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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: MaximumSam on November 28, 2020, 06:18:21 AM
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Welp, no Ohio State today. I guess I'm looking forward to the mega Michigan Penn State game. Also cooking Thanksgiving food today. Trying to solve the Rubik's cube of how I will bake like 6 dishes and everything be ready at the same time. Into the breach I go...
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So what's on tap today?
Noon gives us not just Michigan-PSU, but also Indiana-Maryland. If OSU gets bounced out of the title game, the winner of this game could be your B1G East rep. The 3:30 slot gives us Pitt-Clemson and the Iron Bowl, both of which have a bit of upset juice in them. The evening slate not worth a lot.
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Progress report. I've peeled the sweet potatoes. They are sitting in hot water, the theory being they get sweeter that way. I don't really love sweet potatoes, so not sure if that's hogwash or not.
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Trying to solve the Rubik's cube of how I will bake like 6 dishes and everything be ready at the same time. Into the breach I go...
That's why I don't do most of the cooking - but I don't complain either,unless it's grits or okra
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Progress report. I've peeled the sweet potatoes. They are sitting in hot water, the theory being they get sweeter that way. I don't really love sweet potatoes, so not sure if that's hogwash or not.
Check with Test Kitchen or Alrton Brown or the guy from Serious Eats
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Well it does help remove starches. If you were to fry them, this would be a must step. Don't know if it enhances sweetness.
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It was Serious Eats that recommended it. Not being someone who eats a lot of sweet potatoes, not sure whether I'll notice.
In any event getting the gravy together.
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For dinner, I'm planning on a melange of cut up chicken breasts with onions, mushrooms, garlic, green onions added late, and a LOT of curry powder.
Curry is a variety of dishes originating in the Indian subcontinent (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_subcontinent) that use a complex combination of spices or herbs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spice_mix), usually including ground turmeric (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turmeric), cumin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumin), coriander (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriander), ginger (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginger), and fresh or dried chilies (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chili_pepper). In southern India, where the word originated, curry leaves, from the curry tree (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curry_tree), are also an integral ingredient.[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curry#cite_note-1) Curry is generally prepared in a sauce.[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curry#cite_note-2)
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Gonna spend most of the day putting up Christmas decorations.
But I'll take a break tonight to watch the ags-lsu game.
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So if Ohio State has another game canceled it would eliminate them from the championship game? Hmm.
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The MSU game is already cancelled, according to "Herbie"
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The MSU game is already cancelled, according to "Herbie"
the timing of the positives makes it hard not to think that the MSU game could be played. Albeit they could most likely win with a 60 man squad
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Welp, no Ohio State today. I guess I'm looking forward to the mega Michigan Penn State game. Also cooking Thanksgiving food today. Trying to solve the Rubik's cube of how I will bake like 6 dishes and everything be ready at the same time. Into the breach I go...
I did my first this year, and was surprised how well times it was.
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Ummm, ok, which one of you did this?
https://spartanswire.usatoday.com/2020/11/27/look-former-msu-qb-brian-lewerke-miss-him-yet-billboards-appear-in-kalamazoo/
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In any event getting the gravy together.
Make sure put the liver/heart/gizzard/neck in the bottom of the pan,used chicken broth /butter and basted every 1/2 hr.14 lb bird came out in over 4 hrs but worth it - best gravy ever
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Make sure put the liver/heart/gizzard/neck in the bottom of the pan,used chicken broth /butter and basted every 1/2 hr.14 lb bird came out in over 4 hrs but worth it - best gravy ever
I browned the goodies along with the neck and spine, along with some onions, celery, and carrot, then simmered everything in chicken broth for a couple hours.
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So Penn St definitely collects their first win today... don't they?
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So Penn St definitely collects their first win today... don't they?
I think so. They need a win in the worst way. Probably more so than Michigan.
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Ummm, ok, which one of you did this?
https://spartanswire.usatoday.com/2020/11/27/look-former-msu-qb-brian-lewerke-miss-him-yet-billboards-appear-in-kalamazoo/
wonder if Brian paid to have them put up?
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Ah great, replay. My favorite thing.
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It’s really hard to watch just how bad Michigan’s defense is. There is no way you can keep Don Brown if you’re Jim Harbaugh and you want to right the ship.
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So Penn St definitely collects their first win today... don't they?
I think so
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Ah great, replay. My favorite thing.
I thought Michigan got screwed on the reversal of the scoop and score
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I thought Michigan got screwed on the reversal of the scoop and score
My rule for replay is you get to rewatch the play one time at normal speed. If that doesn't change your mind, then the play stands.
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nah, if that's the case, just don't have reply
but slowing it down it wasn't clear that the QBs knee ever touched the ground, perhaps the side of his calf. perhaps.
not enough to overturn the call on the field
I'm all for replay overturning truly bad incorrect calls.
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Michigan’s coaching staff is awful. Does Harbaugh even care anymore?
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nah, if that's the case, just don't have reply
but slowing it down it wasn't clear that the QBs knee ever touched the ground, perhaps the side of his calf. perhaps.
not enough to overturn the call on the field
I'm all for replay overturning truly bad incorrect calls.
I don't mind the idea of replay, to correct things that are clearly wrong. But it had devolved into that play. Slow it down to Zapruder film frames and then try to deduct what happened on every play. Why cheer for something that happens in the field when it doesn't officially happen until they take several long looks at it?
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Michigan’s coaching staff is awful. Does Harbaugh even care anymore?
Everybody is ripping on Don Brown, who's trending right now on the tweeters, but what about how crap Michigan's offense is. They look even worse!
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Michigan’s coaching staff is awful. Does Harbaugh even care anymore?
Did McCaffery quit because these guys were better or he just wanted to play under a different coach?
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Texas Tech takes a 3 point lead over Ok St and decides to try an onside kick. Ok St takes it back for a TD to retake the lead.
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Windiana, after evisceration OSU passing last week, has 84 yards passing today. Still up 17-3.
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Here's a coach
https://twitter.com/BryanDFischer/status/1332768797074354179?s=19
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In the last 5 minutes of real time, not game action, there has been a KO return for a TD, a pick 6, and a 75 yard TD run in the Ok St-TT game.
