If Michigan doesn't at minimum win a Big Ten title next year, the criticism will be legitI'm with you. He's returning virtually every body. Only way it could've been sweeter is if he was able to get Mason Cole and Mo Hurst back. Other guys he's losing aren't that important because they just aren't that good.
If Michigan draws, say, Notre Dame? I believe that the waning interest in the Bowl Game will all of a sudden sky rocket.or Washington, USC, Stanford
Wow, I hadn't realized that Michigan didn't beat a single team this year that finished above .500.I think I saw Michigan and Missouri were the only bowl eligible teams to get there without beating a single team with a winning record.
All the more reason to care about a bowl game, I suppose.
I think I saw Michigan and Missouri were the only bowl eligible teams to get there without beating a single team with a winning record.And 3 of them were with the J'OKe QB starting. 4th was with the J'OKe finishing up the 2nd half after Peters got knocked out.
Granted Missouri also had some meh losses, while all 4 of Michigan's losses we're to top 15 teams.
They lose Hurst, maybe Winovich, but Gary is turning into the beast we knew he would and Soloman looks to be another outstanding inside guy.yeah, Winovich said he's not sure if he'll be back, but I have a hard time believing he's leaving just based on the fact that he's probably not going to be a big-time NFL draft prospect. If he came out after this year I'd think probably 4th round.
so, with 8 wins, Michigan had a weak scheduleI wouldn't say that the schedule was weak at all. @Wisconsin, Ohio State, and @Penn State are top 10 teams. Michigan State is a top 15 team and rivalry game.
Well you've gotten your wish it's either Peters or McCaffreyit's going to be Peters. McCaffrey the back-up.
With the old regime at UCLA moving on, Harbaugh should rehire Jedd Fisch back on as OC. Fisch's work with the offense was the lone bright spot on that otherwise catatonic coaching staff. Total Offense improved from 91st nationally to 21st. Bring Fisch back for a few years before he gets hired into a head coaching gig someday. The guy makes the most of anywhere he goes.I'm down with this 110%.
Kind of like tOSU with Ed Warinner.He may be the best OL coach in the country but it did not translate to OC.Gave him a promotion rather than lose him.In reality he could not focus on the line & the rest of the offense.I'd like to have him back in the trenches thoughdon't know why more of these coaches aren't content just coaching what they coach best. They have to try and make jumps to DC or OC or HC- and not everyone is cut out for those jobs. Nothing wrong with being a great position coach. I'd rather be a great position coach than a mediocre/piss poor OC/DC or HC. Too many of these guys don't know their own limitations.
Agree. PEters is the real deal. DPJ is going to unstoppable and T. BLack may be just as good. Great RBs coming back. MIchigan will be a major force next season, with the offense finally able to get some consistent production.Sounds like they are going 20-0.
Excellent corners and LBs coming back and some studs on the defensive line. They lose Hurst, maybe Winovich, but Gary is turning into the beast we knew he would and Soloman looks to be another outstanding inside guy.
don't know why more of these coaches aren't content just coaching what they coach best. They have to try and make jumps to DC or OC or HC- and not everyone is cut out for those jobs. Nothing wrong with being a great position coach. I'd rather be a great position coach than a mediocre/piss poor OC/DC or HC. Too many of these guys don't know their own limitations.I think it's natural to want a promotion, and it's not like you can't go back to that type of job if it doesn't work out. And you never know you aren't a good coordinator until you try, or that you aren't a good head coach. Nick Saban was a damn good DC, what if he decided not to risk it on a head Coaching job?
Sounds like they are going 20-0.Lol. Never said that, but I do think if Peters puts on 7-10 pounds, and gets first team reps in spring and fall, he will be the best QB at UM since Harbaugh arrived, and with the two WRs ( black and peoples-jones) they will have the run pass balance to be much more dangerous.
I think it's natural to want a promotion, and it's not like you can't go back to that type of job if it doesn't work out. And you never know you aren't a good coordinator until you try, or that you aren't a good head coach. Nick Saban was a damn good DC, what if he decided not to risk it on a head Coaching job?it's fine if they can go back to what they do best
Lol. Never said that, but I do think if Peters puts on 7-10 pounds, and gets first team reps in spring and fall, he will be the best QB at UM since Harbaugh arrived, and with the two WRs ( black and peoples-jones) they will have the run pass balance to be much more dangerous.I saw more flashes out of Peters in 4 games of action than I ever saw in all of Speight's playing time. Not saying Peters will turn into this amazing player- only time will tell- but he has more of the goods and tools to work with than Speight could ever dream of having. I don't know how good Peters can become, but I think he's already better than Speight. Simple eye test tells you that. He's way more talented and doesn't have dumb football player in him like Speight or O'Korn. Speight has dumb football in him- just not to the insane level that O'Korn has. I've never seen a dumber football player than O'Korn. Peters needs to develop and that OL needs to keep him from getting killed- but he will be more than adequate as the starting QB. Fans of other teams are severely over-estimating Speight's ability and severely under-estimating John O'Korn's level of suckitude.
Early prediction: UM/MSU game winner wins the east next year.
That's true everywhere in the professional world.called the Peter principle
Good employees get promoted until they are in it over their head, then they get let go.
Also rumored to be leaving or no 5th year:Bunting and Harris leaving is not surprising at all. They were both high level recruits that got passed over by younger players. Harris had serious injury problems with his hamstrings for 3 years in a row. Missed his entire senior year of HS and had to red-shirt in 2014 and missed most of 2015. Some pretty bad breaks for him. It's really hard to be away from actual competitive football for 3 years in a row and ever get back to where you were. Neither one of them were going to figure much into the WR/TE rotation next year.
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I will never get over Harbaugh losing AJ Dillon. THAT is what a Michigan RB should look like physically. Just a fricken bully.According to 247 he was ranked 407 best prospect.Man how wrong they can be.Wasn't real aware of him with the Akers/Dobbins recruiting war going on
According to 247 he was ranked 407 best prospect.Man how wrong they can be.Wasn't real aware of him with the Akers/Dobbins recruiting war going onThank ESPN's terrible recruiting rankings for that overall rating. 247 had him has a 4* and in their top 247 players overall, Rivals had him as a 4* just outside their top 250.
Dillon had a UW offer until he committed to Michigan. Then UW turned its attention to Taylor.tell you what whoever is scouting RB's for Wisconsin is on the money, because Dillon is an absolute stud for BC and so is Taylor for Wisconsin. Off the top of my head those are probably the two best true freshman RB's in 2017. Both will be playing on Sundays.
Harris leaving is no surprise. Hall- a freshman OL that was red shirting is though.He posted on Twitter he hasn't made up his mind yet. Granted, those rarely result in the kid returning, but it doesn't seem 100% yet
He posted on Twitter he hasn't made up his mind yet. Granted, those rarely result in the kid returning, but it doesn't seem 100% yetlooks like he's staying. Kinda weird situation.
Is Harris transferring to a real football school with great coaches where he can win a National Title?did he say that on twitter or something when he de-committed from MSU?
did he say that on twitter or something when he de-committed from MSU?Indeed he did, couple months before MSU won the Rose Bowl
Poor guy bought what Hoke and Shane Morris were selling him. Morris was just so bad at football and Harris was injured for 3 straight years. Never thought either would turn out like that.
Dawg fans mostly think Eason is staying at UGA, but who knows? He has not graduated and so would not be eligible to play next season at Michigan if he transferred. Supposedly Florida contacted him about moving, along with Fields.God I was so pissed off when Eason wouldn't give Michigan a look. I did hear a rumor from one of the Georgia 247 mods that Eason was looking at a couple schools to transfer to and Michigan was one of them. I don't think Michigan goes after Eason, unfortunately. I'd love to have him, but that probably isn't a fit for either side. If they go for a transfer it will be for a grad transfer who is eligible to play right away and who can battle with McCaffrey to be the back-up. Peters is going to be the guy in 2018. I think Eason should go to FCS, play right away and dominate. Flacco was a 1st round pick out of the FCS. Eason lights up the FCS in 2018 and 2019- he'll be a 1st round pick too.
Eason would have one year left if he declared for the draft.
QB play is very important for elite level teams. Duh.
whatever happened to program players who stuck around for depth/special teams?They are definitely few and far between, particularly at QB. If a guy gets passed by a younger player, he's most likely gone. Damion Terry was asked that in an interview this year, and said he has no regrets, and he's happy he's a Spartan for life. His career certainly didn't go the direction MSU fans thought it would, when he impressed the moment he stepped on campus, and during the Maxwell-O'Conner-Cook QB debate early in 2013, a healthy segment of the fan base figured Terry was the future, pull his redshirt and let him learn on the fly, since none of the other three were any good. But he's definitely the exception.
I guess I can understand why most of these guys are leaving, they want more playing time. But if they have a fantasy they are going to go somewhere else be stars and then get drafted- well it's just that, a fantasy.
Eason to Michigan never made a lick of senseWould've made sense in 2016 to come in as a true Frosh. Rudock was leaving, job was open and Eason was physically ready to play as a freshman.
Would've made sense in 2016 to come in as a true Frosh. Rudock was leaving, job was open and Eason was physically ready to play as a freshman.Yeah, I mean the transfer "rumors" never made a lick of sense. If you are leaving due to losing PT to a freshman starter, why would you transfer, sit out a year, to be in the exact same situation?
Now? Makes no sense. Eason has to sit a year and Peters is the guy until he loses it. I don't think he loses it. Peters can play. He needed development. Peters played like 4 different sports in his HS career, wasn't a year round football kid and didn't have private QB coach in HS like a lot of kids do these days. Came into Michigan skinny beanpole of a kid, added like 15 lbs, probably needs to add like 10 more then just maintain that size.
Yeah, I mean the transfer "rumors" never made a lick of sense. If you are leaving due to losing PT to a freshman starter, why would you transfer, sit out a year, to be in the exact same situation?Eason is better than Fromm IMO. Eason was the starter, he gets injured, Fromm goes in and they just kept winning and Kirby was stuck between a rock and a hard place. Fromm just kept winning and if it ain't broke- don't fix. No need to mess with the team chemistry when you're like 10-0 ranked #1. They're 11-1 and one win away from winning the SEC and a playoff spot. If they do pull off the upset- hard to say Kirby made a mistake sticking with the Fromm. AIN'T BROKE DON'T FIX IT!!! Lol.
Urban Meyer called Michigan's "No. 73" (Maurice Hurst) "the best we've ever seen at that position." Also cited Rashan Gary and "No. 90" (Bryan Mone) for superb play. "But we kept leaning on them, leaning on them, and finally we got a big run."Hurst should've been starting last year. They rotated a lot more guys last year because they had more guys. They need to rotate more in 2018 to keep em fresh.
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Seems like Michigan against the USC-Stanford loser in the Holiday is pretty likely.very likely we'll see Michigan vs. South Carolina in the Outback bowl in Tampa. Per college football reporter Brett McMurphy- formerly of ESPN - until they fired him in those huge rounds of layoffs last year. Still breaking stories despite being unemployed. Impressive.
very likely we'll see Michigan vs. South Carolina in the Outback bowl in Tampa. Per college football reporter Brett McMurphy- formerly of ESPN - until they fired him in those huge rounds of layoffs last year. Still breaking stories despite being unemployed. Impressive.Apparently UM resisted the Harbaugh/Shaw thing, if USC loses tonight, there's still a chance at it, but it sounds like the Big Ten and TV partners backed down from what they initially wanted. Being on NYD is better, but playing Stanford in the Holiday is a million times better than South Carolina in the OUtback.
