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Title: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: longhorn320 on November 13, 2017, 11:57:53 AM
WV only favored by 3

See this is where I always get into trouble betting on football

I would take WV and give the 3 points

It really seems like a sure thing bet

I predict WV beats UT by at least 3 TDs

we looked absolutely awful last Sat
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: BrownCounty on November 13, 2017, 12:09:06 PM
Why is Perrin still hanging around?

I thought he was interim?

We suck.

If Charlie was a 2 then Herman is a 3.  Maybe 4.  Except I thought we were Texas.

We suck.
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: CousinFreddie on November 13, 2017, 01:23:44 PM
If you can get Ehlinger back, and playing like he was the first half of the season, I think it's a toss up.  Otherwise probably a fairly clear WV win - but I wouldn't go as far as 3 TDs. 

Remember Texas did hold what turns out to be a pretty darn good ISU to 7 on the road.  They are capable of shutting down good offenses, even away.
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: utee94 on November 13, 2017, 04:45:43 PM
Texas is regressing.  And also not fun to watch, either.  Honestly, the only games I've enjoyed watching this season were the OU game and the USC game.  The rest have been pretty brutal.


Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: BrownCounty on November 13, 2017, 05:29:15 PM
I am beginning to think Cougar High has built in advantages.  They play in G5, and they have the city of Houston to raid for talent that most G5 schools don't have access to.  I'm not so sure a coach that wins at Houston has necessarily proven anything.  UCF and USF have this similar advantage in Florida.

Charlie made us desperate.  We wanted to bail, and bail fast.  Three straight losing seasons, we fielded the worst defenses in Texas history, and we lost to Kansas.  After Baylor zapped one up, A&M zapped one up, and then here came the next wonder child coach out of Houston.  Briles was the goods, Sumlin not so much, and Herman is not showing me anything.  Applewhite will probably start steam-rolling down there shortly.  Again, Houston recruiting in a G5 conference.  Piece of cake.

I'm not giving up.  Herman gets his 3 years.  Herman is a cut above Charlie, I will allow that - and I say that mostly because our special teams are not a 100% embarrassment (just 50%), and we did beat Kansas.  Charlie lucked into a decent offense with Sterlin Gilbert, and Herman seems to have lucked into a good defense with Orlando.  I will say in 10 years, Herman may be a decent coach, whereas Charlie is Charlie.

It will take more than recruiting to win in P5, but obviously recruiting is where Texas needs to start.  The meddle of a coach is demonstrated in situations like where Texas is right now - low on talent - low on alternatives - but still finds a way to compete.

Now I will yield that Herman's Longhorns have been competitive in a few games against superior opposition this year.  That's really all I can hang onto right now.  But Texas needs a statement win, not a moral win.  I will allow West Virginia as a qualifier for this.

Herman needs to come out with this team ready to play in Morgantown.  Not only that, but we need to see something out of Beck that works.  We can't just line up and run into brick walls week after week.  It's time to cook up something - that's why they are paid the big bucks.

I want a Texas win next week.  Is that a fair request?  Probably not, but the thing is - it should be a fair request, and given that we have not yet made up for the Maryland debacle.

Herman's got to give me a glimmer of something this next game, his shine is tarnishing fast.  And he doesn't have the charisma to mesmerize me.
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: MikeDeTiger on November 13, 2017, 05:59:10 PM
That really just goes to the point that hiring the right cfb coach is hard.  

Despite your thoughts on Houston there are other reasons to have believed in a lot of upside for Herman.  Whether or not he will work out remains to be seen, but I think UT did as good of a job in their coaching search as you could reasonably expect at the time.  Finding the next Mack-prime or Royal or whoever is as much luck as skill.  

I also still suspect there are things I don't know about behind the scenes that need to get cleaned up at Texas before anybody is going to reach their full potential there.  
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: longhorn320 on November 13, 2017, 06:30:51 PM
If we win another game we will be 6 and 6 for the year

just what did you guys expect

weve played 4 top ten teams this year at the time we played them

we arent a top ten team so theres 4 losses right there

so dont bail on TH just yet 

we will be a much better team next year

for those who have no patience take up a hobby or wash you car or something
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on November 13, 2017, 09:30:44 PM
The coaching carousel is a cruel two step backwards three step forward process when it works and an even more cruel three step backwards process when it doesn't.

On paper I couldn't see much difference between Strong and Herman - other than their age and experience.

Now that I've seen both I can tell you the differences.

On the bright side, Herman seems to have a better vision, a greater attention to detail and he's more articulate.

He's also much younger which means he could potentially coach Texas a lot longer, if he gets this thing turned around- which I hope he does.  

I appreciate all those things.

I do miss Strong's good humor, humility and sense of responsibility.  He didn't make excuses.