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12ving
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I wonder if Charbonnet transfers.
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12ving
Getting there. Remember: the losing team must score 40+ points. There are rules here!
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Wanna close contest,c'mom MAC
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Penn State's OL manhandled Michigan's DL on that last scoring drive. A 12 play, 75 yard, 5 minute touchdown drive and the Wolverine's front seven couldn't get a single push into Penn State's backfield. NOW I see why everybody is ripping Don Brown. 27-17 Penn State up.
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McNamara's 91 yards on 25 passes is something to behold.
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game over
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Penn State's OL manhandled Michigan's DL on that last scoring drive. A 12 play, 75 yard, 5 minute touchdown drive and the Wolverine's front seven couldn't get a single push into Penn State's backfield. NOW I see why everybody is ripping Don Brown. 27-17 Penn State up.
Watching Michigan's defense get its ass kicked in every game is somewhat shocking
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Here's a coach
https://twitter.com/BryanDFischer/status/1332768797074354179?s=19
385 yards 8 TD.
And he ran for 301 eleven days ago vs Bowling Green.
Illinois FB Howard Griffith's record is in jeopardy.
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Betwwen defections/under coaching/recruiting/covid Michigan has it's work cut out.Hands down the worse I've seen it in memory.The posters on M Forums have to be catatonic
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385 yards 8 TD.
And he ran for 301 eleven days ago vs Bowling Green.
They're showing film - the kid is quick - like they said Darren Sproles
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MSU offense is just nothing but deep balls. Fine
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Like a kid playing Madden.
Northwestern is in trouble...
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Does it count as a four wide set, when one of them is the backup ounter / third string tight end?
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MSU offense is just nothing but deep balls. Fine
One of my biggest theories is if your offense sucks, you should Chuck it downfield more. It's better to go three and out going deep than three and out throwing slants.
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yup, always a chance at a defensive penalty
and at least the safeties have to play deep
helps the run game
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Yeah, Ohio has five out of six teams in the Mac East, and they are all going to get Buffaloed.
To make matters worse, Toledo just got pantsed by Ball St.
Not a great time for the Buckeyes and Bearcats to both be inactive.
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There were two Ohio Mac teams that won today, but only because they played against other Ohio Mac teams.
Ohio took Bowling Green out behind the woodshed, while Miami also put a pretty good licking on Akron.
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MSUs #124 ranked run game, is absolutely slicing Northwestern up.
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McNamara's 91 yards on 25 passes is something to behold.
What is with your weird hard on for McNamara? It's weird. Seriously. Stats don't tell the entire story.
The kid clearly seriously injured his throwing shoulder late in the 1st QTR when he was 5 of 8 for 30 some odd yards- and had to come out of the game. He only went back into the game after Joe Milton came in and sucked ass (as usual) for a couple series- so they put a clearly injured McNamara right back in after it was clear Milton wasn't going to give them anything at all- and McNamara actually pulled himself early from that game on their final desperation drive because he couldn't throw the ball more than 20 yards downfield.
Not worried about McNamara. At all. He is the least of their worries. That patchwork OL that got McNamara's shoulder destroyed is atrocious- and Jim Harbaugh and Josh Gattis play-calling/scheming is like a match made in retard heaven. If either had any honor or dignity, they would both fire themselves effective immediately.
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And the passing game is carving them up.
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Mel Tucker trying to do a solid for OSU
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Watching Michigan's defense get its ass kicked in every game is somewhat shocking
This is what is so shocking and completely devastating to see from this program. We always knew the offense sucked. Harbaugh is an offensive retard. There is zero creativity or cutting edge to his offenses. Ever. It just is what it is.
Even when the offenses sucked- and they have for the most part his entire tenure- they always had really solid defenses against everyone save for Ohio State 2018 & 2019 games or that Penn State debacle in 2017. For the most part- their defenses have been very good to excellent against everyone.
To see their defense fall off the face of the earth and get their asses kicked by literally everyone is demoralizing. There is no way you can keep Don Brown. No way. Penn State was playing their 4th and 5th string RB's and just ran for almost 300. Rutgers just dropped almost 50 on that D last week. It is like WOW.
Don Brown has to go.
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Did McCaffery quit because these guys were better or he just wanted to play under a different coach?
No. McCaffrey left because the starting job was literally handed to Harbaugh's pet-project Milton. McCaffrey got sick, missed a few weeks, came back and was told the job was Milton's and he's the back-up. McCaffrey knew he was better than Milton- EVERYONE with a set of eye balls knew McCaffrey is LIGHT YEARS better than Milton- and McCaffrey knew it was a freaking joke that Milton was handed the job- so he left. Smart kid. He is too good to be playing for an offensively challenged moron like Jim Harbaugh.
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So the B1G West's best team is no match for the B1G East's worst team?
Hmm... Interesting...
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Penn State's OL manhandled Michigan's DL on that last scoring drive. A 12 play, 75 yard, 5 minute touchdown drive and the Wolverine's front seven couldn't get a single push into Penn State's backfield. NOW I see why everybody is ripping Don Brown. 27-17 Penn State up.
Penn State is also playing like their 4th and 5th string RB's and run for like 300 yards. Michigan's defense is worse than a joke. I don't even know what it is.
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Phantom call keeps Northwestern drive alive. Both lines playing better for MSU than they have all year
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MSU inspired, for some reason
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I wonder if Charbonnet transfers.
He'd be crazy not too transfer. He is too talented for this shit. He should go somewhere with a functional offense with a legitimate offensive coaching staff.
Michigan: where 5* and high 4* offensive skill players go to die. Charbonnet was just a 11 spots away from OMG FIVE STARZ status in the 247Composite. He was a big deal recruit out of Cali who dominated some of the toughest high school competition in the entire US.
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Phantom call keeps Northwestern drive alive. Both lines playing better for MSU than they have all year
Wildcats only get 3 from the gift, hopefully it doesn't matter.
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One of my biggest theories is if your offense sucks, you should Chuck it downfield more. It's better to go three and out going deep than three and out throwing slants.
