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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: 847badgerfan on May 08, 2020, 12:34:40 PM
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Fellas,
I admire how that thread was handled, but it got to a point where names were getting used and that can lead to a bad path as we are all clearly different in our preferences.
With the news that came out yesterday from the DOJ and the fallout that's going to come, I just felt like that thread would have gone worse than it already started to get.
I'm completely open for discussion on this. I'm not a dictator - this place is for ALL of us. Tell me what you think.
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I don't need a political thread
I come here for football
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I agree. I thought "we" did pretty well, but an election is upcoming. My preference is not to have a clue about the political leanings of any poster here. There is an area for that. It is a bit .... um ...., different.
Most of those posters there would not survive around here I think even posting about football.
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I don't need a political thread
I come here for football
I've learned all my social graces here!
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I can tell
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There's a whole forum at the bottom of the list where people can discuss politics. I suggest that people that can't help but interject their personal opinions on politics, go there and discuss it to their hearts' content.
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It never turned into a pie discussion, so it had to go.
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There's a whole forum at the bottom of the list where people can discuss politics. I suggest that people that can't help but interject their personal opinions on politics, go there and discuss it to their hearts' content.
May I interject that IPAs still suck?
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I can tell
That is a dirty,low down,no good,accurate thing to say
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I'm not a dictator
-Said every dictator ever.
;)
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Yeah, it was a valiant effort to keep it about policy rather than politics, but I think it was almost inevitable that it would end up there--particularly in an election year.
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It was a good example of how people can discuss how to approach or solve problems with the best of intentions, but the insertion of tribalism derails those conversations and turns them into attempts to one-up each other, which has little chance to move the needle in a positive direction.
Good call to shut it down.
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Should you ever drink beer with pie? (Not pizza, regular pie, like apple). (Asking for an aunt.)
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Should you ever drink beer with pie? (Not pizza, regular pie, like apple). (Asking for an aunt.)
Don't make me close this one too dammit.
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-Said every dictator ever.
;)
(https://i.imgur.com/cwZDH4p.png)
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Fellas,
I admire how that thread was handled, but it got to a point where names were getting used and that can lead to a bad path as we are all clearly different in our preferences.
With the news that came out yesterday from the DOJ and the fallout that's going to come, I just felt like that thread would have gone worse than it already started to get.
I'm completely open for discussion on this. I'm not a dictator - this place is for ALL of us. Tell me what you think.
This is fine and I'm fine with it. Not mad it was closed.
If people want my opinions on such things, they can DM me. Chances are they will not.
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Should you ever drink beer with pie? (Not pizza, regular pie, like apple). (Asking for an aunt.)
... Is there any good beer desert combo? I feel like sugar residue on the tastebuds makes beer (soda too) taste very odd.
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... Is there any good beer desert combo? I feel like sugar residue on the tastebuds makes beer (soda too) taste very odd.
Stout floats is a good one.
Any REALLY dark stout with a very chocolate dessert pairs well.
Some Belgian beers can pair well with dessert.
And sometimes beer with another beer is a great dessert.
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Stout floats is a good one.
Any REALLY dark stout with a very chocolate dessert pairs well.
Some Belgian beers can pair well with dessert.
And sometimes beer with another beer is a great dessert.
Bingo. This is the correct answer.
But yeah, a Belgian Kriek with chocolate cake is really tasty.
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New Glarus Wisconsin Belgian Red, their Raspberry Tart or Serendipity are some of the best fruit beers in the world, and are great w dessert. Of course you can only buy them in WI or through a friendly trade.
Even my non beer drinking friends love em.
I have six or so bottles at my home. Large format w a wax seal on the cap.
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Should you ever drink beer with pie? (Not pizza, regular pie, like apple). (Asking for an aunt.)
well, you should ALWAYS drink beer, so choose your pie wisely
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well, you should ALWAYS drink beer, so choose your pie wisely
My pie choices after drinking beer are questionable at best.
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There's a whole forum at the bottom of the list where people can discuss politics.
That's not a place to discuss anything. It's an echo chamber for the willfully ignorant and anyone to the left of Rush Limbaugh is outnumbered 10 to 1.
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And sometimes beer with another beer is a great dessert.
Oh my this should be on every menu in the Galaxy
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Should you ever drink beer with pie?
I have answer for that but 847 isn't going to like locking another thread
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That's not a place to discuss anything. It's an echo chamber for the willfully ignorant and anyone to the left of Rush Limbaugh is outnumbered 10 to 1.
True. So there are places to debate politics elsewhere than this site.
That's where I do it, because Area 51 is a cesspool.
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That's where I do it, because Area 51 is a cesspool.
I think once you "get used to it", well, no you're right.
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I resemble that remark!!!!
True. So there are places to debate politics elsewhere than this site.
That's where I do it, because Area 51 is a cesspool.
it didn't use to be that way...
i keep hoping it will turn around. folks didn't use to take things personal- they argued the topic and not each other... however, the 'trick' to that joint is extremism... absurdity...
I'm as conservative as they come i don't mind telling y'all- but i still speak in absurdities there- and those guys respond in like... i'd have a beer with any and all of them- we'd just laugh and laugh... seriously.. and i call them friends even though i've not met most of them, personally, myself... and i'll stand by them and let them become whatever they become as a collective or individual... and they'll always have a home so long as i can afford renting the server. i promised them that. i'll stand by that promise just like the one to y'all.
atop that- i'll continue to throw crap at the wall and see what sticks, which is the nature of that place- or at least the nature that it once was..... well, it's still that.. it just seems to have a sense of finality to it now... seriousness... as if people are trying to force their will instead of listening to other opinions... it has straight up lost that characteristic. People don't seem to want to hear others opinions- they want to hear their opinion come from your mouth... i heard that somewhere... that seems to be the case there, now... and i don't know what to do about it.
i think i'll try to force a reset... it is past time. the only reason i've not done it is because it would seem like moderation coming from me, and, i'm still not certain the appearance of what happens there is the actuality of it (as understood by the 'old' group there).
i don't expect that to make sense to anyone here... you'd had to have been 'there' almost 20 years ago when it was conceived and reset daily... until folks caught on.
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cesspool doesn't have to be a bad thing
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Good morning.
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a very good morning
batch of Bloody marys in the pitcher
headed to a golf tournament this morning - 9am shotgun scramble
cool, wet and windy
perfect for drinking on the course with your buddies
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https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/08/852222980/one-way-sidewalks-and-parking-lot-dining-rooms-is-this-the-future (https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/08/852222980/one-way-sidewalks-and-parking-lot-dining-rooms-is-this-the-future)
That photo is the GM of our favorite local restaurant. They are not open for dining yet, the table being set up is marketing for take out ....
