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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: 847badgerfan on May 20, 2020, 08:54:00 AM
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I saw a tweet on the UW team board (247) that Ohio State players are to report to Columbus on June 8.
Someone also mentioned a tweet by UW's Julius Davis that he needs an apartment in Madison ASAP.
Looks like we're going to have football, fellas!!
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https://twitter.com/davebiddle/status/1262891865835294722 (https://twitter.com/davebiddle/status/1262891865835294722)
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I think they will manage to have a season except maybe the Pac. However, if ONE PERSON associated with any team contracts COVID ...
The media firestorm would be epic. "FOOTBALL ALLOWING PEOPLE TO DIE JUST TO PLAY A SPORT AND MAKE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Blood on their hands and all that.
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If public transit can stay open...
I'm guessing helmets will be modified to include a full visor??
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I suspect if they can test the 100+ or so people closely associated with the team daily, it might work, with near empty stadia.
I think this also is contingent on seeing no "second wave" which some have predicted. The 1918 second wave is however not related to this at all, that was influenza, not corona, and it mutated.
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I'd have to imagine that their activities outside of the team will need to be limited too. As in, no bar hopping and such.
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I think they will manage to have a season except maybe the Pac. However, if ONE PERSON associated with any team contracts COVID ...
The media firestorm would be epic. "FOOTBALL ALLOWING PEOPLE TO DIE JUST TO PLAY A SPORT AND MAKE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Blood on their hands and all that.
perhaps not a positive test, but if someone dies.
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Yup, the teams would be under virtual quarantine. I'm not sure how the universities are going to hold classes in person.
Or operate dorms. Or anything really. Colleges are inherently crowded places.
Of course, it is POSSIBLE by July this thing is clearly abating (we all hope) and the hot spots can be managed.
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perhaps not a positive test, but if someone dies.
Oh, I think a report of one positive test will inflame the media and politicians.
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certainly, but that in it's self won't kill the season
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I saw a tweet on the UW team board (247) that Ohio State players are to report to Columbus on June 8.
Someone also mentioned a tweet by UW's Julius Davis that he needs an apartment in Madison ASAP.
Looks like we're going to have football, fellas!!
I know the SEC is voting Friday on when players can return to campus, so we've at least sidestepped the delayed season nonsense (which was mostly athletic admins speculating).
That said, we're a long way from fully locking in some games. All of this goes sideways if campuses, which are slowly letting folks back on, start seeing a lot of cases. I hope they don't, but we're like nine weeks from sports shutting down and 14 weeks from kickoff. A lot can happen.
That said, if you don't have one season, college sports could basically collapse as we know it and have to be rebuilt from the bottom. So they'll try no matter what.
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I think they will manage to have a season except maybe the Pac. However, if ONE PERSON associated with any team contracts COVID ...
The media firestorm would be epic. "FOOTBALL ALLOWING PEOPLE TO DIE JUST TO PLAY A SPORT AND MAKE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Blood on their hands and all that.
I mean, they have to factor in someone will. That's gonna happen. Too many people for it not to.
But if it spreads rapidly, that's another story.
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They need to manage expectations and make it clear they expect positive tests to come and have a plan in place to deal with it.
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I'd have to imagine that their activities outside of the team will need to be limited too. As in, no bar hopping and such.
So basically you get to be a star football player, with none of the perks of being a star football player
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"COLLEGE FOOTBALL TEAMS ASSERT THE IMPORTANT OF A GAME OVER THE SAFETY OF THEIR PLAYERS, BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS ..."
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I think they will manage to have a season except maybe the Pac. However, if ONE PERSON associated with any team contracts COVID ...
The media firestorm would be epic. "FOOTBALL ALLOWING PEOPLE TO DIE JUST TO PLAY A SPORT AND MAKE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Blood on their hands and all that.
it's not a question of "if", it's "when". sooner or later, if it's not already happened, an athlete will get it. how they handle it will determine the firestorm. i don't have a ton of faith, tbh.
in europe, soccer teams are starting to report for training to open back up the season. germany already had games. most leagues are having a few players/coaches/staff testing positive. i'm guessing we'll see similar results here for most all sports.
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"COLLEGE FOOTBALL TEAMS ASSERT THE IMPORTANT OF A GAME OVER THE SAFETY OF THEIR PLAYERS, BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS ..."
This is a reminder that someone somewhere will say everything.
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it's not a question of "if", it's "when". sooner or later, if it's not already happened, an athlete will get it. how they handle it will determine the firestorm. i don't have a ton of faith, tbh.
in europe, soccer teams are starting to report for training to open back up the season. germany already had games. most leagues are having a few players/coaches/staff testing positive. i'm guessing we'll see similar results here for most all sports.
They'll serve as the fullback. Things will get normalized. By that point, a test or two will be a one-day story. Which means we shouldn't get our dander up too much when someone somewhere gets fiery about it.
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Some, quite a few, folks actually predicted the pending doom of Liberty Univ. when they reopened campus and those folks have since turned into Emily Litella on the matter.
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(https://i.imgur.com/LStId7J.png)
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Things are going to look very different in a few months. Just because the dorms shut down and classes went online, the players didn't stop meeting with friends, going to house parties, hooking up with girls. They're not social distancing and they're not wearing masks. They're young and they feel invincible and they're not taking a lot of precautions. By the end of the summer, I believe it's highly likely that many of them will show they already have antibodies for this.
The "if one player tests positive" rhetoric will be meaningless, because hundreds and perhaps thousands will have already had it and be testing positive. Non-athlete students in classrooms will have had it, or will be getting it and testing positive, too.
People keep making the mistake of looking at it through the lens of our current enivronment. Things will look a lot different in a few months, which is precisely why nobody should be making far-reaching decisions about the future, right now, because they simply don't have to.
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OSU talking about having 20K in the stands.
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Wow. That would be something. I doubt UW will have any, to be honest.
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Our botanical garden opened, members only for the first week, and your ticket has a time on it for entry. I think football will do something akin to this to limit lines.
Family groups of season ticket holders separated from other family groups, probably 20% capacity or so.
Players will have to maintain a 6 foot distance during play.
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Players will have to maintain a 6 foot distance during play.
Purdue's defense has been training for this!