This. All damn day. Harbaugh is a moron though that loves to do the latter.
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yup, always a chance at a defensive penalty
and at least the safeties have to play deep
helps the run game
THIS
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MSU inspired, for some reason
They were shut down for a couple weeks for case numbers during preseason camp. With no spring, these past two weeks due to the cancellation may have been the longest consecutive practice time this staff has had.
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This. All damn day. Harbaugh is a moron though that loves to do the latter.
The analytics say the same. It leads to a worse viewable product, much like jacking bad threes in basketball, and swinging for the fences in baseball, but the numbers say it's smart.
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The analytics say the same. It leads to a worse viewable product, much like jacking bad threes in basketball, and swinging for the fences in baseball, but the numbers say it's smart.
It is smart. It keeps DB's from cheating up to the LOS and there's always the very good chance you'll get some PI calls thrown your way. And if you throw a pick deep- it's just like a punt. Just make sure you don't let them return it for 6 if you do wind up throwing a pick.
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Wildcats only get 3 from the gift, hopefully it doesn't matter.
https://twitter.com/Wil__Hunter/status/1332799724022358016?s=19
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The zebras are keeping Sparty down.
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And now apparently it's pass interference, if you touch the receiver once he's already out of bounds, but being out of bounds is not a penalty and coming back in. I think the big 10 is starting to panic over what might happen if Northwestern loses this game
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Northwestern with a nice drive
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C'mon MSU that's sandlot crap,Mel might have an anuerysm
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https://twitter.com/Wil__Hunter/status/1332799724022358016?s=19
This determining the game is peak my 2020
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Cats down 17 take the lead with a lot of help from Sparty STs
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NU got lucky there
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lol, consecutive turnovers
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MSU special teams have been awful. Two shanked punts, missed FG, fair catch at the 4...
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MSU special teams have been awful. Two shanked punts, missed FG, fair catch at the 4...
sounds like Michigan's special teams. Is the MSU special teams coached by the head coaches son too?
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DeAngelo Groce won Ohio Defensive Mr. Football last year, but was undersized, and didn't get much attention. Seems like MSU found another Ohio gem.
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Damn Lombardi delivers and oops,SMDH.It's like watching the old Browns
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It appears that our freshman all American MAC transfer, is only good in the MAC
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Well don't faff this chance
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I'm sorry, Iowa is the King of the West. How the hell did Wisconsin lose to this team?
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Ya know I'd like to watch this game over,I've missed most putting up tree & decorations.It's not dull
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I'm sorry, Iowa is the King of the West. How the hell did Wisconsin lose to this team?
Covid
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I don't think NU or MSU want to win.
Speaking of special teams, though - Rutgers with a 100 yard kick return TD vs the Boilers.
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I'm sorry, Iowa is the King of the West. How the hell did Wisconsin lose to this team?
Cats doing what they do
shut out Nebraska, Iowa, and Wisconsin in the 2nd half
Sparty has 3 this half, gona need another score
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C'mon and GOOD!!!
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Pick - henderson,does Sparty smell blood?
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Good call-nice run by Lombardi,going to go under 2 minutes
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Mel trying to run the clock out
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Never a doubt MSU hangs an "L" on the leader of the west
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My power rankings are wack
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So what the gravy came out alright
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This is extremely screwed up. NU was en route to a possible appearance in the CF playoffs, especially with Ohio State falling to the virus today, and for how many more days we don't know.
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I'm sorry, Iowa is the King of the West. How the hell did Wisconsin lose to this team?
Iowa is King of the West, only if NU loses 2 more times, and only if Iowa defeats Illinois. (Provided Wisconsin does not play enough to qualify for the Big Ten Championship). Or, Iowa could be King of the West if NU catches COVID-19, and if Wisconsin does not play enough games to qualify.
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Michigan State was flat out impressive today. They reminded me of some of those tough MSU teams from a few years back.
This bodes well if the coaching staff can achieve this that quickly.
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So what the gravy came out alright
It sure did. I am full of stuffing and other stuff
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Michigan State was flat out impressive today.
Did you watch the Game HB?Saw most of the 4th and it was a comedy of errors(both sides) but a blast to watch
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My power rankings are wack
I just posted a thread for new Power Rankings and was thinking the same thing. MSU was formerly our obviously worst team while NU was King of the West and a concensus #2. One of the Michigan fans even voted them #1, LoL.
Now what?
I'm thinking treat the UW/NU result as due to UW being shorthanded and move the Badgers back to #2 but there are about a half a dozen teams with a case for #3.
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Northwestern is quite not good. If not for a couple phantom drive extending penalties, it wouldn't have been as close as 29-20. Iowa and Indiana are both VASTLY better.
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Wow has Purdue fallen fast.
At 2-0 they were in serious contention for a CG appearance. Now they are 2-3 and staring 2-5 in the face.
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With the NU loss, tOSU is now the B1G's only CFP contender and if they have to miss a third game (MSU) then even going undefeated might not get them in as only a 6-0 non-champion.
Not sure who benefits most from that.
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Did you watch the Game HB?Saw most of the 4th and it was a comedy of errors(both sides) but a blast to watch
The Spartans were physical, got there running game going, shut down the northwestern running game, got pressure on the northwestern quarterback, and made plays when they had to down the stretch. Yes I’m not saying our playoff contender but if you think back to the Michigan State glory days of just a few years ago this team looked more like that than they have in a while.
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Isaiah Spiller lighting it up for Texas A&M's offense Vs LSU. 106 first half yards rushing, Aggies up 10-0.
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Pelini's defense hasn't sucked, yet
the LSU offense has sucked absolutely
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The Spartans were physical, got there running game going, shut down the northwestern running game, got pressure on the northwestern quarterback, and made plays when they had to down the stretch. Yes I’m not saying our playoff contender but if you think back to the Michigan State glory days of just a few years ago this team looked more like that than they have in a while.
This was probably MSUs best game since the Northwestern game last year. That said, the Wildcats are also not good.
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Beth Mowins working ABC prime time.
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K-state/Baylor entertaining
not twelving
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Beth Mowins working ABC prime time.
