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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: MaximumSam on October 25, 2020, 08:49:16 AM
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Trying something new, a thread for the games to lead up to the actual games.
Friday
Minnesota at Maryland, 7:30, ESPN
Minnesota probably needs a get right game after getting rolled by Michigan. Maryland is just what the doctor ordered.
Saturday
Noon
MSU at Michigan, FOX - Sparty already in a hole and this doesn't look like a game made to stop the digging.
Purdue at Illinois, BTN - Purdue with a shot at 2-0. Lovie going to find himself out the door if the Illini don't look competitive.
3:30
Wisconsin at Nebraska, FS1 - Things not getting much easier for the Huskers.
Indiana at Rutgers, BTN - Battle of first place teams in the B1G East
NW at Iowa, ESPN - Gonna see how legit Northwestern is, and where Iowa's heads are
7:30
OSU at PSU, ABC - Should be a heck of a game, Lions desperate for a win
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Indiana at Rutgers, BTN - Battle of first place teams in the B1G East
This is both true and shocking.
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Trying something new, a thread for the games to lead up to the actual games.
Friday
Minnesota at Maryland, 7:30, ESPN
Minnesota probably needs a get right game after getting rolled by Michigan. Maryland is just what the doctor ordered.
Saturday
Noon
MSU at Michigan, FOX - Sparty already in a hole and this doesn't look like a game made to stop the digging.
Purdue at Illinois, BTN - Purdue with a shot at 2-0. Lovie going to find himself out the door if the Illini don't look competitive.
3:30
Wisconsin at Nebraska, FS1 - Things not getting much easier for the Huskers.
Indiana at Rutgers, BTN - Battle of first place teams in the B1G East
NW at Iowa, ESPN - Gonna see how legit Northwestern is, and where Iowa's heads are
7:30
OSU at PSU, ABC - Should be a heck of a game, Lions desperate for a win
Minnesota
Michigan
Illinois (upset)
Wisconsin
Indiana
NU
OSU
Minnesota could also lay an egg here. It would not shock me. All of Kill's/Claeys guys are gone on defense. They are not ELITE.
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Fleck You ;D.Not sure how good PJ recruits but the kicking game or lack there of killed the gophs yesterday
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He's a clown.
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Fleck You ;D.Not sure how good PJ recruits but the kicking game or lack there of killed the gophs yesterday
special teams killed the Huskers last season
there was some improvement yesterday, but not much
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As always it is difficult to get a thorough read from the one game and especially this year given all of the cupcakes were off the schedule.
Secondly these teams did not have any recent film on each other so there were some big plays that were quite well schemed for a long time but won’t carry over to the ongoing schedule.
I was impressed by newcomers Mertz, Milton, McCaffery and several OSU receivers. Also- Barrett on Michigan’s defense looked great.
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7:30
OSU at PSU, ABC - Should be a heck of a game, Lions desperate for a win
Weird to think of game #2 as a "must win" situation but I think that it pretty much is for Penn State.
Yesterday morning they were #8 and looking like they had a great chance to win the division with tOSU at home.
Now they are #18. If they lose Saturday night they'll be 0-2, likely unranked, and effectively (albeit not mathematically) eliminated from B1G-E contention.
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The Huskers open as 9-point underdogs to Wisconsin
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I need to learn how to sports gamble, now that I have Nevada casino access.
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Seeing some Graham Mertz positive for covid chatter on Twitter
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Appearing on news sites too.
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line might drop to Badgers by 7.5
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If Mertz and Coan can't go, who will be the QB?
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He's a clown.
you are a clown
your hate is getting old
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He's a clown.
You're from Chicago. Bozo entertained us for decades. Who's to say PJ won't do the same lol?
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Seeing some Graham Mertz positive for covid chatter on Twitter
Maybe coach Chryst should lead by example and wear his mask correctly (note a lot of big ten coaches failed to wear their masks correctly)
Michigan had a player vomit on the field(2x) and still would not leave the field????? why??? this is not the year to skip protocols
Mr Frost wasn't wearing a mask a majority of the game?
if this season goes without some major FUBARs it would be a miracle (like your whole kicking room affected by Covid and injury) Maybe if truly compliant you will see a team without many QB's out for 3 weeks- but I will bet money there was a false positive in Madison
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Trying something new, a thread for the games to lead up to the actual games.
Friday
Minnesota at Maryland, 7:30, ESPN
Minnesota probably needs a get right game after getting rolled by Michigan. Maryland is just what the doctor ordered.
Saturday
Noon
MSU at Michigan, FOX - Sparty already in a hole and this doesn't look like a game made to stop the digging.
Purdue at Illinois, BTN - Purdue with a shot at 2-0. Lovie going to find himself out the door if the Illini don't look competitive.
3:30
Wisconsin at Nebraska, FS1 - Things not getting much easier for the Huskers.
Indiana at Rutgers, BTN - Battle of first place teams in the B1G East
NW at Iowa, ESPN - Gonna see how legit Northwestern is, and where Iowa's heads are
7:30
OSU at PSU, ABC - Should be a heck of a game, Lions desperate for a win
Maryland - just because they have home field advantage.
MSU - Michigan hasn’t really impressed me much all season, and we all know the collapse is coming.
Purdue - because we’re awesome.
Nebraska - tough place to play for road teams in October. If this game were a day later, I might change my mind.
Rutgers - Indiana has 1 win all season and they think they’re OSU.
Iowa - probably the 2nd toughest team in the B1G right now.
PSU - OSU is desperately missing Urban Meyer’s leadership and discipline.
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Maryland - just because they have home field advantage.
MSU - Michigan hasn’t really impressed me much all season, and we all know the collapse is coming.
Purdue - because we’re awesome.
Nebraska - tough place to play for road teams in October. If this game were a day later, I might change my mind.
Rutgers - Indiana has 1 win all season and they think they’re OSU.
Iowa - probably the 2nd toughest team in the B1G right now.
PSU - OSU is desperately missing Urban Meyer’s leadership and discipline.
Nice job sir
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Maryland - just because they have home field advantage.
MSU - Michigan hasn’t really impressed me much all season, and we all know the collapse is coming.
Purdue - because we’re awesome.
Nebraska - tough place to play for road teams in October. If this game were a day later, I might change my mind.
Rutgers - Indiana has 1 win all season and they think they’re OSU.
Iowa - probably the 2nd toughest team in the B1G right now.
PSU - OSU is desperately missing Urban Meyer’s leadership and discipline.
I think we have found our replacement for McTwerps in the power rankings thread.
https://www.cfb51.com/big-ten/b1g-power-rankings-week-1-18067/
Medina's gonna be like
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BiodegradableVelvetyAnglerfish-size_restricted.gif)
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that's gonna leave a mark
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Michigan had a player vomit on the field(2x) and still would not leave the field????? why???
Minnesota has been poisoning the drinking water in this contest for 117 years.
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you are a clown
your hate is getting old
Thanks for the insult. I just know a clown when I see a clown.
(https://i.imgur.com/mF8qpxO.jpg)
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If Mertz and Coan can't go, who will be the QB?
Chase Wolf.
If Mertz is really positive, there's gonna be a lotta kids positive. Huddle and stuff. There may not be a game in Lincoln this weekend.
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You're from Chicago. Bozo entertained us for decades. Who's to say PJ won't do the same lol?
I'm always entertained by revered coaches with empty rivalry trophy cases and rings like this:
(https://i.imgur.com/gAhJaCf.png)
I mean, who does this???
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I'm always entertained by revered coaches with empty rivalry trophy cases and rings like this:
(https://i.imgur.com/gAhJaCf.png)
I mean, who does this???
As a somewhat neutral somewhat outsider, I see both sides of this.
I think that @847badgerfan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=5) has a point: What has Fleck accomplished as a coach?
