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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Cincydawg on October 04, 2020, 09:47:14 AM
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I THINK this is going reasonably well so far, I don't see an a priori reason to think the wheels come off any time soon. Of course, it's all a guess pretty much. If it ended in two weeks, I doubt any of us would be shocked, and if they finish the playoff, same. I don't know about the bowls, I know some minor bowls have cancelled already.
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With daily rapid testing in place, I think the B1G can make it through their season. Not sure what the other conferences are doing.
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Well Utah is heading into their final week of their HS season without any major setbacks. Crowds have been unlimited, and mask policies have been poorly enforced.
So I think CFB will push through without a ton of outbreaks. A few here, a few there.
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Yeah, things are looking better than I expected back when, and yes, it's a bit early yet.
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Absent high profile hospitalizations or deaths, I think almost every team will play most of their schedule.
I think at the least, sports have shown they can endure the slow burn. Some teams will have big outbreaks and there will continue to be random canceled or rescheduled games. But I'm going to say I think most teams will have isolated positive cases and they're going to manage through it.
So far it doesn't like anything like the worst case scenario with cases.
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I'm guessing with how high the standards are for compliance, I think a couple teams (B1G) may bite the dust, but for the most part things progress as normal.
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I suspect we will see make up games in mid december... games will be postponed rather than dropped.
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much more optimism here
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Most teams will finish their season but a small number of games will be canceled along the way.
All FBS Conferences will still play their championship games and the 4-team playoff will still happen.
The only thing I question is will schools send their teams to minor bowl or just choose to close it down after Dec. 19. I think many schools will just close it down once the regular season is done.
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the huskers would play a minor bowl
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Florida State coaching great Bobby Bowden, 90, was admitted to the hospital Tuesday as he undergoes treatment for COVID-19.
Bowden's wife, Ann, told the Tallahassee Democrat that her husband was taken by ambulance to Tallahassee Memorial HealthCare because of fatigue and was scheduled to undergo tests.
Bowden had been released from the same facility just last week after undergoing treatment for a leg infection.
Bowden told the Democrat on Monday that he had not exhibited any symptoms associated with COVID-19 after being informed Sunday that he had tested positive.
Also Tuesday, Florida State said university president John Thrasher has tested positive for the virus, and he is isolating at home with his wife, who also has tested positive.
The university said Thrasher received his test result Tuesday after his wife, Jean, was tested due to unrelated medical treatment. The statement said both are feeling well. Thrasher had attended last Saturday's football game against Jacksonville State.
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FSU is a mess, in many ways.
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The upcoming game between Baylor and No. 7 Oklahoma State has been postponed.
The Bears and Cowboys were scheduled to meet on Oct. 17, but the Big 12 announced on Sunday night the game will be moved to Dec. 12.
Baylor on Thursday suspended all football-related activities because the school needed to evaluate recent positive tests for COVID-19 and perform contact tracing of its team.
The Big 12 said that the league's championship game remains tentatively scheduled for Dec. 12 or Dec. 19, depending on the game results needed to determine the title game's participants.
This is the third game on Baylor's schedule to be postponed this season. The Bears' scheduled season opener against Louisiana Tech on Sept. 12 was postponed because of Louisiana Tech's COVID-19 testing results. The Bears' hastily scheduled game with Houston for Sept. 19 was postponed a day before kickoff because the Bears were short of the league's COVID-19 thresholds at a key position group.
This is the second Oklahoma State game to be pushed back. The Cowboys season opener with Tulsa delayed a week because of a nine-day pause Tulsa had to take as a result of COVID-19 testing. That game was played Sept. 19 instead of its originally scheduled date of Sept. 12.
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So, it appears on the surface things are going fairly well but there are some shudders and teetering at some schools.
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The only thing I like about Baylor is its coach. The program should have been gutted years ago.
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So, it appears on the surface things are going fairly well but there are some shudders and teetering at some schools.
it doesn't appear at this point, that playing a football game is a major factor in spreading the virus
I hope it is the truth and stays this way
basketball might be much different
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LSU-Florida joins Vanderbilt-Missouri in SEC games ppd this weekend.
And Ole Miss reporting a bunch of cases, but still under the postponed threshold
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fingers crossed
just make it 10 more days and I get to see at least one Husker game
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We do have #2 playing #3 Saturday evening, one powerful offense and one impressive defense on each side.
I probably will watch ...
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We do have #2 playing #3 Saturday evening, one powerful offense and one impressive defense on each side.
I probably will watch ...
What I find funny about that is in any #2 vs #3 matchup involving 'Bama, one would immediately assume that the impressive defense would be Bama's and the powerful offense would be whoever they're playing.
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I concur, but no so much this year so far.
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We do have #2 playing #3 Saturday evening, one powerful offense and one impressive defense on each side.
I probably will watch ...
you could do something more productive, such as, reading a book, watching a slide show of your friend's vacation, or posting on an internet message board.
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Or working on my sequel. Sales have been good so far.
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Why didn't you premier here then?Keep us down and outs informed
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I did mention it before.
https://www.amazon.com/Rebel-Cause-Book-John-Dyer-ebook/dp/B08KTN5HJV/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=dyer+rebel&qid=1602885512&sr=8-1
The wife is actually reading it, in English, which is not as easy for her. She's about a quarter of the way through and claims to like it. It's 232 pages.
You can read an excerpt for free, I do need real feedback, no sugar coating, if anyone cares to provide, even to tell me it's pretty boring and you never got into it.
I worry I spent too long on the early part before the action started.
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CD you wrote this?Not going to lie I'm not a big fan of Novels,if I could get it at the library I'd start flipping pages
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I could e publish for free, to put it into hard copy of course is more of a challenge and expense.
