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The Power Five => SEC => Topic started by: OrangeAfroMan on November 26, 2017, 10:48:51 PM
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1. Make a list of realistic, quality candidates
2. Make contacts with people around those on your list
3. If there is interest, as there should be (because they're on your list), you meet with them.
4. Hold off on offering, unless the top candidate is ready to sign.
5. Do not obsess on one candidate, realize there are numerous quality candidates.
6. While waiting for one to decide, meet with others.
7. Sign one of your top candidates.
8. Read news reports of how your new coach 'makes sense', 'is a good hire', and 'has the fanbase behind it'.
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yup... fairly simple process...
congrats on Mullen... i really figured he'd go to college station. not busting on UF, but thinking College Station a better fit for him. I jested about Leech at UF for fun- but he is the 'style' i figured UF was after.
smart to keep it in family, too... damn near perfect.... UF won again.
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1. Make a list of realistic, quality candidates
2. Make contacts with people around those on your list
3. If there is interest, as there should be (because they're on your list), you meet with them.
4. Hold off on offering, unless the top candidate is ready to sign.
5. Do not obsess on one candidate, realize there are numerous quality candidates.
6. While waiting for one to decide, meet with others.
7. Sign one of your top candidates.
8. Read news reports of how your new coach 'makes sense', 'is a good hire', and 'has the fanbase behind it'.
I'd add to your list...
9. Don't overpay
10. Don't guarantee the contract / include a reasonable buy-out for both parties.
That last item is one that A&M struggles with.
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Shiner,
Some LSU guys are claiming Fisher to tamu is a done deal. True or full of crap?
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Shiner,
Some LSU guys are claiming Fisher to tamu is a done deal. True or full of crap?
From what I can tell.... it's more likely true than not. He's been the target of A&M since September. We haven't heard any other names mentioned.... neither side is talking right now and Fisher hasn't denied anything. It looks like this makeup game for FSU with ULM is what has thrown a wrench in this otherwise he might've been introduced as HC as soon as today.
Rumors are he'll be named HC sometime next weekend after their final game.
All that said... I'll believe it when I see it. Lot of time between now and Saturday for him to change his mind.
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Okay, for those keeping score at home.....
1. Gruden.....HAHAHAHAHAHA no
2. Kelly....nope
3. Patterson? no
4. Peterson? no
5. Mullen no
6. Schiano....yeah no
7. Cutcliffe no
8. Jason Witten (WTF?) no
9. He's a man, he's 40! Gundy no
10. Brohm no
11. Kiffin (see tweets) hell no
12. Jim Bob Cooter (bad name, good coach) no
13. NC State guy....we'll see
14. Hawai'i Defensive Coordinator....maybe
15. Peyton Manning's forehead....fingers crossed
16. my left testicle.....
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I'd start with whatever the Vols have done, and do whatever is the opposite of that.
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Okay, for those keeping score at home.....
1. Gruden.....HAHAHAHAHAHA no
2. Kelly....nope
3. Patterson? no
4. Peterson? no
5. Mullen no
6. Schiano....yeah no
7. Cutcliffe no
8. Jason Witten (WTF?) no
9. He's a man, he's 40! Gundy no
10. Brohm no
11. Kiffin (see tweets) hell no
12. Jim Bob Cooter (bad name, good coach) no
13. NC State guy....we'll see
14. Hawai'i Defensive Coordinator....maybe
15. Peyton Manning's forehead....fingers crossed
16. my left testicle.....
add mike leach to the list
and now the ad currie has been fired.
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also, from bruce feldman:
Industry source: “Throughout this entire (#Tennessee (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Tennessee?src=hash)) coaching search Phil Fulmer has tried to undermine AD John Currie in hopes of becoming the AD there.”
why is this not surprising? and, sorry drew, but if this is remotely true, i know the man loves tenn, but that man is a cancer and needs to be disassociated asap.
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also, from bruce feldman:
Industry source: “Throughout this entire (#Tennessee (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Tennessee?src=hash)) coaching search Phil Fulmer has tried to undermine AD John Currie in hopes of becoming the AD there.”
why is this not surprising? and, sorry drew, but if this is remotely true, i know the man loves tenn, but that man is a cancer and needs to be disassociated asap.
when i say this is a soap opera, i ain't kiddin.
and it draws you in like a movie script- character's are developed, plots presented.. it's- hilarious without that intent.
so...
Davenport hired Currie who was her friend and friend of booster Jimmy Haslam... she took the role over who was the heir apparent Blackburn, who had every intention to hire Fulmer as AD. Fulmer's like a tick- he's embedded.