- GA on the tOSU staff in 2006 when the Buckeyes went 12-1
- WR coach at N. IL in 2007-2008
- WR coach / Recruiting coordinator for N. IL in 2009
- WR coach at Rutgers in 2010-2011
- WR coach in the NFL (Tampa) in 2012
Those are all as an assistant, obviously. Lets not dive into those because even if we agreed that his position group was phenomenal or sucked we could still argue over whether it was his fault or the HC's or whether it was to his credit or the HC.
P.J. Fleck as a HC:
- 1-11 at WMU in 2013
- 8-5 at WMU in 2014
- 8-5 at WMU in 2015
- 13-1 at WMU in 2016 - finished ranked #15
- 5-7 at Minnesota in 2017
- 7-6 at Minnesota in 2018
- 11-2 at Minnesota in 2019 - finished ranked #10
At Minnesota he is:
- 1-2 against Wisconsin
- 0-3 against Iowa
And he has an Outback Bowl and a Quick Lane Bowl win.
I get where Badge is coming from. That isn't really all that impressive. He is just 1-5 in his biggest rivalries (IA, UW) and his bowl wins are a meh win over Auburn in the Outback Bowl and a meh bowl that nobody cares about in Detroit over GaTech.
OTOH, I can also see @Benthere2 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=36) 's side of things. Badge has been disparaging this hire since before it was even official and Fleck's accomplishments as a HC need to be viewed in context. He is the coach of Minnesota not Ohio State.
- His highest ranking is #7 and his highest final rank is #10 and both of those are the highest for Minnesota in nearly 60 years.
- His WMU teams were ranked 10 times and got as high as #12 and Western Michigan has NEVER been ranked under any other coach before or since.
- Minnesota's 11 wins in 2019 are their most since 1904 when their opponents included Twin Cities Central High, So Dak, Carleton, No Dak, Lawrence, Shattuck, and St Thomas.
- Prior to Fleck, Minnesota hadn't finished with just two losses since their last league Championship in 1967 and the last time Minnesota finished a season with less than two losses the final win was a 41-6 blowout of Wisconsin almost exactly two weeks before Pearl Harbor
He hasn't exactly set the world on fire but he did more at WMU than any other HC EVER and he has done more at Minnesota than any coach since before the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor. I used that reference because my point is that it isn't over. Lets see how he does over time. In retrospect 2019 may appear to be a flash in the pan of no significance or maybe P.J. Fleck will be Minnesota's Barry Alvarez. I'm not in either of those camps, I just think that it is far too early to tell.
I'll leave you with the clip from the reference I made above:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8lT1o0sDwI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8lT1o0sDwI)
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His lone win against UW was against UW's worst team since 2007. He may win again this year. It's 2020 and all that.
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His lone win against UW was against UW's worst team since 2007. He may win again this year. It's 2020 and all that.
Ok, but his lone win against UW was Minnesota's lone win against Wisconsin since 2003.
I have a hard time holding "not beating UW" against the coach of a program that had lost 13 straight to UW before he arrived.
As you well know, Barry Alvarez arrived in Madison in 1990. Prior to that UW and MN had generally been relative equals for decades because they generally both sucked. Alvarez went 2-3 in his first five against the Gophers. Since then the Badgers have dominated the series to the tune of 22-3 from 1995-2019.
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Thanks for the insult. I just know a clown when I see a clown.
(https://i.imgur.com/mF8qpxO.jpg)
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I know this is tough for a Chicago person to under stand so I will hopefully put this clearly
your definition of a clown is someone who has passion, believes in a something outside of football, and has a Mantra to make fun of (RTB)
“First and foremost, Row the Boat has nothing to do with wins or football. It’s a never-give-up mantra.”
But where did it come from?
On Feb. 9, 2011, Fleck lost his second son, Colt, to a heart condition. Row the Boat originated after his son passed away.
“As you hold your son as he passes away, your whole life changes. What you believe in, how you’ve believed in it, what you’ve done to that point, where you’re going to go and how you’re going to live your life all changes. But Row the Boat is really my second son’s life as I continue to live his life for him. It’s his life."
Have you ever lost a Son/Daughter? have you had to question everything in your life and pick yourself up? do you have the energy to live after a child is taken away at a young age?
Please stop your hate for a guy that has gone through more than most people have ever had to and has the courage to get up everyday and be positive and live a life for his Son, full of energy.
is your constant beratement for Coach Fleck due to him having some success or the fact you have no idea what makes this guy so energetic?
people say its fake but really can a person fake that energy for 8+years and continues to do so when there are people like you calling him a clown every chance they get.
you don't have to love him, you don't have to respect him, but please stop hating a guy for living the best way he can for a deceased Son
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His lone win against UW was against UW's worst team since 2007. He may win again this year. It's 2020 and all that.
we are sorry we won that game
next time you have a sub par team we will wait until you have a better team? in fact if we ever win again we will just forfeit back afterwards and say "Wisconsin had a bad team this year its not fair to beat them"
how many of those 15 wins were against Brewster's dump of a team where he changed coordinators every year he was coach? I mean all the history is not Flecks history
and I get the rivalry has been lopsided
maybe your hate comes form the fact you are worried PJ will bring legitimacy back to the games and you might have to get used to us winning our games more than you are used to?
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OTOH, I can also see @Benthere2 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=36) 's side of things. Badge has been disparaging this hire since before it was even official and Fleck's accomplishments as a HC need to be viewed in context. He is the coach of Minnesota not Ohio State.
to be fair, Badge has been disparaging the Gophers forever, long before Fleck was relevant.
Fleck just acts a bit silly and draws attention to himself, seems to have a big ego.
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I liked Jerry Kill. And I respect the Gophers as UW's biggest rival. I also enjoy making fun of them.
You know, like "Becky" and "Better Dead Than Red" and such. It's natural. Chill out man.
I'm aware of the Fleck story. I don't approve of plastering it all over the place on team gear. It is all about self promotion and the message is lost.
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This isn't Axe week. I guess the Pack and Vikes are playing this weekend.
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Week two match-ups by (tentative) Power Rankings (https://www.cfb51.com/big-ten/b1g-power-rankings-week-1-18067/):
- #1 tOSU AT #5 PSU
- #2 UW AT #10 UNL
- #3 M vs #13 MSU
- #4 IU AT #11 RU
- #6 NU AT #9 Iowa
- #7 PU AT #12 IL
- #8 MN AT #14 UMD
In six of the seven games the higher ranked team is on the road. That could lead to some wacky results.
#1 tOSU @ #5 PSU:
Penn State's loss in Bloomington took some of the luster off of what was projected to be a #1 vs #2 game in Happy Valley this week, but that still looks to be easily the biggest game of the weekend since only NU/IA features teams ranked closer together.
A loss for Penn State effectively eliminates them from B1G-E contention. They'd be two games down on tOSU and the IU/RU winner and they would have almost no chance to catch up.
#2 UW @ #10 UNL:
This game should give us a much clearer picture not only of these two teams but also of the teams that they played last week (IL and tOSU). If UW throttles UNL that looks good for IL and bad for tOSU. If the game is close or UNL wins that looks good for tOSU and bad for IL.
#3 M vs #13 MSU:
Based on our rankings this is the most lopsided match-up of the weekend and it is also the only game in which the higher ranked team is at home. Michigan should cruise even if MSU fixes a lot.
#6 NU @ #9 Iowa:
Iowa is in a similar situation to PSU. A loss would practically eliminate them from B1G-W contention.
#7 PU @ #12 IL:
Can Purdue sustain momentum and take it on the road? Can Illinois get off the mat?
#8 MN @ #14 UMD:
The key issue for both teams, I think, is getting past last week. The winner might just be the team that doesn't let M/NU beat them twice.
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Minnesota rights the row boat.
Michigan beats Sparty but it’ll be closer than expected. Sparty always gives Michigan their best shot.
