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Title: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-1) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 11-2) Post Game
Post by: TyphonInc on November 26, 2017, 01:44:05 AM
Well let's get this out of the way:

NO WAY Ohio State can beat the Badgers.

Wisconsin just too good all the way around, they do what they do, and do it really well. OSU and their Jekyll and Hyde personality will bite them and against a sound team like Wisconsin.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: bayareabadger on November 26, 2017, 02:15:51 AM
OSU will likely be favored 
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: LittlePig on November 26, 2017, 06:45:42 AM
I am often wrong about these things, but I too feel like Wisconsin is going to beat OSU by double digits.   

OSU just has too many issues that have been exposed in its earlier losses.  Wisconsin's defense is just too good.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 26, 2017, 08:04:23 AM
OSU will likely be favored
Likely? They are favored by a touchdown this morning.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: MaximumSam on November 26, 2017, 08:22:23 AM
Biggest question to me is OSUs offense v Wiscys defense. The defense is strong, but hasn't faced many competent offenses. If they keep the score down they can win, if not they will be in a tough position if they have to throw late to win
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: MrNubbz on November 26, 2017, 08:32:15 AM
Something wicked this way comes.Really haven't the foggiest which squad shows up.The one that routed MSU & out muscled PSU.Or the one that got upended/worked by the Sooners/Hawkeyes.Be nice if Urban just left Haskins alone
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: TresselownsUM on November 26, 2017, 08:59:01 AM
ive yet to see the best defensive line in Greg Schianos life show up on a consistent basis, the OSU LB group has been pretty poor most of the season.

The OSU O line too has often been overpowered, and the play calling has been mind boggling. if OSU thinks its going to run it's QB 15-20 times yet again in a BIG game, and forget about it's RBs with a gimpy or backup QB then it's going to get a nice big chit burger to eat. Wisconsin will destroy that gameplan. 

on the other side of the ball I think the Wisconsin O-line for the most part will have it's way with the OSU D line. if they just pound the rock, hit their TE's they'll score at least 24 points and I'm not sure OSU can get to 24 in this game. the passing game is completely hit or miss.

right now i'd probably have to say Wisconsin wins 28-20
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: FearlessF on November 26, 2017, 09:40:27 AM
anyone that thinks they can call the outcome of this game is much smarter than me

I think it will be a helluva game

probably come down to a few big momentum changing breaks

rooting for the Badgers for many good reasons - one is to keep Bama out of the playoff
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: Honestbuckeye on November 26, 2017, 09:49:32 AM
The OSU d-line has been between good and really good. The LBs are much better now with Borland in the middle and Baker/Worley outside. Good, but not great. Running of tackle or guard against OSU has been tough sledding since that LB realignment. They simplified it since the Iowa debacle, so the shifts and motions eye candy has not been effective ( something the Badgers do better than anyone).
Where they have still given up some yards is on the cutbacks--something Wisconsin is also really good at.
Covering the tight ends has also improved dramatically since then, but again it is good, not great.  Covering WRs is the one area OSU has been super solid.
Overall, the description of OSUs defense is just that.  They are good- not great. Solid and athletic.

Wisconsin has the best Offensive Line the Buckeyes have seen since Oklahoma. Same with the TE. And also the best pure RB. 
Where Oklahoma got them was a combo of a tired defense ( offense could not keep the ball) overly aggressive LBs who let the Sooner TE and FB get behind them on run fakes, and a very mobile, accurate QB.  Between their new alignment and game experience, the Buckeye LBs are much better.  Again, good...not great.

On Offense, the Badgers present similar issues albeit from different formations, as the Wolverines. They give you no time to throw and come at you from all angles- but if you can get one and a half to two seconds, are susceptible to throws to the TEs, bubble screens and tunnel screens and WR slants.  They are amazing against the run as well. I expect it to come down to turnovers and special teams, as I see both defenses somewhat limiting ( but not completely shutting down) the other team.

I am thinking Wisconsin 28 ish to OSU 23 ish.  BAdgers off to the playoffs, which being honest would be a silver lining for me as I like how they run that program.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: bayareabadger on November 26, 2017, 10:06:32 AM
Likely? They are favored by a touchdown this morning.
Was the line out at 2:15 last night?
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 26, 2017, 10:12:25 AM
Was the line out at 2:15 last night?
No idea. It just popped up when I opened the State Journal this morning.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: MrNubbz on November 26, 2017, 10:14:12 AM
rooting for the Badgers for many good reasons - one is to keep Bama out of the playoff
Well run program who have bided their time and play grinding,smash mouth football.If you don't have a dog in the fight IMO the Badgers are America's team in this play off picture
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 26, 2017, 12:16:46 PM

Wisconsin has a one-game season this year.

It's commendable that they avoided tripping up on any of the road apples, after essentially clinching their division by mid-October. 

But it's still a one-game season. 

They will play a better game than we've seen them play this year. And that doesn't generally bode well for OSU. 
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 26, 2017, 12:44:59 PM
Actually, UW has a one game season every week. That starts at the top and everyone bought in.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: CWSooner on November 26, 2017, 12:52:28 PM
Well run program who have bided their time and play grinding,smash mouth football.If you don't have a dog in the fight IMO the Badgers are America's team in this play off picture
Yep.  Not ESPN's team--that would be Bama.  But America's.

I hope the Sooners take care of business (by beating TCU) and play Wisconsin in the Rose Bowl.  It would be a great contrast in styles and strengths.

The first time I ever watched college football was New Year's Day of 1963.  Black-and-white TV.  Saw Oklahoma lose 17-0 to Alabama in the Orange Bowl in the middle of the day, then watched the latter part of Wisconsin vs. USC in the Rose Bowl.

I rooted for the Badgers, maybe because I knew what a Badger was but not a Trojan.  Or maybe I'd already heard about Yon Yonson.  The game went back and forth, with USC scoring last and winning by 3 or 4 points.  I've liked Wisconsin ever since.  I like how the current Wisconsin teams play.  I like it when a team that absolutely needs a yard on THIS play can run the ball and get that yard.

Good luck to both teams in the B1G CG, but I'd rather not see the Sooners (should they make it) play Ohio State again.  The old cliche is true--it's tough to beat a good team twice in the same season.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: TresselownsUM on November 26, 2017, 12:57:10 PM
One game season every week, sure, badgers didn't have any slip ups, that's good coaching to keep players motivated no doubt.

But let's be honest as well, who on that schedule could have really beat this team? 

Anyways, whatever, it doesn't really matter, they did what they had to, 1 more win against a good, but not great osu team and they'll get their shot in in playoffs.

Does anyone think the 59-0 beat down could be a motivational factor for badgers? Different coach, most but not all those players are gone. But I'm sure it's brought up by media all week
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: FearlessF on November 26, 2017, 01:14:31 PM
I'd say a 2 game season at least to this point

Northwestern and Michigan are dangerous teams

I grew up as a Buckeye fan, but what's not to like about the Badgers?

