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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: betarhoalphadelta on December 04, 2017, 12:16:28 PM
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So just going to kick this one off. I'll admit I know basically nothing about Arizona yet, except that apparently they like to put up a lot of points but also to give up quite a few. So I suspect this could be a shootout.
I might find my way up to Santa Clara for this one, though. Looks like cheap flights are available out of LAX.
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Man, they really zipped the Big Ten and Pac 12 together, this bowl season.
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Boiler Up!
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Since I get the Pac 12 network, I've seen my share of AZ this year, and I saw them in person at USC.
Arizona has a lot of weapons running the ball, not just K. Tate (who was pretty quiet to end the season, even benched for Dawkins). JJ Taylor is really fast, Wilson is +, then they have that big bowling ball (Green?)that comes in as well. They didn't finish so hot to end the season. Purdue should have no trouble moving the ball.
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Purdue has a good front 7. They should be able to keep Arizona "contained". The Boiler offense seems to have figured it out the last few games. This is an interesting match up, and a good way to be bowling again for Purdue.
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This is an interesting match up, and a good way to be bowling again for Purdue.
Was thinking the same. It's nice to be in a bowl, but nicer that it's a "real" bowl. I remember in 2007 how relieved I was not just the MSU ended their bowl drought, but that the Motor City Bowl rumors didn't come true, and they wound up playing Boston College in the Champs Sports Bowl. Getting back to a bowl at all was good, but I'm glad for Purdue fans it's not against Ohio at Ford Field.
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I'll admit that them only throwing for 170 ypg (110th in the NCAA) gives me a little bit more hope. What destroyed us against Lamar Jackson was that he was so dynamic running AND throwing.
It appears that at least Arizona is a run-first team (3rd in the nation in rushing offense), and we can try to keep them in front of us. Purdue had the 30th ranked rushing defense in the country.
So it's a test of strength vs strength. Should be a pretty interesting matchup.
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Yeah, while Tate has at least Lamar Jackson capable legs (maybe even better) he absolutely does not have the same arm. uofa’s offense does like to catch the defense napping with their passing, however, and it can be costly to the opposing team at times. But on top of Tate’s arm not being anything special, the uofa WRs aren’t that great either.
Stack the box, spy Tate, and have the offense avoid turnovers and Purdue should win.
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If RichRod comes to the table with a focused game plan, expect Arizona to come out swinging early in hopes to position Purdue to chase points, which I'm not sure the Boilermakers are built for. This could backfire if Purdue can sustain methodical drives which isn't that hard against our defense. The good news for the usually bad Arizona defense will be a finally healthy LB corps, who've had a few bright spots this season in limiting the opponent's rushing attack.
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Yeah, while Tate has at least Lamar Jackson capable legs (maybe even better) he absolutely does not have the same arm. uofa’s offense does like to catch the defense napping with their passing, however, and it can be costly to the opposing team at times. But on top of Tate’s arm not being anything special, the uofa WRs aren’t that great either.
Stack the box, spy Tate, and have the offense avoid turnovers and Purdue should win.
His running stats the last two games were awful. If Purdue can execute that blueprint as effectively, tough to see Arizona finding a Plan B.
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Rich Rod didn't compete well against Big Ten teams. Hope that continues. Good luck to Purdue.
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Question for those of you who have traveled to a lot of bowl games.
Is it better to get tickets through the university, or through Ticketmaster / other channels?
@integrinB4 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1594) mentioned that he's had some less than wonderful experiences ordering tickets through the Purdue athletics dept, and their site doesn't provide ANY information on where the seats are located at each price point. Not being a JPC member, I'll obviously not get priority when it comes to seat assignment either.
I know the University takes a hit on bowl games if they don't sell their allotment, but they're not making it easy for me to buy the tickets and have some idea of whether they're decent seats... So as much as I want to support them financially so they don't eat the cost of unused tickets, I'm having trouble with the idea that I won't have any clue whatsoever where my seats are.
Thoughts?
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Generally speaking, buying bowl tickets through your school means you are going to be sitting in the University allocated section(s). Some people like that. Others don't, as it often means lower corner. Call Purdue ticket office to find that out.