I'm shopping it around with some agents but so far no bites. They have extensive web pages and claim to respond within a week, but they don't apparently bother.
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Mrs. 847 will download to her Kindle and read it.
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I will read it. But between working 5 days a week and CFB and NFL the other two, not sure how soon lol...
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Thanks guys, it's not very expensive, and I don't get much for it, but the cost of self publishing paperback was not worth it to me. I'm working on Book 2, about half way done, and am looking into how to publish otherwise.
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hard copies would seem unnecessary these days
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Folks still like book stores and libraries. And I think the fact that a thing is published is an imprimatur of something, it was vetted, probably is written reasonably well etc.
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On Sunday, Purdue announced that head. Coach Jeff Brohm had tested positive for COVID-19. The school did not specify his status for this weekend’s game against Iowa in the announcement, but stated in a release that Brohm would address the positive test during a Zoom press conference on Monday.
“During Purdue’s daily COVID-19 testing on Sunday, Oct. 18, head football coach Jeff Brohm returned a presumed positive result via an antigen test, we are awaiting confirmation via a PCR test,” the statement read. “He informed his staff and the team this afternoon and is currently at home in isolation. Coach Brohm will address the media via a Zoom call Monday during his scheduled weekly press conference at 11 a.m. ET.”
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from the press conference earlier today...................
-- Frost said he's confident that Nebraska can keep its Covid-positivity numbers under the Big Ten's aggressive thresholds this season. Frost said that enough players have either tested positive for the virus or tested positive for antibodies that he believes Nebraska should be in the clear. He also said that Nebraska currently does not have any players opting out for the season, or have players who will miss time because of a positive test.
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And so to commemorate the 10th anniversary of Rufus' epic attack on Brutus and, at long last, the return of Big Ten play and the Buckeyes' much-anticipated 2020 season (beginning Saturday vs. Nebraska at noon ET), that's exactly how we decided to present it. Alternatively from both perspectives: Ohio State's and everyone else's.
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/30146667/brutus-buckeye-viral-2010-bobcat-brouhaha-lives-legendary-laughable (https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/30146667/brutus-buckeye-viral-2010-bobcat-brouhaha-lives-legendary-laughable)
(https://www.si.com/.image/t_share/MTY4MjYyNjAwMTcwNzQzMDYx/rufus-brutus-p1jpg.jpg)
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Mayors from Big Ten college communities sent a letter to conference officials asking for more “practical measures” to slow the spread of COVID-19 during game days.
According to the letter, football games commonly “generate a lot of activity, social gatherings, and the consumption of alcohol,” which contribute to the spread of COVID-19.
To combat this, the mayors are asking for the following measures to be taken by the Big Ten:
***Define the metrics used for the overall community population positivity rates and test positivity.
***Work with local leaders and health departments in deciding whether or not a game should be played.
***Release game times and schedules as early as possible and make an effort to avoid having evening or late afternoon games.
Eleven mayors from Big Ten college towns in Maryland, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Illinois, Indiana, Minnesota, Iowa, Ohio, and Wisconsin signed the letter. The mayor of Lansing also signed it.
Not listed in the letter are the mayors of Urbana-Champaign, IL (University of Illinois), Newark, NJ (Rutgers) and Lincoln.
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Washtenaw Counties exempted Michigan football from their stay-at-home order for UM students.
https://twitter.com/NicoleAuerbach/status/1318616585561669634?s=20
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did they sneak this past Gretchen Whitmer???
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Seems the season is going about as expected ...
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Yes. A shitshow.
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I agree the season is going about as expected, I would term it as being "OK", not a "SS".
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I guess it depends which program you're following.
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The season hasn't blown up.
A few individual teams have had outbreaks. Most have not.
A few games have been canceled/postponed. Most have not.
It seems that with 88% of the poll vote, this was the "expectation": Most teams finish, a handful do not (<10%) due to COVID
And I don't think that === "shitshow".
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The term "SS" is rather more dire and extreme than what I'm seeing. I would use that term if multiple teams had dropped out completely and conferences were about to shut it down, incomplete season.
I doubt anyone expected this to progress without issues and lumps. I think many of us saw a distinct possibility it would collapse in 2-3 weeks or so. And short of that, it was possible a few teams would "opt out". I think the situation is less dire than any of those scenarios, so far.
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Yeah, cases are up nationally and we're in the bottom of the 5th inning of the season....
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And everyone here would agree this could get back quickly resulting in a truncated season.
But, thus far, things are "OK" in my opinion. I'm not disposed to always forecasting the worst possible eventuality.
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I guess it depends which program you're following.
I think the characterization is one that would apply to the entirety, no? How is the season going overall, for everyone?
And you apparently believe it is going about as badly as it possibly could, which is fine to hold such an opinion of course. There were two options in the poll selected by no one who voted that would have been a "SS" in my view.
We roll along a few more weeks and teams start dropping by the wayside and it's done0 (0%)
Within two weeks it will be obvious we're done and it is ended0 (0%)
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48 FBS games were played today. 12 were postponed or cancelled. 20% of the games not being played in a given week is a shit show to me. I understand it isn't for all.
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I'll take 80%
especially when the Huskers are playing
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Here is a list of games not being played this weekend:
Purdue vs No. 10 Wisconsin (canceled)
Washington vs California (canceled)
Arizona vs Utah (canceled)
Louisville vs Virginia (postponed)
Air Force vs Army (postponed)
Tulsa vs Navy (postponed)
UTSA vs Rice (postponed)
Charlotte vs Middle Tennessee (postponed)
Florida International vs UTEP (canceled)
Louisiana Tech vs North Texas (postponed)
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Wisconsin may consider the season a shit show, so far.
Props to teams like Clemson that take the field, compete, and entertain their fans even w/o their star player
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Lots of G5 teams have had to postpone/cancel.