Great fans(relatively humble), Madison is a great place, cheese curds, farm boys(walk-ons), King Barry built them in the Husker mold.  They wear RED.  The West division needs a win!
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: TyphonInc on November 26, 2017, 02:01:34 PM
No idea. It just popped up when I opened the State Journal this morning.
Was the line out at 2:15 last night?
Yes. It was released last week, when the two teams punched their ticket to Indy. And with both holding serve it prolly stayed the same. 7 points.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: TyphonInc on November 26, 2017, 02:08:10 PM
Does anyone think the 59-0 beat down could be a motivational factor for badgers? Different coach, most but not all those players are gone. But I'm sure it's brought up by media all week
I read Wisconsin Senors saying they remember (but don't want to) that debacle, but last years OT loss is a bigger motivational factor. 
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: mcwterps1 on November 26, 2017, 02:47:51 PM
Whoever has the best chance of getting into the playoff to represent the B1G, will win the game.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: FearlessF on November 26, 2017, 02:53:52 PM
will be REAL interesting if it seems to the fans watching and to Urban that he is getting jobbed by the Big Ten for the sake of the playoff

that's why I wonder if big Jim calls Urban this week to let him know what's up and to not blow up like Pelini
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: TyphonInc on November 26, 2017, 03:01:44 PM
Whoever has the best chance of getting into the playoff to represent the B1G, will win the game.
So, I hear you saying Wisconsin?
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: mcwterps1 on November 26, 2017, 03:31:39 PM
So, I hear you saying Wisconsin?
That's what it's looking like. 
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: TyphonInc on November 26, 2017, 03:39:14 PM
Last week the line opened at OSU +7.5, It's been bet down to 5.5.
I see it dropping more. Wisconsin is Legit.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: FearlessF on November 26, 2017, 03:42:31 PM
yes, because even if,..........

Stanford beats USC Friday evening, TCU clobbers OU nearly in the afternoon, Georgia beats Auburn late in the afternoon, and Clemson is blowing out the Canes at halftime of the ACC game, there's no guarantee that the Buckeyes would get in with a dominating performance against the badgers 
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: FearlessF on November 26, 2017, 03:43:54 PM
but, that is why you schedule your conference champ game as late as possible

give the other teams time to eliminate themselves and give your refs options
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: Honestbuckeye on November 26, 2017, 05:31:33 PM
Whoever has the best chance of getting into the playoff to represent the B1G, will win the game.
So many things you post are ludicrous.    
Do you remember posting that Urban only recruited Haskins to ensure nobody else could have him?  You said he would never get a chance to play at OSU.  Care to now admit how obviously wrong that was?
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 26, 2017, 05:33:25 PM
I read Wisconsin Senors saying they remember (but don't want to) that debacle, but last years OT loss is a bigger motivational factor.
These UW players need no outside motivation for schools like Ohio State. They get it.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: TyphonInc on November 26, 2017, 09:57:14 PM
These UW players need no outside motivation for schools like Ohio State. They get it.
Lessons of last year’s close calls fuel Badgers heading into title tilt (http://www.uwbadgers.com/news/2017/11/26/football-lucas-lessons-of-last-years-close-calls-fuel-badgers-heading-into-title-tilt.aspx?path=football)

"That outcome [2016], more so than 2014, will likely be on the minds of the players as the undefeated Badgers prepare for Saturday's championship game against Ohio State in Indianapolis."

OSU did pretty sh!tty in their last revenge game (OU.) I kinda figure the same for this one.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: TresselownsUM on November 27, 2017, 10:23:59 AM
OSU did pretty sh!tty in their last revenge game (OU.) I kinda figure the same for this one.

maybe, but I think you could argue there's more pressure on UW. They are undefeated, they are squarely in the playoff with a win, they've never been this close to the playoff, they're trying to show their a top 5 program, etc.

Part of OSU's craptastic game against OU was the offensive playcalling, Wilson admitted after the game he was horrible. So we'll see what they do this time. Run a gimpy QB 15-20 doesn't seem to be a good idea, but I've seen it everytime Urban has had a big game loss. he about did it again last Saturday.

The OSU LB's have got to play better as well, they were terrible again against UM, they just got bailed out because Okorn missed some easy TDs. the blown coverage by Baker in the 1st quarter comes to mind.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: TresselownsUM on November 27, 2017, 12:12:39 PM
I think a couple over unders could decide this game.

J Taylor over/under 125 yds rushing

Hornibrook over under 1 1/2 picks

Weber/Dobbins over under combined 28 carries

Over under Barrett (if he plays) more carries than OSU RBs

Ohio State 3rd down defense, over under 35% getting off the field

Wisconsin TE's over/under 6 combined catches

Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 27, 2017, 12:16:25 PM
Based on what I see, there is no more pressure on the UW players than there has been for any other game this season.

They are very even keel as a staff and players, from top to bottom.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 27, 2017, 12:23:45 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPpoXdbVAAAap4T.jpg)
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: TresselownsUM on November 27, 2017, 01:57:08 PM
Based on what I see, there is no more pressure on the UW players than there has been for any other game this season.

They are very even keel as a staff and players, from top to bottom.


maybe, but just like a basketball team, sometimes when you get into the NCAA tournament you just get tight, or stray from your normal game for whatever reason. when your playing Minnesota the entire nation's not watching, but when you're in your conference title game everyone is watching.

I'm not saying Wisconsin will do this, but I also don't buy that there's no pressure and it's just another game. they may play very well and win, but it's not just another game.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: TresselownsUM on November 27, 2017, 02:00:57 PM
I gotta wonder what kind of impact the Schiano fiasco with Tennessee could have this weekend.

I'm not defending or accusing Schiano of anything, I'm not sure anyone but Schiano or Sandusky knows what he saw, if anything.

and while it's hard not to trivialize something much bigger than football, I'm gonna try to stick to football here. the guy just essentially had his name drug through the mud due to the Tennessee protests, you gotta wonder where his head is at, where his families heads are at and where maybe some of his defensive players/staff heads are at.

maybe it's just business as usual, but that's gotta be sort of a tough thing to deal with, thinking you just landed a pretty decent job to probably being blackballed for a vast majority of jobs in the matter of hours.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: mcwterps1 on November 27, 2017, 02:23:56 PM
So many things you post are ludicrous.    
Do you remember posting that Urban only recruited Haskins to ensure nobody else could have him?  You said he would never get a chance to play at OSU.  Care to now admit how obviously wrong that was?
He did recruit him to keep him away from Maryland.  Fact. That's the type of slimeball your shit coach is. Just ask the Diggs family. 
It was speculated that he'd rot on the bench due to the other talent on the roster. 
I said I hoped he'd rot on the bench myself. 
Actually, it will be nice to see his homecoming in front of all the players he shit on a few years ago, recruiting everyone to play for the DMV. 
Did you notice the satisfaction Brooks had when he tackled him yards from the endzone, when the refs gave them free points? 
He'll get pounded over and over again. 
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 27, 2017, 02:32:50 PM
Whoever has the best chance of getting into the playoff to represent the B1G, will win the game.
Hypothetically speaking....