I'd rather play South Carolina. I feel like Michigan owes them payback for that game with the Clowney hit on Vincent Smith.They are also pretty awful. More beatable opponent? Easily. UM-Stanford in Cali with Harbaugh-Shaw has some juice. UM-South Carolina in Tampa? Blah
They are also pretty awful. More beatable opponent? Easily. UM-Stanford in Cali with Harbaugh-Shaw has some juice. UM-South Carolina in Tampa? Blahwe owe them pay back, want an easier game. It's meaningless bowl. Don't need a slobber-knocker with a physical Stanford team. Those guys need to be healthy going into spring ball.
I'd much rather see my team in the Holiday, unopposed on TV, than in some NYD game against an SEC-E also-ran.well I don't really give a rats ass about bowl games unless it's the Rose or a playoff, so I'm all for going to Tampa. That 5* OT Petit-Ferrire who lives down the street in Tampa will be able to hop in the car and attend Michigan bowl practices and get passes to watch the game. That little extra recruiting bump is worth it alone if you ask me.
we owe them pay back, want an easier game. It's meaningless bowl. Don't need a slobber-knocker with a physical Stanford team. Those guys need to be healthy going into spring ball.Put steel in your spine :57:
Not a lot of faith in Peters
Not a lot of faith in Peters4 scholarship QBs for 2018 as it stands now. I don't think Harbaugh thought Speight would leave. Malzone was 4th string next yr behind Speight, Peters, and McCaffrey had Speight returned. I think it was expected he'd leave.
5 ships is plenty in the QB roomAgree. I do think one of them is a candidate to move to DB though (talking about UW here).
but, if that's what it takes to get a great one, ya gotta do it.
Patterson and Eason both had interest in transferring to Michigan. Michigan didn't really pursue either. That's all changed in the past couple weeks. In regards to Patterson. Still not likely to talk with Eason.Nobody like that is transferring to compete for a starting job. No coach is recruiting transfers to compete for a starting job when he has an incumbent, if he is happy with that guy.
They just lost 2 scholarship QB's. Malzone was sort of expected, but Speight was out of left field.
Speight was told he was going to have to compete with Peters for the job, he felt it should be his, didn't want to do it. He wants a guarantee start, it's his last year and he has NFL pipe dreams.
McCaffrey is going to be a good one, but he's still rail thin. He's realistically still probably another year away physically. He came in at 174 pounds. He is 6 foot 4 plus. That's rail thin at that height. He's added size but he's still got a lot more to add.
They'll go after Patterson but only if he can get a waiver to play right away. Open comp between he and Peters and may the best man win, loser is the back-up.
Nobody like that is transferring to compete for a starting job. No coach is recruiting transfers to compete for a starting job when he has an incumbent, if he is happy with that guy.Harbaugh ain't no coach lol. In that interview Speight did with Detroit 7 ABC he said Harbaugh made him compete with O'Korn and Peters for the job in 2017 and didn't know he'd be starting until the day before the Florida game. Reason why he's transferring right now. The way he sees it, he has 1 year left to be the guy and play his way into a potential NFL Draft pick. Probably didn't want to risk losing a competition, or winning competition and then getting yanked if he struggled. Either scenario would likely kill what little NFL shot he has.
I think they should stop with the transfer stuff and just develop a QB they already have. Why use up snaps on a transfer who might not pan out?depth. they need a guy who can play right away this year. They're going into 2018 with two playable QB's. Peters and McCaffrey. Should always have 3. Michigan lost Speight to injury in 2017 and went through 3 different QB's this year. What if disaster struck again? Wouldn't be able to play 3 in 2018 as they'll only have 2 that Harbaugh would consider playing.
Ever since Russell Wilson, schools are trying to find the next one. Hell, even mine tried it again and we know how that went.
UW has 4 scholarship players at QB right now; A Sophomore (starter), a RS Fr, and two true Fr. One more recruit is coming for next year.
I don't want them to even thing about a transfer, unless it's Keller Chryst (grad transfer) from Stanford, who could somehow develop into a QB coach or something. I think that runs in his blood.
5 ships is plenty in the QB room5 minimum.
but, if that's what it takes to get a great one, ya gotta do it.
Ever since Russell Wilson, schools are trying to find the next one. Hell, even mine tried it again and we know how that went.Patterson is a talent for sure, but he hasn't proven anywhere close to what Russell Wilson did before transferring. Totally different situations really. Patterson was a hot-shot recruit, but he's started about 9 games of football. Wilston started like 34 games at NC State. Wilson wasn't that heavily recruited, but he proved it on the field. He was the best QB in the ACC for maybe 3 years in a row and he came real close to all of Phillip Rivers' school records. Might've broken some of them had he stayed 1 more year.
No coach is recruiting transfers to compete for a starting job when he has an incumbent, if he is happy with that guy.also- Michigan wasn't recruiting Eason or Patterson to transfer. Those guys were thinking about Michigan, but Michigan wasn't reciprocating that interest. Georgia 247 mods said as much about Eason. And Sam Webb shot down Patterson rumors weeks ago when it was rumored that Patterson wanted to come to Michigan. Family is from Toledo, big Michigan fans and he wants out of Ole' Miss. The change with Patterson on Michigan's end only came very recently after Speight and Malzone both decided to transfer. They weren't recruiting him- he was recruiting them. If he wants to come- how do you turn that down? Don't think you can.
Shea Patterson: “I had dreams of playing in the Big House.”
— Dennis Dodd (@dennisdoddcbs) May 30, 2017 (https://twitter.com/dennisdoddcbs/status/869657053278744576?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
also- Michigan wasn't recruiting Eason or Patterson to transfer. Those guys were thinking about Michigan, but Michigan wasn't reciprocating that interest. Georgia 247 mods said as much about Eason. And Sam Webb shot down Patterson rumors weeks ago when it was rumored that Patterson wanted to come to Michigan. Family is from Toledo, big Michigan fans and he wants out of Ole' Miss. The change with Patterson on Michigan's end only came very recently after Speight and Malzone both decided to transfer. They weren't recruiting him- he was recruiting them. If he wants to come- how do you turn that down? Don't think you can.If you are happy with your starter, no, you don't. Add some random mid major grad transfer for depth? Sure. Bring in a new starter, when you ended the previous year with a freshman incumbent? No thanks. Unless, like I said, Harbaugh doesn't like what he's seeing from Peters
If you are happy with your starter, no, you don't. Add some random mid major grad transfer for depth? Sure. Bring in a new starter, when you ended the previous year with a freshman incumbent? No thanks. Unless, like I said, Harbaugh doesn't like what he's seeing from PetersBring in a new starter? Harbaugh doesn't strike me as a guy who guarantees anyone a starting job. Patterson doesn't strike me as a kid who thinks anybody can beat him out. He was the Elite 11 MVP, #1 QB in his class, Army All-American Bowl MVP, and he transferred to that football factory high school in Florida filled with 4* and 5* kids IMG Academy for his senior year of high school- wasn't afraid to compete with other 4* QB's on that roster.
Bring in a new starter? Harbaugh doesn't strike me as a guy who guarantees anyone a starting job. Patterson doesn't strike me as a kid who thinks anybody can beat him out. He was the Elite 11 MVP, #1 QB in his class, Army All-American Bowl MVP, and he transferred to that football factory high school in Florida filled with 4* and 5* kids IMG Academy for his senior year of high school- wasn't afraid to compete with other 4* QB's on that roster.It's his NFL future we are talking about. A kid like that isn't transferring anywhere to do anything but be the starter. He'd be an idiot to do otherwise. I think waiting so long to finally pull the trigger on Peters when everyone saw how bad O'Korn was, and then this, tells me, that in spite of what he showed in three games against terrible teams, there's something he's showing in practice that Harbaugh isn't liking.
The kid is all but begging to come to Michigan. I don't see how you turn talent away. Bring in the talent and may the best man win.
Bring in a new starter? Harbaugh doesn't strike me as a guy who guarantees anyone a starting job. Patterson doesn't strike me as a kid who thinks anybody can beat him out. He was the Elite 11 MVP, #1 QB in his class, Army All-American Bowl MVP, and he transferred to that football factory high school in Florida filled with 4* and 5* kids IMG Academy for his senior year of high school- wasn't afraid to compete with other 4* QB's on that roster.Does he have to sit a year?
The kid is all but begging to come to Michigan. I don't see how you turn talent away. Bring in the talent and may the best man win.
Does he have to sit a year?right now he does, yes. He has to request and be granted a waiver from the NCAA to play right away. If they reject him- he'll have to sue them to try and be eligible to play right away.
It's his NFL future we are talking about. A kid like that isn't transferring anywhere to do anything but be the starter. He'd be an idiot to do otherwise. I think waiting so long to finally pull the trigger on Peters when everyone saw how bad O'Korn was, and then this, tells me, that in spite of what he showed in three games against terrible teams, there's something he's showing in practice that Harbaugh isn't liking.I don't know man. Think you might be reading too much into the situation.
I agree with bringing in talent every year. That's expected. You don't bring in a transfer at QB unless you have a problem.
Yeah I agree. But you also have to manage a roster. You don't bring someone like that in to do anything but be the starter, and you don't bring in your 2018 and 2019 starter as a transfer unless you don't care if Peters and/or McCaffrey transfer.Agree ELA. It sends a horrible message to guys your recruiting.
If you know he's better than those guys, than you absolutely do it. If you don't, then no way would I.
if they can really trade Speight for Patterson- that's a talent upgrade at the most important position there is on the team.I agree. It makes no sense for Patterson, unless he was made guarantees. Which is why I assume they were.
If Peters or McCaffrey don't want to compete, they don't want to compete. I doubt either one is built like that though.
As that SB Nation Michigan blog reported, Patterson followed Peters on twitter and Peters followed him back- they were eachothers most recent follows. My guess is they've already been talking about Patterson coming there and competing. They obviously know each other from the Elite 11 and Army Bowl where they were both on the West team.
Makes less sense for Patterson to transfer to Michigan than it is for Michigan to take him. If he did come he wouldn't be handed that job, he'd have to win it. And I don't know if he would over Peters. Patterson is still recovering from an MCL and PCL knee injury that required surgery and he'd be way behind in Peters in that playbook. His best bet would probably be to go somewhere that'd guarantee him a starting job if he has NFL aspirations. Or to just stay at Ole Miss.
I agree. It makes no sense for Patterson, unless he was made guarantees. Which is why I assume they were.Eh. That's not Harbaugh's style to guarantee starting jobs on the recruiting trail or even to incumbents on his own team. If Harbaugh wouldn't guarantee Speight his job going into 2017 or even for 2018 after Speight told him hey coach I'm leaving, boy I just have a hard time thinking he'd guarantee Patterson a job.
Now that makes sense no matter whatYah he's a plug and play starter at tackle then probably off to the NFL as a 1st round pick.
Free agent seasonsupposedly 10+ Ole Miss players have lawyered up, trying to get eligible to play right away. That would be all the underclassmen. Because all seniors-to-be can already leave without having to get the waiver, they are eligible automatically, they don't need lawyers.
supposedly 10+ Ole Miss players have lawyered up, trying to get eligible to play right away. That would be all the underclassmen. Because all seniors-to-be can already leave without having to get the waiver, they are eligible automatically, they don't need lawyers.Should be able to afford good lawyers with how much they all got paid to go there.
Ole Miss could be looking at 15 or more kids jumping ship.
Might as well try and take the ones you like/can get.