With one exception, I have always fought on my own for tickets (that's usually meant ticketmaster). That gives you autonomy in terms of where you want to sit, and often (not always) means you are paying less for the seat.
Re: This bowl, it appears that the Upper Deck will be 'tarped' off, as they are not for sale. For a bowl like this one, I'd show up w/o a ticket, and scalp. I would envision an easy ticket (like all previous Foster Farms bowls). Alternatively, I see you can buy a prime seat for face value on ticketmaster for $125 (plus whatever fees). High end zone seats cost $20 plus fees.
Edit: here it is according to a secondary market site: Purdue will be along the sideline in front of sections 135-141 while Arizona will be along sections 111-119. That suggests the best sideline seats, not the corners. I'd still make a phone call to Purdue.
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For a bowl like this one, I'd show up w/o a ticket, and scalp. I would envision an easy ticket (like all previous Foster Farms bowls).
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the scalper is your friend, especially 60 minutes before kick
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Question for those of you who have traveled to a lot of bowl games.
Is it better to get tickets through the university, or through Ticketmaster / other channels?
@integrinB4 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1594) mentioned that he's had some less than wonderful experiences ordering tickets through the Purdue athletics dept, and their site doesn't provide ANY information on where the seats are located at each price point. Not being a JPC member, I'll obviously not get priority when it comes to seat assignment either.
I know the University takes a hit on bowl games if they don't sell their allotment, but they're not making it easy for me to buy the tickets and have some idea of whether they're decent seats... So as much as I want to support them financially so they don't eat the cost of unused tickets, I'm having trouble with the idea that I won't have any clue whatsoever where my seats are.
Thoughts?
I've been to some bowl games but I can't really help you here. Every bowl game I ever attended was a sold out game where tickets were selling on the secondary market for WAY more than face. Any time I was able to get tickets through the University I took it simply because those were WAY cheaper than anywhere else.
I would guess that you would be better off in the secondary market because I can't imagine that Purdue and Arizona fans are going to sell this game out so I'm assuming that you can probably get cheap tickets somewhere else.
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the scalper is your friend, especially 60 minutes before kick
My problem with this plan is travel costs. I simply can't invest the money in travel (airfare, hotels, etc) in the *HOPE* of getting a cheap ticket.
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Stubhub or scalper for this one. No doubt.
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Right now at least (for Fosters Farms Bowl) this secondary market is not attractive. It is true, the moment the bowl matchups are announced, it is always a Seller's Market on the first several days, as engaged buyers are first to emerge. (insert PT Barnum quote). Unless the ticketmaster 'fees' exceed the cut Stub Hub adds, there's no value on StubHub/Vivid listings today as I see it.
Since the Tickets are still available and plentiful at cost, the secondary market has yet to adjust for this, as brokers and sellers are seeking high margins (as they should) at the outset. In a funny way, this is like an IPO that is sure to pop. The matchup is fine, but there's simply not enough interest in the game (IMO) to support a ticket premium. If scores of seats are available today, five days after the matchup was known, there will be lots of seats available at face value a week, two weeks from now. Less supply? Yeah, but you will know with certainty what your highest price point will be.
come kickoff, the only Stub Hub listings that will command a premium, are the VIP sections, as those are the tickets which will have less desirable availability from Ticketmaster. In other words, on site you are going to see fistful of tickets in the air outside the stadium.
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I mostly always buy premium these days. For the number of games I go to now.. I'm sitting in a great, comfortable seat.
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For a bowl like this one, I'd show up w/o a ticket, and scalp.
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the scalper is your friend, especially 60 minutes before kick
My problem with this plan is travel costs. I simply can't invest the money in travel (airfare, hotels, etc) in the *HOPE* of getting a cheap ticket.
Yeah, I'm not going to rely on a scalper for the first Purdue football game I've gotten to see in ~17 years lol. Especially when I've got airfare and hotel already baked into the cost of attendance.
Also not going to walk around prior to the game with my girlfriend trying to find some shady scalper and haggle.