Herman's kind of a bitchass.
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: longhorn320 on November 13, 2017, 10:21:31 PM
One big reason for TH's success at U of H is his recruiting

It will be interesting to see how he does at UT with a full year under his belt

right now the 2018 class for UT is ranked 4th

2017 we were ranked 31st

under Strong:

2014 20th
2015 12th
2016 11th

I realize theres more to success then recruiting class ranking but still it couldnt hurt to have 
a highly ranked class

Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: utee94 on November 13, 2017, 11:07:26 PM
If we win another game we will be 6 and 6 for the year

just what did you guys expect

weve played 4 top ten teams this year at the time we played them

we arent a top ten team so theres 4 losses right there

so dont bail on TH just yet

we will be a much better team next year

for those who have no patience take up a hobby or wash you car or something
I expected 8-4 or 7-5 at worst.  The loss to Maryland where Texas was completely outmatched is pretty much the story of the season.  That game needed to be a win, for Texas to achieve my expectations.
I think the Horns are going to lose to WVU. Hopefully I'm wrong.  With two consecutive wins (statistically speaking, that is improbable), Texas will just barely meet my minimum expectations for the season.  With one loss, Texas will under-achieve to my expectations.
Texas has talent on the sideline that is not being utilized.  Texas clearly has enough talent to stay in the game against Top-10 caliber opponents.  Despite all of the o-line injuries and general offensive problems, this team had the capability to beat USC, OU, and oSu.  But this team did NOT win those games, and the coaching failed this team time and again.
Hermann gets more than one year, but so far I'm not whelmed by the coaching staff's exhibited capabilities.  Time will tell I suppose, but this season Texas had the talent to be a much better team than it has been.  That's on the coaches.
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: longhorn320 on November 14, 2017, 01:02:16 AM
I expected 8-4 or 7-5 at worst.  The loss to Maryland where Texas was completely outmatched is pretty much the story of the season.  That game needed to be a win, for Texas to achieve my expectations.
I think the Horns are going to lose to WVU. Hopefully I'm wrong.  With two consecutive wins (statistically speaking, that is improbable), Texas will just barely meet my minimum expectations for the season.  With one loss, Texas will under-achieve to my expectations.
Texas has talent on the sideline that is not being utilized.  Texas clearly has enough talent to stay in the game against Top-10 caliber opponents.  Despite all of the o-line injuries and general offensive problems, this team had the capability to beat USC, OU, and oSu.  But this team did NOT win those games, and the coaching failed this team time and again.
Hermann gets more than one year, but so far I'm not whelmed by the coaching staff's exhibited capabilities.  Time will tell I suppose, but this season Texas had the talent to be a much better team than it has been.  That's on the coaches.
Outside of the Maryland game UT has won every game it should have
Our def has improved a lot since that game and I dont think they would run up 50 on us today
anyway 1 game short of your expectations aint the end of the world as we know it
 
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: BrownCounty on November 14, 2017, 09:40:20 AM
If we win another game we will be 6 and 6 for the year

just what did you guys expect
I expected 7 wins.  Which we still can do, but this Saturday stands a good chance of blowing that up.

However, we could also lose the next two, and be right where Charlie left us.

The book for this season is not yet written.  All I'm saying is I haven't liked most of the chapters so far.  We could win the next two and I will be happy with our situation.

But I don't see it.  I don't see the coaching prowess to pull out a win at WVU.  Which troubles me because I've never had a ton of respect for that Gallagher looking mofo that coaches WVU.
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: BrownCounty on November 14, 2017, 09:42:48 AM
The coaching carousel is a cruel two step backwards three step forward process when it works and an even more cruel three step backwards process when it doesn't.
As best as I remember, Mack was a step forward right out of the box.  I don't remember any backwards.  Until he went backwards on himself.
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: longhorn320 on November 14, 2017, 09:57:07 AM
This is an interesting article concerning UT injuries

Not making excuses just thinking about what could have been

https://www.burntorangenation.com/2017/11/9/16629190/texas-longhorns-offense-injuries-connor-williams-tom-herman-tim-beck

Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: BrownCounty on November 14, 2017, 10:04:50 AM
This is an interesting article concerning UT injuries

Not making excuses just thinking about what could have been
Here's my issue.  When's the last time Alabama had to "think about what could have been" due to injuries?

Dammit to Hades!!  I'm tired of hearing it.
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: longhorn320 on November 14, 2017, 10:18:53 AM
sorry BC I knew Alabama

Alabama was a friend of mine

and UT aint Alabama

not many teams are

If you read the article you will see that UT was already thin at most of its OL

positions with no injuries at all but when you completely remove the starting 5 OL players

from our team and then take away half of their replacements we got trouble in River City

Most teams can deal with one or two starting OL going down but when all OL goes down

thats hard to overcome

we have 2 games left and I think we win at least one of them and go to a bowl game

will we win the bowl game - probably not but its important to go to one for reasons I wont

go into right now
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: BrownCounty on November 14, 2017, 10:24:21 AM
sorry BC I knew Alabama

Alabama was a friend of mine

and UT aint Alabama
Which is precisely the problem.
And there's no excusing it.
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: longhorn320 on November 14, 2017, 10:30:25 AM
so do you feel that way for the other 116 D1 teams that arent Alabama BC

you need a vacation

its only a game not life or death
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: BrownCounty on November 14, 2017, 11:07:22 AM
so do you feel that way for the other 116 D1 teams that arent Alabama BC
No, just T E X A S.
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: longhorn320 on November 14, 2017, 11:31:41 AM
O K  T H E N
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: BrownCounty on November 14, 2017, 11:38:09 AM
O K  T H E N
When the other 116 teams get a TV channel, I'll wonder why they all can't compete with Alabama.

