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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: ELA on December 04, 2017, 10:57:41 AM
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Some players echoing fans disappointment over getting jumped, but plenty of time to refocus, and MD loves to have a new reason for a chip.
Have to get it turned around quickly, because this joins the Alamo Bowl and the Citrus Bowl as being the three bowls outside the NY6 to feature a pair of Top 20 teams.
Should really test this defense too, as this is the type of offense which has consistently confounded MSU's defense since MD has gotten there, teams that spread you out to throw it.
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Will be interested to see how many MSU fans show up. I've talked to atl east three that planned on following MSU to their bowl, that now can't swing it with a midweek game that requires taking additional vacation days versus a NYD game.
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There sure are a lot of Big Ten-Pac 12 matchups, for a non-Rose Bowl year.
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outside of the CFP and the OSU-USC, this might be the game I am most interested in watching.
Dantonio vs The Pirate. Should be a great game.
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Hopefully the Pirate is still there
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Hopefully the Pirate is still there
didn't he turn Tennessee down? or is that heating up again?
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didn't he turn Tennessee down? or is that heating up again?
Started heating up again. I don't think it goes anywhere, but you never know.
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Very intriguing matchup. Huge test for the MSU defense, but they should be able to put some points up themselves.
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didn't he turn Tennessee down? or is that heating up again?
I think the Tennessee A.D. got told to cease discussions and come home. And then he got fired.
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I think the Tennessee A.D. got told to cease discussions and come home. And then he got fired.
Yeah, I think that's the important distinction. I don't think he ever actually turned them down.
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WSU opens as a 4.5 point favorite, but it's down to 3 within five minnutes
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Wazzu -3 seems right. pretty much a pick em game. flip a coin.
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Leach led teams have had an interesting bowl game history. They've torched some teams, had some wild comebacks, and then have had a few sputtering outings. I guess most coaches who end up coaching a lot of bowl games have similar marks.
IIRC, his last bowl game at TT, he wasn't the coach anymore, a win over Mich State.
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IIRC, his last bowl game at TT, he wasn't the coach anymore, a win over Mich State.
Correct, that was when MSU paid the price for MD making the wrong decision and letting Winston back on the team. I think MSU had like 15 guys suspended for that game. Upside was that it was the beginning of Keith Nichol moving permanently to WR, where he was pretty good. Caught the winning hail mary against Wisconsin a couple years later.
I think MSU kicked a FG to go up, and led with like 5 minutes left, but Raiders scored a pair of touchdowns late to win it.
At the time it was the highest tv rating ESPN had ever gotten for a bowl game (remembering back then the BCS games were on ABC, not ESPN)
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Very intriguing matchup. Huge test for the MSU defense, but they should be able to put some points up themselves.
That's more reputation than anything. Defense was ahead of the offense on the Palouse. I think 13th in the NCAA in scoring defense...playing in the Pac 12.
S&P ranks them as the #57 offense and the #23 defense in the nation. So (based on S&P) it's MSU's #106 offense against WSU's #23 defense; and WSU's #57 offense against MSU's #7 defense.
Could be lower scoring than people are thinking.
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Just read WSU's best defender will be suspended for the first half of the game for a targeting ejection in the second half of the Apple Cup.
So we got that going for us, which is nice.
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Should be an interesting game. Big Ten defense v. spread offense. Good luck, MSU!
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LJ Scott says he'll.play in the game, then decide after on declaring. Honestly a little surprised.
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Tavares Martin Jr. and Isaiah Johnson-Mack, two of Wazzu's top 3 WR's in terms of production have been dismissed from the program. Yikes. That's a bit of a break for Sparty, makes it a little bit easier on the defense, I'd think. The Pirate likes to spread it around, so I'm sure it'll still be a bit of a bitch to cover those 5 wide looks every single down.
Link: http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21729601/tavares-martin-jr-washington-state-cougars-dismissed-violating-team-rules
Tavares Martin Jr. and Isaiah Johnson-Mack combined for 130 catches and 1,386 yards and 14 touchdowns. Were high school teammates from Belle Glade, FL, both dismissed at the end of the regular season. Kinda odd.
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Per Twitter, they asked for a release to transfer, and we're subsequently dismissed.
I mean I can't go to my boss and ask him if it's cool if I miss work Monday for a job interview, and not expect to get fired.
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Per Twitter, they asked for a release to transfer, and we're subsequently dismissed.
I mean I can't go to my boss and ask him if it's cool if I miss work Monday for a job interview, and not expect to get fired.
yeah, don't blame Leach for telling them to go pound sand.
Just odd that they are both transferring, when they were clearly both more productive than ever playing for him. Were HS teammates in Belle Glade, maybe they just want to be closer to home and transfer to like Miami, UCF, USF, UF, or FSU?
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Although as I posted earlier, it's more reputation than anything. Their offense was pretty mediocre this year, but their defense was really good. Too 25 nationally by S&P+
Hercules being out the first half for a targeting call in the Apple Cup is probably a bigger absense.
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Per Twitter, they asked for a release to transfer, and we're subsequently dismissed.
I mean I can't go to my boss and ask him if it's cool if I miss work Monday for a job interview, and not expect to get fired.
Those situations are always weird. I've been in some spots where I can ask. Considering the alternative is usually lying and saying, I have a personal situation, it seems bad on either front.
Of course, if I have a boss who is ready to throw a fit if I'm seeking professional advancement or more money, that individual is probably not a good one to work for.
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Yeah, but that's real life.
As an employer, I always want to keep my people (my greatest assets are my people) but at the same time if they can find advancement elsewhere that I cannot provide, I have and always will do my best to help them.
