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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: ELA on November 24, 2017, 12:41:05 PM
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Winning this game would be the most Pitt thing ever
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I'm in
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If Pitt wins, the committee will have them ranked about 22, so Miami would then have a good loss on their record.
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and an even better loss when the Canes are beaten by Clemson!
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Apparently, waving your finger at the opposition is okay in the ACC.
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Who's more likely to blow their game?
Miami or TCU?
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Miami
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Ole Solich is really taking it on the chin, in the season Finale.
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Pitt does this like every ten years now - upset someone's downhill championship run? West Virginia fans still aren't over Wanny knocking them clear out of the BCS #2 spot in 2007.
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If Pitt pulls off this upset it helps clarify things and open a spot for someone.
With a Miami loss, I think that the ACCCG winner would still get into the CFP (even if Clemson lost to USCe, then beat Miami to finish 11-2) while the ACCCG loser would be a 2+loss non-Champion and obviously out.
That helps if you are ND, tOSU, USC, or WSU.
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Winning this game would be the most Pitt thing ever
or would losing this game be the most March Richt thing ever?
I was kinda on the fence about Miami. Still am if they pull off this game. They don't play consistently, they've had a lot of really close calls, and they thrive too much on the turnover. You aren't going to get 4 and 5 turnovers with 1 or 2 of those going back for TD's every single game. Just isn't sustainable. The turnovers have helped mask a pretty pedestrian offense. It's not a bad offense by any means, more like middle of the pack, mediocre. Not sure you can win a national title with that sort of offense unless you have a defense that is shut-down. I don't think Miami's defense is shut-down- they are more feast or famine- and when they feast on the turnover they are a bitch. But they give up chunk yards and big plays as well.
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If Pitt pulls off this upset it helps clarify things and open a spot for someone.
With a Miami loss, I think that the ACCCG winner would still get into the CFP (even if Clemson lost to USCe, then beat Miami to finish 11-2) while the ACCCG loser would be a 2+loss non-Champion and obviously out.
That helps if you are ND, tOSU, USC, or WSU.
or the sooners
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Ole Solich is really taking it on the chin, in the season Finale.
rough first quarter
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Pitt does this like every ten years now - upset someone's downhill championship run? West Virginia fans still aren't over Wanny knocking them clear out of the BCS #2 spot in 2007.
More often than that. They cost PSU the playoff last year, and put a big dent in Clemson's resume.
They are pre Dantonio MSU. Always underachieve, but seemingly once a year they do this.
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Miami has been playing this whole half like it's the final four minutes. No running game, too many deep balls with a QB with no accuracy today.
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Wow, Richt benches his QB 9 minutes away from a perfect regular season.
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well he's not very good, probably deserves to be benched.
No way Georgia allows it, but if Eason could get down to Miami to link up with Richt- look out. Eason should've followed Richt to Miami. He committed to Georgia in the first place to play for Richt- kid wanted to be the next Matthew Stafford. Remained loyal to Georgia, got injured as a true sophomore and got usurped by Jake Fromm.
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I wonder if ESPN will mention how much less meaningful the CFP has made this game?
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game over!
Pitt wins!
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Congrats to Pitt. Pre playoff would've been a deal breaker for Miami's season.
All they have to do is knock off Clemson next week and they are still in the playoff and in the MNC hunt.
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That's the Narduzzi defense we knew and loved at MSU. Jungle fever blitzing all day, aided by the constant coverage sacks.
And ballsy not just on the D, but that last 90 year drive showed a lot of guts too. On 3rd & Long with 6:54 and the announcers fixating on the clock and calling for a run, Pitt instead throws for the first down. Then of course the fake field goal.
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Never trust a Narduzzi defense to stop a deep ball
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The Rockets clinch the Mac West.
All Ohio Mac Ccg...
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Surprisingly good atmosphere for UCF-USF. I don't think I realized UCF stopped playing in a 1/4 full Citrus Bowl
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Bert up on Mizzou in the 2nd Qtr 21-14.Oh and Pitt won ;)
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I wonder if ESPN will mention how much less meaningful the CFP has made this game?
Very interesting point. The ACCCG is still a CFP play-in. The only difference is that now the ACCCG loser has basically no chance.
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Very interesting point. The ACCCG is still a CFP play-in. The only difference is that now the ACCCG loser has basically no chance.
It might just be a play-in for the 4th spot too, depending on what happens in the other Dr. Pepper games.
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Beautiful touchdown there.
Reminded me of Scott McBrien running the option during Ralph's tenure.
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This Nebraska-Iowa rivalry would be a good one to for both teams to start wearing their colored home jerseys, Red Vs Black. I see Arkansas-Missouri is doing the all-maroon Vs all-black.
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Missouri up 38-35 on the Fightin' Fat BERTS with about 10 mins left in the 4th.
Don't know if there's been a bigger coaching bust of a hire in recent memory. Not since maybe Rodriguez to Michigan? Compare what those guys did at their previous stops to what they did at their new and it's shocking.
BERT won 3 B1G 'Chips at Wisconsin and went: 12-1, 9-4, 7-6, 10-3, 11-2, 11-3, 8-5.
Goes to Arkansas and goes: 3-9, 7-6, 8-5, 7-6, and he's staring at 4-8 in the face in year 5.
Really think his hire to Arkansas was the biggest bust hire since Rodriguez to Michigan.
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This Nebraska-Iowa rivalry would be a good one to for both teams to start wearing their colored home jerseys, Red Vs Black. I see Arkansas-Missouri is doing the all-maroon Vs all-black.
I'd be all in for UW closing out versus UNL on Black Friday and moving Minny back to October, as was the long tradition. Minny and Iowa close out, which was also the long tradition.
The winner gets to wear all RED the following season.
Loser wears all white.
Winner is also granted the Big Red title.
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I'd be all in for UW closing out versus UNL on Black Friday and moving Minny back to October, as was the long tradition. Minny and Iowa close out, which was also the long tradition.
The winner gets to wear all RED the following season.
Loser wears all white.
Winner is also granted the Big Red title.
Not a bad idea. Not a bad idea at all.
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Mizzou up 44-42 on Bert with under 8 in the 4th.Man the wheels falling off for the 'Skers
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Miami used to have the same problem in the old Big East, where they would drop a November road game that they shouldn't, once the weather got cold up North.
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BERT falls to 4-8 in what is his final season in Arkansas. He'll probably land a DC gig somewhere.
He left Wisconsin with delusions of grandeur talking about national titles and how the SEC gives him a better shot to get the player required to win one. He was probably feeling himself a little too much for the success Wisconsin had. He found out the hard way that it's a hell of a lot harder to build a great program than it is to inherit a great program.
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Mizzou up 44-42 on Bert with under 8 in the 4th.Man the wheels falling off for the 'Skers
The final 48-45 winning score for Missouri masks how badly Odom outcoached Bielema, especially as the game drew to its conclusion. Even with the help of multiple late drive penalties against Missouri, Bielema botched the clock management, declining penalties that would've anyway stopped the clock he was trying to save, and most egregiously, keeping Missouri from scoring a goal line TD with under a minute left when the Razorbacks only hope was to get the ball back and hope for a tying TD drive. As opposed to letting Missouri milk the clock and kick a FG with only 6 ticks left. Pretty much sums up the disappointment of the Bielema era at Arkansas.
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SFU is beating UCF in the 4th.
If that score holds, Nebraska can make their coaching change this evening.
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Bert Fired!
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Bert Fired!
Did not take long.
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BERT falls to 4-8 in what is his final season in Arkansas. He'll probably land a DC gig somewhere.
He left Wisconsin with delusions of grandeur talking about national titles and how the SEC gives him a better shot to get the player required to win one. He was probably feeling himself a little too much for the success Wisconsin had. He found out the hard way that it's a hell of a lot harder to build a great program than it is to inherit a great program.
That is the one biggest thing I resent about him. The way he went out, telling his players that he had a better chance to win an MNC in the SEC and then later back-tracking and saying he just meant he was talking about winning and SEC title. What Evar dood.
He forgot about Bama, LSU, Auburn, etc. Credit to him for taking on a HUGE challenge, but he was bound to fail and he clearly has.
Shame on him for dissing The Wisconsin Process and his loyal players.
As his hot wife once twittered...
#Karma
And at the end of the day, UW is much better off with what they have now. So, it's all good in my world.
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Bert Fired!
Holy shit. So.. what do they do know?
Jerrie Andersen is looking for a job. Hah.
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https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/934204373105893376
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Shame on him for dissing The Wisconsin Process and his loyal players.
As his hot wife once twittered...
#Karma
And at the end of the day, UW is much better off with what they have now. So, it's all good in my world.
Since Jen Bielema tweeted #karma (https://twitter.com/hashtag/karma?src=hash) in September 2013 after Wisconsin’s controversial loss at Arizona State; Wisconsin is 50-12, Arkansas is 26-34.Edit I see ELA beat me to it but it's worth mentioning twice
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hOLY sHYT WHAT A BARN BURNER down UCF way
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Turn it on they're go yard with every possession.Tell you what winner of this game might belong in the Playoffs
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Game of the Year
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Wow. Great fricken game.
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SFU beefed it.
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Announcer said UCF is the 1st FBS program to go from winless to undefeated.Scott Frost is a popular & soon to be very rich man
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Turn it on they're go yard with every possession.Tell you what winner of this game might belong in the Playoffs
No.
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Announcer said UCF is the 1st FBS program to go from winless to undefeated.Scott Frost is a popular & soon to be very rich man
Winless in 2015. Frost took over last year and went 6-7 last year. Now this.
He's a great coach. UNL would be lucky to get him.
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That is the one biggest thing I resent about him. The way he went out, telling his players that he had a better chance to win an MNC in the SEC and then later back-tracking and saying he just meant he was talking about winning and SEC title. What Evar dood.
He forgot about Bama, LSU, Auburn, etc. Credit to him for taking on a HUGE challenge, but he was bound to fail and he clearly has.
Shame on him for dissing The Wisconsin Process and his loyal players.
As his hot wife once twittered...
#Karma
And at the end of the day, UW is much better off with what they have now. So, it's all good in my world.
LSU has been down relative to where they were 10 years ago since he's been in the SEC, and Auburn hasn't really been anything to write home about from 2013 to now save for this year. SEC East has been pretty bad. I don't think he was bound to fail because the conference was so tough. It really wasn't as tough as it had been, he actually probably got in at the exact right time. He was bound to fail, because IMO he's just not that good of a coach.
B1G got tougher since BERT left, SEC got weaker. Has to do with the quality of coaching improving in the B1G and the quality of coaching going down in the SEC.