In terms of championships, we don't even compete with Norman, Oklahoma.  That is pitiful if you think it through.

Texas needs some piss and vinegar.  This is the one reason I supported Herman, he does bring that.  We'll see if he brings anything else.
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: longhorn320 on November 14, 2017, 12:04:37 PM
Enjoy howling at the moon BC?
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: BrownCounty on November 14, 2017, 12:13:44 PM
Enjoy howling at the moon BC?
Enjoy just taking what life gives you?  You could have been a Texas coach.
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: utee94 on November 14, 2017, 12:17:12 PM
As best as I remember, Mack was a step forward right out of the box.  I don't remember any backwards.  Until he went backwards on himself.
Akers, McWilliams, and Mackovic all came before Mack.  THAT was our coaching carousel, Mack was at the end of it, not the beginning.  After Saint Darrell we had 1 step backward, then 5 steps backward, and then another 3 steps backward, before we got to Mack.  

Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: BrownCounty on November 14, 2017, 12:20:17 PM
Akers, McWilliams, and Mackovic all came before Mack.  THAT was our coaching carousel, Mack was at the end of it, not the beginning.  After Saint Darrell we had 1 step backward, then 5 steps backward, and then another 3 steps backward, before we got to Mack.  
My point was Mack III was not an initial step backward from Mack II.  It was all forward from day one.
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: longhorn320 on November 14, 2017, 12:21:35 PM
Enjoy just taking what life gives you?  You could have been a Texas coach.
and you could have been Captain of the Titanic
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: BrownCounty on November 14, 2017, 12:27:51 PM
and you could have been Captain of the Titanic
I think that was another guy asleep at the wheel.  Just going with the flow...
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: utee94 on November 14, 2017, 12:53:15 PM
My point was Mack III was not an initial step backward from Mack II.  It was all forward from day one.
Mack had the benefit of the greatest college running back of all time.  That was a considerable advantage.
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on November 14, 2017, 01:28:54 PM
Lot of good posts on this topic.

About coaches, I echo Junior.  Mack Brown was the rarity, in that he inherited a stockpile of talent on offense and he possessed the great good sense to move people into positions better suited to their abilities (DD Lewis and Leonard Davis immediately come to mind.   He was a great a hire and, indeed, he never stepped backward until - like Brown County said - he did it to himself.

When Charlie came in, I applauded him cleaning house.  There were certain kids on the team he inherited who were just bad news.

Course when the Horns ended up with an offensive line two-deep that had about six previous starts between them, it occurred to me he just might've cut a tad too deeply.

The team Herman inherited lost to Kansas but had also been battling just about everybody (except TCU) close for the last two years.  I expected to win a few of those close battles this year.

Instead - like Junior pointed out - talented playmakers watch from the sidelines.  And Herman whines.  Listen to this one:

“We have proven that when you can do those things regardless of any deficiencies you might have, regardless of losing three starters up front on offense, regardless of losing the Doak Walker Award winner at tailback, regardless of having to play musical chairs at quarterback because of injuries and both guys being somewhat inexperienced. If you do those things, if you play with great effort, intensity and physicality, you’ve got a chance to win,”

The perfectly (?) played "no-excuse" (but it really is an itemization of excuses) excuse.

I'm with Brown County, I don't want to hear about injuries.  Like 320 posted, our last four recruiting classes have been ranked 20,12,11 and 31.  Do you think Maryland has the depth of talent we have?   Can Oklahoma State, West Virginia or even TCU say they have the depth of talent we should have?

And yet we keep making excuses for falling short.

Herman needs to turn it around and he needs to stop whining.
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: BrownCounty on November 14, 2017, 02:05:36 PM
Tom and Charlie are both champions of the "disclaimed" excuse.

But the thing is - if it were strictly just a function of players as these excuses suggest, then we are overpaying these coaches.

Nowhere in the above left-handed crybaby litany is preparation, game planning, play-calling, or decisions of any sort called into question.

To paraphrase, 'if you play hard, you might win.'

Let me propose my own paraphrase, 'if you outcoach them, you might win.'

I've seen it done.  I've been on teams where game planning allowed us to beat greater talent.  I've coached teams (ok little league) where game planning allowed me to beat greater talent.

I just want to see Herman and Co. outcoach somebody, that's all.  Because frankly, I'm not sure Herman's at that level.
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: BrownCounty on November 14, 2017, 02:15:49 PM
In fact, although some of us love to hate on Mack (shame, shame, shame...), I can distinctly remember days when Mack would discuss variables other than players when reviewing a loss.
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: MikeDeTiger on November 14, 2017, 02:19:23 PM
Here's my issue.  When's the last time Alabama had to "think about what could have been" due to injuries?

Dammit to Hades!!  I'm tired of hearing it.
So you're comparing a first year coach without a full recruiting cycle under his belt to a school that has compiled 9 consecutive #1 recruiting classes which has literally never been done in the history of the sport?  
No wonder you're disappointed.  
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: utee94 on November 14, 2017, 02:20:04 PM
I'm certainly in agreement with the last two posts from T95 and Slick.



