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Title: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: ELA on January 24, 2020, 01:40:25 PM
Now the non-helmet question
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: utee94 on January 24, 2020, 01:59:51 PM
Wisconsin, again.  Go Badgers!
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 24, 2020, 02:03:47 PM
I think the two vote-getters so far are obvious... 

But I think Wisconsin has it easier. They could get there completely missing OSU, if they don't have OSU as a crossover and UM or PSU beats OSU, and then they just have to get by one of those two teams in the CCG. 

Florida is in a tougher conference, and I think that whatever team comes out of the West into the CCG is likely to be favored over Florida in a CCG and a harder team to beat. 

That said... I think Florida has a talent advantage on Wisconsin, and if they made it to the CFP, would have better odds at winning the NC than Wisconsin would in that same situation. 
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 24, 2020, 02:04:32 PM
P5 field
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Post by: 847badgerfan on January 24, 2020, 02:12:42 PM
Quote from: bwarbiany on January 24, 2020, 02:03:47 PM
I think the two vote-getters so far are obvious...

But I think Wisconsin has it easier. They could get there completely missing OSU, if they don't have OSU as a crossover and UM or PSU beats OSU, and then they just have to get by one of those two teams in the CCG.

Florida is in a tougher conference, and I think that whatever team comes out of the West into the CCG is likely to be favored over Florida in a CCG and a harder team to beat.

That said... I think Florida has a talent advantage on Wisconsin, and if they made it to the CFP, would have better odds at winning the NC than Wisconsin would in that same situation.
When Michigan comes off as UW's 6 year crossover, OSU comes on as the new 6 year crossover.

I went with Florida. All the ingredients are there.
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 24, 2020, 02:27:32 PM
Quote from: 847badgerfan on January 24, 2020, 02:12:42 PM
I went with Florida. All the ingredients are there.
Yeah, but you're a notorious sandbagger, Badge :57:
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 24, 2020, 02:33:12 PM
For UW to even have a chance, they have to win in Indy. They have yet to do that since the divisions switched. They came super-close in 2017, when all the stars aligned. But, they still couldn't get it done.
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 24, 2020, 02:59:38 PM
So you are predicting that the Wolverines will never win da East?
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Post by: FearlessF on January 24, 2020, 03:05:02 PM
I went with Auburn

they've shown they can go toe to toe with the SEC powers and win
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Post by: fezzador on January 24, 2020, 03:20:55 PM
Feel free to laugh, but I'm going with K-State.  I like what Chris Klieman is doing in Manhattan.  Defense is real, and if they keep thumping OU like that, the B12 could be there for the taking in the next couple of years.
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Post by: medinabuckeye1 on January 24, 2020, 03:26:56 PM
I went with Florida.  As someone upthread said, all the ingredients are there.  They have three NC's in the last 25 years and they can do it again.  
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: fezzador on January 24, 2020, 03:32:57 PM
Florida has one of the toughest paths to make it though.  UF has some advantages that even a lot of SEC schools lack, but UGA isn't going anywhere, Carolina and Kentucky are landmines, and of course there's the annual brawl with LSU and any other SECW heavyweight they might draw in the regular season (or if they're fortunate enough to win the East, face in the SECCG).