Purdue in a close game. Wisconsin made Illinois look worse than they are.
Indiana’s mojo from last weekend > Rutgers’.
Wisconsin. But Nebraska has improved so the Badgers will need to pass the ball at least a little bit.
NW @ Iowa. Don’t have a clue what happens in an empty Kinnick.
Ohio State. But I’ll be pulling for the Nitts to beat those dirty bastards.
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So the backup QB for Wiscy also tested positive?
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Would make sense, since they were closely talking on the sideline.
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Redshirt junior Danny Vanden Boom likely would be the next quarterback in line if both Mertz and Wolf are out. After Nebraska, Wisconsin hosts Purdue before visiting No. 13 Michigan. Vanden Boom appeared in three games in 2018, completing the only pass he attempted for a 3-yard touchdown.
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Need to get the run game going.
Might not be a game, however. There are 9 positives (for now) and the threshold the B1G put in place is <5%. 9 out of 115 would be higher than 5%, assuming they are all confirmed positive. And if that were the case, Wisconsin would not play a game for 3 weeks.
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Chase Wolf.
If Mertz is really positive, there's gonna be a lotta kids positive. Huddle and stuff. There may not be a game in Lincoln this weekend.
[QB] 10/27/2020 - Chase Wolf is "?" Saturday vs Nebraska ( COVID-19 )
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Need to get the run game going.
Might not be a game, however. There are 9 positives (for now) and the threshold the B1G put in place is <5%. 9 out of 115 would be higher than 5%, assuming they are all confirmed positive. And if that were the case, Wisconsin would not play a game for 3 weeks.
I'm a little fuzzy on that rule - while the players wouldn't play for 21 days, I know the program has to pause at over 5 percent, but I'm not yet clear that the program has to pause for 21 days.
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How Michigan plays Michigan State will tell me a lot about how this team/season plays out.
It’s a very young team that is probably feeling itself after smacking a ranked team on the road at night. And honestly, they missed 3 easily makeable FG’s, dropped a surefire TD, and were a trip-up/shoestring away from some more explosive long-play TD’s. They could’ve hung 60+ easily had they played a more clean game and fine tuned those mistakes. As good as they did- they can’t be patting themselves on the back- lots of room for improvement and facing a team that needs a win in MSU.
Sparty is reeling after losing to Rutgers of all teams- but they always played Michigan extremely tough. Always. It’s their main rivalry game- and Michigan’s 2nd biggest rivalry game after Ohio State of course- even if that one really isn’t much of a rivalry at the moment.
If Michigan comes out and fixes some of the mistakes they had last week and handles Michigan State- then I’ll start buying into them a little bit more. As it stands- still in complete wait and see mode.
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I don't like the 21 day rule.
but, I didn't make the rule
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How Michigan plays Michigan State will tell me a lot about how this team/season plays out.
It’s a very young team that is probably feeling itself after smacking a ranked team on the road at night. And honestly, they missed 3 easily makeable FG’s, dropped a surefire TD, and were a trip-up/shoestring away from some more explosive long-play TD’s. They could’ve hung 60+ easily had they played a more clean game and fine tuned those mistakes. As good as they did- they can’t be patting themselves on the back- lots of room for improvement and facing a team that needs a win in MSU.
Sparty is reeling after losing to Rutgers of all teams- but they always played Michigan extremely tough. Always. It’s their main rivalry game- and Michigan’s 2nd biggest rivalry game after Ohio State of course- even if that one really isn’t much of a rivalry at the moment.
If Michigan comes out and fixes some of the mistakes they had last week and handles Michigan State- then I’ll start buying into them a little bit more. As it stands- still in complete wait and see mode.
It sounds like Dax Hill will practice this week so that's good news. No idea how he got hurt in the first half. I re-watched the game but didn't see anything. Nordin may be back too so that will help with field goals.
I may have said this elsewhere but I'm drinking the OL Kool Aid. I think the days where Michigan had serious issues with their OL are over. That said, there will always be issues when you go up against a great defense.
Michigan and Sparty will both be improved. It should be a nasty game as usual.
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I may have said this elsewhere but I'm drinking the OL Kool Aid. I think the days where Michigan had serious issues with their OL are over. That said, there will always be issues when you go up against a great defense.
I’m buying the OL kool aid as well. Why? The OL coach. Ed Warriner is one of the best in the business. Michigan needs to sign him to a life-long contract ASAP.
Vastardis looks like a legit B1G center. They have two extremely athletic talented tackles in Mayfield and Hayes who will be NFL draft picks. Mayfield looks like a 1st round pick, and Hayes looks like he could get there with some more development- particularly in his pass block technique. And then the Michigan guards are freaking massive. Chuck Filiaga and Andrew Steuber are giants. Both 6’6+, 330+ and were absolutely mauling Minnesota in the run game. This OL looks legit so far. Have to see more of it- but they haven’t had a pair of tackles this gifted since they had Lewan & Schofield back in like 2012. Been a very long time.
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One day after his debut, it was reported that Mertz tested positive for COVID-19. He needed a second test to confirm that and on Tuesday morning, CBS Sports' Dennis Dodd reported that Mertz has tested positive for a second time. Because he tested positive for COVID-19, Mertz must now self-isolate for 10 days. After that isolation, Mertz will have to go through extensive cardiac testing before he can take the field again. The earliest any Big Ten student-athlete can return to competition after testing positive for COVID-19 is 21 days.
That is where the question of when the positive test was administered becomes important. Wisconsin’s November 14 game against Michigan could be Mertz’s first game back, depending on when the test was administered.
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One day after his debut, it was reported that Mertz tested positive for COVID-19. He needed a second test to confirm that and on Tuesday morning, CBS Sports' Dennis Dodd reported that Mertz has tested positive for a second time. Because he tested positive for COVID-19, Mertz must now self-isolate for 10 days. After that isolation, Mertz will have to go through extensive cardiac testing before he can take the field again. The earliest any Big Ten student-athlete can return to competition after testing positive for COVID-19 is 21 days.
That is where the question of when the positive test was administered becomes important. Wisconsin’s November 14 game against Michigan could be Mertz’s first game back, depending on when the test was administered.
likely not that game as he would not be able to practice or be around the team the week prior to the game.. next game is more likely
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I agree. I think the 21 days things starts today, not Saturday.
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21 days ia a long time
would hope it would start with the first positive test
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21 days ia a long time
would hope it would start with the first positive test
Fearless any word on how many Huskers have had the virus and have recuperated?
I mean those who have had many cases could be better off later in the year once healthy and "immune"
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Frost won't give much information. Certainly no exact numbers or names, but he did say a week or so ago, that quite a few huskers have had the virus and he doesn't expect to see enough positives the rest of the season to cancel a game
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And there it is.
https://twitter.com/jaypo1961/status/1321183898601181185
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I agree. I think the 21 days things starts today, not Saturday.
Three questions if you (or anyone) knows:
- Does it start with the first positive test or confirmation?
- Is the start date day 1, or day zero?
- Is the return date ON the 21st day or is it AFTER 21 days?
These, particularly in sum could be very important. Since Wisconsin played Friday night the first test may very well have been given on Saturday. If that counts as day 1 and he is allowed back on the 21st day, then he should be back on Friday, November 13 so he might even be able to get a few reps in before the trip to Ann Arbor and he should be available for the Michigan game on Saturday, November 14. However, if the clock starts later or if he isn't allowed back until after 21 days then he is almost certainly out for that game and it could even impact his practice/preparation for the Northwestern game on November 21.
One good thing about football as opposed to BB is that the lack of one player shouldn't be QUITE as big of a difference as it could be in BB. Still, it is a pretty big deal. If Wisconsin doesn't have a passing game able to function at this level then I would expect that at least Michigan will be able to stack nine in the box to stuff Wisconsin's running game. It isn't a big risk if you are taking your chances on the outside against Wisconsin's 3rd, 4th, or 5th string QB.