He's a very sharp fellow. This is the same group that we helped package up meals to go for hospitality workers.
They plan to open May 14. They have a nice outside dining area which we enjoy. The wife loves their salmon eggs benedict. (I do as well).
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I don't like salmon, or eggs, or Benedict Arnold.
I probably wouldn't like a salmon egg benedict.
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Ha. The wife loves smoked salmon and it also comes with Bechemel sauce in addition to the poached egg.
I once asked the server lady where they stole their eggs and she didn't get it.
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I don't like salmon, or eggs, or Benedict Arnold.
I probably wouldn't like a salmon egg benedict.
I understand Salmon - but eggs?Man over easy 1 1/2 - 2 min simple good eats right there
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I resemble that remark!!!!
it didn't use to be that way...
i keep hoping it will turn around. folks didn't use to take things personal- they argued the topic and not each other... however, the 'trick' to that joint is extremism... absurdity...
I think he was in jest
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I just never got into the whole breakfast thing. I'd rather eat a burger than a sausage and egg dish.
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Just don't tell us you don't like grits ... that of course is the main reason to eat breakfast.
Manna from Heaven ... grits.
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Mmmmmm grits.
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In suburban Columbus "grit" was a slang term for a cigarette. Or perhaps an abbreviation of sorts.
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I just never got into the whole breakfast thing. I'd rather eat a burger than a sausage and egg dish.
Not a big breakfast guy either,but eggs at lunch or dinner whooza.Huevos Rancheros has all the food groups.Never been a big one for uppity dining or etiquuette either.Eat what you want when you want with your freakin' elbows on the table or simply sammiches over the sink - my favorite.With a side of Yuengling of course
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I just never got into the whole breakfast thing. I'd rather eat a burger than a sausage and egg dish.
It's the egg lobby.
There's no reason for "breakfast" food at all. Eat what you like at every meal. NOPE!
Let's set aside these foods to be eaten in the morning time, so that they may carve out a spot at the table (both figuratively and literally). Cereals (straight up sugar in sugary milk for kids), bacon (good anytime), and mostly, eggs.
Hooray lobbyists!
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People have been eating eggs for breakfast for centuries. It wasn't started by "lobbyists", whatever that means. It's a tradition, in part because people had chickens, and you can eat a chicken once or if it's a layer, eat eggs for 2-3 years. When I was a kid on my grandparents farm, if I wanted eggs I had to got talk the hens out of them.
About twice a week I serve the wife poached eggs over English muffins. She loves them.
It's tradition, as are many things we do today.
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You're describing a situation in which eggs would be eaten at any, and possibly, every meal. But once we got past that time and made all foods available (you know....a grocery store), eggs were getting lost in the shuffle.
Think about it - when do you use eggs outside of eggs at breakfast. Baking and....fried rice? As a coating for frying maybe? Vastly different volume.
The less influence you believe a lobby has had, the more effective that lobby is. They've used "tradition" as a way of remaining at high-volume.
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Have them dial back the voltage at the home.They're eggs,not an agenda
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Boy, the egg lobby should get a raise!
Here, what am I actually suggesting here? A giant conspiracy theory? No. I'm saying that 847 was right, there's no reason not to eat whatever food you want for breakfast. None. So while eggs were popular at breakfast as the English sort of re-invented breakfast a few hundred years back, the modern egg industry is wanting to remain relevant.
They spend lots of money to stay in business. That's all it is. Not crazy talk, not conspiracies....pretty much mundane, obvious thinking.
All I'm saying is have a burger at 8am. Make spaghetti at 6am. There's no reason not to! Have bacon and eggs for dinner. Many people do it, just for fun. I'm saying do it just because it's food - it's all just food.
The idea of "breakfast" foods is as stupid as "baby" names. They're just names - the baby is going to grow up! It's all just food, eat it whenever you want!
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I don't know what you mean by lobbyists. Marketing, yes, marketing obviously shapes our habits and lives. I'm rather familiar with it.
The term lobbyist comes from the Civil War and a certain hotel lobby in DC. The hotel is still there.
The wife doesn't like "Greek" yogurt and it is getting harder and harder to find anything else in the yogurt aisle. When I was a young man, yogurt was a very rare thing. I'd never had any until I dated a gal who made her own. This change was not because of some lobbyist but in part because of marketing and in part because people liked what they were selling. Marketing gets you started and can keep you extant and relevant.
My Mom used to deride people who would eat a Moon Pie and an RC Cola for breakfast. She was big on nutrition being a Home Ec major. Every day before school I had four fried eggs, a large plate of grits with butter, two pieces of toast, milk and OJ. On Saturday we had pancakes, with syrup, which is liquid sugar.
I was 16 when I had my first pizza. Seriously. I was 17 when I first ate Mexican food. Yes, I'm old as dirt. None of these trends were because of lobbyists.
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Hell, cincy, you might pre-date lobbyists. You might even pre-date breakfast for all I know!
I want you to look at the chicken/egg industry. Look at how it's set up. Look at how it's structured. Look at its size. And tell me it doesn't have lobbyists in DC.
And yes, greek yogurt is gross. It's probably "real" yogurt. But give me the Dannon or the other one, chock full of sugar and bits of fruit any day.
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She was big on nutrition being a Home Ec major.
Every day before school I had four fried eggs, a large plate of grits with butter, two pieces of toast, milk and OJ. On Saturday we had pancakes, with syrup, which is liquid sugar.
Ehh, these are in direct conflict.
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I was 6'4" and weighed about 175 pounds. I needed as much "fat" as I could get back then. My blood numbers today surprise the doctors.
I think you are confusing what lobbyists do with what marketers so.
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Fellas,
I admire how that thread was handled, but it got to a point where names were getting used and that can lead to a bad path as we are all clearly different in our preferences.
With the news that came out yesterday from the DOJ and the fallout that's going to come, I just felt like that thread would have gone worse than it already started to get.
I'm completely open for discussion on this. I'm not a dictator - this place is for ALL of us. Tell me what you think.
You don't need an explanation.
Rutgers may need an explanation. :)
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It's the egg lobby.
There's no reason for "breakfast" food at all. Eat what you like at every meal. NOPE!
Let's set aside these foods to be eaten in the morning time, so that they may carve out a spot at the table (both figuratively and literally). Cereals (straight up sugar in sugary milk for kids), bacon (good anytime), and mostly, eggs.