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on January 24, 2020, 04:05:59 PM
Quote from: fezzador on January 24, 2020, 03:32:57 PM
Florida has one of the toughest paths to make it though.  UF has some advantages that even a lot of SEC schools lack, but UGA isn't going anywhere, Carolina and Kentucky are landmines, and of course there's the annual brawl with LSU and any other SECW heavyweight they might draw in the regular season (or if they're fortunate enough to win the East, face in the SECCG).
That is all true, but Florida has some advantages from that as well.  For starters, if they win the SEC they are almost certainly in.  Stanford, TCU, aTm, or Wisconsin might miss the CFP at 12-1 but Florida would almost certainly get in.  They also could sneak in at 11-1 if a loss (say to UGA) kept them out of the SECCG.  
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 24, 2020, 08:37:45 PM
Florida, especially while FSU is down.  It makes the end of the year tolerable.  
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Post by: CWSooner on January 24, 2020, 09:35:31 PM
Auburn because there's the unwritten rule that a minimum of one slot per year must go to an SEC team and because Nick Saban figures to retire before Kirby Smart (blocking Florida) does.
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: FearlessF on January 24, 2020, 09:38:07 PM
and many times 2 slots
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 24, 2020, 10:05:16 PM
Quote from: CWSooner on January 24, 2020, 09:35:31 PM
Auburn because there's the unwritten rule that a minimum of one slot per year must go to an SEC team and because Nick Saban figures to retire before Kirby Smart (blocking Florida) does.
Ehh, we lost to UGA by 7 this year.  It's not like there's a big disparity there....
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Post by: Hawkinole on January 25, 2020, 01:00:35 AM
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on January 24, 2020, 08:37:45 PM
Florida, especially while FSU is down.  It makes the end of the year tolerable. 
This is 2020. Language skills are important so you must parse. FSU was down is more correct.
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: Cincydawg on January 25, 2020, 08:21:58 AM
Florida could be good again next year.  They need a top tier QB, and may be close.  No reason they can't beat UGA obviously.  LSU is at home this year.  
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Post by: Entropy on January 25, 2020, 07:43:50 PM
I voted Florida so I could jinx them.  =)
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Post by: MrNubbz on January 26, 2020, 05:30:27 PM
Hope the Badgers but voted Gators.Helmet is a bygone theory.They could come screamin' back IMO Dan Mullen is that guy - kinda hope not
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: RestingB!tchFace on January 27, 2020, 11:47:33 AM
Florida.  They have built in advantages that other teams do not.  Auburn could certainly make a case.  No Texas or USC?
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: utee94 on January 27, 2020, 12:11:08 PM
Quote from: RestingB!tchFace on January 27, 2020, 11:47:33 AM
Florida.  They have built in advantages that other teams do not.  Auburn could certainly make a case.  No Texas or USC?
Texas and USC are helmet schools, so they're in the "which helmet" thread.
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: RestingB!tchFace on January 27, 2020, 12:15:56 PM
Quote from: utee94 on January 27, 2020, 12:11:08 PM
Texas and USC are helmet schools, so they're in the "which helmet" thread.

