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The Power Five => SEC => Tennessee => Topic started by: gymvol on October 11, 2020, 09:36:30 AM
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Phat Phil gave a contract extension to coach Tater Head who has a less than average record and hasn't beaten a top quality team in or out of the conference.
A coach who isn't smart enough to recognize what the rest of the world can see that his starting QB isn't worth a damn when it comes to playing against really good teams.
The only thing I can figure out Fulmer has a vendetta against UT for firing his lazy fat ass and is doing it for revenge.
The bigger question would be why would a university rehire someone who had raked them over the coals in the tune of 6 million dollars when he was fired the first time. There are many more qualified people who would have done a better job of hiring a head football coach than what Phat Phil hired?
So the only thing I can figure it has to be revenge against UT and the fans who wanted Fulmer gone especially when he hired the most hated of our rivals a BAMA alum.
I think that part was Fulmer rubbing it in our face.
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Who is the backup? I'm not sure many QBs would have done well in the second half unable to run the ball and under heavy pressure when passing.
JG made two pinpoint throws for TDs and played a good first half. Maybe Manziel could have done better in the second half. Maybe.
They were facing a different defense than Mizzou and USCe have.
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I've never seen a QB have a good day passing while on his back.
When you have no running game and the defense only has to key on the OB there's no way JG is going to have a good day.
The problem wasn't the QB. The OL had a terrible day. They were completely overmatched by UGA's defensive line.
JG is not a great QB but he's not a bad QB. He's a servicebale QB and if we had a better alternative JG wouldn't be playing.
We don't have an alternative at the moment but help is on the way.Bailey will be a 3-4 year starter but he missed almost all of pre-season practice due to Covid isolation. It would not be fair to him to throw him in when not ready.
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Tennessee averaged 0.0 yards per rush. JG got sacked 5 times, and I don't remember one that was a coverage sack. Was that JG's fault? The O-line got physically whipped by a dominant GA DL. If you can't run the ball and you can't protect your QB, then you can't place 100% of the blame on the QB.
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Since you were complaing about the AD giving Pruitt a contract extension....
Pruitt's extension is almost all perfornamce related.
He has incentives for winning games and winning championships otherwise there's not a lot of money increase in the package. Pruitt accepted the contract becuase he was betting on himself and betting he could turn the team around. I don't know how anyone could complain about that.
The guy you call "Phat Phil" knows what he's doing. He knew Pruitt inherited a team that had virtually no SEC talent and knew it would take 4-5 years to get back to where we need to be,
We're in year 3 and it appears he was correct. We're winning the games we are favored and we just lost to a team we were two TD underdogs.
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I thought yesterday's game was a good guage as to where we are as a team. We hung tough for one half and the talent diference and UGA's depth showed up the second half.
I have to say I thought our OL was much better. The UGA DL completely overwhlemed our OL and I wasn't expecting that.
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So the score would have been much closer without the turnovers.
Ok well we got the early one and 7 off that.
So our D scored 7 and their D scored 7.
Our D played decent till they got run down by constant turnovers.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4035167/jarrett-guarantano
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Good coaches know the other teams weaknesses except maybe Tater Head and UT's weakness on offense is JG at QB. He can play good against the little sisters of the poor but put him against good teams when the game is on the line and he is not the go to guy.
A mediocre Indiana team from the Big Ten showed him up last year in a bowl game and if not for luck TN loses because Indiana certainly out played them and made him look bad most of the entire game.
Georgia stacked the line of scrimmage and shifted defenses knowing JG couldn't beat them throwing the ball, he can't and he didn't . Hell every coach in the conference knows his limitations and they get in his head just like Kirby Smart did as all good coaches have done.
A five year starting senior QB should have improved in all areas but he hasn't. When it comes to protecting the ball he looks like a freshman against a good defense. He could have taken sacks instead he fumbled three times and threw an interception so he still hasn't learned to protect the ball. Same thing he was doing as a freshman.
A passing game opens up the run game but Georgia never worried about JG beating them throwing the ball. They know his tendencies and his weakness in the passing game something the Tennessee coaches can't seem to see.
If Tennessee had brought in Maurer you would have seen Georgia change their defense because as most of us know his the better QB especially passing and scrambling with the ball.
Hell Maurer had a better game as a freshman last year against Georgia than JG did as a 5th year senior this year.
If you can't see that then take off your orange tinted glasses.
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Look...you hate JG, Pruitt and Fulmer...we get that.
If I want to look for everything negative imaginable I would probably agree.
I happen to think we're on the right track by building a team from the ground up.
When you have a young team like we do you're going to have days like yesterday.
I have to note that you had to wait an entire year... since our last loss was October of last year that we lost to come out blasting our team, our QB, our coach and our AD.
We have to agree to disagree on this one.
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Since you were complaing about the AD giving Pruitt a contract extension....
Pruitt's extension is almost all perfornamce related.
He has incentives for winning games and winning championships otherwise there's not a lot of money increase in the package. Pruitt accepted the contract becuase he was betting on himself and betting he could turn the team around. I don't know how anyone could complain about that.
The guy you call "Phat Phil" knows what he's doing. He knew Pruitt inherited a team that had virtually no SEC talent and knew it would take 4-5 years to get back to where we need to be,
We're in year 3 and it appears he was correct. We're winning the games we are favored and we just lost to a team we were two TD underdogs.
I am complaining as why we are rewarding someone when they haven't earned it or done anything to deserve it. That shit is why we have to keep buying out multi-million dollar contracts when it comes time to fire another bad hire. How many now since we bought out Fulmer who was getting extensions when his teams were getting worse?
That's the same song and excuse on rebuilding but it seems everyone except what Tennessee hires can do it in less time and show major improvement by year three.
Of course most coaches have sense enough to play the better players not someone just because they're a senior.
Tennessee's 5th year senior QB get's shown up by a walk on QB who wasn't even on the depth chart when the season started. Now that's coaching when you can recognize talent you have instead of playing by seniority or what ever reason is given as to why a coach still plays a less than mediocre QB or anyone else who isn't getting it done.
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I thought yesterday's game was a good guage as to where we are as a team. We hung tough for one half and the talent diference and UGA's depth showed up the second half.
I have to say I thought our OL was much better. The UGA DL completely overwhlemed our OL and I wasn't expecting that.
I thought so too. But UGA's been getting 4 and 5-star recruits for a few years now, and it shows.
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So.....how well do you think the walk-on QB would have done while laying on his back or running for his life?
Apparently you didn't watch the same game I did.
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Look...you hate JG, Pruitt and Fulmer...we get that.
If I want to look for everything negative imaginable I would probably agree.
I happen to think we're on the right track by building a team from the ground up.
When you have a young team like we do you're going to have days like yesterday.
I have to note that you had to wait an entire year... since our last loss was October of last year that we lost to come out blasting our team, our QB, our coach and our AD.
We have to agree to disagree on this one.
I don't hate anyone but I quit wearing the orange tinted glasses and being a sunshine pumper for mediocrity long ago while we pay millions of dollars for quality we aren't getting.
I don't hate Fulmer but I do dislike him because he is a back stabbing, self serving low life that thinks the University of Tennessee owes him and he is entitled to be there.
He had that attitude when he was coaching and felt he was treated unfairly yet he stabbed Majors in the back to steal his job just as he worked behind the scenes against the last AD to steal his job.
Now if you like people like that that's your prerogative but personally I consider anyone who would do that especially to a friend a dishonorable person who is scum of the earth and lower than whale shit on the bottom of the ocean.
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Here’s the real deal fellas.
The team, and talent is improved. However, the OL played like hot garbage yesterday, and were obviously the most overrated bunch of 5 stars in history. Completely whipped. Embarrassing.
Now, I know it’s just as popular to defend JG, as it is to bash him, but after 4-5 years at UT, he stinks. Sorry JG defenders, he is indefensible at this point. Time to move on from him, permanently. But, Pruitt wont. And, that is one of my only real criticisms of him. He is loyal to JG to a fault, or blind, or just plain QB stupid. Not sure which, but none of it is good.
Georgia appears to be the real deal. I expect them to beat Bama next week. Their defense is suffocating.
We are a QB away from taking the next step. JG has bad energy. A negative vibe. A losers mentality. There is no path forward with him. It’s all been seen and done before. He is what we thought he was. And....that is not good enough .
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So.....how well do you think the walk-on QB would have done while laying on his back or running for his life?
Apparently you didn't watch the same game I did.
I watched the game that's why I posted what I did. Evidently you don't know as much about football as you think and could see what others are pointing if you weren't such a Homer.
You can try to place the blame elsewhere but it all starts with the QB and yes if the QB roles were reversed and JG played for Georgia and Georgia's walk on QB had played for TN the out come of the game would have been totally different.
Their guy is a play maker while JG is an excuse maker. People keep making excuses for him.
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I seriously doubt Bennett would have done well at all against the UGA pass rush and lack of any ground game, but that's an opinion.
The Dawg D is based on coming at you from different angles with fast players and substituting constantly so everyone is going all out. It's not easy to block those guys.
Bo Nix didn't look very good either, 21 for 40 with an INT and 177 yards. JG was 23 for 36 for 215 and 1 INT. Bo Nix is supposedly to be pretty good. Auburn managed 39 total yards rushing.
Pretty similar games aside from turnovers, and the two TD passes JG made into tight windows.
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Here's how I feel and what I am......
I admit I'm a homer, a die hard fan regardless of wins or losses.
UT has enough critics who choose to call the coaches names like "TaterHead" and our AD "Phat Phil".
It that makes you feel better about yourself..knock yourself out.
The critics are what got us into the sad state of affairs we're been in.
Firing one coach after another, criticizing everything that happens has prevented coaches we've gone after to decline.
Pruitt is not flashy, he's not a Mike Leach or other headline grabbing coach out there, but he knows football. He's a good coach and given time we'll be back where we belong.
His career and reputation are on the line everytime we take the field and if he thinks JG is the best possible QB at this time then I trust his judgement.
Second guessing coaches and coaching decisions is a hobby a lot of people enjoy.....it's just not what I choose to do even when I do get frustrated with the outcome.
I'll never publically criticize a player and think it doesn't relfect well on anyone who does.
Now...you're free to call be a sunshine pumper, a homer, an apologist whatever comes to mind but that's the way I feel and not planning on changing.
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I will criticize a player for apparently lack of effort on the field AND really poor sportsmanship, like spraying Gatorade on an opponent on the sideline.
Crass immature move, and I hope he runs until he drops today.
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Here's how I feel and what I am......
I admit I'm a homer, a die hard fan regardless of wins or losses.
UT has enough critics who choose to call the coaches names like "TaterHead" and our AD "Phat Phil".
It that makes you feel better about yourself..knock yourself out.
The critics are what got us into the sad state of affairs we're been in.
Firing one coach after another, criticizing everything that happens has prevented coaches we've gone after to decline.
