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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Mdot21 on November 12, 2017, 12:10:32 PM
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Fox Sports college football reporter Bruce Feldman reporting that Butch Jones has been fired. Been a long time coming for him.
Florida already open, Nebraska about to open, and good chance UCLA, Arkansas, and A&M have openings too. Going to be a lot of competition to find a coach.
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I know he's getting up there a bit, but they should really take a look at David Cutcliffe to come in and set the ship on a straight path. He's got some good assistants with him at Dook that he could bring and perhaps groom.
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interim head coach will be none other than Brady Hoke. Didn't even realize he was on the Vols staff. At least Tennessee will get to save some money on headsets rest of the way.
I like the idea of Cutcliffe. Not sure the fans and big donors will get behind him considering his age and the desire to land a big name. Jon Gruden to Tennessee rumors commencing in...1...2...3....
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It's so sad - on the SEC board, nearly every post about this mentions Gruden. They just can't help themselves.
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It's so sad - on the SEC board, nearly every post about this mentions Gruden. They just can't help themselves.
yeah, I never got the Gruden thing with them. He was an assistant college coach early on in the 80s for like two years. After that it was all NFL. He was an NFL coach for like 20 years. Does he really want to recruit? Has he ever really done it? He's not from the state of Tennessee. He's from Ohio. He's turned down NFL gigs since getting into broadcasting. He hasn't coached a football team since 2008. Almost 10 years. What makes them think he's dying to coach Tennessee? I just don't get it.
Gruden's "dream job" when he was a young pup was coaching at Michigan. Not Tennessee.
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It's so sad - on the SEC board, nearly every post about this mentions Gruden. They just can't help themselves.
Delusional. He ain't gonna go to Tennessee. Or anywhere most likely.
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Delusional. He ain't gonna go to Tennessee. Or anywhere most likely.
I'm with you. Tennessee just might be so desperate though they would offer him a contract worth $9-10 million a year.
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He probably making close to that right now, with zero stress. Remember he's a high stress guy - much like Urban. I don't know if he could handle a pressure cooker like Tennessee. They would expect MNC's every year if they had him. And then there's the whole recruiting thing that he's never done.
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He probably making close to that right now, with zero stress. Remember he's a high stress guy - much like Urban. I don't know if he could handle a pressure cooker like Tennessee. They would expect MNC's every year if they had him. And then there's the whole recruiting thing that he's never done.
that is insane that he makes that much on tv. No wonder why ESPN is laying off shitloads of people. They pay these tv personalities way too much effing money. I thought MOST he'd be making doing that job would be like 750k. It's a part time job and there's only 16 MNF games. That is probably THE MAX it's worth. People don't tune in to listen to the broadcaster. They tune in to watch a good game. Problem for the NFL lately has been it's too over-saturated with prime time night games and the games they do schedule for night games pretty much suck. They need to just kill Thursday night off and they should make sure they are getting a Steelers-Patriots or Cowboys-Eagles prime time type games every week. Nobody wants to watch the freaking Colts take on the Jaguars or the Browns take on the 49ers in prime time. They want to watch the marquee players on the marquee winning teams go up against each other in prime time.
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They tune in to bitch about the broadcaster...
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They tune in to bitch about the broadcaster...
Lol. I watch most games college or pro with the volume on really low. Sometimes even mute if the announcers are really bad. The only guy I seem to enjoy listening to is Tony Romo. He's so knowledgeable and calls things out before they happen like he's Nostradamus. Can definitely see why he was such a good QB for so many years.
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The NFL is a no-watch for me right now. I wouldn't know what to tell ya.
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I'm with you. Tennessee just might be so desperate though they would offer him a contract worth $9-10 million a year.
Thought I read he's getting paid 7 mil per by BSPN.Not certain what the infatuation is with him anyway.Easy mullah for talking shiite
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The NFL is a no-watch for me right now. I wouldn't know what to tell ya.
Well I catch the Browns sometimes so I'm right there with you
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Thought I read he's getting paid 7 mil per by BSPN.Not certain what the infatuation is with him anyway.Easy mullah for talking shiite
That and whatever he gets for the Gruden QB thing and endorsements. Chucky is sitting pretty, with zero stress.
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ESPNU Radio guys this morning were talking about Mike Gundy and Mike Leach as good candidates for the Tennessee position.