This is probably why none of my people ever leave unless I want them to. :)
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Those situations are always weird. I've been in some spots where I can ask. Considering the alternative is usually lying and saying, I have a personal situation, it seems bad on either front.
Of course, if I have a boss who is ready to throw a fit if I'm seeking professional advancement or more money, that individual is probably not a good one to work for.
Here I have no problem with what Leach did. You want to move on, that's fine. We'll play with the kids that want to be here. Just like I have no problem with kids skipping the bowl games to prepare/protect themselves for the draft, if you have a kid who is asking for permission to look around, before the season is over, I'd rather use the bowl game practices and game on the kids that want to be here, and/or want to be here going forward.
This one is a two way street that I have no issue with either way.
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http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2017/12/michigan_state_de_robert_bower.html
Redshirt Junior back-up DE Robert Bowers dismissed from the team by Dantonio. Redshirt freshmen safety Austin Andrews and true freshman DE Lashawn Paulino-Bell are suspended for the Holiday Bowl, won't make the trip with the team.
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I think Bowers has been gone for about 6 weeks, it just came up now because MSU released a bowl roster.
The other two, rumors are alcohol releated offenses. Both are under 21 I assume based on their class.
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sounds like Washington State's DC is going to be leaving to join Urban Meyer's staff at Ohio State as the 10th coach. Wow. Consider me shocked. I know the guy is from Columbus, but that's just....strange. Washington State was trying to extend him and give him a pay raise. Wonder if he coaches in the bowl game?
This probably means this will be Schiano's last year as DC and this guy will take over in 2019. That'd be my guess. Either that or he hates working for Mike Leach lol.
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sounds like Washington State's DC is going to be leaving to join Urban Meyer's staff at Ohio State as the 10th coach. Wow. Consider me shocked. I know the guy is from Columbus, but that's just....strange. Washington State was trying to extend him and give him a pay raise. Wonder if he coaches in the bowl game?
This probably means this will be Schiano's last year as DC and this guy will take over in 2019. That'd be my guess. Either that or he hates working for Mike Leach lol.
Exactly.
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looks like the Wazzu DC to OSU is official now.
My guess is he'll get the Co-Dc title and Schiano is in his last year at OSU. Would be something if Chris Ash gets fired from Rutgers after this year and Schiano goes back to Rutgers. I'd actually love to see that happen. I think Schiano could bring some juice back to Rutgers. Would like to see him go back there and build that program up another level. Would be really good for the B1G. I was against them bringing Rutgers in because I didn't want them to add a team just for TV revenue and the NYC metro tv market. Wanted them to bring teams that actually bring something to the field. Think they can be that sort of team if Schiano returns to Rutgers.
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For all the good he's done at TTech and Wazzu Leach doesn't have a stellar bowl record at all. Even without their top WRs being gone and DC to OSU I'd pick MSU to win this one.
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Wazzu D-coordinator is an up and comer
some Husker fans were hoping he would be joining Frost's staff, since defense wasn't UCF's strong suite.
I'm taking Sparty in this game.
Bullish on the Big Ten this bowl season
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MSU has swung from +3.5 to -1.5
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Luke Falk injured his non throwing wrist in the Apple Cup, and while apparently he's been cleared to play (again non-throwing), he may not.
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Probably explains the Vegas point swing
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Probably explains the Vegas point swing
IIRC Falk got benched at one point during the season, so the gap between the two guys probably isn't huge, and for both him and the program, getting the returning guy these bowl game reps, while not risking further injury to Falk, may be a win for both sides.
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I spotted some Sparty fans in San Diego today.
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I'd love to watch this game, but not enough to pay for FS1
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I spotted some Sparty fans in San Diego today.
The overall crowd is better than I would have expected.
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I'd love to watch this game, but not enough to pay for FS1
Is FS1 a premium tier? I did not know this.
I've watched a lot of Wazzu this year, i think Falk was benched a couple times.
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TCU with more tricks blowing up in their face. That was a swell set up, poorly executed though.
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Is FS1 a premium tier? I did not know this.
I've watched a lot of Wazzu this year, i think Falk was benched a couple times.
Yeah, mentioned that earlier. Once Falk starts throwing picks, he throws them in bunches, and Leach gave up on him a couple times. Problem they have with this kid is zero arm strength. Every time MSU gets them in 3rd and long, they are toast.
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LJ announcing in post game that he is coming back. MSU could be real good.
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probably make sense that LJ comes back, there's a bunch of good RBs that will go out this year, and LJ would be maybe a 4th rounder? he's a good college back, NFL? he can probably play, I don't see pro bowl material there.
and you're right, I would not be surprised to see many people pick MSU to win the East next year. I think OSU will be there, but breaking in a new QB, and the D line won't be as good, and MSU gets them in east lansing. they get UM in east lansing. they travel to PSU, but if Barkley leaves (which I'd expect), the lions lose a lot on defense, still have mcsquirrley coming back though. I think any of those teams have legit chances at pulling off the East crown, MSU probably returns as much as anyone I'm assuming, I know they played a ton of underclassmen this year, and if lewerke progresses, they'll be a tough out for anyone.
I think I'm planning on this to be my road game for next year, easy drive, ticket prices cheaper than a home OSU game, nice campus (open container dude!)
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East should be a lot of fun next year. MSU and UM return basically everybody. OSU and PSU should each take a half step back, but still have tons of talent, just depends on how quickly they get up to speed. And don't sleep on Maryland as Durkin's guys continue to mature, and they get their QBs back.