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sounds like the husker's run defense
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Wsj had a piece on this and they had a map of Kyle Field in how they were planning for this. Very interesting approach. I'd share but, paywall.
No Aggie War Hymn, as far as the fans sawing varsity's horns off.
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Those poor souls, whatever else will they do? :)
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The biggest problem is how to treat positive tests. Say it's Wednesday before OSU Michigan and a couple OSU players test positive. Cancel the game?
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OSU talking about having 20K in the stands.
That is a little under 20% so basically every 5th seat. In theory that would be plenty to keep 6' between each family/household group but how on earth would it be enforced and how on earth would the family/household groups get to their seats while maintaining social distance? It will take some time to figure all of this out.
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OSU talking about having 20K in the stands.
You actually think Buckeye Fans can maintain 6' rules after Keggs and Eggs/Tailgating.You'd have better results herding cats
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That is a little under 20% so basically every 5th seat. In theory that would be plenty to keep 6' between each family/household group but how on earth would it be enforced and how on earth would the family/household groups get to their seats while maintaining social distance? It will take some time to figure all of this out.
Within rows, it's easy. But in front and behind? Nuh uh.
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OSU talking about having 20K in the stands.
At MSU that's just a November game against Maryland
(https://i.imgur.com/8ZKc73K.jpg)
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I love Ohio State always one big step ahead of the rest of the conference. First having players report June 8 and now modeling attendance figures:
https://twitter.com/howaboutafresca/status/1263332738037190656
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Checkerboard seating should be the plan. I guess three seat separation is about 6 feet? How many rows have to be skipped? One or two?
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Even if you only use every fourth seat in the row, you still have to measure front-to-back. At places like the New Brickhouse, that's every 4th row. Kinnick and Camp Randall will be more like 5 rows. So instead of 1 in 4 seats filled, it's more like 1 in 16 or worse.
Whatever happened at Liberty after they brought the students back? Things have gotten really quiet over there.
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I presume many attendees are not single persons, so they could be grouped by group. The student population, well there I don't know as they would be grouped closely together at school frequently.
I think I should wait, my guesses likely will be wrong anyway. As noted, by August, "things" may be rather different.
I recall in late March going to Kroger and the place was almost stripped by panic buying. I had been there two days before and things were "OK". I started worrying about the food distribution system just failing, it didn't obviously.
If I could have been promised the situation of TODAY on March 25th, I would have taken it in a second. We're better off now than I expected.
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Even if you only use every fourth seat in the row, you still have to measure front-to-back. At places like the New Brickhouse, that's every 4th row. Kinnick and Camp Randall will be more like 5 rows. So instead of 1 in 4 seats filled, it's more like 1 in 16 or worse.
Whatever happened at Liberty after they brought the students back? Things have gotten really quiet over there.
They're all dead?
No, not really. I'm assuming nothing much happened, otherwise it would have been reported on endlessly by the media. No catastrophe = no coverage.
Anyway, for seating and social distancing, there are a lot of complexities that would need to be worked out. My family of 4 shouldn't have to be separated, we're living together and breathing one another's air every day. College roommates wouldn't need to be separated for the same reason. College boyfriend/girlfriend, same story. Or boyfriend/boyfriend or girlfriend/girlfriend, whatever floats you boat.
But how to manage dynamic seat assignment with varying degrees of closeness per group? That's tricky.
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They're all dead?
No, not really. I'm assuming nothing much happened, otherwise it would have been reported on endlessly by the media. No catastrophe = no coverage.
Anyway, for seating and social distancing, there are a lot of complexities that would need to be worked out. My family of 4 shouldn't have to be separated, we're living together and breathing one another's air every day. College roommates wouldn't need to be separated for the same reason. College boyfriend/girlfriend, same story. Or boyfriend/boyfriend or girlfriend/girlfriend, whatever floats you boat.
But how to manage dynamic seat assignment with varying degrees of closeness per group? That's tricky.
The town it's in has 75 total cases, and one death.
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The first of three reports on new cases is 356, two more reports to go. Each report can be quite different from the previous one.
But 356 isn't an encouraging figure.
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Anyway, for seating and social distancing, there are a lot of complexities that would need to be worked out. My family of 4 shouldn't have to be separated, we're living together and breathing one another's air every day. College roommates wouldn't need to be separated for the same reason. College boyfriend/girlfriend, same story. Or boyfriend/boyfriend or girlfriend/girlfriend, whatever floats you boat.
But how to manage dynamic seat assignment with varying degrees of closeness per group? That's tricky.
It is a logistical nightmare to even lay out the seating but it *COULD* be done. Someone a LOT better at programming than me could come up with a program to take groups of 1-10 (since 10 is the max, I think) and then seat them such that each group is at least 6' from every other group. That is doable.
The harder part, I think is several things after that:
- Getting those groups into their 6' separated areas while maintaining social distance, and
- Getting them to the restroom and back while maintaining social distance, and
- (if necessary) enforcing this whole thing. How on earth would security/event staff know who was in what group. The problem here isn't just random drunks crashing into other groups's space it is also that with TONS of empty seats there would be pressure to "upgrade" your seat by moving to a better one that is empty.
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At least there appear to be plans to hold the games, however spectators are managed.
I think the next month will be pivotal.
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The biggest problem is how to treat positive tests. Say it's Wednesday before OSU Michigan and a couple OSU players test positive. Cancel the game?
just hold out the 2 players
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not sure schools or players would agree. If Iowa had 2 guys on their team test positive on Tuesday, would you want to play them on Friday? What are the legal implications for the school allowing the team to play? What is Iowa's responsibility? I think it becomes very complex quickly.
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schools are thinking about it...
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just hold out the 2 players
umm :banghead:
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I try not to make thing too complex
2 guys are infected - those guys go into quarantine for 2 weeks - no practice, no games.
Come back in 2 weeks with a negative test
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Right, but then you have to immediately re-test everyone - every player, coach, support staff, etc. And I'd wait 3 weeks, with multiple clean tests before introducing them back with the team.
So we'd potentially have teams playing without random groupings of players. If your team loses its QB and stud DT in a weak section of the schedule, cool. Or if you lose a backup center and your 5th CB, so what? But say you have a position group that has an outbreak - your whole starting D-line and 2 backups are out....wtf? Or they're out 2 weeks earlier, but are held out of a huge game, waiting on another test to come back clean.