Pruitt is not flashy, he's not a Mike Leach or other headline grabbing coach out there, but he knows football. He's a good coach and given time we'll be back where we belong.
His career and reputation are on the line everytime we take the field and if he thinks JG is the best possible QB at this time then I trust his judgement.
Second guessing coaches and coaching decisions is a hobby f a lot of people enjoy.....it's just not what I choose to do even when I do get frustrated with the outcome.
I'll never publically criticize a player and think it doesn't relfect well on anyone who does.
Now...you're free to call be a sunshine pumper, a homer, an apologist whatever comes to mind but that's the way I feel and not planning on changing.
Admirable stance, road.
But there is no harm in questioning coaching decisions. Dooley was a fool. And so was Jones. They didn’t earn any fan trust, and were rightfully fired.
Coaches aren’t gods, and they make plenty enough to take some heat.
And JG sucks. Period. He is like 28 years old by now. Not a kid. He can take it too....on a message board among fans. I’d never disparage him to his face out of decorum.
I agree on Pruitt. He knows football, and he should get more time. He better get that QB thing figured out pretty quick though, else his benefit of the doubt, and goodwill, get exhausted.
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I didn't say anything about questioning coaches....lol
Every fan is a wannabe coach....including myself.
I just don't go on fan boards criticizing every choice a coach makes or call him juvenile names.
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I didn't say anything about questioning coaches....lol
Every fan is a wannabe coach....including myself.
sure you did. I didn’t make it up.
Second guessing coaches and coaching decisions is a hobby f a lot of people enjoy.....it's just not what I choose to do even when I do get frustrated with the outcome.
The critics are what got us into the sad state of affairs we're been in.
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Pruitt >>>> Dooley, Jones.
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Pruitt >>>> Dooley, Jones.
Not enough >>>> signs.
Not sure the bandwidth is available to stress the difference.
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sure you did. I didn’t make it up.
I meant by going on fan boards and criticizing every decision and calling coaches and players juvenile names.
It really doesn't help and just gives other fan boards reason to laugh at us.
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sure you did. I didn’t make it up.
I meant by going on fan boards and criticizing every decision and calling coaches and players juvenile names.
It really doesn't help and just gives other fan boards reason to laugh at us.
I am guilty.
Fortunately, we aren’t alone. Every fan base does it. So we are all fools.
One could opine that we are even stupider by arguing in futility over politics, day after day.
But, it’s entertaining. Even if fruitless. 😎
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Good point.
That's just my personal opinion on criticisim.
I'm not at all reluctant to criticize other school's coaches....;)
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I see Miss State managed 2 points against UK yesterday, and lost to Arky last week.
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Here’s the real deal fellas.
The team, and talent is improved. However, the OL played like hot garbage yesterday, and were obviously the most overrated bunch of 5 stars in history. Completely whipped. Embarrassing.
Now, I know it’s just as popular to defend JG, as it is to bash him, but after 4-5 years at UT, he stinks. Sorry JG defenders, he is indefensible at this point. Time to move on from him, permanently. But, Pruitt wont. And, that is one of my only real criticisms of him. He is loyal to JG to a fault, or blind, or just plain QB stupid. Not sure which, but none of it is good.
Georgia appears to be the real deal. I expect them to beat Bama next week. Their defense is suffocating.
We are a QB away from taking the next step. JG has bad energy. A negative vibe. A losers mentality. There is no path forward with him. It’s all been seen and done before. He is what we thought he was. And....that is not good enough .
Yes, OL is big time overrated. I was surprised at how badly they played. Quit or completely over-matched?
I mainly agree on JG. Will be good to see him move on (finally). I did not understand why JG was still in the game after it was decided. Give someone else some playing time! Anyone.
I don't see GA beating Bama. Talent is mostly equal. Bama has the better, more experienced QB. Bama is at home. If one team chokes it will likely be GA and not Bama. Could be Bama's only real test during the regular season and they will be ready. I hope I am wrong as I enjoy few things better than Bama losing.
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I've never seen a QB have a good day passing while on his back.
When you have no running game and the defense only has to key on the OB there's no way JG is going to have a good day.
The problem wasn't the QB. The OL had a terrible day. They were completely overmatched by UGA's defensive line.
JG is not a great QB but he's not a bad QB. He's a servicebale QB and if we had a better alternative JG wouldn't be playing.
We don't have an alternative at the moment but help is on the way.Bailey will be a 3-4 year starter but he missed almost all of pre-season practice due to Covid isolation. It would not be fair to him to throw him in when not ready.
If I recall correctly some of the QB core had injuries as well. The Rec, group missed alot of time due to covid. Most of the line has not got to practice together which is critical to perform as a unit. The DL and LBs are short handed. DB depth will get better as practice time increases.
This team is better than last years. More quality help is coming. Some will take time to develop but more and more quality players are signing or we are in the mix for that are instant players.
CJP inherited a CF just like Majors did. It will still take time.
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I thought yesterday's game was a good guage as to where we are as a team. We hung tough for one half and the talent diference and UGA's depth showed up the second half.
I have to say I thought our OL was much better. The UGA DL completely overwhlemed our OL and I wasn't expecting that.
Without the TO's the game would have been much closer. You don't give Ga. or the Bamas of the worlds free possessions on a short field and survive
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I will criticize a player for apparently lack of effort on the field AND really poor sportsmanship, like spraying Gatorade on an opponent on the sideline.
Crass immature move, and I hope he runs until he drops today.
He deserves a suspension for that
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I would suspend him. It's not the first time, and he didn't learn from his antics last time.
I'd also explain to him clearly that he is costing himself a lot of money IF the NFL is still interested after next season.
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I mentioned it several times in the game yesterday. Mozzou brings in a true freshman QB with no spring and limited fall practice, and while playing UT, lights it up.
How does Mozzou find QBs over UT? That freshman played at a level JG is incapable of four years as starter... JG still stares down receivers... he still throws inaccurately more often than otherwise, and most importantly he doesn't inspire the team. He is a good kid by all accounts I know of, and he's seemingly busting his ass trying. He's being thrust into a position he's simply not equipped to handle.
"He practices lights out". He doesn't bring that to the game. "He is the best we have"..... how do yall know that? Trusting coaches? Well, we should... they know a hell of a lot more than we do, however- this clinging to JG is weird, super weird. It's prompted my belief that there is some sort of contract between the school and JG likely offered by Butch who was connected with the kids father and some relation to Rutgers. I could SO see daddy saying "yeah he'll play for you, but you must guarantee his participation and as starter" and dumb ass butch saying "oh yeah, sure thing! Brick by brick man!"... to the response "uh, no... put it in writing and under seal".
Last year Mauer was fragile. I've heard he's laid on some sophomore weight- and is 230ish now and solid. Thats huge because that, in my opinion, was his limitation last season. Maybe Bailey is the answer. The kid from USC, give him some reps...
The D broke down yesterday because they were whooped by the beginning of the third. They were on the field too much because of dumb ass mistakes by JG. They played inspired and like times of old early on and until the half. The goal line stand was legend. The last graphic I saw was UGA 70something plays to UTs 50something... I didn't see TOP, but it had to be equally lopsided. UGA is the better team by every measure, but UT withstood them well until the frustration and exhaustion took grip.
I like JG. He's a great kid. He's simply over his head. There is another reason he's playing..... there has to be.... with three QBs behind him who are highly touted, it doesn't make sense otherwise.
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Possession 23:22 36:38
Tenn had 63 plays, UGA ran 77.
Tenn was 4 for 17 on third down, UGA was 8 for 16 (and 0 for 2 on fourth down, still a problem for them).
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Sorry, someone deleted a post made here, to which I responded.
The post was not meant for this thread hence I deleted it. It was my post.
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I mentioned it several times in the game yesterday. Mozzou brings in a true freshman QB with no spring and limited fall practice, and while playing UT, lights it up.
Bazelak ( MO's QB) went 13-21 with no touchdowns and one interception
JG went 14-23 with a passing TD, two rushing TD's and no interceptions and won the game with no turnovers.
The MO QB didn't exactly light it up at a time when UT was playing 2 true freshmen in the defensive backfield due to injuries.
That's how urban legends get started.
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Here's how I feel and what I am...
Brace yourselves...
I admit I'm a homer, a die hard fan regardless of wins or losses.
Same here.
UT has enough critics who choose to call the coaches names like "TaterHead" and our AD "Phat Phil".
Agree. Too many.
It that makes you feel better about yourself..knock yourself out.
Gymmie's a bitter man.
The critics are what got us into the sad state of affairs we're been in.
Kinda true, but it's actually the UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS OF ENTITLED FANS that has spawned these critics.
Firing one coach after another, criticizing everything that happens has prevented coaches we've gone after to decline.
That's not the only reason. As you kinda admitted by refusing to argue before, Tennessee is a mid-tier SEC program and that's unlikely to change regardless of who's the coach.
Pruitt is not flashy, he's not a Mike Leach or other headline grabbing coach out there, but he knows football. He's a good coach
Completely agree.
and given time we'll be back where we belong.
THERE'S THE PROBLEM. THANK YOU FOR PROVING MY POINT.
We don't "belong" at the top of the East, we "belong" in 3rd place. We can win the East on occasion, whenever we are superior at quarterback, but I wouldn't get comfortable thinking that's where we "belong."
His career and reputation are on the line everytime we take the field and if he thinks JG is the best possible QB at this time then I trust his judgement.
Agree - good point.
Second guessing coaches and coaching decisions is a hobby a lot of people enjoy.....it's just not what I choose to do even when I do get frustrated with the outcome.
Agree. Kinda.
I'll never publically criticize a player and think it doesn't relfect well on anyone who does.
Not even that lime-green suit Casey Clausen used to wear during the Vol Walk?
Now...you're free to call be a sunshine pumper, a homer, an apologist whatever comes to mind but that's the way I feel and not planning on changing.
Always looking for an excuse to close your mind...
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That's not the only reason. As you kinda admitted by refusing to argue before, Tennessee is a mid-tier SEC program and that's unlikely to change regardless of who's the coach.
What you apparently don't understand about SEC football and never will is almost every team has been considered a mid tier program at one time or another.
Georgia was a mid tier program in the 90's and early 2000's , Florida had always been considered a mid tier or lower before Spurrier became coach. UT was one of the elites for several different eras and remains the second winningest program in SEC history even after a decade of futility.. It takes the right combination of coaching and school support to make a program elite and that is only fleeting.
Tennessee will be back, if not next year then 2, 3 4 years later.
If you follow UT and SEC you would know that.
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Obviously it starts with recruiting, and then player development, and then scheme, and then gameday, and a few other items (conditioning). Everyone knows that.
To the extent 247 recruiting figures means anything, Tenn has ranked 17th, 21st, 13th, and 10th since 2017. UGA has ranked 3,1,2,1 over that period. That is a difference in getting several five stars versus one, or none, plus 4s. When you recruit 5 stars, many can play as freshmen, and get experience, so when they turn over a year they are quite good (often). A three star obviously can become elite, but usually it takes time.