Never thought BERT was that great a coach. He inherited a good thing and kept it going. Got a little lucky with Wilson and JJ Watt falling into his lap. Not often you get two generational talents to transfer in. I think Chryst is the better coach. All things considered, worked out pretty well for Wisconsin.
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I think he's a good, not great coach. I didn't think he'd win big at Arkansas, but I thought he'd be a little better than this.
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Every time he opened his yap it would blow up in his face....and circle around and bite him in the ass
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Riley to UNL has been the biggest bust in my opinion
horrible in year 3
it's been at least 56 years since things were this bad in Lincoln
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https://twitter.com/joelschafer/status/934218495520370688
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I think he's a good, not great coach. I didn't think he'd win big at Arkansas, but I thought he'd be a little better than this.
Ok, I'm with you on that. I think he can be good in the right situation. Had the right situation at Wisconsin and the fool walked away from a winning formula. Definitely not a great coach though. I didn't think he'd win big at Arkansas, but I didn't think he'd be this bad either.
You can win at Arkansas. It's a tough job, but a great coach can win there. Bobby Petrino is a scum bag, but he's a great coach. He did a hell of a job at Arkansas and the SEC was a lot tougher when he was there compared to when BERT stumbled into it.
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Riley to UNL has been the biggest bust in my opinion
horrible in year 3
it's been at least 56 years since things were this bad in Lincoln
Nah. Have to disagree. Riley never had any amount of real success anywhere he'd been. He was a .500 coach in the CFL and he was absolutely horrific in the NFL winning an impressive 29% of his games in 3 years with the San Diego Chargers.
His entire claim to fame was being at Oregon State for 14 years and what- having a 10 win season once? He was pretty mediocre at Oregon State. Not like he ever built them into what Oregon accomplished under Belotti/Chip.
Expectations were so low with Nebraska hiring Riley, it's hard for me to really consider it a bust. It was just an absolutely terrible hire from the jump.
BERT was a far bigger coaching bust, as was RichRod. Both of those guys had really been on the map and done some big things at Wisconsin and WVU respectively.
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Since Jen Bielema tweeted #karma (https://twitter.com/hashtag/karma?src=hash) in September 2013 after Wisconsin’s controversial loss at Arizona State; Wisconsin is 50-12, Arkansas is 26-34.Edit I see ELA beat me to it but it's worth mentioning twice
3 times
bump
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Expectations were so low with Nebraska hiring Riley, it's hard for me to really consider it a bust. It was just an absolutely terrible hire from the jump.
everyone expected a bit more than the worst team in 55 seasons
much less horrible than BERT or RichRod
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Winless in 2015. Frost took over last year and went 6-7 last year. Now this.
He's a great coach. UNL would be lucky to get him.
the truth
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I'd be all in for UW closing out versus UNL on Black Friday and moving Minny back to October, as was the long tradition. Minny and Iowa close out, which was also the long tradition.
The winner gets to wear all RED the following season.
Loser wears all white.
Winner is also granted the Big Red title.
I'm all in
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everyone expected a bit more than the worst team in 55 seasons
much less horrible than BERT or RichRod
have to disagree.
Riley had never really accomplished anything in his long and under-whelming coaching career. Him being this bad really isn't that big of a surprise. He really hadn't ever done anything as a coach that'd make you think he'd succeed there.
BERT had won 3 B1G Championships, had a 12-1 season and had 3 more 10+ win seasons at Wisconsin. The guy was there 7 years. 4 of those 7 years he had double digit wins. Riley had been a head coach for 20+ years. He had a 10 or more win season exactly once. BERT was considered a home run hire by a lot just because of the amount of success he had in 7 short years.
RichRod had 3 straight top 10 finishes in the final poll his last 3 years at WVU, beat the SEC Champs in a BCS Bowl in 2005, and was a play away from finishing 2007 ranked #2 and playing for the National Title. He had built WVU into a power and was seen as an offensive "genius" and he turned down the Alabama job the year before. He was a really hot commodity. He came into Michigan and immediately delivered Michigan it's lowest win total in a season since 1962 when they won 2 games, and their worst season since 1967 when they went 4-6. From 1968-2007, Michigan hadn't had a single losing season. The worst seasons they had in that 41 year span was going 6-6 in 1984 and 7-5 in 2005- the other 39 seasons from 1968-2007 was at least 8 wins- and 19 of those 39 seasons they had 10 or more wins. RichRod also snapped what was at the time the longest bowl streak in FBS history and produced 3-9, 5-7, and 7-6 in 3 seasons.
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https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/934204373105893376
There aren’t many people I’d be happy about getting fired, but this is sure one of them.
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I'd fire Jen from her twitter account
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Ohio State gets a road win over Michigan on the ice, 3-2.
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Don Nehlan built WVU. Rich Rod took it over. Sounds familiar.
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There aren’t many people I’d be happy about getting fired, but this is sure one of them.
He's actually a very nice man. I enjoyed my brief interactions with him, much more so than I did with King Barry.
Pat Richter was great to talk to as well. I really like him.
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have to disagree.
Riley had never really accomplished anything in his long and under-whelming coaching career. Him being this bad really isn't that big of a surprise. He really hadn't ever done anything as a coach that'd make you think he'd succeed there.
BERT had won 3 B1G Championships, had a 12-1 season and had 3 more 10+ win seasons at Wisconsin. The guy was there 7 years. 4 of those 7 years he had double digit wins. Riley had been a head coach for 20+ years. He had a 10 or more win season exactly once. BERT was considered a home run hire by a lot just because of the amount of success he had in 7 short years.
RichRod had 3 straight top 10 finishes in the final poll his last 3 years at WVU, beat the SEC Champs in a BCS Bowl in 2005, and was a play away from finishing 2007 ranked #2 and playing for the National Title. He had built WVU into a power and was seen as an offensive "genius" and he turned down the Alabama job the year before. He was a really hot commodity. He came into Michigan and immediately delivered Michigan it's lowest win total in a season since 1962 when they won 2 games, and their worst season since 1967 when they went 4-6. From 1968-2007, Michigan hadn't had a single losing season. The worst seasons they had in that 41 year span was going 6-6 in 1984 and 7-5 in 2005- the other 39 seasons from 1968-2007 was at least 8 wins- and 19 of those 39 seasons they had 10 or more wins. RichRod also snapped what was at the time the longest bowl streak in FBS history and produced 3-9, 5-7, and 7-6 in 3 seasons.
Yeah, RR didn't work out, but any issue with the hire is revisionist history. I thought it was a grand slam hire at the time.
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I totally expected Pitt to lose to UNC 2 weeks ago. I also was pretty sure they'd win today. I don't know what this means.
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Don Nehlan built WVU. Rich Rod took it over. Sounds familiar.
Not really. Nehlen was on the decline, WVU wasn't a top 25 program when Rich took it over. From '94 to 2000, WVU/Nehlen didn't finish in the top 25 once. 4-7 and 7-5 in Nehlen's last two years. Rodriguez completely changed the entire style of play as well, they went from pro style to spread zone/read option on offense and to the 3-3-5 stack on defense. Rodriguez wasn't on Nehlen's staff being groomed to take over either like BERT was with BA- Rich had been at Tulane and Clemson developing his new style of offense.
BERT took over a program from Barry that was still humming, Wisconsin finished #18 in BA's second to last year and 10-3 and #15 his last year. BERT didn't change a thing. Wisconsin was still a line 'em up and smash them in the mouth run first pro-style oriented offense and the defense was still the same style they ran when BERT was the DC under BA.
Rodriguez actually built WVU up from scratch in his image and took them to heights they hadn't seen in a long time. Rich had 4 top 20 finishes in his 7 seasons there and his last 3 seasons were just excellent- 11-1, 11-2, 11-2.
BERT on the other hand took over a good thing and didn't mess it up.
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Pitt does this like every ten years now - upset someone's downhill championship run? West Virginia fans still aren't over Wanny knocking them clear out of the BCS #2 spot in 2007.
No we're not and never will be unless WVU somehow wins a NC someday. The whole time I was watching the game I kept thinking Pitt is going to 13-9 Miami. They did.
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Yeah, RR didn't work out, but any issue with the hire is revisionist history. I thought it was a grand slam hire at the time.
yeah, it was viewed as a grand slam hire at the time because WVU was red hot his last 3 years there. Pat White and Steve Slaton were putting up insane numbers.
I think two huge things really bricked him at Michigan. He had a lot of people against him at Michigan, but if he had won he would've won them over. What really hurt him was not landing Terrelle Pryor to be his QB that first recruiting class and not getting his DC Jeff Casteel to come with him. That first year there just wasn't a QB on the roster who could play in any system let alone his, and there might not have been a better HS QB to play in his system ever than Terrelle Pryor. They probably go 6-6 that first year at worst if he lands Pryor. They land Pryor they probably also get some snaps at RB out of Denard Robinson. The two of those guys together in a backfield would've been a problem.
And we all know his defenses at Michigan were horrendous. The guy went through 3 different defensive co-ordinators in 3 different years and he hired a guy that had been known for running 4-3 in Schafer to run that 3-3-5 stack and then he hired a guy who had been known for running a 3-4 in Robinson to run the 3-3-5. It was just a complete mess. I really think if he landed Casteel and had that continuity it wouldn't have been so disastrous.
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Not really. Nehlen was on the decline, WVU wasn't a top 25 program when Rich took it over. From '94 to 2000, WVU/Nehlen didn't finish in the top 25 once. 4-7 and 7-5 in Nehlen's last two years. Rodriguez completely changed the entire style of play as well, they went from pro style to spread zone/read option on offense and to the 3-3-5 stack on defense. Rodriguez wasn't on Nehlen's staff being groomed to take over either like BERT was with BA- Rich had been at Tulane and Clemson developing his new style of offense.
BERT took over a program from Barry that was still humming, Wisconsin finished #18 in BA's second to last year and 10-3 and #15 his last year. BERT didn't change a thing. Wisconsin was still a line 'em up and smash them in the mouth run first pro-style oriented offense and the defense was still the same style they ran when BERT was the DC under BA.
Rodriguez actually built WVU up from scratch in his image and took them to heights they hadn't seen in a long time. Rich had 4 top 20 finishes in his 7 seasons there and his last 3 seasons were just excellent- 11-1, 11-2, 11-2.
BERT on the other hand took over a good thing and didn't mess it up.
You're both right. Nehlen showed you could realistically compete on the national level at WVU. He was instrumental in upgrading the facilities, rebranding the program, hell he even helped redesign the flying WV logo that is still used today. When Nehlen accepted the job here Schembechler tried to talk him out of it. By the time Rod took over no one was viewing the WVU job quite like that anymore. Nehlen deserves credit for all of that.