Or of the thousands of FBS players, 3 die. Is football worth it then? We're back to the economy vs lives conundrum.
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I try not to make thing too complex
2 guys are infected - those guys go into quarantine for 2 weeks - no practice, no games.
Come back in 2 weeks with a negative test
Issue is that this is so transmissible that if you find 2 players infected on a team, there are a BUNCH more infections. Especially since football is such a close-contact sport.
I agree that any time you find any players you need to quarantine them... But how contagious were they for 1-3 days before they tested positive, and how many players did they have close contact with who now have a 3-5 day incubation period (a portion of which they're contagious) until they'll test positive?
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I have to think that the players will be tested daily. There is no other way to do it.
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We're back to the economy vs lives conundrum.
A bad economy costs lives too.
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This really comes down to a sport versus some risk. Some people who don't care for the sport will claim ANY risk is too much. Others will claim the risk is slight and only 0.000000094% of people get the disease (or some such imaginary Russia bot figure).
As noted above, "we" don't have any idea how just going to class and living in dorms is going to work out. Are colleges inherently going to develop hot spots?
I imagine as soon as reports of an outbreak happen, students will desert en masse.
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A bad economy costs lives too.
We're not "back to the economy vs. lives" discussion. We never left it. It has always been, and always will be, a part of the balancing act that must be performed to allow people to live in the free society that we have created.
And there's no such thing as "The Economy." The economy is just people. Right now a lot of them are jobless, hungry, and scared.
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Yeah, "we" always make compromises between economy and lives, the speed limit being one of them. "We" could ban for example non-nutritive food items (which would eliminate about a third of any Kroger). My KO stock would suffer.
Sweden, often held up as being a paragon of economic virtue, has decided to rely on its people to distance and manage this virus without a shut down. They seem to be managing as well as or better than France, Italy, the UK, Belgium in terms of deaths per million pop, but not as well as Finland/Norway/Denmark.
Football itself is dangerous obviously, and yet we all savor it, somewhat like the old Romans did.
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A bad economy costs lives too.
Yeah....hence the conundrum.
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Sweden, often held up as being a paragon of economic virtue, has decided to rely on its people to distance and manage this virus without a shut down. They seem to be managing as well as or better than France, Italy, the UK, Belgium in terms of deaths per million pop, but as well as Finland/Norway/Denmark.
What?
Sweden: pop ~10 million
~33,000 cases
~ 4,000 deaths
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Norway: pop ~ 5 million
~ 8,000 cases
= 235 deaths
You can chop Sweden's numbers in half and it's still nearly 10x the deaths of Norway. Please don't spew bullshit.
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I think Cincy meant to write "but not as well as Finland/Norway/Denmark". Otherwise the statement makes no sense, and anyone who has looked at the numbers knows that Cincy couldn't have believed that Sweden was doing as well as Finland/Norway/Denmark.
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I think Cincy meant to write "but not as well as Finland/Norway/Denmark". Otherwise the statement makes no sense, and anyone who has looked at the numbers knows that Cincy couldn't have believed that Sweden was doing as well as Finland/Norway/Denmark.
This is how I took it.
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This is how I took it.
Yup same here.
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Sweden's Trolley Problem (https://thebulwark.com/swedens-trolley-problem/?utm_source=afternoon-newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=The+Bulwark+Newsletter&utm_campaign=5eff17a0da-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_05_21_09_41&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_f4bd64ac2e-5eff17a0da-80836886)
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Sorry, my bad. I'll go back and fix it.
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The SEC has OK'd voluntary workouts June 8. It sounds to me like they are going to give it a go.
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Bill Moos says football and basketball players will return to campus June 1.
Construction of the $155 million football training facility will not begin in June as originally scheduled.
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The SEC has OK'd voluntary workouts June 8. It sounds to me like they are going to give it a go.
Well, that's good for Tennessee, but what about the other SEC schools.
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UGA is reporting players June 8, it's "voluntary", as in "Do you want any chance of playing?" ... They need some time to get their transfer QB up to speed.
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It's not an SEC thing. The NCAA voted on it and all schools are allowed to open up voluntary activities on June 8.
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Well, the SEC went along with it, I reckon, I surmise each conference and school can open then, or not.
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Well, that's good for Tennessee, but what about the other SEC schools.
That's funny!
I didn't get it last night, but now I'm more awake.
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That's funny!
I didn't get it last night, but now I'm more awake.
Same.
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Same.
Same. Too drunk.
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UM president says no football if students aren't on campus
https://twitter.com/Bachscore/status/1264560633862815744?s=19
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UM president says no football if students aren't on campus
https://twitter.com/Bachscore/status/1264560633862815744?s=19
I mean, that makes sense.
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It's not an SEC thing. The NCAA voted on it and all schools are allowed to open up voluntary activities on June 8.
This is like not wearing masks or wielding firearms......just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.
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I get a notion that the mask thing is underappreciated as a preventative, looking at some Asian precedents. It's not for you, it's for them, and I can't fathom the resistance to wearing one at times.
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I get a notion that the mask thing is underappreciated as a preventative, looking at some Asian precedents. It's not for you, it's for them, and I can't fathom the resistance to wearing one at times.
The only explanation I can fathom is that it is a political statement, often masquerading--perhaps even in the non-mask-wearer's own mind--as something else.
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I mean, that makes sense.
It does if you consider football players and regular students equal in the classroom
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It does if you consider football players and regular students equal in the classroom
I probably don't.
But if the school can't do some approximation of school things, it seems very generous to let back 100 kids just so they can play sports on TV. It announces this is a mostly separate enterprise, and college sports ain't gonna do that.
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so, they perpetuate the lie?
I'm good with that
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lotta $$$ at stake
if this doesn't pull the curtain back from the truth, nothing will
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lotta $$$ at stake
if this doesn't pull the curtain back from the truth, nothing will
More at stake with 10s of thousands possibly paying reduced tuiton and room and board
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The only explanation I can fathom is that it is a political statement, often masquerading--perhaps even in the non-mask-wearer's own mind--as something else.
I read an article that included reference to multiple researchers who conclude the use of masks by 80% of the population would stop the spread, and thus end the pandemic. With that kind of evidence, I am not sure why political leaders at the highest level do not model this behavior. Unless they have evidence the virus will either magically go away, or there will be a vaccine in place by September, it would seem to be in their political interest to model and encourage mask wearing while citing the research.
