Joe Brady and making him turn me down.
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like Michigan??
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Don Brown canned at Michigan
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Probably a useless gesture in the grand scheme of things, but it was probably either Harbs make a move, or the move be made for him. He'd better come through with a big 2021 or he's toast.
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Independent of him, does the roster have a big season in it?
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like Michigan??
UM, Auburn, Tennessee, Texas,...
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looks like most signs are pointing to Hugh Freeze going to the Plains.
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As many have noted, firing a guy this year is a bit of a hard luck thing for many of them.
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You can't get more smarmy than a guy who had recruiting violations, cheated on his wife, then sought sanctuary at a religious school. Have fun with that, other-other Tigers.
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Hugh should have been banned for life. I'm all about second/third chances mostly, but for that guy, no. Just NO.
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Independent of him, does the roster have a big season in it?
I think this was referring to Michigan. If so, it should at least be close. I posted recruiting rankings in another thread but here are Michigan's class rankings for 2017-2020 (s/b 5th, 4th, 3rd, and 2nd year in 2021):
- 5th in 2017, 5th year seniors in 2021
- 22nd in 2018, 4th year in 2021
- 8th in 2019, 3rd year in 2021
- 14th in 2020, 2nd year in 2020
The 2021 rankings aren't complete yet but Michigan is currently 12th in 247's rankings with a 5*, 10 4*, and 9 3* recruits.
Those rankings don't necessarily scream "NC" but they also don't rule it out. They make Michigan easily #2 in the B1G behind only the Buckeyes. It certainly isn't impossible to imagine tOSU taking a bit of a step back post-Fields so it shouldn't be impossible for Michigan to make a run in 2021.
OTOH, they've been easily #2 in recruiting in the B1G for a LONG time but it has been more than a decade and a half since their last league title. Ohio State has obviously sucked most of the oxygen out of the room in that time (10 titles) but Penn State, Wisconsin, and "little brother" Michigan State have three each. Based on recruiting, it makes sense that the Wolverines trail the Buckeyes but not by THAT much and they shouldn't be trailing PSU let alone MSU and UW.
Part of addressing your question should be to define "big season". Indiana's 2020 is a "big season" for Indiana but Indiana is a school that has two B1G titles in their history so "just short" of a league title is a "big season" there. Here we are talking about Michigan. They have more NC's than IU has league titles so the bar is a bit higher. I would think "big season" at Michigan means AT LEAST a league title but an exception *MIGHT* be made if tOSU is all-time great and they come up a little short in THE GAME. However, die-hard Michigan fans are never going to accept that as the "ceiling", obviously. At an absolute minimum I would think they have to be Ohio State's main competition. Ie, another loss to tOSU *MIGHT* be acceptable if it is the ONLY loss and the team at least goes into the final weekend as a playoff contender.
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Auburn going with Bryan Harsin of Boise St. Surprising...
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Hugh should have been banned for life. I'm all about second/third chances mostly, but for that guy, no. Just NO.
Ya!Crafting a fatherly image in front of the people/press and breaking/ignoring the rules faster than an inner city Pimp behind the scenes
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Wasn't he ordering up prostitutes on the company phone? Or was that someone else?
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Praising the lord and handing out hussies
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Wasn't he ordering up prostitutes on the company phone? Or was that someone else?
He just wanted to talk to them and preach the gospel. He was trying to save their souls! Why else would he be calling prostitutes?
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He just wanted to talk to them and preach the gospel. He was trying to save their souls! Why else would he be calling prostitutes?
They may have well already been on the speed-dial at Liberty, considering who's been running that joint.
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Auburn going with Bryan Harsin of Boise St. Surprising...
I don't think that's gonna work out.
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Auburn going with Bryan Harsin of Boise St. Surprising...
It will be the 2nd time he has succeeded Gus Malzahn.
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He just wanted to talk to them and preach the gospel. He was trying to save their souls! Why else would he be calling prostitutes?
Exactly,Ne'er Do Wells such as we here can never grasp the obvious
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I don't think that's gonna work out.