Rod did take over the program and revamp the offense and by the end of his tenure we saw WVU landing better recruiting classes because Nehlen had kind of resigned himself to thinking certain kids wouldn't be interested in coming here. He did the the program to three straight top 10 finishes, something that had never happened before and hasn't happened since. However, hindsight has allowed me to admit some of that was schedule driven too. It's not that Rod doesn't deserve credit for it (he does) or that WVU didn't have some legitimately good football teams (they did) but I think playing in the redesigned BE played a part in the success.
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yeah, it was viewed as a grand slam hire at the time because WVU was red hot his last 3 years there. Pat White and Steve Slaton were putting up insane numbers.
I think two huge things really bricked him at Michigan. He had a lot of people against him at Michigan, but if he had won he would've won them over. What really hurt him was not landing Terrelle Pryor to be his QB that first recruiting class and not getting his DC Jeff Casteel to come with him. That first year there just wasn't a QB on the roster who could play in any system let alone his, and there might not have been a better HS QB to play in his system ever than Terrelle Pryor. They probably go 6-6 that first year at worst if he lands Pryor. They land Pryor they probably also get some snaps at RB out of Denard Robinson. The two of those guys together in a backfield would've been a problem.
And we all know his defenses at Michigan were horrendous. The guy went through 3 different defensive co-ordinators in 3 different years and he hired a guy that had been known for running 4-3 in Schafer to run that 3-3-5 stack and then he hired a guy who had been known for running a 3-4 in Robinson to run the 3-3-5. It was just a complete mess. I really think if he landed Casteel and had that continuity it wouldn't have been so disastrous.
To me, one of the knocks against Rod is that it seems like he can't adapt his offense to fit his personnel. If he doesn't have that dual threat he struggles.
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A terrible overturn of what looked to be a good catch in the UVA-VT game. That is one of those calls where I'd love to just sit down with the replay official and say, "Walk me through what you are seeing."
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To me, one of the knocks against Rod is that it seems like he can't adapt his offense to fit his personnel. If he doesn't have that dual threat he struggles.
Hard to say, he did adjust the offense at WVU. Remember he wanted to bring the pass-wacky to WVU where the QB throws it 40 times while also running the ball for 10+ carries a game like at Tulane or Salem. The whole spread-running game was discovered perhaps by accident when WVU was 1-3 (1-4?) going to play #1 Miami, almost knocked them off, and he discovered that we had some really good RBs here and maybe running from this formation will work.
At WVU the offense ran into problems when teams would sell out against the run and not get penalized in the passing game because WVU was primarily running short 5-10 yard routes. I think that happened at UM a lot too. At Arizona its a little different. He's just sending 1-3 WRs on fly routes now which is opening up the running game and making D's pay for selling out against the run (granted this does run its own set of problems, Zona's D isn't good and they are on the field for 35-40+ minutes these days) however if you contain the big plays you can get the W.
I the WVU's big mistake at UM was the 3-3-5. It made sense at WVU because while finding athletic guys on the DL over 260lb is difficult, you can instead bring in space eaters and cover the back with smaller easier to find athletes. Michigan never didn't have a recruiting disadvantage, and they could have found the players to run a 4-3.
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I picked a good day to head out to a B1G volleyball match. Rotten 2nd half. I do actually look forward to seeing this 3rd qtr debacle.
Meanwhile TT v UT easily a 4 hr affair.
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Hard to say, he did adjust the offense at WVU. Remember he wanted to bring the pass-wacky to WVU where the QB throws it 40 times while also running the ball for 10+ carries a game like at Tulane or Salem. The whole spread-running game was discovered perhaps by accident when WVU was 1-3 (1-4?) going to play #1 Miami, almost knocked them off, and he discovered that we had some really good RBs here and maybe running from this formation will work.
At WVU the offense ran into problems when teams would sell out against the run and not get penalized in the passing game because WVU was primarily running short 5-10 yard routes. I think that happened at UM a lot too. At Arizona its a little different. He's just sending 1-3 WRs on fly routes now which is opening up the running game and making D's pay for selling out against the run (granted this does run its own set of problems, Zona's D isn't good and they are on the field for 35-40+ minutes these days) however if you contain the big plays you can get the W.
I the WVU's big mistake at UM was the 3-3-5. It made sense at WVU because while finding athletic guys on the DL over 260lb is difficult, you can instead bring in space eaters and cover the back with smaller easier to find athletes. Michigan never didn't have a recruiting disadvantage, and they could have found the players to run a 4-3.
No, your point is valid. When he was HC at D2 Grenville St they threw the ball all over the lot. When he was OC at Clemson with Woody Dantzler they were really balanced.
When he got to WVU I think his first year he strived for balance but the QB (Brad Lewis) was terrible and the whole season was really a disaster. The next season when Rasheed Marshall was QB he saw he had a kid who wasn't a great passer but could run around a little bit and the offense became run heavy and stayed that way for the duration of his time here and as far as I can tell stayed that way through his stops at Michigan and Arizona.
Maybe I'm revising history but I was under the impression when he got to Michigan he met with Mallet and basically told him he didn't fit what he wanted to do. Maybe some UM fans can shed more light on that. I may be wrong about that. But that's the way I thought it went down and it soured me on Rod a little. If you can't find a way to use Ryan Mallet then shame on you.
All I know is from 2002-2007 at WVU it was heavy zone read and the passing game consisted of a lot of bubble screeens and one read drops for the QB. If the primary receiver wasn't open Marshall and White were told to tuck it and run. Whenever I've watched his teams since he left Morgantown it seems to be mostly that although he does incorporate a lot more RPO now. But it seems like he wants the dual threats and stays away from the classic pocket passer types.
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For all the weak targeting calls, how the hell did Texas get away with that one?
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For all the weak targeting calls, how the hell did Texas get away with that one?
I was just thinking that. It was the type of target call the proponents love to show on clips.
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Ehlinger should not be the QB for a helmet school.
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Ehlinger should not be the QB for a helmet school.
Eh, true freshman, I think he's fine. He doesn't strike me as special, and really the problem is that a helmet school has done so poorly recruiting QBs, that he's forced to start as a freshman. That requires four straight years of whiffs.
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have to disagree.
Riley had never really accomplished anything in his long and under-whelming coaching career. Him being this bad really isn't that big of a surprise. He really hadn't ever done anything as a coach that'd make you think he'd succeed there.
BERT had won 3 B1G Championships, had a 12-1 season and had 3 more 10+ win seasons at Wisconsin. The guy was there 7 years. 4 of those 7 years he had double digit wins. Riley had been a head coach for 20+ years. He had a 10 or more win season exactly once. BERT was considered a home run hire by a lot just because of the amount of success he had in 7 short years.
RichRod had 3 straight top 10 finishes in the final poll his last 3 years at WVU, beat the SEC Champs in a BCS Bowl in 2005, and was a play away from finishing 2007 ranked #2 and playing for the National Title. He had built WVU into a power and was seen as an offensive "genius" and he turned down the Alabama job the year before. He was a really hot commodity. He came into Michigan and immediately delivered Michigan it's lowest win total in a season since 1962 when they won 2 games, and their worst season since 1967 when they went 4-6. From 1968-2007, Michigan hadn't had a single losing season. The worst seasons they had in that 41 year span was going 6-6 in 1984 and 7-5 in 2005- the other 39 seasons from 1968-2007 was at least 8 wins- and 19 of those 39 seasons they had 10 or more wins. RichRod also snapped what was at the time the longest bowl streak in FBS history and produced 3-9, 5-7, and 7-6 in 3 seasons.
It seems weird to call Riley underwhelming. He took over far and away the worst program in a conference and made it moderately good for a long stretch. That's one of those things that's not all that easy.
But it's not a skill that translates well to a program that expects more than it can probably do at this point. Plus they hired the guy in the midst of what seemed a swan song. I don't think he's not accomplished, but you are right that nothing he'd done made you think he'd do what Nebraska wanted.
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He's actually a very nice man. I enjoyed my brief interactions with him, much more so than I did with King Barry.
Pat Richter was great to talk to as well. I really like him.
What's interesting about ole Bert is the coming together of factors that hurt his Ark tenure.
- He goes from a program whose division is about to get easier to one that's getting harder. 2012 SEC west has three very good teams, solid Mississippi schools and an Auburn team that bottomed out, and A&M was kind of a one-year wonder at that point.
- He has an awesome defense in Year 1, good offenses later on, but can't match them
- He has teams that score some big wins, but gets killed in close games
- He uses all those good offenses/defenses/teams that played better than their record and doesn't fatten his record, and then a recruiting downturn eventually kills him.
I think he's not a bad coach, but one with a ceiling. When you go to a program that has a ceiling (at the moment), that combo won't work.
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Not really. Nehlen was on the decline, WVU wasn't a top 25 program when Rich took it over. From '94 to 2000, WVU/Nehlen didn't finish in the top 25 once. 4-7 and 7-5 in Nehlen's last two years. Rodriguez completely changed the entire style of play as well, they went from pro style to spread zone/read option on offense and to the 3-3-5 stack on defense. Rodriguez wasn't on Nehlen's staff being groomed to take over either like BERT was with BA- Rich had been at Tulane and Clemson developing his new style of offense.
Rodriguez actually built WVU up from scratch in his image and took them to heights they hadn't seen in a long time. Rich had 4 top 20 finishes in his 7 seasons there and his last 3 seasons were just excellent- 11-1, 11-2, 11-2.
Nehlen had 3 - 9 win seasons and 2-11 win seasons and 4-8 win seasons in 20 yrs.I'd imagine those 2 11-1 seasons got him in the top 25.I remember his name coming up in C-Bus when Earle got the Axe .Wish they had taken him
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Man wish I could have stayed up and watched Cal-UCLA 30-27.Bruins kicked the winning fg with under 10 sec.Grateful to have caught the 4 qtr of UCF-USF.Turned into a titanic track meet.Saw TTech bet UT 27-23 tyring to get all the grid iron action I can
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Man wish I could have stayed up and watched Cal-UCLA 30-27.Bruins kicked the winning fg with under 10 sec.Grateful to have caught the 4 qtr of UCF-USF.Turned into a titanic track meet.Saw TTech bet UT 27-23 tyring to get all the grid iron action I can
For a one-off gameday there sure was a lot of good college football yesterday. Unfortunately I fell asleep as UCLA-Cal got going but I'm well rested to watch Ohio State-Michigan.
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I enjoyed the Tech-Texas game, being an ex Big 12er
the targeting should have been called, but didn't change the outcome. The announcer obnoxiously begging for the call over and over was annoying
I really don't understand programs like Texas and Michigan that can't find a serviceable QB on the roster and resort to playing a freshman
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Great day to put out the lights, as was yesterday. Kids in a big hurry to get out the Christmas decorations, since the tree is coming later today.
