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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: medinabuckeye1 on November 25, 2020, 04:39:43 PM
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- 7-0 Bama vs #22 Auburn
- 8-0 Notre Dame @ #19 UNC
- 7-1 Clemson vs Pitt
- 4-0 Ohio State @ Ill
- 5-1 aTm vs LSU
- 6-1 Florida vs Kentucky
- 8-0 Cincy off due to COVID
- 5-0 NU @ MSU
- 5-2 UGA @ USCe
- 7-1 Miami, FL off
- 6-2 Oklahoma @ WVU
- 4-1 Indiana vs UMD
- 6-2 ISU @ #17 Texas
- 9-0 BYU off
- 3-0 Oregon @ OrSU
- 2-1 UW off due to Covid
- 5-2 Texas vs #13 ISU
- 3-0 USC vs Colorado
- 6-2 UNC vs #2 ND
- 8-0 Coastal Carolina @ TxSt
- 7-0 Marshall off
- 5-2 Auburn @ #1 Bama
- 5-2 OkSU vs TxTech
- 3-2 Iowa vs UNL
- 5-1 Tulsa off due to COVID
Thoughts:
Clemson over Ohio State might bother me if I thought it mattered but it really doesn't. #2 ND and #3 Clemson cannot both win out. At least one must lose. Thus, if Ohio State wins out they are EXTREMEMLY unlikely to finish lower than #3.
Pairs/groups of teams that cannot all win out:
- #1 Bama and #6 Florida
- #1 Bama and #22 Auburn
- #2 Notre Dame and #3 Clemson
- #4 tOSU and #8 NU
- #11 OU and #13 ISU and #17 Tx and #23 OkSU
Teams that probably control their own destiny to the CFP
- #1 Bama, no doubt.
- #2 Notre Dame, if they win out including beating Clemson again in the ACCCG, they are absolutely in.
- #3 Clemson, if they win out that would avenge their earlier loss to ND and they would be 100% in.
- #4 Ohio State, if they win out they'd be an undefeated P5 Champion.
- #6 Florida A 1-loss SEC Champion is absolutely in.
- #8 Northwestern, if they win out they'd be an undefeated P5 Champion likely with a win over tOSU.
- #15 Oregon, if they win out they'd be an undefeated P5 Champion and 100% in.
- #18 USC, if they win out they'd be an undefeated P5 Champion and 100% in.
That is it, everybody else needs help. Other highly ranked teams and what they probably need:
- #5 aTm: Being #5 is great but they can't make it to the SECCG without a miracle and without a Championship they would be passed by any undefeated P5 Champion and possibly by 1-loss P5 Champions as well. Their best shot, I think, would be if Bama goes undefeated thus making Bama #1 and making aTm's blowout loss to the Tide more forgivable and also eliminating Florida from the running. Even then, it would help their cause if ND beats Clemson again or if the B1G and PAC fail to produce an undefeated Champion.
- #7 Cincy: I think they need absolute chaos. They are ahead of Northwestern, USC, and Oregon for now but they will not finish ahead of any undefeated P5 team and they probably will not finish ahead of any 1-loss P5 Champion or other team (like aTm).
- #9 UGA: Almost zero chance. I think they would need Florida to disintegrate and then they'd need a SECCG win over Bama and that still might not be enough because Bama and/or aTm could still finish with a better record.
- #10 Miami: The only way I see for them to get in is if they get into the ACCCG (requires a Clemson loss or two ND losses) and then win the ACC and finish as a 1-loss ACC Champion.
- #11 OU, #13 ISU, #17 TX, and #23 OkSU: The Champion of the B12 will have at least two losses. The only way that gets in is chaos but it could happen.
- #12 Indiana: Much like UGA in the SEC, almost zero chance. They need tOSU to lose twice or miss to games, then they need a B1GCG win and some other help in other leagues.
I think that is every relevant team.
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One more thought:
BYU was stupid for not taking a game with Washington no matter the stipulations. These rankings make clear that they aren't getting anywhere near the CFP with that cupcake schedule so they NEEDED a decent opponent.
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BYU would change their mind after this ranking came out
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Good analysis. I think you can drop UGA from any future analysis unless total weirdness happens.
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Good analysis. I think you can drop UGA from any future analysis unless total weirdness happens.
Assuming Florida beats Kentucky this weekend, that will be one step closer to mathematically eliminating UGA from SECCG contention and once that happens their chances at a CFP berth become nil.