To date, something like 142 out of a scheduled 152 P5 vs. P5 games have been played. That's ~93% which I actually think is surprisingly high compared to my expectations before the season.
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It's going better than I expected and feared it might. Most major games are being played and relatively few stars are out.
And it appears if this continues apace we'll have some kind of post season.
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I can see Clemson handing the Irish their first loss in the ACC championship game. This may be the year an undefeated PAC-12 champion gets in the playoff.
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Back in June, I think many of us figured there would be NO season at all, none. Then there were signs some conferences would try, and many of us figured that might well implode after 3-4 games, rational expectations. And here we are now, better off than either of those guesses, which to me means things are better than many expected.
Nobody expected a perfectly run operation. I'm impressed with how flexible the conferences have been, I would NOT have expected that.
So, my own rating is "better than expected", not "much better", but better.
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Agree, it's definitely better than expected so far.
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And then there's this:
https://twitter.com/NicoleAuerbach/status/1325892431259332608?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1325892431259332608%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.surlyhorns.com%2Fboard%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fnicoleauerbach%2Fstatus%2F1325892431259332608%3Fs%3D21
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Texas A&M, and LSU, also experiencing COVID-positive tests and potential outbreaks.
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Texas A&M, and LSU, also experiencing COVID-positive tests and potential outbreaks.
I thought Orgeron said everyone from LSU had already had it?
I guess they hadn't had it twice yet?
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Orgeron says many things
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Hmmm, this could deteriorate into a "S Show".
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Orgeron says many things
But no one can understand him, so...
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Texas A&M, and LSU, also experiencing COVID-positive tests and potential outbreaks.
So A&M-UTenn and LSU-Alabama won't be happening this weekend.
We might be inching closer to OAM's shitshow.
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we've been there a while by his definition
the season was "rigged"
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oh geez!
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So A&M-UTenn and LSU-Alabama won't be happening this weekend.
We might be inching closer to OAM's shitshow.
Yep an inch but still miles away
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Georgia-Mizzou has been announced as postponed as well.
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Well, boo, the wheels may be coming off now and it could turn into a "SS" for real.
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Well, boo, the wheels may be coming off now and it could turn into a "SS" for real.
At least in the SEC SEC SEC.
I gotta say though, as this looks more and more like it has a weather component to it, I am left wishing that the B1G had stuck with their first schedule which started in Sept instead of a late Oct start. We'd be getting close to done with our season now, instead of 6 weeks left.
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The B1G really f'd this up.
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The B1G really f'd this up.
For sure. The Huskers were telling all of you that, 3 months ago...
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dern straight
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At least in the SEC SEC SEC.
I gotta say though, as this looks more and more like it has a weather component to it, I am left wishing that the B1G had stuck with their first schedule which started in Sept instead of a late Oct start. We'd be getting close to done with our season now, instead of 6 weeks left.
if the folks from SEC territory are going inside because it's too cold......... they're too weak for the virus
it's 75 in Atlanta
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For the college kids, seems like the spread is just about always related to some kind of party.
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will we see a spike do to all the folks voting in-person last week?
I remember Wisconsin being called out for in person voting COVID spike this spring
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It was not crowded at all here, so I don't expect to see a spike. So many voted early here - 85 percent I heard.
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I voted early, spent no more than ten minutes inside the building, 2 minutes of that in front of the helper as he checked my ID and printed my ballot, from behind plexiglass shield. Everyone wore masks. Not really an environment for any major spread.
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All the election-day coverage I was watching showed the voter lines being spread out, with sufficient distance between individuals or "groups" in the line. So I don't see it as being a major source.
Back to football, I've actually been mostly impressed with the stadiums that have allowed fans back in, regarding their ability to set up--and more importantly enforce--distancing between seating groups. I figured the fans--especially students--would end up clustering into the best seats in the house and stadium security be unable or unwilling to really effectively police it, especially in states with less political push for strong mitigation efforts.
Overall, it's looked pretty clean, with the exception of those Golden Domer fans who rushed the field after last Saturday's game.
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All the election-day coverage I was watching showed the voter lines being spread out, with sufficient distance between individuals or "groups" in the line. So I don't see it as being a major source.
Back to football, I've actually been mostly impressed with the stadiums that have allowed fans back in, regarding their ability to set up--and more importantly enforce--distancing between seating groups. I figured the fans--especially students--would end up clustering into the best seats in the house and stadium security be unable or unwilling to really effectively police it, especially in states with less political push for strong mitigation efforts.
Overall, it's looked pretty clean, with the exception of those Golden Domer fans who rushed the field after last Saturday's game.
I think it helps that in our stadium at least, the wealthy blue-hairs have the best seats, and the students have never had access to them, and so don't bother trying. The blue hairs are in no hurry to rub shoulders with one another, so they maintain the spacing.
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And now this-- Maryland COVID cases cause cancellation of their game against Ohio State this weekend:
https://twitter.com/umterps/status/1326608185185230852
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This is going to make the head of @Brutus Buckeye (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=31) explode.
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They think they can beat Indiana and Michigan, so they duck OSU and hope that someone else can knock 'em off.
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This is going to make the head of @Brutus Buckeye (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=31) explode.
MTerp is like the Buckeyes/BIG luck out again,which may be the case
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Texas @Kansas postponed from this weekend due to cases in Lawrence.
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Maryland hasn't started practicing again...but the game with MSU hasn't been cancelled yet for some reason.
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Decision today on that one. I don't think they will play.
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Cancelled.
I get ducking OSU, but this one seems curious. I guess I'll just post this
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The various football scheduling models considered by the Big Ten for 2020 have been revealed.
https://andywittry.substack.com/p/here-are-the-other-football-scheduling (https://andywittry.substack.com/p/here-are-the-other-football-scheduling)
The stated recommendation in the deck was to begin the season as soon as it was possible for all 14 Big Ten schools to safely play at least nine games.