How do we define working out? Is it giving auburn fans are they actually want? Is it posting a record somewhat similar to Gus?
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How do we define working out? Is it giving auburn fans are they actually want? Is it posting a record somewhat similar to Gus?
I see it working similarly to how another West Coaster worked out in Madison.
Culture shock.
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My rough guess is maybe 16.667% of coaching changes for P5 schools are clear upgrades, about that many are clear downgrades (which is tough to do), and the rest are meh, an upgrade over a bad time but not what fans really wanted.
I have a notion Orgeron will be fired within 8 years. I like how Arkansas looked this year, and UNC to boot. I would watch UNC pre-Mack Brown and they looked awful on defense, bad tackling everywhere. Now they look like a team. Major upgrade I think. Arky is close. Pruitt at Tenn is meh, which is bad because he inherited a bad situation. UK is doing fairly well for UK. Florida has an upgrade but Muschamp was bad.
Rutgers looks like an upgrade I think, maybe Maryland. I can't think of Day as an upgrade. Fickle looks like an upgrade finger of fate like.
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How do we define working out? Is it giving auburn fans are they actually want? Is it posting a record somewhat similar to Gus?
If anyone even remotely tied to the Auburn program is wanting/expecting more than 3 wins over Saban's Alabama in 8 years is stone cold fuk nuts and needs to be put in an asylum.
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If anyone even remotely tied to the Auburn program is wanting/expecting more than 3 wins over Saban's Alabama in 8 years is stone cold fuk nuts and needs to be put in an asylum.
Sure. But eight years is more than going three and five.
Two of the teams that beat Bama lost four games. The five that didn’t averaged five losses. So we still find ourselves trying to figure out what is working out for him.
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I see it working similarly to how another West Coaster worked out in Madison.
Culture shock.
He’s going to try to lower the academic standards at Auburn?
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Heh.
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I was musing about the number of programs that have national championship aspirations, serious ones. I'm not sure how large the list it of course, but it's over 20, probably over 30. You could take the Blue Bloods and Near BBs to start, and perhaps some short of that list, a few G5s, UCF already claimed one. Maybe Coastal Carolina would have joined that dubious duo except ...
ACC - Clemson, FSU, Miami .....
B1G - OSU, UM, Wisconsin, PSU ...
SEC - Dang near the whole kaboodle except Vandy
UGA Bama Auburn, LSU A&M UF Tenn Arky? ...Mizzou? ...
Pac
USC UCLA UW Oregon ... Utah?
B12 Texas OU ...
G5 BSU? Eastern Michigan? UCF? Liberty ????
Over 20 anyway.
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If anyone even remotely tied to the Auburn program is wanting/expecting more than 3 wins over Saban's Alabama in 8 years is stone cold fuk nuts and needs to be put in an asylum.
I agree with that,I'm guessing Auburn thinks putting a new face out there will rope in interest/recruiting.The guy can coach
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I was musing about the number of programs that have national championship aspirations, serious ones. I'm not sure how large the list it of course, but it's over 20, probably over 30. You could take the Blue Bloods and Near BBs to start, and perhaps some short of that list, a few G5s, UCF already claimed one. Maybe Coastal Carolina would have joined that dubious duo except ...
ACC - Clemson, FSU, Miami .....
B1G - OSU, UM, Wisconsin, PSU ...
SEC - Dang near the whole kaboodle except Vandy
UGA Bama Auburn, LSU A&M UF Tenn Arky? ...Mizzou? ...
Pac
USC UCLA UW Oregon ... Utah?
B12 Texas OU ...
G5 BSU? Eastern Michigan? UCF? Liberty ????
Over 20 anyway.
You forgot ND in the G5.
I wouldn't put Wisconsin in that group. They don't recruit well enough and can't get many of the blue chips past admissions.
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I mean he has EMU as his top G5 over Cincinnati and BYU. Not exactly scientific here.
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Michigan State made the playoffs unlike most of those teams.