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Got all my lights up on TG and yesterday. Tree is done and trimmed too.
Now, on to TG +2. House already smells wonderful with the Good Eats turkey going to town.
Mom is coming home today!!
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That's good news Badger. I'm sure the meal will be no less tasty. Cheers to your family today.
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very good news
enjoy the belated turkey day
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Got all my lights up on TG and yesterday. Tree is done and trimmed too.
Now, on to TG +2. House already smells wonderful with the Good Eats turkey going to town.
Mom is coming home today!!
Great day!
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Here's to an unbeaten UW versus a 2 loss OSU next weekend, and no injuries!!
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thumbs up
Go Bucky
Go Bucks
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O'Korn SUCKS. Had Hill wide open for a first over threw him. Had Wheatley wide open by 10 yards for a first down down the middle of the field threw a crap pass. It hurts watching this guy. He's so bad.
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Nobody asked me, but can't the Buckeyes wear these unis some other week?
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Had McKeon wide open for a TD....and O'Korn throws a shit pass. I hate this guy. I actually hate him.
Chris Evans is pretty sick by the way.
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Good to hear that, Badge.
How long before the shine wears off Harbaugh after he gets trounced today?
One possibly redeeming thought that l had on the way over here: Every national title contender in recent memory has played a WTF game. Wisconsin has not had one yet.
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feed Khalid Hill on short yardage every time please. 6'2, 270 is hard to stop. Think he's the best short yardage guy I've ever seen at Michigan.
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Got all my lights up on TG and yesterday. Tree is done and trimmed too.
Now, on to TG +2. House already smells wonderful with the Good Eats turkey going to town.
Mom is coming home today!!
Great news!
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Big scoring drive for Michigan saved from O'Korn's overthrows by Gentry & Evans.
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O'Korn sucks, but he did make one nice throw and the team got the TD in spite of the QB
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Big scoring drive for Michigan saved from O'Korn's overthrows by Gentry & Evans.
Play calling has been good. They've done a lot of things with motion and got the TE's/FB's some wide open looks and J'OKe missed them.
Evans saved that drive with that sick run after the catch and extra effort to get the 1st down.
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Anyone have any idea how Georgia Tech works with bowls? They'll be 5-6 after today. Do they move to the front of the line for sub-.500 bowl team? Will we have any of those?
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Man, JT with a pretty nice throw on 3rd and forever. Bad drop.
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#24 for Michigan lucky to avoid a really really dumb taunting penalty. As I mentioned in my preview, Michigan's ability to pressure JT with only four is dictating everything.
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Man, JT with a pretty nice throw on 3rd and forever. Bad drop.
Wouldn't have had the first anyway because he got popped 3-4 yards short of the 1st.
I was actually impressed by the defensive call there. Brown only rushed 3 and dropped everyone back in coverage. Which is exactly what he should've done on 3rd and 19. Can't tell you how many times he's had an offense pinned on 3rd and long this season and sent an all out blitz and got burned.
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Ohio State looks to be on a pace to miss over 100 tackles or something
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Where we're all of these drops two weeks ago?
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Ohio State looks to be on a pace to miss over 100 tackles or something
almost like the Huskers yesterday
OK, that's not even close, but the Bucks are not tackling well a tall
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OSU looks completely disinterested in tackling
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DPJ makes one big play a game. I swear if he gets some consistency going and adds 10-15 pounds of muscle and gets on a wave length with Peters or Speight or whomever the QB will be in 2018- that dude is gonna catapult himself up NFL draft boards. That dude is a special young talent.
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#24 for Michigan lucky to avoid a really really dumb taunting penalty. As I mentioned in my preview, Michigan's ability to pressure JT with only four is dictating everything.
I would like to understand why OSU abandoned their RBs already. One handoff to Dobbins/Weber in the entire first Q- and about a 4 yard gain.
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So much for the Wisconsin effect.
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OSU looks completely disinterested in tackling
They also look completely disinterested in blocking, passing and running the ball.
Doubt even O'Korn can overthrow enough to keep OSU in the game.
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Anyone have any idea how Georgia Tech works with bowls? They'll be 5-6 after today. Do they move to the front of the line for sub-.500 bowl team? Will we have any of those?
I think there are more >/= .500 teams than there are bowls this year
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So much for the Wisconsin effect.
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Harbaugh likes big butts
and he cannot lie
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Gary shaken up. I pray to God he's ok. No way they can keep this up without him.
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So, 2 handoffs to RB so far. 4 yard gain and 6 yard gain. Will you please keep doing that Wilson?
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Gary!!!!! Wtf. You had him dead to rights for a 4th down stop. GOTTA MAKE THAT PLAY.
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Michigan tackling like OSU this drive
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Gary!!!!! Wtf. You had him dead to rights for a 4th down stop. GOTTA MAKE THAT PLAY.
Cut him some slack, he just got concussed like 3 plays ago
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Bs call. Call is bs.
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They are going to have to punish Barrett if he wants to run it this much. When the QB turns into a RB- you have to make him pay.
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You can't drop give me ints in a game like this. God damn you Mettellus.
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OSUs pace is all jacked up
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JT's legs, the difference
gotta have the QB run game in college
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That was a hold on Mike McCray by the TE on the run, it should've been called back.
Pathetic effort right there by Hurst. Should've had the sack instead he loses contain.
Blame this one on Mettellus. He had an INT hit him right in the hands that would've killed the drive and he drops it.
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Bs call. Call is bs.
They are going to have to punish Barrett if he wants to run it this much. When the QB turns into a RB- you have to make him pay.
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They are going to have to punish Barrett if he wants to run it this much. When the QB turns into a RB- you have to make him pay.
Agree. Besides, Dobbins has 3 carries for 27 yards. Weber without a carry yet.
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They are going to have to punish Barrett if he wants to run it this much. When the QB turns into a RB- you have to make him pay.
I can't imagine them letting him get 30+ carries, and the way it's going he'll have to.
Could he big advantage Wisconsin next week if he takes that kind of beating this week.
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JT's legs, the difference
gotta have the QB run game in college
he's on pace for 20+ rushes. Once he turns into a runner he's not a QB anymore- he's a RB- have to take advantage of that and punish him. These defenders aren't trying to punish him when he's running. They are going to have to try and blow him up. Can't let a QB run 20+ times all over you.
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What the hell are the LB's doing stepped out evidently
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Yup. Shitty O'Korn shows up. Idiot should've thrown it away.
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Have to throw that away O'Korn
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Yup. Shitty O'Korn shows up. Idiot should've thrown it away.
O’korn makes it tough to watch the offense. He has awful accuracy and makes very basic mistakes. It’s honestly shocking because you’d think he’s a freshman
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Scape goats of the game so far:
Offense: O'Korn for sucking ass. F'n DUMB football player with horrible accuracy.
Defense: Mettellus for dropping an easy pick which would've killed a drive and they'd have 0 points right now. Instead OSU hangs around and scores a TD.
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O’korn makes it tough to watch the offense. He has awful accuracy and makes very basic mistakes. It’s honestly shocking because you’d think he’s a freshman
Agree 100%.
I've actually said that before. You'd think the guy was a freshman with all the DUMB football he plays. Nope. 5th year senior. He's a complete waste of space.
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OKorn is dumber than JT at taking sacks
gonna be a great game
probably age both coaches 5 years
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Idiot can't even handle a snap that hits him right in the hands.
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Scape goats of the game so far:
way too early for this
wait until the 4th quarter starts
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Wow. Those crowd shots look really red.
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Hudson down now. F*****.
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they aren't punishing Barrett when he runs. He's going to run for 300 if they don't get physical with him.
Defense is starting to break down.
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Nice pitch & catch 3 plays 53 yds
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QB run game had an affect on the TE being WIDE open for the TD
Urban's offense works in college
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Barrett is a small guy too. He's 5'11/6 ft maybe 205-210. Not like he's 6'3, 250 like Tebow. When he's running- have to take kill shots on him.
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Art Schlichter reference!
(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbinaryapi.ap.org%2Fd0c8cf090a114a1bbd01c7b9f91d23d0%2F460x.jpg&hash=a72b6c4cdbfea517ebb937e38a35057c)
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O'Korn sucks ass. DPJ wasn't exactly open, thought it should've been a PI if....the ball was catchable. Ball clearly wasn't catchable because O'Korn over threw the ball by 10 yards.
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So much for the Wisconsin effect.
It's early.
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as good as Brown's defenses have been all around over his 2 years- they absolutely have stunk at getting turnovers. I don't understand that. Kinda confusing to me. They just never capitalize on turn over opportunities.
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That's a 1st down. Review.
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That dropped pick changed this entire game
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Harbaugh has no interest in trying to get points at the end of the half?
I understand that OKorn isn't Joe Willy, but come on man
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That dropped pick changed this entire game
Agree 100%.
That's the difference between good defensive players and great ones. Great ones HAVE to make that play. Literally hit him right in the hands. He won't ever get an easier int attempt in his life.
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Harbaugh has no interest in trying to get points at the end of the half?
I understand that OKorn isn't Joe Willy, but come on man
he's got O'Korn on a really tight leash. Can't say I blame him. O'Korn has absolutely sucked ass.
He did get ripped off by the refs bc that was a 1st down. Period.
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Come on guys.
There are playoff implications on the line for the B1G.
Michigan will not get the calls.
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E2nd half adjustments: HIT BARRETT. Whenever he is running don't try to just tackle him- try to destroy him and blow him up. Even if you get called for a couple personal fouls- so what. Can't let him run all over you like that. You have to knock him around and hurt him.
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E2nd half adjustments: HIT BARRETT. Whenever he is running don't try to just tackle him- try to destroy him and blow him up. Even if you get called for a couple personal fouls- so what. Can't let him run all over you like that. You have to knock him around and hurt him.
I am surprised it hasn't happened yet. Dobbins and Weber have 7 carries for 49 yards. Why they don't do more of that I don't understand.
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Louisville took Kentucky behind the woodshed, in the first half.
Purdue is all over Indiana.
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Barrett has always been tough to lay a good hit on
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I am surprised it hasn't happened yet. Dobbins and Weber have 7 carries for 49 yards. Why they don't do more of that I don't understand.
JT is on pace for like 30 carries. Defense can't let him have these big runs and then just gingerly take him to the ground. Gotta punish a QB for running that much.
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Come on guys.
There are playoff implications on the line for the B1G.
Michigan will not get the calls.
Couldn't make it through the week, eh??
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I don't think there have been any horrible calls by the zebras
but, they have the opportunity to screw up the 2nd half
home field or Big 10 playoff ??? from the front office - let the conspiracy run
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Couldn't make it through the week, eh??