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I don't know all the rules, but I'm sure tomorrow's paper will have them spelled out pretty well.
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How many former HS QBs does Wisconsin have on their roster? Might have to dust one of them off.
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Senior running back Garrett Groshek could be an emergency option at the position. He played quarterback in high school and took snaps as a quarterback in Wildcat formations last season.
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I don't know all the rules, but I'm sure tomorrow's paper will have them spelled out pretty well.
https://bigten.org/documents/2020/9/16//Medical_Subcommittee_Update_Overview.pdf?id=6818
(https://bigten.org/documents/2020/9/16//Medical_Subcommittee_Update_Overview.pdf?id=6818)The Husker prick press corps doesn't wait until tomorrow.............
But there are other ways COVID-19 could knock a Big Ten team out of a game without the program necessarily being down for 21 days.
» Meeting the “red/red” threshold limit on the Big Ten testing protocols. That means 5% of the team, on a seven-day rolling average, tested positive for COVID-19, and 7.5% of the team population (coaches, trainers, staff, administrators) tested positive. A minimum seven-day halt is put in place for practice or competition.
» If 2-5% of the team or 3.5-7.5% of the team population tests positive, this is the “orange/orange” threshold. The minute any Big Ten team meets that, according to protocols, it appears to have the discretion to “consider viability of continuing with scheduled competition.”
How does a team meet red? Here’s where we do some math.
The Team Positivity Rate (TPR) is calculated daily. A team can test 170 people six days a week, and the Big Ten recommends 120 players and 50 staff — Nebraska is doing that, per a team official — but it allows flexibility in those ratios. That’s 1,020 tests per week, which equals the rolling average because the denominator accumulates.
In order to meet the red testing threshold on the TPR, a team that takes 1,020 tests would have to have 51 positives.
To meet red on the TPR takes a massive outbreak, the kind that would indeed shut down a team for three weeks. It’s hard to do. Given that a lot of these teams had players test positive months ago, it may be darn near impossible.
The Population Positivity Rate (PPR) is different in an important way. That denominator stays at 170 all week. It doesn’t change regardless of how many total people you test, either.
In the PPR, the testing threshold is 7.5% to get into red. And that only takes 13 positive tests among players and staff. That’s not a massive outbreak.
It’s also not an automatic pause. Only red/red is an automatic pause. Again: It takes a ton of positives to get to red/red. But orange/red? That can be done with just a minor outbreak.
And at that point it’s up to the team in orange to decide how it wants to proceed.
There’s another potential curveball. Some teams may not be testing 170 players and staff for a variety of reasons. One reason: Players who already tested positive months ago aren’t being tested now.
Remember when Wisconsin paused football and men’s hockey workouts in September? The Badgers did so because of rising cases.
The Big Ten has a policy that doesn’t require athletes to be tested within 90 days of their recovery from the virus. The Wisconsin State Journal reported that 56 football players have tested positive for the virus from early June through Oct. 26.
How many of those 56 are being tested now? It matters because the 170 could become smaller very quickly if those players aren’t being tested.
It’ll be worth watching over the next several days. Remember:
» It’s really hard to have a TPR hit 5% for a week, unless you’re testing way below the limit or you have a massive outbreak.
» It’s not hard to have a PPR hit 7.5% for a week, but that doesn’t necessarily shut down a team.
» We don’t know if Wisconsin’s issue is TPR or PPR. If it’s TPR, the Badgers will have major problems for a month. If it’s PPR, perhaps not.
The math is crucial.
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How many former HS QBs does Wisconsin have on their roster? Might have to dust one of them off.
7 at last count.
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https://twitter.com/jaypo1961/status/1321456522073907205
This is the Badger beat reporter I most trust.
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Wisconsin has been waiting to roll out a 3 fullback set for years
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The following statement was released by the Wisconsin Athletic Department:
The Wisconsin football team will pause all team-related activities for at least seven days due to an elevated number of COVID-19 cases within the Badgers' program.
The team’s scheduled game against Nebraska on Saturday will not be played.
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The following statement was released by the Wisconsin Athletic Department:
The Wisconsin football team will pause all team-related activities for at least seven days due to an elevated number of COVID-19 cases within the Badgers' program.
The team’s scheduled game against Nebraska on Saturday will not be played.
12 positives, including the head coach
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shitty deal
I hope they all stay healthy w/o a rough go. Get better soon or have no symptoms at all.
really a bummer that the game is cancelled.
but rather cancelled than have the Husker program exposed to the virus
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Pick'em game has been adjusted.
Dammit.
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Sigh. This sucks.
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I blame Mertz for going out and celebrating after his big first game as starter
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I blame Mertz for going out and celebrating after his big first game as starter
Blame Wisconsin girls.
Joe Milton got back from Minneapolis, looked at options, and went home
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I blame Mertz for going out and celebrating after his big first game as starter
He got it before the game. You don't test positive one day later.
Rumors of a party last week. If that's true, just bow cancel the season for all those who attended.
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6 coaches and 6 players. More tests are pending. These are not the rapid tests, so the results are likely very accurate.
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6 offensive coaches and 6 offensive players? QB room obviously along with the head coach
WRs?
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Nebraska AD is at least happy that the schedule got a little easier. :72:
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Coach might be.
AD was looking forward to making a few bucks with a home game
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Are parents of the Nebraska players going to sue the UW football team?
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Are parents of the Nebraska players going to sue the UW football team?
They might. Nothing teaches personal responsibility like calling your parents to come sue
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Why isn't NDSU on a retainer to fill in?
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good question
I blame the commissioner for that
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The commish and the schools should have started play in September like everyone else, to build in bye weeks for this kind of thing.
Asshats gonna asshat.
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The commish and the schools should have started play in September like everyone else, to build in bye weeks for this kind of thing.
Asshats gonna asshat.
Yeah I'm still annoyed that they blew up a perfectly serviceable plan in favor of this wing and a prayer, but I suppose we can take what we can get. In any event no one was going to watch Wisconsin anyway since they were up against game of the week Indiana-Rutgers.
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IU-RU is a battle for #1 in the B1G East!!
King Barry is really pissed off right now. I don't think this commish is gonna last long. Behind the scenes he is telling people that this would have never happened under B1G Jim.
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Will be interesting to see what happens next week as a Purdue fan, given Wisconsin is on the schedule for us in week 3.
If that game also gets cancelled, it basically erases a likely loss from a "full strength" Wisconsin team from our record, which is good.
If that game goes on, Wisconsin will be significantly short-staffed on the offensive end player-wise. Which means that a game that would be a likely loss against a full strength Wisconsin team becomes much more winnable than it would otherwise.
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so, reported as 6 players and 6 coaches...
we will probably not get names, we know 2 QBs and a head coach
if the B1G had covid rules like the SEC..... and the Badgers were coming to Lincoln to play without those 6, ..... what do you think hurts the team more?
being w/o the 6 coaches, or the 6 players?
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6 coaches is pretty major. Teams can only carry 10 coaches, right? You know the 6 include the HC, and if this started in the QB room, it's probably not unlikely to think that the QB coach and the OC are likely involved.
I'm guessing that you might have run out of people capable of any offensive playcalling...
Even the 4th string QB can hand the ball off, and that's enough for Wisconsin to beat most teams.
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our favorite guy.........
Finebaum blasts Big Ten's 21-day coronavirus policy
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6 coaches is pretty major. Teams can only carry 10 coaches, right? You know the 6 include the HC, and if this started in the QB room, it's probably not unlikely to think that the QB coach and the OC are likely involved.
I'm guessing that you might have run out of people capable of any offensive playcalling...
Even the 4th string QB can hand the ball off, and that's enough for Wisconsin to beat most teams.
