Amazing MSU managed to field a top 10 national defense with nothing more than a pair of 3rd teamers, lol.I thought Bachie probably should've been 1st or 2nd team- but not sure you can really argue with the guys they picked for the 1st team.
Helmets gonna helmet
Amazing MSU managed to field a top 10 national defense with nothing more than a pair of 3rd teamers, lol.Interesting. The media, who you'd imagine would be more swayed by helmet, were kinder to MSU than the coaches. I wonder if there's an age bias as MSU seems kinda young.
Helmets gonna helmet
Well, media versus grad assistantsgrad assistants > media.
Anyone know when the PFF all conference teams come out?no idea, but I'll be on the look out for them. My guess is they'll probably come out on 247/CBS. I think PFF signed a deal with them.
no idea, but I'll be on the look out for them. My guess is they'll probably come out on 247/CBS. I think PFF signed a deal with them.Yeah, I don't love their national ratings, and their QB ratings frequently seem janky, but overall I think they are worth a read
Bet it'll look a lot different than the coaches and media 1st team.
Ummmm. OK. While I can rail against the lack of Purdue guys for a top 4 scoring defense in the Big Ten, I get it, nobody cares about Purdue.Well, both Bentley and Ezechukwu received honorable mention in both coaches and media.
.....but the one guy who does get accolades is Gelen Robinson? Don't get me wrong, I like the guy, but Ja’Whaun Bentley or Danny Ezechukwu would deserve a third team vote over Robinson any day of the week.
Well, both Bentley and Ezechukwu received honorable mention in both coaches and media.Seems like a bad year for the "this defense was good, why aren't they represented"
And don't forget Bailey. Was up there conference ranks in sacks (T-4th all positions, 2nd for LB), tackles (5th in conference in solo tackles all positions, 19th in total tackles including assisted), and TFL (T-18th all positions, T-10th for LB).
Purdue probably had their best LB corps I've ever seen since I started following the team in 1997. So yeah, I would have liked to see one of them get some recognition.
Offensive teams named.Clayton Thorson?
http://btn.com/2017/11/29/view-the-2017-all-big-ten-football-offensive-teams/ (http://btn.com/2017/11/29/view-the-2017-all-big-ten-football-offensive-teams/)
Clayton Thorson?Personally I'd go Lee, but I guess they are holding his September non-conference interception fest against him. For the full season he was 3rd in yardage, 6th in Passer Rating; Thorson was 3rd and 10th? But in Big Ten play only Lee was 2nd in yardage, 4th in in Efficiency. Thorson was 5th and 9th. Lewerke was 6th and 8th. Hornibrook was 9th and 3rd. Oddly, Lagow was 4th and 5th.
The hell?
Seems like a bad year for the "this defense was good, why aren't they represented"Yeah, I was looking at the stats. Purdue was 4th in conference in scoring defense, but was pretty poorly represented in almost every other statistical category. So while I think the defense was a bright spot and a lot of the reason we got to 6-6, I don't think the defense was anywhere near as objectively good as our "eye test" as fans seemed to think. We managed to keep teams from scoring as many TDs as one might expect when they got into our end of the field or the red zone, but we let them drive into our end of the field / red zone a lot.
Per S&P, Purdue and IU had top-30 defenses. But they're 7th and 8th in the conference. In a more traditional measure, yards per play, MSU is sixth in the league and Purdue is ninth. (They're 22 and 39 nationally)
Personally I'd go Lee, but I guess they are holding his September non-conference interception fest against him. For the full season he was 3rd in yardage, 6th in Passer Rating; Thorson was 3rd and 10th? But in Big Ten play only Lee was 2nd in yardage, 4th in in Efficiency. Thorson was 5th and 9th. Lewerke was 6th and 8th. Hornibrook was 9th and 3rd. Oddly, Lagow was 4th and 5th.Curious where you got your list of QB ratings. According to ESPN
In terms of Total QBR...
