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The Power Five => Big XII => Topic started by: Thumper on December 01, 2017, 10:17:32 AM
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Barry Trammel has a good point. (http://newsok.com/baker-mayfield-is-the-most-important-player-in-big-12-history/article/5574200)
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2 syllables with an M in the middle.
Homer. Trammel.
Some similarity.
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Jenni Carlson has a good story to tell too. (http://newsok.com/article/5574194?slideout=1)
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I loved the softball story. It’d be a hoot to be on his team.
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Not surprisingly, Baker is a Heisman Finalist.
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I hope they make a Baker Bobblehead.
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I hope they make a Baker Bobblehead.
For Baker, maybe it could be adjusted to be a bobble crotch
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Well, Baker has a full trophy case now, AP POY, Walter Camp POY, Davey O'Brien, Maxwell.. Just room for one more.
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For Baker, maybe it could be adjusted to be a bobble crotch
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Well, Baker has a full trophy case now, AP POY, Walter Camp POY, Davey O'Brien, Maxwell.. Just room for one more.
All from a walk-on at Texas Tech that couldn't even win the starting job.
I hate to see what Kyler Murray turns into.
It just makes no sense... Idk, if I was on my death bed, I may put on a sooner t-shirt before I go to meet my maker.
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that shirt better be air conditioned
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that shirt better be air conditioned
ouch, you're pretty brave.
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I guess the "Big 12" hasn't been around long enough to include the bulk of the names most important to each member school. Being the Big 12's most important player ever covers just about 20 years, I guess.
I'd vote for VY but that's more based on what kind of season a guy has and how successful he is, vs. "how important he is." I don't even know how to measure that.
Just guys from current schools, gimme Barry Sanders. Without him I wouldn't ever even have known what is a "Big 8." Some donut shop trying to cheat me out of a baker's dozen, sounds like.
Or....a Baker's 12 as it were.
Baker's BIG twelve.
SWIDT? It all comes full circle. I guess he is the most important player.
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New York Times: No Two Are Exactly the Same: How the Heisman Trophy is Made (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/07/sports/heisman-trophy.html)
Surprising to me, they are made in Del City, OK.
Probably by some "bad apples" run out of Texas with no offers to start their business there, living in mobile homes and spending days at a time high on meth. (https://www.cfb51.com/Smileys/fantasticsmileys/rolleyes.gif)
Hey, Drew, why doesn't the "roll eyes" emoticon among the choices here on the board work? I had to copy this one from the www.
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Yeah, we Okies are all living the life of Walter White. <insert double eye roll>
But huh, Del City, that's interesting. If Baker wins this tomorrow, that means we're averaging a Heisman about every 5-6 years so far this century. Might as well keep it local, huh?
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Baker vs the NYC Subway
https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/939247038612504576 (https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/939247038612504576)
Looks like he is going to Bangkok.
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#6 goes to #6!
Congrats to Baker. Well deserved.
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Yep.
Would have been a stunner if he hadn't won it, but you never know until the winner's name is called.
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Congratulation to Baker Mayfield and to the University of Oklahoma
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Classy post 320 but no surprise as you’re a classy guy. Thanks amigo.
Btw your snow made its way over here to MD. A nice 2-3” blanket that’s not sticking on the roads. My 14 year old had a heckuva fun day with it.
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we ended up getting 3 inches which was just enough to have a snowball fight
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Thanks, 320. Glad you got some white stuff to throw around.
I understand that Galveston got its first snow since the '90s. The 1890s.
We got no snow in Tulsa. High temps in the 20s yesterday, 50s today.
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corngrats to Baker
always root for the walk-on!
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Baker’s acceptance speech:
https://www.google.com/amp/heavy.com/sports/2017/12/baker-mayfield-heisman-trophy-speech-video/amp/ (https://www.google.com/amp/heavy.com/sports/2017/12/baker-mayfield-heisman-trophy-speech-video/amp/)
Sometimes his emotions have gotten him in trouble, but other times they’ve helped rise to greatness. I think this is a very moving, gracious and heartfelt speech.
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i'm glad that is all over. Hopefully, we'll get back to some actual game coverage. One thing I noticed in Baker's speech, he said "we have TWO more to go" (emphasis mine). I hope he is right.
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I guess the "Big 12" hasn't been around long enough to include the bulk of the names most important to each member school. Being the Big 12's most important player ever covers just about 20 years, I guess.
I'd vote for VY but that's more based on what kind of season a guy has and how successful he is, vs. "how important he is." I don't even know how to measure that.