If it blasted through the QB room, a running back would be playing QB for UW. At least he was a QB in HS...
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Brad Davison and D'Mitrik Trice from the hoops team have offered to play QB too. They were HS QB's as well.
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that's as good as the Husker football players suiting up for Hoiberg last season
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https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/status/1321564452999831553?s=19
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https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/status/1321564452999831553?s=19
Haha, wonder why Barry?
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He got it before the game. You don't test positive one day later.
Rumors of a party last week. If that's true, just bow cancel the season for all those who attended.
You’ll probably have to forgive my ignorance, Badger, as I just discovered technology and things... but COVID is that STD thing that’s going around, right?
Isn’t the football team quarantined to the football dorms? 🤔... ohhhhhh ohhhh... yikes 😳 😬
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Should Wisconsin forfeit its game with Nebraska? It is unclear if Wisconsin met the B1G criteria for game cancellation.
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Yes.
It is clear that King Barry chose to pause the team on his own. They could meet the B1G thresholds pending more test results, but they did not meet them yesterday.
He's also sticking it to those who got this so terribly wrong, starting with the commish, who he does not like.
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I saw that teams must play 6 games to be eligible for the B1G championship, which I didn't realize before. So if Wiscy misses two more games, they would be ineligible?
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What is Wiscy?
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So shouldn't the Illini be infected as well?
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they never got close to the QB
didn't you watch?
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So shouldn't the Illini be infected as well?
See FF's response, but there are also some beliefs out there that asymptomatic people don't spread as readily.
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What is Wiscy?
A blood type in Madison
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See FF's response, but there are also some beliefs out there that asymptomatic people don't spread as readily.
Tennessee Titans had 13 players test positive after playing the Vikings. Zero Vikings tested positive
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Should Wisconsin forfeit its game with Nebraska? It is unclear if Wisconsin met the B1G criteria for game cancellation.
it seems unclear
Tom Shatel does not think the Badgers are ducking the Huskers
https://omaha.com/sports/huskers/football/shatel-could-nebraska-and-wisconsin-have-played-yes-but-badgers-arent-ducking-huskers/article_7249f9b5-11fa-5bb7-b9ad-a83ce8b70fdd.amp.html
T (https://omaha.com/sports/huskers/football/shatel-could-nebraska-and-wisconsin-have-played-yes-but-badgers-arent-ducking-huskers/article_7249f9b5-11fa-5bb7-b9ad-a83ce8b70fdd.amp.html)om also thinks that if the Huskers were down 6 players and 6 coaches, they would play.
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A blood type in Madison
Definitely my blood type. Mixed with a little O.
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I saw that teams must play 6 games to be eligible for the B1G championship, which I didn't realize before. So if Wiscy misses two more games, they would be ineligible?
That is correct but note that this provision is only active IF B1G teams averaged six or more games. If the average number of games played by all B1G teams is less than six then the eligibility threshold is "no fewer than two less games than the average". Further, as I understand it, the average is rounded to the nearest whole game so in order for this provision to be activated the average for all other teams would have to drop below 5.5.
Example: Suppose that the following occur:
- Wisconsin misses three games and plays five, going 5-0.
- One other B1G team missed three games.
- All other B1G teams miss two games each.
The average for all B1G teams would be 5.86 (82 games played by 14 teams, 82/14=5.86). That IS less than six, but as I understand it, they round the average so it is six not "less than six" so Wisconsin is ineligible.
At this point we have one cancellation so, if all other games are played, the average will be 7.86.
The goofy thing to keep an eye on for now is that if Wisconsin ends up 6-1 while a B1G-W team that plays all eight games loses to Wisconsin and finishes 7-1, Wisconsin will go to the B1GCG, NOT the 7-1 B1G-W team that has a better winning percentage. This is because if two teams are tied in the loss column and have a different number of wins the H2H winner prevails.
Note, however, that this applies only to teams tied in the loss column, not teams tied in the win column. Thus, if Wisconsin goes 6-1 while another B1G-W team beats Wisconsin and goes 6-2, Wisconsin goes to the B1GCG based on their superior winning percentage.
Maybe I'm reading something wrong, but it seems like that favors teams that miss a game.
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The Big Ten has nixed a proposed deal that would have allowed Nebraska to replace its canceled game this Saturday against Wisconsin with a game against FCS foe Chattanooga, sources told ESPN.
Nebraska's scheduled Big Ten game with Wisconsin was canceled after all Wisconsin team-related activities were paused this week due to an increased number of COVID-19 cases within the program.
Nebraska, in trying to find a replacement at the last minute, had put together a deal to face Chattanooga, which lost to Western Kentucky 13-10 last week. It was the Mocs' only game this fall. The Southern Conference voted to play its season in the spring, and Chattanooga's next scheduled game is Feb. 20 against VMI.
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apparently, the Commish isn't concerned with his popularity numbers
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it seems unclear
Tom Shatel does not think the Badgers are ducking the Huskers
https://omaha.com/sports/huskers/football/shatel-could-nebraska-and-wisconsin-have-played-yes-but-badgers-arent-ducking-huskers/article_7249f9b5-11fa-5bb7-b9ad-a83ce8b70fdd.amp.html
T (https://omaha.com/sports/huskers/football/shatel-could-nebraska-and-wisconsin-have-played-yes-but-badgers-arent-ducking-huskers/article_7249f9b5-11fa-5bb7-b9ad-a83ce8b70fdd.amp.html)om also thinks that if the Huskers were down 6 players and 6 coaches, they would play.
Why would the Badgers duck a win?
I see a lot of Husker fans saying that too. Try getting a win against UW once in a while. Then go ahead and chirp.
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this Husker fan isn't saying that, neither is the writer
some Husker fans are delusional and think it would be a sure win w/o the #1, #2, & #3 QB.
I'll agree it would greatly improve the Sker's chances, but....... I've watched this series closely
I'm just frustrated there won't be a game to watch Saturday. Guessing other fans are frustrated.
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Definitely my blood type. Mixed with a little O.
It's Madison. It's mixed with a little C2H6O.
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Maybe I'm reading something wrong, but it seems like that favors teams that miss a game.
It favors a team that misses a game that is a probable loss. Missing a game that is a probable win while keeping a game that is a probable loss is bad.
For example, let's say that Purdue is likely to finish, for example, 5-3 with a win over Indiana and a loss to Wisconsin. Consider the outcomes:
- Play Wisconsin, miss Indiana: Finish at 4-3, for a 57% win percentage, and an extra loss against your record (loss column being more important than win column).
- Play both: Finish 5-3, or 62.5% win percentage.
- Play Indiana, miss Wisconsin: Finish 5-2, for a 71% win percentage, for an advantage in the loss column AND in the win percentage.
Obviously this doesn't account for the chance of getting upset in the game you were a probable win, but that would be bad regardless.
For Wisconsin, I don't think they gain by missing the Huskers. If they wanted to duck any team on their schedule, it would be Michigan as that would be their most probable loss IMHO.
Of course if they're down 6 starters and 6 coaches, if it turns a game against the Huskers that was a probable win into a much more probable loss, then maybe it's better to miss the game.
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Nebraska fans would rather watch their team lose than not watch them at all. I don't think Wisc would lose to Nebraska even with their 3rd string QB. But I do believe if roles were reversed, UNL would have played. I firmly believed that.
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Nebraska fans would rather watch their team lose than not watch them at all. I don't think Wisc would lose to Nebraska even with their 3rd string QB. But I do believe if roles were reversed, UNL would have played. I firmly believed that.
I'm sure Wisconsin fans wished they were playing Saturday. But as we've said through this whole thing, the people who make the decisions (King Barry / Wisconsin President/BoT & the Big Ten) may have different priorities and different risk tolerances than we do.