Haslam runs the show- Davenport and Currie are on his leash. So is Phil.
there has been an active attempt to see Currie fail since this all started, and in effort to project Blackburn and Fulmer, which almost every heavyweight booster other than haslam has wanted since davenport being appointed- knowing that davenport was controlled by haslam and the next HC would be their choice alone. butch jones had no enemies, but he had no friends, either. what he offered in his floundering (which he had been given a number of wins else be fired) was opportunity for blackburn and fulmer (not exactly them, but the people behind them) satisfied by having 'their dog' running the show instead of haslam's.
funny: fulmer is a haslam man, too.
supposedly, fulmer (part of the three headed 'committee' formed by currie and including haslam) has a man prepped for announcement that will make him seem like the hero of this tale- that the other boosters and blackburn have been prepping since it was found haslam couldn't shove Schiano down the throats of everything UT... and it appears that davenport, in effort to save herself (politician always) has left currie out in the breeze- basically shooting down every potential hire he's brought back to her for her approval.
game of thrones or some such crap is happening here.... if you are to subscribe... and, i do to a degree believe there is a inner-office struggle taking place without doubt. the details i don't know, but... all the way back to davenport and currie's hiring, there has been tremendous unrest at UT.
Fulmer is a tool in all of this. he's a good man, but he is certainly going to be the 'hero'. if the name i've heard him having is true, it is a suitable coach.
this ain't over with, though.. the coach will be hired likely by tomorrow (or Sunday morning), but the struggles and fallout on that hill are far from over. I'm thinking the next target is davenport... i also wonder how they'll handle the haslam fallout, as he had promised pony'ing up for a great portion of the renovations coming to Neyland... that throne he purchased and it buried him in the halls of UT for as long as he wants- and he is opposed to blackburn... supposedly...
heheheeheheheeeeeeee!!!!! this is a hot mess like NOTHING i've seen before in college football. HBO? yes... football? nope.
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And the beat goes on.....
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also, from bruce feldman:
Industry source: “Throughout this entire (#Tennessee (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Tennessee?src=hash)) coaching search Phil Fulmer has tried to undermine AD John Currie in hopes of becoming the AD there.”
why is this not surprising? and, sorry drew, but if this is remotely true, i know the man loves tenn, but that man is a cancer and needs to be disassociated asap.
If Fat Phil tanked Schiano and Brohm because he's genuinely convinced that's a disaster for the program....well, okay....that wasn't his place, but at least I sort of see where he's coming from. If he did it just to ensure Currie's ouster setting him up to be the AD, then I UT should include him in the package being kicked to the curb.
Also--just my $0.02--Jimmy Haslam is the Browns guy, right? Given the state of the Browns, I wouldn't let that guy have jack squat to do with decision making.
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the accusation is misplaced in @rolltidefan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=12) 's post, is my point. Phil is gonna be the guy to benefit (apparently) but it isn't his doing.. it's the doing of the movers and shakers behind him- who feel they can use him to execute whatever it is they require, without having the obstacle of Currie, Davenport, and Haslam cutting them off at the knees (and, presumably, making gain off of whatever it is the group behind Fulmer seek to make gain from).
haslam isn't going anywhere. he sit's atop the flying J/pilot chain, owns the brown's, and has a brother as a governor of tennessee... he's as embedded as Phil is.
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Looks to be official now... Jimbo Fisher leaving FSU for A&M. Won't coach FSU's last regular season game tomorrow. Pressers coming soon.
This situation feels like the exact opposite of the Tennessee debacle. Whereas they have shit the bed at every turn during their coaching search.... A&M handled this situation to near perfection.
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So now the AD is toast....which will delay the coaching search further, no?
This is absolutely the #1 worst screw up I can recall from a major college program's coaching search. #1. By far. And it keeps getting worse! Against all odds!
George O'Leary is off the hook! Hey, wait....is he available? :57:
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the accusation is misplaced in @rolltidefan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=12) 's post, is my point. Phil is gonna be the guy to benefit (apparently) but it isn't his doing.. it's the doing of the movers and shakers behind him- who feel they can use him to execute whatever it is they require, without having the obstacle of Currie, Davenport, and Haslam cutting them off at the knees (and, presumably, making gain off of whatever it is the group behind Fulmer seek to make gain from).
haslam isn't going anywhere. he sit's atop the flying J/pilot chain, owns the brown's, and has a brother as a governor of tennessee... he's as embedded as Phil is.
if fulmer is allowing himself to be used for that purpose (intentionally or not) then he's part of the problem.
haslam, if he's pulling most of the strings behind scenes, and appears so, is public enemy #1 imo. but fulmer is also culpable.
this seems so much like the 00 bama fiasco imo. power brokers not willing to let people hired to do their work.
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This is the exact thing Bama went through with Bryant Jr.. Everybody laughs at Bama during those years. We get that embarrassment now. But if we can rid our version of Bryant Jr. then nobody will remember this years down the road. But if the bad guy wins well UT will continue to suffer.