When your second team defense is basically as good as your first, and both are very good, you just keep pressuring and playing at a high level, no plays off. When Tennessee is consistently in the top five in recruiting, they will equalize on the basic talent level and be "back".
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That's not the only reason. As you kinda admitted by refusing to argue before, Tennessee is a mid-tier SEC program and that's unlikely to change regardless of who's the coach.
What you apparently don't understand about SEC football and never will is almost every team has been considered a mid tier program at one time or another.
Georgia was a mid tier program in the 90's and early 2000's , Florida had always been considered a mid tier or lower before Spurrier became coach. UT was one of the elites for several different eras and remains the second winningest program in SEC history even after a decade of futility.. It takes the right combination of coaching and school support to make a program elite and that is only fleeting.
Tennessee will be back, if not next year then 2, 3 4 years later.
If you follow UT and SEC you would know that.
I would argue two decades of frustration
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agree!!!
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How Pruitt keeps trotting this QB out there is malpractice ..... his turnovers against good teams are all back breakers EVERY TIME!!!!! Any of our other QBs can turn the ball over repeatedly inside our own 30, any of our QBs can throw 4 good balls per game. The guy has improved ZERO with like 50 starts under his belt..... he’s a freaking JOKE so the coach must be too for refusing to try an alternative
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Without the TO's the game would have been much closer. You don't give Ga. or the Bamas of the worlds free possessions on a short field and survive
Without the TOs ?????? Our QB does it multiple times every time he plays a team with a pulse.
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There are many bad memories with Loaf Bread but the worst may be when he was responsible for a 1 point turnaround at Bama when he decided to play hero
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I mentioned it several times in the game yesterday. Mozzou brings in a true freshman QB with no spring and limited fall practice, and while playing UT, lights it up.
Bazelak ( MO's QB) went 13-21 with no touchdowns and one interception
JG went 14-23 with a passing TD, two rushing TD's and no interceptions and won the game with no turnovers.
The MO QB didn't exactly light it up at a time when UT was playing 2 true freshmen in the defensive backfield due to injuries.
That's how urban legends get started.
you look at the box score- i look at the game... he brought energy to the team. he made several key strike passes. he tucked the ball and went after the marker, lowering his shoulder and taking the hit like a RB. he instinctually, seemingly, checked off routes and cloaked his reads enough to keep the coverage honest.
he is twice the QB of JG, and with minutes of gametime of college career behind him, and nowhere near the practice and experience of JG.
i've never seen that kind of moxy from JG. I see him playing scared- and almost like an actor playing a role they don't fully grasp.
and that may be the best way i've ever managed to communicate it: JG plays like an actor playing QB who isn't going to win any little statues for his effort.
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Am I bitter as Fuzzy said? As a VOL fan for over fifty years you're damn right I am and so should you be after all the years of piss poor coaching and piss poor recruiting. Fulmer started it by resting on his laurels letting the team go to shit. Then the hiring of the worst coaches possible along with giving them extensions. Then we end up paying millions of dollars in buyouts. I don't what world some of you live in but that should make anyone bitter and even make a preacher cuss.
Then we hire back the guy we paid 6 million dollars to fire and his first decision is to hire a BAMA alum. Now you tell me what other Vol For Life or even a fan would even contemplate hiring an alum of our most hated rival? None in their right mind that's who.
We have to many sunshine pumpers wearing orange colored glasses unwilling to admit Fulmer should never have been hired as AD, Pruitt a BAMA alum should never been hired as head coach and JG should not be starting at QB.
The coaching staff is getting paid millions of dollars to bring in better talent and recruits yet we're stuck with a 5th year Butch Jones recruit who is making the entire team look bad.
So what they hell have they been doing we should be starting a highly recruited junior or sophomore QB but no we still have to start your guys beloved JG because the coach knows better. That's Bull Shit.
So maybe you can tell me why the hell the HC is getting an extension for not doing what he was hired for? That would be recruiting that better talent and if he is he ain't playing it.
You folks can try to blame it on the O-line but that dog want hunt. It's the QB job to get the offense in the right plays if he can read defenses, get the ball out quickly and not fumble none of which JG has improved on since he was a freshman.
The O-line has been taking the shit for his poor play far to long when it's JG making them look bad with his decisions.
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There are many bad memories with Loaf Bread but the worst may be when he was responsible for a 1 point turnaround at Bama when he decided to play hero
14 point turnaround
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According to everything I've read and heard....the entire team is behind Guaratano. To a man they think he gives them the best chance to win.
I'm not a coach but whe the coaching staff and the team thinks he's the best QB then I believ them.
If there was unrest on the team a and a lot of harping about our QB then it would be time for a change.
So...after much consideration I think I'll side with the team and coaches over the computer commandos.
BTW...don't know if you listen to the Doug Matthews Show this morning but he made this statement....
The offensive line was so bad yesterday ,if Peyton Manning were quarterbacking the team yesterday he couldn't have done any better.
High praise from someone who thinks Manning is the best QB ever to play at Tennessee.
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According to everything I've read and heard....the entire team is behind Guaratano. To a man they think he gives them the best chance to win.
I'm not a coach but whe the coaching staff and the team thinks he's the best QB then I believ them.
If there was unrest on the team a nd a lot of harping about our QB then it would be time for a change.
BTW...don't know if you listen to the Dough Matthews Show this morning but he made this statement....
If Peyton Manning were quarterbacking the team yesterday he couldn't have done any better.
High praise from someone who thinks Manning is the best QB ever to play at Tennessee.
Do we really believe that hyperbole, though?
I sure as hell don’t. Anybody that doesn’t think Peyton Manning would fare better, doesn’t deserve to be discussing football, as they obviously know less than nothing about the game.
Obviously, this is a gross exaggeration in a feeble attempt to absolve poor Jarrett from any blame yet again. That dog don’t hunt.
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Matthews point being that even Manning couldn't have had a good day if he was buried under a pile of Georgia defensive linemen or running for his life.
Good grief..you guys had to wait an entire year and 8 wins to come down this hard on JG.
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Matthews point being that even Manning couldn't have had a good day if he was buried under a pile of Georgia defensive linemen or running for his life.
Yet, if the Georgia defense was scared of a passing game, like a decent QB would bring, may be the box isn’t loaded, and all out blitzes don’t happen.
See how one helps the other? And renders Matthews argument as pointless?
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I’m not sure how many of you have been in a huddle at that level or anything close, I have. The biggest problem with JG is his energy. He has this nervous, unsure, deer in headlights energy when the first thing goes wrong. Those that say it’s not all his fault are right, but I’d say most of it is his demeanor. If your leader is weak, your team will be weak. It’s like that in other aspects of life as well. I’m sure @Drew4UTk (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1) can back that up. A unit with a weak leader, will fail. That is what I see.
I don’t think it is about talent or Lack thereof. JG is just not a good leader. I don’t care if the guys support him or like him, he is not right fir the job. Period.
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That's not the only reason. As you kinda admitted by refusing to argue before, Tennessee is a mid-tier SEC program and that's unlikely to change regardless of who's the coach.
What you apparently don't understand about SEC football and never will is almost every team has been considered a mid tier program at one time or another.
I understand that perfectly - it's provides the basis for your delusion. Sewanee used to be great. I'm talking about the present and future, and you're stuck living in an over-inflated impression you have of the past.
Georgia was a mid tier program in the 90's and early 2000's
Right, and they figured it out, didn't they?
Florida had always been considered a mid tier or lower before Spurrier became coach.
What makes you think we're ever going back to the 80's? Franklin used to be a farm-town. Now it's doubled in size full of suburbanites. Would you invest in a feed-and-seed in the middle of Cool Springs? Maybe thing'll back to the way they used to be? I wouldn't.
UT was one of the elites for several different eras and remains the second winningest program in SEC history even after a decade of futility.
A decade? Try over 2 decades as you would define futility. And you're still beating your head against the wall rather than coming to grips with reality.
Jim Donnan ain't runnin through that tunnel for Georgia. A couple of years back they signed the top high school quarterback in the country three years in a row (Eason, Fromm, Fields). Can you imagine Tennessee doing that?
It takes the right combination of coaching and school support to make a program elite and that is only fleeting.
Tennessee will be back, if not next year then 2, 3 4 years later.
If you follow UT and SEC you would know that.
Harrison Bailey may pan out, or maybe Ty Simpson can temporarily elevate us to the top of the East. If we can win the East 2 years every decade, and average 8 wins a year, then we're doing great (where we're supposed to be). But for the entitled, delusional fans who live in the past with unrealistic expectations, that's not going to be good enough.
The expectations at Georgia and Florida should be 9-10 wins/year, and win the East 4 times per decade. That's the reality this homer is perfectly fine with. You're never going to be happy as a Tennessee football fan if you think we "belong" at the top.
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I’m not sure how many of you have been in a huddle at that level or anything close, I have. The biggest problem with JG is his energy. He has this nervous, unsure, deer in headlights energy when the first thing goes wrong. Those that say it’s not all his fault are right, but I’d say most of it is his demeanor. If your leader is weak, your team will be weak. It’s like that in other aspects of life as well. I’m sure @Drew4UTk (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1) can back that up. A unit with a weak leader, will fail. That is what I see.
I don’t think it is about talent or Lack thereof. JG is just not a good leader. I don’t care if the guys support him or like him, he is not right fir the job. Period.
I agree - I was hoping he'd finally take the field with command, confidence and presence this year, but he just doesn't have "it." Surely the coaches see that. I'm assuming that he's still our best option, but they're having a scrimmage in Knoxville today, and not to be a Drew-like conspiracy-theorist, but I'm wondering if part of the reason is to see where the other quarterbacks are, and see if one of them (Bailey?) gives them a reason to start playing him.
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I agree - I was hoping he'd finally take the field with command, confidence and presence this year, but he just doesn't have "it." Surely the coaches see that. I'm assuming that he's still our best option, but they're having a scrimmage in Knoxville today, and not to be a Drew-like conspiracy-theorist, but I'm wondering if part of the reason is to see where the other quarterbacks are, and see if one of them (Bailey?) gives them a reason to start playing him.
Lets hope SOMEONE gives them a reason to pull JG. This is kind of a throw away year anyway, in a sense. The future is now. Let’s get a head start on 2021.
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What Pruitt should have done Saturday is pull JG for at least a series after the INT. Let him calm down, get his head straight. I guarantee you, Saban wouldn’t have hesitated to pull his QB in the same scenario.
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I agree - I was hoping he'd finally take the field with command, confidence and presence this year, but he just doesn't have "it." Surely the coaches see that. I'm assuming that he's still our best option, but they're having a scrimmage in Knoxville today, and not to be a Drew-like conspiracy-theorist, but I'm wondering if part of the reason is to see where the other quarterbacks are, and see if one of them (Bailey?) gives them a reason to start playing him.