I do think the mask has preventative value for the wearer, although clearly it has more preventative value for those around the wearer. A face shield with a mask would be the ideal. I actually saw someone with a face shield and mask outside the local grocery store Friday in our town of 5,000. Inside the grocery store on Friday I was surprised to see mask use was up to about 50% or higher; other days I have been in there has been closer to 30%.
Sunday, at the local Casey's General Store (convenience store for those outside their marketing area), no customer except one (moi) wore a mask. Two or three workers had masks; the other six or seven inside the store had none.
We have had only 13 confirmed cases in this county, but I am quite certain there have been many more cases.
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I get a notion that the mask thing is underappreciated as a preventative and I can't fathom the resistance to wearing one at times.
Damn shame I can't walk into the bank these days - I like cheap thrills
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Yes, some university Presidents want to maintain the fiction that athletes are "just students" like everyone else.
Some of them of course are decent to good students, but they are athletes first in everyone's eyes in reality, athletes who happen to go to class, some.
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Damn shame I can't walk into the bank these days - I like cheap thrills
you are certainly free to drive to the bank wearing a mask
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I read an article that included reference to multiple researchers who conclude the use of masks by 80% of the population would stop the spread, and thus end the pandemic. With that kind of evidence, I am not sure why political leaders at the highest level do not model this behavior. Unless they have evidence the virus will either magically go away, or there will be a vaccine in place by September, it would seem to be in their political interest to model and encourage mask wearing while citing the research.
to heck with modeling, if wearing masks would kill this virus, why not send everyone a 6 month supply of masks instead of $600? Then pass a law that could be enforced to make sure folks wore them in public.
This is the first I've heard of this research, but then I don't follow the media.
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I get a notion that the mask thing is underappreciated as a preventative, looking at some Asian precedents. It's not for you, it's for them, and I can't fathom the resistance to wearing one at times.
I was reading an article about the propaganda campaign during the Spanish Flu to try to get men to wear masks. Some said it was an affront on their civil liberties. Some just chafed against it because they considered it "feminine" to wear a mask. I think for many it belied a sense of fear and vulnerability in a culture where men are supposed to never show fear.
I suspect it's mainly that last one. Wearing a mask shows fear. Men aren't allowed to show fear. Every other reason is just a rationalization for that.
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so THAT's why I don't wear a mask
good to know
makes sense
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Personally, I wear one because my wife told me to.
I fear some things more than coronavirus :57:
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We wear one if we are near anyone else, aside from passing quickly on a sidewalk.
It's a courtesy, and I think is more effective than one might think. I see repeated disinformation memes on FB about masks for whatever reason, they may come from foreign bots.
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So Housing and Res Life will determine if there will be athletics on campus this fall.
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So Housing and Res Life will determine if there will be athletics on campus this fall.
I mean, that’s one way to describe boards, presidents and the powers behind them.
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If the gov't protects Universities from lawsuits, does this change the likelihood of fall sports? And will schools make the decisions or conferences? What if everyone in the BIG says we are starting school this fall but Iowa. Then what?
I still think enough programs will be concerned about "student welfare"... I mean lawsuits that we will not have fall sports. jmo
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If the gov't protects Universities from lawsuits, does this change the likelihood of fall sports? And will schools make the decisions or conferences? What if everyone in the BIG says we are starting school this fall but Iowa. Then what?
I still think enough programs will be concerned about "student welfare"... I mean lawsuits that we will not have fall sports. jmo
I think by the time we hit the Fall, so many students and young people will have already had it, that it's not going to be a big deal.
I also don't think anyone's going to be able to prove someone got it during a football game, rather than in kinesiology class, or at the grocery store, or at the nightclub, or in the dorm cafeteria, or in the dorm bathroom, or at the restaurant. I think the fear of lawsuits is overblown.
That doesn't mean some places won't go forward with cancellations "out of an abundance of caution" but it does mean that the world is going to look very different in 3 months. This is certainly my opinion based on my own assumptions, of course.
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I think by the time we hit the Fall, so many students and young people will have already had it, that it's not going to be a big deal.
it won't be a big deal until a few students die. athletes or otherwise
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it won't be a big deal until a few students die. athletes or otherwise
That's not really happening now, so I don't see a whole lot of reason to think it will happen in the Fall.
Like I keep saying, the young people didn't stop socializing just because classes were shut down and bars weren't open. They kept on meeting in groups that they weren't related to, they kept on dating, they kept on hooking up, they kept on drinking, they kept on partying. They just did it behind closed doors.
And now, they're not even forced to do it behind closed doors in most places. They're hitting the lake, the beach, and the bars once again.
Whole different world 3 months from now.
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I hope you're right
I just think it's inevitable that a few students will die.
and this would have happened if they were back on campus or not, but since they are on campus, it will be a huge deal.
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I'm going to guess someone will file a lawsuit if they become sick. They complaint will be the school did not do enough to help prevent the spread or protect the students. I do think that will be the situation. It won't be a death. It will be about someone or a group who feels proper steps were not taken... and the courts will then determine what should be considered proper steps. Universities will want to be on the correct side of the prevention bell curve.
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It's going to be pretty difficult to prove they got it from someone on the team, even if a couple of players test positive at the same time.
Looking at it through the current lens is the problem most are having right now. These kids are going to spend all summer mingling. There will be a lot of infection between now and then. There won't be a lot of severe illness or death, because that's just not happening at significant rates in their age group.
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What are college students doing this summer? It's an interesting question, some activities above no doubt are happening. Quite a few probably are working at Lowe's et al. or restaurants. They aren't going to bars or concerts or nightclubs until the wee hours. I wonder if some "crop up" gypsy nightclubs are extant.
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What are college students doing this summer? It's an interesting question, some activities above no doubt are happening. Quite a few probably are working at Lowe's et al. or restaurants. They aren't going to bars or concerts or nightclubs until the wee hours. I wonder if some "crop up" gypsy nightclubs are extant.
They ARE going to bars, at least here, because the bars are now open. Restaurants are opening to 50% capacity too and they're going there. They're going to the lake and crowding onto boats together, I've already seen evidence of this first-hand having been out on the lake myself several times now this summer. They're going to beaches in large groups, too.