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hah, maybe a mullet, but not a pirate
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Lol. I watch most games college or pro with the volume on really low. Sometimes even mute if the announcers are really bad. The only guy I seem to enjoy listening to is Tony Romo. He's so knowledgeable and calls things out before they happen like he's Nostradamus. Can definitely see why he was such a good QB for so many years.
never liked Tony cause he was a cowboy
he's a dern good announcer, better than a QB and he wasn't a bad QB
at least he knows a screen when he sees one, the announcers for today's Viking game sure didn't
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ESPNU Radio guys this morning were talking about Mike Gundy and Mike Leach as good candidates for the Tennessee position.
Gundy turned them down last time. Oklahoma State is a better program, and Tennessee worse, since then. Why would he have a different response now?
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ESPNU Radio guys this morning were talking about Mike Gundy and Mike Leach as good candidates for the Tennessee position.
I don't think Gundy will leave Oklahoma State. He played there and now he's the head coach. And I think T Boone Pickens will do what it takes to make sure he stays there. Not sure Mike Leach will leave where he's at either. He seems to like being the outsider. Tennessee might not be one of the 8 blue bloods but it's in that next tier right after. That's a big-time job and a pressure cooker.
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Gundy turned them down last time. Oklahoma State is a better program, and Tennessee worse, since then. Why would he have a different response now?
Agreed and he has Texas to recruit from.Rocky Top is a big rebuilding project.Sorta of see them as a middle of the pack type program unless they land another Gen.Nyland
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I agree with the skepticism about Gundy leaving oSu for Tennessee.
But reasons that he might leave could be: he's oSu's best-ever head coach, and yet OU's dominance (87-18-7) of the Bedlam series has been even greater since he became head coach (11-2) than it was previously; he believes he's taken oSu as high as it can go, while Tennessee would seem to have a big upside; he's tired of the alternating complaints and praise from oSu's sugar-daddy T. Boone Pickens; or he's just ready for a new challenge.
He has done some odd things this year that make it seem as if he might be going through a mid-life crisis. He's got his mullet hairdo. He's worn a rasslin' singlet to do a promo for oSu's most successful-ever program, he's done an "I'll do it if you'll do it" act with QB Mason Rudolph that resulted in them both taking their shirts off at a pep rally.
But I think that he genuinely loves his alma mater, and that he will most likely stay in Stillwater.
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Agreed and he has Texas to recruit from.Rocky Top is a big rebuilding project.Sorta of see them as a middle of the pack type program unless they land another Gen.Nyland
I don't know man. I don't think it's that big of a rebuilding job to be honest. There's more talent in the state of Tennessee than you think, and they are in the SEC which is a selling point for recruits down south and they have always recruited Georgia and Florida really well. They've also always loaded up on JUCO's and have been very successful pillaging the JUCO ranks for immediate impact starters. They've had more than a few 1st round NFL'ers that they've landed through the JUCO ranks. That's also a big plus- that they can take just about any kid and get them admitted and help them win right away.
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lol, coach at Tennessee, because JUCOs!!!
Yeesh. btw, Mike Leach is the exact opposite type of person as your average UT fan. They'd hate his offense and every word out of his mouth. Total non-fit, culturally.
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Factoring JUCO's is another subject I still see them as middling.Between Bama/Fla/Geo/Aub/LSU even Miss ST.Fla & Geo with built in talent advantages.And still recruiting against Clem/Mia/Carolina schools for a program that hasn't ruled the roost in quite some time.Who ever the Vols hire better be a hell of a salesman or have bagmen in tow :67:
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lol, coach at Tennessee, because JUCOs!!!
Yeesh. btw, Mike Leach is the exact opposite type of person as your average UT fan. They'd hate his offense and every word out of his mouth. Total non-fit, culturally.
JUCO's are a bigger deal than you think.
Tennessee has more talent in-state than everyone thinks. Problem is they haven't been locking it down. The best CB in the NFL right now is probably Jaylen Ramsey. Where'd he go to high school? In Tennessee. Where'd he go to college? Florida State.
In the 2017 class the state of Tennessee had three 5* prospects and a fourth prospect that barely missed a 5* ranking by 15 slots. Tennessee got exactly one of those players, 5* OT Trey Smith- and they had to hire his older sister to get him. 5* WR Tee Higgins went to Clemson, 5* Safety JaCoby Stevens went to LSU, and high 4* MLB Jacob Phillips went to LSU. Phillips was the #1 rated Middle Linebacker prospect in the 247Composite.