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Well looks like Tom Herman is out at Texas after all
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And the rumor is Sark? Lone Star beer stock just went up
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Wow.
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And the rumor is Sark? Lone Star beer stock just went up
Wow how unrealistic are the Longhorns? Arguably for canning Tom Herman given his buyout and the lack of quality candidates during a unique year. But Undoubtedly for replacing him with Sarkisian, a known (poor) quantity. Plateaus at Washington, USC, but I guess his offenses look good enough at Bama, when they couldn't possibly look bad with the amount of overwhelming talent on display?
Texas fans still have time to revolt against the hire much like Tennessee fans did against the potential hiring of Greg Schiano.
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Texas fans still have time to revolt against the hire much like Tennessee fans did against the potential hiring of Greg Schiano.
Lol no doubt a decision they never regretted not even a bit
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Mensa boy had to go. But to can him for Sark would only be a downgrade.
Sark has proven at two stops he’s a mediocre head coach. He’s a good co-ordinator. Bad head coach. Not everyone is cut out to be a head coach. Would be a disastrous hire if Texas did that.
I might be tempted to go after Brian Hartline if I was an AD. I know he’ll be able to recruit lights out and I think HC is definitely in his future. Might be a little to early and too big a stage to take a plunge on him- but I’d be tempted. For sure.
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better to take a chance on a guy than to hire a guy that has been given a couple chances and proven he isn't worthy
same old deal, why fire a guy if you don't have someone better lined up?
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Wow how unrealistic are the Longhorns? Arguably for canning Tom Herman given his buyout and the lack of quality candidates during a unique year. But Undoubtedly for replacing him with Sarkisian, a known (poor) quantity. Plateaus at Washington, USC, but I guess his offenses look good enough at Bama, when they couldn't possibly look bad with the amount of overwhelming talent on display?
Texas fans still have time to revolt against the hire much like Tennessee fans did against the potential hiring of Greg Schiano.
Well Schiano turned it around,pretty Pete was pedestrian before becoming a Trojan.So it might work
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Sark was awful. Peterson played him like a Stradivarius; turned down the USC job so that they would offer it to Sark, which would open up the UDub gig that he was actually after. Then Sark was promptly dismissed at USC for being drunk on the job.
That would be hilarious if true. Major downgrade from Herman.
Meanwhile, Herman played Texas like a rusty trombone. O0
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so, if Sark turns down the job, Texas had no plan.
if Mack Brown beats the Aggies, does Mack get an offer to come home?
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They could always hire Mike Riley. Or Gary Andersen.
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He also proclaimed the dribbling Dabos would wax the Luckeyes...Again
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We're shitting on someone for picking the 7 point favorite to win now?
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Doesn't a program like Tennessee ditch their HC and go after Tom Herman? A guy they couldn't have gotten before, but probably could now?
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It's official(CBS Radio) Sark named Horns Head Coach - Hook'em
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It's official(CBS Radio) Sark named Horns Head Coach - Hook'em
Wow. Texas just set themselves back even further.
I don’t understand how they wouldn’t go all in for Matt Campbell- but would hire Sark. Campbell is drilling PAC 12 champs Oregon right now.
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We're shitting on someone for picking the 7 point favorite to win now?
Excuse me you shit on others here for a lot less.He's 0-2 this week end on proclamations forgive me for noticing
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Herman was 4-0 in Bowls,he'll find work
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Herman was 4-0 in Bowls,he'll find work
He wouldn’t be a bad OC for any time. He’s just not elite HC material. No shame in that. Few are.
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Wow. Texas just set themselves back even further.
I don’t understand how they wouldn’t go all in for Matt Campbell- but would hire Sark. Campbell is drilling PAC 12 champs Oregon right now.
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the PAC always seems weak to me
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Mensa boy had to go. But to can him for Sark would only be a downgrade.
Sark has proven at two stops he’s a mediocre head coach. He’s a good co-ordinator. Bad head coach. Not everyone is cut out to be a head coach. Would be a disastrous hire if Texas did that.