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If ND wins out until the CCG and then loses badly to a full strength Clemson, what else has to happen behind them to knock them out of the top 4?
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How does T A&M get a no 5 ranking?They got waterboarded by Bama 52-24 and beat an 0-7 Vanderbilt 17-12.They beat number 6 Florida by 3 but that is all pending.They shouldn't be ahead of Northwestern or Indiana.I hope FLA wins out and beats Bama in the CCG
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If ND wins out until the CCG and then loses badly to a full strength Clemson, what else has to happen behind them to knock them out of the top 4?
nothing, a loss to Clemson should be enuff
especially a bad loss
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If ND wins out until the CCG and then loses badly to a full strength Clemson, what else has to happen behind them to knock them out of the top 4?
nothing, a loss to Clemson should be enuff
especially a bad loss
I agree with @FearlessF (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=10) pending chaos. A 1-loss non-Champion Notre Dame would likely be behind any undefeated or 1-loss P5 Champion and probably also behind a 1-loss non-Champion aTm and numerous other potential 1-loss non-Champions. They might not even be ahead of a 2-loss P5 Champion such as from the B12 provided that the loss was bad.
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A&M deserves nothing,if they run the table they still need help,not seeing that at all.IMO it will be pointed out the 5pt win vs an 0-7 team.Hell they should be flattered they are considered in the top 10 at all
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I don't know what I'd prefer more...
Watching Notre Dame get knocked out of the CFP...
...or watching them end up in the #4 spot and get curb-stomped by Bama in the semifinals.
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Haven't followed ND but their O-Line is stout
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How does T A&M get a no 5 ranking?They got waterboarded by Bama 52-24 and beat an 0-7 Vanderbilt 17-12.They beat number 6 Florida by 3 but that is all pending.They shouldn't be ahead of Northwestern or Indiana.I hope FLA wins out and beats Bama in the CCG
I think NW and UI are held back because they are NW and UI.
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But according to their(Committee) charter they are open minded and don't cater to the dogmas of the past.IU lost by one score to the no 4 team.NU beat previously unbeaten UW.Until they lose WTH.I'd take either Hoosiers/Cats vs the Aggies
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Yup. And we all believe them, right?
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. . . Pairs/groups of teams that cannot all win out:
- #1 Bama and #6 Florida
- #1 Bama and #22 Auburn
- #2 Notre Dame and #3 Clemson
- #4 tOSU and #8 NU
- #11 OU and #13 ISU and #17 Tx and #23 OkSU . . .
OU and Iowa State have already played each other, as have Texas and FoSu.
Not that any of them has more than a ghost of a prayer to be in the running for the CFP.
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How does T A&M get a no 5 ranking?They got waterboarded by Bama 52-24 and beat an 0-7 Vanderbilt 17-12.They beat number 6 Florida by 3 but that is all pending.They shouldn't be ahead of Northwestern or Indiana.I hope FLA wins out and beats Bama in the CCG
Three words. S. E. C.
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Van-der-bilt,A&M won't finish in the top 10
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One more thought:
BYU was stupid for not taking a game with Washington no matter the stipulations. These rankings make clear that they aren't getting anywhere near the CFP with that cupcake schedule so they NEEDED a decent opponent.
I agree, but it turns out that their concerns actually came to fruition, as their game would have been canceled this morning when Utah became available, as required by the Pac 12.
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A&M vs NU vs IU
A&M beat current #6 Florida
Northwestern's best win is vs current #18 Wisconsin
Indiana's best win is their loss to current #3 Ohio State. Their 4 actual wins are vs 3 dumpster fires and Rutgers.
If you're going to cite worst win, why would you ignore best win? It's as if you're not interested in both sides of the story.
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Honestly, THIS is an example of the echo chamber here. It's not about left vs right, it's about lazily believing something and then every one else chiming in with a "mm hmm" or "damn straight."
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The ags are good this year. Their biggest need was o-line, and the improvement there, is making Mond look significantly better. Crazy how that works.
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Who cares? This is just a bunch of random games to entertain us. Alabama, Clemson and OSU are the three beat teams, as always.
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Honestly, THIS is an example of the echo chamber here. It's not about left vs right, it's about lazily believing something and then every one else chiming in with a "mm hmm" or "damn straight."
