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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Cincydawg on February 24, 2020, 02:51:53 PM
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YOU are a top HS athlete at your position and have offers from nearly every major program out there. Where would you go, presuming you have zero allegiance to any program due to location or heritage.
Running Back
Quarter Back
WR
OL
DL
LB
DB/Safety
Bear in mind if you go to say Clemson you COULD be sitting for a year, or two, playing ST. If you go to say NW, you likely start out of the gate. Presume your academics are decent but not top tier and you want to play on Sunday.
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ALL BUSINESS
Running Back - Wisconsin
Quarter Back - Clemson
WR - Ohio St.
OL - Wisconsin
DL - Ohio St.
LB - Wisconsin
DB/Safety - Ohio St.
ALL PLAYBOY
Running Back - USC
Quarter Back - USC
WR - USC
OL - USC
DL - USC
LB - USC
DB/Safety - USC
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I'm not going to dig in position by position, but there would be several big factors that I'd be considering:
- It would obviously be a P5 program for exposure. Sure, I might be able to go to a G5 program and be a day 1 starter and 3-year star, but would I get the recognition that would propel me to a career on Sundays? Particularly if I'm trying to get there in 3 years?
- Coaching stability. This cuts multiple ways. The coach has to be successful enough at the program that I'm not concerned he's going to get canned. He has to be young enough that I'm not worried he's going to retire on my watch. And it has to be a decent enough program and situation for that coach that I'm not worried he'll get poached by a bigger program while I'm there.
- Obviously the offensive or defensive system, and its ability to not only utilize, but to feature, my skill set is important. If I'm an RB, I'm not going to Purdue. If I'm a WR, I'm not going to Wisconsin.
- I'll look obviously at the coaching staff's history of developing players.
- I'm a pragmatist, so I'd value playing time over a bigger program. I want to be utilized as a star, not putting in all the work but still riding pine for 2-3 years before getting a shot. If I want to be in the NFL after 3 years, a redshirt and not seeing significant PT until year 4 or 5 doesn't help me.
- That said, a big program isn't a deterrent IF I look at their roster and believe that they have need at my position due to their roster situation. If I see that there will be significant playing time openings when certain lock-down starters graduate, and maybe that's when I'm a sophomore, I'd take a bigger program for the chance to win more games and get a lot more exposure. The advantage to a bigger program is that I'm surrounded by better players so it's a lot easier for me to look successful if I'm not "carrying" my team.
In the Big Ten, schools like Iowa and Wisconsin fit the bill. Good enough programs that you'll get exposure, stable coaching situations, a history of developing players, but not so loaded with talent [like OSU, Alabama, etc] that you're unlikely to see significant playing time.
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We did this a few years ago, and somehow I landed on Colorado. I set the parameters first, and was sort of surprised that's where I wound up.
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I would sign up for the five year paid vacation to Hawaii.
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ALL BUSINESS
- Running Back - Wisconsin
- Quarter Back - Clemson
- WR - Ohio St.
- OL - Wisconsin
- DL - Ohio St.
- LB - Wisconsin
- DB/Safety - Ohio St.
- Agree with you there. You can do RBBC so you can get featured as the second or third back as an underclassman and still get PT.
- Disagree. One problem with these schools that bring in an elite 5* QB every year is that only one will see the field. I'd only consider a school like Clemson if you're timing it such that you're coming in when a guy like Trevor Lawrence is right about to leave, i.e. a true freshman when he goes to the NFL or at worst one season before he'll go to the NFL so you get a year in the system and a leg up on the 5* behind you. I'd be more likely to go to the coach that can feature me the best (Leach, Brohm, etc), and hopefully at least have an OL that can keep me upright and give me time to throw (rules out Brohm for the time being lol).
- Again disagree. WR is by definition a "by committee" kind of position, but it's also harder to get featured at a place like OSU. Again I fall back on Purdue here because it's the school I know best, but Rondale Moore would NOT have likely been a Freshman All-American at OSU. David Bell wouldn't win Big Ten Freshman of the Year at OSU. They'd have been lucky to see the field enough. (As an aside, if Moore hadn't been injured I'm not sure Bell would have been Freshman of the Year, because Moore would have siphoned away some of his stats.)
- Agree. Wisconsin is an OL school, and they run the type of system that will get you looked at on Sunday.
I'm not as sure on defensive positions, but again I would say that it's much harder to "stand out" and get much playing time at a school like OSU, but not the case at a school like Wisconsin. You're not going to get drafted after 3 years in the program if you've only seen the field on special teams and in garbage time... [/list]
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The ACC for a while put a lot of guys into the NFL without being a great league. I might turn to some ACC teams, like UNC and UVA for some of these positions. FSU seems like it's in turmoil right now.
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- Agree with you there. You can do RBBC so you can get featured as the second or third back as an underclassman and still get PT.
