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Title: FCS Teams no longer prohibited
Post by: Hawkinole on July 26, 2017, 12:37:59 AM
Delaney said FCS teams no longer are prohibited from Big Ten Scheduling in years that the Big Ten team has 4-home conference games.

Iowa can schedule UNI again! (Or NDSU, again - ugh!)
Title: Re: FCS Teams no longer prohibited
Post by: ELA on July 26, 2017, 07:36:36 AM
Well that was short lived
Title: Re: FCS Teams no longer prohibited
Post by: Cincydawg on July 26, 2017, 07:44:26 AM
Some FCS teams obviously are as good as some FBS teams, and in any event, a very good FBS team should demolish either.
Title: Re: FCS Teams no longer prohibited
Post by: fezzador on July 26, 2017, 08:31:34 AM
I heard this too.  I honestly don't have a huge problem with this because it's bi-yearly at best.  I just hope that B1G teams are smart enough to schedule bad FCS teams rather than powehouses.  Teams like JMU, NDSU, Jacksonville State, etc. are good enough to embarrass anyone in the country on the right day.
Title: Re: FCS Teams no longer prohibited
Post by: ELA on July 26, 2017, 09:39:34 AM
MSU smoked Jacksonville State back in 2014, but what I do remember is their entire starting DL was SEC transfers, so it was very odd that from a size perspective, the trenches didn't look like a mismatch at all.

MSU didn't run the ball well on them at all, but they fared even worse against MSU's defense, and MSU rolled to a 38-0 halftime lead, benched the starters and won 45-7.

But it was how big their linemen were for an FCS team that struck me.
Title: Re: FCS Teams no longer prohibited
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on July 26, 2017, 10:29:22 AM
Northern Iowa should have been awarded the CyHawk trophy the season that they beat Iowa st the week before Iowa St beat Iowa.
Title: Re: FCS Teams no longer prohibited
Post by: TyphonInc on July 26, 2017, 11:31:10 AM
Why does it have to be an FCS? Why can't it be a MAC school?
Title: Re: FCS Teams no longer prohibited
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 26, 2017, 11:43:02 AM
Why does it have to be an FCS? Why can't it be a MAC school?

MAC schools were/are demanding a ransom for a one-off game these days. I'm thinking this is designed to lower their demands because you can get an FCS school pretty reasonably.

It's just business.
Title: Re: FCS Teams no longer prohibited
Post by: fezzador on July 26, 2017, 11:46:46 AM
MSU smoked Jacksonville State back in 2014, but what I do remember is their entire starting DL was SEC transfers, so it was very odd that from a size perspective, the trenches didn't look like a mismatch at all.

MSU didn't run the ball well on them at all, but they fared even worse against MSU's defense, and MSU rolled to a 38-0 halftime lead, benched the starters and won 45-7.

But it was how big their linemen were for an FCS team that struck me.

Jacksonville State had Auburn on the ropes for most of the game in 2015, before they somehow came back and forced OT.

Granted, Auburn was not particularly good that year, but it still had more talent on that roster than all but maybe 10 or 15 teams in the country.

That said, JSU got absolutely smoked by NDSU in the FCS championship game.  NDSU almost certainly would have beaten Auburn that year.
Title: Re: FCS Teams no longer prohibited
Post by: Cincydawg on July 26, 2017, 12:07:37 PM
Georgia was fortunate to beat Nichols State last season.  When your team doesn't demolish such an opponent, it's a sign.
Title: Re: FCS Teams no longer prohibited
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 26, 2017, 12:41:58 PM
MAC schools were/are demanding a ransom for a one-off game these days. I'm thinking this is designed to lower their demands because you can get an FCS school pretty reasonably.

It's just business.

Didn't the B1G have some sort of a 2-for-1 Home-Home-Away deal going with the MAC? The MAC teams didn't want to sign up for mere payday games, wanting to host a B1G team occasionaly, and the B1G wasn't willing to do 1-for-1...

Or am I mis-remembering this?
Title: Re: FCS Teams no longer prohibited
Post by: ELA on July 26, 2017, 12:54:59 PM
Georgia was fortunate to beat Nichols State last season.  When your team doesn't demolish such an opponent, it's a sign.
See MSU 2016 vs. Furman.  Beating ND the following week made it seem like an aberration, when in fact the ND win was.
Title: Re: FCS Teams no longer prohibited
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 26, 2017, 01:18:20 PM
Didn't the B1G have some sort of a 2-for-1 Home-Home-Away deal going with the MAC? The MAC teams didn't want to sign up for mere payday games, wanting to host a B1G team occasionaly, and the B1G wasn't willing to do 1-for-1...