I think that was part of the PSU sanctions. She did damn near every one of their games during the BOB era.
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Ole "Big Game" Mel.
He can beat Michigan and can knock off Top 10 opponents.
But then Rutgers, Iowa and Indiana just take him behind the woodshed.
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But then Rutgers, Iowa and Indiana just take him behind the woodshed.
All three of those teams are substantially better than Northwestern
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I still subscribe to my theory that Northwestern and Indiana didn't get any better, everyone else just got worse.
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I still subscribe to my theory that Northwestern and Indiana didn't get any better, everyone else just got worse.
Indiana is good
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Washington comes back from 21-0 to take 24-21 lead on Utah with 36 seconds left
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Turnovers the great equalizer
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What is with your weird hard on for McNamara? It's weird. Seriously. Stats don't tell the entire story.
The kid clearly seriously injured his throwing shoulder late in the 1st QTR when he was 5 of 8 for 30 some odd yards- and had to come out of the game. He only went back into the game after Joe Milton came in and sucked ass (as usual) for a couple series- so they put a clearly injured McNamara right back in after it was clear Milton wasn't going to give them anything at all- and McNamara actually pulled himself early from that game on their final desperation drive because he couldn't throw the ball more than 20 yards downfield.
Not worried about McNamara. At all. He is the least of their worries. That patchwork OL that got McNamara's shoulder destroyed is atrocious- and Jim Harbaugh and Josh Gattis play-calling/scheming is like a match made in retard heaven. If either had any honor or dignity, they would both fire themselves effective immediately.
It's weird that I pulled up a box score and thought, man, that's a weird line?
I mostly don't give a shit about the kid. To me, he's some vague abstraction, a backup someone else is excited about, which, whatever. I respect that it reflects his play-calling the the rest of the overrated talent piled up around him.
Hope he gets healthy and pulls it together down the line.
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Turnovers the great equalizer
Umm, my pauper grandfather is buried about 25-yards from Grant Wood. The cemetery is the great equalizer.
Turnovers make things unequal.
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HA!Never looked at it like that
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I'm sick and f&#@$*g tired of being a Purdue fan.
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Wife and I made pulled pork stuffed poblano last night with esquites.
Poblano recipe said it feeds four. Is the recipe wrong, or am I just a glutton?
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four little kids
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Anyone else getting this way about this college football season?
https://twitter.com/JMartRadio/status/1332992238884937728
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The season is distorted no doubt, but when I watch a game, I am into the game and enjoy it.
I fear in 30 years it may not exist in any form we know it, maybe flag football.
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CFB is NEVER meaningless
especially when the Huskers are on the field
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Anyone else getting this way about this college football season?
https://twitter.com/JMartRadio/status/1332992238884937728
I've said that all along. I've said the Uber focus on playoff robust, has diminished my interest somewhat already, due to so many games feeling meaning. And this season has just accelerated that. Like I'm truly not sure what any given game and actually means, probably nothing
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The fans not there is one thing but knowing if teams will be from week-week gets irsome
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the Huskers not being relevant since Pelini's last season in 2014 has much more to do with my passion for the game than the playoff, which I don't like and/or 2020 COVID crap
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If they still made the NCAA FB videogame, the one for this year would be downright ridiculous
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I've said that all along. I've said the Uber focus on playoff robust, has diminished my interest somewhat already, due to so many games feeling meaning. And this season has just accelerated that. Like I'm truly not sure what any given game and actually means, probably nothing
Maybe it's because my team keeps losing games, but any time UW gets to play, I find it meaningful. I was decidedly salty about NW and joyful about the Michigan win.
I was pissed when they lost Minnesota. Not super pissed, but I assume that's because I'm less busy and not 22 anymore.
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I feel blessed in a way to get to watch my buckeyes play the 4 games that they did play because only getting to watch Justin fields and Chris Olave
For one season made me sad.
Anything from here would just be gravy. The conference title and playoff just don’t mean much to me this year.
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gravy is VERY good
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Anyone else getting this way about this college football season?
https://twitter.com/JMartRadio/status/1332992238884937728
I get it. I can see where people feel like that, but I can honestly say I’ve been into all the games WVU has played. I was actually really bummed the Oklahoma game was postponed this weekend. I was really looking forward to it. I’d also been looking at scenarios where WVU could still sneak into the Big 12 title game. I still hope they win out and go to as good a bowl as possible and get an interesting match up. If I weren’t in to the season I guess I wouldn’t be doing those things.
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The ones I feel for the most are the players, really. For most, this was their dream, to play college football, even for Akron or whatever. The guys playing for some Div III school work very hard at it, plus being a student. I know the NCAA is making some accommodation, fine, but the kids lost a year, I'm not talking about the ones who will get drafted and paid.
Imagine you made the Ohio State football team as a third string tackle, how hard you work getting punished at practice, all the effort, just to run out onto the field at the Shoe 6 times a year and basically watch from the sideline. I admire those guys, even if part of me thinks they are "dumb".
I hope they get to play some actual downs this year.
What is the status of the 85 limit next season?
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It's weird that I pulled up a box score and thought, man, that's a weird line?
I mostly don't give a shit about the kid. To me, he's some vague abstraction, a backup someone else is excited about, which, whatever. I respect that it reflects his play-calling the the rest of the overrated talent piled up around him.
Hope he gets healthy and pulls it together down the line.
Yes, it is weird, because you went looking for the box score and stat line for no reason and without context- and you've been basically taking weird little shots at McNamara since he got in and lead Michigan to it's only points vs Wisconsin. Sam Webb- one of the most plugged in "reporters" into Michigan football is saying that McNamara shoulder injury is serious enough that they are shutting him down for the year and going back to Milton. Which is just another indictment on Harbaugh- if the shoulder was that bad- why play an injured player?
McNamara is infinitely better than Joe Milton. He's not a back-up. He's a starter caliber player. Joe Milton? Now that is the definition of a back-up QB. Milton probably shouldn't even be playing QB- he should be playing TE or DE. He is terrible at QB. Again- ANOTHER indictment on Harbaugh- who ran off McCaffrey and handed a terrible QB a starting QB job.