It's true they're not going to concerts. So that's one thing I suppose.
And yes, the ones that need to work, are likely going to work if they can find jobs. Some of the college kids I know are returning to their summer jobs as lifeguards at the pools (which are now opening) and working boats/docking at the marinas.
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I also believe there will be a push for Universities to open in the fall in order to keep/attract students. There have been several articles written on the perception of costs to attend a university on campus vs virtual.
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We have about three months. I am reminded of just two months ago, late March, this was looking scary, a lot of unknowables. Italy was looking horrible and folks feared that could happen here, and worse. I went to Kroger on a Wednesday and it was starting to look strained and went back the next day for a couple things and it was almost stripped bare. I was buying up dried beans and jugs of water "in case" we lost our distribution capacities. I worried about utilities staying up, water and electricity. We were joking about killing squirrels and geese in the park for "dinner". I was not as scared about getting it as I was a societal breakdown of order and the necessaries, forget about toilet paper.
If you had offered me "today" back then as an option, I would have jumped on it. As noted above, in another two months things may be quite different yet, hopefully for the better, no resurgence in cases as people start back into life, or no major surge anyway. Maybe we can retain some precautions for a longer period and still find we can get on with our lives for the most part.
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I am of the opinion wave 2 will happen earlier than Oct/Nov... that bias does impact my comments.
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I also believe there will be a push for Universities to open in the fall in order to keep/attract students. There have been several articles written on the perception of costs to attend a university on campus vs virtual.
Absolutely. The parents of college kids that I know, are absolutely unwilling to pay full tuition price for a semester of online education. It was one thing to accept a shift to online schooling in the midst of the onset of the pandemic right after Spring Break. It's quite another to start off a brand new semester that way.
Most of those parents and kids I know are all saying they'll take a "gap year" rather than pay for online-only education. The financial shortfall for universities would be devastating.
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https://www.popsci.com/story/health/covid-19-coronavirus-immunity-vaccine/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR0VH6rI8Y2o8olFDFQtkq0UTabAyJRD-C_JMkYSqtmwmMQ21r9BJ3L1O-I (https://www.popsci.com/story/health/covid-19-coronavirus-immunity-vaccine/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR0VH6rI8Y2o8olFDFQtkq0UTabAyJRD-C_JMkYSqtmwmMQ21r9BJ3L1O-I)
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I am of the opinion wave 2 will happen earlier than Oct/Nov... that bias does impact my comments.
I find all the people talking about "wave 2" have an implicit assumption that this thing will wane over summer... I don't know that I agree.
As we open up over the summer, I think we're just going to have a slow burn of new cases and deaths. I don't think it'll decline much from here, and might increase a bit.
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I find all the people talking about "wave 2" have an implicit assumption that this thing will wane over summer... I don't know that I agree.
As we open up over the summer, I think we're just going to have a slow burn of new cases and deaths. I don't think it'll decline much from here, and might increase a bit.
Yup, this is where I'm at as well.
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I don't see any basis for any seasonality at this point. This isn't influenza virus. Being out and about could be worse with this, not better.
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I hope you're right
I just think it's inevitable that a few students will die.
and this would have happened if they were back on campus or not, but since they are on campus, it will be a huge deal.
I'm sure there will be some that die, just like every year with the seasonal flu, car accidents, drug and alcohol abuse and so on. We cannot remove all threats to people and keep everyone in a safe, sterile environment. At some point we have to allow people to live their lives.
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I don't see any basis for any seasonality at this point. This isn't influenza virus. Being out and about could be worse with this, not better.
I don't believe it has any seasonality. I do believe summer socializing will lead to new spikes and a repeat of shutting things down. Hope I'm wrong, but that is what I believe today.
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btw.. 65% of our health system clients believe there will be another wave in the fall and are trying to prepare financially. This means adding more capabilities around telehealth and remote access. Health systems are prepping for another spike.
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I don't believe it has any seasonality. I do believe summer socializing will lead to new spikes and a repeat of shutting things down. Hope I'm wrong, but that is what I believe today.
If hospitals don't get overrun, there's no need to shut anything down.
Flattening the curve somehow became eradicating the virus, at least to some people. That was not the original intent, and I consider it to be completely impossible anyway.
The American public isn't going to willingly quarantine people that are not sick, ever again. I think it would have to become a "bodies lining streets" scenario for the American public to allow any further shutdowns.
Obviously, I hope it never gets to that, and I don't expect it to.
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The overrun only happened in a few areas. What if it happens in Dallas and Houston next time? This was really only a problem in a few areas according to many.
Btw.. we never quarantined. Name a state where you could not leave your house to get groceries? The US actually just shut down segments of the economy and asked people to stay home as much as possible. There was no quarantine. So all we did was slow down the spread.. .nothing else. Foolish for those who suggest otherwise (not you, but those who suggest we would eliminate the virus).
I probably work around the wrong people. And I know people who have had the virus. I'm not for shutting down for another 8 months, but many are being reckless and proud of it. I hope the fears expressed to me are just that...
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The overrun only happened in a few areas. What if it happens in Dallas and Houston next time? This was really only a problem in a few areas according to many.
Btw.. we never quarantined. Name a state where you could not leave your house to get groceries? The US actually just shut down segments of the economy and asked people to stay home as much as possible. There was no quarantine. So all we did was slow down the spread.. .nothing else. Foolish for those who suggest otherwise (not you, but those who suggest we would eliminate the virus).
I probably work around the wrong people. And I know people who have had the virus. I'm not for shutting down for another 8 months, but many are being reckless and proud of it. I hope the fears expressed to me are just that...
It was shut down to the point that there was nowhere to go-- not even parks were open in my community. No bars/restaurants/retail stores/parks/beaches/lakefront. Nothing. It was all completely shut down. Only thing open was grocery, and hardware stores. WalMart and Targets that have groceries were also allowed to remain open.
That's a pretty stout shutdown in my opinion. People that are NOT sick were told they couldn't go to any of those places above.
And I'm glad that it seems to have been effective. Given the complete vacancy at area hospitals and the fact that many of them had to cut hours for doctors and nurses, and lay off nurses and staffers, you might even say it was overly effective.
I'm telling you right now, well people in this country aren't going to put up with it again. This was the government's one chance to do it. I hope they got it right.
