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Title: Big Ten East v West
Post by: Abba on October 30, 2020, 08:35:58 PM
Last year the East won the crossover battle against the West fairly decidedly.  This year the East is off to an early 2-1 lead.  There's only one crossover game this week, but MD is currently beating Minnesota 21-14.  Time to chant 'Big Ten East' to the tune of S-E-C.

In all seriousness, it's looking like the East may be a bit stronger again this year.  We will also get the chance for a final showdown between divisions at the end of the year.
Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on October 31, 2020, 11:05:08 PM
The Championship weekend being seven games instead of one is interesting. 
Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: Cincydawg on November 01, 2020, 06:04:05 AM
Might have been a bit premature.
Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: Temp430 on November 01, 2020, 07:36:08 AM
Hard to say only two weeks in. A healthy Wisconsin will help even things up.
Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: FearlessF on November 17, 2020, 09:39:15 PM
Wisconsin over Michigan

Nebraska over Penn State

Illinois over Rutgers
Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: LittlePig on November 17, 2020, 10:51:27 PM
Last year the East won the crossover battle against the West fairly decidedly.

I would double check that if I was you.  people seem to make this mistake all the time.

In reality, every year since the East-west divisions were formed in 2014, except for 1 year 2017,  the 2 divisions have always finished within 2 games of each other in cross-division records, and that includes counting the CCG.

Including 2019.  The 2 divisions finished within 1 game of each other in the regular season.  If you include the conference championship game,  then the East won by 2 games.    Look it up.
Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: Hawkinole on November 18, 2020, 12:35:03 AM
And, the West always loses the championship game, which can be the rubber match that tips the scales to the East.
This year it looks like the West will win the regular season, but lose the championship game, again.
Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 18, 2020, 06:23:32 AM
And, the West always loses the championship game, which can be the rubber match that tips the scales to the East.
This year it looks like the West will win the regular season, but lose the championship game, again.
I wouldn't be so sure about that. It's 2020.
Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: MrNubbz on November 18, 2020, 08:15:52 AM
And, the West always loses the championship game, which can be the rubber match that tips the scales to the East.
This year it looks like the West will win the regular season, but lose the championship game, again.
Assuming UW/tOSU land there I dunno we've seen Mertz go on a tear.Things are different not sure about tOSU's pass rush will be effective or if Mertz can stay that sharp.Will Mertz be consistently good in the pocket?How good will both teams ground games be this year?Both have decent backs but no 1st rounders that I've yet to see.Two squads that traditionally grind it out on the ground go up top.Hard to judge defenses with little to go on but right now Wisconsin sits at No 1 Nationally and tOSU at 34th.So alot of script flipping and uncertainties would make for a close contest IMO
Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 18, 2020, 08:18:37 AM
Really need to see how UW does in the House of Horrors that is Ryan Field this weekend.
Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: MrNubbz on November 18, 2020, 08:24:04 AM
Ya,forgot about that you know Fitz is licking his chops.Where as the Buckeyes rotate parade rainers - MSU/Boilers/Iowa hell good thing Cinci has rotated out of the schedule as tOSU always has in state OCC contests
Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: Honestbuckeye on November 18, 2020, 08:31:15 AM
If anyone else happened to see urban’s breakdown of the Indiana versus Ohio State matchup, then you know how highly he thinks of Indiana and that this will be a dogfight this weekend.

Everyone marvels at Indiana skill players, and rightly so, but he showed great video examples of just how good their office of an defense of lines are right now.
Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: Honestbuckeye on November 18, 2020, 08:31:49 AM
Urban also spoke glowingly about both Wisconsin and Florida and called them both playoff caliber teams.
Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: FearlessF on November 18, 2020, 10:46:57 AM
If anyone else happened to see urban’s breakdown of the Indiana versus Ohio State matchup, then you know how highly he thinks of Indiana and that this will be a dogfight this weekend.

Everyone marvels at Indiana skill players, and rightly so, but he showed great video examples of just how good their office of an defense of lines are right now.
I'm taking the 20 points
Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: MrNubbz on November 18, 2020, 11:07:48 AM
I'm inclined to agree but the wagering wars played me like a cheap violin
Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: FearlessF on November 18, 2020, 11:16:22 AM
If I hadn't bet against my Huskers last Saturday I would have hit a perfect 6 against the spread

Oh well, just $195 I really didn't need
Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on November 18, 2020, 11:30:00 AM
East wins:




West wins:



Games remaining:


Cross-over games by team:
B1G-E:
B1G-W:
So the West is up 5-3 with six more games in the regular season.  Right now the favorites would probably be IA, tOSU, NU, PU, UW, and IU.  That would make it 9-5 in favor of the B1G-W.  