As I said, I'm interested to see what happens next weekend. I'm also concerned that if Purdue plays Wisconsin, even undermanned they might be more than we can handle. Even if they have a QB who we KNOW is going to hand off on every play, can we stop that rushing attack? I'm not sure. They've steamrolled us every single year since 2004.
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If twitter is any representation of fan bases in the BIG, then I'd suggest OSU and Nebraska are in stark contrast to the rest of the BIG.
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In what way?
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I'm sure Wisconsin fans wished they were playing Saturday. But as we've said through this whole thing, the people who make the decisions (King Barry / Wisconsin President/BoT & the Big Ten) may have different priorities and different risk tolerances than we do.
As I said, I'm interested to see what happens next weekend. I'm also concerned that if Purdue plays Wisconsin, even undermanned they might be more than we can handle. Even if they have a QB who we KNOW is going to hand off on every play, can we stop that rushing attack? I'm not sure. They've steamrolled us every single year since 2004.
Wisconsin obviously leans on the run so playing a 4th/5th/6th string QB hurts them less than it would hurt most teams. That said, it obviously hurts them more against a team that can DEFINITELY stop their rushing attack if they don't have to worry about the passing game than against a team that might not be able to stop Wisconsin's rushing attack anyway.
In more concrete terms, I think it turns the Michigan game (scheduled for 11/14) into an almost sure loss* but it would turn the games against Nebraska and Purdue (scheduled for 10/31 and 11/7 respectively) into something closer to toss-ups.
My thinking here is that Michigan's defensive interior is good enough that with nine guys in the box they can absolutely force UW to pass they ball. Further, their CB's are good enough that even with nine guys in the box they would still have a pass defense at least good enough to go up against a guy whose last pass was thrown on a Friday night in high school. I'm not so sure about either of those things with UNL and PU. Wisconsin might just be good enough to bully their way through with their running game against nine man fronts from UNL and PU and further, I have less confidence in the ability of UNL's and PU's CB's to play the entire freaking game in man coverage with zero safety support and not get lit up.
*The one possible exception to this is if it ends up being an addition by subtraction situation (or at least neutral) where the 4th/5th/6th string QB comes in and just plays lights out like what happened with tOSU and Cardale Jones back in 2014 when tOSU lost their QB in the Michigan Game and then Cardale Jones came in and lit up Wisconsin, Alabama, and Oregon in the B1GCG, CFP Semi-Final, and CFP Championship. Cardale Jones in those three games:
- B1GCG vs UW: 12/17 for 257 yards with 3 TD's and 0 INT's, 92.1 QBR
- CFP vs Bama: 18/35 for 243 yards with 1 TD and 1 INT, 71.5 QBR
- CFP vs Oregon: 16/23 for 242 yards with 1 TD and 1 INT, 70.7 QBR
For comparison, JT Barrett in the three previous games (against notably weaker opponents):
- vs Michigan: 13/21 for 176 yards with 1 TD and 0 INT's, 95.9 QBR
- vs Indiana: 25/35 for 302 yards with 4 TD's and 2 INT's, 47.3 QBR
- vs Minnesota: 15/25 for 200 yards with 3 TD's and 1 INT, 96.2 QBR
Cardale Jones was at least as good and did it on the biggest possible stage against three of the best teams in the nation. It isn't very often that your backup can come in and do that and it is even less likely that the backup's backup can do it. It happens, but it is extremely rare. Usually there is a very good reason that the starter is the starter and the backup is the backup.
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It favors a team that misses a game that is a probable loss. Missing a game that is a probable win while keeping a game that is a probable loss is bad.
For example, let's say that Purdue is likely to finish, for example, 5-3 with a win over Indiana and a loss to Wisconsin. Consider the outcomes:
- Play Wisconsin, miss Indiana: Finish at 4-3, for a 57% win percentage, and an extra loss against your record (loss column being more important than win column).
- Play both: Finish 5-3, or 62.5% win percentage.
- Play Indiana, miss Wisconsin: Finish 5-2, for a 71% win percentage, for an advantage in the loss column AND in the win percentage.
Obviously this doesn't account for the chance of getting upset in the game you were a probable win, but that would be bad regardless.
For Wisconsin, I don't think they gain by missing the Huskers. If they wanted to duck any team on their schedule, it would be Michigan as that would be their most probable loss IMHO.
Of course if they're down 6 starters and 6 coaches, if it turns a game against the Huskers that was a probable win into a much more probable loss, then maybe it's better to miss the game.
I get what you are saying but the lack of a win simply doesn't matter because of the way the B1G set up the rules.
For example, suppose that we expected:
- Wisconsin to finish 7-1 with a loss to Michigan, and
- Purdue to finish 7-1 with a loss to Wisconsin.
Now Wisconsin isn't playing Nebraska (an expected win) so our new expectation is that they will finish:
- 7-1 (.875) Purdue
- 6-1 (.857) Wisconsin
If they went by winning percentage that missed game would hurt Wisconsin but they don't. If two teams are tied in the loss column but have a different number of wins (as in this example) then the H2H result prevails and UW would go to the B1GCG despite Purdue's superior winning percentage.
Thus, missing the UNL game can only help Wisconsin. If they had played one of two things would have happened, either:
- They would have won, finished 7-1, and tied with Purdue, and gone to the B1GCG based on their H2H win over Purdue, or
- They would have lost, finished 6-2, and missed the B1GCG.
I think that all of us (even @FearlessF (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=10) ) think that UW would probably win a game against UNL but there is still at least a chance of an upset anytime a team plays. Last year Wisconsin lost to Illinois despite being an obviously superior team. It happens.
As I mull it over, I can't come up with any scenario in which not playing Nebraska is worse for Wisconsin than beating Nebraska. Well, there is one. If Wisconsin ends up missing two more games, then it becomes an issue due to the eligibility threshold.
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Nebraska fans would rather watch their team lose than not watch them at all. I don't think Wisc would lose to Nebraska even with their 3rd string QB. But I do believe if roles were reversed, UNL would have played. I firmly believed that.
agreed
I'm REALLY tired of losing to the Badgers, but I'd rather watch a close loss Saturday than play golf in wind and 55 degrees
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In what way?
guessing UNL and OSU would play if the Big Ten allowed - no matter how many tested positive
the rest of the conference would sit out the game if a dozen people test positive early in the week
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I get what you are saying but the lack of a win simply doesn't matter because of the way the B1G set up the rules.
For example, suppose that we expected:
- Wisconsin to finish 7-1 with a loss to Michigan, and
- Purdue to finish 7-1 with a loss to Purdue.
I'm not sure how they would pull it off, but if anybody could, it would be Purdue. :0
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agreed
I'm REALLY tired of losing to the Badgers, but I'd rather watch a close loss Saturday than play golf in wind and 55 degrees
The whole weirdness of this season sort of ruined it, but I think I might actually be happier without MSU football.
When they are good, I stress; when they are bad, it just bothers me.
I think, aside from 2013, 2007 has been my favorite season ever. 7-5, some fun wins, the losses didn't get me down that much, and I was happy as hell to get to the Champs Sports Bowl. Honestly, it wasn't that different from the past two seasons, but it felt so good.
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I'm not sure how they would pull it off, but if anybody could, it would be Purdue. :0
Sorry, I meant Wisconsin. I'll fix it.
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Sorry, I meant Wisconsin. I'll fix it.
No, leave it. I also caught it, but didn't say anything, because it's funnier that way.
That said, I get what you're saying. In the case of tiebreakers, the best option for any team would be to go 0-0 because you would be equal to an 8-0 team in the loss column. Heck, depending on your philosophical view of math, you may have an infinite winning percentage too, which would be better than 100%!
I realize they put in the 6 game rule, so maybe you can make an argument that it's better for a team to play only 6 games rather than 8 because it reduces their chances for having an upset loss vs an inferior team.
