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Title: Big Ten Week Five
Post by: MaximumSam on November 15, 2020, 07:36:43 AM

Standings:

West:
Northwestern 4-0
Wisconsin 2-0
Purdue 2-1
Iowa 2-2
Nebraska 1-2
Illinois 1-3
Minnesota 1-3

East
Indiana 4-0
OSU 3-0
Maryland 2-1
Michigan 1-3
MSU 1-3
Rutgers 1-3
PSU 0-4

Schedule
Friday, Purdue at Minnesota: Purdue trying to keep pace in the West
Saturday
Iowa at PSU: The best thing about going 0-4 is the chance to go 0-5
Illinois at Nebraska: Huskers trying to put together a winning streak
MSU at Maryland: Can MSU score points?
Michigan at Rutgers: Whoo boy
Indiana at OSU: Battle for the East
Wisconsin at Northwestern, 3:30, ABC: Battle for the West

Title: Re: Big Ten Week Five
Post by: MrNubbz on November 15, 2020, 08:16:54 AM

The Buckeyes have Indiana in the 'Shoe.Hopefully it won't be Hoosier Daddy 😜

Title: Re: Big Ten Week Five
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 15, 2020, 08:34:06 AM

I wonder if all of these games will be played.

Title: Re: Big Ten Week Five
Post by: FearlessF on November 15, 2020, 08:42:32 AM

I hope so

Title: Re: Big Ten Week Five
Post by: FearlessF on November 15, 2020, 05:13:58 PM

Fresh off its first win of the season, Nebraska will open preparation for its next game — an 11 a.m. matchup against Illinois in Lincoln — as a big favorite.

Oddsmakers released an opening line on Sunday morning, listing the Huskers as 14-point favorites over the Fighting Illini.

Both teams picked up their first wins of the season this past weekend. Nebraska went up early and then held on late to knock off Penn State 30-23, while Illinois kicked a last-second field goal to knock off Rutgers on the road for its first Big Ten win.

Title: Re: Big Ten Week Five
Post by: Mdot21 on November 15, 2020, 05:31:54 PM

when Michigan loses to Rutgers....omg the blood will really be in the water.

Title: Re: Big Ten Week Five
Post by: FearlessF on November 15, 2020, 05:36:54 PM

No. 9 Indiana at No. 3 Ohio State. The Hoosiers' dream season has a chance to reach new heights.

A Noon game???  WTF?

No. 10 Wisconsin at No. 19 Northwestern. Major Big Ten West ramifications.


Big Ten West gets sexy 2:30 kick on ABC?

Title: Re: Big Ten Week Five
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 15, 2020, 11:19:56 PM

Quote from: Mdot21 on November 15, 2020, 05:31:54 PM

when Michigan loses to Rutgers....omg the blood will really be in the water.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H_-bkZ4qhk&ab_channel=RutgersAthletics

Title: Re: Big Ten Week Five
Post by: MaximumSam on November 16, 2020, 06:59:59 AM

Quote from: FearlessF on November 15, 2020, 05:36:54 PM

No. 9 Indiana at No. 3 Ohio State. The Hoosiers' dream season has a chance to reach new heights.

A Noon game???  WTF?

No. 10 Wisconsin at No. 19 Northwestern. Major Big Ten West ramifications.


Big Ten West gets sexy 2:30 kick on ABC?

That's BIG NUDE SATURDAY

Title: Re: Big Ten Week Five
Post by: Entropy on November 16, 2020, 10:55:44 AM

I think UNL will win Saturday (still waiting to see the offense become what was expected when Frost became HC), but I'm not sure UNL can beat anyone by 14.  Ill would need to turn the ball over and give UNL short fields for that to happen.  Plus, if Ill goes with their running QB, the game will be shortened.  

Title: Re: Big Ten Week Five
Post by: FearlessF on November 16, 2020, 10:58:05 AM

yup, I wouldn't give any team 14 points with the Husker's offense inefficiency 

I'd have to take the Illini this week and take 14 points 

Title: Re: Big Ten Week Five
Post by: FearlessF on November 16, 2020, 11:58:59 AM

Quote from: Entropy on November 16, 2020, 10:55:44 AM

I think UNL will win Saturday (still waiting to see the offense become what was expected when Frost became HC), but I'm not sure UNL can beat anyone by 14.  Ill would need to turn the ball over and give UNL short fields for that to happen.  Plus, if Ill goes with their running QB, the game will be shortened. 

