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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: 847badgerfan on September 25, 2020, 05:08:01 PM
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OK, so I'll admit that I haven't watched a minute of TV since the end of April, but we got stuff coming up to watch (CFB) and I'm in the market.
I like Samsung and will stay with that brand. I've got a 27 and a 55 currently.
I'm looking at a 75 now.
How come some of the 75's are $800 and some are over $2K? What is the difference? Would it matter for my tired old eyes?
Input would be appreciated greatly.
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The OLEDs are breathtaking, and the price is as well comparably. They are a step ahead if you can get programming to match. QLEDs are similar.
Most today are 4 K "Smart" TVs and they are pretty inexpensive at COSTCO, even the 75" class.
I have a 1K 70" that is "old" but still viable. I'm waiting for the OLEDs to come down in price.
https://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-qled-vs-lg-oled-how-the-two-best-tv-technologies-compare-in-2020/#:~:text=OLED%20is%20a%20fundamentally%20different,relies%20on%20an%20LED%20backlight. (https://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-qled-vs-lg-oled-how-the-two-best-tv-technologies-compare-in-2020/#:~:text=OLED is a fundamentally different,relies on an LED backlight.)
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OLED is part of it, but also HDR.
HDR uses 10 bits per color instead of 8 bits, which gives much more ability to encode colors and is a big difference.
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Every time I walk into Costco, I want a new TV. It's almost as if they put them all up front like that to stir those feelings.
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Does all of that "stuff" matter to a guy with tired old eyes? My 55 was like $450, but there were others at $1500 at the time. I think the picture on the 55 is perfect.
Are there any other things that the expensive ones offer that the cheaper ones don't?
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Obviously, it does depend on the quality of your feed, so IMHO, no, it's not a major major upgrade. You get used to what you see. Side by side, big difference, off on their own, probably not.
It's a bit like a sound system, you get used to what you have.
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The $800 ones, the shark looks real. The $2,000 TVs, the shark bites you and you have to go to the hospital. It's EPIC.
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I like it Badge. My 3 TV set up in the new house blows away my old house set up, the only difference is time and new models. If that's an important spend for you, do it.
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Samsung is the way to go and if your internet speed will support it get the 4k
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Thanks guys.
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yup, check with your content provider
most don't do true 4K
My IPTV lineup has 5 total 4K channels
I don't watch any of them - no sports
waste of money paying $3 grand for a 4K TV is you won't have the content for another 5 years
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4K is not that pricey. OLED is.
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yup, and I can't get all the performance out of my $1000 TV
I'd probably make sure to get 120 Hz on a new TV, but depending on content, this might not help much
https://www.the-home-cinema-guide.com/tv-refresh-rate-explained.html (https://www.the-home-cinema-guide.com/tv-refresh-rate-explained.html)
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Picked up a Samsung 70" for $238 today. Done.
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good work, you can always upgrade in the future when content becomes better
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My old eyes don't care.
Now, I want wireless surround. Need help there.
Anything battery operated for the rear speakers?
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I have a simple sound bar
it's not great, but sports don't require much
neither does Diners, Drive-ins, and Dives
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Here's an 85 with two 55 kickers.
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I just told my brother that the kickers need to be 55"
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Room isn't quite big enough for an 85. The 70 will be perfect. The 55 will go outside.
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Bear in mind that if all you're doing is watching "broadcast" TV content, the content itself is tremendously compressed and the value above 1080 HD is a lot smaller than you'd think.
Whether it's cable, satellite, IPTV, or streaming, the incentive is to reduce the bandwidth for each individual channel/stream as much as possible. So even though different sources may both be compressed with MPEG-4 (most HD), or with HEVC (most UHD), those compression algorithms can be tuned to specific bit rates. A movie coming of a DVD or Blu-Ray will be tuned to the highest possible bit rate, so it will contain much more information than that same movie being sent to you in the same resolution via your TV provider, and consequently look better.