Should be able to afford good lawyers with how much they all got paid to go there.Lmao. Truth.
MSU fans have wanted a change to bring Enos home for a while. The only thing that could make them madder that MD hasn't would be him going to Ann Arbor.yeah, I'm with you. Not sure he's the best play-caller, but he's a heckuva coach. Develops players and can recruit his ass off. No word yet on what position he'd be filling, just that he's met with Harbaugh.
I'm not sold on him as a playcaller, but he's got everything else.
Defense is fine and has been fine last two years. As long as Don Brown and Greg Mattison are there together, almost doesn't matter who else is coaching on that defense. Offense is a mess though.Yup those are mainstays.Long as M can feed those two something to work with no worries there.Wasn't Drevno the O-line coach?Move him back if so if he'd take it,wish Warriner had stayed with the O-line in C-Bus
yeah, I'm with you. Not sure he's the best play-caller, but he's a heckuva coach. Develops players and can recruit his ass off. No word yet on what position he'd be filling, just that he's met with Harbaugh.I will say, he might be just what Michigan needs as a playcaller, a little more vanilla. Question is if that gets them a win or two more a year, but can't help them against the best of the best, how much help is it?
I'm of the opinion that Harbaugh needs to make a huge shake up on that offensive staff. Defense is fine and has been fine last two years. As long as Don Brown and Greg Mattison are there together, almost doesn't matter who else is coaching on that defense. Offense is a mess though. I'd love it if they could get rid of Drevno and trade him for Enos. That's a win. Drevno is in over his head as the OC and he's considered one of the weaker recruiters on the staff. And I'd also love it if Jim's son Jay could be either re-assigned from RB's to a different position or go work for his uncle in the NFL so they could bring in Mike Hart to be the RB's coach. I think Mike Hart would absolutely crush it as the RB coach and he would recruit his you know what off.
https://twitter.com/UMichFootball/status/938849867585253381/photo/1I'm really glad that this game is back on the annual.
Michigan opens next season in South Bend against Notre Dame at night.
I'm really glad that this game is back on the annual.me too! Absolutely love that series, and even when both teams were pretty bad they still had some memorable games.
September just didn't feel right without it.
me too! Absolutely love that series, and even when both teams were pretty bad they still had some memorable games.
Not glad that it's a night game in South Bend to open the season, especially since the last time the game was played in 2014 it was in South Bend. Michigan should've demanded Notre Dame come to Ann Arbor.
sounding like QB Shea Patterson, S Deontay Anderson, and WR Van Jefferson are all pretty close to a done deal. Will take something unforeseen to make that fall through. Anderson and Patterson need to apply for waivers for immediate eligibility, Jefferson doesn't need one as he is eligible to play right away.Good pick ups. Not confident they can all be eligible. They would have to sit a year under normal circumstances- and what happened at their school doesn't really give cause to change that.
That team will have basically everything it needs to compete in the playoff in 2018. It will all come down to shoring up the OL and the all-out QB battle between Patterson and Peters. Harbaugh needs those guys to push each other and get the absolute best out of both of them.
On defense everybody returns except Mo Hurst and Mike McCray. That is if Winovich stays, which I am inclined to think he will stay. He's not exactly a big-time NFL prospect like Little Bosa. Luiji Villain and Donovan Jeter were suppose to be in the 2-deep on DL this year, but both got hurt in fall camp and redshirted. I suspect they'll both get into that rotation in 2018. Gary, Mone, Solomon, Winvoich is your probable starting front 4. I think the only guy this year who locked up a back-up role with his play on that DL this year was the true frosh DE Kwity Paye. Rest of the spots are going to be wide open to competition. Long and Hill your returning starting CB's. I'd bet dollars to donuts that Ambry Thomas over-takes Brandon Watson as the nickel CB. If Deontay Anderson is eligible my guess is he'll put Josh Mettelus on the bench. Devin Bush the starting MLB, Hudson the starting "Viper/LB", and my guess is Noah Furbush taking over for McCray. They should have a really good defense again. Could potentially even be a ludicrous defense if Ambry Thomas can seize the nickel job from Watson and Anderson can relegate Mettelus to the bench.
They'll have so many talented TE's and WR's on offense and Higdon/Evans is as good a 1-2 punch at RB as Michigan has had in years. It'll all come down to fixing and developing that OL and finding a real life QB between Patterson and Peters. Huge piece to that OL comes back in the spring. Grant Newsome is going to be cleared for practice in spring, and we'll see if he can regain his form from the 2016 season when he was developing into maybe the best LT that they had in years.
Good pick ups. Not confident they can all be eligible. They would have to sit a year under normal circumstances- and what happened at their school doesn't really give cause to change that.well WR Van Jefferson is eligible to play right away as he was part of the 2015 class.
I think it would be a mistake to let them play, as it just turns the NCAA into a big free agent joke.
Good pick ups. Not confident they can all be eligible. They would have to sit a year under normal circumstances- and what happened at their school doesn't really give cause to change that.When Penn St was hit with sanctions they had a good RB who transferred to USCw.Forget the kids name but he did not have to wait it out.Perhaps same-same here
I think it would be a mistake to let them play, as it just turns the NCAA into a big free agent joke.
When Penn St was hit with sanctions they had a good RB who transferred to USCw.Forget the kids name but he did not have to wait it out.Perhaps same-same hereNone of those kids had to wait it out at all. Maybe that's precedent for these kids? Who knows.
How long was PSUs initial bowl ban?think PSU's bowl ban was 4 years. Which meant that literally any player on the team could transfer and be eligible right away.
The rule is if the bowl ban is the length of your remaining eligibility, then you can transfer immediately.
If you want to change the rule, ok. If you don't, there's zero reason to grant a waiver in this circumstance. If you grant a waiver here, then you have to change the rule.
To be honest, I don't get the rule. If anyone thinks these kids didn't know what was going on, they are only fooling themselves. The entire roster knew, and I'd be shocked if all of the rats jumping ship now didn't get paid too.
A crazy thing I've noticed - many people who have lots of money do everything they can to continue to pile on more.yeah, no.
I don't know a single thing about any of those situations, but "they already have money" means nothing.
Kind of agree ELA,perhaps there should be a caveat for this particular type of circumstance.The coaches bolt, Pete Carroll & Chip Kelly come to mind.With no real reprisals while recruits/players are shackled to a sinking ship.There has to be a fair middle ground.That or printed out in bold type - tough titty when the L.O.I. is signed - JMOyeah this is a good point, heard that SEC weasel Finebaum bring it up. Basically said Freeze was fired in disgrace but he could go anywhere and be an offensive co-ordinator no problem but any kid that wants to leave Ole Miss that isn't a senior has to apply for a waiver. Just doesn't seem right.
Patterson should be as good as former Hawkeye and Houston starters Rudock & O'Kornhuh? what?
I'd rather just see Harbaugh recruit his own kids and develop them. Seriously. Enough with the transfer thing. Just make you're own already. We all know he can do it.He had to take Rudock that first year. If he didn't take Rudock, they go 7-6, not 10-3 that first year. Speight was nowhere near ready to be a starter and Morris was horrible.
You watch.. McCaffrey is gonna be an excellent WR and maybe even a return guy. Seems to me they are already recruiting over him at QB.I actually kind of agree with you. McCaffrey is way too small right now to be a QB. If McCaffrey took that kill shot Peters did by Van Ginkel he'd have been broken in half. Peters and DCaff are similar height, both north of 6'4 pushing 6'5. But Peters is pushing 220 lbs. McCaffrey? He reported to Michigan at 170 and word is he's not even 190 right now. In all honestly McCaffrey probably should have never been rated as highly as he was. Saw him in that Army Bowl and his arm strength was really lacking compared to the other top prep QB's there. Think a lot of that ranking had to do with his last name and what school he picked. McCaffrey is really athletic and long though, and he played WR in high school before he switched to QB- so WR could just be where he ultimately winds up.
I know it's early still, and time will tell. I just have a gut feeling on him.
I don't see the NCAA doing Coach Harbaugh any favors by granting immediate eligibility to Patterson or any other non-senior Ole Miss transfers. Whatever happens it will be an improvement.we'll find out here pretty soon. I guess any players transferring are going to try to say that Hugh Freeze and Ole Miss lied and misled them to believe that the NCAA investigation had nothing to do with Freeze and his staff but were all related to Houston Nutt. A lot of the players trying to transfer have hired the same lawyer that Houston Nutt hired to successfully sue Ole Miss and Freeze. Nutt proved in court that Freeze/Ole Miss was lying. Ole Miss admitted this in court and settled with Nutt for millions of dollars. Freeze/Ole Miss was trying to pin it all on Nutt, when Nutt had nothing to do with it. Players who are trying to leave just might have a case.
Isn't that the reason people go to Ole Miss in the first place? Lazy admissions and booster handouts. The real world is a cruel place.yeah, but I'm just wondering how bad those two kids' grades/class schedules must've been like. Patterson cleared admissions just fine. He must've taken his academics a lot more seriously.
Doubt there is any rift between Harbaugh and Admissions. He's dealt with this before at Stanford. Better they go somewhere else where they can cut it academically like OSU rather than fail.there's a big difference between Stanford and Michigan, and also a big difference now in Harbaugh's rep/profile as a coach now than when he first got to Stanford. He was an up and comer when he got to Stanford. He's an established, high profile coach now who wields more power than he ever has.
I dunno man. The impact that change of strength coach in Madison is noticeable. Like, a lot.I'm not saying it doesn't, matter. Obviously it matters. I just think it's so overblown by fans on msg boards. At this level, most teams are going to have really good S&C programs. And if they don't, I think that's actually kind of rare.
Damn Tolbert gone
Sounds like Mike Hart is doing a pretty good job on the trail and at coaching for IU. He's only been there a short time though.that would be a dream come true and home run hire if Jim did it. I don't know if they've ever buried the hatchet and made up, but there was some bad blood there for awhile. There is going to be a 10th coach allowed starting next year. He'd be an excellent choice. They need to make major coaching changes to that offense.
"That's a guy I have no respect for," Hart said. " I don't know if maybe he wants to coach here and he's mad because he didn't get a job. He's not a Michigan man. I wish he'd never played here."Right, but that was after Harbaugh said his stuff.
Yeah, but wasn't that started by Harbaugh himself, with his denigrating comments on Michigan's educational programs for athletes?He basically just said Michigan isn't different. They have the same programs where you can hide athletes, like most other programs, but you can't do that at Stanford. That much is true. Most of UM's football team every year is majoring in no preference or General Studies.
What did mike Hart major in?don't know, don't care.
Ben Herbert hired as S&C coach. Spent 11 years at Wisconsin and followed BERT down to Arky for last 4 years.HUGE hire for Michigan.
Ben Herbert hired as S&C coach. Spent 11 years at Wisconsin and followed BERT down to Arky for last 4 years.Wow. This is why this forum is awesome. I hadn’t even heard this. Great hire.
Wow. This is why this forum is awesome. I hadn’t even heard this. Great hire.Herbert was responsible for the strength on the OL that UW once had and is trying to get back to. He's a Badger through and through (4 year DL and two time Rose Bowl Champion), but he'll do great things for Michigan. Trust me on that.
Michigan is in grave danger right now.Agree. The offense is as bad as the defense is good. It’s honestly very difficult to be a fan right now. QB and receiver play was awful all season and play calling was just bizarre.
Trips to Rome ain't gonna get it done.
https://twitter.com/RedditCFB/status/947934162782183425Now that is laugh out loud funny there.