But it's not MY team!
LOL
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I don't think there have been any horrible calls by the zebras
but, they have the opportunity to screw up the 2nd half
home field or Big 10 playoff ??? from the front office - let the conspiracy run
There was an absolute bs PI call on Hudson.
McCray was clearly held on Barrett's TD run but it wasn't called.
O'Korn got that first down.
I'd say the PI and the 1st down were pretty bad. They rarely call holding on offense- but the PI on Hudson was phantom- Baugh completely stopped running and Hudson was in pursuit and just ran into him.
And O'Korn extended that ball way beyond the 1st down marker. That was a 1st.
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I will agree that those calls could have gone the other way, but they were not horribly blatant bad calls
the type called upon by the conference office to assure a spot in the playoff
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Gary needs to bring that consistency every snap. Incredible talent. Not the most consistent.
O'Korn can run a little bit. They should run the read option with him more.
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Are you f'n kidding me? DPJ got RAPED that play and... no flag?
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Another missed call. You can say they haven’t been blatant, but every close call has gone OSU’s way.
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LOL, they missed about 8 block in the backs on DPJs long punt return, and it's like they are going to spend the rest of the afternoon making up for it.
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Are you fuckin kidding me? DPJ got RAPED that play and no flag?
Looked like every single play UM corners have defensed. At least they are consistent.
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Looked like every single play UM corners have defensed. At least they are consistent.
I’m ok with the contact/ the pulling of the jersey is what I thought made this different
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Another missed call. You can say they haven’t been blatant, but every close call has gone OSU’s way.
That was blantant. Would've kept a drive in good field position going. Instead- have to punt.
So was O'Korn's 1st down. That would've given them 29 seconds with a stopped clock and a TO to try and get 1-2 more plays then kick a fg.
Right now refs are absolutely boning Michigan.
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Every OSU passing play is a wasted down at best
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Gary playing like a man poessesed. Wonder if he got a pain shot in that shoulder at half time.
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Every OSU passing play is a wasted down at best
Shhhhh. As long as JT isn't running and those backs aren't feasting off everyone following JT - I'm good.
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Looked like every single play UM corners have defensed. At least they are consistent.
I don't know man. They are definitely grabby but Hudson already got called for an absolute BS PI and I haven't seen one Michigan defender in pass defense do something that blantant. He was all over DPJ and grabbed his jersey and yanked him.
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1st and goal, Evans between the tackles. Smart. Time for a fade to McDoom?
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I’m ok with the contact/ the pulling of the jersey is what I thought made this different
stretching jersey usually gets the call
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You're welcome Michigan automatic 1st down
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Heh, there was about 5% as much holding as the one they didn't call on OSU last possession. Whatevs
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Michigan gets a call
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You're welcome Michigan automatic 1st down
A little one at home means less time watching football. When did holding no longer become an automatic 1st?
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that's gonna come back to haunt them.
Special teams these year have been horrible. Idk what it is but special teams in college have just gone way down hill.
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1st and goal, Evans between the tackles. Smart. Time for a fade to McDoom?
Lol. Swear to god I screamed the same thing at the tv.
Higdon has got to the guy between the tackles and if you're gonna throw a fade throw it to your 6'7 TE Gentry or your 6'2+ WR DPJ.
It's like Harbaugh has no clue when it comes to personnel usage.
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Every OSU passing play is a wasted down at best
Been trying to point that out on a Homer Board but Urban's man crush rules
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OSU's OL is getting absolutely abused
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OSU may not have any healthy offensive players left by the end of this drive
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Jones crap
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Real soft by Dobbins there. Have to turn it up and stick that nose down, at least make it 3rd and short.
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Two back to back false starts? That's unacceptable for any team. Ever:
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Barrett doesn't make that throw with a blowtorch to his balls
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That's as clean a hit as you'll see, and still got knocked out. No matter what, it's a nasty game.
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Absolutely horrible defensive play call by Brown. Should've dropped back in zone on a 3rd and forever.
If he was going to play anyone on the outside in man to man should've put LaVert Hill on Mack. Watson flat out sucks.
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just evening up the penalties
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Two back to back false starts? That's unacceptable for any team. Ever:
Eh, freshman backup QB on the road, with 2 OL going down during the game. Gonna happen
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3rd and long is the enemy of this Michigan defense yet again. Same thing turned the game last week.
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Barrett doesn't make that throw with a blowtorch to his balls
you might be right, but you should test that theory
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just evening up the penalties
Um what?
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3rd and long is the enemy of this Michigan defense yet again. Same thing turned the game last week.
Because Brown doesn't adjust. He gets greedy on 3rd and long.
Drop back in zone don't give up the 1st. Don't play so much man.
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QB run game
again
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Screw Haskins, and the kiss-asses fawning over him.
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Brown just doesn't get it. All that man to man leaves wide open running lanes for an athletic QB. Your safeties and LBs can't play man to man. Neither can your 3rd corner Watson.
He needs to stop playing so much man. It's killing his defense.
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Urban I have no clue what he thinks.Better thrower and just ran nice.Have to have an aerial game which wasn't there.Great Job Dwayne
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Screw Haskins, and the kiss-asses fawning over him.
Paint chips - stop eating them
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why have a basketball image on the shoulder of your football jersey?
MJ played at UNC
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just decline the wolverine penalty
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Chris Evans just saved a disastrous play that would've absolutely been 6 points for Ohio State.
O'Korn still sucks.
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End of the 3rd and we got upgraded at QB
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just decline the wolverine penalty
Which as Joel Klatt correctly pointed out, wasn't a penalty. Bosa tripped and fell down and Cole smartly jumped ontop of him. Not a hold.
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End of the 3rd and we got upgraded at QB
Let's calm down, he more instances where he couldn't get the cadence right than where he threw a good pass.
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Which as Joel Klatt correctly pointed out, wasn't a penalty. Bosa tripped and fell down and Cole smartly jumped ontop of him. Not a hold.
I didn't think it was a hold either, but Klatt is a tool
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Which as Joel Klatt correctly pointed out, wasn't a penalty. Bosa tripped and fell down and Cole smartly jumped ontop of him. Not a hold.
Klatt has yet to not question every call that went against UM, or didn't get called. He is a big UM guy. Everyone knows that.
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Klatt has yet to not question every call that went against UM, or didn't get called. He is a big UM guy. Everyone knows that.
Lol? What? He's probably the only guy worth a shit in the CFB game since Speileman went to call the NFL.
And he's a Colorado guy fyi.
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Klatt has yet to not question every call that went against UM, or didn't get called. He is a big UM guy. Everyone knows that.
Next time I see a fan say "this announcer likes my team" will be the first.
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he's a ralphie supporter
nuff said
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I didn't think it was a hold either, but Klatt is a tool
+1
Something about broken clocks
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Michigan safeties dropping like flies.
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Next time I see a fan say "this announcer likes my team" will be the first.
Gus Johnson has always seemingly been very pro MSU.
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Klatt has yet to not question every call that went against UM, or didn't get called. He is a big UM guy. Everyone knows that.
Johnson is a Detroit guy but I don't mind these two
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Next time I see a fan say "this announcer likes my team" will be the first.
LOL
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STOP playing so much god damn man to man. It's every play.
This is a freshman QB. Show him blitz then drop into zone. Confuse his ass.
If he knows it's man every play it's easy pitch and catch.
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Lol? What? He's probably the only guy worth a shit in the CFB game since Speileman went to call the NFL.
And he's a Colorado guy fyi.
Klatt 2015 - Harbaugh is the best coach in college football
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverines/2015/08/19/michigan-football-jim-harbaugh/31993261/
Klatt in July - Harbaugh is the best developer of talent in college football
https://saturdaytradition.com/michigan-football/klatt-harbaugh-best-developmental-coach-america/
Klatt in October - If you think Harbaugh as underachieved, you are "false and petty"
https://www.foxsports.com/the-herd-with-colin-cowherd/video/1070254147600
Klatt this week - UM giving Harbaugh a lifetime contract makes sense
https://www.foxsports.com/watch/the-herd-with-colin-cowherd/video/1101885507554
I'm not sure he's so much pro-UM, as he is jealous he didn't get a Quinn Nordin experience with ol Jimmy
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Kick good nice job Sean
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That blocked XP looms so large right now.
Need a TD and not sure the offense has it in them. Especially with that dog shit QB J'OKe at the helm.
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Michigan safeties dropping like flies.
Typical version of " The Game". Very physical.
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That blocked XP looms so large right now.
Need a TD and not sure the offense has it in them. Especially with that dog shit QB J'OKe at the helm.
I think he has played decently today.
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That blocked XP looms so large right now.
Need a TD and not sure the offense has it in them. Especially with that dog shit QB J'OKe at the helm.
wasn't Peters in?
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Lol.. ELA is still a ninja with information.
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wasn't Peters in?
Huh lol?
Peters didn't clear concussion protocol.
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I think he has played decently today.
He's thrown the ball pretty well since that first drive, but he's made way too many terrible mistakes. For a 5th year senior with his limited skill set, you'd expect the opposite. More glaring physical issues, but at least making the right decisions.
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Klatt 2015 - Harbaugh is the best coach in college football
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverines/2015/08/19/michigan-football-jim-harbaugh/31993261/
Klatt in July - Harbaugh is the best developer of talent in college football
https://saturdaytradition.com/michigan-football/klatt-harbaugh-best-developmental-coach-america/
Klatt in October - If you think Harbaugh as underachieved, you are "false and petty"
https://www.foxsports.com/the-herd-with-colin-cowherd/video/1070254147600
Klatt this week - UM giving Harbaugh a lifetime contract makes sense
https://www.foxsports.com/watch/the-herd-with-colin-cowherd/video/1101885507554
I'm not sure he's so much pro-UM, as he is jealous he didn't get a Quinn Nordin experience with ol Jimmy
Klatt is a tool
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I feel like Michigan's offense still has a big play in them, although probably not a sustained drive.
I don't think 24 will be enough,
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I think he has played decently today.
Huh?
He's missed countless wide open throws, mishandled snaps and run himself into sacks.
I guess he's played decently for his incredibly low standards since he hasn't thrown multiple ints. Yet.
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just eat it OKorn
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He's thrown the ball pretty well since that first drive, but he's made way too many terrible mistakes. For a 5th year senior with his limited skill set, you'd expect the opposite. More glaring physical issues, but at least making the right decisions.
Like that. 2nd time he's been outside the pocket and took a sack rather than throw it away. This offense can't get behind the sticks.
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Like that. 2nd time he's been outside the pocket and took a sack rather than throw it away. This offense can't get behind the sticks.
But then that throw was an absolute dime Like I said, passing better than I expected, but making more dumb decisions than he should.