From McKewon........


of the 19 wide receivers, running backs and tight ends Nebraska signed to scholarships in 2016, 2017 and 2018, Austin Allen, Jack Stoll and Kurt Rafdal are the only ones left.

All Tight Ends

Title: Re: Big Ten Week Five
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on November 16, 2020, 01:53:09 PM

Quote from: MaximumSam on November 15, 2020, 07:36:43 AM

Indiana at OSU: Battle for the East
Wisconsin at Northwestern, 3:30, ABC: Battle for the West

It is looking like the division races are likely to be decided this weekend barring more cancellations.  

In the East:
If IU wins:

• The Hoosiers would be the only team controlling their own destiny.  
• Ohio State would need two IU losses (not impossible, they still have to play UMD, UW, and PU) but they'd also need to win out.  
• Maryland gets a shot at IU so they could take them out but they'd need somebody to beat tOSU because otherwise they could end up in a tie with tOSU and/or IU.  I'm not sure how that tie would work out.  (Remember for division standing purposes effectively only losses count, 7-1 = 6-1 = 5-1).  
• The other teams in the division already have at least three losses each so they could do no better than a tie with IU.  For all practical purposes, they are eliminated.  

If tOSU wins:

• The Buckeyes would control their own destiny and have a game to give so long as that game wasn't against Maryland (see below).  
• Indiana would need two tOSU losses.  It is possible, of course, that Ohio State could lose to their chief rival in Harbaugh's (likely) swan song, but the Buckeyes' other two opponents are horrible looking IL and MSU teams so that doesn't look good for IU.  
• Maryland would only need one tOSU loss provided that it wasn't to IL and that UMD won out.  In that case the Buckeyes and Terrapins would finish tied at 6-1 with no H2H to break the tie.  That would eventually be broken based on Divisional record where the Terrapins would be better because their loss was to NU from the B1G-W.  
• The other teams in the division already have at least three losses each so they could do no better than a tie with tOSU.  For all practical purposes, they are eliminated.  

In the West:
If Wisconsin wins:

• The Badgers would be sitting pretty at 3-0 but the primary threat to their path to the CG would be another cancellation which would *PROBABLY* make them ineligible.  
• Purdue might only be one game down but they'd need all kinds of help because their loss was to NU.  
• NU would only be one game down but their loss to UW would make that tricky.  
• Iowa's losses to PU and NU make it nearly impossible for them to catch up even if they do beat UW.  
• Nebraska would need all kinds of help.  
• Illinois and Minnesota have three losses each so they could do no better than a tie (in the loss column) with Wisconsin).  

If Northwestern wins:

• The Wildcats would very nearly clinch.  They'd have tiebreaking H2H wins over UW, PU, IA, and UNL.  Thus, they'd have to lose at least two of their last three (MSU, @MN, vIL) for anybody else to have a shot.  

Title: Re: Big Ten Week Five
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 16, 2020, 04:04:55 PM

Indiana hasn't beaten OSU since 1988. 

Every other team in the Big Ten has beaten the Buckeyes at least once since 2000 (except of course Rutgers and Maryland). 

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Tuesday Night Maction

Buffalo @ BG
Akron @ Kent (Wagon Wheel) 
. 
Wednesday Night Maction
Western @ Central (MI Mac game 1/3) 
Toledo @ Eastern 
NIU @ Ball St
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Cancelled 
Ohio @ Miami (Battle of the Bricks)

Title: Re: Big Ten Week Five
Post by: FearlessF on November 16, 2020, 06:46:15 PM

Gophers with back to back Friday nights?

no wonder the boat is listing to port

Title: Re: Big Ten Week Five
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on November 16, 2020, 08:16:42 PM

Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on November 16, 2020, 04:04:55 PM

Indiana hasn't beaten OSU since 1988.

And they hadn't beaten Michigan since 1987. 

It is actually much worse than that though.  From 1968-2019 they were:

• 1-39 against Michigan (the win was in 1987)
• 2-42-1 against Ohio State (the wins 1987 and 1988 and the tie was 1990)

Getting ready for #9 IU at #3 tOSU:
I heard (not sure on this) that this is the first top-10 match-up in IU program history.  That is amazing*. 

IU is 12-76-5 all-time against Ohio State (0.156) but it is actually worse than that.  One third (four) of their wins came before Ohio State joined the league (1901, 1903, 1904, 1905) and fully half of their wins came prior to 1925. 