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One thing to always remember about being prepared... if the response was "you over reacted" it actually means you did your job effectively.
In Missouri, shut down wasn't really enforced. For a few weeks... yes..., but people were going to parks well before things opened and drive way gatherings started to be the norm. After 2 weeks, people felt safe and starting socializing with others who were "safe". Farmers never stopped... the food industry was business as usual. A lot did shut down, but if I wanted friends over, there was nothing stopping me from doing it. And people justified what they wanted to do. We all have friends on FB to prove that point.
That said... I think we made many mistakes. Some, at the time felt correct. I do think if you take away the financial concerns (say.. the gov't pays all mortgages, rent, etc for 3 months), the rush to go back would have been more measured. When you tell someone they have a 3% chance of catching the virus and a 100% chance of losing everything, it's tough not to suggest the economy shouldn't open back up. Feels like we've been on a pendulum and now we over react again.
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One thing to always remember about being prepared... if the response was "you over reacted" it actually means you did your job effectively.
That said... I think we made many mistakes. Some, at the time felt correct. I do think if you take away the financial concerns (say.. the gov't pays all mortgages, rent, etc for 3 months), the rush to go back would have been more measured. When you tell someone they have a 3% chance of catching the virus and a 100% chance of losing everything, it's tough not to suggest the economy shouldn't open back up. Feels like we've been on a pendulum and now we over react again.
Yeah, I see a lot of folks saying this. And I get it.
But sometimes, if the response is "you over reacted"-- it might just be because you overreacted.
It's pretty clear to me that the measures implemented in NYC were not enough. The measures implemented in Austin, Texas, were probably too much.
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btw... I missed debating with you. found memories...
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I added this above...
In Missouri, shut down wasn't really enforced. For a few weeks..yes..., but people were going to parks well before things opened and drive way gatherings started to be the norm. After 2 weeks, people felt safe and starting socializing with others who were "safe". Farmers never stopped... the food industry was business as usual. A lot did shut down, but if I wanted friends over, there was nothing stopping me from doing it. And people justified what they wanted to do. We all have friends on FB to prove that point.
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btw... I missed debating with you. found memories...
It's all good my old friend.
I'm just expressing my opinion of course. I definitely took it more seriously than many in my family, at first. It took a couple weeks of arguing with my parents before I could get them to stay in and stop socializing. Once all the restaurants closed, that inhibited them, of course. :)
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another way to say that... as I'm on a conference call.. lol.... Around us, after 2 weeks, opinions of social distancing seemed to flex based upon the desires of the individual. "as long as I'm outside..." "we've all been isolated"... "kids need to hang out.. not fair to them"...
and btw.. I did participate in a driveway gathering. And we did justify it. I'm not a lock down person, but I do think closing the door one week and opening it the next is not the right approach. just how I feel.
So I probably agree with you on what we did.. to an extent. I have more issues with how we have decided to reopen. That's just me..
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It's all good my old friend.
I'm just expressing my opinion of course. I definitely took it more seriously than many in my family, at first. It took a couple weeks of arguing with my parents before I could get them to stay in and stop socializing. Once all the restaurants closed, that inhibited them, of course. :)
My parents took some time as well. My mom visited a casino and my dad never stopped working.
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I don't know if there's any true "good" way to reopen, or at least no way that's going to satisfy a majority.
Right now we're doing limited capacity and distancing within restaurants and bars and retail. Concerts and sporting events are still not happening. People are naturally wary and are returning slowly, anyway, according to their own level of comfort/risk aversion. As I keep saying, I believe this is a good thing. Because I'm of the opinion that the virus is here to stay and so a slow burn is the best way to move toward herd immunity while not overrunning the hospitals.
And I think 3 months from now things are going to look very different for us. Especially if reliable antibody testing is rolled out, because I think we're going to find a pretty high percentage of young people have already been infected.
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agree. I think we will find out a lot of people had this in Jan and Feb.
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Any little overreaction would be directly due to the fact that most people need to be saved from themselves. The fact that most infected people don't show symptoms only exacerbates this "brilliance."
Yes, we have freedoms and value them. Yes, we have the freedom to be stupid (or reckless, if you prefer). But a person's freedom to be stupid stops the moment it puts me or others at greater risk.
No, most people congregating close to each other in large groups won't be infected. No, most of those infected won't know it. And no, most who know it won't die...but some will. Some people will die because they wanted the freedom to have a good time.
They have the freedom to die. And state governments haven't been overreaching to try to save them from themselves, they've been trying to simply take care of the people.
It's not a bad thing.
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I still at a complete shock that we are treating this as the Black Plague.
You take away New York and the stats are low
You take away nursing home deaths and again the death rate is very low.
If you are old and/or have an underlying condition stay isolated. If you know people like this stay away from them. Do the type of things we have done forever with the flu.
If we have a hot sport. Shut things down there.
INSTEAD IT IS FLEE PANIC DEATH IS COMING SHUT EVERYTHING DOWN AND DESTROY PEOPLE'S LIVES. If you are under 60s and no underlying condition, you may get it, but the odds are just a favorable of surviving as if you got the flu, yet we are going to treat this differently.
In the UK researchers for a vaccine are worried they may not have enough infected people to be able to reliably test a vaccine.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/uk-scientists-want-to-infect-volunteers-with-covid-19-in-race-to-find-vaccine/ar-BB14wl2i (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/uk-scientists-want-to-infect-volunteers-with-covid-19-in-race-to-find-vaccine/ar-BB14wl2i)
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agree. I think we will find out a lot of people had this in Jan and Feb.
I doubt that... People keep suggesting it, but given the way this thing came on that would be a LOT of people with mild or asymptomatic cases and essentially zero severe/deadly cases.
Unless this thing had a horrible mutation right around late February, it just doesn't make sense. Especially since we saw heavy deaths in Europe before they started here.
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I still at a complete shock that we are treating this as the Black Plague.
You take away New York and the stats are low
You take away nursing home deaths and again the death rate is very low.
If you are old and/or have an underlying condition stay isolated. If you know people like this stay away from them. Do the type of things we have done forever with the flu.
If we have a hot sport. Shut things down there.