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Nice sang McDoom
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BLown assignment by #32. You've got plenty of help inside, can't go inside the lead blocker like that there and let him get outside.
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C'mon defense where are the LB's
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I think this is 4 down territory for Michigan unless you get into a 4th and long inside FG goal range.
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Yup. O'Korn sucks.
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big play if they snap it
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Evans WIDE OPEN and fuck face throws it way high.
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OMG, you've got to be kidding me O'Korn
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should have at LEAST tried to draw OSU offside on 4th and less than 5
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Good point FF
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It’s amazing Michigan is in this game. O’korn is one of the worst college qb’s I’ve seen in a while. It’s almost like watching the Browns QB for the last two decades
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should have at LEAST tried to draw OSU offside on 4th and less than 5
Should've delivered a catchable pass to a wide open Chris Evans in the middle of the field. That's a big play with Evans ability in the open field.
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Harbaugh may not have recruiting OKorn, but Harbaugh put OKorn in "the game"
QB whisperer
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It’s amazing Michigan is in this game. O’korn is one of the worst college qb’s I’ve seen in a while. It’s almost like watching the Browns QB for the last two decades
I'll be that guy- Peters plays we win this game like ELA predicted.
J'Oke is a f'n joke.
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Should've delivered a catchable pass to a wide open Chris Evans in the middle of the field. That's a big play with Evans ability in the open field.
Just throw it up in the air underhand, and it probably gets to him before a Buckeye does
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Hill Jr is an absolute idiot for stepping out of bounds
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Harbaugh may not have recruiting OKorn, but Harbaugh put OKorn in "the game"
QB whisperer
Really tough to argue that. I don’t understand how Harbaugh has been at Michigan this long and there’s not a competent qb in this game
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How UFM could see this kid play everyday and not play him before is beyond me
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Harbaugh may not have recruiting OKorn, but Harbaugh put OKorn in "the game"
QB whisperer
He recruited him as a transfer, when most of us here scratched our heads, trying to bring in the kid who ranked 2nd to last in the FBS in QBR the year before.
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Brown doesn't fuckig learn. I swear to god it's like clock work. STOP PLAYING SO MUCH MAN. YOUR SAFETIES ARE GETTING FUCKING BURNED.
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Let them back in crap
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OSU needed to call a timeout there, they looked like they were out of sorts.
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He recruited him as a transfer, when most of us here scratched our heads, trying to bring in the kid who ranked 2nd to last in the FBS in QBR the year before.
holy shit
:banghead:
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J'Oke with 2:48 and 2 TO's. Good field position too. Great opportunity to go win this thing.
He's gonna fuck this up and throw a pick or take a really bad sack or miss a wide open guy. Calling it now.
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Brown doesn't fuckig learn. I swear to god it's like clock work. STOP PLAYING SO MUCH MAN. YOUR SAFETIES ARE GETTING FUCKING BURNED.
We went through this with Narduzzi. Gotta take the good with the bad. Even up 24-7 yesterday he was blitzing. Gave up a long TD, but then also got the strip fumble to seal it.
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Let them back in crap
Hill Jr. tackled by the white stripe on the sideline
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It’s amazing Michigan is in this game. O’korn is one of the worst college qb’s I’ve seen in a while. It’s almost like watching the Browns QB for the last two decades
Well he has more experience than Haskins.
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J'Oke with 2:48 and 2 TO's. Good field position too. Great opportunity to go win this thing.
He's gonna fuck this up and throw a pick or take a really bad sack or miss a wide open guy. Calling it now.
easy call
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J'Oke with 2:48 and 2 TO's. Good field position too. Great opportunity to go win this thing.
He's gonna fuck this up and throw a pick or take a really bad sack or miss a wide open guy. Calling it now.
We're good
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Called it. F'in bum.
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Wtf was he even thinking? He had so much time left and he tried to get it all on one play and threw it deep into double coverage. Fucking moron.
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Called it. F'in bum.
calling the pick would have been impressive
calling one of 3 F ups is much easier
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Klatt was right great block by Price
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Well he has more experience than Haskins.
What good is experience when you absolutely fucking suck?
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Signed,sealed,delivered
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Defense quit that drive. Pathetic.
This loss is on Harbaugh. He should've yanked O'Korn for Malzone at half.
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I really feel bad for Michigan’s defense the last two years.
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Signed,sealed,delivered
worth a round of drinks from my brother in January
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I really feel bad for Michigan’s defense the last two years.
Tell me about it.
Speight was and always has been ass and O'Korn is absolutely fucking pathetic.
Can't pin any of that on anyone other than Harbaugh. He's the one who stuck with Speight and he's the one who courted O'Korn.
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I really feel bad for Michigan’s defense the last two years.
Harbaugh is the offensive guru
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I really feel bad for Michigan’s defense the last two years.
Ya head coaches are stubborn with QB's.At least these two are.Always gonna be a drop off when you lose the roster from the last year squad
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Harbaugh is the offensive guru
Honestly- can't pin it on anyone but him.
That defense has carried its weight last 2 years. The QB play and offense has been atrocious in comparison.
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I know the announcers are focused on this game and the series, but.... the other three Michigan losses are pinned on the QB and the lack of offense
10 points against Sparty and Bucky, 13 vs PSU
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There you go, Michigan 8-4.
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I know the announcers are focused on this game and the series, but.... the other three Michigan losses are pinned on the QB and the lack of offense
10 points against Sparty and Bucky, 13 vs PSU
O'Korn started and finished the Sparty and PSU games. Harbaugh's stubborn ass didn't even give Peters a shot. Michigan was up 10-7 on Bucky before Peters got driven into the ground and bounced off the turf. O'Korn came in and stunk up the joint.
I blame O'Korn even being on the roster on Harbaugh. Braylon Edwards was a dick for calling O'Korn out publicly on twitter but he's right. Braylon said something along the lines of: "who the hell approved O'Korn's scholarship he sucks". As a former player don't say that about a current player publicly, but man he ain't wrong.
Burning Dylan McCaffrey's redshirt or giving Alex Malzone a shot would've been a better play than going with O'Korn.
That's all on Harbaugh. He decides who plays at the QB position.
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Braylon Edwards was a dick for calling O'Korn out publicly on twitter but he's right. Braylon said something along the lines of: "who the hell approved O'Korn's scholarship he sucks". As a former player don't say that about a current player publicly, but man he ain't wrong.
dick move, right or wrong
call out the coach, not the player
the coach is "a Man"
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Burning Dylan McCaffrey's redshirt or giving Alex Malzone a shot would've been a better play than going with O'Korn.
Should have tried something Malzone couldn't have hurt.Or even Gentry
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dick move, right or wrong
call out the coach, not the player
the coach is "a Man"
total dick move, but that's Braylon Edwards for you. $50 million talent. 10 cent head. If he wasn't such a lazy, douche bag, drunk prick that was full of himself he'd have been an NFL Hall of Famer.
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War damn Eagle!!!
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So, you're telling me the PSU football grad calling the Maryland game doesn't like his team?
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pooooor Terps
the entire Big Ten is against them
perhaps they should have turned down the invitation
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Wow, Auburn fumble inside the 5
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pooooor Terps
the entire Big Ten is against them
perhaps they should have turned down the invitation
Where'd that come from coward?
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Auburn QB should simply fall on the ball
dumb
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Where'd that come from coward?
whiner
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whiner
Ah, the Internet.
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Where'd that come from coward?
hey, maybe it's not you. if so, I apologize.
I'm bad with names
I hear a lot of whining from Terp fans about mistreatment from the Big Ten.
Slighted, unfair, treated poorly
just whining
if you are not that guy I apologize
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Where'd that come from coward?
the internet is a terrible thing to waste
net neutrality be damned
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hey, maybe it's not you. if so, I apologize.
I'm bad with names
I hear a lot of whining from Terp fans about mistreatment from the Big Ten.
Slighted, unfair, treated poorly
just whining
if you are not that guy I apologize
Sure, I complain, like everyone else.
I thought you were the Nebraska fan I liked. Maybe I got that name wrong too.
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Someone mentioned that people think the announcers are against them.
I gave a good example.
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If this was your team every week, wouldn't you complain?
https://youtu.be/eFBg-GfxXCk
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fans love to think announcer X,Y,Z has it out for them. Michigan fans hated Spielman on the broadcasts. I happened to think he was the best guy.
I like Klatt's break down on the game. I don't really watch the sports day time talk shows- all I know is Klatt/Johnson calling games- I think they are both fantastic at breaking down the game and calling it and explaining what is happening.
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If this was your team every week, wouldn't you complain?
https://youtu.be/eFBg-GfxXCk
Yes. That was bad.
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MSUs first quarter offense is money
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every week?
yes, I would,
as a husker fan I know about face mask penalties that aren't called
(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FkrHqcIi.jpg&hash=a1260ec50c997450b735ad08509d980f)
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Yes. That was bad.
Fitting for there to be 3 Zebras in the picture watching it!
LOL!
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This game is pathetic. Over half the student section is red.
Gophers can't move the ball. 3 or 4 possessions, same number of 3 and outs.
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Yes. That was bad.
that should have been called, but it wasn't terrible
didn't grab and turn his head
hand to the head should have been called, not a facemask
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every week?
yes, I would,
as a husker fan I know about face mask penalties that aren't called
(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FkrHqcIi.jpg&hash=a1260ec50c997450b735ad08509d980f)
what about illegal kicks to the ball that aren't called?
As a Nebraska fan, do you know those?
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Lewerke has to learn when to throw it away.
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This game is pathetic. Over half the student section is red.
Gophers can't move the ball. 3 or 4 possessions, same number of 3 and outs.
go to the zone read for 409 yards like against the Blackshirts
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what about illegal kicks to the ball that aren't called?
As a Nebraska fan, do you know those?
can you give me an example?
I like pics and gifs
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can you give me an example?
I like pics and gifs
can't find a GIF.
I'm thinking...1997. Nebraska vs. Missouri.
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3 presnap penalties inside the 5. This is like Northwestern and Maryland. Dominate early, but fail to get the score to reflect it.
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that should have been called, but it wasn't terrible
didn't grab and turn his head
hand to the head should have been called, not a facemask
From the video that lineman got 2 face masks.No reason for all 3 officials to draw blanks.That should go to the league office
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WVU doing onside kicks on every single kickoff is WVU's only chance.
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inadvertent
and besides, you got a share
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn7j-zJrbPk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn7j-zJrbPk)
let's not bring up hiding in the rose vs an overrated #7/8 ranked Ryan Leaf crap team
Scott Frost would have run over Michigan ;)
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3 presnap penalties inside the 5. This is like Northwestern and Maryland. Dominate early, but fail to get the score to reflect it.