So unless you're regularly watching movies, and by "movies" I mean very high quality physical media that is encoded at high bit rate, it's very easy to overpay for a TV. Because most of what comes to you over a wire will be heavily compressed at a much lower bit rate than the TV is capable of displaying.
Most people's eyes are pretty well maxed out at 4K as well, so I don't even know why the industry seems to be talking about 8K coming next.
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I think 8K is only germane for some monster TV, maybe the 100 inch class.
Were I buying, I'd get a smart 4K TV from Costco.
https://www.costco.com/lg-65%22-class---un7300-series---4k-uhd-led-lcd-tv.product.100662557.html (https://www.costco.com/lg-65"-class---un7300-series---4k-uhd-led-lcd-tv.product.100662557.html)
That 65" 4K is $550. The OLED is $2250 in the size.
I'd figure in 3-5 years I might upgrade to whatever, maybe, and use this one in the basement or wherever.
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I don't really watch movies (only when kinda forced to) and I'm certainly not a gamer. For football and the Food Network, we'll be fine here.
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my rule has always been, never pay more than $1,000 for a TV, the price is always coming down
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Here's an 85 with two 55 kickers.
How did MSU-Maryland make the cut?
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Here's an 85 with two 55 kickers.
Don't show my wife this, she is already complaining that our 75" is not big enough. Right now when the Patriots are on at the same time as the Browns. I get a 22" tv set beside me in the living room while she get the Patriots on the 75" tv. On second thought maybe I should show this setup to my wife.
and for the record. Ohio State football triumphs everything she might want to watch at the same time.
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Don't show my wife this, she is already complaining that our 75" is not big enough.
Anytime your wife is complaining about size, showing her some other guy's probably won't help
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and for the record. Ohio State football triumphs everything she might want to watch at the same time.
right
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I've been trotting out 3 or more TVs on Saturdays since the early 90s, amazing how much simpler it became once, 1. Technology improved, 2. I had income and 3. Ability to hire low voltage firms to install and make it look good. I run all of this through Savant system. Don't even have a remote control anymore. Control all of this on a smart phone or tablet.
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I'm guessing msu maryland was on that right tv which tends to be a 3rd option and likely flipping to a 4th game. Obviously Iron Bowl had the main focus and sound at the time.
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We bought a Samsung QLED 65 inch a couple of years ago and I noticed a huge difference, even with satellite Tv. Even the non-HD channels stood out. And then we went camping at a park that did not offer any internet or cable hook ups, so I bought a directional TV antenna. When I found the station carrying the game, I could not believe how great the picture was. It blew away the satellite feed and was almost like being at the game. As bwarbiany explained, the over that air broadcast is not compressed like the satellite feed is. It made a huge difference.
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As bwarbiany explained, the over that air broadcast is not compressed like the satellite feed is. It made a huge difference.
FYI, the OTA is usually not compressed AS BADLY as the satellite feed is. All signals are compressed using industry-standard algorithms, but not all compression is equal in the way it's implemented.
If you've ever ripped DVDs to video files (or even just CD to MP3), you'll know that every compression program will have settings that is always a balance of video/audio quality vs file size.
Satellite and cable are trying to fit as many channels as possible into a single limited-bandwidth cord, so the tighter they squeeze the quality settings, the more content they can provide. IPTV and streaming providers are only giving you one "channel" at a time, but they also know that internet bandwidth isn't free or unlimited, so they have incentive to squeeze it as much as possible as well.
OTA broadcast has a band of spectrum allocated. If they use 100% of their allocation, it doesn't hurt them or cost them extra. So they have more incentive to optimize for picture quality in their compression.
For most things I'm watching, I just let Hulu stream it to me even if it's on a channel I can pick up OTA, because honestly it's just easier. But for sports, if it's OTA I default to the antenna. The picture quality difference is immediately noticeable.
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I have an antenna, but I wouldn't even know where to point it down here.
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I put one on the wife's small TV in her office, it's omnidirectional and works inside quite well, but of course we're near transmitters here.
