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Title: Flea-Flicker changed?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 20, 2020, 09:50:52 PM
I'm researching the '74 NC Sooners and came across a video clip.  This is noteworthy, as the '74 Sooners won the NC despite being on probation and had zero TV appearances.
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Anyway, the clip is OU vs Nebraska, where UNL takes the lead on what the announcers call a "flea flicker" multiple times.  Except it's no flea-flicker I've ever seen.
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The QB takes the snap and pitches the ball out on a toss sweep.  The RB then throws back across the field to the QB and he runs it in for a TD.  Much like Crouch did vs OU in 2000, I believe.
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Isn't a flea-flicker where the RB takes the ball, then laterals back to the QB, who then throws a pass downfield?
If the definition of a flea-flicker changed, when did it change?  Am I wrong here?
Title: Re: Flea-Flicker changed?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 20, 2020, 09:51:13 PM
Clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iimhrVyGz-c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iimhrVyGz-c)
Title: Re: Flea-Flicker changed?
Post by: Cincydawg on February 21, 2020, 05:16:52 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flea_flicker (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flea_flicker)

wiki has a broader definition.

flea flicker is an unorthodox play, often called a "trick play (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trick_play)", in American football (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_football) which is designed to fool the defensive team (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_team) into thinking that a play is a run instead of a pass.[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flea_flicker#cite_note-1) It can be considered an extreme variant of the play action pass (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Play_action_pass) and an extension of the halfback option play (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halfback_option_play).
Title: Re: Flea-Flicker changed?
Post by: Cincydawg on February 21, 2020, 01:48:31 PM
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/9/10/16284302/reverse-flea-flicker-intentional-grounding-ncaa-2017 (https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/9/10/16284302/reverse-flea-flicker-intentional-grounding-ncaa-2017)

Huh, in a flea flicker, the QB can be called for intentional grounding even if he is outside the tackle box and throws it past the LOS.

Huh.
Title: Re: Flea-Flicker changed?
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 21, 2020, 01:57:59 PM
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/9/10/16284302/reverse-flea-flicker-intentional-grounding-ncaa-2017 (https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/9/10/16284302/reverse-flea-flicker-intentional-grounding-ncaa-2017)

Huh, in a flea flicker, the QB can be called for intentional grounding even if he is outside the tackle box and throws it past the LOS.

Huh.
Likewise I was like "huh?" so I had to click and read through...

Makes perfect sense when you realize that the goal is to avoid a player, who perhaps fumbled, or a WR on a reverse who knows he's stuffed for a deep loss, or something like that from just chucking the ball out of bounds to avoid the loss. 
Title: Re: Flea-Flicker changed?
Post by: Cincydawg on February 21, 2020, 02:59:33 PM
I wonder how many rules are in the book that are equally obscure and unknown to us.  Your explanation of the rationale sounds correct.

I recall teaching my son the balk rules way back only to learn the umpires at his level didn't know them.
Title: Re: Flea-Flicker changed?
Post by: FearlessF on February 21, 2020, 09:34:11 PM
QB Dave Humm the lefty

Doc Tom was pretty good with the trick plays in big games
Title: Re: Flea-Flicker changed?
Post by: Cincydawg on February 23, 2020, 08:52:43 AM
It would be funny if some announcer started calling a play action pass a "flea flicker"....  and stupid as well, same with the halfback option.

I'm sure none of us would think of either that way, but they are by the broadest definition.  

What about a play where the QB tosses to a WR coming around who then throws a lateral back to the QB, or throws downfield to a QB?  Made to look like a running play but isn't, not a FF to me at all.  I'll stick with the narrow definition.

On a separate topic, I asked a former ATL Falcon how many words would be used in a typical play called in a huddle and he said about 6 or 7, real quick, he gave me a few examples.  And he said it was work to learn a new playbook when you changed teams or OCs, but they practice so much it comes to them and they learn to listen for the key words that apply to them.  This was Brian Finneran who played at Villanova.  
Title: Re: Flea-Flicker changed?
Post by: Roaddawg on February 24, 2020, 03:19:17 PM
I wonder how many rules are in the book that are equally obscure and unknown to us.  Your explanation of the rationale sounds correct.