Good point.  But wouldn't Florida be considered a "helmet" school?  Miami has struggled a lot recently...but I'd argue that they'd be considered a helmet school as well.
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: utee94 on January 27, 2020, 12:18:42 PM
Quote from: RestingB!tchFace on January 27, 2020, 12:15:56 PM
Good point.  But wouldn't Florida be considered a "helmet" school?  Miami has struggled a lot recently...but I'd argue that they'd be considered a helmet school as well.

The definition of a "helmet school" is discussed pretty regularly around here, probably even a thread on the front page of this forum if I looked down far enough.  Regardless, the original poster decided on which schools he'd define as helmets and Florida and Miami aren't included.
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: RestingB!tchFace on January 27, 2020, 12:21:03 PM
Quote from: utee94 on January 27, 2020, 12:18:42 PM
The definition of a "helmet school" is discussed pretty regularly around here, probably even a thread on the front page of this forum if I looked down far enough.  Regardless, the original poster decided on which schools he'd define as helmets and Florida and Miami aren't included.

Fair enough.
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 27, 2020, 03:39:31 PM
None of the big 3 Florida schools are helmets.
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: FearlessF on January 27, 2020, 03:57:23 PM
FSU was getting close

but, then the bottom fell out
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 27, 2020, 04:23:14 PM
How da Hell is Texas a helmet if the Florida trio isn't? They had a few good seasons in the 60s and 70s, Vince Young, and not much else.
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: ELA on January 27, 2020, 06:42:31 PM
...and this is what I wanted this to not turn into
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 27, 2020, 06:44:26 PM
There's the overall wins and win% leads.  But more than that, it's really the fact that Texas had seasons of zero or one loss spread out over the decades.  From the teens to the 30s, a lot in the 40s, great in the early 60s, NC in '69, strong again in the 70s and early 80s, then again in the oughts.
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Florida had jack squat until Spurrier, really.  '69 was a strong year, QB Spurrier's '66, and the mid-80s (when we cheated)...but Florida didn't really win anything important.
Same with Miami and FSU.  The Canes were ranked here and there for a couple of consecutive years a few times over the decades, but no sustained success.  No decades of truly mattering.  FSU might have well not existed pre-1977. 
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Then you get the Noles going on the road, taking all comers.  Then the Miami NC.  Then FSU finishing in the top 5 every year AND more Miami NCs.  Then Florida winning NCs 3x in 12 years. 
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The big 3 in FL packed 80 years of greatness into about 30 years (11 NCs in 30 yrs) altogether.  And while Texas was going 9-1 off and on since 1910, the big 3 in FL were busy going 5-5 or 3-8 or 7-4...or not existing yet.
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 27, 2020, 06:45:05 PM
Quote from: ELA on January 27, 2020, 06:42:31 PM
...and this is what I wanted this to not turn into
We can discuss this, it'll be okay.  :57:
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: ELA on January 27, 2020, 07:53:09 PM
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on January 27, 2020, 06:45:05 PM
We can discuss this, it'll be okay.  :57:
That's fine.  But it's a 100% different question, that we don't need to rehash
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 27, 2020, 08:02:15 PM
My bad. Just wondering.
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 27, 2020, 08:05:35 PM
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on January 27, 2020, 08:02:15 PM
My bad. Just wondering.
How did you find my reply?
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 27, 2020, 10:25:14 PM
Well done.
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Post by: Cincydawg on January 28, 2020, 04:43:29 AM
Florida will be interesting next year.  UNC may be fun to watch.  Where did Purdue go?

I suppose every year a group of lesser teams excel, but it may not be a trend.

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Post by: FearlessF on January 28, 2020, 09:26:03 AM
Purdue could be the 10 win wonder from the West as the Gophers were this season

were  did Northwestern go last season?
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 28, 2020, 10:14:25 AM
Was Purdue actually good? Or did they just have their usual good game vs the Buckeyes, and squeak into a bowl game?
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: ELA on January 28, 2020, 10:19:06 AM
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on January 28, 2020, 10:14:25 AM
Was Purdue actually good? Or did they just have their usual good game vs the Buckeyes, and squeak into a bowl game?
Rocky Lomardi career stats

vs. Purdue in 2018: 26-46 (56.5%), 318 yds (6.91 ypa), 2 TD, 0 INT
vs. everyone else: 49-129 (38.0%), 494 yds, (3.83 ypa) 1 TD, 5 INT
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: FearlessF on January 28, 2020, 11:12:47 AM
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on January 28, 2020, 10:14:25 AM
Was Purdue actually good? Or did they just have their usual good game vs the Buckeyes, and squeak into a bowl game?
they beat Boston College, Ohio St. and Iowa.  All ranked teams at the time.
Also took the Badgers to triple OT
finished 5-4 in conference

I'd say they were good
lost to Northwestern by 4, Eastern Michigan by 1, and Mizzou by 3 early in the season
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 28, 2020, 11:34:00 AM
I mean they were competitive. No argument there. But it's not as though they were on the doorstep of the CFB Playoffs.

Wisconsin and Penn St have been on the doorstep. But the Boilers? I dunno.
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Post by: FearlessF on January 28, 2020, 11:37:02 AM
the Gophers were close to the doorstep, not on it.

Purdue could be that next season with a little luck
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 28, 2020, 11:53:45 AM
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on January 28, 2020, 10:14:25 AM
Was Purdue actually good? Or did they just have their usual good game vs the Buckeyes, and squeak into a bowl game?
No. At least not for the purposes of this discussion (making CFP debut). 

I think the coaching is there, but Purdue's talent level isn't even remotely in the league of anyone that would make the CFP. It's not even Minnesota level. Which means Purdue would have to *wildly* overachieve just to make the CCG, and would likely be a significant underdog. 

Purdue's 7-6 (2017) and 6-7 (2018) seasons were basically makeshift units held together with smoke, mirrors, and baling wire. 2019 had the smoke and mirrors, but the baling wire failed (injuries derailed the season). 

I think there's a bright future ahead, because recruiting has been outstanding [by West Lafayette standards], and those players in 2020 and 2021 will finally start to have matured and had the time in the S&C program to start contributing. 