Hooray lobbyists!
Because nobody ate eggs for breakfast before there were lobbyists.
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I was at a breakfast diner once where the restrooms were labelled as "sausage" and "eggs"
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I have been amused by all the GMO free, lactose tolerant, gluten free, organic "marketing" I see. My step daughter pays a ton extra for "organic" food and then lets her kids eat just about any candy they want. (They are not obese fortunately.) I don't get that at all.
There is some fascinating work on fructose, half of the sucrose molecule (table sugar). It's metabolized in the liver and apparently not well, what it is changed into is not good. I have tried to limit my sucrose intake (it's not easy).
Decades ago I read a fascinating large scale study on heart disease that correlated dietary iron intake with heart disease of all types. Fascinating, and then it was all subsumed with the cholesterol story which to me chemically never made sense. The iron thing does, but that story vanished.
And do you get in red meat? What about other cultures who dine on very high cholesterol foods and have almost no heart disease? Huh.
I can't even find that iron study any more on line.
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Because nobody ate eggs for breakfast before there were lobbyists.
Rather comical give him enough rope and he's running to the end of the tether.LMAO
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Because nobody ate eggs for breakfast before there were lobbyists.
Yeah, it's as if you're not even reading my posts....
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Yeah, it's as if you're not even reading my posts....
OAM,put that thing out you'll burn your fingers,When you're in a hole stop digging.We'd rather you read your comments again.Apparently you wrote themThey're in English,
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I'm waiting for a lobbyist to tell me what to fix for breakfast tomorrow. Maybe one of them posts here.
The wife probably wants eggs.
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I'd eat bacon (or sausage), eggs, and toast every morning if I didn't know (or think I know) any better.
As it is, I eat oatmeal 6 days a week, and Sunday morning my wife fixes me a special breakfast that usually has either fried eggs or eggs in some kind of batter.
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Yeah, it's as if you're not even reading my posts....
I do read your posts. I don't read ahead to see if you've said something to back away from assertion to which I am responding.
Have you ever heard of a motte-and-bailey argument?
Per the Font of All Wisdom and Knowledge (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_castle):
Motte-and-bailey fallacy
The motte-and-bailey fallacy (named after the motte-and-bailey castle) is an informal fallacy where an arguer conflates two positions with similar properties, one modest and easy to defend (the "motte") and one much more controversial (the "bailey").[1] The arguer advances the controversial position, but when challenged, they insist that they are only advancing the more modest position.[2][3] The fallacy has been described as the inverse of the straw man, in "replacing a weak position with a strong position to better defend it" rather than "replacing a strong position with a weak position to better attack it".[4]
Nicholas Shackel, who coined the term,[1] prefers to speak of a motte-and-bailey doctrine instead of a fallacy.[3]
Example usage
An example of a motte-and-bailey argument is starting with the claim that a war is justified and worth fighting, or that the nation needs to devote a lot of resources to the military, but when challenged on the details, retreating to the less controversial, "but don't you support our troops?"[1]
A lot of people who like to argue do this. It gets the argument going, and then, after the retreat to the motte, lets the argument end on acceptable terms.
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The first time that I ever tried an egg (other than a hard boiled Easter egg) was in college.
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As it is, I eat oatmeal 6 days a week,
I really believe in this,and have to get back in the practice.For years everyday oatmeal,raisins or bluebaerries,with faxseed.2 years ago had some heart and carotid Artery scans and and both were great.Time to get serious again
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I'm not backing away or digging a hole.
Yes, people ate eggs for breakfast for hundreds of years because they had chickens outside.
99%+ of Americans no longer have chickens outside their home. They go grocery shopping and out of habit and/or tradition, buy "breakfast foods", including eggs.
The poultry/egg industry has many corporations employing many lobbyists.
They employ lobbyists for many reasons - to suppress egg substitutes, to avoid government regulation of chicken care, and yes, to continue the tradition/myth that some foods are for breakfast.
I don't see how any of this is wrong or silly or controversial. To be honest, I'm amazed at the brushback I'm getting.
My larger point is that in 2020, the term "breakfast food" should be nonsensical. Egg producers know this and work to continue the traditon/myth. Now, Cincy brought up advertisers - they're the ones who came up with the "Nature's Miracle Food" ads, among others. They act on what the corporations/lobbyists tell them to say.
And to be plain, I'm not jumping up and down here, screaming about how the egg lobby is evil or overpowered, I'm simply saying it exists. And that food is just food - there's no such thing as "breakfast food."
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The first time that I ever tried an egg (other than a hard boiled Easter egg) was in college.
Man, I'm glad I'm not old as dirt. Not having an egg or pizza until 15-20 years in? Must have been awful.
All this talk about food makes me miss getting seafood right off the boat in Jacksonville as a kid.
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Hmm.
I've missed some juicy discussion HERE?!
Good thing.
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I'm not backing away or digging a hole.
Smashing riposte.Whether you admit it or not your logic was as twisted as chicken wire after an F-5.Forgive me if I recoil from attempting to wade thru that swampy morass of rebuttals to point out the brilliance of it
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You seem to post things that make you smile, but aren't really contributing to the discussion.
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Actually, marketing firms come up with their own campaigns, without any help from "lobbyists", and usually without any help from the corporations. That is what they do, they often are good at it, and they get paid for marketing campaigns, by companies. The marketing folks that work for marketing companies are MBAs, the run the business, they are not marketing experts, which is why they pay marketing companies to contrive the next campaign to push sales.
And yes, these MBAs approve the marketing campaigns, they usually are presented with 3 or 4 ideas on "story boards" and they go, usually, with one. The idea is created by the "creators" (literally) at the marketing companies. I've never ever seen a lobbyist at one of these meetings.
I did work on the fringe of a lobbying effort, we were trying to explain a patent issue to our Congressman in DC. It was entertaining. I was involved in a few meetings with our lobbyist and had lunch with them where everyone was interested in what kinds of things he did for the company. He never said anything about eating this or that for breakfast of course, and we actually had a foods business at the time.
I thought most of our ads were incredibly stupid until I had the concept behind them explained to me. I still thought they were sort of stupid but I realized they were not intended for folks like me. I'm old as dirt and a bit odd.
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Lobbyists are just marketers who market to elected officials.
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Often, lobbyists are simply trying to explain technical details to congressional staff. They aren't always some nefarious group trying to get some edge (at times they are).
A lot of legislation is pretty technical and the folks who write it won't be "experts" in the area, which is one reason lobbyists have influence. If they disappeared magically, I suspect a lot of legislation would come out that made no sense at all, stuff like patent legislation, which gets technical in a hurry.