I might be tempted to go after Brian Hartline if I was an AD. I know he’ll be able to recruit lights out and I think HC is definitely in his future. Might be a little to early and too big a stage to take a plunge on him- but I’d be tempted. For sure.
I don't love this hire. Nothing I can do about it though. Sucking sucks.
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I don't love this hire. Nothing I can do about it though. Sucking sucks.
I dont like this pick either
His record as head coach isnt that good
He was canned at USC mid season
I think we could have done better then this
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Mack Brown is a better choice imo
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Or Tom Herman.
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Mack Brown is a better choice imo
actually he would
we traded an average HC for a below average HC and paid $15M to do it
What did it take to get Tom Herman out of Austin? A buyout of approximately $15.4 million for him and including the rest of the staff, a total of $24 million. Texas will also have to pay another buyout to get its new coach.
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Hey, at least you didn't get turned down by 19 other guys first....
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Hey, at least you didn't get turned down by 19 other guys first....
True. When you go straight to the bottom immediately, you're sure to get your man.
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actually he would
we traded an average HC for a below average HC and paid $15M to do it
What did it take to get Tom Herman out of Austin? A buyout of approximately $15.4 million for him and including the rest of the staff, a total of $24 million. Texas will also have to pay another buyout to get its new coach.
luckily, even in a pandemic year, money is readily available
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luckily, even in a pandemic year, money is readily available
A lot of rich folks are making even more money than usual for various reasons, during the pandemic.
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the rich get richer
btw, no sign of my stimulus check
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the rich get richer
btw, no sign of my stimulus check
I still dont have last year's stimulus check $2,400 for my wife and me
I'll have to claim it on my 2020 Tax return
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I got last year's and it was doubled for my dependent daughter
therefore, she didn't get one. She was in college and out of work. I sent her mine and her's.
I'll do that again this time. She starts her full-time job tomorrow, but she still needs it more than I do.
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I got last year's and it was doubled for my dependent daughter
therefore, she didn't get one. She was in college and out of work. I sent her mine and her's.
I'll do that again this time. She starts her full-time job tomorrow, but she still needs it more than I do.
I got the letter telling me and my wife to expect a debit card or a check and we never got anything.
Its possible it was stolen. Our postman has been looking very happy lately.
anyway I can claim it on my tax return and hopefully get paid. It will be interesting to see what happens to this years stimulus money.
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I've heard from a couple folks that it looked like junk mail and was discarded
they called and had another check issued
mine was direct deposit - I assume it will be the same this time
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I've heard from a couple folks that it looked like junk mail and was discarded
they called and had another check issued
mine was direct deposit - I assume it will be the same this time
thats possible
I never was successful at calling anybody so I'll just wait for my return
I cant be the only one this has happened to
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actually he would
we traded an average HC for a below average HC and paid $15M to do it
What did it take to get Tom Herman out of Austin? A buyout of approximately $15.4 million for him and including the rest of the staff, a total of $24 million. Texas will also have to pay another buyout to get its new coach.
With the amount of money exchanging hands for buyouts at Auburn and Texas there's got to be something going on behind the scenes that we just don't see. Does Texas have an impatient billionaire or two on hand to cough up this amount of cash?
It's the best explanation for what is essentially a rash business decision in two parts - firing Herman given his buyout & going on to hire such a mediocre fill-in, Sark.
I guess somebody with enough money had enough with the sputtering Texas offense and demanded to look like Bama's offense without apparently realizing that Sark isn't going to bring an ounce of Bama's talent advantage with him? Even when Sark has the talent advantage (he does recruit well), which he did for most of his games at Washington and USC, he only attained 34-29 and 12-6 W/L records respectively.
To a lesser extent I blame the "Saban effect" in terms of too many ADs/GMs thinking they are just one hire away from getting what Bama has/New England had. Or to put it this way, too many ADs/GMs think they can get their own personal Saban/Belichick if they hire one of their assistants.