I'll even admit to angrily texting a couple of friends at the end of the Maryland game, saying "Fire Tom Herman immediately."



Even so, he'll get his chance next year and the year after.  But I'd like to see him start using his chances THIS year, and win more football games.  His hallmark at Houston was beating teams he wasn't supposed to.  That has yet to happen at Texas and what's worse, his team got absolutely run off the field in its first game ever against an opponent they should have beaten.  Just no excuse for that and it has remained a sour point this entire season, as we're scraping and struggling for bowl eligibility against the Kansases of the world.
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: TexasFan on November 14, 2017, 02:39:57 PM
Beat WV and Tech and we head off to the Texas or Alamo Bowl?   Could meet Aggie in the Texas bowl?  :smiley_confused1:
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: BrownCounty on November 14, 2017, 02:45:22 PM
And another thing - the hotter the wife, the higher my demands of a coach.

I mean, he should be earning those goods dammit.

Don't come prancing in front of me with a brunette that causes my eyes to water, my hands to sweat and my loins to quiver.  I'm not going to walk away with juiced jorts and a 5-win season and call that a good time.

I expect results from any bastage that's bagging that kind of merchandise.
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: BrownCounty on November 14, 2017, 02:48:45 PM
Could meet Aggie in the Texas bowl?  :smiley_confused1:
For the first time ever, I say H to the hockey sticks to this idea.  Not this year.
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: Thumper on November 14, 2017, 03:34:36 PM
I don't see the coaching prowess to pull out a win at WVU.  Which troubles me because I've never had a ton of respect for that Gallagher looking mofo that coaches WVU.
I've always thought he looked like Bobcat Goldtwaith
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: Mr Tulip on November 14, 2017, 03:46:22 PM
The Maryland game is a perfect reason NOT to fire Tom Herman - even if that were a consideration. The team was coached in his way, then tried it their own old way for one game. You can see the difference.

Texas' TE troubles are bordering on Spinal Tap drummer status. While the high flying WR antics get all the press, teams don't win without a big body causing confusion at the LOS and pulling the LBs out of position. Texas barely had an option at the beginning of the season, and he got hurt before the first snap.

I wish Texas had more OL ready to go, but that just doesn't happen. No one loses Connor Williams, Elijah Rodriguez, and Pat Hudson caliber talent and just rolls on. If you consider the transfers who left, thinking they were buried (who then wouldn't be buried had they stayed), that's a literal ton of OL talent that hasn't played for Texas this season. 

Injuries may be an excuse, but sometimes excuses are valid. If Texas were ready made out of the box, Charlie Strong would still be here, Texas isn't and he isn't. Herman had work to do, and he's done a lot. 
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: BrownCounty on November 14, 2017, 03:59:19 PM
Texas' TE troubles are bordering on Spinal Tap drummer status.

Oh geez... now I'm going to be humming "Hellhole" the rest of the day...
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: FearlessF on November 14, 2017, 06:01:00 PM
I've always thought he looked like Bobcat Goldtwaith

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTc4NzExNzkwM15BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwNjA2Nzk0._V1_.jpg)
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: BrownCounty on November 15, 2017, 04:43:11 PM
Busy posting day today.
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: utee94 on November 15, 2017, 04:55:06 PM
ousux
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on November 15, 2017, 10:41:22 PM
I started to post.  I had an hour so I researched two separate axes to grind and had all the facts and quotes at hand to post.

Then I thought to myself - eh, who cares?

We're all in the same boat.  Why nitpick?
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: longhorn320 on November 15, 2017, 11:19:28 PM
I started to post.  I had an hour so I researched two separate axes to grind and had all the facts and quotes at hand to post.

Then I thought to myself - eh, who cares?

We're all in the same boat.  Why nitpick?
sometimes no froth is the way to go
I do the same thing I get all worked up and then a little voice says dude its only a game
and I go back to sleep
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: BrownCounty on November 16, 2017, 09:31:31 AM
I do the same thing I get all worked up and then a little voice says dude its only a game
and I go back to sleep
I can't see you getting all worked up 320.
Moreso the sleeping part.
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: longhorn320 on November 16, 2017, 10:19:53 AM
when I was growing up there was an easy chair in the den that my Dad claimed

he would be awake one moment and fast asleep the next

that used to amaze me.  How could anyone fall asleep in the middle of the day in a chair?

and this was while there was a very exciting football or baseball game on TV

Well now I understand how this happens and one day BC so will you

taking a short nap during the day in a recliner is one of life's little golden nuggets of pleasure

you will one day discover
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: utee94 on November 16, 2017, 10:39:52 AM
Supposed to be cool and rainy during the game Saturday morning.  That would normally tend to hinder a passing team and favor a running team.


Unfortunately we're neither a good passing team nor a good running team, so I don't think we're getting any help from the weather.  

Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: longhorn320 on November 16, 2017, 11:23:37 AM
I think a rainy day favors the passing team in that the receiver knows where hes going and the def dosent

on a slick field that one fact should give the edge to the offense

anyway it sounds good
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: BrownCounty on November 16, 2017, 12:32:47 PM
taking a short nap during the day in a recliner is one of life's little golden nuggets of pleasure

you will one day discover
I've had a nap in a recliner before.  Maybe 2-3 times in my life.  Likely because I was worn out.  It was nice.