Michigan is in grave danger right now.The Rome trip is actually a pretty darn good example. I am fine with a trip like that, but it should be earned. Meritocracy and all. Going on a little adventure like that without proving yourself leaves a lot to be desired. I actually never thought I would be questioning the toughness of a Harbaugh team, but I kind of am. And I do wonder if things like Rome have something to do with it. On top of coaching changes, it should be a head down and bring your lunch pail to work type of off-season. The less headlines, the better in my book.
Trips to Rome ain't gonna get it done.
Really?Didn't see half the game but the kid has talent.Not familiar with White/Rison they be talented too but DPJ maybe needs to be coached upMadison will welcome him for that.
Canada is an excellent coordinator when he's given complete control. I'm not sure that would work in Ann Arbor with the HC being an offensive guy and the nepotism in the room on top of that.He was amazing at Pitt
I saw Canada operate with his hands tied by Bielema in Madison. In the CCG, he said "F it, I'm gone anyway and I'm gonna call what I want to call, when I want to call it."
70 points later, he was gone.
Sounds like he is having similar issues at LSU.
He probably needs to be at a place where the HC is a defensive guy that will give him the keys and not look over his shoulder (like Bielema did to him).
How was his short tenure at Pitt? Did Nards let him run with it there?
I know that, but was he left alone to do it or was Nards involved too? That's the big question. He needs control.Can't imagine Narduzzi was overly controlling on offense.
I know that, but was he left alone to do it or was Nards involved too? That's the big question. He needs control.It was all him.
It was all him.Some defensive-oriented coach is gonna get himself one helluva coordinator if Orgeron is really that stupid.
I saw some more Enos to UM as OC picking up steam this morning. He's a good coach, great recruiter, but as the head of my offense, he can't even carry Canada's bags.
If Enos ends up at UM I'd be disappointed, but would much rather he be there than Canada.Agreed, and it's not even close.
Canada is an excellent coordinator when he's given complete control. I'm not sure that would work in Ann Arbor with the HC being an offensive guy and the nepotism in the room on top of that.this.
Drevno is making $1 million per year. That's some pricey offensive bull crap.USA Today has both he and Pep making $1.15 Mil.
Any legs to the Mattison rumors on the Michigan boards?Heard or read nothing along those lines. I would not expect to hear about any coaching changes until February.
Having said that Brandon Justice tweets that Michigan will hire Cincinnati's Al Washington to coach running backs.Good hire. Anything is better than the kid coaching that position.
https://twitter.com/brandonbjustice?lang=en (https://twitter.com/brandonbjustice?lang=en)
Good hire. Anything is better than the kid coaching that position.Not so fast my friend.
Any legs to the Mattison rumors on the Michigan boards?What rumors?
If Enos ends up at UM I'd be disappointed, but would much rather he be there than Canada.I think I'd rather have Enos. Canada is a little overrated imo. Doesn't play well with others and not sure he can recruit at a high level.
What rumors?
I did see an interview he did a couple weeks ago with the 247 Michigan site where they asked him about retirement and he said not any time soon and that he's got a lot of gas in the tank.
Mattison might just be the best DL coach in the game. He and LJ Sr are probably tops. Seems like they can take anyone and turn them into real players.
I think I'd rather have Enos. Canada is a little overrated imo. Doesn't play well with others and not sure he can recruit at a high level.He can recruit, but as a playcaller, he's lousy.
Enos will recruit his ass off. Michigan has an offensive staff filled with guys who flat out can't recruit. Pep Hamilton hates it, Drevno is bad at it, Jim's kid is middling at it. The only guy who can recruit at a decent level is Greg Frey and he's off to FSU.
Bruce Feldman says Michigan will hire Dan Enos.if Feldman says it's happening, it's happening.
https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB (https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB)
If players following and out-of-work OC on twitter isn't an indictment on Drevno and Pep, I don't know what is.Rumors from the "insiders" are that Hamilton is gone. Drevno probably gone but that's not 100%. Need them both to leave. Drevno would be a solid OL coach if that's all he was doing was coaching OL's 24/7. He's a bad co-ordinator and a horrible recruiter, so even if he is a solid OL coach- the whole recruiting thing is a big negative for him. And at this point it's like- why take a demotion to OL coach? Would just be awkward. Didn't work out here- have some dignity and just move on Tim.
He can recruit, but as a playcaller, he's lousy.sounds like Pep is gone. Drevno more than likely gone.
If I'm Michigan, I don't need an elite recruiter. Hoke was pulling in top classes while losing. Michigan could pull in a top 25 class without trying. I'd prefer the playcaller, and that's Canada by a long shot. Either one is an upgrade though.
Agreed. Also might lend some credence to the rumors that him and Dantonio had some major falling outI don't know if I buy the whole Dantonio/Enos fall-out.
The RB that the Michigan head coach wanted to be an LB (AJ Dillon) was just named to the freshman AA team by the FWAA (Taylor too, and the UAB kid).ugh. Don't remind me. Harbaugh should've just promised him he'd play RB and never mentioned LB. Only move him to LB if he didn't work out at RB. Which obviously he would have given the year he just had.
Unless they really, really thought they had Harris. Dillon is great, but let's be honest, nobody thought he had that in him, or he would have had more offers. Harris looked even better last night than Dillon though. I know the lines are very different, but he was doing stuff on his own that was just scary for an 18 year old.Dillon had a committable Wisconsin offer (so that should mean something in itself) when he chose Michigan after visiting Madison a few days before. By the time he figured out he was being messed with and de-committed from Michigan in December, UW had already moved on and took Taylor (in November). In fact, most of his other options moved on. December is too late to start looking again. BC was his only real option at that point.
Unless they really, really thought they had Harris. Dillon is great, but let's be honest, nobody thought he had that in him, or he would have had more offers. Harris looked even better last night than Dillon though. I know the lines are very different, but he was doing stuff on his own that was just scary for an 18 year old.They did think they had Harris. But you don't have anyone until that LOI is signed.
QB Eason from Gerorgia just announced his transfer to Washington. Would've liked to have him in the future Michigan backfield; seems like Harbaugh lost out if he didn't try for an Eason transfer. Or if he did, as Eason was in a close recruiting relationship with Harbaugh before Georgia signed him.Why would Eason have considered that with Patterson already coming in and McCaffrey and Peters on the roster? If you are transferring away for PT reasons, you aren't going to transfer somewhere that's still far from home, where you still wind up possibly as the third string QB.
Not high on the current vanilla state of Michigan QBs going forward.
ELA, Getting Eason isn't so much about what's good for Eason, but more so about Michigan getting what's good for Michigan.Well yeah, every school should want every good QB. Obviously adding every good QB is good for Michigan...or any other school.
I was hoping Harbaugh could work his crootin' magic and land another QB by maybe spending the night amongst the gym sneakers and discarded yellow lunchables boxes of Eason's dorm room floor.
Point is we shouldn't be at this point going into Harbaugh's fourth year, where the QB position is such an uncertainty that even with the stable full we might as well be drawing straws. If that's what it's come to' might as well add another straw.
Plus, I'm not too optimistic on Peters. IMO he's injury prone, and when one-dimensionalized by opposing defenses, quits.
In Peters defense I think he'll be bettered with solid competition for his job, which Speight and O'korn were hardly.
Seems like it's just an analyst spot, weird. I'm guessing he doesn't too much enjoy working for Fleck, for this to make sense.2nd coach to bolt in less than a week. Probably more to follow.
Some chatter Warriner might actually end up with the Titans. Ryan Day also rumored to end up there under new coach Mike VrabelSeeing the same.
And now Sam Webb reporting Enos considering an offer from Alabama and there might be a bidding war?Leaving to be Associate HC and QB coach for Bama
Huh?
Evan Petzold @evanpetzold 1h Dan Enos' contract at Arkansas had a non-compete clause with other SEC schools (like Alabama) through Feb. 15, 2018. Going to Michigan for 17 days allowed Enos to avoid the agreement in his contract regarding other SEC schools. |
Still seems crazy af that Enos would take a job for 2 weeks then leave for Alabama. Who does shit like that?WOW,did Enos even sign a contract yet?If not then maybe he sees how things worked out for Kirby Smart.Still plenty of good coaches out there but that's bizarre
Seems like Warriner is staying though, and not jumping to the Titans.Hiring him and keeping Drevno makes no sense. Drevno should've been out on his ass, Warriner should've been named sole OL coach, and Enos should've been named Co-Oc and given more than $175k per year. Harbaugh f####ed this ish up bad.
so the trip to France isn't part of Spring football - doesn't count towards practice days - just a vacation?I think they use less than their full allotment of practices in AA, then use the balance in Europe.
yeah, talked my daughter out of that follyI did an internship abroad, and I think it was the most useful experience I had in 7 years of higher education.
but, hey, if UNL was paying for everything........... She'd be silly not to go
Confirmation now; Drevno out. Now things are starting to play out a little more favorably. Love the Warriner hire and now he can slide in to O-Line Coach. Still need to understand who is going to be calling the plays with this staff though.I would guess Pep Hamilton with Harbaugh in his ear.
great move for Michigan.All of this
Drevno was in over his skis. McElwain was a mediocre OC. Drevno was horrendous.
Ed Warriner is a hell of an OL coach. McElwain will do a better job than Drevno. That's an upgrade at two spots if you ask me.
Still should have gotten rid of Pep Hamilton. Really won't matter who the OC is though if Harbaugh won't yield some control. It's still his offense at the end of the day.
great move for Michigan.Pains me to admit it but hell yes.Wish he would have stayed in C-Bus in that capacity.There was no going back after being bumped up to O.C. however.He has taken TE's,DL's or anything off the scrap heap and turned them into good/great O-Linemen.Hopefully he forgets how he did it
Ed Warriner is a hell of an OL coach.
The worst case for UM would be if Jay lands in a play calling role, or even in a game planning role. It could still happen.that would be horrible, but don't think that's the case here.
You have to love it when UM uses Ohio State Players to recruit.I don't get why Buckeye fans think this is a big deal. It is not.
https://www.landgrantholyland.com/2018/2/28/17064074/ohio-state-football-michigan-twitter-ed-warinner (https://www.landgrantholyland.com/2018/2/28/17064074/ohio-state-football-michigan-twitter-ed-warinner)
I don't get why Buckeye fans think this is a big deal. It is not.Oh don't think Urbs will mind that Harbaugh is recruiting based on the success of Urbs' players.
Did he coach and develop those players or not? End of story. If he didn't then yeah, call him out. But pretty sure he coached and developed them all. Dude worked wonders with Ohio State's 2014 OL. Was a bunch of young, inexperienced guys who played like crap to open the season but by the end of the season they might've just been the best OL in the nation.
Ed Warriner is a hell of an OL coach. It's recruiting. He's got to sell himself to young impressionable HS kids. That's all it is. Not a big deal. At all. Did he develop and coach those OL or not?
Oh don't think Urbs will mind that Harbaugh is recruiting based on the success of Urbs' players.Doesn't bother me. If Warinner can fix Michigan's years long OL problems I wouldn't care if he's the illegitimate son of Woody and Urban.
I don't get why Buckeye fans think this is a big deal. It is not.I don't think it is a big deal. I just love the irony of Michigan using Ohio State players to recruit. Of course, you use it if you are Michigan, but as an Ohio State fan I find it entertaining.
Did he coach and develop those players or not? End of story. If he didn't then yeah, call him out. But pretty sure he coached and developed them all. Dude worked wonders with Ohio State's 2014 OL. Was a bunch of young, inexperienced guys who played like crap to open the season but by the end of the season they might've just been the best OL in the nation.