“Minimum of 62 games plus Championship Game needed,” read one bullet point, which was likely a reference to the Big Ten’s television deal.
The Big Ten could reach the 63-game requirement if every Big Ten team were to play nine games – eight regular-season games, plus a Champions Week matchup. That’s why the October Kickoff and Late December Kickoff models both featured nine scheduled games per school.
As of 5 p.m. ET Wednesday, Nov. 18, three Big Ten games have been canceled, meaning the conference will play 60 games if every remaining game is played as scheduled. However, Maryland did not practice Wednesday, per The Washington Post’s Emily Giambalvo, putting its Week 12 game against Michigan State in jeopardy.
Another bullet point referenced a 47-game minimum if there’s a scenario where the Big Ten plays fewer than 62 games. That means, presumably, that in order to hit a financial or contractual benchmark with its TV deal, the Big Ten needs to play at least 23 of the 35 remaining games scheduled, including the Big Ten Championship Game, in the final four weeks of the regular season, plus Champions Week.
One slide listed four stated priorities for the conference:
Ensure the health and safety of Big Ten student-athletes
Present multiple options to maximize fan interest in a reimagined 2020 season
Maintain the ability to play a full 12-game season in Fall 2021
In addition, the Conference strives to create a meaningful playing experience for its student-athletes
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I get ducking OSU, but this one seems curious. I guess I'll just post this
Are you with @Brutus Buckeye (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=31) in the belief that schools (UW and UMD so far) are cancelling games to duck opponents rather than out of legitimate safety concerns?
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Neither met the qualifications by which the Big Ten requires cancelation of games. Maryland isn't even close.
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was no need for the Badgers to duck the Huskers - no need for maryland to duck Sparty, at least regarding scoreboard and a "W"
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was no need for the Badgers to duck the Huskers - no need for maryland to duck Sparty, at least regarding scoreboard and a "W"
We talked a little about whether skipping a game potentially benefits a team by reducing the chance for a loss, since win percentage is less important than H2H as a tiebreaker.
But for Wisconsin specifically to choose to skip a second to "duck" a potential loss is just terrible game theory. In order to be eligible for the CCG, they need to play 6 games. By skipping a second game, they ensured that 6 games played becomes the upper limit.
So their CCG hopes are now out of their hands. Even if they win out every game they play from this point, all it takes is ONE team to cancel on them and they're out of the CCG.
Ducking one game, maybe that makes sense. Ducking two is stupid.
(Less impactful for Maryland obviously as they didn't have legit CCG hopes.)
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Have you seen UW play?
Do you really think they are intentionally ducking anyone? They were devastated to not be allowed to play.
The decision was made by the chancellor - one who supports lockdowns, one who hates sports, and one who matriculated at Minnesota. Strike 3.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca_Blank
Seriously. This talk of ducking has to stop.
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Have you seen UW play?
Do you really think they are intentionally ducking anyone? They were devastated to not be allowed to play.
The decision was made by the chancellor - one who supports lockdowns, one who hates sports, and one who matriculated at Minnesota. Strike 3.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca_Blank
Seriously. This talk of ducking has to stop.
Matriculated. 😂😂😂
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Ya I don't think BA would have backed out with potentially the best QB he's evere had.If they went ahead and more contacted covid then what would have been said - rock/hard place
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Matriculated. 😂😂😂
I could put it another way, but not here. :)
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Ya I don't think BA would have backed out with potentially the best QB he's evere had.If they went ahead and more contacted covid then what would have been said - rock/hard place
I hope King Barry outlasts her. Otherwise I'm concerned that the new guy won't be able to have much of a say.
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(Less impactful for Maryland obviously as they didn't have legit CCG hopes.)
Sure they do. They already beat Penn State. Thus they can probably hang with Michigan and Indiana. Their only loss was a crossover game, so their best chance to get to the CCG, at least mathematically, would be to duck OSU, and then hope that someone else in the B1G East can knock them off. They would then be tied in the loss column, and they would win the tie breaker by virtue of having a better record within the East Division.
Now your theory about the second game does indeed shoot a hole in my tongue and cheek postulations. Particularly with Maryland's example where the Terps could probably defeat the Spartans with their mascots and cheerleaders. So kudos on that one.
As far as Wisconsin, King Berry would love it if they were declared ineligable for the CCG. He hates having to play any team with a pulse from the opposite division. So that example doesn't refute my theory at all. :d030:
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(https://i.imgur.com/fWcAkzp.png)
As far as Wisconsin, King Berry would love it if they were declared ineligable for the CCG. He hates having to play any team with a pulse from the opposite division. So that example doesn't refute my theory at all. :d030:
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One SEC game off this week, so that's better anyway.
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only one off in the Big 12?
2 in the Pac cancelled
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only one off in the Big 12?
2 in the Pac cancelled
Golderned Kansans just can't stop partying.
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it's the extreme weather there
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Two SEC games cancelled or PPD, to be replaced by Vandy playing Mizzou.
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good of them to have a replacement strategy
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Yeah, Arkansas and Tennessee are out, they were to play Mizzou and Vandy. The conferences have been very flexible I think and innovative.
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the conferences not named the Big Ten
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the conferences not named the Big Ten
Has the Big Ten had to cancel multiple games in the same week yet?
IIRC, the Big Ten/Pac 12 were the first conferences to announce the possibility of two schools, where both opponents had cancelled, to instead play each other. The SEC, Big XII, and ACC all have had weekends where multiple games were called off, and they didn't do that.
So it seems like the Big Ten has been both safer and more flexible.