It’s likely he is the best option based on practice performance. I’ve seen it several times where some guys just have a different mode when in actual battle than in practice. There’s no way for a coach to find that out if it’s never tried and it’s even harder to go against what you see in practice.
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I understand that perfectly - it's provides the basis for your delusion. Sewanee used to be great. I'm talking about the present and future, and you're stuck living in an over-inflated impression you have of the past.
Stop while you're ahead. You're only proving to everyone how little you know about the SEC. Sewanee was never good in the SEC. The only record they still hold is the most consecutive losses in conference games that stands at about 40+
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According to everything I've read and heard....the entire team is behind Guaratano. To a man they think he gives them the best chance to win.
I'm not a coach but whe the coaching staff and the team thinks he's the best QB then I believ them.
If there was unrest on the team a and a lot of harping about our QB then it would be time for a change.
So...after much consideration I think I'll side with the team and coaches over the computer commandos.
BTW...don't know if you listen to the Doug Matthews Show this morning but he made this statement....
The offensive line was so bad yesterday ,if Peyton Manning were quarterbacking the team yesterday he couldn't have done any better.
High praise from someone who thinks Manning is the best QB ever to play at Tennessee.
Doug Matthews is full of shit because Phil Fulmer is full of shit and any media that covers TN football is full of shit and would never dare to question the TN AD. It’s beyond stupid at this point. Fulmer was a controlling prick as a HC and is a controlling prick as an AD. And for the love of God can we have a freaking fatter coaching staff ?!?!? They demand their players be disciplined yet they can’t discipline themselves from shoving food down their throats despite having world class nutritionists, trainers, facilities within a stones throw. TN football is the epitome of fat cat syndrome.
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From my perspective the OL was overwhelmed in the 2nd half because it’s hard for 5 to block 7 to 8. Georgia fired off 7 to 8 because they didn’t respect JG’s QB skills and to be honest, no one should. He sucks. JG handicaps the O because he routinely throws high or behind which makes the quick slant a risk. And to top it all off he’s no threat to run because he has 2 left feet. The guy can’t outrun a snail on his best day.
It’s hard for me to believe that JG is our best option with Maurer, JT, and Bailey sitting on the sideline. Maybe the most experienced but talented, no, I’m not buying that. It appears to me that Pruitt errs on the side of caution. Considering that JG has reached his ceiling and he still sucks, I’d put the future in and ride it out. Bailey is not a small guy at 6’4” or 6’5” at 225 pounds. I think Maurer is up to 210 or 215 now. Not sure about JT. The walk on that appeared to be all world yesterday is way smaller than any QB on our sideline yet there he was, playing and kicking our ass.
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The expectations at Georgia and Florida should be 9-10 wins/year, and win the East 4 times per decade. That's the reality this homer is perfectly fine with. You're never going to be happy as a Tennessee football fan if you think we "belong" at the top.
Your argument falls apart when it comes to Bama. IF in-state/proximity recruiting is perfectly or at least highly correlated to wins, then Bama should be behind FL, GA, LSU, Auburn and possibly A&M. AL's in-state recruiting is marginally better than TN and they share the state with Auburn.
Check out Bama's roster. 15 from FL, 10 from GA and LA. Add several each from TX, PA, CA, SC, MS and DC. They are getting the best recruits in the nation, not in the state. Also, many recruited in state will never stiff the field. Family played at Bama, or has big donation bucks, etc.
TN is one Saban away from SEC dynasty.
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I understand that perfectly - it's provides the basis for your delusion. Sewanee used to be great. I'm talking about the present and future, and you're stuck living in an over-inflated impression you have of the past.
Stop while you're ahead. You're only proving to everyone how little you know about the SEC. Sewanee was never good in the SEC. The only record they still hold is the most consecutive losses in conference games that stands at about 40+
I figured you'd probably say something about Sewanee not being that good, rather than comprehending the actual point, which is the times change. The Ivy league schools used to be on top, prior to Notre Dame's dominance. None of that history matters now - I can only hope Harvard doesn't have any delusional fans like you talking about getting back to where they belong.
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The expectations at Georgia and Florida should be 9-10 wins/year, and win the East 4 times per decade. That's the reality this homer is perfectly fine with. You're never going to be happy as a Tennessee football fan if you think we "belong" at the top.
Your argument falls apart when it comes to Bama. IF in-state/proximity recruiting is perfectly or at least highly correlated to wins, then Bama should be behind FL, GA, LSU, Auburn and possibly A&M. AL's in-state recruiting is marginally better than TN and they share the state with Auburn.
Check out Bama's roster. 15 from FL, 10 from GA and LA. Add several each from TX, PA, CA, SC, MS and DC. They are getting the best recruits in the nation, not in the state. Also, many recruited in state will never stiff the field. Family played at Bama, or has big donation bucks, etc.
TN is one Saban away from SEC dynasty.
The expectations at Georgia and Florida should be 9-10 wins/year, and win the East 4 times per decade. That's the reality this homer is perfectly fine with. You're never going to be happy as a Tennessee football fan if you think we "belong" at the top.
Your argument falls apart when it comes to Bama. IF in-state/proximity recruiting is perfectly or at least highly correlated to wins, then Bama should be behind FL, GA, LSU, Auburn and possibly A&M.
Bama is close enough to Georgia and Mississippi (closer to Memphis than Knoxville) to have a built-in talent-proximity advantage over Tennessee.
AL's in-state recruiting is marginally better than TN and they share the state with Auburn.
That just goes to show you how much more talent there is in that part of the country. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Belt_(region_of_Alabama) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Belt_(region_of_Alabama))
Check out Bama's roster. 15 from FL, 10 from GA and LA. Add several each from TX, PA, CA, SC, MS and DC. They are getting the best recruits in the nation, not in the state. Also, many recruited in state will never stiff the field. Family played at Bama, or has big donation bucks, etc.
Bama's not positioned for the next 30 years to have a better record than Georgia or Florida. They'll all have better records than Tennessee.
TN is one Saban away from SEC dynasty.
LOL - oh, is that all? There are 130 universities competing in Division 1. IF there's ever another Saban out there, it's highly unlikely he'll end up at Tennessee. Why would he - he knows how much harder it would be to be dominant there. If the A.D. at Tennessee had ever called Urban Meyer, he would have laughed in his face. I'll ask you the same question that Roady refused to answer. If Lincoln Riley was told he could coach at any school in the SEC, how many would he rank above Tennessee? There's no way he'd come to Tennessee over Georgia, Florida, Alabama or LSU. So you can try to argue that he'd take us fifth, but I doubt he'd come to Knoxville over Texas A&M and probably not Auburn. I'd say we're probably about tied with Auburn ranked 7th and even that could be some residual arrogance left over from a few good years in the '90's.
I'm not trying to put the school or the program down, I'm just trying to introduce some sanity. I'd say the same thing to South Carolina or Arkansas fans, or any of the other present-day mid-tier programs.
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The expectations at Georgia and Florida should be 9-10 wins/year, and win the East 4 times per decade. That's the reality this homer is perfectly fine with. You're never going to be happy as a Tennessee football fan if you think we "belong" at the top.
Your argument falls apart when it comes to Bama. IF in-state/proximity recruiting is perfectly or at least highly correlated to wins, then Bama should be behind FL, GA, LSU, Auburn and possibly A&M.
Bama is close enough to Georgia and Mississippi (closer to Memphis than Knoxville) to have a built-in talent-proximity advantage over Tennessee.
AL's in-state recruiting is marginally better than TN and they share the state with Auburn.
That just goes to show you how much more talent there is in that part of the country. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Belt_(region_of_Alabama) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Belt_(region_of_Alabama))
Check out Bama's roster. 15 from FL, 10 from GA and LA. Add several each from TX, PA, CA, SC, MS and DC. They are getting the best recruits in the nation, not in the state. Also, many recruited in state will never stiff the field. Family played at Bama, or has big donation bucks, etc.
Bama's not positioned for the next 30 years to have a better record than Georgia or Florida. They'll all have better records than Tennessee.
TN is one Saban away from SEC dynasty.
LOL - oh, is that all? There are 130 universities competing in Division 1. IF there's ever another Saban out there, it's highly unlikely he'll end up at Tennessee. Why would he - he knows how much harder it would be to be dominant there. If the A.D. at Tennessee had ever called Urban Meyer, he would have laughed in his face. I'll ask you the same question that Roady refused to answer. If Lincoln Riley was told he could coach at any school in the SEC, how many would he rank above Tennessee? There's no way he'd come to Tennessee over Georgia, Florida, Alabama or LSU. So you can try to argue that he'd take us fifth, but I doubt he'd come to Knoxville over Texas A&M and probably not Auburn. I'd say we're probably about tied with Auburn ranked 7th and even that could be some residual arrogance left over from a few good years in the '90's.
I'm not trying to put the school or the program down, I'm just trying to introduce some sanity. I'd say the same thing to South Carolina or Arkansas fans, or any of the other present-day mid-tier programs.
Kind of nice to be arguing about football with all the shit going on in the world.
I would say Auburn is better off being closer to GA than Bama is to MS. Since you voted in the last AL Senate election, so you should know your geography better than that.
BTW- Doug Jones is getting buried by TT (who says you can't have football and politics together). There's your landslide.
Bama wasn't positioned to be better than FL and GA over the last 30 years, but.........
It was also highly unlikely that Saban ended up a AL. Rich Rodriguez turned them down. Yes, hard to imagine. The Bama job wasn't very appealing when Saban took it. He had failed in the pros and was willing to take it. They had been through the Mike's- DuBose, Price and Shula with Dennis Franchione. They sucked for 10 years.
Bama has a marginal recruiting advantage over TN, but only marginal. The rest is bunk.
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Phil recruited nationally for a decade to the likes of the current Alabama’s and Georgia’s, Ohio St.
It can be done, because I’ve seen it done.
Tennessee is very attractive. But, we have to win a few of these big games before the recruits choose Us over them.
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Great analysis there...everyone is full of s**t. Wow,,,very astute.!!
How can anyone criticize that........:34:
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Great post Harvest. You have to ignore Fuzz on a lot of issues since he insist on showing his ignorance in a multitude issues including UT/ SEC football .
I do agree...it's nice to argue about football for a change. With all of the crap that's gone on this election cycle this is a welcome relief.
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Fuzz's standard seem to be ...if you aren't winning now then you're a middle tier program.
Ancient history seems to be whatever Fuzz decides is ancient.
If that is the case then if UT beats Kentucky next week we're can claim we're a top tier progranm again.
LSU has already lost 2 games this year and last years NC is ancient history. This make LSU a bottom feeder program ,
Nonsense!!
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Fuzz's standard seem to be ...if you aren't winning now then you're a middle tier program.
Ancient history seems to be whatever Fuzz decides is ancient.
If that is the case then if UT beats Kentucky next week we're can claim we're a top tier progranm again.