Ed Warriner is a hell of an OL coach. It's recruiting. He's got to sell himself to young impressionable HS kids. That's all it is. Not a big deal. At all. Did he develop and coach those OL or not?
Michigan has Washington on the schedule for each of the years that they cancelled VT (20/21).It has me wondering if they're giving themselves a break in 2020 and making room for the Irish on the 2021 schedule.
2019 DE Gabe Newburg of Clayton, OH has committed to Michigan. 6'5" 230 lbs and Michigan fan for life.His recruitment moved so fast, I never even saw video. MSU offered him like a month ago, and I think was his first P5 offer? He wasn't even rated by 2 of the services. Then Iowa came through a couple weeks later, then Michigan, and he was committed. We hardly knew ye Gabe.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/2018/04/02/ohio-three-star-de-gabe-newburg-commits-michigan/33498551/ (https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/2018/04/02/ohio-three-star-de-gabe-newburg-commits-michigan/33498551/)
It has me wondering if they're giving themselves a break in 2020 and making room for the Irish on the 2021 schedule.ND's schedule looks full that year. They have UW at Soldier Field too.
Michigan has Washington on the schedule for each of the years that they cancelled VT (20/21).Roughly 1-2 years back, there was scuttlebutt that Michigan was going to drop the UWash series. Of course I'd rather drop neither but if one was to go, they chose correctly. Junk replacement, though. I'd have preferred a directional Michigan school.
Michigan paying VT $350,000 to back out of their home and home, and instead will play a singular home game against...Arkansas State. UghJust saw this. Lame.
Who are the Big Dogs in the B1G?
Do M fans worry about the seemingly constant procession of transfer QB's coming on board?Not really. Obviously you'd like them to groom a guy they recruit and stick with him. Peters was suppose to be that guy but he was pretty bad against a mediocre South Carolina team in that bowl game.
Do M fans worry about the seemingly constant procession of transfer QB's coming on board?Sure. I think the worry is that there was a need for those transfers. Hopefully there is enough talent in-house now that Harbaugh can develop and the OL and pass blocking will function well enough to keep them healthy and confident they will live if they're on the field.
Sure. I think the worry is that there was a need for those transfers. Hopefully there is enough talent in-house now that Harbaugh can develop and the OL and pass blocking will function well enough to keep them healthy and confident they will live if they're on the field.That's part of what I'm thinking. But the other part is what it could do to hurt the recruiting efforts. Why would I go to Michigan as a QB, knowing the coaches bring in a transfer all the time? McCaffery could have gone to a lot of places last year, and he sat out thinking he'd compete for a job this season. If Patterson is approved and cleared to play, it sounds like McCarrery (and Peters) are toast for a couple of years. Ouch.
That's part of what I'm thinking. But the other part is what it could do to hurt the recruiting efforts. Why would I go to Michigan as a QB, knowing the coaches bring in a transfer all the time? McCaffery could have gone to a lot of places last year, and he sat out thinking he'd compete for a job this season. If Patterson is approved and cleared to play, it sounds like McCarrery (and Peters) are toast for a couple of years. Ouch.Well QB recruiting efforts don't seem like they've taken any hits. Harbaugh signed Joe Milton as part of the 2018 class, he was a 4* top 250 player from Florida. Michigan flipped a 4* QB/top 250 player in the 2019 class from ND in Cade McNamara. One of the top national 'crootin gurus over at 247 just put in a Crystal Ball for Michigan for a top 2020 QB prospect from Georgia in Harrison Bailey. Bailey is currently ranked as the #2 Pro QB and the #68 player in 2020, he's a guy that could push for 5* status when it's all said and done.
I get that Patterson* could be very good and all that, but Gentry, McCaffery and Peters were all 4* recruits. I understand Gentry was moved to TE, so he's out. Who is supposed to be developing the QB's? Malzone was a 4* too. What happened there, that he couldn't beat out Speight or anyone else? Is he still leaving the program?
* I'm still in "show me" mode with Patterson. He hasn't looked like a 5* recruit yet.
QB position was left pretty barren by Hoke & Co.Year 4 of current coach, gotta stop blaming last coach for problems.
Yeah, whatever. Rest assured, VT will be playing UW in 2024 and 2025, and PSU in 2020 and 2025. Purdue, Rutgers and Maryland are also on future schedules for them.FIFY.
So, you'll get to see your favorite [target for B1G expansion] play against B1G schools as you wish. :PDT_Armataz_01_37:
FIFY.Try again.
But only PSU will get national exposure.
Cool to see 4 games vs. Maryland.
Bummer the TTUN canceled.
Try again.Rutgers? Purdue? Really? You think fans outside of normal fan bases really care that much who VT is playing in 2024? Or Disney will put those games into a prime time slot?
So is Malzone still leaving then?I believe he's transferring to Miami (OH). Alex is not listed on Michigan's spring rooster.
I believe he's transferring to Miami (OH). Alex is not listed on Michigan's spring rooster.Right. I believe because it's a grad transfer, and he won't graduate until May, it's not officially official yet. But he's going to Miami.
So, Wilton Speight. Is he really Chip Kelly's kind of QB?terrible fit. At first I thought it had something to do with Jedd Fisch being at UCLA. Then I remembered he took an NFL job.
Year 4 of current coach, gotta stop blaming last coach for problems.QB position isn't an easy fix. RS frosh/true frosh are rarely ready enough to play. Especially in a pro-style system like the one Harbaugh/Pep Hamilton are trying to run. Harbaugh was left with trash in Morris and Speight and had to seek out transfers from O'Korn and Rudock to try and stabilize the position. Before NSD 2015 he had like a month on the job to find a HS QB. That class he let Hoke's QB stay on board and he went out and found Zach Gentry who was more ATH playing QB in HS than refined pocket passer. His first real recruiting class he landed Peters who just finished his RS frosh year and the next class he landed McCaffrey who redshirted as true freshman. This class he landed Joe Milton who will be a true freshman. QB's take time to develop, man.
I'm on episode 2 of All or Nothing.Gary is a budding superstar IMO.
I'm really liking seeing the players as people past football. Except for interjecting the moms with what seems like "reality tv" type drama; Gary's Mom "Don't you ever say you don't have a father." Gary "I havn't seen him sense before High School." - Sounds like his dad hasn't been around for 6+ years, why we having this tear inducing drama? Oh the camera man is right over there, thanks.
Does Harbaugh have knee problems? his walk bothers me like he is constipated, or has an injury that makes him walk awkard.
QB competition in Ann Arbor just heated up. Whoever wins will be good. Michigan may be good enough to contend if they can find a serviceable OTNot sure there's a real competition. Shea Patterson is QB1.
Any chance that Peters announces a transfer (after the France trip, of course)??Not sure. I doubt it to be honest.
Illinois QB Jeff George Jr. is transfering to Michigan. Will sit out this year then have two years eligibility left. Kind of thought Michigan was set for QBs.That's...weird
Seems like a waste of a scholarship. Kid lost his starting job at Illinois. Sort of like the kid they took from Houston.It could be "and" on this one. Two transfer QB's in one year. Surprised they didn't go for three with the kid who went to NU.
I'm guessing Harbaugh knows Peters and/or McCaffrey is transferring. Otherwise it makes absolutely zero sense. Unless he's walking on.
Seems like a waste of a scholarship. Kid lost his starting job at Illinois. Sort of like the kid they took from Houston.Sounds like this is the case
I'm guessing Harbaugh knows Peters and/or McCaffrey is transferring. Otherwise it makes absolutely zero sense. Unless he's walking on.
Sounds like this is the caseThat's what his old man did at Illinois. He left Purdue after one year, committed to Miami and then to Illinois.
Sounds like this is the caseYeah, it never occurred to me that people would call this one controversial. Aside from not occupying a scholarship, he'll almost certainly not even be in the top four of the depth chart. So this can't be about the depth chart. I wouldn't even wager it's about adding a warm body to the roster. I think it's about giving the kid of a sort-of-friend a shiny graduate degree and improved chance at entering the coaching profession.
It's that time for baseless rumors about Week 1's Game Day location. I may have watched the show two or fewer times across the last twelve years, but because hype has utility I'll admit I continue to hope they pick Michigan games.Looking at the list, I'm surprised Notre Dame hasn't hosted it more. 8 times, tied for 11th with MSU and Wisconsin.
This time, I'm guessing the top options are either Auburn-Washington (neutral: Atlanta) or ND-Michigan (South Bend). The former will have better combined AP/Coaches ratings. The latter will secure more eyeballs.
Meanwhile, while I don't believe the past predicts the future when the matter is of such small sample size and the mechanism this indirect, I also don't hate that Michigan is 5-1 v. ND with Game Day present (Ws: 1994, 99, 03, 11, 13; Ls: 1998) and would be glad to tack another on.
Also, although ND has hosted surprisingly seldom (8), they have been hosted a lot (20), for sixth in the rank.Actually, maybe not so surprising, considering those Notre Dame home games are likely NBC games, and ESPN is less likely to promote a game they won't show (which is also working against this one). I know SEC fans complained about that for a long time, although once ESPN and the SEC tightened their relationship through the network, they became more willing to take the show to a CBS game. Not so for NBC.
I considered that, but only qualitatively (sometimes Game Day does attend Fox, NBC and ABC games). I don't doubt you're correct that even if they do show games they won't air, they do it less often.I'd also be curious to break it down by year. My take is that early on it was truly the best game. That over time it became the best game on ABC/ESPN, which was very ingrained from 2006-12 after they made the ABC Primetime Game an weekly occurrence. Then I suspect it tilted back a little bit beginning in 2013, after the announcement that spring, of the ESPN-SEC Network.
Of course it would have to be normalized for the fact that ESPN airs more modern CFB games than anyone else to begin with. Guess Id like to see a side-by-side of, e.g., Top 25 games since 1993 by broadcaster and see how the GameDay breakdown by broadcaster compares. No doubt it's tilted. But a quick search showed that it would be challenging to assemble the data, so...I won't.
Greene is pretty tuned in. He gets a lot right so it wouldn't shock me with this kid. I just think a RS year is good for OL and DL if at all possible.agree 100%. OL's and DL's should redshirt. Unless you have a DL like Bosa or Gary who you know is just going to be their for 3 years and then off to the 1st round- then there's no point in redshirting them imo.
A RSF at 6-6, 302 can look a whole lot different than a true F.
Chickens are nervous animals,Heh. I read that too.
Heh. I read that too.Haha. Mgoblog called it a crypto-Lamarckian perspective. I liked that.
nice fluff piece article from Michigan247 site on RS Frosh LT James Hudson.I can't take that leap. I don't think any offensive lineman has more potential than Cesar Ruiz - much less one who hasn't started yet. I also think Hudson is a promising prospect, full stop.
https://247sports.com/college/michigan/Article/Michigan-football-coaches-excited-by-offensive-lineman-James-Hudsons-special-potential-120211482/
Hudson was a 4* recruit from Ohio, came in as a DL and was flipped to OL almost immediately. Bill Greene- one of the top Ohio guys at Scout/247 loved him as an OL recruit said he was special, thought he was just OK at DL. Lots of the "insiders" have said he's the most talented OL on the team for the past year plus. Apparently up to 6'6, 302 lbs. We'll see if any of that hype comes to fruition this fall.
