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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Abba on October 30, 2020, 08:35:58 PM
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Last year the East won the crossover battle against the West fairly decidedly. This year the East is off to an early 2-1 lead. There's only one crossover game this week, but MD is currently beating Minnesota 21-14. Time to chant 'Big Ten East' to the tune of S-E-C.
In all seriousness, it's looking like the East may be a bit stronger again this year. We will also get the chance for a final showdown between divisions at the end of the year.
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The Championship weekend being seven games instead of one is interesting.
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Might have been a bit premature.
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Hard to say only two weeks in. A healthy Wisconsin will help even things up.
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Wisconsin over Michigan
Nebraska over Penn State
Illinois over Rutgers
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Last year the East won the crossover battle against the West fairly decidedly.
I would double check that if I was you. people seem to make this mistake all the time.
In reality, every year since the East-west divisions were formed in 2014, except for 1 year 2017, the 2 divisions have always finished within 2 games of each other in cross-division records, and that includes counting the CCG.
Including 2019. The 2 divisions finished within 1 game of each other in the regular season. If you include the conference championship game, then the East won by 2 games. Look it up.
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And, the West always loses the championship game, which can be the rubber match that tips the scales to the East.
This year it looks like the West will win the regular season, but lose the championship game, again.
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And, the West always loses the championship game, which can be the rubber match that tips the scales to the East.
This year it looks like the West will win the regular season, but lose the championship game, again.
I wouldn't be so sure about that. It's 2020.
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And, the West always loses the championship game, which can be the rubber match that tips the scales to the East.
This year it looks like the West will win the regular season, but lose the championship game, again.
Assuming UW/tOSU land there I dunno we've seen Mertz go on a tear.Things are different not sure about tOSU's pass rush will be effective or if Mertz can stay that sharp.Will Mertz be consistently good in the pocket?How good will both teams ground games be this year?Both have decent backs but no 1st rounders that I've yet to see.Two squads that traditionally grind it out on the ground go up top.Hard to judge defenses with little to go on but right now Wisconsin sits at No 1 Nationally and tOSU at 34th.So alot of script flipping and uncertainties would make for a close contest IMO
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Really need to see how UW does in the House of Horrors that is Ryan Field this weekend.
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Ya,forgot about that you know Fitz is licking his chops.Where as the Buckeyes rotate parade rainers - MSU/Boilers/Iowa hell good thing Cinci has rotated out of the schedule as tOSU always has in state OCC contests
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If anyone else happened to see urban’s breakdown of the Indiana versus Ohio State matchup, then you know how highly he thinks of Indiana and that this will be a dogfight this weekend.
Everyone marvels at Indiana skill players, and rightly so, but he showed great video examples of just how good their office of an defense of lines are right now.
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Urban also spoke glowingly about both Wisconsin and Florida and called them both playoff caliber teams.
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If anyone else happened to see urban’s breakdown of the Indiana versus Ohio State matchup, then you know how highly he thinks of Indiana and that this will be a dogfight this weekend.
Everyone marvels at Indiana skill players, and rightly so, but he showed great video examples of just how good their office of an defense of lines are right now.
I'm taking the 20 points
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I'm inclined to agree but the wagering wars played me like a cheap violin
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If I hadn't bet against my Huskers last Saturday I would have hit a perfect 6 against the spread
Oh well, just $195 I really didn't need
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East wins:
West wins:
- NU>UMD
- IA>MSU
- UW>M
- UNL>PSU
- IL>RU
Games remaining:
- IA@PSU 11/21
- tOSU@IL 11/28
- NU@MSU 11/28
- RU@PU 11/28
- IU@UW 12/5
- PU@IU 12/12
- B1GCG 12/19
- B1G-E2 vs B1G-W2 12/19
- B1G-E3 vs B1G-W3 12/19
- B1G-E4 vs B1G-W4 12/19
- B1G-E5 vs B1G-W5 12/19
- B1G-E6 vs B1G-W6 12/19
- B1G-E7 vs B1G-W7 12/19
Cross-over games by team:
B1G-E:
- 1-0 tOSU with one more to play (Illinois)
- 0-0 IU (UW, PU)
- 1-1 UMD
- 1-1 M
- 0-1 PSU (Iowa)
- 0-1 MSU (NU)
- 0-1 RU (PU)
B1G-W:
- 1-0 NU (MSU)
- 1-0 IA (PSU)
- 1-0 UW (IU)
- 1-0 IL (tOSU)
- 0-0 PU (RU, IU)
- 1-1 UNL
- 0-2 MN
So the West is up 5-3 with six more games in the regular season. Right now the favorites would probably be IA, tOSU, NU, PU, UW, and IU. That would make it 9-5 in favor of the B1G-W.