I mostly always buy premium these days. For the number of games I go to now.. I'm sitting in a great, comfortable seat.
I'm with you there, Badge. This isn't just a game to attend. This is the first Purdue football game (and only the second Purdue sporting event) I've had the opportunity to attend in person since the Rose Bowl. I found a great rate on hotel in downtown SJ and got our tickets cheap using points on Southwest. And, I'll be with my gf. I'm not going to all this effort to be in the nosebleeds... It's worth a splurge.
The only thing I hate about it is the knowledge that Purdue will most likely NOT sell out their entire ticket allotment for a game all the way across the country. So I just have that twinge of guilt at not supporting the university.
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Good points, I can respect the desire for piece of mind. We were reluctant to face scalpers for an AU v UGA game, so we just buckled down on StubHub.
Call the Purdue office, demand to know where the seats are (at least the section), if not satisfied, pull the trigger on Ticketmaster today. Lots of good seats available, right at face value.
Highest price seat (at the 40ish yd line, C137 row 20) is $125 X 2, plus nearly $50 in fees, takes the checkout to $299.75. Parking is $30 in either tailgating lot, no open flame lot. Two $20 reasonable end zone seats tally up to $72.45. (No nosebleeds here, they are tarping the entire upper deck)
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Yeah, I'm not going to rely on a scalper for the first Purdue football game I've gotten to see in ~17 years lol. Especially when I've got airfare and hotel already baked into the cost of attendance.
Also not going to walk around prior to the game with my girlfriend trying to find some shady scalper and haggle.
I'm with you there, Badge. This isn't just a game to attend. This is the first Purdue football game (and only the second Purdue sporting event) I've had the opportunity to attend in person since the Rose Bowl. I found a great rate on hotel in downtown SJ and got our tickets cheap using points on Southwest. And, I'll be with my gf. I'm not going to all this effort to be in the nosebleeds... It's worth a splurge.
The only thing I hate about it is the knowledge that Purdue will most likely NOT sell out their entire ticket allotment for a game all the way across the country. So I just have that twinge of guilt at not supporting the university.
That is exactly my problem. If I lived in SJ I'd go to see Purdue just to see a fellow B1G school play. In that case, I'd show up a little before kick wearing maybe my B1G Conference shirt and I'd get a pretty good deal. I'd be scared to spend the cash on air/hotel then show up outside the stadium wearing Purdue gear. I'm just thinking that scalpers aren't stupid. They know that a guy who got himself there wearing Purdue gear isn't going to miss the game. Maybe I'm wrong but it isn't a risk I would take if I were you.
I also agree on being worth a splurge but I would advise you to look carefully at all of the options. Splurge might be a relative term anyway because this game probably will not sell out and I can't imagine that they get the same rate for even the VIP areas that they would for the types of bowl games I have attended (Rose bowl between #2 and #4, three BCSNCG's, a CFP semi-final, and an Orange Bowl between top-10 teams). What I have frequently found is that there are price gaps that don't make inherent sense.
I've found that sometimes the lowest "get in" price (usually upper corner) is pretty close to a decent sideline upper seat. I'll pay a small increase for that because I consider it to be a big upgrade but then a lot of times the next step is like 2x for a marginally better seat. I will not pay 2x unless the seat is a LOT better. Another thing is that personally, I don't mind being up high, but I want to be somewhere near the center if reasonably possible. I actually hate being in the front row. I did that once and I'm not 6-6 like most football players so mostly all I could see was the back of their jerseys.
In summary, I would look around the stubhub site extensively. There are sometimes relative bargains that you have to look for.
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One more thing:
This might be especially relevant for an alum who lives FAR from their school and doesn't get to go to their events often. Consider that with the University seats you are very likely to sit with a bunch of Purdue fans/alums. That might be valuable to you.
I would also check with the University about pregame activities. You probably know from reading this board that I have been to Ohio State games at all 14 B1G Stadiums. For some away games Ohio State has a group tailgate. We went to that at Iowa, Nebraska (part of the time, part of the time at Fearless' awesome tailgate), Rutgers, and a few others. Those were always fun. You'll be in with a group of Purdue alums and you don't get that often so you might enjoy it.