Greene is pretty tuned in. He gets a lot right so it wouldn't shock me with this kid. I just think a RS year is good for OL and DL if at all possible.James Hudson had his redshirt OL year in 2017. He might be ready. But first he'll have to beat out a couple guys. Those guys (Bushell-Beaty and Stueber) may not be as physically impressive, but they also may know the nuances better. Should be a great Fall battle. If you believe Shea is a lock, then this is by far the most important battle remaining on the whole team.
A RSF at 6-6, 302 can look a whole lot different than a true F.
5 pre-camp predictions.I'd call #1 and #3 locks unless something weird happens.
1) Shea Patterson will win the QB job.
2) Aidan Hutchinson will crack the two deep and be in that DL rotation as a true frosh.
3) Ambry Thomas will be the nickel CB and essentially get starter minutes. Michigan will have the best 1-2-3 punch at CB in the conference with Hill-Long-Thomas.
4) starting OL will be Juwann Bushell-Beatty at LT, Ben Bredeson at LG, Cesar Ruiz at C, Mike Onwenu at RG, and John Runyan Jr at RT.
5) Nick Eubanks will leapfrog Sean McKeon. He's just way more talented than McKeon. He was ahead of McKeon early but got injured last year which let McKeon get all those minutes. Eubanks and Zach Gentry on the field together in two TE sets could be a nightmare for defenses.
I'd call #1 and #3 locks unless something weird happens.Donovan Jeter, Lawrence Marshall, and DIB have all moved inside. Who are the guys ahead of Hutchinson at WDE or SDE? Guys with little or no experience themselves- true soph Kwity Paye who barely played last year and RS Frosh Luiji Villain who was hurt last year and the incredibly mediocre Carlo Kemp. Hutchinson is going to be too good to keep on the bench. Villain is still rebounding from an injury and Kemp honestly kinda sucks. After the reports of his play during the Army Bowl practice and his performance in that game- I'd be surprised if Hutchinson doesn't leapfrog Kemp & Villain.
For Hutchinson, I'm excited about him, but whether he goes weak or strong side, his path to the field is crowded. I really doubt he hits the two-deep. But with the new redshirt rules, he will still get plenty of snaps.
For the OL, I think that's a really great interior. However, Spanellis may beat out Onwenu. Along with JBB/Hudson, that's the last true OL battle remaining (Bredeson, Ruiz and Runyan are the lockiest locks).
For McKeon, maybe. But I liked him last year. Eubanks has seniority and athleticism but he hasn't been productive yet (I get it though - injuries). In any event, I'm really excited to see Gentry in an offense with a real QB. That opportunity was stolen from us last year.
I keep thinking Michigan has great RB depth, but they keep recruiting as if they don't believe it themselves. I think Karan Higdon was great last year and that, sure, Chris Evans can't hold up as a bell cow but at 12-18 snaps per game, he's perfect in the role of lightning. And then they have Samuels/Turner/Haskins/Taylor/Barrett.Higdon should have a big SR year and Chris Evans is electric as hell and if they ever learn to use him properly he could be a big star on the college scene imo.
Anyway, Keegan Jones from the 2018 class was set for Navy but changed his mind and it appears Michigan wants him seriously...though he would be a grayshirt as he could not enroll until January.
And since Michigan is now at 83 or 84 scholarships, they definitely have the room.
That's right, if you have Charbonnet and Gray joining Evans (presumably Higdon hits the draft), O'Maury and Barrett plus some other guys, why put such a premium on Keegan Jones?well they did just lose a RB in Kareem Walker. And I'd bet that Kurt Taylor probably leaves as well. Barrett very well could wind up on defense.
The answer is onviously because they know more than I do...but what is that exactly? Are they down on Samuels? I don't get it yet.
Yeah those are the guys I think Hutch is behind - Kwity, Vilain and Kemp. Of those, I bet he'll have the easiest time passing Kemp, who seems smart enough but is also just a guy so far, physically. I think Vilain will be healthy and is primed for a breakout.Paye and Villain are probably more weakside ends. Both of them have high ceilings but Paye is like completely new to football and played really poor competition in HS and Villain is rebounding from a nasty leg injury. Hutchinson is 6'6, 265. Few more lbs and he'll be perfect size for the strong side. Carlo Kemp was the lowest graded player on Michigan's entire defense on PFF. I believe they had him graded as like a 39.3 on a scale from 0-100. He just isn't all that good. He's better off as a 3rd stringer than he is a 2nd. Kemp had also been splitting reps in practice on the inside at tackle this spring. I really think Hutchinson will have zero problems blowing past him.
James Hudson had his redshirt OL year in 2017. He might be ready. But first he'll have to beat out a couple guys. Those guys (Bushell-Beaty and Stueber) may not be as physically impressive, but they also may know the nuances better. Should be a great Fall battle. If you believe Shea is a lock, then this is by far the most important battle remaining on the whole team.Warinner will probably work wonders with these guys if they're half way decent.OL not OC is his calling
Warinner will probably work wonders with these guys if they're half way decent.OL not OC is his callingsounds like he's already helped those guys on that line out a lot.
If I'm wrong, the outlook for Michigan is amazing, but I can't yet imagine anyone except Carlo Kemp as Gary's back-up.Mattison has said Kemp has moved inside.
Rumor is Wheatley Jr. did not put the work in over the Summer and is over 300 lbs. looking like a OT or DT.Yeah sounds like he's an OT now but refused to switch. He has always battled his weight. Will he transfer or just be done with football?
Wheatley looked over 300 last year. The big TE loss was Asiasi last year. He fit the system so wellyeah Asiasi was a blocking machine and surprisingly nimble for a 6'3, 275 pound guy. He was the best blocking TE on the team by far. Really sucked to lose him.
ND has a really good OL. It will be interesting to see them match up with the UM DL.Didn't they lose their top two OL early in the draft.
A great defense travels.Always? ;)
ND has a really good OL. It will be interesting to see them match up with the UM DL.Um didn't ND lose 3 OL starters? 2 of which to the 1st round of the NFL draft. Didn't they also lose Harry Heistand- their great OL coach of the last 6-7 years to the Chicago Bears of the NFL as well?
Didn't they lose their top two OL early in the draft.Yes, but I read that the backups were pretty tuned up. Quinn is an excellent OL coach in his own right.
Always? ;)Michigan D will be a lot better this year imo.
(https://mediaassets.wxyz.com/photo/2017/10/21/GettyImages-864810662_1508640900341_69418837_ver1.0_640_480.jpg)
Yes, but I read that the backups were pretty tuned up. Quinn is an excellent OL coach in his own right.big difference between being a back up and a starter and then having to face Rashan Gary and Chase Winovich week 1. Michigan DL will have something it lacked last year- depth- which should only make Gary and Winovich better seeing as they'll be able to be more fresh down the stretch.
I am a little surprised by the Michigan - Notre Dame line. Last I checked Michigan was now favored by 2 points. It moved a lot over the offseason. I think it started with Notre Dame as a 6 point favorite. Notre Dame lost a lot on offense, but they are at home and they return 9 or so defensive starters.ND betting fan base is just as big if not bigger.
I would typically say Michigan is getting the typical large fanbase, helmet school inflated expectation bump in the betting line, but Notre Dame usually gets that as well.
From Don Brown today: "Carlo Kemp we've moved full time inside."They had no choice but to move him inside imo. He's not athletic enough to play outside. Plus I think Aidan Hutchinson would've beaten his ass in a truly open competition for backup SDE. Mattison loves Hutchinson. Practically gushes about him. That kid is a future NFL draft pick if he stays healthy- on the other hand Carlo Kemp has zero shot at being an NFL draft pick.
So step on up, MDot, for a tip of my cap.
Eddie McDoom has left the team.Expected Kekoa Crawford to leave. He was an outside WR that was getting beaten out by Black and DPJ.
Means a RB, 3 WR and a TE from the 2016 class are now gone.
I predicted McDoom would transfer. After his true freshman year (when he was very creatively deployed on productive gadget plays), he disappeared. Began to fall further and further on the chart. It's too bad. His stadium cheer was incredible.Maybe throwing him repeated red zone fade routes was a bad idea?
Maybe throwing him repeated red zone fade routes was a bad idea?Ya those fade routes in the end zone with him made zero sense. He's 5'11 and is more of a speedster than a leaper.
Although it seems like opponents also had his one trick figured out. He averaged 10.0 ypc as a freshman, and only had one carry longer than 9 yards as a sophomore...it went for 12
Will he ever play again? I had thought I'd read that he was still hopeful.He's still trying to comeback, but he'll never play again imo. He nearly lost his leg from that injury.
Preseason fluffers: PFF poses whether the best defense in the nation is MichiganMichigan's defense should be better this year than it was last.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUtgQaaI-i4&feature=youtu.be
At the very least, you have a good starting spot if all three levels of the defense bring two solid candidates for an All-American season.
Yes, once again that defense will be sick.Yeah, some people were down on Michigan's D last year for some odd reason. Pretty sure they finished top 5 across the board in every defensive stat despite replacing 9 starters from 2016 and having an absolute putrid offense.
Now imagine how effective they will be when allowed to be fresh and with offensive points as a buffer- because the offense is also having consistent success?
That’s exactly what I foresee this season. Several reasons I feel that way, including the return of Black at WR, the further maturation of DPJ (making for a true deadly combo), the addition of Patterson , and the biggest reason IMO, the addition of Ed Warriner.
Anyone notice that Jon Runyan is listed as 6'5" and 310 on the fall rooster? Looking every bit like an OT. JBB is 6'6" 316, Hudson 6'5" 301, and Stueber 6'7" 323. IF Michigan develop two serviceable OTs from that group it could be very good year."insider" over at Mgoblog umbig11 saying that RS Frosh James Hudson and true frosh Jalen Mayfield have both been getting a lot of reps with the 1's at LT and RT. Coaches experimenting right now with a lot of different OL combos trying to find the best 5. He also added some observers (idk what he means by this- maybe former players watching the practices?) feel like Jon Runyan Jr is going to win the LT job and that he's the best athlete among the OL's. He also said the two practices he saw that the best starting 5 appeared to be Runyan-Bredeson-Ruiz-Spannelis-Mayfield- and that the only certain starters are Runyan, Ruiz, and Bredeson. Have heard that from other sites/sources- that Spannelis has made a move at guard and Mike Onwenu's conditioning is still a problem.
He's tied to my hip...On where he feels he is right now:
He wants to be great...
I'm trying to be that big brother... If you mess up on something, short memory.
Eating better. Working on the little things....Greg Mattison on Aidan Hutchinson:
Wearing contacts now. Seeing the field better... I wish I had done that sooner.
Anyone notice that Jon Runyan is listed as 6'5" and 310 on the fall rooster? Looking every bit like an OT. JBB is 6'6" 316, Hudson 6'5" 301, and Stueber 6'7" 323. IF Michigan develop two serviceable OTs from that group it could be very good year.I did. Though many roster measurements seem like nonchalant lies to me these days.