The talent is fine. The recruit rankings are pretty accurate on the whole for the most part. This is proven year after year.
The problem at Michigan is simple. It's Jim Harbaugh. Plain and simple. His players don't like him. And he's driven off very good players all because they couldn't stand him or because he plays favorites to "his guys". Joe Milton was his pet project. And Joe Milton sucks. It's clear as day and obvious to anyone with a set of eye balls.
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That is a pretty damning indictment.
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Yes, it is weird, because you went looking for the box score and stat line for no reason and without context- and you've been basically taking weird little shots at McNamara since he got in and lead Michigan to it's only points vs Wisconsin. Sam Webb- one of the most plugged in "reporters" into Michigan football is saying that McNamara shoulder injury is serious enough that they are shutting him down for the year and going back to Milton. Which is just another indictment on Harbaugh- if the shoulder was that bad- why play an injured player?
McNamara is infinitely better than Joe Milton. He's not a back-up. He's a starter caliber player. Joe Milton? Now that is the definition of a back-up QB. Milton probably shouldn't even be playing QB- he should be playing TE or DE. He is terrible at QB. Again- ANOTHER indictment on Harbaugh- who ran off McCaffrey and handed a terrible QB a starting QB job.
The talent is fine. The recruit rankings are pretty accurate on the whole for the most part. This is proven year after year.
The problem at Michigan is simple. It's Jim Harbaugh. Plain and simple. His players don't like him. And he's driven off very good players all because they couldn't stand him or because he plays favorites to "his guys". Joe Milton was his pet project. And Joe Milton sucks. It's clear as day and obvious to anyone with a set of eye balls.
Listen man, I don't know what to tell you about the bolded. That you find it weird that a person who likes college football would check a boxscore of a game he didn't have on a main TV and then comment on it on a college football message board says a good bit about where you're coming from and not much about where I aim. That's just what it is.
And if you think I give an ounce of a crap about how the kid cut into a 32-point lead in in the third quarter against my team, let me correct you about that misnomer right now.
And I called the kid a backup because he spent the majority of the season as a backup. That's not a shot, it's describing the world at it was. I wish him well with his new coach and look forward to Harbaugh's departure because man am I tired about all the nonsense around him. A fresh start will do the Wolverines and their fans well.
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A strange thought just occurred to me. If Minny and OSU are both out next week...
NW is scheduled to play at Minny. OSU at MSU. Now could NW-MSU play a rematch just 1 week after playing? Maybe or maybe they could do a trade.
MD is scheduled to play at Mich. Could they switch it up and have MD play at MSU instead and have NW play at Mich instead?
MD-MSU was canceled earlier this year so that's a chance to get that game in. The question is would Michigan play along?
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A strange thought just occurred to me. If Minny and OSU are both out next week...
NW is scheduled to play at Minny. OSU at MSU. Now could NW-MSU play a rematch just 1 week after playing? Maybe or maybe they could do a trade.
MD is scheduled to play at Mich. Could they switch it up and have MD play at MSU instead and have NW play at Mich instead?
MD-MSU was canceled earlier this year so that's a chance to get that game in. The question is would Michigan play along?
If a rematch was an option, I'd bet UW would've looked into throttling Illinois again.
Consider me doubtful.
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I would think the networks would be hungry for content and put pressure on the Commish to produce two games and no rematch if possible
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If a rematch was an option, I'd bet UW would've looked into throttling Illinois again.
Consider me doubtful.
I kind of thought the big issue was that OSU did not cancel the OSU-ILL game until Sat the day of the game. Although OSU did not travel on Fri, so the odds were already bad on Friday that the game would be played.
But either way, it was too late in the week for ILL to do anything. If OSU and Minny both cancel this week by Tues, then maybe the conference still has time to switch things around in theory.
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Maybe it's because my team keeps losing games, but any time UW gets to play, I find it meaningful. I was decidedly salty about NW and joyful about the Michigan win.
I was pissed when they lost Minnesota. Not super pissed, but I assume that's because I'm less busy and not 22 anymore.
I was glad MSU won yesterday. But I'm not sure it actually meant anything. Being #8 doesn't mean jack. And the bowl selections have more to do with who hasn't been to a given bowl in a minute than merit. Theyve created a system where every win beyond bowl eligibility but short of CFP qualification is irrelevant. And sadly that's everything between 6-6 and like 11-2.
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I still hope they win out and go to as good a bowl as possible and get an interesting match up. If I weren’t in to the season I guess I wouldn’t be doing those things.
Problem is, I don't think it matters. At least in the Big Ten, they've created this dumb cycle to more or less ensure teams don't go to the same bowl twice in a 6 year span. So a 10-3, top 15 MSU team in 2017 went to the Holiday Bowl, but had they gone 7-5 last year, they were almost certainly guaranteed a NYD bowl, simply because they hadn't played in the Citrus/Outback during this cycle.
If you actually emphasized the bowls through merit, beyond the CFP, I could get on board. But since they don't it's hard for me to care that much about any result that doesn't impact the CFP
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I was glad MSU won yesterday. But I'm not sure it actually meant anything. Being #8 doesn't mean jack. And the bowl selections have more to do with who hasn't been to a given bowl in a minute than merit. Theyve created a system where every win beyond bowl eligibility but short of CFP qualification is irrelevant. And sadly that's everything between 6-6 and like 11-2.
What things mean or what is relevant remains in the eye of the beholder.
These things don't mean jack and are not relevant because either you, ELA, do not believe them to mean jack, or because whatever you tie to meaning (I think in this case it's bowl hierarchy?) is untethered.
I go back to my college days. UW had pairs of seasons when they went to the same bowl but had drastically different seasons, the second one in each case being better. It felt weird to have the same name on the bowl I didn't go to, but the seasons themselves each had meaning in their own context.
If the wins in themselves don't matter, then why watch? Because a team could go to Orlando for the Citrus instead of the Camping World? We get mad at all the noise and focus on the big race, and then we lament the fact that without that noise, we can't bring ourselves to care about the things we used to.