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I really like that the Big Ten appears to have been safer to this point
I don't like that they had no plan to replace opponents that were not safe. Either non-con or another conference team.
well, until it happened to Ohio State
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I don't like that they had no plan to replace opponents that were not safe. Either non-con or another conference team.
Nobody did. The Big Ten approved the possibility of doing it before the SEC, Big XII or ACC did, even with the late start
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I really like that the Big Ten appears to have been safer to this point
I don't like that they had no plan to replace opponents that were not safe. Either non-con or another conference team.
well, until it happened to Ohio State
I think they made that announcement before the OSU/MD cancellation. It was after Wisconsin missed two games in a row and they realized that if someone else cancelled on Wisconsin, the conference's best of the West wouldn't be eligible for the CCG.
Of course we hadn't realized that Northwestern is the best of the West yet.
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George Karlaftis positive for COVID. Ugh.
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I think they made that announcement before the OSU/MD cancellation. It was after Wisconsin missed two games in a row and they realized that if someone else cancelled on Wisconsin, the conference's best of the West wouldn't be eligible for the CCG.
Of course we hadn't realized that Northwestern is the best of the West yet.
I guess that was the week Ohio St said they would have liked to pick up a non-con game.
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I think they made that announcement before the OSU/MD cancellation. It was after Wisconsin missed two games in a row and they realized that if someone else cancelled on Wisconsin, the conference's best of the West wouldn't be eligible for the CCG.
Of course we hadn't realized that Northwestern is the best of the West yet.
Would have liked to see UW at full strength in that one. Mertz had nobody to deliver the ball to, and it showed. Depth at WR is not good in Madison right now. Help is coming, so that's good.
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Would have liked to see UW at full strength in that one. Mertz had nobody to deliver the ball to, and it showed. Depth at WR is not good in Madison right now. Help is coming, so that's good.
I suspect Mertz' otherworldly performance against Illinois was fool's gold. Illinois' pass defense is... not good.
Then against Michigan he returned to earth with 12/22 for 127 yards w/ 2 TD and no INT. A good performance, but it's not like he was asked to do a lot in that blowout.
Northwestern has a better defense than anyone else they'd faced, by far, and I think it showed that Wisconsin is having a down year compared to usual. They aren't rushing the ball quite the way they thought they would, and when you have to put all that pressure on Mertz, he's still a little too wet behind the ears to be ready for it.
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Not a shit show.
(https://i.imgur.com/BHsswSt.jpg)
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we have different definitions
UW-UM - one game
ASU - that's rough, but not surprising with the location of campus hotspot
Bigsby? one player - obviously he should have been more careful
USC cancels practice - as Allen Iverson said, we talkin bout practice
Purdue's one player
Tulsa-Houston? was that game ever going to be a big deal?
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For "crossover weekend" do UW-Minny and MSU-UMd
Done
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Tulsa-Houston? was that game ever going to be a big deal?
It was to them.
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yup, I'd bet both teams feel better that they started the season and tried/hoped to play the game than simply shutdown in August
a few folks were a bit too selfish and were out and about and contracted the virus and spread it to their teammates and coaches
I'd guess the players and coaches wouldn't refer to this lost game or this season as a shit show
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It was to them.
Right. That’s why they decided to attempt the season in the first place.
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I want to see Nebraska (or tOSU) try to schedule BYU at some point, if nothing else, get everybody all excited.
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Well conference realignment #$@%^ up some very long running continuous rivalries, not surprised to see CV get in on that act. I see Apple Cup'ers are trying to figure something out.
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For "crossover weekend" do UW-Minny and MSU-UMd
Done
I like it. Let the beatings continue.
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Like many, I'm glad we had a "season", and continue to have football I can watch on Saturdays. COVID has disrupted a LOT of things (duh). CFB seems to me to be managing pretty flexibly and well. Each person of course could focus on singling out the WORST happenings of each week, or we might take a broader view that it's nearly December and the whole thing has not YET collapsed.
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Right. That’s why they decided to attempt the season in the first place.
Yup. Better to have attempted a season and lost it, than to never have attempted a season at all.
I'm paraphrasing someone or another, of course.
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Yup. Better to have attempted a season and lost it, than to never have attempted a season at all.
I'm paraphrasing someone or another, of course.
well, if the season would have turned out to be a super spreader across the nation like some feared, it would have been better to not attempt it, but obviously this not not the case
at all
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Just like in our secondary schools, the vast majority of college-aged transmission is coming from the students engaging in risky behavior outside the school walls, outside the locker room, and outside the field of play.
We were never going to be able to stop them from having house parties and sharing beer bongs and drinking tequila shots out of one anothers' ass-cracks. But the sport itself was never going to be a major spreader, and even the fans in the stands don't appear to be contributing much to the spread.
Like we've been repeating for 8 months now, maskless indoor gatherings are the most risky events.
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I would guess large indoor gatherings with masks is the 2nd most risky event
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well, if the season would have turned out to be a super spreader across the nation like some feared, it would have been better to not attempt it, but obviously this not not the case
at all
Do you have evidence? Has anyone bothered to contact-trace the 18,000 fans from a football game?
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Like we've been repeating for 8 months now, maskless indoor gatherings are the most risky events.
Like what the president kept doing?
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Do you have evidence? Has anyone bothered to contact-trace the 18,000 fans from a football game?
Do you have evidence?
Contact tracing is huge right now.
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Like what the president kept doing?
Exactly. And he caught it.
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Do you have evidence?
Why the nerve of you
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Do you have evidence? Has anyone bothered to contact-trace the 18,000 fans from a football game?
I was particularly talking about the players, coaches, and staffs
The BIG didn't allow 18,000 fans
but, if a few of the 18,000 fans at an SEC game went to the Doc and tested positive, I would certainly hope they would do contact tracing and figure out if it came form attending a game.