What do you believe that the zebras will do if the consensus is that the Badgers have a better chance of "making" the playoffs, but that OSU has a better chance of "winning" the playoffs?
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: Mdot21 on November 27, 2017, 02:38:17 PM
gut feel? I think Wisconsin wins as long as Hornibrook doesn't turn it over multiple times. One turnover they can survive. He throws 2-3 picks though- OSU will run away with it.

All comes down to how well Hornibrook can play. He doesn't have to be a hero. Just complete the easy passes that are there and take care of the football and lean on the defense and run game and Wisconsin will win. I think.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: Mdot21 on November 27, 2017, 02:45:33 PM
I gotta wonder what kind of impact the Schiano fiasco with Tennessee could have this weekend.

I'm not defending or accusing Schiano of anything, I'm not sure anyone but Schiano or Sandusky knows what he saw, if anything.

and while it's hard not to trivialize something much bigger than football, I'm gonna try to stick to football here. the guy just essentially had his name drug through the mud due to the Tennessee protests, you gotta wonder where his head is at, where his families heads are at and where maybe some of his defensive players/staff heads are at.

maybe it's just business as usual, but that's gotta be sort of a tough thing to deal with, thinking you just landed a pretty decent job to probably being blackballed for a vast majority of jobs in the matter of hours.
This is a GREAT point. We often forget that these are HUMAN BEINGS coaching/playing this game.

That has to be a really tough thing to deal with as a man and for his family. He didn't just lose a job- his reputation/character were dragged through the fricken dirt for the world to see.

For Christ sake idiot Tennessee politicians were calling him out on Twitter trying to ingratiate themselves with the mob and some idiot Tennessee fans painted on that giant rock on campus that Schiano was essentially a child rapist.

Who knows where his head is at. I can't say I blame him if it's not on football. After Saturday's game, if I'm him first thing I'm doing is calling my lawyer and suing everyone. I'm suing McQueary, I'm suing UT, I'm suing Clay Travis- I'm suing everybody and anybody I can sue.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: mcwterps1 on November 27, 2017, 02:51:22 PM
Hypothetically speaking....

What do you believe that the zebras will do if the consensus is that the Badgers have a better chance of "making" the playoffs, but that OSU has a better chance of "winning" the playoffs?
Not sure the Zebras have a say so in this one.
"Take one for the conference", "greater good", and all that jazz. 
Got to say, I've never seen a more confident coach or extraordinary team like Wisconsin a few years ago completely shit the bed and have a coach leave right after such a big game, out of the blue. 
Almost like he signed a gag order and couldn't bear to stick around. 
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: MrNubbz on November 27, 2017, 04:26:14 PM
He did recruit him to keep him away from Maryland.  Fact. That's the type of slimeball your shit coach is. Just ask the Diggs family.
Dood stop with you were left at the alter.Ya Maryland.M/Bama/MSU/PSU/UW maybe Maryland Puhleeeze.Student-athletes flip commitments all the time - it's the nature of the beast.Move on grab someone else.Ya Urban is torpedoing the fragile DMV infrastructure.Perhaps you didn't see what Haskins did saturday for his team.Meyer/Haskins conspired years ago to tear Maryland down from their once lofty grid iron heights.BWWWHA-HA-HA,evil doers ya busted us,congrats
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 27, 2017, 04:29:28 PM
Hypothetically speaking....

What do you believe that the zebras will do if the consensus is that the Badgers have a better chance of "making" the playoffs, but that OSU has a better chance of "winning" the playoffs?
Or getting its ass handed to them in a shutout?
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: MrNubbz on November 27, 2017, 04:35:19 PM
Hey now
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 27, 2017, 04:44:01 PM
Or getting its ass handed to them in a shutout?
Indeed. 
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: mcwterps1 on November 27, 2017, 04:46:59 PM
Dood stop with you were left at the alter.Ya Maryland.M/Bama/MSU/PSU/UW maybe Maryland Puhleeeze.Student-athletes flip commitments all the time - it's the nature of the beast.Move on grab someone else.Ya Urban is torpedoing the fragile DMV infrastructure.Perhaps you didn't see what Haskins did saturday for his team.Meyer/Haskins conspired years ago to tear Maryland down from their once lofty grid iron heights.BWWWHA-HA-HA,evil doers ya busted us,congrats
Bro.... Here is your proof.... 
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/news/2178871-urban-meyer-florida-ohio-state-ncaa-violation-recruiting-drugs-program-will-musc
He's a shit coach with integrity issues and no morals. 
You can tell this by the hiring of Schiano and Wilson.
Real cute how he got cornered on ESPN about agents and handlers and watching him try to squirm out of it.  Then, *poof*, he's gone. 
If you don't have any morals, so be it, you're entitled. But don't act like he's some sort of saint and he doesn't do nefarious things.
If Durkin ever gets caught up in some sort of scandal that has a twinge of Urban Meyer on it, I hope they kick his ass out of the school so fast he never gets another coaching job.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: fezzador on November 27, 2017, 04:50:08 PM
Or getting its ass handed to them in a shutout?
I actually think Wisconsin can win a playoff game.  Especially if it's a 1-4 game against Oklahoma.  I'm much less confident they can beat Clemson or Auburn (assuming we're sticking with chalk)
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: MrNubbz on November 27, 2017, 05:21:27 PM

Bro.... Here is your proof....
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/news/2178871-urban-meyer-florida-ohio-state-ncaa-violation-recruiting-drugs-program-will-musc
He's a shit coach with integrity issues and no morals.
You can tell this by the hiring of Schiano and Wilson.
Real cute how he got cornered on ESPN about agents and handlers and watching him try to squirm out of it.  Then, *poof*, he's gone.
If you don't have any morals, so be it, you're entitled. But don't act like he's some sort of saint and he doesn't do nefarious things.
If Durkin ever gets caught up in some sort of scandal that has a twinge of Urban Meyer on it, I hope they kick his ass out of the school so fast he never gets another coaching job.
Ya Urban told these kids to commit crimes.Drugs,assaults,sexual misconduct,felonies of all sorts.Have you paid attention to the culture in FLA.Kids are still getting arrested and tossed off of campus at Fla/FSU/Mia.This is something that Urban encouraged after moving there from Utah.Perhaps Florida being a hub for incoming illegal drugs to this county since the early '80's,single parent families,poverty could be the problem.I do believe he left for this reason.So ya after Urbs wrecked Fla he moved on to Maryland and you.Yup part of the master plan unfolding as it should.You picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: Mdot21 on November 27, 2017, 07:15:42 PM
love these B1G ref conspiracy theory elements the Maryland guy brings to every thread. Enjoy.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 29, 2017, 02:39:37 PM
I think I'll just leave this one here...


https://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/wisconsin-ohio-state-shoot-for-cfp-berth-112817


No Big Ten team has made more trips to the championship game than the Badgers’ five, including three of the past four years, but they’re still looking for their first win.