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Thanks medina...
I actually would sacrifice low row in the corner / end zone for something higher but between the 40s... I don't like corner or end zone seats.
And while I think it'd be cool to be in the "Purdue section", I'd rather take a good seat (on the Purdue side of the stadium) than have a poor seat in the alum section. While it's a west coast game (and so there will probably be more AZ fans than Purdue), it's not like I'm venturing deep into enemy territory. It's probably no more home field advantage for AZ than a Northwestern game ;-)
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Question for those of you who have traveled to a lot of bowl games.
Is it better to get tickets through the university, or through Ticketmaster?
Thoughts?
I'm good for about 1 Bowl game a season and always just pony up and use the fee heavy ressellers. Usually one of the three - Stubhub, TicketCity, and Ticketmaster are notably cheaper than the other two but it's unpredictable which one. Check all three.
If it's really been 17 years since your last game, and you've already established a good flight + hotel deal I'd pay whatever it takes to get prime seats. $300 for a midfield pair is worth it, IMO.
Really wish I was attending too. This wasn't the Bowl I was counting on; instead was hoping for something within driving distance of Phoenix. But will gladly take after last years miserable 3-9 season.
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Was thinking the same. It's nice to be in a bowl, but nicer that it's a "real" bowl. I remember in 2007 how relieved I was not just the MSU ended their bowl drought, but that the Motor City Bowl rumors didn't come true, and they wound up playing Boston College in the Champs Sports Bowl. Getting back to a bowl at all was good, but I'm glad for Purdue fans it's not against Ohio at Ford Field.
They did play Ohio during the regular season. So that would be a strange match up indeed.
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Depending on how good the seats you want are scalping for a bowl like this is likely incredibly easy. This bowl ain't exactly gonna be an sellout. But if you prefer good seats (lower level between the 40 yard lines) you might as well StubHub or try through the school.
When I lived in Tempe I went to the Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl (formerly Insight, now the Cactus Bowl) and scalped both times. Probably one of the quickest and easiest transactions I've ever made.
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They did play Ohio during the regular season. So that would be a strange match up indeed.
A few years back [2007] we had a rematch with Central Michigan in the Motor City Bowl in Detroit. We played them in the 3rd game of the season, and faced them again in the bowl.
Luckily Purdue won both. I say "luckily" because despite it being a MAC team, those were the Dan LeFevour years and they were very dangerous...
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Good points, I can respect the desire for piece of mind. We were reluctant to face scalpers for an AU v UGA game, so we just buckled down on StubHub.
yup, my first bowl game after the 93 season, I had no idea and the internet wasn't humming yet. I bought tickets early for the Husker/Seminole orange bowl and sat in the upper corner.
went back a year later for the victory over the canes in the Orange bowl. Splurged and paid good money early for great seats. good call.
went to the Fiesta for the #1 vs #2 huskers/gators after the 95 season. sold out early. ex-wife bought me a standing room only ticket before xmas. While walking to the stadium I could have purchased a much better seat for $20 more. Didn't spend any time checking other scalpers. assumed I could have done better scalping
the Rose bowl vs the Canes was worse, my brother and others I was traveling with needed peace of mind so we purchased tickets early, as I parked the rental car on the golf course I was immediately greeted by scalpers that had fist fulls of better tickets for about half of what we had paid.
I also scalped tickets for our party of 4 for the Husker's Big Ten champ game in Indy an hour before kick. Good seats for less money than face.
but, I understand peace of mind and having good seats as opposed to poor seats.
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Hey @bwarbiany (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=19) I ordered through JPC for some of my fraternity bros who work in the Tech Valley. They got the high priced tix, $129 each. They will be between the 20's in the section closest to the field.
And when I say I ordered through JPC, that was just for priority last Friday. The Purdue Athletic ticket block should be on general sale now, and you would simply be behind those guys now.
If I heard correctly Purdue has to sell 7k tix to not have to eat any.