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How do you find where transmitters are located?
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Here it doesn't matter of course. If you live out of town, the transmitters would be nearer whatever larger town is nearby, and you can find them on the Internet.
https://www.antennasdirect.com/transmitter-locator.html (https://www.antennasdirect.com/transmitter-locator.html)
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Thanks. Should be able to pull here, with most stuff between 10-14 miles away.
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You likely can use an indoor simple antenna. With HD they work pretty well I find, none of what we used to do.
For sports, I'd rather have a decent 65" and a second 55" rather than one larger TV costing the same, if I had wall space.
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I'll have the big one on the wall, which I can see from my kitchen, and there will be a smaller one actually in the kitchen that I can also watch, for secondary games. One outside too, and one in my office.
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I am tempted to get a small TV near my larger one for games and use the antenna. I could move the one up from the wife's office of course.
Generally I just channel surf.
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I'll have the big one on the wall, which I can see from my kitchen, and there will be a smaller one actually in the kitchen that I can also watch, for secondary games. One outside too, and one in my office.
I just counted our TVs in my head, it's kind of ridiculous. Growing up we had two TVs, one in the living room, and one in my parents' master bedroom.
Now, I have 7 (not counting the 2 in the RV).
1 x Master bedroom
1 x Master bathroom
1 x Living room
1 x Kids' game room
2 x Adult game room/sports bar (that's where we have our pool table, and 2 TVs for game-watching)
1 x outdoor patio, visible from the pool and hot tub
To answer badge's original question, most of them are Samsung since I, too, like and trust the brand. The newer ones are all 4K, but none are OLED/QLED, which looks amazing and will likely be my next one for the living room, which is our main family movie/game-watching area, when we're not upstairs in the billiards room/sports bar.
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We "only" have three, now. One was left by the preceding residents, a 4K 55" unit that is in the master. I replaced it with my 65" 1K TV in the living room, and the wife has her small one. The picture quality of the 4K is no better than the 1K unless I chance upon some upgraded content somewhere. The 65" looks better on that wall, which could manage an 80".
I also am waiting for OLED down the road a few years.
The one upgrade I did that surprised me at the difference was changing my stereo receiver from a 15 year old Onkyo to a new Yamaha, it really made a difference in the sound quality that surprised me, same speaker set up. I bought it "reconditioned", which came looking brand new in all respects.
https://www.worldwidestereo.com/blogs/wws-underground/entries/best-home-theater-receivers#seven (https://www.worldwidestereo.com/blogs/wws-underground/entries/best-home-theater-receivers#seven)
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No TV's in bedrooms, ever. Bedrooms are for sleeping and other things.
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TVs in the bedroom can be useful for those other things, badge. :) To each his own.
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Our master is quite large, so there is this small sofa in it where the wife watches TV, plus a piano, and king sized bed.
The unit apparently once had two rooms up there, one I guess was a sitting room or office that overlooked the middle floor and is open. The unit across the hall is like this. Somebody did a good job making one large room out of two and enclosing the opening with glass.
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I just counted our TVs in my head, it's kind of ridiculous. Growing up we had two TVs, one in the living room, and one in my parents' master bedroom.
Now, I have 7 (not counting the 2 in the RV).
hopefully you aren't subscribed to an IPTV system that requires a set top at each location and are billed for each
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No TV's in bedrooms, ever. Bedrooms are for sleeping and other things.
Ed Zachery
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hopefully you aren't subscribed to an IPTV system that requires a set top at each location and are billed for each
Nah, only one settop box for the DVR functionality. The rest are all Smart TVs and/or Roku.
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so, you have a quality internet connection...
fiber?
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I just counted our TVs in my head, it's kind of ridiculous. Growing up we had two TVs, one in the living room, and one in my parents' master bedroom.
Now, I have 7 (not counting the 2 in the RV).