In 2018, 5* in state linemen Cade Mays is the #2 ranked OT in the nation in the 247Composite and a top 15 player overall...and he will be going to......not Tennessee. Look at the top 10 players in the state of Tennessee for 2018. Only 2 of them are slated to go to Tennessee as it stands right now.
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Tennessee is at a crossroads, much like Nebraska. Fading helmets in search of their identity.
I thought Riley would do better at UNL than he has, with his connections to Cali recruiting and all that. It hasn't mattered. It's starting to sound like Frost is a done deal to UNL. This is a good thing.
From the start I thought Butch was a bad hire for Tennessee. His style of play does not work against the big boys.
Tennessee has an alum in the coaching ranks right now named Tee Martin. He is the OC at tUSC. Maybe hire Cutcliffe to get the ship turned around and have him bring in Tee Martin to groom, as the associate head coach or something - but only if Cut agrees to do so.
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Yeesh. btw, Mike Leach is the exact opposite type of person as your average UT fan. They'd hate his offense and every word out of his mouth. Total non-fit, culturally.
Yeah, although winning cures most cultural issues, I don't think that's a good fit at all.
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I'm still shocked they let Jones go just one year after winning the champions of life. No new coach will feel confident with that lack of job security....
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They should just keep Hoke.
He was awesome at Ball State. Or something.
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the Vols should open up fort knox and hire Urban away from the Big Ten where he's not appreciated
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I think they should just hire Peyton Manning as their new HC...
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the Vols should open up fort knox and hire Urban away from the Big Ten where he's not appreciated
My sources tell me Big Vol money going all in on Frost
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money can't buy home and family
but, it doesn't suck
perhaps mom and pop would be willing to move to Knoxville to be close to the grandkids?????
would the booster's of substance be willing to put Tom Osborne on staff with his own private fishing spot?
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Nebraska can offer home, but if Florida wants Frost as much as UT, who wins out on that one?
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Home is priceless. You could offer the moon to a guy like Paul Chryst, for example, and he ain't coming. He's home.
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Indeed. I remember Charlie McBride telling me that "Tom Osborne wouldn't move across the street for millions of dollars."
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Nebraska can offer home, but if Florida wants Frost as much as UT, who wins out on that one?
good question
I'd say Florida, but I'm not Frost and don't know what he's thinking
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It'd be most meaningful to Frost to win at Nebraska, obviously, but he's succeeding at Central Florida....not Central Michigan or Middle Tennessee. He's able to win where he's at because there's plenty of talent where he's at (even getting the leftovers). Winning at UNL won't be easy. While they're in the "right" division of the B10, it's still the B10 - not UNL, OU, and the 6 dwarves like it used to be back in the day.
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It's so sad - on the SEC board, nearly every post about this mentions Gruden. They just can't help themselves.
With Gruden, I'm guessing the blueprint Vols are going for is a Jim Harbaugh type of hire, but it only works on paper.
It's a worse situation than whether Gruden will go to Tennessee - it's a matter of whether Gruden will even be a good coach. When was the last time he recruited High School kids? When's the last time beat writers took him to the woodshed? Will his NFL strategies from 10 years ago even work now?
Gruden is now a completely different person than when he was a coach. He's relaxed, comfortable, and not the relentlessly obsessive personality he used to be. And will Gruden 100% go back to that to coach again?
edit: probably should've read the all the comments first to realize most echo my doubts of Gruden as well.
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It'd be most meaningful to Frost to win at Nebraska, obviously, but he's succeeding at Central Florida....not Central Michigan or Middle Tennessee. He's able to win where he's at because there's plenty of talent where he's at (even getting the leftovers). Winning at UNL won't be easy. While they're in the "right" division of the B10, it's still the B10 - not UNL, OU, and the 6 dwarves like it used to be back in the day.
I agree, but I can also say the same thing about Florida and Tennessee
yes, there's plenty of talent in Florida and Tennessee, but even with top notch talent, winning won't be easy
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With Gruden, I'm guessing the blueprint Vols are going for is a Jim Harbaugh type of hire, but it only works on paper.