Maybe I'm projecting. I got older, had more real responsibilities (I know I have fewer than you do), and I started giving less of a crap about the name on the bowl and what anyone else thought of the team. If I enjoyed the game and the experience of watching, the bigger picture mattered far less.
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Problem is, I don't think it matters. At least in the Big Ten, they've created this dumb cycle to more or less ensure teams don't go to the same bowl twice in a 6 year span. So a 10-3, top 15 MSU team in 2017 went to the Holiday Bowl, but had they gone 7-5 last year, they were almost certainly guaranteed a NYD bowl, simply because they hadn't played in the Citrus/Outback during this cycle.
If you actually emphasized the bowls through merit, beyond the CFP, I could get on board. But since they don't it's hard for me to care that much about any result that doesn't impact the CFP
The only way I know to respond is to say if it matters to me, then it matters. I don’t need third party validation that it matters. It just sounds like to me you are letting outside forces dictate to you how much enjoyment you get out of watching your school. Most of us cheer for teams that will be out of the CFP running far more than they will be in it. You better be able to find pleasure in games and wins that don’t have an effect on the playoff picture, or pretty soon you will just stop watching altogether.
WVU realistically has no shot at the Big 12 title, let alone the national title. But they end the season playing two ranked teams who are in the thick of the conference title picture. I want them to win those games. They matter to me even if they don’t matter in the grand, national scene. Winning games like that could be a steppingstone for bigger things in future seasons. You have to be able to find meaning in “meaningless” games.
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I have noted before it could be fun to be a K State fan.
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Most K-State fans I know consider their team to be a constant KITN (kick in the nuts) so I'm not sure they'd agree.
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I've told the story of going to an Ole Miss game. We got invited to this tent. They had an Alabama fan there, and she explained that at Bama no one enjoys the pregame because they are too tense, and no one enjoys the post game because after a 51-7 win, they complain about giving up that late TD. She noted that at Ole Miss, folks are there to tailgate and have fun, the game is an afterthought. Win or lose they have fun.
I think the hosts were some Big Wigs because after the game some players showed up and were feted. And they had everything in the tent, and wouldn't take my effort to compensate them for some of it. They pay some company to come in on Thursday and set up the tent (it was double) with furniture and then bring in the food and booze on Saturday AM. It was Kirby's first year, and the Dawgs got hammered.
I was thinking at K State you could do the same thing as expectations are low generally.
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If the wins in themselves don't matter, then why watch? Because a team could go to Orlando for the Citrus instead of the Camping World? We get mad at all the noise and focus on the big race, and then we lament the fact that without that noise, we can't bring ourselves to care about the things we used to.
I mean as far as determining anything, they are irrelevant. You could go 7-5, and win up in a New Years Day Bowl, or 10-2 and wind up in the Music City Bowl.
And I don't need noise to care, but I'd prefer results being tied to something. I'm not saying "I don't care about getting to the Citrus Bowl, because nobody cares about the Citrus Bowl anymore", I'm saying "I don't care about getting to the Citrus Bowl, because getting there is more tied to who hadn't been there recently than how the teams did."
I would love to tier the bowls, and be playing for something late. I would love for a November MSU-Indiana game (in a normal year) to be between two teams jockying for bowl positioning. Instead, a game in November between two 6-3 teams, largely has no bearing on anything
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The only way I know to respond is to say if it matters to me, then it matters. I don’t need third party validation that it matters. It just sounds like to me you are letting outside forces dictate to you how much enjoyment you get out of watching your school. Most of us cheer for teams that will be out of the CFP running far more than they will be in it. You better be able to find pleasure in games and wins that don’t have an effect on the playoff picture, or pretty soon you will just stop watching altogether.
I think we actually agree. My issue isn't that non-CFP games should be irrelevant, it's that they are, due to a postseason system that has become so focused on this thing that so few participate in, that they've sacrificed the other bowls. I was legitimately psyched when Michigan State went 8-3 in 2008 and got to play in a New Years Bowl, by finishing 3rd in the Big Ten. That was worth rooting for to me. A 9-3 MSU team in 2017, with wins over Michigan, Iowa and Penn State, wound up in the Holiday Bowl, simply because of a system the Big Ten now has, to cycle teams through bowls. Flip side, last year (apparently) if MSU had finished 7-5, instead of 6-6, due to that same cycle, they very likely would have wound up in the Outback Bowl.
It's not a matter of letting third-parties dictate what matters to me, it's that they've changed the system so beyond the New Years Six bowls, performance is not tied to bowl bid. I was rooting as hard as anything in 2008 for that New Years Bowl, both as a legitimate reward, and season validation. Neither of those things exist anymore because (1) the selection isn't tied to your performance; and (2) because of that, there is no validation in playing in a NYD bowl. Hell, on the back end of this cycle playing in a NYD bowl may actually be a bad thing, because it meant you weren't selected for one until there was nobody left to pick from.
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I mean as far as determining anything, they are irrelevant. You could go 7-5, and win up in a New Years Day Bowl, or 10-2 and wind up in the Music City Bowl.
And I don't need noise to care, but I'd prefer results being tied to something. I'm not saying "I don't care about getting to the Citrus Bowl, because nobody cares about the Citrus Bowl anymore", I'm saying "I don't care about getting to the Citrus Bowl, because getting there is more tied to who hadn't been there recently than how the teams did."
I would love to tier the bowls, and be playing for something late. I would love for a November MSU-Indiana game (in a normal year) to be between two teams jockying for bowl positioning. Instead, a game in November between two 6-3 teams, largely has no bearing on anything
I see now that you're saying it's not about the noise, but you like the success to tie into postseason destination.
I suppose that's fair, though it seems the disillusionment is with the bowl system being changed in general, which doesn't have to impact enjoyment of games. I guess I'm just old fashioned, but I always found playing just to be an 8-4 team rather than a 7-5 team much more valuable than where they go.
I suppose, also, my issue was that this problem existed pre-playoff, just in a less free-form way. Going 7-5 got the same result in 2008 as going 9-3 in 2009 (that was a weird one where NW jumped UW in the standings via tiebreaker/better story, so it went Outback despite a non-conference loss to 4-8 Syracuse). Going 9-3 with a ragged defense in 2005 got UW what going 11-1 did a year later. If 8-4 sometimes got you NYD and 9-3 sometimes got you Dec. 29, wasn't worth my worry.