But Purdue absolutely shouldn't be on the list of choices for this vote. They'd get zero. I'm a homer and I wouldn't even vote for them out of just blind hope. They belong in "P5 field". 
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: FearlessF on January 28, 2020, 12:58:52 PM
well, no one is voting the Gophers either, obviously

wouldn't that be something - rowing the boat in the playoff
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Post by: RestingB!tchFace on January 28, 2020, 01:36:08 PM
Quote from: FearlessF on January 28, 2020, 12:58:52 PM
well, no one is voting the Gophers either, obviously

wouldn't that be something - rowing the boat in the playoff

They'd need quite a bit more sustained success.  Obviously the Penn State and Auburn wins showed flashes that the Gophers could play with top level teams...but they also had a few clunkers.
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Post by: FearlessF on January 28, 2020, 02:49:48 PM
well, competing well in the 4-team playoff and making a CFP debut are different

it would have taken a helluv an upset of the Buckeyes for the Gophers to debut, but the lost @Iowa I wouldn't consider a clunker.

more total yards, time of possession and more first downs and losing by 4.

even the lopsided loss to the Badgers was a game late in the 3rd.  more time of possession, more first downs, 372 yards of offense and held Taylor to 76 yards rushing

they were pretty close, not there, but if they take another step forward next season....... it might be the bit more
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: ELA on January 28, 2020, 03:09:46 PM
What is on the doorstep?  Top 8?  Last time each school was that close with 3 or fewer games left?  I'd say Minnesota qualifies.  Teams in bold actually finished the regular season top 4, and either made the CFP, or would have had it existed

Ohio State - December 9, 2019
Wisconsin - December 1, 2019
Penn State - November 17, 2019
Minnesota - November 10, 2019
Michigan - December 2, 2018
Iowa & Michigan State - December 6, 2015
Rutgers - November 12, 2006
Illinois, Maryland & Nebraska - December 2, 2001
Northwestern - December 3, 1995
Purdue - November 3, 1968
Indiana - November 26, 1967
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: ELA on January 28, 2020, 03:56:13 PM
Quote from: ELA on January 28, 2020, 03:09:46 PM
What is on the doorstep?  Top 8?  Last time each school was that close with 3 or fewer games left?  I'd say Minnesota qualifies.  Teams in bold actually finished the regular season top 4, and either made the CFP, or would have had it existed

Ohio State - December 9, 2019
Wisconsin - December 1, 2019
Penn State - November 17, 2019
Minnesota - November 10, 2019
Michigan - December 2, 2018
Iowa & Michigan State - December 6, 2015
Rutgers - November 12, 2006
Illinois, Maryland & Nebraska - December 2, 2001
Northwestern - December 3, 1995
Purdue - November 3, 1968
Indiana - November 26, 1967
Which also raises the question, and not getting into selection procedures.  What years would the teams had made the playoffs, going back to the first AP Poll in 1936

Ohio State (24) - 2019, 2016, 2014, 2012, 2007, 2006, 2005, 2002, 1998, 1996, 1995, 1979, 1975, 1974, 1973, 1972, 1970, 1969, 1968, 1961, 1957, 1954, 1944, 1942
Michigan (15) - 2006, 2003, 1997, 1991, 1989, 1986, 1977, 1976, 1974, 1971, 1964, 1948, 1947, 1943, 1940
Nebraska (13) - 2001, 1999, 1997, 1995, 1994, 1993, 1984, 1983, 1982, 1981, 1971, 1970, 1965
Michigan State (9) - 2015, 2013, 1966, 1965, 1957, 1955, 1953, 1952, 1951
Penn State (8) - 2005, 1994, 1986, 1985, 1982, 1978, 1969, 1968
Iowa (5) - 2002, 1985, 1960, 1958, 1956
Wisconsin (4) - 2010, 1999, 1962, 1942
Maryland (4) - 1976, 1955, 1953, 1951
Minnesota (4) - 1960, 1941, 1940, 1936
Illinois (3) - 1983, 1963, 1951
Indiana (2) - 1967, 1945
Northwestern (1) - 1995
Purdue (1) - 1943
Rutgers (0)
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Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 28, 2020, 04:14:05 PM
I'd say the doorstep for the Big Ten would be making it to Indy but peeing down your leg (Wisconsin) or getting upset during rivalry week when you were otherwise a shoo in (The Wolverines) or being on the bubble with a win over OSU en route to a Big Ten Title, but winding up on the outside looking in (Penn St).
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Post by: FearlessF on January 28, 2020, 04:16:56 PM
Helluva list by the Buckeyes, but curiously absent in the 80's
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 28, 2020, 04:37:30 PM
In the 80s the recruiting picked up but the production tailed off
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Post by: FearlessF on January 28, 2020, 04:50:19 PM
tough decade for the Big