Unless the B1G-W sweeps the rest of the regular season games, this will be decided in what they are calling "Big Ten Champions Week" the weekend of December 19. Even if the B1G-W sweeps the rest of the regular season games they would still only be up 11-3 with seven more to play so the B1G-E could get it back to 11-10 with a sweep there.
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Usually the West evens things out by fattening up on Indiana, Maryland and Rutgers, but this year they are also gorging on Penn St, Michigan St and Michigan.
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Unless the B1G-W sweeps the rest of the regular season games, this will be decided in what they are calling "Big Ten Champions Week" the weekend of December 19. Even if the B1G-W sweeps the rest of the regular season games they would still only be up 11-3 with seven more to play so the B1G-E could get it back to 11-10 with a sweep there.
I'd like to see Michigan vs Nebraska that weekend
seems possible
Huskers already played OSU and PSU
Maryland and Rutgers aren't preferred, MSU probably finish last
Played the Hoosiers in Lincoln last season and the Hoosiers probably finish #2 in the east
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Doesn't matter unless the West can win a CCG. It has yet to do that.
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If I hadn't bet against my Huskers last Saturday I would have hit a perfect 6 against the spread
Oh well, just $195 I really didn't need
send it this way I'll buy some Rauchbier and Power Ball Tickets
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Doesn't matter unless the West can win a CCG. It has yet to do that.
I believe MSU was in the west during Leaders/Legends when they beat tOSU.Going off memory so don't hold me to that
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Don't remind me about that debacle/plot to get an OSU/UM title game every year.
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I believe MSU was in the west during Leaders/Legends when they beat tOSU.Going off memory so don't hold me to that
Correction, they were in the "Where is Wisconsin?" division. :93:
Finally in 2014 they corrected their mistake.
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multiple mistakes made in 2020 that should have been corrected
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I'd like to see Michigan vs Nebraska that weekend
seems possible
Huskers already played OSU and PSU
Maryland and Rutgers aren't preferred, MSU probably finish last
Played the Hoosiers in Lincoln last season and the Hoosiers probably finish #2 in the east
Prediction for champions week
1. WISC-OSU
2. NW-Indy
3. Iowa-MD
4. Purdue-PSU
5. Neb-Mich
6. Minn-Rut
7. ILL-MSU
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Really need to see how UW does in the House of Horrors that is Ryan Field this weekend.
NU has a y-u-u-g-e advantage over UW in that NU plays in front of an opposing crowd at home. This year it will play only in front of moms and dads if they are allowed in the stadium. NU won't be intimidated. (I still expect UW to win, but NU relishes its disruptive role so, look out!)
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Yep, I'm not banking this one.
No fans allowed this year. Not even moms and dads. Governor said so.
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Prediction for champions week
1. WISC-OSU
2. NW-Indy
3. Iowa-MD
4. Purdue-PSU
5. Neb-Mich
6. Minn-Rut
7. ILL-MSU
perfect
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If anyone else happened to see urban’s breakdown of the Indiana versus Ohio State matchup, then you know how highly he thinks of Indiana and that this will be a dogfight this weekend.
Everyone marvels at Indiana skill players, and rightly so, but he showed great video examples of just how good their office of an defense of lines are right now.