(You did mention rooting really hard for a bowl in 2008. Maybe I'm overstepping bounds, but I know the small details in sports I cared about 12 years ago are just different, and I find myself wondering if that might be a factor as well for you)
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(You did mention rooting really hard for a bowl in 2008. Maybe I'm overstepping bounds, but I know the small details in sports I cared about 12 years ago are just different, and I find myself wondering if that might be a factor as well for you)
Yeah, caveat for that as well, but even relatively speaking.
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Penix done for the season. Kid can't stay healthy
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Penix done for the season. Kid can't stay healthy
That’s stinks. Kid is a baller and he makes that team dangerous.
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Dwan Mathis in the transfer portal.
Originally committed to Iowa State, flipped to Michigan State, flipped to Ohio State, flipped on Signing Day to Georgia, now transferring
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Dwan Mathis in the transfer portal.
Originally committed to Iowa State, flipped to Michigan State, flipped to Ohio State, flipped on Signing Day to Georgia, now transferring
And was just terrible this year.
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Man, forgot to do a Week 7 preview, and who knows how many games actually happen
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And was just terrible this year.
He did miss all of 2019 after brain surgery
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D'wan Mathis is leaving UGA. The last guy to transfer did pretty well. Best of luck to the young man.
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Dwan Mathis in the transfer portal.
Originally committed to Iowa State, flipped to Michigan State, flipped to Ohio State, flipped on Signing Day to Georgia, now transferring
Hopefully he's in General Studies
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Gophers-Northwestern game cancelled due to COVID in the Gopher program.
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Welp!Anyone for Electric Football
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Gophers need to get a grip on this before 12/12
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Gophers shouldn't have played Purdue.
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MSU LB Luke Fulton, who was suspended indefinitely following an assault arrest stemming from a bar fight, and hasn't played this year, is in the portal
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If Ohio State doesn't get enough games to represent its division in the B1G CCG, that might improve the Aggies' chances at slipping into the CFP as a 1-loss non-champ.
Does a 5-0 Ohio State that didn't play for its conference championship still get in ahead of a 9-1 TAMU team whose only loss is to undefeated 11-0 Alabama? Granted, the Tide whipped them sideways in that game, but still...
Strange year, huh?
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MSU LB Luke Fulton, who was suspended indefinitely following an assault arrest stemming from a bar fight, and hasn't played this year, is in the portal slammer
FIFY
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If Ohio State doesn't get enough games to represent its division in the B1G CCG, that might improve the Aggies' chances at slipping into the CFP as a 1-loss non-champ.
Does a 5-0 Ohio State that didn't play for its conference championship still get in ahead of a 9-1 TAMU team whose only loss is to undefeated 11-0 Alabama? Granted, the Tide whipped them sideways in that game, but still...
Strange year, huh?
The lack of total games will hurt OSU, but I am guessing OSU will still get to play in the 2nd place game, and that might end up being against a higher ranked team than the West division winner Northwestern.
OSU would probably end up playing the Wiscy-Iowa winner, who might end up passing Northwestern in the rankings.
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OSU needs at least 6 games to be eligible for the CFP.
Is OSU going to play this weekend?
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If Ohio State doesn't get enough games to represent its division in the B1G CCG, that might improve the Aggies' chances at slipping into the CFP as a 1-loss non-champ.
Does a 5-0 Ohio State that didn't play for its conference championship still get in ahead of a 9-1 TAMU team whose only loss is to undefeated 11-0 Alabama? Granted, the Tide whipped them sideways in that game, but still...
Strange year, huh?
I think it does help.
Gawd that’s gonna be a first round blowout
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OSU needs at least 6 games to be eligible for the CFP.
Is OSU going to play this weekend?
Next weekend might be the issue
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I know, but if they can't go this weekend, it's over.
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OSU needs at least 6 games to be eligible for the CFP.
Is OSU going to play this weekend?
Who says tOSU needs six games to be eligible for the CFP?
Next weekend might be the issue
Right now both look to be possible cancellations:
This weekend because the other two B1G teams that have cancelled one game due to COVID have had to cancel a second game as well. If that precedent holds, tOSU will have to cancel this weekend's MSU game. Next weekend because there are now rumors of an outbreak at Michigan and if they have to cancel two games the second one would be THE GAME.
I know, but if they can't go this weekend, it's over.
What is over?
First, you said above that "OSU needs at least 6 games to be eligible for the CFP." Please don't present your opinion as fact. To my knowledge, the CFP committee has set not such minimum. In fact, the CFP committee has specifically stated that there is no minimum game requirement to be eligible for the CFP.
Second, it isn't even carved in stone yet that Ohio State needs six games to make the B1GCG. Depending on how you read the B1G's 2020 rules (https://www.cfb51.com/big-ten/b1gcg-eligibility-threshold/) and how many other games get cancelled they might be eligible with four.
Third, even assuming that six games were required to make the CFP and that the Buckeyes will not play this weekend, they could still achieve six games total and be "eligible" for the CFP under your completely made up scenario:
- Four games already played, 4-0.
- One game December 12 (either Michigan or a replacement).
- One game Champions Weekend (possibly the CG or possibly a game against fellow-non-eligible-team, Wisconsin).
That makes six.
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It wasn't my opinion - I read that back in September, but there is now no minimum number of games, as of last week.
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How do you make Michigan cookies?
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No idea, but Wisconsin knows how to make Michigan pancakes.
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No idea, but Wisconsin knows how to make Michigan pancakes.
Put'em in a big bowl and beat them for three hours.
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No idea, but Wisconsin knows how to make Michigan pancakes.
😂😂😂
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Welp!Anyone for Electric Football
Why, don't you mean WHOA NELLIE COLLEGE FOOTBALL?!?!
(https://i.imgur.com/Suf8b1y.jpg)
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not with a PAC team, but yes
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Why, don't you mean WHOA NELLIE COLLEGE FOOTBALL?!?!