I recall teaching my son the balk rules way back only to learn the umpires at his level didn't know them.
Ask Bill Belichick, he seems to know a the rule very well.   :)
Title: Re: Flea-Flicker changed?
Post by: CWSooner on March 02, 2020, 09:36:21 PM
OU won that game, of course (28-14), despite the "flea-flicker" (or not) play.  I think it was SI that called that Sooner squad "the best team you never saw" or something like that.  That was a significantly better team than the '75 NC Sooners.

Man, those OU-Nebraska games of the '70s and '80s were really something.

And the Nebraska play-by-play guy was a real hoot.  "Holy moly!"  "Untouched by human hands!"  "Man, woman and child!"
Title: Re: Flea-Flicker changed?
Post by: FearlessF on March 03, 2020, 11:07:00 AM
the good old daze!

battle of the Big Reds
Title: Re: Flea-Flicker changed?
Post by: CWSooner on March 04, 2020, 12:48:17 PM
Sooner fans don't call OU Big Red anymore.  I don't know why.  I went off and spent 20 years in the Army, and when I came back, "Go, Big Red!" was no longer something Sooner fans shouted.
Title: Re: Flea-Flicker changed?
Post by: FearlessF on March 04, 2020, 01:24:10 PM
I know, sad

oh well

only one Big Red

and no, it's not the Badgers.  I've been to their stadium more than a few times.  They reference themselves more as Red, or Bucky
Title: Re: Flea-Flicker changed?
Post by: CWSooner on March 08, 2020, 04:05:34 PM
All good things come to an end.
Title: Re: Flea-Flicker changed?
Post by: FearlessF on April 02, 2020, 09:26:03 PM

Fakin' the field goal (1977)

Before a thunderous crowd of 75,899 at Memorial Stadium, the Huskers handed Alabama its lone loss of the season on Sept. 17, 1977. Trailing 7-3 in the first quarter, the Huskers turned the tide by refusing to settle for another field goal, instead opting for a fake field goal that worked to perfection.

https://journalstar.com/sports/huskers/football/happy-april-fools-day-a-look-at-notable-husker-trick-plays/article_f2f938dd-fbff-5bc9-9cdf-d724070e23a8.html (https://journalstar.com/sports/huskers/football/happy-april-fools-day-a-look-at-notable-husker-trick-plays/article_f2f938dd-fbff-5bc9-9cdf-d724070e23a8.html)

In a game that will long be remembered for Nebraska's "Bummeroosky" play, the Huskers defeated Missouri 30-7 before a national ABC-TV audience.

Nebraska took a 10-0 lead in the first quarter, on a Mike Coyle field goal and a Vince Ferragamo to Brad Jenkins pass, before Missouri pulled to within three, at 10-7, with 6:34 left in the first half.

Then, with 1:46 left in the second quarter, Husker coach Tom Osborne called for the "Bummeroosky," which crossed up the Tigers, the TV cameras and 68,000 fans. With Nebraska in punt formation, the ball was snapped to blocker Tony Davis, who pushed the ball from behind through John O'Leary's legs, then turned and faked to Monte Anthony coming around right. All the Huskers, including the punter, tore off to the right as if it were a fake kick reverse, while O'Leary remained stationary with the ball hidden. Then, when 11 Missouri players took off with the Husker flow to the right, O'Leary went to his left and ran 40 yards to score without a Tiger being the wiser until it was too late.


John O'Leary "Bummeroosky" TD - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-rhsgBukPw&feature=emb_logo)

VIDEO: 1981 NEBRASKA VS. OKLAHOMA FOOTBALL, THE BOUNCEROOSKIE

Bouncerooksy 1982 Nebraska vs Oklahoma football - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=15&v=hBTWzMY3Uig&feature=emb_logo)