The Doc I see would have done this
but, I'm in Big Ten country
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Nick Saban is positive and will miss the Iron Bowl. I wonder if there are players too. I would guess so.
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I would have guessed this would have been more binary, either very few teams get it, or nearly every team does, not this something near the middle.
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Do you have evidence?
Contact tracing is huge right now.
He made a claim that games aren't spreading the virus. So he'd need evidence.
You're asking me to prove something I haven't claimed.
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I was particularly talking about the players, coaches, and staffs
The BIG didn't allow 18,000 fans
Oh.
My mistake.
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some teams are much more careful than others or it's just pure luck
the two teams in the Big Ten that seemed to want a season the most, have so far been mostly lucky
obviously, that could change any minute
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Rashod Bateman re-opting out
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Sam as usual beat us to it,Oklahoma game has been cancelled according to Cleveland Radio
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He made a claim that games aren't spreading the virus. So he'd need evidence.
You're asking me to prove something I haven't claimed.
Not really. Look at the context and tone of your post. One could glean that you are implying there is evidence for football being a super spreader.
If it was, and if there was evidence, you know damn straight it would be headlines. It's not.
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Not really. Look at the context and tone of your post. One could glean that you are implying there is evidence for football being a super spreader.
If it was, and if there was evidence, you know damn straight it would be headlines. It's not.
I saw a lot of mainstream media speculation, months ago, that college football games with fans in attendance would be super spreader events. I certainly haven't seen any follow-up articles saying it ended up happening, but I might have missed it.
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The term is equivocal of course, and it seems likely SOME got infected while being at or around a game. So, if we knew that at one game, 20 people caught COVID, would we call that an SS event, or just an SS?
Maybe that happened say 10 times. Is that enough? I think we all think it is being spread mostly by other means.
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I think we all think it is being spread mostly by other means. teams
FIFY
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My fear was that, especially on college campuses in states, to put it delicately, without much political pressure to follow COVID guidelines, was that once fans were allowed in the stands they'd all migrate down to the good seats, and TPTB either couldn't or wouldn't police the matter to enforce distancing.
That so far doesn't appear to have happened, with the exception of the fans rushing the field in South Bend.
The fact that we've had a lot of games cancelled isn't all that surprising when you recognize that these players aren't in anything approaching a true "bubble" and that the organizations (players+coaches+trainers+support staff) are enormous.
About all you can say at this point is that it hasn't gone swimmingly, and that it hasn't quite been a shitshow.
Although I really wish the B1G had started earlier when the weather was better. I think everyone saw that COVID didn't disappear over the summer and assumed there's no seasonality, and I think we're seeing now that wasn't true.
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Yup. Baseball went pretty well. The NFL is going pretty well. No fans of course.
There has been some success in dealing with this.
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My fear was that, especially on college campuses in states, to put it delicately, without much political pressure to follow COVID guidelines, was that once fans were allowed in the stands they'd all migrate down to the good seats, and TPTB either couldn't or wouldn't police the matter to enforce distancing.
That so far doesn't appear to have happened, with the exception of the fans rushing the field in South Bend.
The fact that we've had a lot of games cancelled isn't all that surprising when you recognize that these players aren't in anything approaching a true "bubble" and that the organizations (players+coaches+trainers+support staff) are enormous.
About all you can say at this point is that it hasn't gone swimmingly, and that it hasn't quite been a shitshow.
Although I really wish the B1G had started earlier when the weather was better. I think everyone saw that COVID didn't disappear over the summer and assumed there's no seasonality, and I think we're seeing now that wasn't true.
Yes, the fans have done a good job. The Tampa fans on Monday...not so much. But otherwise, I've been impressed at the restraint. And the US does not vouch for Tampa.
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About all you can say at this point is that it hasn't gone swimmingly, and that it hasn't quite been a shitshow.
Ed Zachery
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(https://i.imgur.com/3nM2tLz.jpg)
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UK is down because of injuries and contact tracing.
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What's the difference between having COVID and contract tracing as it affects on-the-field outcomes?
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Nothing, it goes to why 18 players MAY be missing in the game. Miss State claimed to bring only 49 scholarship players to play UGA, but none of the missing players were missing due to COVID. We don't know how many of the 18 are missing due to COVID related incidents.
But each person obviously can characterize the season using whatever qualitative and imprecise terms they personally choose.
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Thanks.
If a player is out due to contact tracing or out because he's near-death on a ventilator - the on-field outcome is the same. If not for COVID, there'd be no one out due to contact tracing. That's all.
Sorry for my radical lack of precision I guess.
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No. 19 USC's game against Colorado (2-0) that was scheduled for Saturday has been canceled, the Pac-12 announced Thursday.
The conference said USC (3-0) did not have enough scholarship players available in a position group due to positive COVID-19 tests and contact tracing. The position group is the offensive line, a source told ESPN's Kyle Bonagura.
The game will be declared a no-contest.
Colorado will instead host San Diego State on Saturday (3 p.m. ET, Pac-12 Network) at Folsom Field.
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Thanks.
If a player is out due to contact tracing or out because he's near-death on a ventilator - the on-field outcome is the same. If not for COVID, there'd be no one out due to contact tracing. That's all.
Fortunately, I haven't heard of any players or coaches near death on a ventilator to this point
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Fortunate indeed.
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So the Pac12 will finally broadcast a game this year.
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I wonder what happens if Oregon or USC goes 5-0, winning their last couple of games in blowouts....would either get anywhere close to the playoff?
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I wonder what happens if Oregon or USC goes 5-0, winning their last couple of games in blowouts....would either get anywhere close to the playoff?