To a more immediate extent, my hunch is that those in Austin are spooked by Jimbo turning the corner in Aggie land, which - given this was the one proud season in College Station - is another overreaction. TX A&M paid whatever it took to bring in a big name and now Texas wants to act like it's doing the same thing. Except, Sark.
tl;dr: there's a lot of recklessness at the top of college football
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With the amount of money exchanging hands for buyouts at Auburn and Texas there's got to be something going on behind the scenes that we just don't see. Does Texas have an impatient billionaire or two on hand to cough up this amount of cash?
It's the best explanation for what is essentially a rash business decision in two parts - firing Herman given his buyout & going on to hire such a mediocre fill-in, Sark.
I guess somebody with enough money had enough with the sputtering Texas offense and demanded to look like Bama's offense without apparently realizing that Sark isn't going to bring an ounce of Bama's talent advantage with him? Even when Sark has the talent advantage (he does recruit well), which he did for most of his games at Washington and USC, he only attained 34-29 and 12-6 W/L records respectively.
To a lesser extent I blame the "Saban effect" in terms of too many ADs/GMs thinking they are just one hire away from getting what Bama has/New England had. Or to put it this way, too many ADs/GMs think they can get their own personal Saban/Belichick if they hire one of their assistants.
To a more immediate extent, my hunch is that those in Austin are spooked by Jimbo turning the corner in Aggie land, which - given this was the one proud season in College Station - is another overreaction. TX A&M paid whatever it took to bring in a big name and now Texas wants to act like it's doing the same thing. Except, Sark.
tl;dr: there's a lot of recklessness at the top of college football
Money has never been a problem at UT
Stupidity has
I just dont understand why the Board went the way it did
Its almost as if our AD has another agenda
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some of those Longhorn boosters of substance spill that much in a month or two
besides, it's a tax write-off
probably at about 80%
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some of those Longhorn boosters of substance spill that much in a month or two
besides, it's a tax write-off
probably at about 80%
This is something I only recently learned of - that Scrooge McDuck can singlehandedly pay Malzahn $2X,000,000 to go away and somehow count it as a tax deduction.
And that raises the question of how? Can anybody answer whether they were able to claim this for tax purposes because it counts as donation to the UNIVERSITY? How, I ask; aren't Athletic Departments financially separate from the University? Or are Athletic Departments somehow considered non-profits? As far as I know, Athletic Departments are not financially or business-wise connected to their Universities, correct?
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Still in a bit of disbelief that Texas just did this. I’d 100% rather just keep Herman and see how he does in 2021 if I was a UT fan. Sark has end in disaster potential imo.
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Programs keep gobbling up Saban assistants and they're still winless against him. As Catsby said, they're not bringing a bunch of 5* kids with them.
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This is something I only recently learned of - that Scrooge McDuck can singlehandedly pay Malzahn $2X,000,000 to go away and somehow count it as a tax deduction.
And that raises the question of how? Can anybody answer whether they were able to claim this for tax purposes because it counts as donation to the UNIVERSITY? How, I ask; aren't Athletic Departments financially separate from the University? Or are Athletic Departments somehow considered non-profits? As far as I know, Athletic Departments are not financially or business-wise connected to their Universities, correct?
Athletic departments are not separate from the university. And giving the money totally counts as a donation.
One of the reasons that OSU (2nd largest athletic revenue) always works really hard to be at zero profit or even in the red.
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With the amount of money exchanging hands for buyouts at Auburn and Texas there's got to be something going on behind the scenes that we just don't see. Does Texas have an impatient billionaire or two on hand to cough up this amount of cash?
It's the best explanation for what is essentially a rash business decision in two parts - firing Herman given his buyout & going on to hire such a mediocre fill-in, Sark.
I guess somebody with enough money had enough with the sputtering Texas offense and demanded to look like Bama's offense without apparently realizing that Sark isn't going to bring an ounce of Bama's talent advantage with him? Even when Sark has the talent advantage (he does recruit well), which he did for most of his games at Washington and USC, he only attained 34-29 and 12-6 W/L records respectively.