While all the hype and hope was for Nashville to make the super easy road trip, I think Purdue will get a pretty decent crowd since it's been 5 years since last bowl. Everybody knew we were going to get crushed by #10 Okie St in Dallas in 2012, as we didn't even have a coach at that point, and there still was a pretty darn solid Purdue contingent there.
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Edit: here it is according to a secondary market site: Purdue will be along the sideline in front of sections 135-141 while Arizona will be along sections 111-119. That suggests the best sideline seats, not the corners. I'd still make a phone call to Purdue.
Yup, JPC told me C135 to 141 are the good seats they get, so the ones that are $129.
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Well, my girlfriend is in charge on the tickets. Merry Christmas to me :)
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Hey Bwar, how was the game? While I was watching it on TV I remembered that you were going. I hope you had a great time!
As far as the game:
I'm really glad the B1G got another win to get to 2-0. Right after the half I thought the Boilers had a chance to blow it wide open. Too bad they didn't, but they did what they needed to do and got the W.
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Congrats to Purdue & Coach Brohm. Tough game winning drive to watch if you're on the losing side of the rooting interest.
If you're a Wildcats fan like me, it's not losing a game like this that's the bummer, it's knowing the defense under RichRod will be an after thought and thus never be able to close out games, even when they did post one of their better efforts of the season during that 2nd half.
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I was very surprised Purdue won that game on that last drive. I felt in the 2nd half Purdue should have pounded Arz DL more and instead kept with the passing game, even though the Purdue QB cooled and began missing wide open guys.
Arizona... I really thought they'd be more successful on the edges, but credit Purdue and the LB core for staying home, shedding blocks and knowing their assignments. I thought they played an excellent game and kept Arizona from being more successful on the edge or with any misdirection plays.
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Good win for Purdue. Brohm may be bringing Basketball on Grass, Part 2 to West Lafayette. If he continues to succeed, will he stay or will he bolt for a bigger job? There probably won't be as many attractive openings after next season, so I fully expect him to be around at least until 2019, but after that, who knows.
Arizona seems to be caught between a rock and a hard place - RichRod probably won't get them over the hump, but he's also not doing poorly enough to be relieved of his duties. For right now, the best he can hope for is duking it out for 3rd place (USC/UCLA will be a doozie for the next few years)
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Umm, what? Not that RichRod needs to be told not to play defense
@slmandel: Remember that Purdue fake kneel down play? Both Rich Rod & Arizona's players say the refs told them beforehand it was a kneel & not to rush the passer.
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Yeah, while perusing various message boards last night after the game (I drank 5 Mt. Dews during the game so it took me a while to go to sleep) a few were discussing this. Most of the people who had reffing experience hated that play. Refs will tell defenses to not try to spear the offense players who are taking a knee for player safety. The posters were afraid this would set a bad precedence and defenses would always crash the victory formation because there is a chance the offense is faking.
In this case, I think the refs saw a kneeling play and told the defense to not crash, but since the offense never specifically told them they were taking a knee, they couldn't throw a flag on it. I guess there was a Michigan game a few years ago where something similar happened and the refs called a foul citing "intent to deceive" or something like that.
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I'd suggest you don't need to crash, but at the same time, you don't have to just stand still. Part of the issue or success of the play was Arizona basically stood still and didn't react.
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In this case, I think the refs saw a kneeling play and told the defense to not crash, but since the offense never specifically told them they were taking a knee, they couldn't throw a flag on it. I guess there was a Michigan game a few years ago where something similar happened and the refs called a foul citing "intent to deceive" or something like that.
They were, but totally different circumstances. There UM huddled up with like 14 guys, and 4, including Butt ran out before breaking the huddle, towards the sidelines. Three ran off, but Butt stood right on the sidelines, and UM broke the huddle with only 10 men. Rutgers assumed Butt had subbed out, didn't cover him, they threw it to him, but that was a 15 yard penalty, for simulating substitution as a matter of deception. That one IIRC is spelled out very clearly in the rulebook, as weird as the wording was at the time, it was an obviously correct call.