- Disagree. One problem with these schools that bring in an elite 5* QB every year is that only one will see the field. I'd only consider a school like Clemson if you're timing it such that you're coming in when a guy like Trevor Lawrence is right about to leave, i.e. a true freshman when he goes to the NFL or at worst one season before he'll go to the NFL so you get a year in the system and a leg up on the 5* behind you. I'd be more likely to go to the coach that can feature me the best (Leach, Brohm, etc), and hopefully at least have an OL that can keep me upright and give me time to throw (rules out Brohm for the time being lol).
- Again disagree. WR is by definition a "by committee" kind of position, but it's also harder to get featured at a place like OSU. Again I fall back on Purdue here because it's the school I know best, but Rondale Moore would NOT have likely been a Freshman All-American at OSU. David Bell wouldn't win Big Ten Freshman of the Year at OSU. They'd have been lucky to see the field enough. (As an aside, if Moore hadn't been injured I'm not sure Bell would have been Freshman of the Year, because Moore would have siphoned away some of his stats.)
- Agree. Wisconsin is an OL school, and they run the type of system that will get you looked at on Sunday.
I'm not as sure on defensive positions, but again I would say that it's much harder to "stand out" and get much playing time at a school like OSU, but not the case at a school like Wisconsin. You're not going to get drafted after 3 years in the program if you've only seen the field on special teams and in garbage time... [/list]
my thought on QB at Clemson is that the past QBs there have had great success and get a walk through the weak ACC. The Oline seems to be able to handle those defenses, plenty of top talent at WR as well. I agree about the timing of the outgoing 5 star and the incoming 5 star behind me.
My thought on WR at tOSU is that they put most WRs in the NFL. They will have a good to great QB to get the ball out.
Purdue is currently showcasing two stud WRs, but betting that the QB will always be there and the Oline will be there for the overall offense is risky. Also, Brohm is always rumored as moving on.
tOSU will reload at the head and assistant coach - well, they have for decades
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I think I mostly agree with @bwarbiany (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=19) with a couple of changes.
At a position where there is generally ONE featured guy and everybody else gets limited substitution and garbage time minutes my decision would be mostly based on the rosters at the schools I was considering. Ie, if I were a QB or RB my decision would be all about roster.
If I were at a position where more than one guy sees the field like (basically anything other than QB, RB or a specialist P/K) then my decision would mostly be based on which schools I thought had the best coaches to develop my abilities.
I figure it this way:
I could be the second best QB or second best RB in the nation but if I'm only the second best QB or RB on my team then I'm still not going to get a lot of PT. At WR or DB or OL or DL there are multiple guys on the field every down so if I'm really THAT good then I'll get a chance to show it on the field no matter how good the other guys on my team's roster are.
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Obviously, offensive scheme is also a factor. Defensively, probably not really much of a consideration. On the other hand, a top QB might go to a program like UGA because even in a running dominated offense you will have plenty of shots, and your shots might be more open. And perhaps an RB could go to a pass happy offense knowing he will get fewer plays but might break them when he does while saving his legs.
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I'd want a good football/academic combo. UM, USC, Texas, Florida, Georgia, Wisconsin, PSU, etc. Any of them, for any position.
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I meant to rule out academics as a main factor. Personally, I'd go to Stanford if that were a factor, maybe Duke, but this person is wanting to make the NFL in 3 years and probably would take the minimum coursework to stay eligible.
It would be interesting to try and rank programs over the past say ten years on a 50-50 combination of academics and football results. Clemson is not awful academically, and Alabama is half decent. Ohio State might win that challenge.
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Idk, if you're going to a college, even to play football, I can't understand academics mattering 0%. You have to go to class, might as well be good classes.
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Buckeyes don't go to Columbus to play "school"
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I could be the second best QB or second best RB in the nation but if I'm only the second best QB or RB on my team then I'm still not going to get a lot of PT. At WR or DB or OL or DL there are multiple guys on the field every down so if I'm really THAT good then I'll get a chance to show it on the field no matter how good the other guys on my team's roster are.
But that's a conceited high schooler's way to think about it... Because there's talent, and there's physical development/maturity, and there's experience.
If you're a 5* coming into a school where you're surrounded by other 5* players at your position, you have the talent but you don't have the physical development or the experience. So if talent is equal, you're still behind them.
Now, that situation won't last forever. You might get on the field eventually as the guys older than you move on. But you're going to have a tough time coming in as a freshman and competing for PT against guys equally talented but who have the other aspects.
George Karlaftis (#59 nationally according to 247) was the top recruit at Purdue in 2019 as a high 4*. He would have been the 4th-best recruit at OSU, and 2nd-best at his own position (DE). On top of the fact that he already had Chase Young there, the other DE (Zach Harrison) was the 12-best recruit in the country. He wouldn't have seen the field IMHO. At Purdue, he led the team in sacks, TFL, and was 3rd in tackles/game.
David Bell (#113 nationally) was the 2nd-highest ranked recruit at Purdue in 2019. He would actually have been the 5th-best recruit at OSU, but only the 3rd-best at his own position (WR). Ahead of him were Garrett Wilson (#20 nationally, 2.1 rec/game) and Jameson Williams (#82 nationally, 0.5 rec/game). Bell led Purdue in rec/game (7.2), amassed over 1000 receiving yards, and won Big Ten Freshman of the Year.