1989, 1986 for Michigan and 1985 for the Hawks
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 28, 2020, 05:00:03 PM
It's a good thing there wasn't a playoff in '95.  
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Post by: FearlessF on January 28, 2020, 05:22:56 PM
might have been ugly
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Post by: FearlessF on January 28, 2020, 05:23:32 PM
here are a few non-helmets that are investing

https://247sports.com/college/nebraska/LongFormArticle/college-football-recruiting-2020-facilities-Alabama-Clemson-Ohio-State-LSU-Texas-Georgia-Florida-142838731/#142838731_1 (https://247sports.com/college/nebraska/LongFormArticle/college-football-recruiting-2020-facilities-Alabama-Clemson-Ohio-State-LSU-Texas-Georgia-Florida-142838731/#142838731_1)
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on January 28, 2020, 05:38:00 PM
Quote from: FearlessF on January 28, 2020, 04:16:56 PM
Helluva list by the Buckeyes, but curiously absent in the 80's

Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on January 28, 2020, 04:37:30 PM
In the 80s the recruiting picked up but the production tailed off
Per @ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55) 's list the Buckeyes would have made it 24 times in the 84 years of the AP poll.  That works out to once every three-and-a-half years but there are, of course, groups of good times and groups of bad years.  From 1936-2019:

The Wolverines would have made it 15 times in 84 years, that works out to once every five-and-a-half years:

The Cornhuskers would have made it 13 times in 84 years, that works out to once every six-and-a-half-years:

The Spartans would have made it nine times in 84 years, that works out to once every nine-and-a-third years:

The Nittany Lions would have made it eight times in 84 years, that works out to once every ten-and-a-half years:

The Hawkeyes would have made it five times in 84 years, that works out to once every almost 17 years:

The Badgers would have made it four times in 84 years, that works out to once every 21 years:

The Terps would have made it four times in 84 years, that works out to once every 21 years:

The Gophers would have made it four times in 84 years, that works out to once every 21 years:

The Illini would have made it three times in 84 years, that works out to once every 28 years:

The Hoosiers would have made it twice in 84 years, that works out to once every 42 years:

The Wildcats would have made it once in 84 years, that works out to once every 84 years:

The Boilermakers would have made it once in 84 years, that works out to once every 84 years:

Longest droughts:

Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: ELA on January 28, 2020, 05:46:48 PM
Quote from: FearlessF on January 28, 2020, 04:50:19 PM
tough decade for the Big

1989, 1986 for Michigan and 1985 for the Hawks
Illinois in 1983
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Post by: FearlessF on January 28, 2020, 05:59:27 PM
oops, carelessly overlooked
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: Kris60 on January 29, 2020, 06:27:28 AM
More than a little surprised to see that Michigan St had more top 4 AP appearances at the end of the regular season than Penn St.  50s were a hell of decade for Sparty.
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Post by: MrNubbz on January 29, 2020, 08:23:06 AM
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on January 28, 2020, 04:14:05 PM
I'd say the doorstep for the Big Ten would be making it to Indy but peeing down your leg (Wisconsin)
Ya well they got there,gave it their best shot,left it all on the field.There is something to be said for persistence/perseverance
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Post by: 847badgerfan on January 29, 2020, 10:03:25 AM
The better team won in Indy that day.

2016 is the one that hurts the most, as far as losing in Indy. There was no excuse to lose against PSU that day. The staff and players crapped the bed in the second half, period.
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 29, 2020, 11:21:23 AM
Yeah obviously you have to have a great season in order to blow a CFB appearance in Indy. Northwestern wasn't"on the doorstep." They could have beaten OSU by 100 and not found their way in.
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Post by: MrNubbz on January 29, 2020, 11:37:34 AM
Huh?
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: FearlessF on January 29, 2020, 11:44:17 AM
the committee
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: ELA on January 29, 2020, 04:44:40 PM
Quote from: Kris60 on January 29, 2020, 06:27:28 AM
More than a little surprised to see that Michigan St had more top 4 AP appearances at the end of the regular season than Penn St.  50s were a hell of decade for Sparty.
I think that kind of strengthens the discussion we had that seemingly the 70s, with a few year buffer either way, really sort of locked in the helmets.  Yes, MSU's 9 is more than PSU's 8, but 7 of MSU's 9 were between 1951-1966, then none until 2013.  PSU had 6 from 1968-1986.