Total yardage 130-3, but only 13-0
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Total yardage 130-3, but only 13-0
And Rutgers had a turnover inside their own 10
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And Rutgers had a turnover inside their own 10
If MSU would stop committing penalties it'd really be ugly. That's all Rutgers has.
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And Rutgers had a turnover inside their own 10
And there it is. One broken play and it's 13-7, because this team fails to capitalize on dominating first quarters
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Thought for a second they didn't notice the Rutgers player line up over a yard offsides. Tough to do that as a DL
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inadvertent
and besides, you got a share
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn7j-zJrbPk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn7j-zJrbPk)
let's not bring up hiding in the rose vs an overrated #7/8 ranked Ryan Leaf crap team
Scott Frost would have run over Michigan ;)
doesn't look all that inveterate to me....looks kinda blatant. Kinda weird how he kicks his legs all the way up like that while he's falling to the ground....
Not sure Washington State was all that overrated bud. Hard for me to say that when they were 10-1 and their only loss in the regular season was a conference road night game against a then top 25 ranked Arizona State team that finished '97 ranked #14 in the country that year.
Ryan Leaf was an NFL bust- but saying he and his team were crap is complete revisionist history. That guy lead CFB in passing that year and was not just more physically talented than Peyton Manning- he was significantly more physically talented than Manning. 6'5, 240 but he could run and he had an absolute rocket launcher for an arm. There was huge debate that draft who to pick- Manning or Leaf. Manning wasn't a clear cut #1. It was close. Leaf was an obvious head case with mental health and drug issues- but in college he was about as good as it gets- he was all of 6'5, 240+ ran a 4.7 and could throw the ball through a brick wall- just had a cannon. Manning was similarly sized and while his arm was definitely above average it wasn't anywhere near as strong as Leaf's- and he sure as hell couldn't run like Leaf. Manning was slow as dirt- 5.0+ in the 40.
Think it's a lot of revisionist history to say Leaf stunk and Manning was great just because of their NFL careers turned out. Leaf was drafted where he should've been based on his physical talent. Can't predict how 21-22 years old are going to handle the pressure of carrying an NFL franchise or how they are going to re-act being given multi-million contracts. Not like the guy was Joey Harrington or Akili Smith- guys that just sucked and didn't have it physically and probably should've never been picked where they were. He had the talent. He didn't have the most important thing- the mind and the character.
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Penn St and Maryland are pretty evenly matched, eh?
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Halftime score:
NU 14
Illinois 7
go 'Cats!
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Those students who are wearing red or sold their tickets to those wearing red deserve to be expelled without appeal. 3/4 of the student section is clad in red. That is pathetic.
So is this game. It's a good thing I haven't had much to drink.
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Fickel's Bearcats beat UConn by 1 to finish out his first season.
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TOP is 19:30-3:30, but Rutgers hit on one broken play and MSU can't finish drives, so it's only 16-7
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24 minutes into the game, Rutgers picks up their first non penalty first down
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At least the sunset is pretty.
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Not sure these refs know what clipping is. Lol, getting comical
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MSU got some favorable calls last week against Maryland, but yikes, this week.
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Not sure Washington State was all that overrated bud. Hard for me to say that when they were 10-1 and their only loss in the regular season was a conference road night game against a then top 25 ranked Arizona State team that finished '97 ranked #14 in the country that year.
Think it's a lot of revisionist history to say Leaf stunk and Manning was great just because of their NFL careers turned out.
maybe not too overrated at #7/8, not a bunch of great teams that season. definitely not a top 5 team. Finished behind UCLA, KAnsas St. and Tennessee in the final poll. and not because Michigan steamrolled them. Controversial finish. The PAC was not stacked that season, WSUs toughest non-con game was vs Illinois (0-8 in the Big Ten). WSU started the season unranked. best win at home vs UCLA week one.
Tennessee's only loss was at #1 ranked Florida in the swamp. Vols beat UCLA in LA by 6.
Phat Phil Fulmer vs Mike Price?
what about the NFL careers of the remainder of the Vols roster vs the Cougars?
I'd say it stunk that Michigan and Nebraska didn't get to meet on the field
apparently a few others agreed because the Big Ten walked away from the Rose the following season
it's a damned shame those two teams didn't meet on the field
same with 94 Penn St. and Nebraska
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At least the sunset is pretty.
go get yourself a stiff drink
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Love leaving shit loads of points off the board
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Cursing and swearing, cursing and swearing
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Love leaving shit loads of points off the board
That's what we do. Done it all year long. Northwestern and Maryland the most glaring examples.
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war damn eagle!!!
down goes Bama
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Four presnap penalties inside the 10. So stupid. This has to be the most dominating 12 point lead in football history.
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war damn eagle!!!
down goes Bama
I think Alabama is one of the four best teams, but they do not have one of the four best resumes.
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Cursing and swearing, cursing and swearing
LOL,hey I'm still a Browns fan - don't ask me why
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After 3 quarters:
NU 28
Illinois 7
go 'Cats!
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pretty sure I know why.....
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I'd advice teams to never ever play Kansas State as long as Snyder is there.
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Auburn beat the brakes off Georgia and Alabama. That was a 12 point beat down if I ever saw one. Felt like a 28 point win, not a 12.
If they beat the brakes off Georgia again, think you've got to put them in even with 2 losses.
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Auburn beat the brakes off Georgia and Alabama. That was a 12 point beat down if I ever saw one. Felt like a 28 point win, not a 12.
If they beat the brakes off Georgia again, think you've got to put them in even with 2 losses.
Winner of SEC CG is in. Automatic. BAma is in. Clemson Miami winner is in. OKlahoma is in if they roll TCU again. Good four teams, right now Auburn looks like the hottest team.
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No doubt the SEC champ is in. ACC too so long as Clemson wins tonight. And Oklahoma and Wisconsin if they win out. If they don't, unclear
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Winner of SEC CG is in. Automatic. BAma is in. Clemson Miami winner is in. OKlahoma is in if they roll TCU again. Good four teams, right now Auburn looks like the hottest team.
Wisconsin would be in automatic. Then Bama out.
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Wisconsin would be in automatic. Then Bama out.
Never know. Wisconsin should definitely be in if they beat OSU and win the B1G.
But...you never know. Could definitely see Alabama sneaking in there. SEC bastard loving ESPN would try and push it.
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Nobody asked me, but can't the Buckeyes wear these unis some other week?
Nobody asked me either, but I was asking the same question.
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Rutgers picks up their second non penalty first down with 10 minutes left
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Nobody asked me either, but I was asking the same question.
like next week
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If Wisconsin is in the top 4 next week before the championship game, then congratulations on the B1G championship victory Badgers.
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Penn St and Maryland are pretty evenly matched, eh?
Who said that?
Franklin will do that any time he can. He was HCIW, and this dipshit AD decided to let him go.
Then, Dandy Randy said, "let the rivalry begin".
Besides, we could line up a complete group of 5 star kids across the board, and we'd lose because we're outnumbered at kickoff.
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Auburn beat the brakes off Georgia and Alabama. That was a 12 point beat down if I ever saw one. Felt like a 28 point win, not a 12.
Never expected Hurts to be handled the way he was, especially as the game moved along. Nothing downfield was open for long stretches of the 2nd half and Auburn's pass rush was able to play it right in not committing too early only to be burned by Hurts' running.
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I think Alabama is one of the four best teams, but they do not have one of the four best resumes.
In what way(s) does Alabama seem to be better than its resume? Auburn was the first really good team Bama has played all year, and Auburn won in a game that was not as close as the final score indicated.
You're certainly not alone in your estimation of Bama's worth, but I'm wondering what intangibles make them better than their record.
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Rutgers picks up their second non penalty first down with 10 minutes left
they only had 12:10 in TOP. I think Kansas had more when they had around 4 total yards
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In what way(s) does Alabama seem to be better than its resume? Auburn was the first really good team Bama has played all year, and Auburn won in a game that was not as close as the final score indicated.
You're certainly not alone in your estimation of Bama's worth, but I'm wondering what intangibles make them better than their record.
Merely belief. They've proven nothing. If Clemson wins tonight, then they have no business getting in without an Oklahoma or Wisconsin loss next weekend.
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Merely belief. They've proven nothing. If Clemson wins tonight, then they have no business getting in without an Oklahoma or Wisconsin loss next weekend.
yeah, Alabama is always going to get the benefit of the doubt just because of Saban and how much he's won there.
Alabama isn't the same team this year. They've had injuries to the LB corps and haven't been as stout stuffing the run and rushing the passer because of those injuries. They aren't as ridiculously dominant stuffing the run as they always are- which makes the offense have to pick up more slack and it hasn't.
I like Jalen Hurts as the QB when you're playing with the lead and running the ball down the other teams throat which allows play-action to get working because those LB's and safeties are freezing up. Down double digits late- against a non-Mississippi State or garbage team and the defense knows he's got to pass? He can't do it. He's a better version of Blake Sims- but he's still a version of Blake Sims- a running back playing QB.
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Evening games are a bore
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Nick Saban and ESPN already politicking for a spot in the playoff.
This excerpt from the article cracked me the F up...
"Coming into the weekend, Alabama was one of two unbeaten Power 5 programs, along with Wisconsin, and it was No. 2 in ESPN's Strength of Record metric and No. 1 in Game Control."
I sure as hell would love to see how ESPN comes up with their strength of record metric and how the hell they rank Alabama as having the #2 most difficult schedule in college football. Jesus.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21559296/nick-saban-says-alabama-deserves-opportunity-get-playoff-losing-auburn (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21559296/nick-saban-says-alabama-deserves-opportunity-get-playoff-losing-auburn)
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Evening games are a bore
the ND and Stanford game has been pretty damn good.
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the Penn St-Minnesooota volleyball match is entertaining
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The back half of that first set was some of the best high level volleyball I've seen in years. Too bad Gophers let it slip. Look like they will extend this to a 4th at least.
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they only had 12:10 in TOP. I think Kansas had more when they had around 4 total yards
NCAA doesn't keep official records on that stat, but unofficially MSUs TOP broke the NCAA record by over 2 minutes.
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NCAA doesn't keep official records on that stat, but unofficially MSUs TOP broke the NCAA record by over 2 minutes.
Those occurrences fascinate me. I remember Nebraska had the ball for 22:10 or so when they hung 84 on Minnesota. That was the game where Minnesota decided to blitz on every play.
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ND imploding
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ND imploding
ND exited themselves from any playoff conversation.
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I'd be all in for UW closing out versus UNL on Black Friday and moving Minny back to October, as was the long tradition. Minny and Iowa close out, which was also the long tradition.
The winner gets to wear all RED the following season.