The Hoosiers won the 1924 game against Ohio State 12-7 in Columbus.  At that point they were 6-4-1 against the Buckeyes (0.591).  Since then they are 6-72-4 (0.098).  Oddly, the Hoosiers have fared marginally better against the Buckeyes in Columbus than at home.  Five of their six wins and three of the four ties since 1925 occurred in Columbus where they are 5-46-3 over that stretch (0.120) while they are just 1-26-1 at home (0.054). 

*It is also only sorta-true.  
The fact that IU has never played a top-10 match-up was so unbelievable to me that I had to double-check it.  My immediate thought was that their RoseBowl in 1968 (1967 Season) should have been a top-10 match-up.  It sort-of was.  That was in a weird era when the AP only ranked ten teams.  The Hoosiers had been horrible in 1966 (1-8-1) so they started unranked.  They got to 5-0 on 10/21 with a win over Michigan and they were ranked #10 in the 10/23/67 poll.  They then steadily climbed as they continued winning until reaching 8-0 and #5 (one of the seven top-5 appearances in program history) in the 11/13/67 poll.  Then they got dump-trucked by Minnesota (33-7) and dropped completely out of the rankings (remember it was only a top-10).  A week later they beat #3 Purdue 19-14 and moved back into the rankings at #4 in the poll.  Their RoseBowl opponent was #1 USC so that sounds like not only a top-10 but a top-5 match-up but I guess it kinda doesn't count because there was no poll at the time because the AP had already released their final poll.  Eh, I don't buy that logic. 

The 17 times that IU has been a top-10 team:

• 10/13/1945:  #8 Indiana beat nr Nebraska 54-14
• 10/20/1945:  #8 Indiana beat nr Iowa 52-20
• 10/27/1945:  #8 Indiana beat nr Tulsa 7-2
• 11/3/1945:  #5 Indiana beat nr Cornell (Iowa) 46-6
• 11/10/1945:  #6 Indiana beat nr Minnesota 45-0
• 11/17/1945:  #4 Indiana beat nr Pitt 19-0
• 11/24/1945:  #4 Indiana beat #18 Purdue 26-0
• Ranked #4 in the 11/26/45 poll but played no game that week. 
• Ranked #4 in the final (12/3/45) 1945 poll but played no more games that season. 
• 10/28/1967:  #10 Indiana beat nr Arizona 42-7
• 11/4/1967:  #7 Indiana beat nr Wisconsin 14-9
• 11/11/1967:  #6 Indiana beat nr Michigan State 14-13
• 11/18/1967:  #5 Indiana lost 33-7 to nr Minnesota
• 1/1/1968:  #4 Indiana lost 14-3 to #1 USC<-- I'm counting this since both teams were ranked in the previous (final) poll. 
• 9/27/1969:  #10 Indiana lost 17-14 to nr California
• 11/14/2020:  #10 Indiana beat nr Michigan State 24-0
• 11/21/2020:  #10 Indiana faces #3 Ohio State

Indiana's seven top-5 appearances are in bold.  They haven't been top-5 since the November 27, 1967 poll but that will change if they win this weekend. 

• In their 14 games as a top-10 team the Hoosiers are 11-3. 
• In their two games as a top-10 team against a ranked opponent the Hoosiers are 1-1. 
• In their one top-10 (and top-5) match-up the Hoosiers are 0-1. 

Title: Re: Big Ten Week Five
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 16, 2020, 11:13:24 PM

Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on November 16, 2020, 08:16:42 PM

And they hadn't beaten Michigan since 1987. 

It is actually much worse than that though.  From 1968-2019 they were:

• 1-39 against Michigan (the win was in 1987)
• 2-42-1 against Ohio State (the wins 1987 and 1988 and the tie was 1990)

 

IU is 12-76-5 all-time against Ohio State (0.156) but it is actually worse than that.  One third (four) of their wins came before Ohio State joined the league (1901, 1903, 1904, 1905) and fully half of their wins came prior to 1925. 

The Hoosiers won the 1924 game against Ohio State 12-7 in Columbus.  At that point they were 6-4-1 against the Buckeyes (0.591).  Since then they are 6-72-4 (0.098).  Oddly, the Hoosiers have fared marginally better against the Buckeyes in Columbus than at home.  Five of their six wins and three of the four ties since 1925 occurred in Columbus where they are 5-46-3 over that stretch (0.120) while they are just 1-26-1 at home (0.054). 
 