But all of this only affects the tiebreaker, and only against teams that Wisconsin plays.
Let's say Wisconsin can't play Nebraska and then can't play Purdue, and goes 5-1.
Wisconsin then finds themselves in a "tie" against 6-1 Purdue. All other teams in the B1G West have 2 or more losses.
In that case, they have the same number of losses, but no H2H result. And thus Purdue would win the tiebreaker due to win%. If Wisconsin had played Purdue they'd likely be 6-1 while Purdue would be 6-2.
At the very least, if Wisconsin plays a team, they control their own destiny with that team re: H2H. If they don't, then they have to hope they win the farther down tiebreakers.
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The following is a joint statement from Nebraska Athletic Director Bill Moos and University of Nebraska-Lincoln Chancellor Ronnie Green
"Throughout the COVID-19 pandemic, the safety and well-being of our Nebraska student-athletes has been our top priority, and we know Wisconsin is operating with the same guiding principle. We wish all of those impacted in the Wisconsin program a quick and full recovery from the virus.
"With the cancellation of the game against Wisconsin, we did explore the possibility of securing a non-conference game for Saturday. The discussions we had were with teams that had already implemented stricter testing protocols than those mandated by the Big Ten Conference. Those details were non-negotiable if we were to bring a non-conference opponent to Lincoln.
"At Nebraska, we will always make decisions based on what is best for our student-athletes, and to provide them with the best possible experience during their college careers. To this point, the young men in our program have worked hard to prepare for the football season and have made the necessary sacrifices in order to play in this unusual environment. With an already shortened season, we owed it to our student-athletes to explore any possible option to play a game this week.
"We believe the flexibility to play non-conference games could have been beneficial not only for Nebraska, but other Big Ten teams who may be in a similar position as the season progresses. The ability for all Big Ten members to play a non-conference game if needed could provide another data point for possible College Football Playoff and bowl consideration.
"Ultimately, the Big Ten Conference did not approve our request, and we respect their decision. We are excited to move forward with preparations for the rest of the season, beginning with next week's game at Northwestern."
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"We believe the flexibility to play non-conference games could have been beneficial not only for Nebraska, but other Big Ten teams who may be in a similar position as the season progresses. The ability for all Big Ten members to play a non-conference game if needed could provide another data point for possible College Football Playoff and bowl consideration.
The only think a non-con game for Nebraska could do to affect the CFP would be to lose to a terrible team, thus reducing Ohio State's SOS.
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No, leave it. I also caught it, but didn't say anything, because it's funnier that way.
That said, I get what you're saying. In the case of tiebreakers, the best option for any team would be to go 0-0 because you would be equal to an 8-0 team in the loss column. Heck, depending on your philosophical view of math, you may have an infinite winning percentage too, which would be better than 100%!
I realize they put in the 6 game rule, so maybe you can make an argument that it's better for a team to play only 6 games rather than 8 because it reduces their chances for having an upset loss vs an inferior team.
But all of this only affects the tiebreaker, and only against teams that Wisconsin plays.
Let's say Wisconsin can't play Nebraska and then can't play Purdue, and goes 5-1.
Wisconsin then finds themselves in a "tie" against 6-1 Purdue. All other teams in the B1G West have 2 or more losses.
In that case, they have the same number of losses, but no H2H result. And thus Purdue would win the tiebreaker due to win%. If Wisconsin had played Purdue they'd likely be 6-1 while Purdue would be 6-2.
At the very least, if Wisconsin plays a team, they control their own destiny with that team re: H2H. If they don't, then they have to hope they win the farther down tiebreakers.
so Wisconsin goes 5-1 what happens if someone else goes 7-1 two games a head on the win column?
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the non-con could give Nebraska much needed game reps, it would also be a nice bump to the local economy and AD account
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so Wisconsin goes 5-1 what happens if someone else goes 7-1 two games a head on the win column?
If another West team goes 7-1, it means they must have played Wisconsin. In that case, 5-1 vs 7-1 would be decided on H2H.
For example, if Minnesota after their loss to Michigan runs the table, and Wisconsin misses the Nebraska and Purdue games but otherwise runs the table except their loss to Minnesota, then Minnesota would be ahead of Wisconsin not based on win% but on the H2H result.
But any team that is 7-1 must have played their full schedule, so they played Wisconsin. Thus a H2H result exists.
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The league’s Council of Presidents/Chancellors shooting down NU’s proposal to fill a gap in its schedule — left by Wisconsin canceling its trip to Huskerville because of COVID-19 — with Tennessee-Chattanooga, a team ready, willing and able to play in Memorial Stadium on a moment’s notice.
The Big Ten, officially silent on the matter Thursday, voted no in an early-morning meeting. The vote was 11-3.
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first, UNL, OSU, and who's the 3rd? Iowa?
2nd - what's the logic? The conference makes more money if Nebraska plays.
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They can't allow a NC game. They made the bed this way, they aren't going come out and try and remake the bed for all to see and allow us to see the #$%% under the covers. They don't need to, we can smell it.
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3 more cases for UW. Two staff, and one player.
I'm guessing the two staff are people in the QB room. I'm guessing the player is the 3rd string QB.
We know HC PC and OC Joe Rudolph have it, and probably Budmayr, the QB coach.
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The league’s Council of Presidents/Chancellors shooting down NU’s proposal to fill a gap in its schedule — left by Wisconsin canceling its trip to Huskerville because of COVID-19 — with Tennessee-Chattanooga, a team ready, willing and able to play in Memorial Stadium on a moment’s notice.
The Big Ten, officially silent on the matter Thursday, voted no in an early-morning meeting. The vote was 11-3.
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first, UNL, OSU, and who's the 3rd? Iowa?
2nd - what's the logic? The conference makes more money if Nebraska plays.
University administrations are under huge pressure from faculty on the China virus. Many faculty are literally afraid for their lives and do not want students, staff, themselves, or anyone on campus. It may be spun as for the health of the students blah blah blah but its faculty bitching behind the over reaction.
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They can't allow a NC game. They made the bed this way, they aren't going come out and try and remake the bed for all to see and allow us to see the #$%% under the covers. They don't need to, we can smell it.
keep in mind when you say "they" you are actually talking about the university presidents not just the commissioner. the rules were passed down from the presidents to the AD's etc. and they all came up with this shit plan. like it or hate it, that was agreed upon to start the league back up this Fall and without these rules there would be no football at all for the big ten (until Spring)
I see a lot of boards bashing Warren but he is really just a manager of the league and the real decisions are made by the presidents (that includes the President of the University of Nebraska)
yes it would be a benefit for the teams to allow the extra NC games but that wasnt what was agreed upon. and something like what is happening at Wisconsin (and now I heard Illinois) is going to happen again
the interesting part will be when it hits OSU(as the clear sports leader) and their season gets vomited up. What the public outcry will be.
no matter what you think of the virus, it is real and has real consequences, some lighter than others and we can all debate back and forth but no one really knows. as fans we should sit back and just enjoy what we have here this season- an exhibition of a season. hoping all who contract it, get better with no serious effects
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Go Gophers!
Really, this whole thing was managed poorly by the B1G. They should have went with the original plan, with bye weeks built in. This plan we have now is a shit show. UW is only the first team. There will be more. The criteria says so. It's tight.
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so, is Warren the commissioner of the academic side of the Big Ten as well?
I understand university faculty and university presidents and administration bitching about everything. My brother is a university administrator.
Why does Warren allow academic types to have more influence over the athletic side of the conference than is needed?
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Because he's not Jim Delany. We'd have had football in September if B1G Jim was still around.
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University administrations are under huge pressure from faculty on the China virus. Many faculty are literally afraid for their lives and do not want students, staff, themselves, or anyone on campus. It may be spun as for the health of the students blah blah blah but its faculty bitching behind the over reaction.
so, the logic is from the faculty - we're all afraid we're going to die?