Unless the B1G-W sweeps the rest of the regular season games, this will be decided in what they are calling "Big Ten Champions Week" the weekend of December 19.  Even if the B1G-W sweeps the rest of the regular season games they would still only be up 11-3 with seven more to play so the B1G-E could get it back to 11-10 with a sweep there.  

Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 18, 2020, 11:38:23 AM
Usually the West evens things out by fattening up on Indiana, Maryland and Rutgers, but this year they are also gorging on Penn St, Michigan St and Michigan. 
Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: FearlessF on November 18, 2020, 12:10:56 PM
Unless the B1G-W sweeps the rest of the regular season games, this will be decided in what they are calling "Big Ten Champions Week" the weekend of December 19.  Even if the B1G-W sweeps the rest of the regular season games they would still only be up 11-3 with seven more to play so the B1G-E could get it back to 11-10 with a sweep there. 


I'd like to see Michigan vs Nebraska that weekend

seems possible

Huskers already played OSU and PSU

Maryland and Rutgers aren't preferred, MSU probably finish last
Played the Hoosiers in Lincoln last season and the Hoosiers probably finish #2 in the east
Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 18, 2020, 12:16:25 PM
Doesn't matter unless the West can win a CCG. It has yet to do that.
Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: MrNubbz on November 18, 2020, 12:31:42 PM
If I hadn't bet against my Huskers last Saturday I would have hit a perfect 6 against the spread

Oh well, just $195 I really didn't need
send it this way I'll buy some Rauchbier and Power Ball Tickets 
Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: MrNubbz on November 18, 2020, 12:33:30 PM
Doesn't matter unless the West can win a CCG. It has yet to do that.
I believe MSU was in the west during Leaders/Legends when they beat tOSU.Going off memory so don't hold me to that
Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 18, 2020, 12:37:34 PM
Don't remind me about that debacle/plot to get an OSU/UM title game every year.
Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: Abba on November 18, 2020, 12:55:32 PM
I believe MSU was in the west during Leaders/Legends when they beat tOSU.Going off memory so don't hold me to that
Correction, they were in the "Where is Wisconsin?" division.  :93:

Finally in 2014 they corrected their mistake.
Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: FearlessF on November 18, 2020, 01:04:24 PM
multiple mistakes made in 2020 that should have been corrected
Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: LittlePig on November 18, 2020, 08:40:46 PM
I'd like to see Michigan vs Nebraska that weekend

seems possible

Huskers already played OSU and PSU

Maryland and Rutgers aren't preferred, MSU probably finish last
Played the Hoosiers in Lincoln last season and the Hoosiers probably finish #2 in the east

Prediction for champions week

1.  WISC-OSU
2.  NW-Indy
3.  Iowa-MD
4.  Purdue-PSU
5.  Neb-Mich
6.  Minn-Rut
7.  ILL-MSU
Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: Hawkinole on November 19, 2020, 12:50:54 AM
Really need to see how UW does in the House of Horrors that is Ryan Field this weekend.
NU has a y-u-u-g-e advantage over UW in that NU plays in front of an opposing crowd at home. This year it will play only in front of moms and dads if they are allowed in the stadium. NU won't be intimidated. (I still expect UW to win, but NU relishes its disruptive role so, look out!)
Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 19, 2020, 07:51:03 AM
Yep, I'm not banking this one.

No fans allowed this year. Not even moms and dads. Governor said so. 
Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: FearlessF on November 19, 2020, 10:16:24 AM
Prediction for champions week

1.  WISC-OSU
2.  NW-Indy
3.  Iowa-MD
4.  Purdue-PSU
5.  Neb-Mich
6.  Minn-Rut
7.  ILL-MSU

perfect
Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: TyphonInc on November 19, 2020, 01:35:03 PM
If anyone else happened to see urban’s breakdown of the Indiana versus Ohio State matchup, then you know how highly he thinks of Indiana and that this will be a dogfight this weekend.