Just guys from current schools, gimme Barry Sanders. Without him I wouldn't ever even have known what is a "Big 8." Some donut shop trying to cheat me out of a baker's dozen, sounds like.
Or....a Baker's 12 as it were.
Baker's BIG twelve.
SWIDT? It all comes full circle. I guess he is the most important player.
The point I think Trammel is making is that Baker came along at a critical time for the Big 12, when perceptions of the conference were really low and he and the Sooners are changing that perception. Between 94-2009, the Big 12 was nationally prominent with Nebraska, OU and Texas winning NCs and several appearances in the NC games. There were many excellent players but really none were the "face" of the Big 12 the was Baker has been the last few years.
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Winning a Heisman with such amazing alltime numbers including beating top ooc teams like Auburn and Ohio State helps, but the key is winning an NC.
The reality is that OU only has a 25% chance of doing that (all things held equal), so it’s still a big lift to get there. Still that’s what it will take to get the Big 12 back on the map imo.
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Somewhere recently I saw (or heard?) something where Tramel was elaborating on the comparison of Baker to Vince Young. I can't find it now, but he said that VY's 2005 season, culminating in the Rose Bowl win over USC for the MNC was better than what Baker has put up (at least so far). But he went on to opine that VY's career was less impressive (impactful?) because he wasn't the starter most of his freshman season and then he left after his junior season.
Baker's going to have to have VY-type impact against Georgia and then again against the Bama-Clemson winner to equal or surpass Young's 2005 season, which was an undefeated one.
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CW my 2 cents worth on Baker vs VY
Baker is a much better passer then VY
VY was a bigger dual threat then Baker
Each has the heart of a champion
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Agree with 320.
And as I think you’re alluding Cdub, VY’s 2005 season is still the gold standard. The only other Big 12 QB that has come close to that one was Josh Heupel in leading OU to a perfect 2000 and NC victory. But still Vince’s 2005 has to be considered better given the nature of how the Texas offense won the Rose Bowl (whereas it was really the OU defense who won the Orange Bowl in the 2000 game). Who can forget how VY capped that game, with that amazing 4th and goal score of his in the Rose Bowl, icing the game and the NC for the Horns.
That was one of the greatest plays in the history of not just the big 12, but of all of college football.
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I'm surprised FF hasn't chimed in with Tommy Frasier and the '95 Huskers. He went 12-0 & an MNC. It wasn't as dramatic as VY's 4th & long to win the game but that Husker team dominated like no other I can remember.
Oh, I went and checked and the Big 12 didn't start play until '96 even though it was established in '94. Anyhow, it was a great team.
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I suppose I could have went with Scott Frost
brought the Big 12 it's first MNC
but, even with the Big 12 in it's early years, the conference wasn't begging for respect in 96 or 97
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No doubt. They played a Big 8 schedule wiping out everyone (incl 37-0 over the beloved) in the conference as well as Mich St, Ariz St and then a total thumping of Florida in the NC game.
That was pre SEC SEC SEC.
Do you think Frost is gonna bring that TO glory back FF?
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yes, I think Scott will be successful.
probably not to the glory of Osborne's final 5 seasons, but the 9-10 wins with a few Big Ten titles.
He has as good a chance as anyone out there right now.
strong coaching history since he jumped in, and mostly, he knows Lincoln, UNL, and the modern game
ya never know for sure, he could fail, but he will get some time and support
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I’d love to see him do well, particularly in 2021, where I hope he just has one regular season loss that year (and a second of course if it turns out we meet up in the playoffs).
Too bad Riley didn’t work out. He had some great years (but also some mediocre ones) in Corvallis.
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yup, everyone wanted to see Riley succeed
great guy
just not a great fit in the Big Ten West - gotta run the ball and stop the run - or ya git run over
If Frost doesn't have things going well by 2021 the natives will be getting restless - beating the Sooners would be a huge boost
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Good luck to Scott Frost.
Hard to accept that the 2021 OU-Nebraska game will be 50 years after the GOTCOTC.
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don't have to accept that we are getting old
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Looks like Baker will play in the Senior Bowl.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2018/story/_/id/21847810/baker-mayfield-oklahoma-sooners-accepts-senior-bowl-invite
The dude plays for the love of playing.
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His enthusiasm is highly contagious
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I said to a friend of mine last season, that it is finally fun to watch OU again. I still watch a lot of OU games, but they really haven't had a charismatic type guy like Baker in some time. Bradford and Landry Jones and others were great players no doubt, and some good skill players as usual, but nobody was must see. Baker has been must see TV for me.