I doubt I'll ever graduate to recliner napping on a daily basis.  I would worry about all the life that's passing me by while I just lie there waiting for diabetes and/or cancer.
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: BrownCounty on November 16, 2017, 12:38:51 PM
Supposed to be cool and rainy during the game Saturday morning.  That would normally tend to hinder a passing team and favor a running team.
WVU always tends to be a bunch of lightweight Florida speedsters that were too small to get picked up by the SEC or ACC.  I'll take the bad weather, given defense is our best shot anyway.

And then hope maybe we can run over them a few times when we have the ball.
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: longhorn320 on November 16, 2017, 01:08:16 PM
I've had a nap in a recliner before.  Maybe 2-3 times in my life.  Likely because I was worn out.  It was nice.

I doubt I'll ever graduate to recliner napping on a daily basis.  I would worry about all the life that's passing me by while I just lie there waiting for diabetes and/or cancer.
nobody said to take naps every day
I guess youre just a better man then me BC
youre so wise
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on November 16, 2017, 02:01:50 PM
I'm generally an honest person.

For one thing, it's easier to just tell the truth and accept the consequences than to try to remember some story.  For another reason, there's nothing in my life worth lying about.  I don't hold any state secrets.  I'm not cheating on my wife.  The facts in my life can't bother anyone and if my opinions step on somebody's toes that's just too bad.  They're still my opinion.

But when I fall asleep somewhere besides in my bed, I'm a different man.  I'm a stinking liar.

I'll be sitting on the couch with the missus, watching some insipid Hallmark movie and start nodding off.  She nudges me and say "wake up," and I"m like, "I am awake."  

Next thing I know I wake up in the middle of the night all alone in the living room and I wonder, "why the heck did I lie?"  What's so embarrassing about falling asleep?

But my sleepy mind will do it every time.

Are you falling asleep?  Nope.  Not me.
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: FearlessF on November 16, 2017, 02:22:30 PM
I don't mind a nice nap in the afternoon, now that I'm a bit older

especially after opening up the bar on Saturday morning - by 3 or 4 o'clock and some food in my belly, I can get a bit sleepy

but, I'm quite disciplined about falling asleep in the recliner at night.  Hate waking up a 2 or 4 in the morning in the chair, so I'm very good about getting off to bed if I start dozing in the evening
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: BrownCounty on November 16, 2017, 02:49:50 PM
I sleep pretty well at night, but seems like I get a fantastic night's sleep when I am sleeping in a strange bed.  I don't get it.

Hotel room?  Ahh yes, I'm out like a light.  Visiting family?  I'm out before my head hits the pillow.  Not sure why I sleep so well in other beds.

But then I pay for it in the morning, cuz my shower at the house rules.  I hate not having my 5x5 shower, with hard water blasting on me at about 120 psi.

Everyone else's shower sucks.  And that goes double for hotel showers.
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: BrownCounty on November 16, 2017, 03:16:31 PM
It's Thursday afternoon and here comes that feeling.  Again.

Yep, that's right, that feeling that we are going to win...  But why not this time?  When have the breaks gone our way this season?  A broken clock is right twice a day.  Even a blind squirrel finds a nut.  And other bullsheet like that.

We can win this game.  We will win this game.  WVU hasn't even played OU yet.  Their numbers are padded.  Our numbers have been minimized.  All we have left is Tech after this game.  We've already run the gauntlet.

WVU is not all that.  I think we can beat them with big boy football.  We will miss Holton Hill, but we got 3 picks last week without him.  Although our overall defense somewhat faltered last week, I'm going to count on that being our down game.

Texas has showed basically zero signs of a run game.  Something (insanity) tells me that we will run the ball Saturday.  Our defense will show up.  Our kicker will connect when needed.

Texas wins Saturday dammit.
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: utee94 on November 16, 2017, 05:53:40 PM
Hope you're right.



But I suspect we're just playing Charlie Brown to WVU's Lucy.

Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: Kris61 on November 16, 2017, 07:49:58 PM
I'm afraid Texas might take us to the woodshed.  Y'all's defense is good enough to do what Ok St did to us and sort of what you guys did to Ok St. Have a light box up front, drop eight into coverage,  take away the deep ball, and dare us to run it.  We couldn't do it and Grier had his worst game of the year.  Our O-Line is not physical.

That game wasn't nearly as close as the final score either.  Ok St kicked our ass.  The D has played better the last couple of games but Iowa St and K State both were playing kids at QB who were 3rd string at the start of the season.  Who is going to play for UT, Ehlinger or  Buechele?

For whatever reason I've probably watched more Texas games this year than anyone else except WVU.  I really like the defense.  Offensively, they are a tough watch at times.  I heard you guys were a little beat up at corner.  That's a bad spot to be thin against WVU.  The deep ball has been our best weapon all year.
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: longhorn320 on November 16, 2017, 08:46:09 PM
Kris61 if we had an offense Id agree with you but sadly I fear the worst

no def will remain strong if the Off goes 3 and out over and over
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: utee94 on November 16, 2017, 08:59:54 PM
I'm afraid Texas might take us to the woodshed.  Y'all's defense is good enough to do what Ok St did to us and sort of what you guys did to Ok St. Have a light box up front, drop eight into coverage,  take away the deep ball, and dare us to run it.  We couldn't do it and Grier had his worst game of the year.  Our O-Line is not physical.