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fwiw, bryant jr is still very much involved and he wasn't the main one making a problem before (was all of them really) but they've all stepped aside and let things be run by the people hired to run them. at least while saban is here. hopefully they've all learned not to meddle to much. i have my doubts.
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Yeah. But he had his balls cut off. Otherwise you would still have problems and be where UT is now.
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1) Come up with a bunch of money
2) Hire whoever you want
Ref: Texas A&M
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fwiw, bryant jr is still very much involved and he wasn't the main one making a problem before (was all of them really) but they've all stepped aside and let things be run by the people hired to run them. at least while saban is here. hopefully they've all learned not to meddle to much. i have my doubts.
Tab me a hater, and I won't deny it, but I think stuff is gonna turn reeeeal quick when Saban retires. That school and its fans are way too spoiled these days not to overreact in handling Saban's void. And whatever and whoever they come up with absolutely will not succeed at Saban's level, but rather than realize that's because he's the GOAT, there'll be a mad dash and power struggle to "fix" whatever the "incompetents" are doing, and then all hell will break loose. Whatever they've learned will be unlearned.
This isn't a slam on Alabama, it's more a admission of their success. I think this would happen to any school that's had as much success as Bama lately. That's the world we live in and the mentality that drives it.
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Looks to be official now... Jimbo Fisher leaving FSU for A&M. Won't coach FSU's last regular season game tomorrow. Pressers coming soon.
This situation feels like the exact opposite of the Tennessee debacle. Whereas they have crap the bed at every turn during their coaching search.... A&M handled this situation to near perfection.
As far as public perception, I guess so.
I also see Aggie just bought out Sumlin's eyebrow-raising contract, very possibly with the insane assistant's contracts (like Chavis....y'all are on the hook for every penny with him too, just like Sumlin, he jumped to A&M because he refused to be tied to the HC and LSU wouldn't budge on that), then bought out Jimbo's insane contract and presumably doubled down on the Sumlin Precedent. Jimbo almost certainly has A&M by the balls in an unheard-of fashion. I just wonder what it's gonna take to be considered worth it, and I'm highly skeptical he can deliver.
It better work out for them, because they just went full Aggie on this. He's gonna go 8-4 next year and my Aggie cousins' reactions are gonna be glorious.
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Tab me a hater, and I won't deny it, but I think stuff is gonna turn reeeeal quick when Saban retires. That school and its fans are way too spoiled these days not to overreact in handling Saban's void. And whatever and whoever they come up with absolutely will not succeed at Saban's level, but rather than realize that's because he's the GOAT, there'll be a mad dash and power struggle to "fix" whatever the "incompetents" are doing, and then all hell will break loose. Whatever they've learned will be unlearned.
This isn't a slam on Alabama, it's more a admission of their success. I think this would happen to any school that's had as much success as Bama lately. That's the world we live in and the mentality that drives it.
i fear you are correct. hell, we've seen it happen here before. i still have the other bricks ready that we were gonna throw at curry. :)
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That school and its fans are way too spoiled these days not to overreact in handling Saban's void. And whatever and whoever they come up with absolutely will not succeed at Saban's level, but rather than realize that's because he's the GOAT, there'll be a mad dash and power struggle to "fix" whatever the "incompetents" are doing, and then all hell will break loose.
Gee, I've never seen that happen.
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i fear you are correct. hell, we've seen it happen here before. i still have the other bricks ready that we were gonna throw at curry. :)
That... cracked me up! Nice one, rtf.
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As far as public perception, I guess so.
I also see Aggie just bought out Sumlin's eyebrow-raising contract, very possibly with the insane assistant's contracts (like Chavis....y'all are on the hook for every penny with him too, just like Sumlin, he jumped to A&M because he refused to be tied to the HC and LSU wouldn't budge on that), then bought out Jimbo's insane contract and presumably doubled down on the Sumlin Precedent. Jimbo almost certainly has A&M by the balls in an unheard-of fashion. I just wonder what it's gonna take to be considered worth it, and I'm highly skeptical he can deliver.
It better work out for them, because they just went full Aggie on this. He's gonna go 8-4 next year and my Aggie cousins' reactions are gonna be glorious.
Eh..... I doubt it... for 2 reasons.
One, your Aggie cousins aren't the big money donors funding this whole shebang.
Two... given our schedule next season, most reasonable Ags would be fine with an 8-4 or 9-3 type season. We play Clemson and Bama within the first 4 weeks of the season... and don't forget at Auburn a few weeks later. That's 3 potential CFP participants on the slate right there. Nevermind at MSU and LSU to finish the season.
But to your point... yes, he's gonna have to deliver to justify the insane money that just got thrown his way.