Going down to the wire with the 0-7 commodores just confims that thought.Getting blasted by Bama.Indy lost by 7 to no 4.Another example of your head in the chamber pot
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I agree, but it turns out that their concerns actually came to fruition, as their game would have been canceled this morning when Utah became available, as required by the Pac 12.
It would have been a much better look for them to at least try to play an opponent with a pulse even if it didn't work out.
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OU and Iowa State have already played each other, as have Texas and FoSu.
Not that any of them has more than a ghost of a prayer to be in the running for the CFP.
Yes, but if OU and ISU both win out, wouldn't that mean they would meet in the B12CG? ISU would be in with the best record in the B12. Your Sooners would be no worse than tied for second with OkSU and they'd win that tie based on H2H, no?
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Who cares? This is just a bunch of random games to entertain us. Alabama, Clemson and OSU are the three beat teams, as always.
Yeah, everyone else needs to jack it up a little.
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Yes, but if OU and ISU both win out, wouldn't that mean they would meet in the B12CG? ISU would be in with the best record in the B12. Your Sooners would be no worse than tied for second with OkSU and they'd win that tie based on H2H, no?
Gotcha!
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Probably, I think, realistically, we're looking at something end of year like this:
1. Alabama
2. Ohio State
3. Clemson
4. Cincinnati
The 1-4 outcome might be an indication they should not include G5 teams in the future no matter what. The 2-3 outcome would be basically a 50-50 proposition between two very good teams.
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Honestly, THIS is an example of the echo chamber here. It's not about left vs right, it's about lazily believing something and then every one else chiming in with a "mm hmm" or "damn straight."
It strikes me that on occasion, a lot of folks agree with a point, and on others, many disagree. That is why we generate a lot of discussion at times.
I personally don't think we have many posters who simply post positive responses because they lazily believed something posted, probably not any in fact.
Of course, this is my opinion, and others may disagree with it.
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Of course, this is my opinion, and others may disagree with it.
Spot on,it's a holiday so I shall refrain
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These rankings are still a way to produce buzz because people cannot help but bicker when you put numbers next to things.
Fortunately, these numbers only mean a little more hype for games, unless you highly value the opinion of the committee. Which is you do, enjoy that.
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Damn right, Um hmmm.
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I think NW and UI are held back because they are NW and UI.
the grand poobah of the committee is a Big Ten man
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I think "it" is simply ingrained in all of us, it could be Miss State or South Carolina in that group versus Michigan. The "labels" carry weight. Each of us admires when the underdog program does well, but we think/suspect/believe it's a fluke and not really real.
And in the past, that has more often been the case than not.
But, if A&M or Florida met IU or NW on the field, they'd be large favorites in reality.
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I'd tune in to one of those matchups
bowl season?
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I'd tune in to one of those matchups
bowl season?
Yeah, we all would. And I suspect we'd all think Florida would smack Indiana like a RHSC.
Ohio State would also if they played again.
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No so sure,Hoosiers just may be having one of those seasons
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Bucks could have a few frontline players out due to COVID
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No so sure,Hoosiers just may be having one of those seasons
I think they have a pretty good team, but who have they beat?
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I'd tune in to one of those matchups
bowl season?
Wabbit season!
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UNC looked solid early and I think made it up to 5 or so in the AP, but I suspect many of us figured they weren't anywhere near that, for a reason. Some of that was because the B1G started late of course. Once UNC played a few more games they faded, still a pretty good team, but not #5.
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I'm not familiar with or have followed the Gators.But if their Defense has a pulse they could make a push for the playoffs but have to win out 1st.With Trask slinging it like Sammy Baugh
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I'm not familiar with or have followed the Gators.But if their Defense has a pulse they could make a push for the playoffs but have to win out 1st.With Trask slinging it like Sammy Baugh
Trask is so good, and their choice to hire Grantham is going to be rectified soon.
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Thanx,Wasn't familiar with Grantham-he coached for the BROWNS '05-'07 but they were tough follow let alone the coaches.UF was 7th nationally in points allowed last year.I always liked Mullen but the pendulum could be swinging back their way - hope not too much
https://floridagators.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/todd-grantham/1192
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Florida's defense is bad. However, it's less bad than it was early in the year. But it's still not good at anything - not vs the pass, not vs the run, not at causing turnovers. It tries to make the opponent punt maybe twice and assume the offense won't have to punt at all.
In 7 games, our punter has 13 kicks. Not bad.