LSU has already lost 2 games this year and last years NC is ancient history. This make LSU a bottom feeder program ,
Nonsense!!
Well he is a Dem and we all know how they like to rewrite history.
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I would say Auburn is better off being closer to GA than Bama is to MS.
Irrelevant, but true.
Since you voted in the last AL Senate election, so you should know your geography better than that.
Wut? Don't tell me you're confusing me with Roady. That'd get you banned if I had any say in the matter.
Bama wasn't positioned to be better than FL and GA over the last 30 years, but...
With a proven national champion like Saban, it was. If you want to fire every Tennessee coach every 4-5 years for not winning the SEC, then go ahead. I'll keep trying to introduce you to reality.
It was also highly unlikely that Saban ended up a AL. Rich Rodriguez turned them down. Yes, hard to imagine. The Bama job wasn't very appealing when Saban took it. He had failed in the pros and was willing to take it. They had been through the Mike's- DuBose, Price and Shula with Dennis Franchione. They sucked for 10 years.
How're the other 125 programs out there doing who didn't luck into a unicorn? I can't guarantee you it wont happen at Tennessee, but if you'd start being a little more realistic and a little less entitled, then you'd know I'm right.
Bama has a marginal recruiting advantage over TN, but only marginal.
The difference between 10 - 2 and 8 - 4 is marginal, too.
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Fuzz's standard seem to be ...if you aren't winning now then you're a middle tier program. Ancient history seems to be whatever Fuzz decides is ancient.
Tennessee hasn't won the SEC in 22 years.
I'm talking to people who think championships are the standard.
If that is the case then if UT beats Kentucky next week we're can claim we're a top tier progranm again.
You can claim anything you want - you obviously have no regard for reality.
LSU has already lost 2 games this year and last years NC is ancient history. This make LSU a bottom feeder program. Nonsense!!
If someone has to mischaracterize your position to such a degree, then it's only because they have no real argument.
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I understand that perfectly - it's provides the basis for your delusion. Sewanee used to be great. I'm talking about the present and future, and you're stuck living in an over-inflated impression you have of the past.
Stop while you're ahead. You're only proving to everyone how little you know about the SEC. Sewanee was never good in the SEC. The only record they still hold is the most consecutive losses in conference games that stands at about 40+
By his logic since Neyland was hired to beat that great football power Vanderbilt theY must be another upper tier team.
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Tennessee hasn't won the SEC in 22 years.
I'm talking to people who think championships are the standard.
And Georgia hasn't won a national championship since 1980.
Poor UGA...just another 2nd tier team!!!..........:'(
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Phil recruited nationally for a decade to the likes of the current Alabama’s and Georgia’s, Ohio St.
It can be done, because I’ve seen it done.
Tennessee is very attractive. But, we have to win a few of these big games before the recruits choose Us over them.
Phil recruited nationally for a decade to the likes of the current Alabama’s and Georgia’s, Ohio St.
Not true - we've never been that kind of "elite." Tennessee has never fielded a team of talent on the level Bama's been fielding in the Saban era, or even a defense like Georgia's this year. A quick draft analysis will confirm that for you after you take off your orange-tinted glasses.
It can be done, because I’ve seen it done.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1890_Harvard_Crimson_football_team (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1890_Harvard_Crimson_football_team)
Tennessee is very attractive.
There are lots of attractive schools in the SEC with better brands and closer to more elite recruits' families.
But, we have to win a few of these big games before the recruits choose Us over them.
Keep telling yourself that and revolving head coaches every 4-5 years with your head in the sand blaming "the administration" for your lack of championships.
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Tennessee hasn't won the SEC in 22 years.
I'm talking to people who think championships are the standard.
And Georgia hasn't won a national championship since 1980.
Poor UGA...just another 2nd tier team!!!..........:'(
You're lying about my position. The championships standard, is your's, not mine. All I've said is they're a program that should win 9-10 games a year, whereas we should be content with an 8 win program standard. Their standard should be win the East 4X per decade, and our's should be to win 2X. Everything beyond that should be gravy, including national championships. They decided 1980 was too long ago, and that Richt wasn't going to get them there. They were confident enough in their recruiting base that they could re-shuffle their coaching staff - you have that luxury when your university is in Athens, Georgia with their brand.
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Phil recruited nationally for a decade to the likes of the current Alabama’s and Georgia’s, Ohio St.
Not true - we've never been that kind of "elite." Tennessee has never fielded a team of talent on the level Bama's been fielding in the Saban era, or even a defense like Georgia's this year. A quick draft analysis will confirm that for you after you take off your orange-tinted glasses.
It can be done, because I’ve seen it done.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1890_Harvard_Crimson_football_team (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1890_Harvard_Crimson_football_team)
Tennessee is very attractive.
There are lots of attractive schools in the SEC with better brands and closer to more elite recruits' families.
But, we have to win a few of these big games before the recruits choose Us over them.
Keep telling yourself that and revolving head coaches every 4-5 years with your head in the sand blaming "the administration" for your lack of championships.
Recruiting rank Tennessee 1993-2005
93 = 3
94 = 1
95 = 8
96 = 7
97 = 1
98 = 10
99 = couldn't find
00 = 2
01 = 5
02 = 4
03 = 18
04 = 11
05 = 4
Give me that run from 93 to 02 and we can beat anybody (and we did …. got amnesia, fuzz?)
Phil Fulmer was one of the best recruiters of all time.
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You're lying about my position. The championships standard, is your's, not mine.
So the championship standards are yours...no one else.
That answers a lot of questions. The standards you're setting for UT as 2nd tier is your personal opinion.Nothing else
I can accept that my opinion is different than yours. ......just don't try to convince everyone else that their standards are wrong.
btw....you just can't get thru a thread without accusing someone of lying if they don't agree with you can you?
That argument is getting very old.
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Not true - we've never been that kind of "elite." Tennessee has never fielded a team of talent on the level Bama's been fielding in the Saban era
Fuzz just admitted his argument is FOS. He's admitting that Alabama's present elite status is contingent on Saban's recruiting exertise not the fact that they are Alabama and have permanent advantages over UT.
He's all over the map with his fictional arguments
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You're lying about my position. The championships standard, is your's, not mine.
So the championship standards are yours...no one else.
That answers a lot of questions. The standards you're setting for UT as 2nd tier is your personal opinion.Nothing else
I can accept that my opinion is different than yours. ......just don't try to convince everyone else that their standards are wrong.
btw....you just can't get thru a thread without accusing someone of lying if they don't agree with you can you?
That argument is getting very old.
btw....you just can't get thru a thread without accusing someone of lying if they don't agree with you can you?
You didn't merely disagree with me, you deliberately misrepresented my stated criteria for top tier programs, Georgia specifically. If you don't like being accused of lying, then don't do it.
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Recruiting rank Tennessee 1993-2005
93 = 3
94 = 1
95 = 8
96 = 7
97 = 1
98 = 10
99 = couldn't find
00 = 2
01 = 5
02 = 4
03 = 18
04 = 11
05 = 4
Give me that run from 93 to 02 and we can beat anybody (and we did …. got amnesia, fuzz?)
Phil Fulmer was one of the best recruiters of all time.
That run isn't going to be duplicated in Knoxville, and still isn't nearly as good as Alabama's over the past 10 years, nor Georgia's over the past 5.
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To be honest when you call someone a liar that's a sure sign of defeat.
You can always tell when Fuzz is frustrated that he's been proven wrong ( AGAIN) as he always resorts to calling people a liar.
I'm guessing that must be taught during liberal/progessive/socialist indoctrination sessions.
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To be honest when you call someone a liar that's a sure sign of defeat.
You can always tell when Fuzz is frustrated that he's been proven wrong ( AGAIN) as he always resorts to calling people a liar.
I'm guessing that must be taught during liberal/progessive/socialist indoctrination sessions.
To be honest when you call someone a liar that's a sure sign of defeat.
I didn't call you a liar.
I pointed out a specific lie, which was deliberate misreprentation of something I posted and compared it with what I actually posted. If that's wrong, then point out how. If it's correct, then keep up your diversions - what you did is here for all to see.
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According to everything I've read and heard....the entire team is behind Guaratano. To a man they think he gives them the best chance to win.
I'm not a coach but whe the coaching staff and the team thinks he's the best QB then I believ them.
If there was unrest on the team a and a lot of harping about our QB then it would be time for a change.
So...after much consideration I think I'll side with the team and coaches over the computer commandos.
BTW...don't know if you listen to the Doug Matthews Show this morning but he made this statement....
The offensive line was so bad yesterday ,if Peyton Manning were quarterbacking the team yesterday he couldn't have done any better.
High praise from someone who thinks Manning is the best QB ever to play at Tennessee.
You touched on the problem the coach is choosing a QB by committee. It hasn't worked out very well now has it?
You're talking about guys who can't remember simple rules to play by without getting penalties yet the coach is allowing them to pick the starting QB.
Sounds like the Brothas want one of their own and Tater Head is afraid to go against them.
He showed be fired for making that statement alone and letting them bully him into making a decision about who plays QB.
I think I posted previously the only reason he could be starting is because he's black now it looks like I was correct.
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Matthews point being that even Manning couldn't have had a good day if he was buried under a pile of Georgia defensive linemen or running for his life.
Good grief..you guys had to wait an entire year and 8 wins to come down this hard on JG.
You could put what Matthews knows about football on the back of a match book cover that's why he had to get out of coaching.
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I understand that perfectly - it's provides the basis for your delusion. Sewanee used to be great. I'm talking about the present and future, and you're stuck living in an over-inflated impression you have of the past.
Stop while you're ahead. You're only proving to everyone how little you know about the SEC. Sewanee was never good in the SEC. The only record they still hold is the most consecutive losses in conference games that stands at about 40+
Fuzz is right about Tennessee we've won 7 SEC titles in the past fifty years, one national championship in almost seventy years and haven't won shit in the past twenty.
So anyone who thinks Tennessee has been a national contender or even a SEC contender don't know diddly squat about UT football. Majors couldn't beat the Bear, Fulmer couldn't beat the Old Ball Coach and we haven't beaten anyone worth mentioning in twenty years.
We've had good records in the past but the championships haven't been there and that's how you determine how good your program is.
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You're lying about my position.
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If you don't like being accused of lying, then don't do it.
You might want to re-evaluate what you consider calling someone a liar. You either have no idea what you're posting or you're in a deep state of denial.
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Fuzz is right about Tennessee we've won 7 SEC titles in the past fifty years, one national championship in almost seventy years and haven't won shit in the past twenty.
So anyone who thinks Tennessee has been a national contender or even a SEC contender don't know diddly squat about UT football. Majors couldn't beat the Bear, Fulmer couldn't beat the Old Ball Coach and we haven't beaten anyone worth mentioning in twenty years.
We've had good records in the past but the championships haven't been there and that's how you determine how good your program is.