That game wasn't nearly as close as the final score either.  Ok St kicked our ass.  The D has played better the last couple of games but Iowa St and K State both were playing kids at QB who were 3rd string at the start of the season.  Who is going to play for UT, Ehlinger or  Buechele?

For whatever reason I've probably watched more Texas games this year than anyone else except WVU.  I really like the defense.  Offensively, they are a tough watch at times.  I heard you guys were a little beat up at corner.  That's a bad spot to be thin against WVU.  The deep ball has been our best weapon all year.
Oh.  Huh.  You're a WVU fan?  I figured you were a B1G fan.  Anyway, welcome to the B12 board.  Stick around...
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: CousinFreddie on November 17, 2017, 08:31:56 AM
Oh I’ve posted with Kris before.  He’s a very knowledgeable fan and a good sport.
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: utee94 on November 17, 2017, 09:25:03 AM
Oh I’ve posted with Kris before.  He’s a very knowledgeable fan and a good sport.
Yeah, I know, he's been around a while.  Just poking fun because he spends all his time on the B1G board, and rarely slums it with us over here in 12 land.
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: BrownCounty on November 17, 2017, 11:51:45 AM
Yeah, I know, he's been around a while.  Just poking fun because he spends all his time on the B1G board, and rarely slums it with us over here in 12 land.
Admission requirements are pretty low around here.

We will need to know your favorite beer, and how you prefer your chili.

Not required but for extra credit - if you like to BBQ or smoke meat, please elaborate.
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: MikeDeTiger on November 17, 2017, 01:34:35 PM
I just wish it would get cold enough to really enjoy some chili.  

Admission standards are low, but acceptance standards remain lofty.  I've been here well over a decade and some of these guys are happy to hang out with me in real life, but on here if you weren't around in the CNNSIASDFJKL; days, you ain't sh!t.  
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: utee94 on November 17, 2017, 01:52:48 PM
HA!  Those were the days indeed.



Temperature are supposed to dip a bit on Sunday,  I might make some chili then.  Need to see what I've got salted away, I might have some venison in the deep freeze.  
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: UT-Erin03 on November 17, 2017, 01:57:41 PM
If you show up with tamales, acceptance is quick. 

At least if you want to gain my acceptance anyway, can't speak for the others. 
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: BrownCounty on November 17, 2017, 02:30:39 PM
If you show up with tamales, acceptance is quick.
Not only for a gringo, but for anybody, I am quite the Mexican food aficionado.  And while it would be hard to name my favorite standard item within the realm of conventional Mexican cuisine - the tamale is just unbeatable.
The problem is in restaurants they don't serve enough.  For instance, a tamale dinner may have 2-3 tamales on the plate.  For real?  I could inhale that before I sat down.  No for me, tamales require something in the 5-6 count range at least.
So for that reason, sometimes I will order a plate that just has one tamale along with other items (enchiladas, etc) but the truth is I enjoy the tamale the most.
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: utee94 on November 17, 2017, 03:09:13 PM
I like tamales.


But for me, the premier dish in the realm of Mexican food, is the cheese enchilada with brown chile gravy
(often their con carne sauce).  That is the first thing I'll order at any new restaurant, and the standard by which I judge any Mexican food establishment.  If they can't get that one right, I never bother going back to order anything else.

Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: BrownCounty on November 17, 2017, 03:41:57 PM
I like tamales.


But for me, the premier dish in the realm of Mexican food, is the cheese enchilada with brown chile gravy (often their con carne sauce).
The cheese enchilada surely offers a distinct taste at almost each and every fine establishment (as opposed to some lower rung joints, where they're all the same).  The thing is, sometimes you can be disappointed.  I've had a nasty cheese enchilada before.  For that reason, I typically don't go out of my way to order cheese enchiladas unless it just happens to come with my plate.

But I do understand how it could be a reflection of what's going on in the kitchen.  Once I decide I like a place, maybe I should order a cheese enchilada.  Hopefully they won't ruin it for me.
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: MikeDeTiger on November 17, 2017, 06:48:09 PM
Now I'm hungry.  

Anybody like jambalaya or crawfish etouffee?  I'll trade you a pot for some chili and some Tex-Mex.  

Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: MikeDeTiger on November 17, 2017, 06:56:16 PM
If you show up with tamales, acceptance is quick.

At least if you want to gain my acceptance anyway, can't speak for the others.
My previous comment excludes you.  
Erin always talks to me.  
Sometimes she even comes up with a spare LSU ticket and we go watch the bengals put a beatdown on Aggie.  
Erin has seen me masquerading as a Texan in my 2nd home, she's been a visitor in a foreign land right along with me, and she's seen me in my natural habitat in Baton Rouge.  
Erin gets me.  We are football bros.  
Even though she's a chick.  
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: FearlessF on November 17, 2017, 08:07:52 PM
Now I'm hungry.  