IMHO, the B12 cleared a path for them. If either USC or Oregon ends up undefeated, I think they are absolutely in the CFP. The only teams that I think would be ahead of them are other P5 undefeated teams and only three of those are possible:
- Bama
- Notre Dame
- Ohio State OR Northwestern
If Clemson wins out including avenging their loss to ND, they might be ranked ahead of an undefeated P12 Champion but that is irrelevant because it would knock out Notre Dame.
If Florida wins out and their win over Bama in the SECCG is Bama's only loss that might put a hypothetical undefeated P12 Champion in jeopardy because I'm not positive that an undefeated Pac12 Champion would finish ahead of a hypothetical 1-loss Bama but:
- I think the undefeated P5 Champ would get the nod there
- That only matters if the B1G produces an undefeated Champion
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Congratulations, LSU! The defending national champions, in the midst of a .500 season, and due to COVID rescheduling, get to close their season vs #5 Texas A&M, #1 Alabama, and #6 Florida.
Now THAT'S gonna be a shit-show!
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I would pencil in Bama/OSu/Clemson, which is not much of a leap at this point and ponder who might be #4.
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WTF is going on up there? Jeez.
Brett McMurphy on Twitter: "Minnesota announces since Nov. 19, football program has had 40 individuals (20 athletes & 20 staff members) test positive for COVID" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1332836743565938688)
(https://i.imgur.com/nayvCib.png)
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That clearly is a major outbreak, and everyone would need to be quarantined I'd guess.
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Maybe they hopped a ride on that same party barge the Vikings rented out a few years back...
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Yeah, if you only care about the CFB POs, you might as well just become a Bama fan or a Clemson fan.
Teams like MSU don't get there, and when they do they look like one of those FCS team that Bama schedules as a tune up for the Iron Bowl.
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There are programs each year that fans expect/hope will make the playoff and anything short is a failure, and of course once you make it fans expect you to win.
Fan expectations might at times be unrealistic, maybe.
Especially if you consider that usually three teams have an almost lock on the 4 spots.
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Michigan halting all in person team activities after a spike in positive tests
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Right now it looks like Minnie and M will not play again.
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Well, it seems again the season is "on the verge".
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Northwestern-Minnesota officially cancelled
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Northwestern-Minnesota officially cancelled
Thus, Northwestern has officially clinched the B1G-W spot in the CG.
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So what teams are out right now? I lost track
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No Sun Bowl. Well this year officially sucks. Switzer has nobody to give the tacos to this year.
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Well, it seems again the season is "on the verge".
Most teams finish, a handful do not (<10%) due to COVID
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No Sun Bowl. Well this year officially sucks. Switzer has nobody to give the tacos to this year.
Barry can suck down a big bowl of chili with beans!
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Most teams finish, a handful do not (<10%) due to COVID
Yeah, I agree, it could be worse.
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Barry can suck down a big bowl of chili with beans!
As if there's a problem with that,I usually use a mix of kidney/black/pintos,myself
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If MSU-OSU play Saturday, Ryan Day won't be there
https://buckeyeswire.usatoday.com/2020/12/01/ohio-state-football-ryan-day-unable-to-coach-michigan-state-coronavirusd-covid19/
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(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2016/08/05/us/05onfire1_xp/05onfire1_xp-jumbo-v2.jpg)
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Sun Bowl cancelled
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30427611/sources-sun-bowl-first-1935
That was one, with the setting, and the fact that it's been largely unchanged, that I did always enjoy watching.
It was Big Ten #5 vs. Pac Ten #3 for about a decade there (during which it was briefly the John Hancock Bowl?), and I always was hoping Michigan would play in it one of their down years, but it never happened. I think the farthest they fell was #4, which was Holiday and then Alamo
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The Holiday Bowl is always good watching. Especially if you like twelving.
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UM-Maryland cancelled
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Michigan better be ready to play Nebraska on the 19th
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UM-Maryland cancelled
I'm not seeing it on the interwebs yet but I expected it and I'll take your word for it.
If Maryland's game at Michigan is cancelled due to an outbreak in the Michigan program and Northwestern's game at Minnesota is cancelled due to an outbreak in the Minnesota program then Maryland and Northwestern should play, right?
Issues to resolve:
- They already played earlier this season, a 43-3 NU win in Evanston.
- Both are supposed to travel this weekend so neither team was planning on hosting a game this weekend and which team should host?
Solutions:
- So what. Better to have a game than not, play again.
- It makes sense for Maryland to host the rematch since Northwestern hosted the earlier game and, unlike UMD, NU hasn't missed any home games this year.
I assume the conference big-wigs are working on it now and will soon announce Northwestern at Maryland.
Television:
- UMD@M was supposed to air at 3:30 on BTN.
- I don't know the planned time/TV for the cancelled NU@MN game.
I'm assuming this rematch goes on BTN at 3:30 in place of UMD@M.
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Solutions:
- So what. Better to have a game than not, play again.
- It makes sense for Maryland to host the rematch since Northwestern hosted the earlier game and, unlike UMD, NU hasn't missed any home games this year.
Rittenberg saying he doubts it. Northwestern has finals this week, and they have nothing to gain by playing Maryland again
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Rittenberg saying he doubts it. Northwestern has finals this week, and they have nothing to gain by playing Maryland again
I think the conference made a mistake when they "permitted" teams that got cancelled on to schedule another team that had a cancellation. That should have either been "required" or handled by the conference.
The finals excuse seems weak to me. I get it, they have finals, but that was true a week ago when they were scheduled to play a road game at Minnesota this Saturday. What is the difference now?
Your second point is right on although it misses an even bigger issue for the Wildcats.
As you said, Northwestern has nothing to gain by playing Maryland again. That is pretty universally true for the team that won the first meeting. The bigger issue for Northwestern right now is that so long as they do NOT play this weekend they are guaranteed a spot in the CG. They are sitting at 5-1, first place in the B1G-W.