Why not? I think finishing 3rd in the East every year is attainable
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I think they should just hire Peyton Manning as their new HC...
Peyton is gonna be an NFL GM
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Peyton's also going to collude with the Russians to oust Papa John and take THAT over, too. He's shrewd, I tells ya.
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just like Johnny Elway
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Peyton's also going to collude with the Russians to oust Papa John and take THAT over, too. He's shrewd, I tells ya.
Who'd want it? Some guys took a knee, and now people want to eat shitty Pizza Hut or something. Except now the Nazis endorsed Papa John's so maybe they'll be ok after all.
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the thing about Gruden and UT is romance... i've argued with people (recently) and don't know why they can't get it through their heads that UT is trying to land him. that isn't supposition, that is fact. There was talk that went nowhere prior to Kiffin, then talk that ended pretty quickly before Dooley... now, there is talk yet again.
that doesn't mean Gruden is talking with UT.... from all gathered intel, it's a one way conversation. It's supposed Gruden used threats last time to enhance his contract with his media job. who knows. maybe that is the case now, too... maybe it's all bullshit. honestly, the talks are stemming from the lack of official talk...
y'all realize the talk is in despair, right? the sentiment is not a long term solution but something that will do until the long term solution presents itself- and during that period, not sustaining any additional damage. Name recognition alone will draw players and young coaches. The supposition and allure is fairly simple: he'll bring recruits instantly and he'll bring the coach who replaces him, and likely who replaces him in likely less than three years.
for those reasons^, i get the passion surrounding the romance of gruden as a coach.... but there may be a solution available right now that sidesteps all of that. those names are on the list of people pseudo 'close to the program' who have relayed their pursuit.. Patterson, who was jilted prior to the Kiffin hire, who was interested then but not later (prior or Jones hire, likely due to admin at the time which was horrid at that point). Gundy has been mentioned, Stillwater anchor or not, apparently the admin and Gundy have had their altercations... he flat turned UT down in '12. again, because the admin were clowns. Petersen has been mentioned.. I consider these my (as if my opinion matters) 'dream hires'... i've no clue about the likelihood. Fisher was mentioned. Steele, the AD at Auburn was mentioned. The current DC at Bama is apparently shopping, and he's been mentioned. Of course Miles and Kelly have been mentioned, along with Frost.
I like Frost, but he's another 'chance' hire. UT/UF/Nebraska may kick themselves in a few years for looking past him, but in UT's position specifically, the time for 'experiments' is past. I think he'd be a great hire in Lincoln, as a returning red hot star of a son, and they aren't really in that bad of a position and can likely afford the gamble UT certainly can't, and UF likely shouldn't. That leaves Kelly- and who I believe is a far better fit for UF than for UT. Mullen is going to be a sexy hire for an unsexy machine he'd likely build- methodical and lumbering and absolutely capable of carrying the water, but not a draw for hot chics. The guy from SMU and Memphis have been volleyed, as Fuente from VT seems to be a target schools with helmetosity think they can steal from VT... the DC from Clemson is wearing a target for someone... Folks keep talking about Jim Bob Cooter as a possibility for UT, and for other college programs- the thoughts being the OC is ready for a college head job as a stepping stone to later pro HC..
lots of speculation out there... not enough official talk released... which breeds more speculation that get's wilder and wilder as the quiet grows on the other side... it's cult like how quickly these things grow legs and how strongly people believe in their own reasoning- that can't be disproved so long as one side is quiet, or if the target straight up denies it... and even then, folks will point ot Saban leaving the dolphins as cause not to believe even that.
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UNL is already kicking themselves for not hiring Frost.
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Mullen would be a coup IMO.He's done well since Dak left for the Cowboys.Lost with under a minute to Bama last sat.
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UNL is kicking themselves for not hiring ANYONE but Riley
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UNL is kicking themselves for not hiring ANYONE but Riley
I still don't get why he was hired in the first place. That one blows my mind.
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dear husker fans,
i'm terribly sorry UT has managed to steal cleanly from your grasp the dubious distinction on how to eff up a coaching change. truly.
for what it's worth, i'm certain the collective sentiment is that the proper thing to do in recognition of this crime, is to hand it back- if you're willing, that is.