Anybody like jambalaya or crawfish etouffee?  


yes Sir!
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: Kris61 on November 18, 2017, 11:23:44 AM
Yeah, I know, he's been around a while.  Just poking fun because he spends all his time on the B1G board, and rarely slums it with us over here in 12 land.
I don't know enough about barbecue or chili to hang with y'all.
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: utee94 on November 18, 2017, 01:19:56 PM
I don't know enough about barbecue or chili to hang with y'all.
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: TexasFan on November 18, 2017, 03:35:29 PM
Very good win today for Texas.   Beat Tech, win our bowl game and were 8-5?    :)
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: Kris61 on November 18, 2017, 04:50:52 PM
Sigh.  Texas dominated the LOS like I was afraid they would.  WVU's run game has been extremely disappointing this year.  Obviously, would have liked to have seen Grier finish the game and see how things played out that way, but whatever.  That's football.

Nice win for the Horns.  Ehlinger is a tough kid.  I like him but y'all got to reign him a little. The absolute two worst throws/decisions I've seen all year were both by him.  The Ok St OT throw and the pick 6 today.
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: longhorn320 on November 18, 2017, 05:02:33 PM
Sigh.  Texas dominated the LOS like I was afraid they would.  WVU's run game has been extremely disappointing this year.  Obviously, would have liked to have seen Grier finish the game and see how things played out that way, but whatever.  That's football.

Nice win for the Horns.  Ehlinger is a tough kid.  I like him but y'all got to reign him a little. The absolute two worst throws/decisions I've seen all year were both by him.  The Ok St OT throw and the pick 6 today.
hes a green freshman
thats what they do
fortunately his good play overcame his bad play
glad this one is behind us  WV has a good team
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: CousinFreddie on November 18, 2017, 11:57:45 PM
If you can get Ehlinger back, and playing like he was the first half of the season, I think it's a toss up.  Otherwise probably a fairly clear WV win - but I wouldn't go as far as 3 TDs.  

Remember Texas did hold what turns out to be a pretty darn good ISU to 7 on the road.  They are capable of shutting down good offenses, even away.
It worked out pretty much like I thought it might.  Congrats Horns.  Texas played hard and well.  
It’s tough to hold WVU to 14 in M-town.  No doubt the Grier injury had something to do with it but even on that play the Texas defense showed how much they wanted this game.  
And then Ehlinger had some truly brilliant pure football moves on O.  He’s good and damn only a freshman.
Texas is on the verge of being “back”.  I’m glad OU has a bright new QB in the wings to take Baker’s place in 2018, cos the Sooners are gonna need it to keep up with Texas next year.
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: longhorn320 on November 19, 2017, 08:58:55 AM
thanks for the kind words cousin

OU shows signs of life

maybe this is their year
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: TexasFan on November 19, 2017, 09:11:06 AM
320 is correct.  He is a green freshman and he plays like it as well. 
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: utee94 on November 19, 2017, 12:14:19 PM
Any win's a good win for Texas.  Condolences to Kris and the 'Eers, best of luck through bowl season.

The offense is night and day with Connor Williams playing, it's good to have him back and hopefully he remains healthy and gets a big pro deal, he deserves it.

Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on November 20, 2017, 09:18:05 AM
Hated to see Will Grier get injured.  I never like to see any player get hurt.

That said, y'all know I called this victory a month ago on the 2nd page of the "oSu @ Texas - how will it got down" thread when I said:

I hope I don't jinx the Horns and incur the wrath of the ECFGs by saying this but...

If Texas can keep up its level of effort...

I think they could go 4-1 over the next five.

TCU could be ugly but the rest should be winnable.  Not easy.  No guarantees.  But winnable.

7-5 would be nice.  Especially with 3 of the losses being dogfights.
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on November 20, 2017, 09:23:03 AM
It's really good to see the Horns shaping up and showing even more tangible signs of improvement under Herman.

The Red Raiders should be either emotionally charged or emotionally depleted when they come to town on Friday.  A winning season, bowl berth and their coach's job could be on the line.  Hope they don't cockroach us.  My guess is they'll come out hyped and throw everything at the wall.  If Texas can punch them in the nose a few times early, they might give up without a whimper.  But Texas will need to put its foot down early.  You don't want the pesky Red Raiders sticking around for four quarters.
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: Mr Tulip on November 20, 2017, 09:50:24 AM
I can't wait to see Breckyn Hager in the 2nd half. 30 minutes of football to unload everything you've got left in front of the home crowd as a pass rush specialist!

There's no Texas fan out there who will ever be comfortable playing Tech. While just about every stat should go the Longhorns' way, we've seen the Red Raiders go pass silly on really good Texas teams. Until this one is over, I'm not assuming anything.

Anyone have a stat on how many opposing QB's have started but not finished the game against the Horn D this season?
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: BrownCounty on November 20, 2017, 09:56:05 AM
I think we're going to get our 7 wins.  Yes, we have fired coaches for better than that but we've rock bottomed.

Tech is down in the mouth.  I don't think they will even put up a fight.  I would say Kliff is gone, but now we've a got another slew of SEC helmet schools that will be coach shopping again.  Saban has built a revolving door in that conference for other coaches.