Ummm...

Holy crap. And this is on Fox - co-owner of the B1G Television Conference and the network that has covered the CCG from day one...
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: bayareabadger on November 29, 2017, 03:29:47 PM
I think I'll just leave this one here...


https://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/wisconsin-ohio-state-shoot-for-cfp-berth-112817


No Big Ten team has made more trips to the championship game than the Badgers’ five, including three of the past four years, but they’re still looking for their first win.


Ummm...

Holy crap. And this is on Fox - co-owner of the B1G Television Conference and the network that has covered the CCG from day one...

TBF, someone at Fox didn't actually write that, and I'd bet someone there didn't place it either. 
But to the dude who did write it, that's quite a thing. 
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: bayareabadger on November 29, 2017, 03:30:52 PM
Not sure the Zebras have a say so in this one.
"Take one for the conference", "greater good", and all that jazz.
Got to say, I've never seen a more confident coach or extraordinary team like Wisconsin a few years ago completely shit the bed and have a coach leave right after such a big game, out of the blue.
Almost like he signed a gag order and couldn't bear to stick around.
If you think that team was extraordinary, we gotta get you some better football to watch. 
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: Mdot21 on November 29, 2017, 05:16:54 PM
I actually think Wisconsin can win a playoff game.  Especially if it's a 1-4 game against Oklahoma.  I'm much less confident they can beat Clemson or Auburn (assuming we're sticking with chalk)
I'm the opposite.

I'm just not completely sold on Kelly Bryant or Jarrett Stidham. I think Wisconsin's defense would fare much better against those guys than Mayfield.

Mayfield is a lot like Watson last year in that- you're probably not stopping him. He is just playing at such a ridiculously high level. I really think Oklahoma is going to win it all.

Mayfield's pass efficiency rating is 203.3. Which is an all-time regular season record. Whose record did he break? His own. His pass efficiency rating was 196.39 in 2016.

Mayfield's Adjusted QBR (rates QB's on a scale of 0 to 100) is an absolutely ridiculous 92.5. Which is damn near perfect. BY FAR the highest in college football.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: NorthernOhioBuckeye on November 29, 2017, 05:33:48 PM
I'm the opposite.

I'm just not completely sold on Kelly Bryant or Jarrett Stidham. I think Wisconsin's defense would fare much better against those guys than Mayfield.

Mayfield is a lot like Watson last year in that- you're probably not stopping him. He is just playing at such a ridiculously high level. I really think Oklahoma is going to win it all.

Mayfield's pass efficiency rating is 203.3. Which is an all-time regular season record. Whose record did he break? His own. His pass efficiency rating was 196.39 in 2016.

Mayfield's Adjusted QBR (rates QB's on a scale of 0 to 100) is an absolutely ridiculous 92.5. Which is damn near perfect. BY FAR the highest in college football.
I would note that most of his games were in the Big 12 where defense is mostly a rumor. However, he has been impressive when he is not being a jerk. 
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: ELA on November 29, 2017, 05:34:16 PM
No Big Ten team has made more trips to the championship game than the Badgers’ five, including three of the past four years, but they’re still looking for their first win against a team that actually won the other Division, since the graduation of their acclaimed punter Laurence Olivier.

I think he corrected it
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Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: Mdot21 on November 29, 2017, 05:39:28 PM
I would note that most of his games were in the Big 12 where defense is mostly a rumor. However, he has been impressive when he is not being a jerk.
He shredded you guys in your house at night. Shredded Auburn's defense in that bowl game last year. Don't think it really matters who he plays or who he plays with. He lost a lot of guys off that offense from last year. Played maybe even better. He is just that good. Makes everyone he plays with better. Has an NFL arm. Is very smart and extremely accurate. Needs to grow up- don't like how he acts- but man- he is special. He is legit as hell.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: MrNubbz on November 29, 2017, 07:22:11 PM
Similarities to Johnny Football,between the lines that is
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: CWSooner on November 29, 2017, 07:56:34 PM
Similarities to Johnny Football,between the lines that is
Brett Favre might be a better comparison.  He's not as big as Favre, but he plays like him.  Manziel was a better runner but a weaker passer than Mayfield.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 29, 2017, 08:57:37 PM
I think I'll just leave this one here...


https://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/wisconsin-ohio-state-shoot-for-cfp-berth-112817


No Big Ten team has made more trips to the championship game than the Badgers’ five, including three of the past four years, but they’re still looking for their first win.


Ummm...

Holy crap. And this is on Fox - co-owner of the B1G Television Conference and the network that has covered the CCG from day one...

Yeah, that's pretty funny. 
Just for the record... 
PSU 1-0
MSU 2-1
Wisconsin 2-2
OSU 1-1
Nebraska 0-1
Iowa 0-1
Wisconsin and MSU are killin' it. 
The Helmet 4 aren't doing so hot. 
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 29, 2017, 09:24:04 PM
He shredded you guys in your house at night. Shredded Auburn's defense in that bowl game last year. Don't think it really matters who he plays or who he plays with. He lost a lot of guys off that offense from last year. Played maybe even better. He is just that good. Makes everyone he plays with better. Has an NFL arm. Is very smart and extremely accurate. Needs to grow up- don't like how he acts- but man- he is special. He is legit as hell.
Ryan Leaf?
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: Mdot21 on November 29, 2017, 09:33:06 PM
Ryan Leaf?
Who really knows? 
He clearly has the talent. Much better passer than Manziel could ever dream of being. Mayfield can absolutely play in the NFL. He has the pure talent. Unfortunately I think he might have a similar type personality.
Character + personality/temperament far more important at that position in the NFL than talent. 
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: FearlessF on November 29, 2017, 11:37:42 PM
best to root for TCU 
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: Cincydawg on November 30, 2017, 10:36:18 AM
Given we're all guessing which OSU team shows up, I'll guess OSU 31  Wisconsin 17, and something to give the CFP folks fits.

Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: Mdot21 on November 30, 2017, 12:09:59 PM
I have a hard time seeing Wisconsin's D give up 31. If OSU scores 31 it'll be with some defense/ST's help. I think Wisconsin's D are pretty damn legit, one of the top D units in the country. I think it's going to be a low scoring dog fight. Starting to lean towards Wisconsin. Not a big believer in Hornibrook. I think he can pull it off though but he has to take care of the football though. He turns it over more than once, Wisconsin loses. He stays at 1 to none- they have a great shot.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: TresselownsUM on November 30, 2017, 01:13:13 PM
 I think it's going to be a low scoring dog fight.

if it is, then I like the Badgers chances. I think the Buckeyes need to make it more track meet, less grind it out. not many teams grind it out better than the Badgers.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 30, 2017, 01:15:15 PM
I have a funny feeling that UW is going to come out throwing the ball to get rid of that 8 man front.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 30, 2017, 03:20:35 PM


They are gonna sneak Cardale out there, in his #16 JTB Jersey.