"insider" over at Mgoblog umbig11 saying that RS Frosh James Hudson and true frosh Jalen Mayfield have both been getting a lot of reps with the 1's at LT and RT. Coaches experimenting right now with a lot of different OL combos trying to find the best 5. He also added some observers (idk what he means by this- maybe former players watching the practices?) feel like Jon Runyan Jr is going to win the LT job and that he's the best athlete among the OL's. He also said the two practices he saw that the best starting 5 appeared to be Runyan-Bredeson-Ruiz-Spannelis-Mayfield- and that the only certain starters are Runyan, Ruiz, and Bredeson. Have heard that from other sites/sources- that Spannelis has made a move at guard and Mike Onwenu's conditioning is still a problem.That came from ChatSports.com. ChatSports is a fraud that preys on narratives fans want to read and then writes them without evidence or insider info. If that's true of Hudson and Mayfield, then it is a sheer lock that ChatSports landed a lucky guess.
umbig11 also saying that Patterson is the clear front runner at QB. Peters and McCaffrey in a battle for QB 2. The true frosh Joe Milton has taken a slide, he hasn't really picked up where he left off when he had a great spring. Grant Perry and DPJ have been lights out at WR. Zach Gentry is killing it- the best TE on the roster. And Ambry Thomas is the fastest/most athletic guy on the roster and he's pushing the CB's hard.
That came from ChatSports.com. ChatSports is a fraud that preys on narratives fans want to read and then writes them without evidence or insider info. If that's true of Hudson and Mayfield, then it is a sheer lock that ChatSports landed a lucky guess.no that actually came from umbig11. he posted all that on Mgoblog yesterday in a thread. he said Chatsports stole some of that info from the Michigan Rivals board- where umbig11 posts most of his info.
We can be absolutely sure that Yoder (ChatSports) doesn't know ANYTHING beyond what you and I know from following free message boards.
Yeah, the hype train has left the station on Hutchinson. I know I'm becoming more convinced. Holy moly if it ends up true.the hype on him started to get loud during the week of practice in the Army Bowl where he was facing some of the top HS OL prospects in the country and dominating them in practice. Rivals and 247 both had him listed as one of the top performers all week in practices. Then he went out in the game and dominated. 247 shot him up in their own rankings from the 240's to like #80 overall just based off that Army Bowl week.
the hype on him started to get loud during the week of practice in the Army Bowl where he was facing some of the top HS OL prospects in the country and dominating them in practice. Rivals and 247 both had him listed as one of the top performers all week in practices. Then he went out in the game and dominated. 247 shot him up in their own rankings from the 240's to like #80 overall just based off that Army Bowl week.He had a weird trajectory. When the first 2018 ratings came out in 2015 or whatever, way too early, he was the top recruit in the state, then he slipped over the next couple years, then had really good AA circuit last year as you said, and shot back up. I'm usually wary of those guys, as it usually means they look best in shorts, but then he played well in the game, and the early returns seem to match.
He's got the blood lines, and he was a guy that Mattison scouted early and wanted badly, and I'll always trust Mattison when it comes to d-linemen.
"insider" over at Mgoblog umbig11 saying that RS Frosh James Hudson and true frosh Jalen Mayfield have both been getting a lot of reps with the 1's at LT and RT.That was the crazy recruitment, where all of the CBs kept flipping back and forth. Thinking that one is going to keep smarting MSU.
no that actually came from umbig11. he posted all that on Mgoblog yesterday in a thread. he said Chatsports stole some of that info from the Michigan Rivals board- where umbig11 posts most of his info.I checked his history. You're right.
I checked his history. You're right.Runyan might be 310, but he isn't 6'5. Probably more like 6'3 and change. Also doesn't have those super long arms you look for in a LT. He is the best athlete of the bunch by all accounts though and he backed it up posting the best testing #'s of all the OL's in the conditioning tests the staff put the team through. If he's a lock to start, that's probably because he's been the most consistent with his technique and made the fewest mistakes.
However, I think it is already outdated info though. He did say they were rotating with the first team for a while. Later, he noted that Warriner was experimenting with many combinations. And today he said Filiaga and Mayfield are outsiders behind JBB/Hudson and Onwenu/Spanellis for the remaining tackle (unknown whether L or R) and RG spots, specifying that Runyan was a mortal lock for one tackle spot (side, unspecified) and that Bredeson and Ruiz were certain locks for LG and C, respectively, too.
My thoughts? Runyan was NOT a popular starter option at tackle among message board fans through the summer. And since he doesn't have archetype height, I get it. But he sounds like the best technician and most playbooksmart of the tackles. And I trust Warriner. So I'm all aboard that experiment.
I even think Runyan could be our most compelling LT option. And, if Hudson beats JBB, I'd honestly like Runyan at LT even more. (For however primed Hudson could maybe be as a starting tackle today, I think starting LT is almost always too much for a RSFr.)
He won't be the most important this year, and I'm still doubting he even wins a CB spot over Long or Levert, since they have 1-2 years on him and are already among the best in the nation, but there's an argument to be made for Ambry being the best player on the entire roster, at least by the time every guy puts a bow on his Ann Arbor career.that's a bold statement right there. Ambry Thomas is definitely talented, but not remotely willing to go that far.
I know that comment about Ambry is bold. That's the point and definitely just a hunch. I'll stand on it and we'll see.Ambry is supremely talented. No doubt about it. I actually think they should play him at safety just to get him on the field. Also with his speed, ball skills, and man coverage ability he'd hold up in coverage better than say Josh Mettelus. Brown puts his safeties in man so much they almost have to have CB skills.
I'm still more excited about Paye/Vilain than Hutch, which is saying something.
As for Marshall and Mone, I don't want to get ahead of myself. I'm less trustworthy there.
Mone has always had difficulty stacking consecutive plays. But yes when he's a planet on a mission for one snap, he's superb.his weight and injuries have held him back from really breaking through. He's also had some pretty good guys in front of him.
https://twitter.com/FauxPelini/status/1031617940016312320Heh
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Grant Newsome officially calls it a day. Must be so disappointedYeah. That one hurts. And not just because it was so gruesome.
Uche may be great, but I reeeally don't think Michigan's LB cohort (Bush, Hudson, Ross, Singleton, Anthony, Gil) is lacking in terms of athleticism.Uche is a freak. The other LB's aren't 6'3, 240+ like he is and he's faster and more agile than every single one of them except Bush. Hudson isn't really a LB'er, he's undersized and more of a hybrid so I don't think that's a fair comparison.
At safety, I like the depth with Hawkins and JKP. But I also feel good with Metellus and Kinnel tacking on an extra year with Don Brown. Especially with everything Ambry can do when floating around in nickel packages.
That detail about Nico at WR is fascinating. I've been excited for him and am not fully in-line believing this rumor. But if it is true that he passed DPJ and/or Black, that's incredible. There are two camps on Jim McElwain at Michigan: that (1) he's a doofus HC and what are we doing or (2) holy crap, that's a tremendous WR coach hire and that we really lucked into his HC career tanking. Either way, I doubt he stays more than 1 year, and even if that, I'd even further doubt he lasts beyond 2. But if he gets back to his original chops and takes this chance seriously, this WR roster can really blossom.
And then for Hudson > JBB? Man I hope so. I don't know who would be better v. ND, but I am persuaded that Hudson has significantly more upside and would improve more as the season progresses.
Michigan has a lot of talent on offense much of which is largely unproven and/or did squat last year. Do I think they'll be better? Yes, but that's not saying much. If they can run the ball against the better Big Ten run defenses they may have something to contend with. If you're hoping a couple of underclassmen OTs bring this about you may be kidding yourself.I didn't think the run game was the problem last year. Even with a trash passing game, they ran more roughshod over the lesser and medium competition than any Michigan team I've seen in years. No doubt the productivity hit a wall against the top teams, but with the top 2 QBs injured, the season finished with truly no passing threat. Even elite rushing teams will hit a wall if the defense has the benefit of 9- and 10-man boxes.
Go Blue!
How are ticket sales going? Still strong?I haven't read, but I don't know why they wouldn't remain sold out.
I didn't think the run game was the problem last year. Even with a trash passing game, they ran more roughshod over the lesser and medium competition than any Michigan team I've seen in years. No doubt the productivity hit a wall against the top teams, but with the top 2 QBs injured, the season finished with truly no passing threat. Even elite rushing teams will hit a wall if the defense has the benefit of 9- and 10-man boxes.take away sacks and the run totals were just fine even against the better competition. Sacks shouldn't be counted against the rush totals imo. Should be the passing.
Well, like many/most schools, ticket sales are definitely trending down. That's why I asked - sometimes coaches are made to do these things like what is happening Saturday, whether they like it or not.I haven't heard any bad news about lagging ticket sales post Dave Brandon. I think the athletic department retains many seats to sell through StubHub and they vary widely in price. Section 1 tickets to the Wisconsin game were going for just under $500 each after StubHub fees a couple months ago.
https://mgoblue.com/sports/2017/6/16/tickets-fbl-index-html.aspx
I think the athletic department retains many seats to sell through StubHub and they vary widely in price.seems odd, any other programs selling tickets on-line or through brokers
Jeff George Jr. transferring after being in Ann Arbor for all of 5 minutes. That one never made a lick of sense. Why would he want to come there and be 5th string?That's what everyone said, but then it came out he was a walk on, and was basically a de facto GA, who wanted to be a coach
That's what everyone said, but then it came out he was a walk on, and was basically a de facto GA, who wanted to be a coachsounds like he's going to Pitt.
That's what everyone said, but then it came out he was a walk on, and was basically a de facto GA, who wanted to be a coachYeah, I can't tell for sure what happened. I'm thinking JGJr either flaked on his plan to be on the coach track or he had lied to himself about where he expected/insisted to be on the depth chart (I'd be shocked if he expected to be in the Top 4 though). Of course, I'm thinking that despite insufficient information.
Yeah, I can't tell for sure what happened. I'm thinking JGJr either flaked on his plan to be on the coach track or he had lied to himself about where he expected/insisted to be on the depth chart (I'd be shocked if he expected to be in the Top 4 though). Of course, I'm thinking that despite insufficient information.I can't think he thought he'd be higher than 4th. That's why before it came out that he was walking on, my suspicion was that McCaffrey and Peters were transferring, and Harbaugh just wanted a warm body to not be be forced to burn Milton's redshirt if Patterson got nicked. Because absent that, the move made no sense, for either side. The walk on thing made perfect sense...until this.
I can't think he thought he'd be higher than 4th. That's why before it came out that he was walking on, my suspicion was that McCaffrey and Peters were transferring, and Harbaugh just wanted a warm body to not be be forced to burn Milton's redshirt if Patterson got nicked. Because absent that, the move made no sense, for either side. The walk on thing made perfect sense...until this.Yeah. So we are guessing that either there was a falling out or he flaked(?)
Yeah. So we are guessing that either there was a falling out or he flaked(?)The name makes me think flaked, but that may be unfair to him.
The name makes me think flaked, but that may be unfair to him.Lol. That was my initial reaction as well. Apples don’t always fall far
Rumors are popping that Tarik Black, Rashan Gary, Karan Higdon and Sean McKeon are all injuredPoster on 11 Warriors said Black had broke his foot.last season Black IMO played better than DPJ & Nico Collins in limited opportunities.Nico I don't think played a whole lot.Regardless Black looked good.Hope it's not season ending - I was looking forward to watching him play
Sounds like Michigan will have an open practice Sunday night. That's very unusual for Harbaugh. What's the interpretation for giving the fans/media/opponent those kinds of kitchen scraps? I guess that he's feeling very good about things(?).I guess we'll get some answers on the injuries tonight. Not the severity, but at least their existence
Schembechler Hall confirms Tarik's injury. Severity remains unknown. Sounds like an MRI is scheduled today. Lots of discussion of a break. I think the odds that an MRI would even be ordered (or be important in deciding recovery timeline) if it were a true break is low. At least partly increments the odds of soft tissue injury or hairline fracture. Not that those can't be just as pestersome. Though the least among those will heal faster than most true breaks.Bummer news. Have to feel bad for the kid.