1 x Master bedroom
1 x Master bathroom
1 x Living room
1 x Kids' game room
2 x Adult game room/sports bar (that's where we have our pool table, and 2 TVs for game-watching)
1 x outdoor patio, visible from the pool and hot tub
To answer badge's original question, most of them are Samsung since I, too, like and trust the brand. The newer ones are all 4K, but none are OLED/QLED, which looks amazing and will likely be my next one for the living room, which is our main family movie/game-watching area, when we're not upstairs in the billiards room/sports bar.
Growing up it was just the large piece of furniture TV with a radio and record player on each side. It was about 6 feet long.
Currently it is 1 in the living room, 1 in master bedroom, 1 in guest room, 1 in the office and 1 on the patio. Had 2 others but gave them to a couple of my kids.
1 is a 80" 2 are 55" and 1 is just a small 22" The 80" is getting old and probably should be replaced, a number of the app providers do not support it any more.
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We have pretty decent Internet now, 113 mega somethings.
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Only 2 TV's here. One in the living room, one in the bedroom. But that's what you get when you only have 1200 sf to work with.
I'd certainly consider tossing one out in the garage for brewing but it's pretty packed out there too.
I wish I had an open floorplan where I could see the living room TV from the kitchen, since we spend so much time in the kitchen. But I don't care enough to try to put a TV in the kitchen.
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1 is a 80" 2 are 55" and 1 is just a small 22" The 80" is getting old and probably should be replaced, a number of the app providers do not support it any more.
Just buy a Roku to hook up to it. Then the Roku has all the apps.
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Only 2 TV's here. One in the living room, one in the bedroom. But that's what you get when you only have 1200 sf to work with.
I'd certainly consider tossing one out in the garage for brewing but it's pretty packed out there too.
I wish I had an open floorplan where I could see the living room TV from the kitchen, since we spend so much time in the kitchen. But I don't care enough to try to put a TV in the kitchen.
my daughter has a TV downstairs in her room. My old 50" plasma
otherwise just my 65" in my living room. 1100 sf here on both levels. Living room isn't huge. About enough for myself and 3 others watching a game comfortably. Yes, I've packed in 8-10 on occasion, but it's not ideal.
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Just buy a Roku to hook up to it. Then the Roku has all the apps.
Roku is the way to go. It's what my daughter uses. Got good advice from the tech geeks here.
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No TV's in bedrooms, ever. Bedrooms are for sleeping and other things.
Must be other things as I usually nod off in front of the Tube
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No TV's in bedrooms, ever. Bedrooms are for sleeping and other things.
High-five, congrats on the ... you know what, never mind.
(I had a friend in HS who had a room with a massive walk-in closet and took this to the extreme. He just moved the bed in there, so he had a room just for sleep. As far as I know, he was not sneaking in help for other things)
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Must be other things as I usually nod off in front of the Tube
I very rarely fall asleep in my recliner at night. (maybe a short nap in the afternoon)
If I feel myself nodding off, I get out of the chair, turn off the TV, and go to bed.
feel much better the next morning
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TV got delivered a little while ago. I think I'll set it up later, and maybe watch something for the first time since April.
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TV got delivered a little while ago. I think I'll set it up later, and maybe watch something for the first time since April.
I highly recommend MASH. And Hogan's Heroes.
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Honeymooners.
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two of my favs
don't watch them any longer, but I did when I was young
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I'd put this on the "What are you watching" thread, or whatever it's called, but I can't find it.
Just finished watching "The Queen's Gambit" on Netflix and I highly recommend it. I'm not a big chess player, but they integrated the game into the story so well, I almost want to re-learn the game and play it.
And the music and fashion, all from late 50s thru late 60s, are pretty awesome.
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I restarted playing on a computer after watching it. I'm really bad now. I thought it was fairly fun, better than most.
I saw an 80 inch at Costco 8K, not OLED of course, $1300. I was tempted. The wife sighed. It was truly amazing, and not one of the top kinds (good brand though).
She said it was too big.
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I think I've decided my next one will be OLED so I'm just going to wait until the prices are a little more bearable.