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You seem to post things that make you smile, but aren't really contributing to the discussion.
To add to your discussion i'd have to get my mitts on the Peyote you've procured on the reservation.You obviously didn't grasp the theme of the dicussion.Then procede to add your definition in an attempt to correct something that didn't need correcting and totally missed the mark anyway.You couldn't get out of your own way thanx for the smile
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Man, I'm glad I'm not old as dirt. Not having an egg or pizza until 15-20 years in? Must have been awful.
All this talk about food makes me miss getting seafood right off the boat in Jacksonville as a kid.
You and I are the same age. If I am as old as dirt, then so are you.
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Eggs are a great ingredient for many dishes.
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Often, lobbyists are simply trying to explain technical details to congressional staff. They aren't always some nefarious group trying to get some edge (at times they are).
A lot of legislation is pretty technical and the folks who write it won't be "experts" in the area, which is one reason lobbyists have influence. If they disappeared magically, I suspect a lot of legislation would come out that made no sense at all, stuff like patent legislation, which gets technical in a hurry.
Often they are. Ofen they make pitches to legislators. Sometimes there is no real difference. The American Egg Boards is technically a marketing board but has waged war on things like vegan mayonnaise through efforts that look a lot like lobbying. In any event, lobbying can look a lot like marketing and marketing can look a lot like lobbying. The goal is the same - sell more eggs.
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You seem to post things that make you smile, but aren't really contributing to the discussion.
and what's wrong with this???
so, I'm easily amused
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Just don't tell us you don't like grits ... that of course is the main reason to eat breakfast.
Manna from Heaven ... grits.
I come with bad news ...
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Marketing and lobbying are different things, using different tactics and techniques, and the various individuals have different sets of skills.
This is the primary definition of lobbying and marketing. The focus of a lobbyist is a public official. The focus of the latter is a consumer or customer.
seek to influence (a politician or public official) on an issue.
Marketing refers to activities a company undertakes to promote the buying or selling of a product or service. Marketing includes advertising, selling, and delivering products to consumers or other businesses. Some marketing is done by affiliates on behalf of a company.F
Of course, we can all be our own lexicographers. The aforementioned "American Egg Board" like employees both marketers and lobbyists.
There is a clear distinction as to their focus, function, and training.
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eating oatmeal while typing this - with blackberries
when I was younger I didn't worry much about eating anything healthy
I take 20 mg of simvastatin every day, I'm not sure it really makes me less susceptible to heart issues, but I'm not going to argue with my doc. He seems to be a reasonable sort and obviously knows more about this than I.
and the heath insurance pays for the pills
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And, I don't think we eat eggs for breakfast because of lobbyists.
If someone else does, fine with me.
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I found a more recent study about iron and heart disease:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/04/140423170903.htm (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/04/140423170903.htm)
It made more sense to me than the anti-cholesterol/fat claims.
The diet recommended for diabetics remains a very good model in my view even if you aren't one. And it's not some fad either. It's been around for decades mostly unchanged.
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as for the "tradition" of eating eggs early in the day............
some food just seem to taste better to some folks at different times of the day
apparently the masses prefer eggs in the morning more than eggs in the evening
some folks prefer tomato juice in their beer in the morning, some don't. Some like tomato juice in their beer all day. Bloody Mary's in the evening? That's fine for some, most prefer them in the morning.
it's obviously personal preference.
some folks like something sweet after a meal, others would rather have a cigarette.
It's just that larger groups weigh in with McDonalds and others. Does the egg lobby own or buy McDonalds to promote egg mcMuffins in the morning? Why not serve eggs at McDonalds all day? Becase it's not popular with the masses.
Perkins will server eggs all day and night. Good for them. They are filling a need for the smaller group. Perhaps the egg lobby pays Perkins abd Denny's more than McDonalds?
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The McDonalds in Hawaii have SPAM on the menu, seriously. This is because Hawaiians ate a lot of SPAM during WW Two and it became a local favorite/tradition.
One of the largest cattle ranches in the US was on the Big Island, the area was adapted for training during the war instead of cattle raising. Their premise was to get calves and ship them to mainland US or Canada because the cows would become fertile again quickly without seasons as a factor. They equipped some 747s to ship the calves back in the day. Interesting place to visit. Looks kinda like Texas, except for the huge volcanoes and the ocean if the weather is clear.
I used to eat SPAM on occasion, my mom would fry it in a skillet. I'm not sure I want to know what's in it any more than a hotdog.
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I've had spam with rice and an egg for breakfast in Hawaii
it didn't suck
Spam isn't any worse that a hot dog
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I found a more recent study about iron and heart disease:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/04/140423170903.htm (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/04/140423170903.htm)
Article said giving blood and drinking coffee deplete iron. I just gave blood friday and drink coffee everyday,so I just had a pork chop even though they strongly suggest using a plant based diet to retrieve those nutrients.I'll have to check a can of Gennesee Bock
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I can remember fried-Spam sandwiches as a kid.
In some book about WWII I read long ago, I saw a cartoon of battered Japanese soldiers--having been blasted out of their cave, tunnel, or foxhole, surrendering "on condition we not be served honorable delicacy Spam."
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The McDonalds in Hawaii have SPAM on the menu, seriously. This is because Hawaiians ate a lot of SPAM during WW Two and it became a local favorite/tradition.
A buddy use to grill spamburgers,not to bad all the fat rendered out of them.Had Fresh tomato and Cukes to balance the salt.I'd have it again
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some folks prefer tomato juice in their beer in the morning, some don't. Some like tomato juice in their beer all day. Bloody Mary's in the evening? That's fine for some, most prefer them in the morning.
So you're saying beer is not just for breafast anymore?I've always suspected such
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Afro is correct. Folks should eat whatever they prefer whatever time of the day
it's just that most folks, seemingly the vast majority, perfer eggs in the early part of the day. Perhaps they've been brainwashed, but probably not by marketing and lobbying efforts.
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Europe is very different on breakfast then we are here. Everywhere you go, you can see signs outside for "American Breakfast". They don't eat like that over there.
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no eggs?
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A "typical" French breakfast is a croissant and espresso, perhaps with cheese (or not). They also do a "tartine" I think it's called which is a sliced bagget with butter and jelly.
If you stay at a hotel and have breakfast there, it's usually buffet style and they will have eggs, usually, hard boiled, maybe poached. If you stay at a Hilton it will of course cater to American tastes.