INSTEAD IT IS FLEE PANIC DEATH IS COMING SHOUT EVERYTHING DOWN AND DESTROY PEOPLE'S LIVES. If you are under 60s and no underlying condition, you may get it, but the odds are just a favorable of surviving as if you got the flu, yet we are going to treat this differently.
In the UK researchers for a vaccine are worried they may not have enough infected people to be able to reliably test a vaccine.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/uk-scientists-want-to-infect-volunteers-with-covid-19-in-race-to-find-vaccine/ar-BB14wl2i (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/uk-scientists-want-to-infect-volunteers-with-covid-19-in-race-to-find-vaccine/ar-BB14wl2i)
You're ignoring that the virus is novel to humans.
We don't have any clue what (if any) long-term affects there are. Even recently, it seems to cause a whole different set of problems on some children.
You're acting like we knew all about it in February. We don't know all about it NOW. Sorry, but no, we cannot afford to assume every novel virus is no big deal.
You can be as loose with your health/life as you want, but the rest of us will, as we should, be cautious when something completely new starts to spread. This is not even a debate.
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I saw a study on deaths in 2020 compared to historical norms. If you take the normal death rates and add Covid to them, there is a gap... I think some flu deaths were actually covid but we didn't know it. Therefore, people had it and didn't know as well. jmo
riffraft.... not everyone who survives COVID-19 is ok. Lung scaring will take years off your life. In general, I get your point. I just wanted to point out that some small % of the survivors end up with long term health problems.
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I saw a study on deaths in 2020 compared to historical norms. If you take the normal death rates and add Covid to them, there is a gap... I think some flu deaths were actually covid but we didn't know it. Therefore, people had it and didn't know as well. jmo
That data is available from the CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm)
We didn't really start going above normal until mid-late March.
Agreed about the gap, though. It's one of the reasons I argue we're not overcounting COVID-19 deaths. Maybe not ALL of the gap is COVID, but I would suspect some are.
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What I saw was global broken down by regions... europe, asia, etc. That might explain some differences in timing. It was interesting that cities with COVID spikes had unexplained death spikes as well. Cities without the covid spikes saw muted increases in total as well.
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I imagine this will get studied extensively, huh, in the future. We may find things later we just don't know now at all, and don't suspect. The difference in death rates versus the norm is fascinating.
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It would be interesting to remove deaths from nursing homes - long term care facilities and then check the numbers
I've heard as high as more than 25% of deaths were from these facilities
also, throwing out NYC stats
I'm guessing those two groups sway the numbers quite a bit.
Then you could go after meat packing plants
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It would be interesting to remove deaths from nursing homes - long term care facilities and then check the numbers
I've heard as high as more than 25% of deaths were from these facilities
also, throwing out NYC stats
I'm guessing those two groups sway the numbers quite a bit.
Then you could go after meat packing plants
Other than that, how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln?
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It would be interesting to remove deaths from nursing homes - long term care facilities and then check the numbers
I've heard as high as more than 25% of deaths were from these facilities
also, throwing out NYC stats
I'm guessing those two groups sway the numbers quite a bit.
Then you could go after meat packing plants
It sounds like Darrell Hazell.
"Well, if you remove the 5 touchdowns the other team scored, I think our defense played pretty well."
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just saying, nursing homes, NYC, and meat packing plants don't reflect 90% of the country
no place in the country is the same as all other spots, but ....
if Purdue played defense much worse than the rest of the Conference, it could skew the numbers
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just saying, nursing homes, NYC, and meat packing plants don't reflect 90% of the country
The unspoken conclusion is "so it's not that bad for the rest of us".
Whereas while nursing homes are one thing (a tight aggregation of the most vulnerable population), NYC or meat packing plants isn't. Essentially those should show us all that this is a pretty aggressively transmissible virus, such that anyone in close proximity sees it rip through like crazy.
But people are going the opposite direction like "well we can throw those numbers out because they don't matter to us" when I'm saying they absolutely matter to you.
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the difference with packing plants is they have trouble keeping employees
hard work for little pay
therefore, they gave employees bonuses for continuing to work every shift w/o missing one for a month even though many many were sick and showing all the symptoms of COVID
all about production and money
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According to Nebraska’s 2019 financial year report, NU brought in a total of $35 million of revenue in seven home games in 2018, all of which were sold out. With its relatively minimal expenses, that’s $32 million of net income from home football games that helps fuel NU’s athletic budget.
If capacity for the 2020 season fell to 20,000 or 30,000 fans, as some in the sport have suggested, Nebraska could lose as much as $27 million of game-day revenue, slicing total game day revenue to only $8 million.
Surprised to see the TV revenue figure is about the same
There’s also the question of TV money. Nebraska collected $36 million from televised football games last season. But Moos said that could drop in 2020.
https://www.omaha.com/sports/college/huskers/teams/football/nebraska-could-lose-27-million-in-gameday-profits-with-20-000-fans-at-memorial-stadium/article_306e2df1-c0f0-58b4-8dee-122109bf0c38.amp.html (https://www.omaha.com/sports/college/huskers/teams/football/nebraska-could-lose-27-million-in-gameday-profits-with-20-000-fans-at-memorial-stadium/article_306e2df1-c0f0-58b4-8dee-122109bf0c38.amp.html)
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Frost needs a pay cut, to a salary commensurate with his performance. That would help.
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the difference with packing plants is they have trouble keeping employees
hard work for little pay
therefore, they gave employees bonuses for continuing to work every shift w/o missing one for a month even though many many were sick and showing all the symptoms of COVID
all about production and money
Yeah, and that's true of the restaurant industry too. Hard work for little pay. And once some of these servers/cooks come off unemployment and they need that money again, they're going to try to suffer through as much as they can. Sure, we might have mandatory temp screening at the beginning of a shift for a few weeks, but who knows how long they'll diligently be doing that.
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It was interesting in this book about the TC railroad how the folks in California had trouble getting workers. They often didn't get paid. So, they sort of caved in and hired Chinese with considerable debate and trepidation. It turned out they worked harder and longer and cheaper and with few labor issues than anyone else, so they actively promoted folks in China to come over.
I see that today with Hispanics and jobs like meat plants and construction. Nearly every construction site around us is being worked by Hispanics. And you don't see them standing around lollygagging either.
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Frost needs a pay cut, to a salary commensurate with his performance. That would help.
so, does Paul need a raise?
are you measuring performance as wins and losses only?