(https://www.elevenwarriors.com/sites/default/files/styles/904x490/public/c/2017/11/88561_h.jpg?itok=RmiOJIf-)
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: Honestbuckeye on November 30, 2017, 03:24:56 PM
I have a funny feeling that UW is going to come out throwing the ball to get rid of that 8 man front.
While Ohio State has not run anything close to an 8 man front ( except maybe a couple times in a specific down and distance situations of course), they have had a stop the run focus in most games. So, I think you are right....get that passing game going early so they don’t crowd the line of scrimmage.   I expect both teams to do that.
I just think Wisconsin is better equipped to be balanced on defense.  They have just been insanely good at not giving up big plays or letting teams score.  
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: TresselownsUM on November 30, 2017, 04:00:03 PM
and Ohio State has given up a lot of Big plays, due mostly to poor LB play
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: MaximumSam on November 30, 2017, 04:51:36 PM
I think I would pick a score like 35-31 Wisconsin.  I'm not at all confident in OSU's defense, but Wisconsin hasn't really played a team that can attack all over the field like OSU can.  OSU's best chance is scoring quickly and getting Wiscy in a lot of passing situations.  It could go wide for OSU if they do that, but I'm not confident about it.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: Mdot21 on November 30, 2017, 06:27:00 PM
JT had knee surgery apparently. No real details on what kind of knee surgery exactly. Cleared for the CCG game though and expected to start. Could be a small little edge for Wisconsin if his knee is really bothering him and he's not able to make the quick cuts in the run game that make him such an effective runner. JT not the fastest guy in a straight line, always felt like it was his decision making in the read option run game, ability to fall forward for an extra yard or two, and his ability to make defenders miss was what made him such an effective runner. Never had that crazy top end speed like a Denard or Pryor, but he didn't need it. If he had that kind of speed- well he's already really damn great- he'd have been just ridiculous.

If he's hobbled up and can't really run effectively, that's an advantage for Wisconsin.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: TyphonInc on November 30, 2017, 07:10:26 PM
J.T. BARRETT UNDERWENT KNEE SURGERY SUNDAY (https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2017/11/88731/jt-barrett-underwent-surgery-sunday-per-report)

arthroscopic surgery on his right Knee
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: CWSooner on November 30, 2017, 08:20:13 PM
J.T. BARRETT UNDERWENT KNEE SURGERY SUNDAY (https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2017/11/88731/jt-barrett-underwent-surgery-sunday-per-report)

arthroscopic surgery on his right Knee
So, will Ohio State get a pass from the Committee if Wisconsin wins?  Maybe a bump to stay in the top 11 and get a New Year's Day bowl assignment?
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: bayareabadger on November 30, 2017, 10:40:58 PM

JT had knee surgery apparently. No real details on what kind of knee surgery exactly. Cleared for the CCG game though and expected to start. Could be a small little edge for Wisconsin if his knee is really bothering him and he's not able to make the quick cuts in the run game that make him such an effective runner. JT not the fastest guy in a straight line, always felt like it was his decision making in the read option run game, ability to fall forward for an extra yard or two, and his ability to make defenders miss was what made him such an effective runner. Never had that crazy top end speed like a Denard or Pryor, but he didn't need it. If he had that kind of speed- well he's already really damn great- he'd have been just ridiculous.

If he's hobbled up and can't really run effectively, that's an advantage for Wisconsin.
OR they give the RBs 40 carries and every JT hater is proved right and I'm enraged on two fronts. 
I already see it happening and am seething. 
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: ELA on December 01, 2017, 08:54:21 AM
No point in making it it's own thread

#4 Wisconsin Badgers (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State Buckeyes (8-1, 10-2)
8:00 - Indianapolis, IN - FOX
Looks like Ohio State is up in the annual Badger Invitational in Indianapolis.  Penn State had it in their sights, and Michigan State made it interesting longer than expected, but in the end we got the matchup we all expected in the preseason.  The fact that Wisconsin got Iowa and Michigan late helped them stay focused when the division has otherwise been wrapped up since about the 3rd quarter of the BYU game.  It has also helped the offense round into form after some early unevenness.  This is being billed as the Buckeye Offense vs. the Wisconsin defense, and for good reason, Wisconsin leads the conference in scoring defense, total defense, run defense and pass defense, all by a healthy margin, while Ohio State leads all of those categories on the offensive side.  But it's Bucky's offense which is being ignored.  Aside from Hornibrook's interception issue, it is as good as any in the conference outside of Columbus.  Even the maligned passing game is 3rd in the Big Ten in completion percentage, and 2nd in yards per attempt.  The issue is that horrible 1 in 14.83 interception ratio, worst in the conference.  It's particularly odd when you consider Hornibrook's completion percentage on the whole is so good.  1 in 5.58 incompletions is an interception.  For comparison, Illinois has the 2nd worst interception ratio at 1 in 18.21, but their interceptions on incompletions ratio is 1 in 9.36; and best in the Big Ten is Maryland's 1 in 25, which is when you only complete 51% of your passes, but also only throw 5 interceptions.  As good as Ohio State's offense is, Wisconsin has a defense good enough to cause some stops.  We saw Michigan give them trouble for a good portion of the game last week, and Wisconsin's defense is better.  Best in the nation.  But does Ohio State have enough defense to stop Wisconsin?  They are going to have to cause turnovers, and frankly that is something they haven't done at a high rate this year, particularly considering how often they were playing from ahead, necessitating their opponents to take risks.  They should have been far higher than 7th in the Big Ten in takeaways.  The fan balance in the dome might play a factor.  When Ohio State's offense was operating at its peak, the fourth quarter against Penn State and the first half against Michigan State, they were executing their tempo perfectly.  They have to find that rhythm to try and get the Badgers off balance.  That tempo didn't seem to travel well.  Once the crowd in Iowa City got going, and then last week in Ann Arbor, even when the offense was working, the tempo was nothing like what I saw in those other two games.  The tailbacks are good, but the receiving options aren't quite up to Ohio State's normal level, where they can overwhelm you on the edges.  The Buckeyes only chance is to find that rhythm again, but I haven't seen it yet outside the Shoe.
WISCONSIN 31, OHIO STATE 24
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2017, 10:03:11 AM
nice breakdown ELA. I think Wisconsin wins as long as Hornibrook doesn't start making it rain interceptions. You just never know with him. He takes care of the ball, I think your score will prove to be pretty close.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2017, 10:06:47 AM
OR they give the RBs 40 carries and every JT hater is proved right and I'm enraged on two fronts.
I already see it happening and am seething.
JT/RB's- it all works hand in hand though. Defenses defend the backs on those zone reads and JT starts gashing them, so they go to defending JT and the backs gash them. If JT can't really do it because he's hobble by the knee defense can just tee off on the backs. They do call run plays specifically for JT- but a lot of his runs are just him reading the defenders crashing down and then keeping the ball.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: TyphonInc on December 01, 2017, 10:37:04 AM
WISCONSIN 31, OHIO STATE 24
Seems about right. I really just hoping the "let's get embarrassed" OSU team doesn't show up, and we have a competitive 4 quarters. 
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: FearlessF on December 01, 2017, 10:40:48 AM
sorry badgers, I put the kiss of death on y'all

taking the 6.5 points the Bucks are giving

cursed the Wolverines last week
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2017, 10:45:11 AM
sorry badgers, I put the kiss of death on y'all

taking the 6.5 points the Bucks are giving

cursed the Wolverines last week
they were cursed the moment John O'Korn was named starting QB. Nothing you did.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 01, 2017, 10:53:06 AM
they were cursed the moment John O'Korn was named starting QB. Nothing you did.