They don't have an egg lobby there, so the folks don't know any better.
The notion we eat eggs because of lobbyists gives me a chuckle. In Vietnam, they even eat thousand year old eggs.
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I just made my wife a Frittata for a late lunch today. I thought about it early in the morning.
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they don't subscribe to the notion that breakfast is the most important meal of the day?
and they prefer cheese as the protein as opposed to bacon, sausage, or eggs?
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They have a bread and cheese lobby, instead of an egg lobby.
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The notion we eat eggs because of lobbyists gives me a chuckle. In Vietnam, they even eat thousand year old eggs.
Must be dinosaur eggs, amIright?!?
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The notion we eat eggs because of lobbyists gives me a chuckle.
You must never wonder why eggs are so cheap, just enjoy the fact that they are, right?
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They have a bread and cheese lobby, instead of an egg lobby.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2013/09/23/224059675/got-baguettes-bakers-lobby-tells-france-to-eat-more-bread
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It's just that larger groups weigh in with McDonalds and others. Does the egg lobby own or buy McDonalds to promote egg mcMuffins in the morning? Why not serve eggs at McDonalds all day? Becase it's not popular with the masses.
Perkins will server eggs all day and night. Good for them. They are filling a need for the smaller group. Perhaps the egg lobby pays Perkins abd Denny's more than McDonalds?
Actually, McDonalds started serving breakfast all day a couple of years ago. Because only having "breakfast items" available until 10:30am is stupid.
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You must never wonder why eggs are so cheap, just enjoy the fact that they are, right?
I'm sure the egg lobby would appreciate doubling of egg prices
must be a weak lobby
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Actually, McDonalds started serving breakfast all day a couple of years ago. Because only having "breakfast items" available until 10:30am is stupid.
good to know
I quit eating at McDonalds many years ago, because it's stupid
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Eggs are a great ingredient for many dishes.
They are, but you don't sell as many eggs being merely an ingredient as you do as a main dish (a la the 'tradition' of breakfast food).
I'm still amazed by the pushback I'm getting on this (not by you). We all know what lobbyists are and what marketers do. The egg industry has a massive (billions) motivation to maintain its status as a benchmark foodstuff. If it "lost" breakfast food altogether, the egg market would plummet. Right now, it just competes with cereals (who have their own lobbists, I assure you), breads, oatmeal/grits, etc. But if the idea of 'breakfast foods' went away, eggs would be competing against all foods, and would get lost in the shuffle.
How is this not plainly obvious?!?
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I'm sure the egg lobby would appreciate doubling of egg prices
must be a weak lobby
You need low prices in a volume business. Are you just bored right now?
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they don't subscribe to the notion that breakfast is the most important meal of the day?
and they prefer cheese as the protein as opposed to bacon, sausage, or eggs?
No, because.. it isn't.
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No, because.. it isn't.
That message had to come from somewhere, though. Hmm, maybe it's just a tradition.
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That message had to come from somewhere, though. Hmm, maybe it's just a tradition.
I think it may have started with the farmers, having that big breakfast before working all day in the fields?? Then spilled into the factories, etc.
We don't need to eat like that anymore, and shouldn't. Best to be up for about 4 hours, and then eat. Drink lots of water to hydrate for the day too, upon waking.
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We don't need to eat like that anymore, and shouldn't. Best to be up for about 4 hours, and then eat. Drink lots of water to hydrate for the day too, upon waking.
Shhhhh, that doesn't help sell eggs.
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You need low prices in a volume business. Are you just bored right now?
wouldn't it be better and MUCH more profitable to see one egg for a dollar than a dozen eggs for a dollar???
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wouldn't it be better and MUCH more profitable to see one egg for a dollar than a dozen eggs for a dollar???
Yeah, you're just bored.
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Lobbyists and marketers cater to a different set of people, as I explained, clearly, with definitions.
We don't eat eggs of lobbyists. The notion is absurd. We eat eggs because of tradition, and some because of marketing.
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Lobbyists lay eggs?
Now you've lost it.
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Oam, your position comes down to: a product exists, people involved with its production, and distribution are responsible for its success .
This is unique to eggs?
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Of course not.
But isn't having our AM food choices being limited sort of stupid? If I want a burger, shouldn't I be able to get a burger before 9am? And no, it's not truly a big deal, but it probably irks me because the fact that I can't get a burger before 9am is based on nothing. There's no actual reason behind it.
I predict in 50 years, breakfast food won't be a thing. It's already slowly giving way. McDonalds offers all-day breakfast items. You can get tacos at Taco Bell as soon as they open. Burger King has a full breakfast menu, but also offers the Whopper as soon as it opens. All of these began a couple of years ago.
We have people bitching about having to wear a mask for 13 minutes as they go into a store. Meanwhile, a vast majority of food types are restricted in the AM because of......what? Nothing.
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They aren't restricted. Restaurants provide what customers want.
Not what lobbyists tell them to provide.
A lobbyist by definition tries to influence a PUBLIC OFFICIAL.
A marketer tries to influence the PUBLIC.
The two terms are not the same, at all, and you have conflated them, hilariously.
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I think it may have started with the farmers, having that big breakfast before working all day in the fields?? Then spilled into the factories, etc.
We don't need to eat like that anymore, and shouldn't. Best to be up for about 4 hours, and then eat. Drink lots of water to hydrate for the day too, upon waking.
I'm curious why is it best?
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Because it is what he does, probably. I imagine many of us think what we do is "best", and maybe it is for US personally. My breakfast usually is some veggie fruit milkshake thing the wife makes. I used to go to the office and make coffee and eat a breakfast bar. When I was a kid I had 4 eggs and grits.
Our bodies are remarkably resilient to what we throw at it, our stomachs are amazing chemical processing units. But, we're really configured to eat less meat and walk a LOT during the day.
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McDs. Historical resistance to all day breakfast and restrictions on burgers and fries had more to do with kitchen workflow management than it did when people want Egg McMuffins and Big Macs, though personal traditional habits are a damn good reason to.
They also shut down their McFlurry/ice cream machine for an extended period each week due to maintenance reasons.
Reminds me,
DQ pulled Snickers blizzards because they kept fkjng up the Blizzard machines.
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They aren't restricted. Restaurants provide what customers want.
Not what lobbyists tell them to provide.
A lobbyist by definition tries to influence a PUBLIC OFFICIAL.
A marketer tries to influence the PUBLIC.
The two terms are not the same, at all, and you have conflated them, hilariously.
Yeah, I haven't, so you can stop suggesting that.