[img width=259.091 height=375]https://i.imgur.com/Suf8b1y.jpg[/img]
Only electronic football full encapsulates the randomness of this season.
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I'm thinking of matching up '94 PSU vs '01 Miami tonight. Can't decide which side to play as.
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01 Canes if you want the "W"
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Apparently the girl kicker at Vandy kinda ripped the team at halftime for not cheering each other on enough on the sideline. Then she goes out and scuffs one along the turf 20 yards. I know if I was a player I’d love if a chick used solely for a PR stunt tried to give me a pep talk and then showed exactly why she shouldn’t have been on the field in the first place.
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Only electronic football full encapsulates the randomness of this season.
Great point
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Apparently the girl kicker at Vandy kinda ripped the team at halftime for not cheering each other on enough on the sideline. Then she goes out and scuffs one along the turf 20 yards. I know if I was a player I’d love if a chick used solely for a PR stunt tried to give me a pep talk and then showed exactly why she shouldn’t have been on the field in the first place.
It is made even worse because Vandy would have had a decent kicker available is not for the fact that they canceled their men's soccer program due to Title IX.
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Apparently the girl kicker at Vandy kinda ripped the team at halftime for not cheering each other on enough on the sideline. Then she goes out and scuffs one along the turf 20 yards. I know if I was a player I’d love if a chick used solely for a PR stunt tried to give me a pep talk and then showed exactly why she shouldn’t have been on the field in the first place.
I mean, if we're talking folks that shouldn't have been on the field, the whole Commodore team probably shouldn't have showed up most of this season.
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Only electronic football full encapsulates the randomness of this season.
I'm not looking forward to some of the 2020 teams I'll be creating, with 5-7 game's worth of statistics. There's going to be some wonky stuff.
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I put the write up on the Game Outcomes page on the board, but for those interested, '01 Canes fend off a feverish comeback and break up a 2pt conversion to defeat '94 PSU by the score of 24-23. The Conway missed PAT in the first half bit them.
much better than electronic football.
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much better than electronic football.
Sayz You
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It strikes me as predictable, and odd, that such a deal was made of the Vandy female kicker. It's not as if this portends some major influx of female players in CFB. I imagine a few will trickle in for a bit as kickers, and then it will be a thing which was done already and passe.
To me, it's not news more than a minor blip.
OK, they had a female kicker, got it, Next?
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It strikes me as predictable, and odd, that such a deal was made of the Vandy female kicker. It's not as if this portends some major influx of female players in CFB. I imagine a few will trickle in for a bit as kickers, and then it will be a thing which was done already and passe.
To me, it's not news more than a minor blip.
OK, they had a female kicker, got it, Next?
The whole thing relies on kickers being "football players," which they're decidedly not.
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It strikes me as predictable, and odd, that such a deal was made of the Vandy female kicker. It's not as if this portends some major influx of female players in CFB. I imagine a few will trickle in for a bit as kickers, and then it will be a thing which was done already and passe.
To me, it's not news more than a minor blip.
OK, they had a female kicker, got it, Next?
Next they fired the head coach. Not related to the choice of kicker when the other kickers weren't available.
If feels like the subject would've died quick, but the culture war side of it is gonna keep burning long after she transfers to North Texas (I'm not sure if that's at semester or not).
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It strikes me as predictable, and odd, that such a deal was made of the Vandy female kicker. It's not as if this portends some major influx of female players in CFB. I imagine a few will trickle in for a bit as kickers, and then it will be a thing which was done already and passe.
To me, it's not news more than a minor blip.
OK, they had a female kicker, got it, Next?
it was stupid and reckless to let her kick in a P5 football game.
Kickers can get destroyed in football. This could've happend.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqjGBqDwhUU
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Right. Not football players.
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not football players
they don't block or tackle
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not football players
they don't block or tackle
Well there was that Penn State kicker...
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it's rare, but it happens
I've been pleading with Coach Frost to find a Linebacker that can boot kickoffs out the back side of the endzone
apparently the non-athlete kickers on the squad the past 5 seasons don't have enough leg.
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I'm consistent from 40-on-in. Kickoff touchbacks? Nuh uh.
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it was stupid and reckless to let her kick in a P5 football game.
Kickers can get destroyed in football. This could've happend.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqjGBqDwhUU
That's true, but it generally doesn't. We could probably make a video like that for nasty broken bones and dislocated limbs, but they're still a rarity.
Most folks don't block kickers. They don't do it because, as we've said, they're shitty tacklers. If a returner can't shake her with ease, christ, that might me she is OK being out there.
(there is the alternative that some kid just dials one up on her because they think it would be fun to hit a lady. I suppose that would be it's own separate deal)
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(there is the alternative that some kid just dials one up on her because they think it would be fun to hit a lady. I suppose that would be it's own separate deal)
Mess with the Bull you get the horn
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Right. Not football players.
100%. Which is why they should just get rid of them.
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I really won't mind if they got rid of kickoffs.
Just spot the ball on the 20
as far as onside kicks, ... no need for them. Don't put yerself in the position to need one.
kinda sucks for a team that has played poorly to get lucky and get a shot at the end of the game
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Well there's that alternative to an on-side kick - the "kickoff" team gets the ball after scoring, 4th and 15 at the opponent's 40 yard line.
Have teams go for 2 only.
But with no field goals, scoring would decrease.
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I'm consistent from 40-on-in. Kickoff touchbacks? Nuh uh.
With almost no practice when I was in HS I could put it through from 30-yards (I was not our kicker - but at 5'8", I was still apparently better than 6'2" Sarah Fuller based on her only NCAAF kick); 40-yards is damned good my man, if you were not a kicker, and a heckuva a lot better than what I could do in my previous life.
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Well there's that alternative to an on-side kick - the "kickoff" team gets the ball after scoring, 4th and 15 at the opponent's 40 yard line.
Have teams go for 2 only.
But with no field goals, scoring would decrease.
I don't mind field goals or extra point kicks. But, I'd be fine without either of them or both.
the fun part of an extra point kick for one point and the going for 2 points is that it forces head coaches to perform simple math