This is different. I don't think there is any rule against crashing the line, it's just one of those unwritten rules. I do agree that it may lead to teams refusing to honor that, and may lead to a rule change down the line about running a play out of a victory formation.
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Hey Bwar, how was the game? While I was watching it on TV I remembered that you were going. I hope you had a great time!
Great time! Got to tailgate a little bit with @integrinB4 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1594) (thanks for the beers Mike!), and then we had 6th-row seats right on the 25 yard line. I'm surprised I didn't have a heart attack during that 2nd half, but the right team won in the end.
I think the game played out about how I expected. Purdue sold out against the run, and basically contained it well. They unfortunately sold out a little TOO hard, giving Tate some wide-open receivers in completely busted coverage. Of Tate's 5 touchdown passes, at least 3 were completely blown coverage. The first one was right after Purdue's starting safety went out with an injury, and they just abused his replacement. But they kept burning us when safeties played too run-heavy all game.
I was very surprised Purdue won that game on that last drive. I felt in the 2nd half Purdue should have pounded Arz DL more and instead kept with the passing game, even though the Purdue QB cooled and began missing wide open guys.
Arizona... I really thought they'd be more successful on the edges, but credit Purdue and the LB core for staying home, shedding blocks and knowing their assignments. I thought they played an excellent game and kept Arizona from being more successful on the edge or with any misdirection plays.
Disagree a little. In the 3rd quarter Sindelar had a couple throws that were on target but Mahongou couldn't catch them. One of which resulted in the interception; a catchable ball that Mahongou tipped into the DB's hands. We weren't making great strides running the ball at the time, but if a few of those passes had been caught it would have changed the game.
I thought Tate did an exceptional job of avoiding sacks, but Purdue made sure he didn't beat us with his legs. Damn near beat us with his arm though.
Yeah, while perusing various message boards last night after the game (I drank 5 Mt. Dews during the game so it took me a while to go to sleep) a few were discussing this. Most of the people who had reffing experience hated that play. Refs will tell defenses to not try to spear the offense players who are taking a knee for player safety. The posters were afraid this would set a bad precedence and defenses would always crash the victory formation because there is a chance the offense is faking.
In this case, I think the refs saw a kneeling play and told the defense to not crash, but since the offense never specifically told them they were taking a knee, they couldn't throw a flag on it. I guess there was a Michigan game a few years ago where something similar happened and the refs called a foul citing "intent to deceive" or something like that.
When I saw them come out in that formation I was confused. There was a minute left and AZ had 3 time outs. There's no way you take a knee there because you'll punt the ball to them and give them 45 seconds to drive for a FG or TD. I was so taken aback by it that I actually said out loud "What the hell are we doing?! There's too much time left!"
If you're trying to go into the half with the lead, you run the ball and hope to secure *1* first down or get enough yardage on that first down that AZ doesn't stop the clock for you. You absolutely don't take a knee because then they know they can burn 3 TOs and get the ball with time.
Anyone on that field should have known the time / TO situation and known that Brohm is NOT stupid enough to take a knee there. If Arizona's defense didn't respect that, that's on them and their coaches for failing to be prepared.
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Good win for Purdue. Brohm may be bringing Basketball on Grass, Part 2 to West Lafayette. If he continues to succeed, will he stay or will he bolt for a bigger job?
I'm wary of giving guys extensions after 1 year, it backfires a many of times (Charlie Weiss) but I'd probably discuss it with Brohm and get a massive buyout, so at least when he bolts you get some cash back. It'd be great if he stayed for a decade, but if he keeps winning 7-8 games at purdue he'll get a shot to move on somewhere else. no ties like fitz at NU
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How was the Levi venue for those of you in attendance. Crowd looked as large as the crowd for a Niners game. :93:
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How was the Levi venue for those of you in attendance. Crowd looked as large as the crowd for a Niners game. :93:
The stadium was very nice. Almost everyone was on the club level, and the accommodations on the club level were great.
I don't go to many NFL games, so I don't know how it compares to other stadiums, but there was absolutely nothing to complain about except the $12 beers :singing:
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$12 beers are OK once a year during bowl season
especially when your team comes away with the "W"