The Wisconsin effect... 
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2017, 11:00:19 AM
The Wisconsin effect...
The Wisconsin effect happened when those M'fers knocked Peters out the game and into next week. Literally.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: FearlessF on December 01, 2017, 11:04:35 AM
the Harbaugh QB whisperer effect
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2017, 11:16:59 AM
the Harbaugh QB whisperer effect
well he did pretty good with Rudock in 2015 and OK with Speight in 2016. Iowa/Ferentz thought Rudock couldn't play. Benched him for Beathard. Rudock wound up being pretty darn good. Speight has a lot of limitations, he is what he is, but Harbaugh probably got the maximum out of him. Peters was looking pretty good as a freshman, although he only started 3 games and wasn't asked to carry the team on his shoulders. Aside from that fumble, he was having a pretty nice 1st half on the road against a great Wisconsin team until he got knocked unconscious into next week in the 2nd half.
can we really blame John O'Korn's awfulness entirely on Harbaugh? Jim and his OC were dialing up nice plays against Ohio State. O'Korn missed damn near every one of them. At what point does the player bare any responsibility? O'Korn couldn't pick up first downs against Rutgers. Rutgers. That's why Peters got his shot to play. O'Korn was 2nd to last in the entire college football world in Total QBR and he did lose his job at Houston to a 5-foot-nine inch, 180 pound kid that was playing wide receiver the year before in Greg Ward. That all on Jim too? Blame Jim for bringing that bum to Michigan and keeping him there, don't blame him for O'Korn sucking. That's all on John O'Korn.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: bayareabadger on December 01, 2017, 12:21:33 PM
UW's No. 2 RB and top blocking TE are out. Eff.

UW is down its top projected three receivers off last year, plus a linebacker who could well have been one of the best in the conference and had another very good linebacker miss some time. Considering all that, can't be mad at the year, no matter what happens Saturday. 
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 01, 2017, 12:22:25 PM
The beat goes on... Same shit, different day.

From Ben Worgull at Badger 247:


MADISON – Wisconsin released its final injury report prior to Saturday’s Big Ten championship game against No.8 Ohio State. It was not a good one.

Junior tight end Zander Neuville (https://247sports.com/Player/Zander-Neuville-85851) and sophomore tailback Bradrick Shaw (https://247sports.com/Player/Bradrick-Shaw-35905) are both done for the season with leg injuries, joining at least nine other players who have been lost for the season with either injuries or personal reasons. Both players were injured in the first half of the Badgers’ 31-0 win at Minnesota last weekend.

While neither put up eye-popping stats, both filled critical roles for the Badgers’ offense. Neuville had played in all 12 games during the regular season (11 starts) and was instrumental in UW’s run blocking scheme. A former defensive end before flipped to tight end last season, Neuville’s improvement in route running earned him nine catches for 81 yards and two touchdowns on the season.

Shaw began the season as Wisconsin’s starting tailback, rushing for 84 yards and a touchdown, but a leg injury forced him to miss week two. By the time he returned, freshman Jonathan Taylor (https://247sports.com/Player/Jonathan-Taylor-85554) has taken over the job. Despite working in a reserve role, Shaw still recorded double-digit carries in four Big Ten games and finished the season with 365 rushing yards and four touchdowns.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: bayareabadger on December 01, 2017, 12:24:44 PM
JT/RB's- it all works hand in hand though. Defenses defend the backs on those zone reads and JT starts gashing them, so they go to defending JT and the backs gash them. If JT can't really do it because he's hobble by the knee defense can just tee off on the backs. They do call run plays specifically for JT- but a lot of his runs are just him reading the defenders crashing down and then keeping the ball.
It works hand in hand to a degree. 
Folks have been running inside zone for a long dang time. Zone read is a dynamic way to deal with the unblocked end, but far from the only one. They also use him to even box numbers on QB power and counter runs, but there's nothing that says they can't just run power or counter to the backs, esp with a jet sweep guys as window dressing.
It might mean running into heavier boxes with less favorable numbers, but OSU's talent is good enough that could be effective. (Shoot, I wish it was as easy as teeing off on backs)
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: TresselownsUM on December 01, 2017, 12:39:13 PM
losing shaw is a blow, I thought he gave them a really nice change of pace.

and not that you would expect Taylor to get hurt, but if he did, he's was a reliable backup
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2017, 12:44:33 PM
I think losing the blocking TE was more of a blow. Taylor was going to carry the load anyway. TE's that can block and catch are absolutely invaluable, and Wisconsin likes to play a lot of multiple TE sets.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 01, 2017, 12:47:28 PM
I think losing the blocking TE was more of a blow. Taylor was going to carry the load anyway. TE's that can block and catch are absolutely invaluable, and Wisconsin likes to play a lot of multiple TE sets.
You nailed it. That is a huge loss. Excellent blocker who also started to shine in the passing game over the past month.

Last fall camp he was a DE..

I expect to see Alex Ingold step in to the H-Back role, or possibly even Austin Ramesh. 

It sucks to lose anyone this late in the season.

Also lost last week was one of their best special teams guys - Noah Burks. It all hurts.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on December 01, 2017, 12:47:55 PM
Injuries don't matter at Wisconsin. 

They just plug in the next Stormtrooper, and the machine churns on without skipping a beat. 
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 01, 2017, 12:51:04 PM
Injuries don't matter at Wisconsin.

They just plug in the next Stormtrooper, and the machine churns on without skipping a beat.
Next man in has been a motto this year. I'm getting tired of it.

Depth WILL be tested tomorrow in a big way.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: TyphonInc on December 01, 2017, 02:56:59 PM
Injuries don't matter at Wisconsin.

They just plug in the next Stormtrooper, and the machine churns on without skipping a beat.
Really?
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: bayareabadger on December 01, 2017, 03:17:08 PM
Really?
They do matter. We missed a damn year of Jack ruining folks. In truth, we missed a lot of years of that. Sigh. 
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: MrNubbz on December 01, 2017, 05:43:26 PM
Next man in has been a motto this year. I'm getting tired of it.