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It was interesting in this book about the TC railroad how the folks in California had trouble getting workers. They often didn't get paid. So, they sort of caved in and hired Chinese with considerable debate and trepidation. It turned out they worked harder and longer and cheaper and with few labor issues than anyone else, so they actively promoted folks in China to come over.
I see that today with Hispanics and jobs like meat plants and construction. Nearly every construction site around us is being worked by Hispanics. And you don't see them standing around lollygagging either.
If you recall, a lot of the workers that the Central Pacific (building eastward from Sacramento) hired deserted as soon as the line of advance got near the gold fields. The Chinese didn't desert. IIRC, it may have been because they were excluded from owning land.
The Union Pacific (building westward from Omaha) had a motley crew of Irish immigrants, Civil War veterans (from both sides), and assorted reprobates. The track crew was closely followed by "Hell on Wheels," the mobile bordello and gambling hall that followed right behind the workers.
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It was known it likely would happen at some point, and Bill Moos thought Husker athletics proved prepared for when it did.
A Husker player did test positive for COVID-19, Nebraska's athletic director confirmed during an interview with Husker247 on Friday, and was moved to isolation.
"We have had a positive that I know of, only one so far," Moos said. "We followed the protocol on the testing to determine that it was a positive test, and then the protocol continued as to isolation and addressing it. We don't want any positive tests, but we have now gone through the actual positive test in how we addressed it, and it worked very, very well. And if we have another positive test, we know that our protocol works and will be followed again."
Moos said earlier this week the Huskers have a strict protocol for their athletes that has even been copied by peer institutions in the conference. When student-athletes arrive, they are quarantined for two days, and then tested, with a helping hand from UNMC.
As for handling a positive test?
"Anyone who was involved with that student – that would be those who conducted the test, the trainers, a football operations person, for example, they are quarantined and tested after 48 hours," Moos said. "The individual who did test positive goes into an isolation period while going through the rest of the protocol before they can return to voluntary activities."
Moos has said that about 150 to 175 student-athletes were already on campus, with more arrivals coming with voluntary workouts being opened back up in small groups beginning June 1.
For new arrivals, some will be in dorms in the beginning for summer sessions, "but we're in the process of hopefully getting a waiver to allow freshmen to live off campus, and I'm very optimistic that we will get that," Moos said. "We're talking about less than 20 in football, and maybe 25 and a couple more for all the fall sports. So I'm optimistic that we'll get some relief there."
According to Moos, "a good many of (the newcomers) have already been here, and have been tested, and they're ready to come in on Monday to start voluntary workouts. And we have continued through this week, and on to next, on more waves of primarily football players," but also volleyball, men's and women's basketball, and soccer.
Nobody is required to work out, and have to be in groups of 10 or less, and that includes those trainers in the room.
Moos has reiterated to his team in the athletic department the same thing he said from the very beginning of the COVID-19 concerns: The playbook has changed, and it's an opponent you don't know a whole lot about, nor how long you will be competing with it.
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Big Ten Power Rankings ahead of the 2020 season
https://247sports.com/college/nebraska/LongFormArticle/Big-Ten-Power-Rankings-ahead-of-the-2020-season-Ohio-State-Buckeyes-Michigan-Wolverines-Penn-State-Wisconsin-Minnesota-147761702/?utm_source=247Sports%2520Newsletter&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_campaign=200602_103300_NebraskaCornhuskers&utm_content=Link (https://247sports.com/college/nebraska/LongFormArticle/Big-Ten-Power-Rankings-ahead-of-the-2020-season-Ohio-State-Buckeyes-Michigan-Wolverines-Penn-State-Wisconsin-Minnesota-147761702/?utm_source=247Sports%20Newsletter&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_campaign=200602_103300_NebraskaCornhuskers&utm_content=Link)
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Oklahoma State linebacker Amen Ogbongbemiga said in a tweet on Tuesday that he has tested positive for Covid-19 after attending a protest.
"After attending a protest in Tulsa AND being well protective of myself, I have tested positive for COVID-19," Ogbongbemiga tweeted. "Please, if you are going to protest, take care of yourself and stay safe."
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I see the Minister of Health in Sweden saying they could have done better, some hybrid thing, which makes sense.
If the objective is simply to keep the elderly safe and prevent hospital collapse, we can probably do that while keeping classes open, but we may have to require face masks across the board.
Colleges are ideal venues for contagion for obvious reasons.
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Oklahoma State linebacker Amen Ogbongbemiga said in a tweet on Tuesday that he has tested positive for Covid-19 after attending a protest.
"After attending a protest in Tulsa AND being well protective of myself, I have tested positive for COVID-19," Ogbongbemiga tweeted. "Please, if you are going to protest, take care of yourself and stay safe."
Seems pretty quick to have attended one of these protests, been infected, had it incubate, get a test, and then already have the test results.
I think it's probably more likely he contracted it beforehand. Like I've said many times, a huge portion of the college-aged population never social-distanced, never stopped meeting and hanging out, never stopped dating, never stopped hooking up, never stopped having house parties. They're kids, they feel invincible, and they're not listening to authorities.
I think it's possible he just doesn't want to admit all the other stuff, and the protests are a convenient and plausible excuse.
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It is possible if he contracted it on Friday. He might not yet have symptoms, could have been feeling a bit sick and got tested, and his team required testing.
"We" are going to have to deal with this thing as is lies, simple as that.
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It is possible if he contracted it on Friday. He might not yet have symptoms, could have been feeling a bit sick and got tested, and his team required testing.
"We" are going to have to deal with this thing as is lies, simple as that.
Exposure Friday to positive results Tuesday would be... really, really quick. Like I said, I think it's unlikely.
But I do agree that "we are going to have to deal with this thing as it lies." I agree 100%. Pandora's box is open.
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It's not really that quick, symptoms CAN show up in 2 days after exposure. Antibodies would be present even sooner. The mean time of symptoms is a bit over a week and can be longer (or never). There is quite a range.
But symptoms or not, you'd still test positive.
The other side of course is he's contagious and was out in a crowd. R naught could have been ten or more.
If there are say just ten like him in a crowd of 1,000 and R0 is 10, that is 100 infections in one day, and the next day it would be wildfire.