To a lesser extent I blame the "Saban effect" in terms of too many ADs/GMs thinking they are just one hire away from getting what Bama has/New England had. Or to put it this way, too many ADs/GMs think they can get their own personal Saban/Belichick if they hire one of their assistants.
To a more immediate extent, my hunch is that those in Austin are spooked by Jimbo turning the corner in Aggie land, which - given this was the one proud season in College Station - is another overreaction. TX A&M paid whatever it took to bring in a big name and now Texas wants to act like it's doing the same thing. Except, Sark.
tl;dr: there's a lot of recklessness at the top of college football
As a standalone decision, I don't have a problem with firing Herman. He's 1-4 against OU. That kind of record is going to get any head coach fired at Texas, in any era.
The problem is, if you're going to fire Herman, you need to hire someone better than Herman. There's no evidence that happened, and arguably Sark is actually worse than Herman.
i don't think there's any "Saban effect" occurring at Texas. There's a problem that's much closer to home-- constantly losing to OU and watching them win the conference over and over again, while Texas steps on its own dick and screws up time and time again. Right or wrong, what's happening in Norman is driving the decision-making at Texas, not what's happening in Tuscaloosa.
Jimbo and the ags might have something to do with it, but everyone in Texas also understands they had a senior-laden team and this was going to be "their year" to make a run at a championship. They didn't get one, and next year they look to take a pretty big step back.
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I wonder if Auburn is regretting filling its vacancy already.
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A lot of rich folks are making even more money than usual for various reasons, during the pandemic.
Selling their stocks after getting tipped off,which is illegal but evidently doesn't apply to members of congress
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I got last year's and it was doubled for my dependent daughter
therefore, she didn't get one. She was in college and out of work. I sent her mine and her's.
I'll do that again this time. She starts her full-time job tomorrow, but she still needs it more than I do.
I'll take mine and go find Chris 60's wagering friend
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Selling their stocks after getting tipped off,which is illegal but evidently doesn't apply to members of congress
shut the front door
yer supposed to have moved on and forgotten about that by now. Like all other congressional crimes worthy of a prison sentence
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Grabbing the torches/pitchforks and rounding up a Posse.(Don't wanna mention fire arms on a public forum......or scopes)
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This won’t get national attention but a lot of people here in WV are taken aback to hear Marshall won’t be renewing the contract of HC Doc Holliday. In 11 seasons he was 85-54 and took MU to a bowl in 8 of his 11 years there, including this year’s 7-3 campaign.
A lot of rumors flying that our billionaire governor who is a donor to both WVU and MU had a heavy say in this decision. Also a rumor swirling that Marshall had a big brawl in its locker room right before its bowl game this year and that might be playing a part, too.
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This won’t get national attention but a lot of people here in WV are taken aback to hear Marshall won’t be renewing the contract of HC Doc Holliday. In 11 seasons he was 85-54 and took MU to a bowl in 8 of his 11 years there, including this year’s 7-3 campaign.
A lot of rumors flying that our billionaire governor who is a donor to both WVU and MU had a heavy say in this decision. Also a rumor swirling that Marshall had a big brawl in its locker room right before its bowl game this year and that might be playing a part, too.
Gotta say that is one of the weirdest stories in college football
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I can’t help but wonder if something happened at Marshall that people aren’t aware of. They were 7-0, ranked in the top 20, and averaging over 37 PPG. Then out of nowhere they lost to a mediocre Rice team 20-0 at home. My neighbor is a big MU fan and I remember asking him about it and he was just bewildered by it. Said it was a completely different team than he had seen the first 7 games.
They followed that up with disappointing 22-13 loss at home in the CUSA CCG where their Freshman QB who had been having a great season was benched for a while. Then they lost 17-10 to Buffalo in the bowl game. A team that had averaged over 37 PPG its first 7 games scored a total of 23 in its last 3. That’s a hell of a drop off.
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Maybe JH will bring him aboard in AA
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I can’t help but wonder if something happened at Marshall that people aren’t aware of.
smells fishy