1. Barrett
2. McSorley
3. Lewerke
4. Hornibrook
5. Thorson
6. Lee
To me, it's pretty clear it's Barrett #1 and McSorley #2. Then depending on what you value, it's kind of easy to vote for or against either Lewerke, Hornibrook, Lee or Thorson. My vote would have been Lee, but he wasn't even HM by either coaches or media?
| QUARTERBACK RATING | RAT |
| 1. J.T. Barrett (http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/545624/j.t.-barrett), OSU | 165.0 |
| 2. Alex Hornibrook (http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/3886609/alex-hornibrook), WIS | 155.9 |
| 3. Trace McSorley (http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/3116172/trace-mcsorley), PSU | 153.6 |
| 4. Nathan Stanley (http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4036149/nathan-stanley), IOWA | 135.4 |
| 5. Tanner Lee (http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/545757/tanner-lee), NEB | 129.4 |
Curious where you got your list of QB ratings. According to ESPNWell, the list I gave I said was Total QBR, not Passer (it's not QB) Ratings.
QUARTERBACK RATING RAT 1. J.T. Barrett (http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/545624/j.t.-barrett), OSU 165.0 2. Alex Hornibrook (http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/3886609/alex-hornibrook), WIS 155.9 3. Trace McSorley (http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/3116172/trace-mcsorley), PSU 153.6 4. Nathan Stanley (http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4036149/nathan-stanley), IOWA 135.4 5. Tanner Lee (http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/545757/tanner-lee), NEB 129.4
Coaches’ all-conference TEsOpportunities?
1st, Fumagalli: 38 receptions, 471 receiving yards, four touchdowns
2nd, Gesicki: 51 receptions, 501 receiving yards, nine touchdowns
3rd, Fant: 28 receptions, 486 receiving yards, 10 touchdowns
How is Gesicki behind Fumagalli at all? You could even make a case for Fant over him with similar yards and 2.5x as many TDs, but he probably gets knocked for fewer total receptions. Gesicki has better numbers than Fumagalli across the board.
Opportunities?You did find a reason... although I doubt they looked that deep into it. Just so happened to pan out.
PSU throws 34.8 times a game. Wisconsin 20.8. So PSU should have better numbers across the board.
Fum is a bigger part of UW's offense, his catch rate is a bit worse and he's more efficient. Thrown in the fact UW's third down passing offense is mostly "throw to 81" and UW has the second-best 3rd down offense in the county, you have the reason.
Can't find much room for gripe. Bachie must have been a roller coaster, because he was on their weekly list a bunch, but the weeks he wasn't, must have been way down.they break down all the tape and ding players for blown assignments/missed tackles- that sort of thing. Iowa fans were throwing insults on twitter to PFF for not having Josey Jewell on the 1st team and they responded with this on their twitters;
I don't recall noticing Richardson that much this year, but aside from that, not much wrong.
I think Bosa made more splash plays, but on a down to down basis, Hurst looked substantially better to me. This reflects that.
Getting a lot of (expected) push back aboutyeah, so they look at every thing when they grade a player.#Hawkeyes (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Hawkeyes?src=hash) LB Josey Jewell not making our All-Conference team, and I think his omission warrants further explanation...
As far as pure overall grade goes, his 85.7, while "elite" by our standards, ranks 9th in a stacked#B1G (https://twitter.com/hashtag/B1G?src=hash). He'd be 1st team in both SEC and PAC-12 by comparison.
Yesterday I mentioned his 16 missed tackles (most in the#B1G (https://twitter.com/hashtag/B1G?src=hash)) hurt his grade, and some argued he was in position for more plays and that's why he had so many...
This is true to an extent, but among#B1G (https://twitter.com/hashtag/B1G?src=hash) LBs he ranked 38th in tackling efficiency, which takes into account misses per attempt. By comparison,#Boilermakers (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Boilermakers?src=hash) LB Ja'Whuan Bentley had more total tackles than Jewell and half the MTs. Devin Bush missed just 3 total.
Jewell also finished 8th among#B1G (https://twitter.com/hashtag/B1G?src=hash) LBs in run stop percentage, 28th in pass rush productivity and 36th in coverage snaps per reception allowed. He was targeted 50 times in coverage and gave up 40 receptions.
That's the point we were making about the Purdue LB corps, BTW... Ja'Whaun Bentley has been a beast for the Boilers for 4 years (minus a portion where he was out injured in 2016). For as bad as Hazell was, somehow he managed to recruit linebackers that actually look and play like linebackers should in this conference.PFF had Bentley graded out as one of the best LB's in the entire country.
Of course PFF uses their own brand of advanced stats, but Bentley is 1st-team All-American *nationally* in their system and he never saw more than an honorable mention from the All-B1G either media or coaches.