Everyone marvels at Indiana skill players, and rightly so, but he showed great video examples of just how good their office of an defense of lines are right now.
My Office line needs whipped back into shape. This covid / working at home pandemic has got them all out of whack. Who even does supply runs anymore?!? ;)
Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: TyphonInc on November 19, 2020, 01:38:51 PM
Yep, I'm not banking this one.

No fans allowed this year. Not even moms and dads. Governor said so.

Ohio has kicked out parents as well.
Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: Hawkinole on December 05, 2020, 11:21:03 PM
Now the east holds a one-game lead which can end up in a tie if Purdue defeats Indiana next week.
Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: Hawkinole on December 05, 2020, 11:27:39 PM
For championship week, I am guessing the Big Ten will match Ohio State against whomsoever Ohio State thinks will best enable them to go to CFB Playoff, since Barry Alvarez has stated today there should be a re-examination of the rules for who plays in the Big Ten Championship Game. 
If Iowa loses to Wisconsin, and if Northwestern defeats Illinois, I am going to say Ohio State plays Northwestern.
And if Iowa defeats Wisconsin and Northwestern defeats Illinois, or if Northwestern loses to Illinois, I am guessing Ohio State will get to choose its opponent.
Barry Alvarez: Big Ten should let Buckeyes play in B1G Championship (usatoday.com) (https://buckeyeswire.usatoday.com/2020/12/02/barry-alvarez-ohio-state-should-play-big-ten-championship-game-coronavirus-covid19/)
Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on December 05, 2020, 11:50:54 PM
Now the east holds a one-game lead which can end up in a tie if Purdue defeats Indiana next week.
I see almost no chance of Purdue beating Indiana so the B1G-W should head into Champions weekend sitting on a two game lead.

Weird how it has worked out. The West started out on top snd looked like they were going to run away with it but then the B1G-E won a bunch of games they weren't expected to win.
Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: LittlePig on December 06, 2020, 07:29:29 AM
Actually as of today going into the final regular season week, it is tied between the East and West.

At one time the West had a 3 game week but the key week that turned things around was Thanksgiving week when MSU upset NW and Rutgers upset Purdue.  Then this last week when Indy beat Wisconsin,  that tied it all up.

Which means, unless there is some shuffling of games due to COVID, whoever wins the Indy-Purdue game will hold a 1 game lead going into champions week.You would think that Indy would beat Purdue, but its 2020 and you never know.
Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: LittlePig on December 07, 2020, 10:15:14 AM
IF I had to guess what the champions week matches would be,  nothing is certain at this point, but oh well, I will try anyway

1.  NW- OSU
2.  Iowa-Indy
3.  Wisc-MD
4.  Minny-PSU
5.  Neb-Rut
6.  Pur-MSU
7.  ILL-Mich

#2 spot in the West all depends on who wins Iowa/Wisc game this Sat.

#4 to #7 in the West is still up for grabs, where Neb, Minny, Purdue and ILL all could finish anywhere from #4 to #7 depending on what happens the final week.

#4 to #7 in the East is still up for grabs, where PSU, Rut, MSU, and Mich all could finish anywhere from #4 to #7 depending on what happens the final week.

Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: ELA on December 07, 2020, 10:33:18 AM
I'm not convinced they will stick to that.  I still think they want the Axe game played, and since MSU-Maryland didn't play, they can avoid a rematch

Ohio State-Northwestern
Indiana-Iowa
Rutgers-Nebraska (Rutgers already played both Illinois and Purdue)
Penn State-Purdue (PSU beat UM, Purdue beat Illinois)
Michigan-Illinois

Michigan State-Maryland
Wisconsin-Minnesota
Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: FearlessF on December 07, 2020, 12:12:27 PM
for the Huskers and myself being selfish

I'd like #1. Michigan, #2 Michigan St., #3 Rutgers

I'll be OK with any of the 3
Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on December 14, 2020, 05:25:26 PM
Here is what I have (somebody correct me if I missed something):
B1G-E:

B1G-W:

This weekend there are two intra-divisional games (UW/MN and MSU/UMD) leaving five inter-divisional games:

My guess:
B1G-E wins 9-8 overall with wins this weekend in Indy, Bloomington, and Happy Valley and B1G-W wins in Picastaway and Iowa City.  That is REALLY close for the year as a whole.  

Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: FearlessF on December 14, 2020, 07:14:07 PM
as usual

close win for the East
Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: LittlePig on December 14, 2020, 08:20:17 PM
as usual

close win for the East
Same ol' same ol'

The more things change,  the more they remain the same.

But wait this is 2020!  Which probably means NW will upset OSU and the West can finally claim victory!
Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: Benthere2 on December 14, 2020, 11:44:23 PM
Same ol' same ol'

The more things change,  the more they remain the same.

But wait this is 2020!  Which probably means NW will upset OSU and the West can finally claim victory!
the league would kick out NW if they played hard enough to win 
they are supposed to lose to give OSU the better chance to go to the playoffs 
so for the betterment of the conference NW is supposed to lay down and take one for the other teams in the conference
Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: FearlessF on December 14, 2020, 11:48:09 PM
the old question

if Northwestern is playing well and threatening to win... do the zebras throw a few flags to help the Buckeyes?
Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: Hawkinole on December 15, 2020, 12:35:57 AM




My guess:
B1G-E wins 9-8 overall with wins this weekend in Indy, Bloomington, and Happy Valley and B1G-W wins in Picastaway and Iowa City.  That is REALLY close for the year as a whole. 


I believe you are correct in counting out the tie between East and West, which I didn't do a good job at before. As for predictions for the final week, I will go with this:

E - Ohio State > Northwestern
E - Indiana > Purdue
E - Rutgers > Nebraska
E - Penn St > Illinois
W - Iowa > Michigan

E-4 > W-1
Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: Hawkinole on December 15, 2020, 12:52:36 AM
the old question

if Northwestern is playing well and threatening to win... do the zebras throw a few flags to help the Buckeyes?
I don't think Northwestern will be a threat to win by midway through the 3rd Qtr. They have a defense to hang in there for a while, and while Indiana showed how vulnerable Ohio State can be on defense, Northwestern does not have that Indiana's offensive capability. 
I have considered the premise of your question as it applies in big conference games. I recall a game about 5-years or so ago involving Iowa State and Texas that made me wonder if referees, whether consciously, or not, have motive to, and act, to help the conference get a team into a bigger game.
Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: FearlessF on December 15, 2020, 10:39:49 AM
I never believed in officials consciously trying to steer the outcome of a game until the Huskers were on their way out of the Big 12.

Now, you'll never get me to believe otherwise.. The end of the innocence 
Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: LittlePig on December 15, 2020, 04:53:39 PM
I believe you are correct in counting out the tie between East and West, which I didn't do a good job at before. As for predictions for the final week, I will go with this:

E - Ohio State > Northwestern
E - Indiana > Purdue
E - Rutgers > Nebraska
E - Penn St > Illinois
W - Iowa > Michigan

E-4 > W-1

Well,
Indy-Purdue canceled
Iowa-Michigan cancelled

What's left?
E-3 > W-0
Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: FearlessF on December 15, 2020, 04:56:47 PM
can Nebraska/Rutgers move again to Saturday??
Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on December 21, 2020, 05:37:38 PM
Here is what I have (somebody correct me if I missed something):
B1G-E:
  • 1-0 tOSU, beat UNL
  • 1-0 IU, beat UW
  • 1-1 UMD, beat MN, lost to NU
  • 1-1 M, beat MN, lost to UW
  • 1-1 MSU, beat NU, lost to IA
  • 1-1 RU, beat PU, lost to IL
  • 0-2 PSU, lost to UNL and IA
  • 6-6 overall
B1G-W:
  • 2-0 IA, beat MSU and PSU
  • 1-0 IL, beat RU
  • 1-1 UW, beat M, lost to IU
  • 1-1 UNL, beat PSU, lost to tOSU
  • 1-1 NU, beat UMD, lost to MSU
  • 0-1 PU, lost to RU
  • 0-2 MN, lost to M and UMD
  • 6-6 overall
So they were tied 6-6 heading into this past weekend then:

Close, really close.  

Title: Re: Big Ten East v West
Post by: LittlePig on December 21, 2020, 07:48:38 PM
So they were tied 6-6 heading into this past weekend then:
  • UNL>RU made it 7-6 W
  • tOSU>NU made it 7-7
  • PSU>IL made it 8-7 in favor of the B1G-E

Close, really close. 


East wins by 1 game AGAIN

Difference is the CCG. AGAIN