Wisconsin also only has one loss, but with only three games played so far and only two more possible they will not be eligible for the CG unless all hell breaks loose and the average number of games played by B1G teams is less than six (depending on how you read that provision, see discussion here (https://www.cfb51.com/big-ten/b1gcg-eligibility-threshold/)).
Iowa has two losses but one of them was to Northwestern so they can't get to the CG unless the Wildcats lose twice.
If Northwestern doesn't play this weekend then loses to Illinois next weekend they will finish 5-2 and head to the CG because nobody can beat that.
If Northwestern plays Maryland again this weekend and loses then the door is cracked open for Iowa.
The one credible argument I can see for NU not to play is that their game against Minnesota was cancelled some time ago. It is plausible that they may have taken a few days off this week figuring they had the weekend off. Meanwhile, UMD was practicing this week, figuring they had a game against Michigan. That would be unfair to Northwestern but that problem would have been averted if the conference had taken over replacement scheduling instead of "permitting" it. In that case the conference could have notified NU a few days ago that their game at MN was cancelled and that they would be notified by midnight tonight whether or not a replacement had been found. The onus would have been on NU to maintain a semi-normal practice schedule for a possible game. For that matter, the Wildcats could have been really smart (it is Northwestern we are talking about here) and started practicing specifically for Maryland because Michigan's COVID issues have been public knowledge for some time. Moreover, it isn't like NU doesn't know anything about Maryland. They already played them once.
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play the damn game
the BTN needs content
and both teams need the reps
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the Gophers announced on Thursday that two players have tested positive since last Monday, bringing the case total to 49, according to Andy Greder of the St. Paul Pioneer Press. Not great on the surface, but the hope is the rising cases have lost their momentum, and Minnesota was back to conducting light workouts on Wednesday and Thursday with those who could particpate.
Bottom line: Greder tweeted that "signs point to game on Dec. 12" against Nebraska.
On his in-season television show, Fleck said you can't know for sure when the Gophers next play again, but added, “We plan on playing against Nebraska. There will be a lot of guys out for that game, based on that 21-day window," he added. But the plan at the moment is to play.
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https://twitter.com/TexasFootball/status/1337122259874484224
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Not a loss :)
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Not a loss :)
I know. I think it's all a sneaky Tom Herman plot, since we all know a loss to Kansas woulda got him fired.
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Some chatter about bringing back WAC Football, at the FCS level.
https://twitter.com/MattBrownEP/status/1336069811437268993?s=20
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On the whole, I think the season went about as most of us expected, not a total disaster, but with problems.
UGA is going to get in ten games, it appears. Better than zero, or two.
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I wonder how many senior days aren't happening.
Central Arkansas vs Incarnate Word was cancelled. It was Incarnate Word's only scheduled game.
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On the whole, I think the season went about as most of us expected, not a total disaster, but with problems.
UGA is going to get in ten games, it appears. Better than zero, or two.
Finished out the regular season yesterday with 254 of 294 scheduled games between two P5 teams being played, that's ~86%.
That's probably a little better than I would have guessed, but of course the P10 and B1G played truncated seasons, and a lot of teams ended up playing various games at only partial strength with players sitting out under quarantine protocol.
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could have been better, could have been much worse
well over 50% of the games have been played
no real horror stories of athletes or coaches or staff really suffering with the virus
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could have been better, could have been much worse
well over 50% of the games have been played
no real horror stories of athletes or coaches or staff really suffering with the virus
And no way of knowing how badly the virus spread among the millions in attendance. Makes it easier to stomach.
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And no way of knowing how badly the virus spread among the millions in attendance. Makes it easier to stomach.
There’s also no way to know how much enjoyment, pleasure, and purpose fans, coaches, and players got out of having the season. Or, how much it helped small businesses in these college towns to stay afloat even if the crowds weren’t nearly what they usually are.
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And no way of knowing how badly the virus spread among the millions in attendance. Makes it easier to stomach.
I'm sure there's a nationwide conspiracy to suppress this information
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The attendance lobby?
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And no way of knowing how badly the virus spread among the millions shopping at Walmart and Sam's Club. Makes it easier to stomach.
no way of knowing how badly the virus spread among the millions of students and faculty in pre-schools, grade schools, JR/SR high schools, community colleges, & Universities
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I'm sure there's a nationwide conspiracy to suppress this information
No, there's no information to suppress. That's the point.
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It looked to me with some exceptions that fans were "behaving". I suspect the spread mostly was unrelated to CFB.
They don't have CFB in Europe obviously, just schools open for business.
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No, there's no information to suppress. That's the point.
I would guess with contract tracing there is some info, perhaps not nearly enough to make any leaps of faith
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Germany has shut down for two weeks. It's bad there. Having a CFB game is not really apparently causing major infections.
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was Germany allowing spectators at Fußball matches?
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Soccer in Europe during the pandemic (americanfootballinternational.com) (https://www.americanfootballinternational.com/soccer-in-europe-during-the-pandemic/)
About like what we've done here. Their outbreak is unrelated to soccer.
Or schools.
(https://i.imgur.com/DXIHzb0.jpg)
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I think Germany saw what France did and realized their half measure (in Germany) was not working. France has cut this back much more than anywhere else there.
Germany now has a hard stop over Christmas.
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Soccer in Europe during the pandemic (americanfootballinternational.com) (https://www.americanfootballinternational.com/soccer-in-europe-during-the-pandemic/)
About like what we've done here. Their outbreak is unrelated to soccer.
Or schools.
I would guess they are just as good about wearing masks as the French and the Americans.
Just a high number of folks per square mile
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They don't have CFB in Europe obviously, just schools open for business.
Novel idea