Thanks for making me now spell it out to prove conflation hasn't occurred. Fun waste of time.
The egg/chicken producers spend lots of monies on lobbyists and marketing. They spend money on lobbyists to block legislation that harms their incomes and to promote legislation that aids their incomes. They spend money on advertisers to keep the masses duped into thinking breakfast foods are a thing. The marketers come up with cute slogans and wholesome imagery to appeal to the masses' hearts and wallets.
Thanks for wasting my time.
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Well, you have provided considerable entertainment for us all, so thanks.
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They aren't restricted. Restaurants provide what customers want.
No! Restaurants provide what the customers want within arbitrary confines. If the whole menu was available all day, breakfast food sales would decrease in the AM because people would begin ordering what they actually want.
You would have a point if restaurants once offered their entire menu from 6am-on, but I'm not aware of any that ever did that. They either served breakfast-only, then lunch/dinner or didn't open until lunchtime with no 'breakfast' offerings.
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Well, you have provided considerable entertainment for us all, so thanks.
That, I'm fine with. We're in the offseason and quarantined. This is a pet peeve of mine. Obscure and silly, to be sure.
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It's the egg lobby.
There's no reason for "breakfast" food at all. Eat what you like at every meal. NOPE!
Let's set aside these foods to be eaten in the morning time, so that they may carve out a spot at the table (both figuratively and literally). Cereals (straight up sugar in sugary milk for kids), bacon (good anytime), and mostly, eggs.
Hooray lobbyists!
No mention of marketing, just the egg lobby.
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No mention of marketing, just the egg lobby.
Jeezis Kryst.
Without the lobbyists, unfavorable legislation would render the marketers useless (or at least hamstrung). The song and dance don't work unless there's someone behind the screen moving the levers up and down.
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You're describing a situation in which eggs would be eaten at any, and possibly, every meal. But once we got past that time and made all foods available (you know....a grocery store), eggs were getting lost in the shuffle.
Think about it - when do you use eggs outside of eggs at breakfast. Baking and....fried rice? As a coating for frying maybe? Vastly different volume.
The less influence you believe a lobby has had, the more effective that lobby is. They've used "tradition" as a way of remaining at high-volume.
Again, blaming the egg lobby, which is patently absurd.
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OK, I suspect nearly everyone here thinks we tend to eat eggs for breakfast because of tradition, and somewhat because of marketing.
If you want to think it's the egg lobby, fine with me. I find the notion to be quite hilarious and ignorant myself.
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I'm guessing the egg lobby would try to promote eggs as the most popular breakfast food.
the egg lobby would also try to promote the eating of eggs at noon, 6pm, or 9pm
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They also try and influence regulations and labeling requirements to their benefit. Ever wonder what "cage free" means? Not much. One can smell lobbyists all over this one. Not the egg industry can sell cage free eggs at 2-3x markup over regular eggs, without doing anything.
Cage-Free Eggs: • The term is not codified by either FDA or USDA/AMS. The term is misleading because the statement of identity is “EGGS” not Cage Free Eggs. • Suggested Verbiage – Eggs that originated from a cage-free environment. • Once the Statement of Identity (EGGS) has been met, you can combine “Cage-Free” with “Eggs”. • Cage Free definition: Eggs packed in USDA grademarked consumer packages labeled as cage free must be produced by hens housed in a building, room, or enclosed area that allows for unlimited access to food, water, and provides the freedom to roam within the area during the laying cycle.
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Food Labels That Give Limited Information
Cage-Free Eggs
Cage free eggs“Cage free” means that birds are raised without cages, but it tells you nothing about any other living conditions. For instance, cage-free eggs could come from birds raised indoors in overcrowded spaces at large factory farms.
Pasture Raised
“Pasture-raised” or “pastured” means that animals spent at least some time outdoors on pasture, feeding on grass or forage. This traditional farming method is typically done on a smaller scale than conventional factory-farmed animals. However, there are no government standards for this label, including how much of its life the animal spent on pasture.
Grass-Fed
“Grass-fed” means that, after weaning, an animal’s primary source of food comes from grass or forage, not from grains such as corn. There are no uniform government standards for this label, although some companies submit their own standards to the USDA so they can put a grassfed claim on their products. Some third party certifications also use a grass-fed claim. This does not tell you if antibiotics or hormones were used on the animal or what conditions it lived in.
No Antibiotics
“Raised without antibiotics” or “no antibiotics administered” means that the animal received no antibiotics over its lifetime. Some large-scale producers feed animals antibiotics at low doses to promote growth and prevent disease, which is linked to the spread of antibiotic-resistant bacteria that may make people sick and are difficult to treat – a serious threat to public health. Other producers use antibiotics only to treat sick animals. This label does not tell you about other conditions where the animal was raised.
If an animal receives antibiotics for any reason, its meat, milk or eggs cannot be labeled “certified organic.”
No Hormones
No added hormonesThe labels “raised without added hormones,” “no hormones administered” or “no synthetic hormones” all mean that the animal received no synthetic hormones. Hormone-free labels do not disclose what the animals were fed or if they had access to pasture.
Federal law prohibits the use of hormones on hogs and poultry. Any hormone-free label on pork and poultry products is intended to mislead shoppers into thinking that the product is worthy of a higher price. The USDA requires that these labels on pork or poultry include a disclaimer: “Federal regulations prohibit the use of hormones in poultry/pork.”
However, federal regulations do permit the use of hormones in beef and dairy cattle. Recombinant bovine growth hormone (also known as rBGH or rBST) is a synthetic growth hormone commonly injected into dairy cattle to increase milk production. Several hormones are used in beef cattle to speed up growth.
Thanks to years of activism, “RBGH-free” or “rBST-free” labels can now be used on milk products to indicate that the cows did not receive synthetic hormones. However, due to pressure from Monsanto and the dairy industry, such labels on dairy products usually come with a disclaimer that the FDA acknowledges no difference between milk produced with or without the hormone.
Misleading Food Labels
Seafood Labels
Labels on seafood are frequently misleading – for example, you may see organic labels on fish, but there is no U.S. government standard for “organic” seafood certification. Learn more about what to look for in our Seafood Buying Guide.
Free Range
“Free range” labels are regulated by the USDA only for poultry produced for meat – it’s not regulated for pigs, cattle or egg-producing chickens. Nor are the requirements very high: poultry can use the label if the chicken had any access to the outdoors each day for some unspecified period of time; it could be just a few minutes, and does not assure that the animal ever actually went outdoors to roam freely.