All true, yet people like Roady (or was it Texie?) talk about us getting back to where "we belong" when there are AT LEAST FIVE other programs just in our conference that are more attractive and/or better positioned to be successful for the foreseeable future.
That's no knock on the program, and I'm a homer just like Roady. I'm just not an entitled homer who thinks we're "just a Saban away" from being back where we belong, because you're going to cycle through a lot of coaches with that pipe dream. My suggestion to these delusional fans is to learn how to enjoy 8 - 4 seasons (without the arrogant proclamations of underachievement), humbly appreciate the occasional 10 - 2 seasons, don't freak over the occasional 6 - 4 seasons, and really savor it you're ever lucky enough to go 13 - 0.
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All true, yet people like Roady (or was it Texie?) talk about us getting back to where "we belong" when there are AT LEAST FIVE other programs just in our conference that are more attractive and/or better positioned to be successful for the foreseeable future.
That's no knock on the program, and I'm a homer just like Roady. I'm just not an entitled homer who thinks we're "just a Saban away" from being back where we belong, because you're going to cycle through a lot of coaches with that pipe dream. My suggestion to these delusional fans is to learn how to enjoy 8 - 4 seasons (without the arrogant proclamations of underachievement), humbly appreciate the occasional 10 - 2 seasons, don't freak over the occasional 6 - 4 seasons, and really savor it you're ever lucky enough to go 13 - 0.
I just want to be competitive like in the Doug Dickey days knowing going into the game you have a shot a winning. He knew how to coach players up and make them better.
We're not going to be undefeated every year but we need to beat the top teams in our division occasionally and be competitive for the SEC title.
But it's evident our coaches aren't producing or putting the better players on the field. Pruitt is in his third year and should have his own recruit at QB and many other positions. His should be playing his guys by now other coaches do it.
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When you make bad choices as head coach and have to replace every 3-5 years that is a recipe for disaster.
UT had extremely poor leadership from the president, chancellor ,AD and head coach since Fulmer was fired.
This is a prime example of poor leadership. Almost all SEC schools have suffered from similar leadership problems.
Not a reflection of permanent inability to win championships.
I realize you like to create arguments and you know by dissing UT you can easily get the rise you're wanting.
The truth is...you've repeatedly shown you know very little about UT history or the SEC as a whole.
Most here take your comments for what it is.......B.S.
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I'm impressed that you know more than Pruitt as to who should be starting but if it's all the same , I'll trust Pruitt's judgement as long as he's being paid to make those decisions.
It's always amazing to me that fans who haven't watched a single practice and probably wouldn't know one player from another if they changed numbers can make player decisions like this with a straight face.
It's an old saying but so very true....the most popular player on a team is the 2nd string QB after a loss.
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I'm impressed that you know more than Pruitt as to who should be starting but if it's all the same , I'll trust Pruitt's judgement as long as he's being paid to make those decisions.
It's always amazing to me that fans who haven't watched a single practice and probably wouldn't know one player from another if they changed numbers can make player decisions like this with a straight face.
It's an old saying but so very true....the most popular player on a team is the 2nd string QB after a loss.
I'm glad you finally realize that because I would never let players dictate to me on who would be playing any position. I've watched enough of JG for the past four years to know I wouldn't let him dress out much less start at QB.
There's a lot of good practice QB that can't bring it to the game and JG is one of them. You and the HC are in the minority of those who thinks he's a good QB.
Maybe you don't remember Majors doing the same thing with Sterling Hinton starting him instead of Andy Kelly. I still say we would have beaten Alabama that year if Kelly had started instead of coming in to replace Hinton after Bama was up two TDs.
Maybe you don't remember Majors wouldn't start Pat Ryan who was good enough to play in the NFL for 13 years.
Or Daryl Dickey who proved to be the better QB when Tony Robinson got hurt.
Or Fulmer wanting to play the guy he recruited Schaeffer over Eric Ainge who Randy Sanders recruited.
Some coaches have tunnel vision and are blinded not able to see talent when they're looking at it and some fans believe because you give a guy a title and pay him millions of dollars that makes him the smartest guy in the room.
Got news for you Tater Head ain't even the room when it comes to knowing football talent.
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I'm glad you finally realize that because I would never let players dictate to me on who would be playing any position. I've watched enough of JG for the past four years to know I wouldn't let him dress out much less start at QB.
There's a lot of good practice QB that can't bring it to the game and JG is one of them. You and the HC are in the minority of those who thinks he's a good QB.
Maybe you don't remember Majors doing the same thing with Sterling Hinton starting him instead of Andy Kelly. I still say we would have beaten Alabama that year if Kelly had started instead of coming in to replace Hinton after Bama was up two TDs.
Maybe you don't remember Majors wouldn't start Pat Ryan who was good enough to play in the NFL for 13 years.
Or Daryl Dickey who proved to be the better QB when Tony Robinson got hurt.
Or Fulmer wanting to play the guy he recruited Schaeffer over Eric Ainge who Randy Sanders recruited.
Some coaches have tunnel vision and are blinded not able to see talent when they're looking at it and some fans believe because you give a guy a title and pay him millions of dollars that makes him the smartest guy in the room.
Got news for you Tater Head ain't even the room when it comes to knowing football talent.
If TR had not liked the nose candy he would have played in the NFL, in fact he did during the replacement period.
Daryl was no where near as good as TR.
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But it's evident our coaches aren't producing or putting the better players on the field. Pruitt is in his third year and should have his own recruit at QB and many other positions. His should be playing his guys by now other coaches do it.
To be fair, Pruitt should only be held responsible for the past 2 recruiting classes - you're being a little impatient. If Bailey or Salter don't pan out, and he whiffs on Simpson, then unfortunately for him (and maybe the program), he's probably out at Tennessee. But he's got to have a least long enough to see how that pans out before anyone lights the torches.
And in the meantime, enjoy Tennessee football for what it is.
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I have to say..you're grossly underpaid or have an extremely high regard for your talent to be a wannabe coach.
I happened to be a the Bama game at Legion Field when UT lost with Hinton as QB. If memory serves me correct we were unbaten at the time.
I doubt any coach in the country would change QB on the road at Legion Field when you're unbeaten.
I was also at the UT Auburn game when all Pat Ryan had to do was hold onto the ball for a couple of minutes to win the game and he fumbled the snap , Auburn recovered and Sullivan hooked up with Beasley for the winning TD in the closing seconds.
And if you think Daryl Dickey was a better QB than Tony Robison you're no judge of talent.
I loved DD but he inherited a team that was the most motivated of any of Major's teams.They refused to lose but if they had Robison UT would never have been tied by Ga Tech 6-6 the following week and would have likely won the NC. Dickey was an above average and smart QB that didn't beat his own team but he wasn't even close to Tony Robison's talent who was probably the most athletic QB in UT history ( including J.D.)
You don't have to school me on UT history. I was there for most of it.
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I have to say..you're grossly underpaid ot have an extremely high regard for your talent to be a wannabe coach.
I happened to be a the Bama game at Legion Field when UT lost with Hinton as QB. If memory serves me correct we were unbaten at the time.
I doubt any coach in the country would change QB on the road at Legion Field when you're unbeaten.
I was also at the UT Auburn game when all Pat Ryan had to do was hold onto the ball for a couple of minutes to win the game and he fumbled the snap and Sullivan hooked up with Beasley for the winning TD in the closing seconds.
You don't have to school me on UT history. I was there for most of it.
Who was the back up QB to Randy Wallace (the QB who always threw wounded duck passes) who went on to the NFL and staid there I think for 12 years?
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Fuzz is right about Tennessee we've won 7 SEC titles in the past fifty years, one national championship in almost seventy years and haven't won shit in the past twenty.
So anyone who thinks Tennessee has been a national contender or even a SEC contender don't know diddly squat about UT football. Majors couldn't beat the Bear, Fulmer couldn't beat the Old Ball Coach and we haven't beaten anyone worth mentioning in twenty years.
We've had good records in the past but the championships haven't been there and that's how you determine how good your program is.
Remember the ole you can’t spell citrus without a U and a T........ well it’s been 18 years since we even did that !!!!
And roady feel free to use the “quote” function brother
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Pat Ryan and Jimmy Streater were both back up to Wallace at times.
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Pat Ryan and Jimmy Streater were both back up to Wallace at times.
I was thinking it was Pat
Wallace frustrated me as Larry and Stanley Morgan, always had to wait on his passes. Always felt Pat was a better QB with them two to catch passes, but then Larry was no speed demon but he had hands. If you got the ball to where he could touch he, he caught it.
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Don't really know what your saying about the "quote" comment but at least you grew out of " everyone is FOS"
analysis.
"Congrats on the maturing process"....;) " " " """ """
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To be fair, Pruitt should only be held responsible for the past 2 recruiting classes - you're being a little impatient. If Bailey or Salter don't pan out, and he whiffs on Simpson, then unfortunately for him (and maybe the program), he's probably out at Tennessee. But he's got to have a least long enough to see how that pans out before anyone lights the torches.
And in the meantime, enjoy Tennessee football for what it is.
To be fair Pruitt AGREED to be a UT employee prior to the early signing period of 2017. He CHOSE to stay on at Alabama thru the NC game, he CHOSE to setback his initial class.
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Seivers was my all time favorite reciever. Slow white guy that caught everything in his area code....and was fearless.
I heard an interview of him a couple of years ago. He's still in the Knoxville area.
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To be fair Pruitt AGREED to be a UT employee prior to the early signing period of 2017. He CHOSE to stay on at Alabama thru the NC game, he CHOSE to setback his initial class.
He still recruited for UT.
But it was to late to build any relationships with current players of in large part for the next year either.
Coaches after Phil killed the national network that had been built
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Well hells bells... . let's fire him.
It's been almost 3 years since we had a good firing.
That"ll solve all of our problems
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He still recruited for UT.
But it was to late to build any relationships with current players of in large part for the next year either.
Coaches after Phil killed the national network that had been built
Too late to build any relationships ?!?!?! I mean he only had been recruiting the southeast for a decade. And how hard do you think he recruited for TN with Saban looking over his shoulder ??
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Too late to build any relationships ?!?!?! I mean he only had been recruiting the southeast for a decade. And how hard do you think he recruited for TN with Saban looking over his shoulder ??
He was not recruiting the same places TN traditionally does well in and he only had a assigned area that was his primary responsibility at Bama, the same when he was at Ga and FSU
The recruits said he was on the phone every night while he was coaching for the Natty. His first class was not bad for no more time than he had.
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I have to say..you're grossly underpaid or have an extremely high regard for your talent to be a wannabe coach.
I happened to be a the Bama game at Legion Field when UT lost with Hinton as QB. If memory serves me correct we were unbaten at the time.
I doubt any coach in the country would change QB on the road at Legion Field when you're unbeaten.
I was also at the UT Auburn game when all Pat Ryan had to do was hold onto the ball for a couple of minutes to win the game and he fumbled the snap , Auburn recovered and Sullivan hooked up with Beasley for the winning TD in the closing seconds.