My Office line needs whipped back into shape. This covid / working at home pandemic has got them all out of whack. Who even does supply runs anymore?!? ;)
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Yep, I'm not banking this one.
No fans allowed this year. Not even moms and dads. Governor said so.
Ohio has kicked out parents as well.
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Now the east holds a one-game lead which can end up in a tie if Purdue defeats Indiana next week.
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For championship week, I am guessing the Big Ten will match Ohio State against whomsoever Ohio State thinks will best enable them to go to CFB Playoff, since Barry Alvarez has stated today there should be a re-examination of the rules for who plays in the Big Ten Championship Game.
If Iowa loses to Wisconsin, and if Northwestern defeats Illinois, I am going to say Ohio State plays Northwestern.
And if Iowa defeats Wisconsin and Northwestern defeats Illinois, or if Northwestern loses to Illinois, I am guessing Ohio State will get to choose its opponent.
Barry Alvarez: Big Ten should let Buckeyes play in B1G Championship (usatoday.com) (https://buckeyeswire.usatoday.com/2020/12/02/barry-alvarez-ohio-state-should-play-big-ten-championship-game-coronavirus-covid19/)
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Now the east holds a one-game lead which can end up in a tie if Purdue defeats Indiana next week.
I see almost no chance of Purdue beating Indiana so the B1G-W should head into Champions weekend sitting on a two game lead.
Weird how it has worked out. The West started out on top snd looked like they were going to run away with it but then the B1G-E won a bunch of games they weren't expected to win.
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Actually as of today going into the final regular season week, it is tied between the East and West.
At one time the West had a 3 game week but the key week that turned things around was Thanksgiving week when MSU upset NW and Rutgers upset Purdue. Then this last week when Indy beat Wisconsin, that tied it all up.
Which means, unless there is some shuffling of games due to COVID, whoever wins the Indy-Purdue game will hold a 1 game lead going into champions week.You would think that Indy would beat Purdue, but its 2020 and you never know.
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IF I had to guess what the champions week matches would be, nothing is certain at this point, but oh well, I will try anyway
1. NW- OSU
2. Iowa-Indy
3. Wisc-MD
4. Minny-PSU
5. Neb-Rut
6. Pur-MSU
7. ILL-Mich
#2 spot in the West all depends on who wins Iowa/Wisc game this Sat.
#4 to #7 in the West is still up for grabs, where Neb, Minny, Purdue and ILL all could finish anywhere from #4 to #7 depending on what happens the final week.
#4 to #7 in the East is still up for grabs, where PSU, Rut, MSU, and Mich all could finish anywhere from #4 to #7 depending on what happens the final week.
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I'm not convinced they will stick to that. I still think they want the Axe game played, and since MSU-Maryland didn't play, they can avoid a rematch
Ohio State-Northwestern
Indiana-Iowa
Rutgers-Nebraska (Rutgers already played both Illinois and Purdue)
Penn State-Purdue (PSU beat UM, Purdue beat Illinois)
Michigan-Illinois
Michigan State-Maryland
Wisconsin-Minnesota
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for the Huskers and myself being selfish
I'd like #1. Michigan, #2 Michigan St., #3 Rutgers
I'll be OK with any of the 3
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Here is what I have (somebody correct me if I missed something):
B1G-E:
- 1-0 tOSU, beat UNL
- 1-0 IU, beat UW
- 1-1 UMD, beat MN, lost to NU
- 1-1 M, beat MN, lost to UW
- 1-1 MSU, beat NU, lost to IA
- 1-1 RU, beat PU, lost to IL
- 0-2 PSU, lost to UNL and IA
- 6-6 overall
B1G-W:
- 2-0 IA, beat MSU and PSU
- 1-0 IL, beat RU
- 1-1 UW, beat M, lost to IU
- 1-1 UNL, beat PSU, lost to tOSU
- 1-1 NU, beat UMD, lost to MSU
- 0-1 PU, lost to RU
- 0-2 MN, lost to M and UMD
- 6-6 overall
This weekend there are two intra-divisional games (UW/MN and MSU/UMD) leaving five inter-divisional games:
- CG: tOSU vs NU in Indy
- UNL at RU
- PU at IU
- IL at PSU
- M at IA
My guess:
B1G-E wins 9-8 overall with wins this weekend in Indy, Bloomington, and Happy Valley and B1G-W wins in Picastaway and Iowa City. That is REALLY close for the year as a whole.