Natural and Naturally Raised
All naturalAccording to USDA, “natural” meat and poultry products cannot contain artificial colors, artificial flavors, preservatives or other artificial ingredients, and they should be “minimally processed.” However, this label does not tell us how the animals were raised, what they were fed, if antibiotics or hormones were used, or other aspects of production that consumers might logically expect from something labeled “natural.”
Fresh
Contrary to what you might expect, the label “fresh” is used only on poultry to indicate that the meat was not cooled below 26 degrees F. Poultry does not have to be labeled as “frozen” until it reaches zero degrees F. This can be misleading to customers who assume that label means meat has not been frozen, processed or preserved in any way. The USDA does not define or regulate the use of the “fresh” label on any other type of products.
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I figure food labeling is largely deceptive, and pay little attention to it. I see the folks at Kroger taking frozen seafood out that is labeled "fresh" somehow.
Nearly all our seafood is frozen of course this far away from the ocean.
Cage free is a racket, as I suspected, along with gluten free and organic and whatever else. Oh, sulfites in wine, don't get me started.
Remember the "Beef, it's what's for dinner."? Marketing, probably somewhat effective. It got folks thinking they really would like a steak. Then there was "Pork, the other white meat", meaning, eat pork AND chicken, it's good for you, not beef.
Now we have farm raised fish of all types. Is it "OK" versus wild caught? Probably, maybe, except perhaps tilapia. Not sure about that one.
Soylent Green is people.
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Reminds me, why do some States restrict alcohol sales until Noon or some other arbitrary time? Is the MADD lobby that powerful? Compromise with the teetotaler crowd? Blue laws are funny like that. You may want cold beer at 9am, but the State knows best if you want to buy it before noon.
Interestingly if you read McDonald's latest ER the lack of AM breakfast traffic has been a much more significant drag on sales during CV than the 'burger' hours.
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again, people market shit they produce and sell, film at 11. Selling egg nog on the 4th of July ain't gonna work, no matter how hard the 'lobby' tries.
Sparkling juice/fake champagne is another great category. It is for sale year round. Yet 80%+ of sales occur during two weeks.
Ever try to find fresh turkey cuts in summer time?
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I've got french fries and chicken wings in the oven at 450 degrees. Both were frozen, both have been in my freezer far too long.
my meal won't be healthy or high quality, but it will work with a couple beers
I'm watching "the game" on BTN
it's not fresh either, but it's ok
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Did anyone else happen to notice how threads around here at times ... um .... deviate from the original topic?
Maybe it's just me.
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No mention of marketing, just the egg lobby.
Toby the Astronaut has spoken.The sooner you recognize the pointless bitchery.....err, I mean inherent brilliance of it all the better off we'll be.
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Of course not.
But isn't having our AM food choices being limited sort of stupid? If I want a burger, shouldn't I be able to get a burger before 9am? And no, it's not truly a big deal, but it probably irks me because the fact that I can't get a burger before 9am is based on nothing. There's no actual reason behind it.
I predict in 50 years, breakfast food won't be a thing. It's already slowly giving way. McDonalds offers all-day breakfast items. You can get tacos at Taco Bell as soon as they open. Burger King has a full breakfast menu, but also offers the Whopper as soon as it opens. All of these began a couple of years ago.
We have people bitching about having to wear a mask for 13 minutes as they go into a store. Meanwhile, a vast majority of food types are restricted in the AM because of......what? Nothing.
It's not based on nothing. It's based on consumer demand. If it were worthwhile for hamburger stands to open up at 9:00 am and start selling burgers, they would open up at 9:00 am and start selling burgers.
If somehow everybody in the restaurant business (except for Burger King, apparently, which seems to contradict your assertion in paragraph 1) has been overlooking a vast, untapped market for burgers at 9:00 am, you should take action to meet that demand, perhaps by opening up a 9:00 am hamburger restaurant, or by financing an entrepreneur who is willing to do so. Or by voting for a political candidate who runs on a platform of forcing hamburger stands to open at 9:00 and start selling hamburgers to the multitudes who are demanding them.
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again, people market shit they produce and sell, film at 11. Selling egg nog on the 4th of July ain't gonna work, no matter how hard the 'lobby' tries.
Sparkling juice/fake champagne is another great category. It is for sale year round. Yet 80%+ of sales occur during two weeks.
Ever try to find fresh turkey cuts in summer time?
The champagne lobby is pretty strong in France
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Did anyone else happen to notice how threads around here at times ... um .... deviate from the original topic?
Maybe it's just me.
happens most often when the Big 12ers show up
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The champagne lobby is pretty strong in France
Maybe, I'm not sure why exactly. What are they worried about?
The wine rules in France are already pretty well laid out. I don't know of any efforts to change the ones relating to Champagne. I could well have missed them though.
Perhaps someone wants to enlarge the AVA.
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Jeezis Kryst.
Without the lobbyists, unfavorable legislation would render the marketers useless (or at least hamstrung). The song and dance don't work unless there's someone behind the screen moving the levers up and down.
Now you are retreating to the motte.
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happens most often when the Big 12ers show up
that's because of high jacking this is because of haywire - just one
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There are three California producers, I think it's three, who can label their wines "California Champagne". Korbel is the main one. This is part of our agreement with the French. Of course, the term "California Champagne" is a bit of an oxymoron.
We also agreed not to call our stuff "Chablis". That was prevalent in the '70s, Gallo Chablis, etc.
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I think it may have started with the farmers, having that big breakfast before working all day in the fields?? Then spilled into the factories, etc.
We don't need to eat like that anymore, and shouldn't. Best to be up for about 4 hours, and then eat. Drink lots of water to hydrate for the day too, upon waking.
Where does that come from, Badge?
I eat my bowl of oatmeal at 6:15, and by 10:15 I am feeling hungry again.
Depending on my schedule, I can eat lunch at 11:15 or 11:45. I can't imagine getting up at 6:00, not eating breakfast, and then having to work until at least 11:15 before eating anything. If I ate dinner at 5:30 the evening before, I would be going on 18 hours since my last meal.
There's something about eating at some point not too long after rising to let your body know you are not going into starvation mode and therefore it doesn't need to slow down and conserve energy.
I agree with the early hydration, FWIW.
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In the US the egg lobby is funded and indirectly controlled by the government, so I guess all their conversations are lobbying.
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so, the government is funding and controlling the attempt of influencing themselves???
nice work
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Reminds me, why do some States restrict alcohol sales until Noon or some other arbitrary time? Is the MADD lobby that powerful? Compromise with the teetotaler crowd? Blue laws are funny like that. You may want cold beer at 9am, but the State knows best if you want to buy it before noon.