It's one thing to go into a competitive atmosphere and believe you're got a chance to compete for PT against the best in the country. It's another to know that you can walk on a team and as long as you put the work in, you're going to be a superstar for that team.
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I'd want a good football/academic combo. UM, USC, Texas, Florida, Georgia, Wisconsin, PSU, etc. Any of them, for any position.
Washington for me.
Of the schools you list, only Georgia is not AAU. I think they will gain membership soon.
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Georgia doesn't have a large graduate program, so they won't be AAU any time soon, I suspect. They are pretty good now undergrad, but not grad with some exceptions.
The medical school is separate and they lack engineering. I don't think they even want AAU membership, I've seen nothing about it.
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I agree with looking at the roster and current recruiting class first but with all things being equal...
Running Back - Wisconsin
Quarter Back - Oklahoma
WR - Purdue
OL - Homer in me has to say Iowa which was once referred to as OLine U
DL - tOSU
LB - Wisconsin
DB/Safety - A non-pass heavy conference since there will be too many chances to look like a fool. Probably tOSU
In reality tho, probably somewhere in the SEC since they pay more.
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I agree with looking at the roster and current recruiting class first but with all things being equal...
this is the assumption I made
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QB - UNC
RB - Duke
WR - Miss State
OL - Wisconsin
DL - South Carolina
LB - Oregon
DB - Washington State
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Miss state?? in Starkville???
Really?
my brother was a prof there back when Jackie Sherrill was in town
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Yeah, might not be a good notion with that one.
Was thinking of what Leach might do there.
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if he wants to be successful, he'll cheat like Jackie!
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if he wants to be successful, he'll cheat like Jackie!
Will he castrate an animal?
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I wouldn't put anything past the Pirate
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The Egg Bowl may make a few omelets this season.
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Big 12 defense may come to the Egg Bowl
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The term "Big 12 defense" is an oxymoron, no?
But realistically, how good would most defenses look in the B12?
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obviously things have changed drastically since 2009 and 2010, but in Pelini's last 2 seasons in the Big 12 ......
2009 defensive ranks
rushing #9
pass efficiency #9
total defense #7
scoring defense #1
2010 defensive ranks
rushing #63
pass efficiency #3
total defense #11
scoring defense #9
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YOU are a top HS athlete at your position and have offers from nearly every major program out there. Where would you go, presuming you have zero allegiance to any program due to location or heritage.
I object. Your premise in Sentence 1 assumes facts not in evidence.
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True. I wonder who was the best athlete among our group here. At one time, I think we had some guys who played Div II or something.
I might have been able to play bball at that level back in the day had I not hurt my ankle as a senior, but back then, Div 2 bball was like glorified HS. I figure it was a good think I did blow out the ankle because it meant I didn't make college decisions based on athletics. Instead, I went where the most pretty girls were.
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hah, I'm a terrible athlete. Always have been. That's why I enjoy golf.
I went to college where they had the best football program within driving distance of home
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I was pretty good in HS at both bballs. I was supposed to be the ace in my junior year in baseball, but the first game I tried to gun everything and I wasn't ready and the shoulder fell apart. It's in bad shape today, I'm thinking about surgery but am trying PT. I can feel stuff grinding inside the joint with certain movements.
One of those movements is throwing a baseball though I discovered an arm angle at camp that doesn't hurt, it's above sidearm and well below 3/4ers. It's a strange arm angle I never used which is probably why it's there. I was coMVP in basketball despite missing almost half the season. The other MVP started all four years in college Div 1. He was really good.
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True. I wonder who was the best athlete among our group here. At one time, I think we had some guys who played Div II or something.
I might have been able to play bball at that level back in the day had I not hurt my ankle as a senior, but back then, Div 2 bball was like glorified HS. I figure it was a good think I did blow out the ankle because it meant I didn't make college decisions based on athletics. Instead, I went where the most pretty girls were.
i had "offers" to play cfb at some small local schools. one was dii (got fb scholly offer for long snapping), one diii (got academic offer and invited to play fb at cb/s). i didn't go to either.
pretty sure there's some that played on here though. can't remember who.
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I was never an amazing athlete, and I think some of it was a lack of applying myself. I did make 2nd degree black belt during my high school years, and I enjoyed playing volleyball. I had enough of a vertical that I could just barely dunk a volleyball, since my hand was big enough to palm it one-handed, but couldn't do a basketball because I couldn't jump high enough "two-handed".
But I've always said if I'd actually applied myself in football, I have the right frame to play line. Leaving high school I was 6'5" and 225#, without doing ANY weight training, and that was all lean muscle because of the amount of time I was spending doing martial arts. Even now I'm running about 265# without looking "fat", although my body fat percentage is well above where I'd actually like it.
If I had been applying myself in the weight room, I easily could have carried 300# of muscle, and that in itself might have gotten me a look or two at small schools.