Depth WILL be tested tomorrow in a big way.
Cephus,Peavy and Cichy out correct?Don't want to here Bama bitch.Can't imagine UW having last years Biegel,Watt and Cichy at LB together and healthy that's solid recruiting right there
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: Mdot21 on December 01, 2017, 07:18:34 PM
Tim Tebow actually went on national TV on ESPN and said that Wisconsin shouldn't go to the playoff even if they beat Ohio State.

I never liked Tim Tebow.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: FearlessF on December 01, 2017, 08:31:31 PM
nobody liked Tebow

hot GF dropped him because he wasn't likable
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: mcwterps1 on December 01, 2017, 09:29:40 PM
Congratulations Wisconsin! 
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 01, 2017, 11:50:53 PM
Cephus,Peavy and Cichy out correct?Don't want to here Bama bitch.Can't imagine UW having last years Biegel,Watt and Cichy at LB together and healthy that's solid recruiting right there
Those 3, plus 8 more. Been a rough year on the injury front for Big Red.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: MrNubbz on December 02, 2017, 12:23:02 AM
Watched USC-UCLA tilt last week.Announcers mentioned the Bruins lost 9 starters since the season kicked off.The most in Div I,Chip getting a few of them back can't hurt sans Rosen
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: bayareabadger on December 02, 2017, 07:51:17 AM
Those 3, plus 8 more. Been a rough year on the injury front for Big Red.
I'd totally forgot Baun was supposed to be a guy. 
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: Cincydawg on December 02, 2017, 08:08:02 AM
Sports commentators have to find "notable" (ridiculous) things to opine to remain "relevant" (noticed).  

Any undefeated P5 team should be in any playoff every time, period.  To "opine" otherwise is to seek attention.

I think it would be nearly impossible for a top notch but "boring" analyst to be featured on TV or on a web site for long.  Mark May survived by being insulting of nearly everyone for many years, but he was noticed.  If you start being ignored, you get dumped.  Being noticed is what counts in life over being right or logical or sensible.

Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: Cincydawg on December 02, 2017, 08:10:35 AM
This obviously is a fascinating match up.  Wisconsin has this tradition of playing way above their recruiting rankings but in the final equation not being able to offset the talent of an Ohio State kind of team.  That might change this year of course.

My "old tapes" say Ohio State wins this one, but I think that has a lot of Helmetosity involved.

For giggles, I'd love to see TCU and OSU both win.  I also don't think much of the OU QB.

I'd also enjoy seeing Wisconsin tee it up against a Clemson.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 02, 2017, 08:19:01 AM
Wisconsin 27
Ohio State 24
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: FearlessF on December 02, 2017, 08:57:35 AM
This obviously is a fascinating match up.  Wisconsin has this tradition of playing way above their recruiting rankings but in the final equation not being able to offset the talent of an Ohio State kind of team.  That might change this year of course.
I think it changes this year
I think Bucky beats the Bucks - 24 to 21
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: TyphonInc on December 02, 2017, 06:05:31 PM
Sports commentators have to find "notable" (ridiculous) things to opine to remain "relevant" (noticed).  

Any undefeated P5 team should be in any playoff every time, period.  To "opine" otherwise is to seek attention.

I think it would be nearly impossible for a top notch but "boring" analyst to be featured on TV or on a web site for long.  Mark May survived by being insulting of nearly everyone for many years, but he was noticed.  If you start being ignored, you get dumped.  Being noticed is what counts in life over being right or logical or sensible.


Gotta Love ESPN, oh wait no we don't.
I was spitting mad when on three separate occasions they asserted UCF was the only undefeated in College football. And I was like just 'casue the games not on your channel doesn't mean the team no longer exists.
Let's Go Bucks and retroactively make ESPN correct in their absurd statements.

Picking from the heart 31-20 Good Guys.
I'll also take the 49 - 26 half time score from the basketball game. :93:
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: TyphonInc on December 03, 2017, 12:56:30 AM
I want to put this here in case it gets skimmed over in the stream thread:

1st off: Congrats to Wisconsin. Man I like that team, Fumagalli is the real deal. I like the coach, real classy in the post game interview. I think they are really good, just came up a couple plays short tonight. Wisconsin seems to be a quality program doing it the right way.

Not to get too OSU centric; but it looked like OSU had 3 big plays to get points, and had 3 horrible turnovers leading to 3 Badger scores. I don't think that's a recipe for continued success whoever they play in the bowl/playoff.  
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 03, 2017, 08:36:40 AM
Tough pill to swallow, but it is what it is. To be the king you gotta kill the king and UW is just a little short from that still.

The program is in very good hands and I'm confident they will bounce back and win their bowl game. Best of luck to Ohio State in theirs.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: FearlessF on December 03, 2017, 09:35:09 AM
corngrats to the Bucks

couple big plays in the passing game and got the RB going vs the Badger defense

shut down the Wisconsin RB and caused them to throw the ball 40 times

fingers crossed for a spot in the playoff, but not real hopeful
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: FearlessF on December 03, 2017, 09:38:12 AM
AND corngrats to the Badgers on a great regular season

valiant effort in the champ game after getting a tough start

history will smile on this season and the program is in great health for the future
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 03, 2017, 09:49:21 AM
Last night boiled down to this, and the fact that UW couldn't run:

OSU 4 plays 96 yards, TD
OSU 4 plays 75 yards, TD
OSU 3 plays 82 yards, TD

1st06:31OSU - McLaurin, Terry 84 yd pass from Barrett, J.T. (Nuernberger, S. kick ) 4 plays, 96 yards, TOP 1:1570
1st - 02:081st02:08WIS - Van Ginkel, A. 9 yd interception (Gaglianone, R. kick )77
1st - 00:591st00:59OSU - Campbell, P. 57 yd pass from Barrett, J.T. (Nuernberger, S. kick ) 4 plays, 75 yards, TOP 1:09147
2nd - 11:102nd11:10OSU - Barrett, J.T. 1 yd run (Nuernberger, S. kick ), 3 plays, 82 yards, TOP 1:05217

That was the start of the game and UW just couldn't recover. Great effort to almost get there, but it fell just short.

With the speed they have coming in this next class and with several key players healthy (hopefully), they should be right back in the mix next season and over the next few years beyond.

I'm guessing they are going to lose a couple of coaches though. Gilmore and Tibesar are probably goners for promotions, and deservedly so.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: TresselownsUM on December 03, 2017, 07:16:13 PM
Buckeye D line won this game, completely shut down the Wisconsin run game. Horibrook throwing 40 passes is not the recipe for success for the Badgers.

I thought the wiscy defense played fairly well, but OSU just had too many athletes on that side of the ball. JK played a whale of a game and the OSU WRs were open most of the night. JT missed at least 4 TD passes where the receivers were wide open.  