My point: lots of ifs. He could be back soon, mid season, next season, never, but mid season now looks most likely.
No word on Rashan, Karan or Sean. Will they be on the field tonight?
Shea looked exactly like I was hoping he would. The release from that video I posted a few pages ago is real. I've never seen that at Michigan. Of course the ball looks pretty, but I was way more interested in the placement. So consistent.Show me a big performance and fast release against MSU or OSU and I’ll be happy. Until that happens, it’s the same kind of hype we’ve had for a decade. I need substance.
Missing Black is still a big deal but unless this was a rare day for Shea, he could even make above-average receivers look v. good.
Shea looked exactly like I was hoping he would. The release from that video I posted a few pages ago is real. I've never seen that at Michigan. Of course the ball looks pretty, but I was way more interested in the placement. So consistent.people like to piss on the recruit rankings- and honestly they should- but there's a reason Shea Patterson was the #1 QB and #3 player overall in the 247Composite rankings. He is extremely talented. He was the best player in HS on a loaded IMG Academy team that's filled with blue-chip recruits. He won the Elite 11 MVP against 20+ of the other top HS QB's in the nation. He won the Army Bowl MVP playing against the top HS players in the nation.
Missing Black is still a big deal but unless this was a rare day for Shea, he could even make above-average receivers look v. good.
For years it was painful to see Michigan struggle against Mac teams. Great to see Michigan blowing them out again.Welcome back.
What kind of thread is this?One you would find on the ESPN comments section.
One you would find on the ESPN comments section.On a good day. People posting just to be a- holes.
For years it was painful to see Michigan struggle against Mac teams. Great to see Michigan blowing them out again.It’s the Lloyd Carr Way repeating itself: blow out the underdogs all the way to a New Year’s Day Bowl despite losing the most important games on the schedule every year.
It’s the Lloyd Carr Way repeating itself: blow out the underdogs all the way to a New Year’s Day Bowl despite losing the most important games on the schedule every year.Ha, FIFY. Let's not make it sound like either of those are a regularity!
I think the newer generation of Wolverine fans are finally seeing through it, that Michigan is more Iowa than Ohio State, except Iowawinshas won their division and beatsOhio State.
It’s the Lloyd Carr Way repeating itself: blow out the underdogs all the way to a New Year’s Day Bowl despite losing the most important games on the schedule every year.Lloyd Carr won the Big 10 5 times and also won a national championship.
I think the newer generation of Wolverine fans are finally seeing through it, that Michigan is more Iowa than Ohio State, except Iowa wins their division and beats Ohio State.
Lloyd Carr won the Big 10 5 times and also won a national championship.I really liked him. Probably the most under-appreciated head coach in my lifetime of watching college football.
I really liked him. Probably the most under-appreciated head coach in my lifetime of watching college football.I did too. I really liked how he carried himself. Ohio State bested him at the end of his career, but Lloyd has a very good run.
It’s the Lloyd Carr Way repeating itself: blow out the underdogs all the way to a New Year’s Day Bowl despite losing the most important games on the schedule every year.Lloyd Carr won a lot. We just weren't used to the new reality that it wasn't the Big 2 anymore, so he wasn't appreciated enough in his times.
I think the newer generation of Wolverine fans are finally seeing through it, that Michigan is more Iowa than Ohio State, except Iowa wins their division and beats Ohio State.
Carr gets a bad rap because UM's annual 4-loss seasons started under him.He had more than 3 losses only 3 times in an 11 year career.
He had more than 3 losses only 3 times in an 11 year career.Uhhhh, check again? He lost 3+ games in 10 of 13 seasons.
Uhhhh, check again? He lost 3+ games in 10 of 13 seasons.I think you should read my post again. If that doesn’t help, then read your original post.
My point stands. Thanks for your contribution.Well, your facts were wrong and so was your point. My contribution wouldn’t have been needed if your point was fair or accurate, which it was neither. But hey, the guy that points out wrong data is the bad guy right?
Don't we have a Michigan season thread?Yes. Feel free to merge this to that if it's possible. I don't know how.
Yes. Feel free to merge this to that if it's possible. I don't know how.It is, and it's better than the old boards, you don't need both threads to be located on the same page, so you don't need the old "Bump for Merge"
Watching this Wake Forest Boston College game with my Michigan fan cousins:yeah, don't remind me.
Me: This AJ Dillon guy is an old fashioned workhorse RB
Michigan Cousins: He was once commuted to Michigan. We have fast backs but no power backs. We could sure use Dillon this season.
The Sun Belt refs in the SMU game were terrible. Could not believe the replay refs buzzing down to the field to call Hudson for targeting. Not as bad as the 2005 Alamo Bowl so I guess they’re making progress.I didn't care as much about the targeting being buzzed down. Yeah, it's unusual that none of the refs on the field cared but the booth did, but it was a borderline play. I mean, the rules suck, but them's the rules, so...
Sounds like Vilain recently had a (knee?) operation. Also reported that St. Juste has been lost for the season. Bummer on both. Was important to get BSJ snaps for next year and Vilain is needed this year. I think Paye may be fine, but if not the DE depth is getting scary. Damn.feel terrible for him. Vilain was a boderline 5* guy in 247's own rankings. He was just 4 spots away from being a 5* in their rankings. And he was the #5 WDE and the #57 player overall in the 247Composite in that 2017 class. Big-time athletic talent. Injured his leg last year in fall camp got shut down for the year. Sucks to see him injured again this time his knee. They don't need him this year. But they'll definitely need him next. Would've been nice for him to get his feet wet this year. Even if he did, still think he'd be behind Paye and Hutchinson. Both of them look like big-time talents and both so young.
Sucks having no idea how good Vilain is. You could be right re: Paye/Hutch, though Vilain definitely had the best recruiting profile and feels like a major 2-year loss.I think Villain will wind up being a really good player. Just had some really unfortunate injury luck to start his career.
Totally different player than either Paye or Hutch, though.
Paye is really impressing me, btw. I thought he was going to be a pure pass rusher. But he's complete. Holding the edge really nicely, and flashed examples of those speed-to-power moves that are getting more and more popular versus Nebraska (popular because they don't risk one's edge responsibilities and really collapse the pocket [and when they get home, they make for just the most badass sacks]).
So glad his "injury" (hopefully it was just having his crotch stepped on - not fun, but also not longlasting) is being shrugged off as nothing.
This doesn't really belong anywhere else, but it blows the mind:Well now that people know donations to UM are really just a shelter to evade tax laws. :57:
Schlissel just announced (https://leadersandbest.umich.edu/5b?erid=30400776&trid=92a4cb30-c2e6-48f0-a245-ad6c7508bcce&efndnum=000000001274027810) that Michigan completed by far the most successful fundraising campaign in public university history. Five billion dollars. All donations.
"Of more than 382,000 donors, 94 percent gave less than $5,000, and more than half made their first gift to U-M through the campaign."
It's been 15 years to the day. Still remember many of the snaps vividly. Sorry Gophers.Kicked off the best weekend of college football I can ever remember
https://twitter.com/MVictors/status/1050014370942644225
Ha, nope. Navarre and Asad Abdul-Khaliq. Man, just typing those names is a blast from the past. Navarre was one of my all-time favorites. He didn't have the talent of guys who came after him, but he may be Michigan's most productive QB of the millenium. I didn't check a stat book for yards per year or comp%, so I might get some facts in my face for saying this.His career completion percentage of 56.1% trails only the following UM quarterbacks to follow him:
As for that OL, I don't know whether it's MSU or PSU but one of these will be the best defense they've faced since ND (and unless OSU really turns it around) the best they'll face until the postseason. The next two games are acid test time.Not sold on Penn State’s defense at all. That secondary sucks and it cost them a game. Lewerke was trying his best to give Penn State that game and those DBs just wouldn’t take it. Plus it’s a home night game for Michigan- and they seem to play much better in that situation than any.
Up front, I think that's absolutely true. It's MSU. Through the air, maybe no one (but PSU > MSU), though OSU has by far the most coverage talent. They just *seem* to be reeeeally missing Kerry Coombs (word emphasized bc it's my best guess).The question is Health. If you have to face a healthy Bosa, Landers, Jones and young- there will be no comparison to anything they have seen, including PRACTICE.
True about Bosa. My (partially educated) hunch is that he's out until the post season, but of course j haven't read his charts for that guess to be worth much. What do you think about Sheffield, meanwhile? All the talent in the world, but he seems to be consistently picked on for his mistakes whenever I view.You may be on to something with that Coombs observation. Sheffield is a track star with great hips, but often loses the battle for the ball because he does not turn his head. Seems to be a common thing for Arnette. And Okudah too. Rarely are they beaten by separation.
Drew Singleton leaves the team.Did he even see the field on defense last season?
Did he even see the field on defense last season?redshirted in 2017.
This is WAY weird. There's a chance that what Harbaugh said about his broken thumb was wrong and Stueber actually passed him by playing in the MSU game. V. (v., v., v., v., v., v., v.) weird either way. Seems absurdly impatient.huge loss. Sam Webb was saying before the season started that Hudson was right there with JBB and that it was Sam's OPINION that JBB would start the season and that Hudson would be the starter sometime before the season was over because he was just much more talented than JBB and that the fall camp battle was super close.
Also: bummer. I love Warriner and am no longer as prone to fretting about these things, but damn what a loss.
With the way JBB is playing no one is passing him on the depth chart if he stays healthy. If Hudson is leaving because Stueber was ahead of him on the depth chart that's just nuts. Maybe he just wants to play defense and the opportunity was not there? It sounds like Michigan is trying to keep him. We'll see how the soap opera plays out between the player-parent-coaches.I often wonder where the line is for these things to be reversed. Would be huge to keep him. I think we maybe beyond freaking out if he's gone but, uh, depth is good.
I'm reading about Shea's future. Whether he'll go pro or not (supposedly, this draft is very light on QBs). And how the rest of the season plays into that. Was reminded of 2015 when Ruddock transferred in. Performed at a level of "ok" then rocketed forward after the IDLE week. Shea has been far better than Ruddock to date, but he isn't perfect. Has a lot to work on. It's tempting to dream about what it'd look like if he grew into his potential to end the season. This is an-entirely-other level of team if he does.I'd be a little shocked if he left early. He just isn't ready. He needs to come back and really work on his game more.
I'd be a little shocked if he left early. He just isn't ready. He needs to come back and really work on his game more.100% separate question: If Shea takes off from here until the bowls ... and Black is back ... it could be tricky to attribute the added success to the right person. Even without Black, I think Shea is poised for a leap. With Tarik at full strength?
From Rashan's mom, summarized by mgoblog:Yeah, kind of what I said AC. Exactly what I said I think actually.
Gary details. Rashan Gary's mom decided to put all the cards on the table (https://twitter.com/LGhail/status/1055083652969828352) in re: Gary's injury. Executive summary: he got hurt before Notre Dame, aggravated it by falling on the shoulder in the Northwestern game, and was told that he needed 4-6 weeks for the injury to heal. Penn State is 5 weeks, Rutgers 6. He is not pulling a Bosa. The end.
Six weeks is the normal recovery time for a type 2 AC injury. That six weeks can be extended easily by re-injury and the severity of the injury increased by continued contact. He really needs to stay away from contact and upper body workouts for six weeks. After he's healed up, watch out Big Ten QBs.PSU is 5. Rutger is 6. Which makes for another funny time to say "Poor damn RU." But honestly if he's not 100% by PSU, that Rutger game isn't worth the risk. Especially with how Paye and Uche** are playing right now.