Loser wears all white.
Winner is also granted the Big Red title.
We have no interest in wearing red after a win over any of you. You lost to us in rivalry week you wear black and gold in your season opener.
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Merely belief. They've proven nothing. If Clemson wins tonight, then they have no business getting in without an Oklahoma or Wisconsin loss next weekend.
That's fair.
As Clemson won in a rout tonight, Bama will probably be sitting at #5 Tuesday night. I agree that they'll need some help next Saturday to get back into the top four.
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Those occurrences fascinate me. I remember Nebraska had the ball for 22:10 or so when they hung 84 on Minnesota. That was the game where Minnesota decided to blitz on every play.
As a math-y person, I end up reducing it to a function. It's about possession (plays) and time (how fast you snap it) separately, give or take the effect of incomplete passes. Good teams tend to hold possession unless they're super big play reliant. How fast you snap is a stylistic quirk.
The MSU one is in the classic mold. They ran nearly three times as many plays and were up big, which means more rushing and more opponent passing. The Minnesota game is weird because the plays were 80-70 for Minnesota and Nebraska was up so much. Even if Nebraska was getting off the field, they still had 70 plays and 55 rushes
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Auburn beat the brakes off Georgia and Alabama. That was a 12 point beat down if I ever saw one. Felt like a 28 point win, not a 12.
If they beat the brakes off Georgia again, think you've got to put them in even with 2 losses.
Oh it's happening sweetheart
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Klatt 2015 - Harbaugh is the best coach in college football
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverines/2015/08/19/michigan-football-jim-harbaugh/31993261/
Klatt in July - Harbaugh is the best developer of talent in college football
https://saturdaytradition.com/michigan-football/klatt-harbaugh-best-developmental-coach-america/
Klatt in October - If you think Harbaugh as underachieved, you are "false and petty"
https://www.foxsports.com/the-herd-with-colin-cowherd/video/1070254147600
Klatt this week - UM giving Harbaugh a lifetime contract makes sense
https://www.foxsports.com/watch/the-herd-with-colin-cowherd/video/1101885507554
I'm not sure he's so much pro-UM, as he is jealous he didn't get a Quinn Nordin experience with ol Jimmy
LMAO.
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Saw some references here to ESecPN already promoting Bama for a spot.
They have beaten one ranked team (LSU) this season and lost to the only other ranked team they played (Auburn).
Maybe they should have played Mercer again.
FU ESecPN.
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Oh it's happening sweetheart
I'll be rooting for Georgia. Just to keep a two loss SEC champ from getting in.
Obviously, if Wisconsin would have won vs a #1 Ohio St, and then a #1 ranked PSU. The Badgers wouldn't get in with a couple losses, even if one of the losses was to a top 5 Clemson team
also, puts a damper on conference champ game rematches
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LMAO.
Double LMAO
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Week 13 Tournament projection, followed by scenarios going into the final week
11 TCU
7 MIAMI
NOON - espn2
TROY
1 CLEMSON
1:30 - ESPN
12 STANFORD
6 GEORGIA
3:00 - ABC
TOLEDO
3 OKLAHOMA
4:30 - espn2
FLORIDA ATLANTIC
2 AUBURN
6:00 - ESPN
10 USC
8 OHIO STATE
7:30 - ABC
14 CENTRAL FLORIDA
5 ALABAMA
9:00 - espn2
25 FRESNO STATE
4 WISCONSIN
10:30 - ESPN
The scenarios for teams that have a shot, with Notre Dame addressed at the bottom in the general summary
ACC
#1 Clemson - clinches auto-bid with a win, almost certainly still in with a loss
#7 Miami - clinches auto-bid with a win, fairly certainly still in with a loss
BIG XII
#3 Oklahoma - clinches auto-bid win a win, almost certainly still in with a loss
#11 TCU - clinches auto-bid with a win, with a loss, depends on how far they fall, would likely have to stay ahead of both Notre Dame and Michigan State to get in
BIG TEN
#4 Wisconsin - clinches auto-bid with a win, almost certainly still in with a loss
#8 Ohio State - clinches auto-bid with a win, with a loss, have to determine if they remain in the top 6 non-champs
#9 Penn State - difficult to get in because they cannot get in without both Ohio State and Michigan State getting in, and it's nearly impossible for a situation where Michigan State gets in as anything other than the final at large (see below)
#16 Michigan State - need to move into the top 6 non-champions, however they would get in over Penn State, even if they finish behind them in the rankings. The ACC, SEC and Big Ten Championship Game losers, plus Alabama are nearly assured of four spots. They also will likely remain behind Notre Dame and Washington, however, Washington can not get in over Stanford. So Michigan State's likely only path is for (1) USC to beat Stanford, (2) Oklahoma to beat TCU, (3) Stanford and TCU to fall behind Michigan State, and (4) nobody to jump Michigan State from behind. Then Michigan State would join Notre Dame, Alabama and the ACC, SEC and Big Ten championship losers as the six at larges. Jumping Notre Dame would make the path clearer, but I don't see anyway that happens with both teams off, and Notre Dame having a convincing head to head win. Additionally the only win either team has that could gain value over the weekend would be Notre Dame's over USC.
PAC 12
#10 USC - clinches auto-bid with a win, would likely need to stay ahead of two out of Washington, Notre Dame and Michigan State with a loss (three, including TCU if TCU loses)
#12 Stanford - clinches auto-bid win a win, would likely need to stay ahead of one out of Notre Dame or Michigan State with a loss (see MSU summary)
#13 Washington - because they can not get in over Stanford, it will be nearly impossible to get in if Stanford is in the at large pool. However, with a Stanford win over USC they would almost assuredly be in, and would eliminate Michigan State
SEC
#2 Auburn - clinches auto-bid with a win, almost certainly still in with a loss
#5 Alabama - essentially clinched an at large bid
#6 Georgia - clinches auto-bid with a win, almost certainly still in with a loss
#17 LSU - they basically have the same path as Michigan State (see MSU summary above) with the added caveat that they also have to jump Michigan State. With both teams on bye, that would seem unlikely, but an Auburn win over Georgia would make it possible, because it would give LSU a win over a conference champion, something Michigan State cannot get, because they didn't play Wisconsin and didn't beat Ohio State. That win might make Auburn #1, and might boost LSU's resume enough to jump them up a spot or two, or at least over Michigan State and possibly Notre Dame.
AMERICAN
#14 Central Florida - almost certain they have to win and clinch the auto-bid to get in, but slight chance, if the committee doesn't drop their ranking more than 1 slot, that they could get an at large, but it seems unlikely
#20 Memphis - have to win and get the auto-bid to get in
CONFERENCE USA, MAC, MOUNTAIN WEST
Only the Conference Championship Game winners will get in
SUN BELT
The last conference without a Conference Championship Game. They also don't have close to a full round robin. Currently Troy, Arkansas State and Appalachian State are tied for 1st at 6-1. Georgia State is 5-2, but Troy plays Arkansas State this week, so at least one team in guaranteed to finish 7-1, eliminating Georgia State.
Because the Sun Belt has no reason in reality to tiebreak conference championships, it's unclear if measures are in place, but I did find a 2015 article laying them out, so I'm going with that. This would actually give the final weekend in the Sun Belt some excitement.
APPALACHIAN STATE - win; AND have Arkansas State beat Troy AND Georgia State beat Idaho AND South Alabama beat NM State
ARKANSAS STATE - win; AND have (1) Appalachian State lose to UL Lafayette, or (2) Idaho beat Georgia State, or (3) NM State beat South Alabama
TROY - win
OVERALL AT LARGE PICTURE
4 of the 6 slots basically wrapped up
#5 Alabama - Probably the only assured at large as of now
SEC Championship Game loser - Probably guaranteed, even in a blowout
ACC Championship Game loser - Probably safe, if Miami loses a blowout, they might be sweating a bit
Big Ten Championship Game loser - Probably safe, if Ohio State loses a blowout, they might be a little nervous
Then for the other 2 spots
#3 Oklahoma - safe with a loss, even a blowout loss, other at large teams need to be rooting for the Sooners
#9 Penn State - the fact that they are 3rd in their division, makes them essentially eliminated, because they can't get in over Michigan State. They somehow need Michigan State to get in, but not as the last team, which is nearly impossible considering I don't see a way Michigan State jumps Notre Dame
#10 USC - they would be in trouble with a loss, because they don't get protection vs. Washington like Stanford does, and they have a head to head blowout loss to Notre Dame, so with another loss the committee might see little reason to keep USC ahead of ND. With only two spots open, it's tough to see USC staying ahead of both Washington and Notre Dame (independent of anyone else) with a loss
#11 TCU - need to root for USC on Friday night, ideally big. That would give Stanford a loss, but put them in the at large pool, meaning Washington couldn't get in over Stanford. Assuming the TCU and Stanford losses are in a way that TCU doesn't drop below Stanford, they would also need to avoid dropping below both Notre Dame and Michigan State
#12 Stanford - the one advantage they have is it doesn't matter being behind Washington. A more impressive loss to USC than a TCU loss to Oklahoma also opens the possibility that TCU falls farther. It also helps that they hold a decisive win over Notre Dame and Notre Dame holds a decisive win over Michigan State. Head to head isn't everything, but with a loss, they would likely drop right into the ND/MSU range, and those decisive head to head results may serve as a defacto tiebreaker, keeping Stanford above the other two
#13 Washington - probably the weirdest case because of their relationship with Stanford. They are ideally slotted to lock up an at large, but the fact that they can't get in over Stanford makes a Cardinal loss a problem. If Stanford beats USC, Washington is almost a lock for an at large, absent both TCU winning AND USC somehow dropping less than 3 spots. However if USC wins, Washington is basically eliminated, as they need Stanford to get in, but as the #5, not #6 at large
#14 Central Florida - probably a long shot, because they would need to essentially hold their position with a loss to Memphis, which I don't see happening. If they do, it throws a wrench in the whole thing
#15 Notre Dame - should be rooting for Stanford over USC, so that USC enters the at large pool, where the committee is more likely to drop them behind the Irish, due to Notre Dame's convincing head to head win, rather than Stanford, who just beat Notre Dame convincingly last week. The flip side is a Stanford win basically locks up a spot for Washington, so Notre Dame would also need to hope TCU falls farther than them.
#16 Michigan State - more thoroughly addressed above. They need USC and Oklahoma to win, and Stanford and TCU to then fall behind them in the rankings, while avoiding any team behind them (LSU) jumping over them
#17 LSU - same as Michigan State, except they also need to jump the Spartans. As addressed above, the best chance of this is for Auburn to beat Georgia, and therefore LSU picking up a win over a conference champ (and possibly the #1 overall team)