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as usual
close win for the East
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as usual
close win for the East
Same ol' same ol'
The more things change, the more they remain the same.
But wait this is 2020! Which probably means NW will upset OSU and the West can finally claim victory!
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Same ol' same ol'
The more things change, the more they remain the same.
But wait this is 2020! Which probably means NW will upset OSU and the West can finally claim victory!
the league would kick out NW if they played hard enough to win
they are supposed to lose to give OSU the better chance to go to the playoffs
so for the betterment of the conference NW is supposed to lay down and take one for the other teams in the conference
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the old question
if Northwestern is playing well and threatening to win... do the zebras throw a few flags to help the Buckeyes?
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My guess:
B1G-E wins 9-8 overall with wins this weekend in Indy, Bloomington, and Happy Valley and B1G-W wins in Picastaway and Iowa City. That is REALLY close for the year as a whole.
I believe you are correct in counting out the tie between East and West, which I didn't do a good job at before. As for predictions for the final week, I will go with this:
E - Ohio State > Northwestern
E - Indiana > Purdue
E - Rutgers > Nebraska
E - Penn St > Illinois
W - Iowa > Michigan
E-4 > W-1
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the old question
if Northwestern is playing well and threatening to win... do the zebras throw a few flags to help the Buckeyes?
I don't think Northwestern will be a threat to win by midway through the 3rd Qtr. They have a defense to hang in there for a while, and while Indiana showed how vulnerable Ohio State can be on defense, Northwestern does not have that Indiana's offensive capability.
I have considered the premise of your question as it applies in big conference games. I recall a game about 5-years or so ago involving Iowa State and Texas that made me wonder if referees, whether consciously, or not, have motive to, and act, to help the conference get a team into a bigger game.
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I never believed in officials consciously trying to steer the outcome of a game until the Huskers were on their way out of the Big 12.
Now, you'll never get me to believe otherwise.. The end of the innocence
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I believe you are correct in counting out the tie between East and West, which I didn't do a good job at before. As for predictions for the final week, I will go with this:
E - Ohio State > Northwestern
E - Indiana > Purdue
E - Rutgers > Nebraska
E - Penn St > Illinois
W - Iowa > Michigan
E-4 > W-1
Well,
Indy-Purdue canceled
Iowa-Michigan cancelled
What's left?
E-3 > W-0
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can Nebraska/Rutgers move again to Saturday??
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Here is what I have (somebody correct me if I missed something):
B1G-E:
- 1-0 tOSU, beat UNL
- 1-0 IU, beat UW
- 1-1 UMD, beat MN, lost to NU
- 1-1 M, beat MN, lost to UW
- 1-1 MSU, beat NU, lost to IA
- 1-1 RU, beat PU, lost to IL
- 0-2 PSU, lost to UNL and IA
- 6-6 overall
B1G-W:
- 2-0 IA, beat MSU and PSU
- 1-0 IL, beat RU
- 1-1 UW, beat M, lost to IU
- 1-1 UNL, beat PSU, lost to tOSU
- 1-1 NU, beat UMD, lost to MSU
- 0-1 PU, lost to RU
- 0-2 MN, lost to M and UMD
- 6-6 overall
So they were tied 6-6 heading into this past weekend then:
- UNL>RU made it 7-6 W
- tOSU>NU made it 7-7
- PSU>IL made it 8-7 in favor of the B1G-E
Close, really close.
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So they were tied 6-6 heading into this past weekend then:
- UNL>RU made it 7-6 W
- tOSU>NU made it 7-7
- PSU>IL made it 8-7 in favor of the B1G-E
Close, really close.
East wins by 1 game AGAIN
Difference is the CCG. AGAIN