Or am I mis-remembering this?

It varied by school. NIU (when they were good) would come to your place but wanted a return at a neutral Soldier Field. Iowa and UW did that, and maybe others. I don't recall.
Title: Re: FCS Teams no longer prohibited
Post by: ELA on July 26, 2017, 01:39:43 PM
It varied by school. NIU (when they were good) would come to your place but wanted a return at a neutral Soldier Field. Iowa and UW did that, and maybe others. I don't recall.
MSU signed 3 for 1s with all 3 directional Michigan schools.  They were structured as 2 buy games, then a home and home.  So both teams just got their home gate for the home games.  EMU backed out because they'd make more getting paid to go play at Missouri than they would on a home sellout against MSU.

I'm just glad the WMU game wasn't last year.
Title: Re: FCS Teams no longer prohibited
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 26, 2017, 01:45:22 PM
What I see happening is that if/when B1G schools started adding FCS games, the MAC schools will tone down the demand for a return game and just take the guarantee. They will probably come begging for it, to be honest. They've priced themselves out.
Title: Re: FCS Teams no longer prohibited
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 26, 2017, 02:39:41 PM
What I see happening is that if/when B1G schools started adding FCS games, the MAC schools will tone down the demand for a return game and just take the guarantee. They will probably come begging for it, to be honest. They've priced themselves out.

I hope that's the case. While I know the paycheck games are good for the FCS, and I understand why the B1G made the change the way they did (teams want 7 home games every year), I don't like playing FCS teams. Even if they're the only teams Purdue can reliably beat any more, I still think they devalue our schedules in general.
Title: Re: FCS Teams no longer prohibited
Post by: ELA on July 26, 2017, 02:41:25 PM
I hope that's the case. While I know the paycheck games are good for the FCS, and I understand why the B1G made the change the way they did (teams want 7 home games every year), I don't like playing FCS teams. Even if they're the only teams Purdue can reliably beat any more, I still think they devalue our schedules in general.
It's amazing how quickly it devolved.  I remember UM being mocked for playing EMU, and that was just like 2000ish.  The floor went from something above MAC to MAC to FCS in like 5 years.
Title: Re: FCS Teams no longer prohibited
Post by: Hawkinole on July 26, 2017, 03:23:01 PM
The reason given by Delaney for this change in policy is that it became difficult to find a team to schedule.

He didn't say it was because MAC schools were holding the Big Ten for ransom, but the FCS schools have always done so.

I think it is good for the State of Iowa that UNI play Iowa once every 4-years. It keeps the money in-state. And it is quite often a competitive game. UNI is no slouch. Ask Wisconsin.
Title: Re: FCS Teams no longer prohibited
Post by: MichiFan87 on July 26, 2017, 03:45:42 PM
Fortunately, this is irrelevant for Michigan (save your App State jokes), which has had recent and/or up-coming guarantee games against Colorado, BYU, Oregon State, UCF, Cincinnati, Hawaii, Air Force, Army, SMU, San Diego State, and UNLV, in addition to a few MAC/CUSA teams, and I expect that to continue.

Obviously, most schools don't have what I call scheduling leverage, but Ohio State and a few other power programs, have scheduled similarly, to their credit.
Title: Re: FCS Teams no longer prohibited
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on July 26, 2017, 10:17:26 PM

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Title: Re: FCS Teams no longer prohibited
Post by: GopherRock on July 26, 2017, 11:22:12 PM
Boo this move. 1-AA tomato cans need to stay where they belong, down in 1-AA.
Title: Re: FCS Teams no longer prohibited
Post by: ELA on July 26, 2017, 11:28:05 PM
If you made me Big Ten czar, I'd go to a 10 game conference schedule, and allow every team to play one Group of 5 game and one P5 game, no FCS.

Also no Friday games, but that's a different issue.
Title: Re: FCS Teams no longer prohibited
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 27, 2017, 07:37:01 AM
If I were the NCAA Czar, I'd have 6 conferences with 11 schools, and every conference would play 10 games. There would be 3 OOC games - 2 of which would be against P6 schools and one at the pleasure of each school.