And if you think Daryl Dickey was a better QB than Tony Robison you're no judge of talent.
I loved DD but he inherited a team that was the most motivated of any of Major's teams.They refused to lose but if they had Robison UT would never have been tied by Ga Tech 6-6 the following week and would have likely won the NC. Dickey was an above average and smart QB that didn't beat his own team but he wasn't even close to Tony Robison's talent who was probably the most athletic QB in UT history ( including J.D.)
You don't have to school me on UT history. I was there for most of it.
You may be adept at looking at the past, but less so at looking at the present and future.
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Well hells bells... . let's fire him.
It's been almost 3 years since we had a good firing.
That"ll solve all of our problems
Yup - it'll keep the "we're just a Saban away from being back where we belong" crowd at bay for another 3 years.
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People don't turn around programs in 2-3 years. Not when you have to play 5 top 15 teams in a single year. Unrealistic short-term expectations simply creates firings every few years which creates an unstable program. He's recruiting quite well, but still not as well as Georgia and Alabama - so it will take some time. The simple fact is that Georgia is more talented than Tennessee is this year and probably has the best defensive line in the country.
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Not just that, but our highly touted OL underperformed egregiously. Which set up our QB — hardly the most resourceful field general, even under the best of circumstances — for another turnover-fest meltdown.
But hold on.
Our OL was going up against probably the best DL in college football. With no spring practice. Limited fall practice, due to Covid. Weeks of building cohesion, understanding assignments and technique better, and building on that…
Lost.
I think the DL has a huge advantage in such a situation. They are attacking. The OL is protecting, executing blocking schemes.
I cite as evidence the surprising effectiveness of our D in the first half, stuffing them on 4th and short twice. Which was awesome. Especially the goal line stand to end the half. And we get the ball first to start the second. Up by 4! Good times on ol’ Rocky Top.
Ugh.
Don’t give up on this guy yet. He’s dealt with nothing but strange circumstances since he took the job. I actually think he’s handling them pretty well so far.
But that second half has left a pretty awful taste…
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Recruiting rank Tennessee 1993-2005
93 = 3
94 = 1
95 = 8
96 = 7
97 = 1
98 = 10
99 = couldn't find
00 = 2
01 = 5
02 = 4
03 = 18
04 = 11
05 = 4
Give me that run from 93 to 02 and we can beat anybody (and we did …. got amnesia, fuzz?)
Phil Fulmer was one of the best recruiters of all time.
Fulmer was one of the early national recruiters and he was very good at it. But according to Fuzz, that will never be replicated. I call BS.
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Fulmer was one of the early national recruiters and he was very good at it. But according to Fuzz, that will never be replicated. I call BS.
It would take a total gut job of the Ath Dept or sheer luck to be replicated. Look at our hires since Fulmer
a fired NFL coach who was uber immature
La Tech head coach
U of Cincy head coach
a defensive coordinator
we don’t exactly go and pluck proven head coaching talent from other P5 programs
we don’t exactly shoot for the stars but rather we aim for the clouds and end up settling somewhere around the treetops
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I would say Auburn is better off being closer to GA than Bama is to MS.
Irrelevant, but true.
Irrelevant. Wasn't your entire argument about proximity of recruits to schools?
Since you voted in the last AL Senate election, so you should know your geography better than that.
Wut? Don't tell me you're confusing me with Roady. That'd get you banned if I had any say in the matter.
Just giving you crap about the whole Roy Moore saga. You were pretty excited about the Moore losing. You babbled about for weeks that Senators represent all of us not just folks in the state.
Bama wasn't positioned to be better than FL and GA over the last 30 years, but...
With a proven national champion like Saban, it was. If you want to fire every Tennessee coach every 4-5 years for not winning the SEC, then go ahead. I'll keep trying to introduce you to reality.
What do you think TN's record would have been since 2007 if we hired Saban in 2007? About the same as Bama's?
It was also highly unlikely that Saban ended up a AL. Rich Rodriguez turned them down. Yes, hard to imagine. The Bama job wasn't very appealing when Saban took it. He had failed in the pros and was willing to take it. They had been through the Mike's- DuBose, Price and Shula with Dennis Franchione. They sucked for 10 years.
How're the other 125 programs out there doing who didn't luck into a unicorn? I can't guarantee you it wont happen at Tennessee, but if you'd start being a little more realistic and a little less entitled, then you'd know I'm right.
Thanks for proving my point. Winning is more about great coaching than geography.
Bama has a marginal recruiting advantage over TN, but only marginal.
The difference between 10 - 2 and 8 - 4 is marginal, too.
I don't see the advantage being measurable in the W column.
The TN coaching job was just as attractive as AL's when Saban took the AL job.
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It would take a total gut job of the Ath Dept or sheer luck to be replicated. Look at our hires since Fulmer
a fired NFL coach who was uber immature
La Tech head coach
U of Cincy head coach
a defensive coordinator
we don’t exactly go and pluck proven head coaching talent from other P5 programs
Why would any top coach want to risk career suicide? TN fans need to get it through their heads who/what we are.
Again, Urban Meyer would have laughed if we'd been dumb enough to contact him. No way Saban wouldn't have come to Knoxville, either.
We have to roll the dice on guys who we hope might be great. I think we've got a good one now, and I hope fans are patient with him. I don't think we're going to do any better than Pruitt.
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Seivers was my all time favorite reciever. Slow white guy that caught everything in his area code....and was fearless.
I heard an interview of him a couple of years ago. He's still in the Knoxville area.
I've known Larry since he was in grade school. He was a goid basketball player as well. I played a lot if roundball with him and Kimmie Weaver who went to Vandy (good linebacker). Larry was not a fan of running. His driveway was (where he played a lot of roundball growing up) on a hill, if the ball got away it could roll a half mile down the road. He would bust his butt and leap to catch it so he did not have to make that trek. He and his dad broke many a lamp in their den football indoors much to his mom's dismay. Good family. They loved people and were active in the community.
His mom was concerned about the playing time he would get at UT because if Morgan's speed. I told her he would get lots just because of his hands.
Tn. signed two other players that year from Clinton Terry Moore a FB and Rusell Williams a LB - i think - he went out of country on a mission trip for his church for a year. He lost something on that trip an did not play much when he got back.
There was a RB on that HS team that they wanted but passed on because of his knees. He went to a small college and was killing it till he blew out a knee again and had to give up FB. Shame he was very good. Probably would have been one of the fans favorites if he had good knees.
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Why would any top coach want to risk career suicide? TN fans need to get it through their heads who/what we are.
Again, Urban Meyer would have laughed if we'd been dumb enough to contact him. No way Saban wouldn't have come to Knoxville, either.
We have to roll the dice on guys who we hope might be great. I think we've got a good one now, and I hope fans are patient with him. I don't think we're going to do any better than Pruitt.
I have confidence in Pruitt, unlike Dooley and Jones, and think he can/is moving the team in the right direction. He is digging out of a pretty big hole. Patience indeed.
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I have confidence in Pruitt, unlike Dooley and Jones, and think he can/is moving the team in the right direction. He is digging out of a pretty big hole. Patience indeed.
In ways it is a bigger hole than Battle left.
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Just giving you crap about the whole Roy Moore saga. You were pretty excited about the Moore losing. You babbled about for weeks that Senators represent all of us not just folks in the state.
It's fun to see evangelical Christians scramble to defend pedophiles.
What do you think TN's record would have been since 2007 if we hired Saban in 2007? About the same as Bama's?
Great hypothetical - I doubt we would have fared as well, but it's possible. Problem is, Saban wouldn't have touched Tennessee with a ten foot cattle prod.
Thanks for proving my point. Winning is more about great coaching than geography.
So the SEC coaching is just that superior? The players aren't any better? That would be news on NFL draft day every year.
The TN coaching job was just as attractive as AL's when Saban took the AL job.
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Gotta give props to you Fuzz, the pee wee gif is pretty damn funny
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The TN coaching job was just as attractive as AL's when Saban took the AL job. :s_laugh:
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The TN coaching job was just as attractive as AL's when Saban took the AL job.
I do like the meme but look at the facts. You tell me the better job when Saban took the AL job? AL was a disaster.
Wins from 2003-2007
AL- 33 not counting the forfeits.
TN- 44
2007 Alabama SEC 7-6 2-6 Vacated first five wins
2006 Alabama SEC 6-7 0-7 Vacated all six wins
2005 Alabama SEC 10-2 0-2 Vacated all ten wins.
2004 SEC 6 6 0 .500 5.77 0.68 Mike Shula (6-6) Music City Bowl-L
2003 SEC 4 9 0 .308 5.27 7.27 21 Mike Shula (4-9)
2007 SEC 10 4 0 .714 11.68 6.11 15 12 12 Phillip Fulmer (10-4) Outback Bowl-W
2006 SEC 9 4 0 .692 14.15 6.92 23 7 25 Phillip Fulmer (9-4) Outback Bowl-L
2005 SEC 5 6 0 .455 4.25 4.80 3 3 Phillip Fulmer (5-6)
2004 SEC 10 3 0 .769 11.69 5.00 14 9 13 Phillip Fulmer (10-3) Cotton Bowl-W
2003 SEC 10 3 0 .769 11.53 3.99 12 6 15 Phillip Fulmer (10-3) Peach Bowl-L
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The TN coaching job was just as attractive as AL's when Saban took the AL job.
I do like the meme but look at the facts. You tell me the better job when Saban took the AL job? AL was a disaster.
Wins from 2003-2007
AL- 33 not counting the forfeits.
TN- 44
2007 Alabama SEC 7-6 2-6 Vacated first five wins
2006 Alabama SEC 6-7 0-7 Vacated all six wins
2005 Alabama SEC 10-2 0-2 Vacated all ten wins.
2004 SEC 6 6 0 .500 5.77 0.68 Mike Shula (6-6) Music City Bowl-L
2003 SEC 4 9 0 .308 5.27 7.27 21 Mike Shula (4-9)
2007 SEC 10 4 0 .714 11.68 6.11 15 12 12 Phillip Fulmer (10-4) Outback Bowl-W
2006 SEC 9 4 0 .692 14.15 6.92 23 7 25 Phillip Fulmer (9-4) Outback Bowl-L
2005 SEC 5 6 0 .455 4.25 4.80 3 3 Phillip Fulmer (5-6)
2004 SEC 10 3 0 .769 11.69 5.00 14 9 13 Phillip Fulmer (10-3) Cotton Bowl-W
2003 SEC 10 3 0 .769 11.53 3.99 12 6 15 Phillip Fulmer (10-3) Peach Bowl-L
I hope you didn't waste too much time on all that irrelevant research.