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Don't get me wrong, I think he's a good coach. Possibly a great one, though I wasn't personally high on him when LSU was chasing after him.
It's just that (see Bubble thread) I can't bring myself to get on board with these crazy contracts that are going around. Fisher is worth more than Saban? Er...ok. If that's what it would've taken to get Fisher here, I'm doubly glad it didn't work out.
And I'd be lying if I said I didn't think there was a possibility that Fisher will equal or only slightly improve Sumlin's achievements across 6 years. But almost certainly not under-perform Sumlin's tenure. You do buy a nice floor with Fisher, imo, and that's worth something.
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A&M, Auburn, and LSU want to be positioned when Saban retires, whenever that may be (five years?).
So does Tennessee and UF of course.
We all agree the HC is pivotal, so folks are taking shots.
And one year doesn't make Smart a smart hire, but it looks good now.
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The long state nightmare at Tennessee is over.
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he's much better than the polarizing Schiano, but still not the 'rock star' hire UT was hoping for.... Still- he's a solid selection. Mel would have been a solid selection, too.
no matter- he's the coach, now, and it's time to rally.
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I'd add to your list...
9. Don't overpay
10. Don't guarantee the contract / include a reasonable buy-out for both parties.
That last item is one that A&M struggles with.
Spot-on Shiner! Kiffin was a failure at UT because of Mike Hamilton not writing a fail-safe contract. The mistake wasn’t necessarily hiring Kiffin (even though we now know that UT turned down Gary Patterson for Kiffin); it was his contract. Kiffin’s buyout to leave the Vols after one season and take his “dream job” at USC was a paltry $800,000. That was chump change for USC. Kiffin always had USC on his mind, and who could blame him? He had vast ties there and they were desperate. All of the Trojans’ other candidates said, “No, thanks,” and with good reason. Think of where UT would be today if they had hired Patterson with UT’s resources over TCU. Maybe Fulmer should have hired Kiffin back to UT, but if he did—Fulmer would have had to write the contract up so that Lame Kitten would have to pay UT at least equal dollars (if not more) if he leaves to what UT pays Kiffin if he fails and he would still likely have taken the job. That should have been put into the first contract, but Mike Hamilton is an idiot. Then, put into his contract that Lane will get a major bonus for winning the SEC East and a massive one for winning the SEC championship. That's an incentive bonus. I know how we got here with huge buyouts, but the buyout should be relative to the coach’s worth. Quit rewarding coaches for failure and reward for success. UT administrators need to retake Public Relations 101 and some business classes. UT has been pathetic over the last decade because of incompetent ADs.
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A&M, Auburn, and LSU want to be positioned when Saban retires, whenever that may be (five years?).
So does Tennessee and UF of course.
We all agree the HC is pivotal, so folks are taking shots.
And one year doesn't make Smart a smart hire, but it looks good now.
Yeah, this is a double-edged thing:
1 - most great hires do very well by year 2, BUT
2 - 2 years isn't enough to judge one way or the other
I'll always mention this when it comes to early returns on HC hires: Terry Bowden started his Auburn career 20-0.....
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So are the UT faithful offended that Gruden is getting back into coaching? Or do you not even care because it's taking 10 years and $100 million?
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i can't speak for the 'UT faithful' but i can say "good for him" and wish him good fortune...
even if UT could have lasso'd him, it would have been only a temporary fix- it would immediately stop the bleeding, shore up recruiting, and buy time to prep the solution to carry the program for the next generation.
Pruitt will be fine- and the characters that caused all the issues at UT have been addressed and put in check- this is going back almost 20 years of BS we've had to contend with... Giving Pruitt the benefit of doubt until proven otherwise, he is by far the better choice than Schiano was, if only because Pruitt isn't a 'haslam' man like Schiano was...as Curry was.. as Hamilton and Hart were...
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The natural question then is if Pruitt is such a good choice, then why was he #16 on their list?
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hold on... didnt say he was great... you did.
the program is healthier and that has little to do with pruitt.. hell, jones would have better production there now... maybe (not likely) dooley would. pruitt IS better than schiano one way or the other, and eliminated the 'two master' scheme by avoiding him.
petersen or patterson were my dream hires..... but pruitt may be capable, too... we'll see.
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So are the UT faithful offended that Gruden is getting back into coaching? Or do you not even care because it's taking 10 years and $100 million?
I actually still like the guy and knew that he only wanted a NFL job. That was obvious to anybody who knew anything about him. That said, more and more people became enamored with him because Gruden kept the hype up by dangling that possibility of possibly taking the UT job in front of them with his little innuendos on almost a weekly basis. He could have easily made it very clear he would not take the UT job, but that didn't serve him. He's not the first and he won't be the last, but it's kind of hard to convince people now after the fact that you are a big supporter of UT imo.