Chattanooga's traveling roster being on campus restricted to the athletic department area for a few hours is a huge risk? With all the testing?
great logic from the academic types that are clearly much more intelligent than athletic department folks
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Chris Olave cleared to play tomorrow
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The only think a non-con game for Nebraska could do to affect the CFP would be to lose to a terrible team, thus reducing Ohio State's SOS.
I believe the quote had more to do with OSU replacing a game in the future than anything about UNL and the CFP. UNL has no illusions of playing but the policy is now set and the door is closed on others. This is why OSU was so quick to publicly support UNL and disagree with the result.
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The following is a joint statement from Nebraska Athletic Director Bill Moos and University of Nebraska-Lincoln Chancellor Ronnie Green
"Throughout the COVID-19 pandemic, the safety and well-being of our Nebraska student-athletes has been our top priority, and we know Wisconsin is operating with the same guiding principle. We wish all of those impacted in the Wisconsin program a quick and full recovery from the virus.
"With the cancellation of the game against Wisconsin, we did explore the possibility of securing a non-conference game for Saturday. The discussions we had were with teams that had already implemented stricter testing protocols than those mandated by the Big Ten Conference. Those details were non-negotiable if we were to bring a non-conference opponent to Lincoln.
"At Nebraska, we will always make decisions based on what is best for our student-athletes, and to provide them with the best possible experience during their college careers. To this point, the young men in our program have worked hard to prepare for the football season and have made the necessary sacrifices in order to play in this unusual environment. With an already shortened season, we owed it to our student-athletes to explore any possible option to play a game this week.
"We believe the flexibility to play non-conference games could have been beneficial not only for Nebraska, but other Big Ten teams who may be in a similar position as the season progresses. The ability for all Big Ten members to play a non-conference game if needed could provide another data point for possible College Football Playoff and bowl consideration.
"Ultimately, the Big Ten Conference did not approve our request, and we respect their decision. We are excited to move forward with preparations for the rest of the season, beginning with next week's game at Northwestern."
many of our friends across the BIG miss the fact that UNL actually didn't go public with this... but UTCC did... UNL did follow procedures and went through the BIG process without complaint.
Once public, fans were not happy...
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fans just want to watch football
Players and coaches just want to play football
the AD just wants to make money
The Big Ten Commish doesn't give a damn about these interests - just does what the Chancellors tell him to do
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The league’s Council of Presidents/Chancellors shooting down NU’s proposal to fill a gap in its schedule — left by Wisconsin canceling its trip to Huskerville because of COVID-19 — with Tennessee-Chattanooga, a team ready, willing and able to play in Memorial Stadium on a moment’s notice.
The Big Ten, officially silent on the matter Thursday, voted no in an early-morning meeting. The vote was 11-3.
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first, UNL, OSU, and who's the 3rd? Iowa?
MICHIGAN!!!
On Friday morning’s edition of the Dan Patrick Show, Patrick commented on the Big Ten’s denial to let Nebraska play a non-conference opponent and also reported that Ohio State and Michigan were in the Cornhuskers’ corner regarding letting them play.
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MICHIGAN!!!
On Friday morning’s edition of the Dan Patrick Show, Patrick commented on the Big Ten’s denial to let Nebraska play a non-conference opponent and also reported that Ohio State and Michigan were in the Cornhuskers’ corner regarding letting them play.
I'm somewhat surprised by that. It was pretty clear early on that Ohio State and Nebraska have been working together through this so I assumed that Nebraska voted for themselves and got Ohio State's vote but the third was a mystery to me.
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If another West team goes 7-1, it means they must have played Wisconsin. In that case, 5-1 vs 7-1 would be decided on H2H.
For example, if Minnesota after their loss to Michigan runs the table, and Wisconsin misses the Nebraska and Purdue games but otherwise runs the table except their loss to Minnesota, then Minnesota would be ahead of Wisconsin not based on win% but on the H2H result.
But any team that is 7-1 must have played their full schedule, so they played Wisconsin. Thus a H2H result exists.
I was going to type exactly this, but since you already did, I'll leave this as the answer to @Benthere2 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=36) 's question.
The only thing I'll add is that things are moving fast and changing all the time. While I completely agree with @bwarbiany (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=19) here, this is just his and my reading of a brand new scheme put in place by the conference recently due to this pandemic. Between now and December it could change or be reinterpreted such that the result is something else.
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For what it is worth, here is the link (https://s3.amazonaws.com/bigten.org/documents/2020/10/22/2020_Big_Ten_Football_Tiebreakers.pdf).
Here is a paraphrase of the rule as I understand it:
- If all games are completed, highest winning percentage.
- In the event of unbalanced schedules due to cancellation of games:
- If two (or more) teams have the same number of losses but a different number of wins, H2H will take precedence over winning percentage as long as the two (or more) teams meet the minimum number of games (six unless the average for the whole conference is less than six).
- If the game was cancelled between two teams with the same winning percentage OR the same number of losses, move to tiebreaker for two teams below.
- If a game was cancelled between three or more teams with the same winning percentage OR the same number of losses, move to tiebreaker for three teams below.
- The team or teams with the best winning percentage AND the CG participants will earn at least a share of the Division Championship (ie, you can hang a "Division Champion" banner even if you lose this tiebreaker.
Two team tiebreaker:
- H2H
- Divisional winning percentage - but it is weird in the event of an unbalanced schedule. In that case we ignore this step IF the tied teams have the same number of divisional losses but a different number of divisional wins. ie, 5-1 is better than 4-2 but it is NOT better than 4-1.
- Record against the next best team in the division, then the next, but a team is skipped if either of the two did not play that team.
- Winning percentage against all common conference opponents.
- SoS defined as cumulative winning percentage of non-divisional opponents.
- Record against the best team in the other division, then the next, etc - on this one they do clarify that 1-0 IS better than 0-0. They don't say it, but I *THINK* that also means that 0-0 is better than 0-1. I'm not sure.
- Overall winning percentage regardless of # of games played
- Random Draw.
Example:
Suppose that Ohio State and Michigan both go 7-0 then their game against each other gets cancelled. They would both be 7-0 and obviously tied for the B1G-E Championship (because every other B1G-E team would have at least two losses - to tOSU and M). Tiebreakers:
- H2H: n/a, cancelled
- Divisional winning percentage: tied at 1.000
- Record against next best team, then the next: tied at 1-0 against each of the other five.
- Winning percentage against all common conference opponents: For tOSU and M this would be the other five B1G-E teams because they don't have any common B1G-W opponents.
- SoS: This would likely decide it in Michigan's favor because their B1G-W opponents (MN and UW) are VERY likely to finish with a better winning percentage than tOSU's B1G-W opponents (IL and UNL). If IL and UNL somehow equaled MN and UW then . . .
- Record against the best team in the other division, then the next: This would be decisive unless MN/UW and IL/UNL somehow finished exactly tied with one from the other pair (ie, UW and UNL both go 6-1 while MN and IL both go 2-6)
- Overall winning percentage: tied at 1.00
- Random Draw
Three team tiebreaker:
- H2H...2H but note that if any team in the group did not play all of the others then this step is skipped.
- Divisional winning percentage - but same as with two-teams a tie in the loss column is considered a tie
- Record against the next best team in the division, then the next, etc. Any team not played by any of the teams in the tie is skipped.
- Winning percentage against all common opponents - this is effectively a null step this year because with only two non-divisional opponents it is impossible for three teams in the same division to all play a common team in the other division.
- SoS defined as cumulative winning percentage of non-divisional opponents.
- Record against the best team in the other division, then the next, etc - on this one they do clarify that 1-0 IS better than 0-0. They don't say it, but I *THINK* that also means that 0-0 is better than 0-1. I'm not sure.
- Overall winning percentage.
- Random Draw.