However - I don't think Tech and the SEC would be shopping the same market if you get my drift, so I say Kliff is gone anyway, and in fact it's already been discussed.

So here I go - entitled Texas fan, marking our next game as a W.  But like I say, Tech is a whipped dog, while Texas is starting to see a few glimmers of light.  Our guys will come out ready to kill, and Tech will come out and roll over.

7-5.  Man it feels good.  And what if we win our bowl game?  8 wins!!

Now granted, we still don't look that good.  The WVU win was ugly, mixed with flashes of beauty.  Mostly thanks to Sam for both.  We gotta stick with Sam.  We had ourselves convinced of this earlier in the year, and then some of us crawfished.  BS.  Sam is the guy.  End of story.  I am willing to die by Sam if it comes to it, but we need to go full on Sam.  The offense just has more life.  I'm not going to overlook Conner's return on the line, but it was both.  I can think of a handful of plays where Shane takes the loss and we punt.  Although I am fully aware that Shane doesn't hand WVU that pick 6.  I don't care.  Sam, dammit.

Great turnaround for us. I say we play in beast mode this Friday.
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: longhorn320 on November 20, 2017, 09:57:57 AM
I can't wait to see Breckyn Hager in the 2nd half. 30 minutes of football to unload everything you've got left in front of the home crowd as a pass rush specialist!

There's no Texas fan out there who will ever be comfortable playing Tech. While just about every stat should go the Longhorns' way, we've seen the Red Raiders go pass silly on really good Texas teams. Until this one is over, I'm not assuming anything.

Anyone have a stat on how many opposing QB's have started but not finished the game against the Horn D this season?
Great question
I say the over/under is 4
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on November 20, 2017, 10:11:49 AM
Anyone have a stat on how many opposing QB's have started but not finished the game against the Horn D this season?
I used to keep track of things like that but I got away from it along about 2006 when the shoe was on the other foot and I saw so many aggies get such utter delight out of Colt McCoy's injury.
Generally speaking though - I can recollect a lot of years when a lot of opposing QBs got injured against Texas.
Not that that's anything to brag about.  It really isn't.
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: BrownCounty on November 20, 2017, 10:21:05 AM
To the extent Will Grier's finger had anything to do with the Texas D - I will say if he had had the ball in full possession the injury wouldn't have happened.

He knew he had lost possession and was struggling to regain control, thereby jacking up his finger when hitting the ground.

Did the impact of the Texas player knock the ball loose?  I guess it has something to do with it.
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: longhorn320 on November 20, 2017, 10:30:38 AM
I used to keep track of things like that but I got away from it along about 2006 when the shoe was on the other foot and I saw so many aggies get such utter delight out of Colt McCoy's injury.
Generally speaking though - I can recollect a lot of years when a lot of opposing QBs got injured against Texas.
Not that that's anything to brag about.  It really isn't.
not bragging just an observation CH
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: utee94 on November 25, 2017, 09:20:17 AM
well we never bothered to start a UT-Tech thread, which is just as well.  What a poor performance from the offense, and an spotty and uneven performance from the defense.  I guess 6-6 is better than 5-7.  But not by much.   I didn't expect Texas to go 10-2 or anything in Herman's first year, but I expected something much better than what I saw this season.  


And another college football seson is over.  Is it time for Swimming and Diving yet?
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: longhorn320 on November 25, 2017, 10:08:40 AM
did you see our Basketball team yesterday against Duke?

they looked pretty good

they took Duke to overtime
Title: Re: Texas at West Virginia
Post by: Thumper on November 25, 2017, 11:31:20 AM
I think we're going to get our 7 wins.  Yes, we have fired coaches for better than that but we've rock bottomed.

Tech is down in the mouth.  I don't think they will even put up a fight.  I would say Kliff is gone, but now we've a got another slew of SEC helmet schools that will be coach shopping again.  Saban has built a revolving door in that conference for other coaches.

However - I don't think Tech and the SEC would be shopping the same market if you get my drift, so I say Kliff is gone anyway, and in fact it's already been discussed.

So here I go - entitled Texas fan, marking our next game as a W.  But like I say, Tech is a whipped dog, while Texas is starting to see a few glimmers of light.  Our guys will come out ready to kill, and Tech will come out and roll over.

7-5.  Man it feels good.  And what if we win our bowl game?  8 wins!!

Now granted, we still don't look that good.  The WVU win was ugly, mixed with flashes of beauty.  Mostly thanks to Sam for both.  We gotta stick with Sam.  We had ourselves convinced of this earlier in the year, and then some of us crawfished.  BS.  Sam is the guy.  End of story.  I am willing to die by Sam if it comes to it, but we need to go full on Sam.  The offense just has more life.  I'm not going to overlook Conner's return on the line, but it was both.  I can think of a handful of plays where Shane takes the loss and we punt.  Although I am fully aware that Shane doesn't hand WVU that pick 6.  I don't care.  Sam, dammit.

Great turnaround for us. I say we play in beast mode this Friday.

Just great.  Another data point for CH's ECFG theory. Or maybe it is a data point for BroCo's "curse of the LHN" theory.
On the plus side, the Big 12 has 8 bowl eligible teams.