Saban had won a natty in Baton Rouge, was considered an elite college coach, and knew he could recruit to Tuscaloosa. He would have wanted no part of Knoxville. He wouldn't have gone to Arkansas or South Carolina, either. He knew Bama was under-achieving just as surely as he knew we were over-achieving in the 90's when we were playing second fiddle to Florida in the East. Now Georgia has gotten their act together, and there's no reason to expect TN to overtake them (where some fans inexplicably think "we belong"). At best, we're the 3rd most attractive program in the East, which is an 8-win/year type of team. Face it.
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Face it Fuzz, Tennessee is an elite program and Tater Head will be the first disciple to defeat Saban.
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I have to say..you're grossly underpaid or have an extremely high regard for your talent to be a wannabe coach.
I happened to be a the Bama game at Legion Field when UT lost with Hinton as QB. If memory serves me correct we were unbaten at the time.
I doubt any coach in the country would change QB on the road at Legion Field when you're unbeaten.
I was also at the UT Auburn game when all Pat Ryan had to do was hold onto the ball for a couple of minutes to win the game and he fumbled the snap , Auburn recovered and Sullivan hooked up with Beasley for the winning TD in the closing seconds.
And if you think Daryl Dickey was a better QB than Tony Robison you're no judge of talent.
I loved DD but he inherited a team that was the most motivated of any of Major's teams.They refused to lose but if they had Robison UT would never have been tied by Ga Tech 6-6 the following week and would have likely won the NC. Dickey was an above average and smart QB that didn't beat his own team but he wasn't even close to Tony Robison's talent who was probably the most athletic QB in UT history ( including J.D.)
You don't have to school me on UT history. I was there for most of it.
Try telling that to Miami who was supposed to dominate UT in the Sugar bowl but Dickey did the dominating to the number one team in the country.
We lost to Georgia Tech because Majors handcuffed Dickey not letting him throw the ball playing not to lose as he did many times which Fulmer also did and yes I do know that because I was at the game.
Like most people who judge quarterbacks you think it's all about being athletic or mobile. There's more to playing the position than being able to scramble around which people like you don't seem to understand.
And when it comes to athletic quarterbacks Condrege Holloway was the best to ever play at UT or anywhere else as far as being the most athletic Robinson wasn't even close to what Holloway could do and wasn't half as smart either.
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And when it comes to athletic quarterbacks Condrege Holloway was the best to ever play at UT or anywhere else as far as being the most athletic Robinson wasn't even close to what Holloway could do and wasn't half as smart either.
Holloway (the Artful Dodger) and Dobbs were the two best quarterbacks UT ever had with their feet. Holloway only had two supporting cast members of note - Stanley Morgan and Larry Seivers.
But no one, and I mean no one, had an arm like Tony Robinson. A complete freak of nature.
Peyton had the best QB mind of anyone - which comes as no surprise.
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And when it comes to athletic quarterbacks Condrege Holloway was the best to ever play at UT or anywhere else as far as being the most athletic Robinson wasn't even close to what Holloway could do and wasn't half as smart either.
Holloway (the Artful Dodger) and Dobbs were the two best quarterbacks UT ever had with their feet. Holloway only had two supporting cast members of note - Stanley Morgan and Larry Seivers.
But no one, and I mean no one, had an arm like Tony Robinson. A complete freak of nature.
Peyton had the best QB mind of anyone - which comes as no surprise.
Peyton may not have been the most athletic but was the best quarterback by far because he loved the game and had the intelligence it takes to play the position. If a QB doesn't have that being athletic means his just another RB playing the position.
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But no one, and I mean no one, had an arm like Tony Robinson. A complete freak of nature.
I was in Neyland a few years ago and Robinson was there with a group of old-times getting honored for something and they were tossing footballs around and you could see that Robinson still had it. There's just something unmistakably unique with his arm motion, the way the ball came off his fingers, the tilt of the perfect spiral, and that effortless laser he put wherever he wanted. I'd forgotten what it looked like until I saw him throwing again. He coulda been one of the all-time greats to ever step foot on the gridiron.
Jeff George was another guy who had a magical arm that never achieved greatness that comes to mind, but I digress.
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Shuler had a lot of athleticism as well. In fact I’d say 2 of Fulmers top 5 games were the UGA and UF games when he filled in for Majors. He used Shuler to perfection in those 2 games !!!! Shuler just wasn’t smart enough for the NFL game but of course that lack of intelligence was more than sufficient to be a democratic politician.
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Can you think of a single SEC school who hasn't experienced multiple turnover in coaches over the last few years?
Possibly Alabama, but before Saban their coaches were in a revolving door,
Coaching turnover and high expectation is not a deal killier to competitive coaches.
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UGA has had two coaches in nearly twenty years, that could be least turnover.
The U.K. Coach is doing a nice job there I think.
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UGA has had two coaches in nearly twenty years, that could be least turnover.
The U.K. Coach is doing a nice job there I think.
Decent, I’d say for Stoops. I think he gets more credit than he deserves because he did manage to find a pulse at Kentucky.
The fact that he can’t beat UT in our worst historical period is quite the indictment against him. We’ve trotted out some real turds and still beaten the best Kentucky teams of the last 50 years.
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60+ yard pass in the air on the run across his body vs. Florida. Amazing....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEl_h4I_5UE
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Shuler had a lot of athleticism as well. In fact I’d say 2 of Fulmers top 5 games were the UGA and UF games when he filled in for Majors. He used Shuler to perfection in those 2 games !!!! Shuler just wasn’t smart enough for the NFL game but of course that lack of intelligence was more than sufficient to be a democratic politician.
Schuler's injury prevented him from making any impact.
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Shuler had a lot of athleticism as well. In fact I’d say 2 of Fulmers top 5 games were the UGA and UF games when he filled in for Majors. He used Shuler to perfection in those 2 games !!!! Shuler just wasn’t smart enough for the NFL game but of course that lack of intelligence was more than sufficient to be a democratic politician.
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Are you saying it takes more than athleticism to play quarterback? There are certainly are a lot of sunshine pumpers and homers on this board that will disagree with you. They think all it takes is a strong arm and being athletic to play QB.
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I've never heard a single person claim that all it took was athleticism to be a premiere QB. If saying it helps to be atheletic is being a sunshine pumper....I plead guilty. How do yuo come up with this stuff?
BTW...Payton Manning was never referred to as a QB gifted with athelticism.
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I've never heard a single person claim that all it took was athleticism to be a premiere QB. If saying it helps to be atheletic is being a sunshine pumper....I plead guilty. How do yuo come up with this stuff?
BTW...Payton Manning was never referred to as a QB gifted with athelticism.
It's fairly easy when people keep providing me the material to respond to. Unlike coach Tater Head I do have a relative good command of the English language.
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Could you provide that material you refer to?
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Could you provide that material you refer to?
You're posting a lot of it I just respond in kind with my opinions same as you do to me.
No hard feelings it's just varying opinions that shows how people view things differently and some of it is actually funny if you don't take it all to serious.
I quit taking it serious long ago because win, lose or draw the outcome of the game doesn't affect my quality of life at all.
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again...what did I post implying that it only takes athelticism to be a great QB? I'm at a loss to how you got that idea?
I can think of a few UT QB's in the past that was praised as being very athletic:
I.E......Condrege Holliway, Jimmy Streater, Tony Robison and Josh Dobbs.I'm sure there were more but these come to mind.
They were all thought of as great athletes but above all they were all very smart and great field generals.
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again...what did I post implying that it only takes athelticism to be a great QB? I'm at a loss to how you got that idea?
I can think of a few UT QB's in the past that was praised as being very athletic:
I.E......Condrege Holliway, Jimmy Streater, Tony Robison and Josh Dobbs.I'm sure there were more but these come to mind.
They were all thought of as great athletes but above all they were all very smart and great field generals.
Robinson couldn't have been real smart he got caught dealing drugs.
Print and insert your name you've earned.
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Do you always have this type of response to anyone who doesn't agree with you/
I never heard of Robison using drugs while playing at UT.
All of his drug and legal problems came up after he was injured and presumably after he left UT.
You don't get on the cover of SI for having a career day against the #1 team in the country by being a dumb QB.
Just a personal opinion but calling our coaches and AD juvenile names like the dozens of other perpetual malcontents is "beating a dead horse"
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Robinson couldn't have been real smart he got caught dealing drugs.
Print and insert your name you've earned.
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I can think of a few others that did as well and went on to the pros.
Coke got its hooks into and ruined a lot of people that were very intelligent, just used bad judgement. Thankfully, for some, the hooks are not as bad or as deadly as other drugs many experimented with. That applies to people in all walks of life. The best guitar player I have ever seen had demons, when he was not using you could have in depth conversations with him on many subjects, The Bible, World/American/local History, the arts, the law, etc. He was well read and very intelligent. When he was straight he was in high demand to play in multiple peoples road bands, I could name some and you would know them. I hate he returned to drugs. They were the root cause of his heart failure that took him all to soon.
There are numerous people in the law, Judges, Nuclear Engineers, etc. who have all fell pray to the deadly siren of certain drugs and for a variety of reasons. All where highly intelligent, but used poor judgement.
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Shuler had a lot of athleticism as well. In fact I’d say 2 of Fulmers top 5 games were the UGA and UF games when he filled in for Majors. He used Shuler to perfection in those 2 games !!!! Shuler just wasn’t smart enough for the NFL game but of course that lack of intelligence was more than sufficient to be a democratic politician.
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From the little I've heard about Robison in recent years he got his life in order , married and even had a kid that played football at UTM. Was using spare time to coach PeeWee football.
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I never heard of Robison using drugs while playing at UT.
All of his drug and legal problems came up after he was injured and presumably after he left UT.
I'm not saying it caused him any problems (legal or otherwise), but I was at UT at the same time as Robinson and had a good friend who regularly smoked pot with Robinson.
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I'm not saying it caused him any problems (legal or otherwise), but I was at UT at the same time as Robinson and had a good friend who regularly smoked pot with Robinson.
Lots of UT jocks in a variety of sports smoked pot in the 60's and 70's
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Lots of UT jocks in a variety of sports smoked pot in the 60's and 70's
This was in the 80's, but I just wanted to set the record straight that I have it on good authority that Robinson wasn't exactly drug-free during his time in Knoxville.
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This was in the 80's, but I just wanted to set the record straight that I have it on good authority that Robinson wasn't exactly drug-free during his time in Knoxville.
So you think the practice magically stopped when the calendar changed?
I can tell you that many were not either in the 60's and 70's. Some are of public record, some are not as it appears that is true in the 80's, 90's, 00's, 10's and heading into the 20's.
If you do a search there are numerous means available now to defeat most drug test. Peeing in a bottle is no fun, try doing it with someone watch. Now sometimes they want to do more than that.
You hair can tell on you, wonder why there are now people shaving their heads?
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Fuzz Tennessee's had a drug problem with their football team for quite some time.
They've been drug up and down the field by the better teams in conference for almost twenty years.
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https://youtu.be/OfImTTk5maA
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The backup doesn't look good either.