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I still don't get why he was hired in the first place. That one blows my mind.
its obvious, Riley was/is the anti-Pelini
many programs hire an opposite of the fired coach, hoping for a change
the Huskers got change - from 10 wins to 5 wins
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dear husker fans,
i'm terribly sorry UT has managed to steal cleanly from your grasp the dubious distinction on how to eff up a coaching change. truly.
for what it's worth, i'm certain the collective sentiment is that the proper thing to do in recognition of this crime, is to hand it back- if you're willing, that is.
if Moos gets Frost, it won't prove much to me regarding Moos
pretty sure Moos won't go after and sign another guy like Riley - well respected coach in an underdog role in his state, unless it's Matt Cambell in Ames
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If you hire someone named Jim Bob Cooter, you deserve every loss you get.
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I still don't get why he was hired in the first place. That one blows my mind.
King Barry pulled some strings to get that done.
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If you hire someone named Jim Bob Cooter, you deserve every loss you get.
I hope everyone has that mentality and he stays with the Lions a good long time
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I hope everyone has that mentality and he stays with the Lions a good long time
this all day. Jim Bob and Stafford work together really well. My hope is the Lions fire Caldwell to find a head coach that will improve the defense and manage the team and games better, and that the new guy just keeps Jim Bob and leaves Stafford and that offense alone. Running game has been meh but I think the running game will take care of itself if two things happen: they actually stay healthy upfront and they find a real life RB in F/A or the draft. Riddick is a great 3rd down back but he's not an every down between the tackles guy. Neither is Abdullah. Derrius Guice or Nick Chubb in the second round would be pretty nice.
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I hope everyone has that mentality and he stays with the Lions a good long time
I was just joking - I actually remember seeing him on UT's roster back in the 90s - and making fun of it then.
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the Jon Gruden rumors are white hot. Big rumor coming from the UT internets is Gruden has called former coaches/players he's worked with and asked them if they'd join him if he takes the Tennessee job.
They should stop with the Gruden fantasies and go grab Cutcliffe and hire Tee Martin away from USC as the new OC and HC in waiting.
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Stranger things have happened but Grimace to UT defies logic.Gruden would have to have a real chubby for a challenge.All the free time he had would be reduced to recruiting.He has enough coin that some more would hardly be worth the time demands
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Stranger things have happened but Grimace to UT defies logic.Gruden would have to have a real chubby for a challenge.All the free time he had would be reduced to recruiting.He has enough coin that some more would hardly be worth the time demands
I think you have to really like recruiting and view it as competition to be a college coach. Not sure someone like Gruden would like to recruit. It's an extra grind that you don't have to deal with in the NFL, and honestly it's a huge pain in the ass. Begging pimple faced high school kids to pick you over Florida, Alabama, Georgia? He's never really done it before. If he ever came back to coaching, I think it'll be for an NFL gig.
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the Jon Gruden rumors are white hot. Big rumor coming from the UT internets is Gruden has called former coaches/players he's worked with and asked them if they'd join him if he takes the Tennessee job.
They should stop with the Gruden fantasies and go grab Cutcliffe and hire Tee Martin away from USC as the new OC and HC in waiting.
I'm hearing an echo in here. :)
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Gruden made a quote a few months back about how if he coached in college he'd have the school on probation in a matter of weeks or months because of all the rules.
That right there would scare me out of even talking to him. Hell, he should have been slapped with a "show cause" then and there.
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Gruden made a quote a few months back about how if he coached in college he'd have the school on probation in a matter of weeks or months because of all the rules.
That right there would scare me out of even talking to him. Hell, he should have been slapped with a "show cause" then and there.
He probably sees recruiting as a big pain in the ass and a bunch of non-sense. can't say I blame him. A lot of the rules are just stupid.
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IMO rules would be the least of the obstacles.The constant & chronic pandering/pampering until signing day would blow his circuit board
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Lane Kiffin on Twitter without Papa Saban over his shoulder is fantastic
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rumors circling out there that Gruden might be an option for.......the Oakland Raiders and Tampa Bay Bucs according to Pro Football Talk. Crazy talk IMO. He's not going back to either team. Honestly, I'm 100% convinced these media guys don't know jack shit and all they are getting fed is BS by Gruden's agent to leak stuff to make him more money from ESPN or get him the highest dollar amount possible if he were to come back to coaching. It's ridiculous how every time jobs come open he's rumored to fill every single one of them....and he winds up taking none of them.
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