Another "tradition," I'm sure.
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Toby the Astronaut has spoken.The sooner you recognize the pointless bitchery.
Ehh, that's about 99% of the content here. And yes, that's okay and why most of us come here. It's just a noticeable lack of college football behind the bitchery....
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Now you are retreating to the motte.
No. I was exasperated by Cincy (AGAIN).
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It's not based on nothing. It's based on consumer demand. If it were worthwhile for hamburger stands to open up at 9:00 am and start selling burgers, they would open up at 9:00 am and start selling burgers.
If somehow everybody in the restaurant business (except for Burger King, apparently, which seems to contradict your assertion in paragraph 1) has been overlooking a vast, untapped market for burgers at 9:00 am, you should take action to meet that demand, perhaps by opening up a 9:00 am hamburger restaurant, or by financing an entrepreneur who is willing to do so. Or by voting for a political candidate who runs on a platform of forcing hamburger stands to open at 9:00 and start selling hamburgers to the multitudes who are demanding them.
Thank you for showing my point.
People don't demand what they don't realize they can have. "Breakfast food" is such an institution, people don't question in en mass.
I don't believe I said their net sales would increase, just that their traditional breakfast fare would decrease as people ordered non-breakfast food more and more.
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You must be a hyperbolic blast at party's - provided you've been invited to one
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we don't need no stinking invitations !
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oh wedding crasher huh?Or did you learn that at the course
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No. I was exasperated eviscerated by Cincy (AGAIN).
fify
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You must be a hyperbolic blast at party's - provided you've been invited to one
Because this is related to how I behave at parties. Stay classy.
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Where does that come from, Badge?
Of course there is a lot of research out there on eating times and what not. I don't do this every day, but I try to go as long as I can. Sometimes I make it 4 hours. Sometimes I make it 4 minutes. Mostly hit about 2.5-3 hours.
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Of course there is a lot of research out there on eating times and what not. I don't do this every day, but I try to go as long as I can. Sometimes I make it 4 hours. Sometimes I make it 4 minutes. Mostly hit about 2.5-3 hours.
Is this for optimum health? Weight loss?
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I usually get up 2-3 hours before the wife. I make coffee and drink a glass or two of water. When she gets up we see about breakfast, usually this juice thing.
I expect some of what works for you is what your body is adjusted to.
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Different people have different needs.
For me, I can go from waking up to dinner without eating. Just coffee and water. When I'm busy at work, the feeling of hunger doesn't even enter my mind until ~4 PM, if ever. And it's not like I have a slow metabolism--I think I'm regularly burning close to 3K calories a day. Working from home, if I have a convenient food item I might try to eat something mid-morning. Lately it's been two hard-boiled eggs with a little salt and pepper, as the lobbyists got to me. But unless my wife has packed me a lunch or we have leftovers, that's probably all I'm eating until dinner unless a handful of trail mix sounds good. But if nothing sounds good, I don't eat.
Several people have told me they get hunger headaches if they try to do that, and my wife is the type that if she goes much past lunchtime without food feels weak and ill.
So what works for me isn't necessarily something I'd advise for others.
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Because this is related to how I behave at parties. Stay classy.
Tell it to CD
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I have not been to what might be considered a party in a long time, since we moved anyway ... We used to have a "party" of sorts at the wine bar in Cincy every Friday night, I do miss those. There is a kind of annual get together in the building here but I find those dull in the extreme, maybe when we get to know folks.
I can be very spontaneous at times if I plan ahead for it.
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Is this for optimum health? Weight loss?
Both, actually. The goal is to eat when you are truly hungry, and then stop eating when you are full. Also take time to chew and enjoy. It takes time for your brain to know you are full, so taking more time helps.
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Different people have different needs.
For me, I can go from waking up to dinner without eating. Just coffee and water. When I'm busy at work, the feeling of hunger doesn't even enter my mind until ~4 PM, if ever.
I'm this way.
I'm trying to change as not eating all day and then enjoying a large meal at 7pm isn't good for old folks
my brother has to eat after waking and then every 6 hours or so - weird
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ans who attend the Memorial Tournament later this summer won’t just be asked to social distance, technology will make sure they are following directions.
According to Golf Digest, tournament officials for the July 16-19 event at Muirfield Village in Dublin, Ohio, will rely on radio frequency identification chips placed in tournament badges to monitor fans’ movements while on the grounds.
The use of RFID technology was among the list of protocols Memorial executive director Dan Sullivan touched on Thursday during a 30-minute virtual call put on by the Greater Columbus Sports Commission.
“At any time, we can know around the golf course how many people are collecting in a certain area,” said Sullivan, who noted that the tournament has used this technology for the past four years. “We’re going to use that technology to make sure that we’re protecting everyone around us, protecting the folks that are inside those various venues and make sure that we’re monitoring effectively and producing a tournament that everyone can be comfortable with.”
The RFID chips only identify the location of the badge, not the identity of the person wearing it. In previous years, the technology has helped tournament officials monitor entrances and exits and potential problem areas for crowding throughout the course.
Sullivan said that this year’s marshals will have access to RFID tracking.
“Well, we won’t know if those are all family members, what have you, but our plan is to ask them to separate,” he told Golf Digest in a follow-up call. “The safety of everyone on the grounds is our primary concern.”
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The RFID chips only identify the location of the badge, not the identity of the person wearing it.
Sure,of course it does that's how it always starts.Next thing they can tell you I was sneaking behind the garage for a small cuban rolled.Or when I'm searching shelves for the elusive bottle of Weller
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Bills Gates fingerprints ALL over this.........
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We'll get Dutch/Bruno/Vinnie to break his fingers - what are you new to this?
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and Moose and Rocko!
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Allegedly, Herschel Walker only ate some soup in the early afternoon for years.
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head case
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The story on Herschel was that he ate fast food and drank Gatorade, not "real food".
He also was chubby when he was 11 or so and not athletic.
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The story on Herschel was that he ate fast food and drank Gatorade, not "real food".
He also was chubby when he was 11 or so and not athletic.
UF creating a drink to ade the Gators, that was instead used to fuel their destruction is actually irony.
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On review, I think the reason that thread was closed was because of lobbyists.
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friggin egg lobby is POWERFUL!!!
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Maybe the all powerful bread or potato or asparagus lobby could convince us to eat those food for breakfast instead.
These breakfast bars are fairly popular it seems. Is there a breakfast bar lobby?
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well, of course, don't be silly!