But gutsy performance to run 18 times on a bum knee. Shocking the coaches called his number that many times though.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 06, 2017, 01:42:26 PM
Just finished a re-watch of the game. Man, both sides made a lot of mistakes. OSU took advantage more.

During the original watch I saw something on UW's last possession of the game. I'm wondering if anyone else saw it.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=2017+wisconsin+ohio+state&&view=detail&mid=A1E05BF0CEACA09EFFABA1E05BF0CEACA09EFFAB&FORM=VRDGAR

Watch from about the 40 minute mark of the video. There was a holding call on the UW LT that was flagged, but how in the world was that PI call not made? That would have offset the hold and resulted in a new 1st and 10 as opposed to 1st and 20. UW had the momentum going there too.

I saw some writers call this out but I wanted to see it again for me. Wow. Not sure what that official was looking at to keep the flag in his pocket. That could have been a game-changer.

So much for Big Jim having the fix in for UW. Heh.

Still, the hold cannot be dismissed. Huge mistake in a huge spot there.

Dieter (a great guard playing tackle) got abused all night.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-0) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2)
Post by: FearlessF on December 06, 2017, 03:42:04 PM


So much for Big Jim having the fix in for UW. Heh.

he's not as smart and powerful as we were led to believe 
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-1) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 11-2) Post Game
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on December 06, 2017, 03:53:00 PM
Badge,
I noticed that watching live.  It was pretty obviously PI, but I couldn't figure out if Ohio State simply got lucky or if the officials knew of some wrinkle in the rules to the effect that since the hold (also obvious just like the PI) negated the play, what happened after that didn't matter.  I was thinking of how there is no PI on a tipped ball, for example.  I don't think that makes sense though so I think you are right, both should have been called and it should have been effectively a "do-over".  
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-1) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 11-2) Post Game
Post by: SFBadger96 on December 06, 2017, 04:25:10 PM
Watching it live, I remember waiting to hear offsetting penalties on that play. Re-playing 1st and 10 is a lot different than 1st and 20. It made a difference.

But not as big a difference as those three big plays in the first 20 minutes you highlighted in your earlier posts. And yes, Ohio State missed on some other big opportunities.

Overall frustrating, but not too surprising. Every time I watch Wisconsin play Ohio State and Michigan I hold my breath about the big play. It's as regular as clockwork.

And even so, I agree: the Ohio State d-line was the biggest difference maker. It's rare to see a Wisconsin o-line get handled, but it was on Saturday.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-1) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 11-2) Post Game
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 06, 2017, 05:40:02 PM
Yeah, no doubt the Badgers got outplayed in the first half. That was the difference.

Good to see you SF. You are missed here.

Anyway, from my favorite (non-Badger fan) beat writer of the Milwaukee paper:

*****************************************************************

I watched the official closest to that play and he merely signaled incomplete pass. Did not motion the ball was uncatchable. I don't know how you miss that. It should have been offsetting calls and first and 10.
by Jeff Potrykus 12/6/2017 2:24:07 AM 8:24 PM yesterday (http://live.jsonline.com/Event/Badgers_football_chat_with_Jeff_Potrykus_11/1108842453)
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-1) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 11-2) Post Game
Post by: FearlessF on December 06, 2017, 07:18:16 PM
must have figured their feet got tangled
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-1) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 11-2) Post Game
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 06, 2017, 07:24:45 PM
Maybe watch it again buddy. No tangle. Just a tackle.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-1) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 11-2) Post Game
Post by: FearlessF on December 06, 2017, 07:40:21 PM
oh, I know, but if he didn't signal uncatchable, that's the only explanation left
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-1) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 11-2) Post Game
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 06, 2017, 07:46:47 PM
I think he just froze in the moment. A human thing.

He probably won't be doing the big game next year.
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-1) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 11-2) Post Game
Post by: TresselownsUM on December 06, 2017, 08:04:38 PM
Totally agree it was PI, was sitting in upper deck right in front of me.

But even if they call it, what's odds wiscy scores a TD? 5-10%?

I was begging Meyer to go for the TD on the 2nd 4th and 1. I figured TD were up 10 and game is over. If they don't make it i would have bet my entire savings account that the Badgers wouldn't go 99 yards, their o line was pushed off the ball all night. Wisconsins only chance was to have Russell Wilson at qb. I'm sure hornibrook is a good kid, but he probably should be playing in the MAC, he doesn't have the arm or mobility against elite defenses, and I'm sure I'd even call this OSU defense elite, prob above avg. 
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-1) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 11-2) Post Game
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 07, 2017, 07:44:40 AM
You can't put all of the blame on Hornibrook. It's hard to make plays when you don't have any time. Bosa made sure he didn't. Dieter was no match for him.

Read this and watch the video included. You'll see what I mean.

http://host.madison.com/wsj/sports/college/football/badgers-football-film-room-taking-a-look-at-what-went/article_7d1834b7-e8eb-580f-a828-bce1e2e59c2c.html#utm_source=host.madison.com&utm_campaign=%2Femail%2Fbadgerbeat%2F&utm_medium=email&utm_content=0701DB267027A176132EF5C6A73A2B8F7659C27A

Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-1) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 11-2) Post Game
Post by: MaximumSam on December 07, 2017, 09:17:40 AM
Blaming Hornibrook is definitely wrong.  I thought if OSU got a lead and could pass rush all game it would be over.  It wasn't mostly because of Hornibrook, who had no time but made plays anyway.  
Title: Re: BTCG #5 Wisconsin (9-0, 12-1) vs. #8 Ohio State (8-1, 11-2) Post Game
Post by: TresselownsUM on December 07, 2017, 12:32:15 PM
I can't get the article open, i'll try later to give it a read. I'm not saying all the blame is on hornibrook, Wisconsin's defense was gashed a number of times, their secondary struggled with the OSU receivers, they had a lot of trouble slowing down dobbins etc and obviously the Badger O-line was beaten.

But, if they had a better QB maybe they would have ran the ball better. I don't think it's much of a secret that most teams look at this badger team and say "let's make Hornibrook beat us" That puts pressure on your O-line and LBs. The OSU LBs had their best game of the season because there wasn't a real passing threat. They were running downhill most of the game. If Wisconsin could have hit some big pass plays early, then it might have changed that dynamic, but it was just never there.

I think Wisconsin is very close to being a national title contender, but other than Russell Wilson they've lacked a dynamic playmaker at the most important position on the field. that doesn't mean you can't be successful program, they obviously win 10 games virtually every year, but to get over that hump, it's take more than just a great run game. and I'm sure people will say if Craig Krenzel can win a nat title so can Hornibrook. but that logic is flawed logic, as the teams winning Nat titles have 4-5 star talent all over the field, and usually when a team that doesn't have that talent breaks through it's because it has a stud QB. Va Tech came close with M Vick, the Auburn team with Cam Newton. Alabama it doesn't matter who's at QB, because they have studs at every other position.

I think Wisconsin is one of those programs with 3 star talent that could win a natty, but it's gotta get better QB play.