That's incredible. There was one "class" that went 2-1-1 vs OSU over their 4 years (87-90), and other than that they have lost every single game since 1968. That must have been some class. Who was in it?

That 1924 game was the first in "the Shoe" between those two teams, so indiana's record there would be 6-47-3, adding in that 1924 win along with the vactated 2010 loss; assuming that your record "since 1925" is correct (which I have no doubt that it is).

Title: Re: Big Ten Week Five
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on November 18, 2020, 01:09:16 PM

This week's games by current Power Ranking:

• #1 tOSU vs #3 IU
• #2 UW at #4 NU
• #5 PU at #9 MN
• #6 IA at #11 PSU
• #7 UMD vs #12 MSU
• #8 UNL vs #13 IL
• #10 M at #14 RU

Obviously the big B1G-E and B1G-W matchups of the last remaining undefeated teams in each division are the headline but I think that IA/PSU and M/RU are interesting as well.  I'm interested to see if PSU and Michigan have any fight left.  

Title: Re: Big Ten Week Five
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on November 18, 2020, 01:15:55 PM

Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on November 16, 2020, 11:13:24 PM

That's incredible. There was one "class" that went 2-1-1 vs OSU over their 4 years (87-90), and other than that they have lost every single game since 1968. That must have been some class. Who was in it?

That 1924 game was the first in "the Shoe" between those two teams, so indiana's record there would be 6-47-3, adding in that 1924 win along with the vactated 2010 loss; assuming that your record "since 1925" is correct (which I have no doubt that it is).

Those IU teams were pretty good and VERY good by Indiana's standards.  They went:

• 8-4 in 1987
• 8-3-1 in 1988
• 5-6 in 1989
• 6-5-1 in 1990
• 27-18-2 overall

However, there are two sides to the coin.  That was at the transition between Earle Bruce and John Cooper and those teams were horrible by Ohio State's standards.  They went:

• 6-4-1 in 1987
• 4-6-1 in 1988
• 8-4 in 1989
• 7-4-1 in 1990
• 25-18-3 overall

I don't need to look it up to tell you that is the last time a four-year class at IU did better than a four-year class at tOSU.  

Title: Re: Big Ten Week Five
Post by: MaximumSam on November 20, 2020, 07:02:26 AM

Scratch off Maryland MSU

Title: Re: Big Ten Week Five
Post by: Benthere2 on November 20, 2020, 04:45:02 PM

Quote from: FearlessF on November 16, 2020, 06:46:15 PM

Gophers with back to back Friday nights?

no wonder the boat is listing to port

Gophers are down 20 players for tonight's game!  a combo of COVID and injuries and Opt outs 

Title: Re: Big Ten Week Five
Post by: FearlessF on November 20, 2020, 07:01:56 PM

god bless them for putting a team on the field and competing 

I'm rooting for them tonight!

Title: Re: Big Ten Week Five
Post by: Hawkinole on November 22, 2020, 01:28:03 AM

Quote from: FearlessF on November 15, 2020, 05:13:58 PM

Fresh off its first win of the season, Nebraska will open preparation for its next game — an 11 a.m. matchup against Illinois in Lincoln — as a big favorite.

Oddsmakers released an opening line on Sunday morning, listing the Huskers as 14-point favorites over the Fighting Illini.

Both teams picked up their first wins of the season this past weekend. Nebraska went up early and then held on late to knock off Penn State 30-23, while Illinois kicked a last-second field goal to knock off Rutgers on the road for its first Big Ten win.

After reading the line, the Illinois game had to hurt. 
There is an article on ESPN longer than I have time to read every word of, about the fall from dominance by FSU, much of which I disagree with, but Nebraska has a similar fall, in a similar time-frame. It is coincidental that some of the best most exciting football ever played occurred between FSU and Nebraska.

Title: Re: Big Ten Week Five
Post by: FearlessF on November 22, 2020, 08:59:31 AM

Nebraska is not a good team.  I took Illinois and the points.

I was optimistic the Huskers could find a way to win, but.... not so much

Yes, I' lucky to have been a huge fan back in the 90's when the Noles and the Huskers were at their prime and  had some classic battles in some big games.

my first Husker home game was as a freshman at the home opener in Lincoln vs Florida St.

I attended the games there in 85 and 86

I was in the Orange Bowl when Bowden won his first MNC.