And it's not that MSU wasn't just not CFP good in their down years, they were DOWN.  In the 41 years from that 1966 CFP through the arrival of Dantonio, MSU only finished ranked 6 times.  They only finished over .500 16 times.  Dennis Stolz seemed primed to get a mid 70s bounceback to respectability, and then MSU got hit with NCAA violations and a postseason ban, and recruiting limitations.
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 29, 2020, 08:43:02 PM
Other than Sparty has anyone gotten in without stacking two or three top ten recruiting classes?
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: FearlessF on January 29, 2020, 08:47:11 PM
the Badgers and Hawkeyes aren't known for stacking top 20 recruiting classes
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: ELA on January 29, 2020, 08:51:29 PM
Quote from: FearlessF on January 29, 2020, 08:47:11 PM
the Badgers and Hawkeyes aren't known for stacking top 20 recruiting classes
And neither has made it.

Washington maybe did?
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 29, 2020, 10:27:21 PM
Good call.
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 30, 2020, 06:20:31 AM
Quote from: FearlessF on January 29, 2020, 08:47:11 PM
the Badgers and Hawkeyes aren't known for stacking top 20 recruiting classes
UW might finish in the top-25 this year, for the first time in 247 history.
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: bayareabadger on January 30, 2020, 08:56:53 AM
If I’m not taking the field, I guess Auburn. They’ve shown the best ceiling in a division that is you win, you’re one win away. Granted the recent UGA history has been an issue. 
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: Cincydawg on January 30, 2020, 10:32:50 AM
Auburn has to get by Bama and LSU each year and UGA in conference, plus upstarts.  They won the West one year with two losses.

USC has a lower bar of course.
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: fezzador on January 30, 2020, 01:36:20 PM
If Auburn played in the East, I'd suspect that they'd have a better shot of making the final 4.  UGA and FL are tough, but not on the same level as Bama and LSU.  Plus the rest of the West lackeys are generally stronger than those in the East.
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 30, 2020, 10:24:13 PM
The East won the h2h vs the West in 2018 and it was split 50/50 in 2019 (before the SECCG).  
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 31, 2020, 07:12:54 AM
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on January 30, 2020, 10:24:13 PM
The East won the h2h vs the West in 2018 and it was split 50/50 in 2019 (before the SECCG). 
Sounds similar to the B1G West vs. B1G East. The biggest difference between the two is that the B1G East has OSU.
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 31, 2020, 08:49:08 AM
OSU  is offset  by Rutgers
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: Cincydawg on January 31, 2020, 09:17:56 AM
I think the SEC W is tougher.  After Florida and UGA, both of whom Auburn played, the East falls off dramatically. UGA is paired with Auburn so they don't get a break there.  The Aggies are usually decent, MSU can be thorny, Arkansas, well, is Rutger.

Getting that great QB is the key, and he could turn up from Wake Forest on a grad transfer or something.
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: FearlessF on January 31, 2020, 09:37:52 AM
in context of making the CFP, the weakest teams in the division are not a factor
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 31, 2020, 10:52:46 AM
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on January 31, 2020, 08:49:08 AM
OSU  is offset  by Rutgers
Bama is offset by Arkansas.
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 31, 2020, 11:16:42 AM
Without checking the prognostications I bet Arkansas beats Rutgers in the ""players drafted" ratio.
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: Cincydawg on January 31, 2020, 01:12:34 PM
Arkansas should be decent, 7-5ish, and better, but perhaps so should Rutger.

Maryland should be decent also.  Should.  Great word.

UGA should be better too.

I saw a blurb they moved to the top of the 247 thingee, yay.

Watch out for UNC...
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: FearlessF on January 31, 2020, 01:16:18 PM
there's anew sheriff in Chapel Hill, and his name is Mack Brown! 
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 31, 2020, 01:52:29 PM
Maryland should be a thing.  Are they and Penn State on each other's radar more than average?  If UMD doesn't face the same academic hurdles UVA does, then straddling PA and VA, with some decent talent in-state (for its size), the Terps should routinely matter.
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: MrNubbz on January 31, 2020, 05:18:14 PM
Quote from: FearlessF on January 31, 2020, 01:16:18 PM
there's anew sheriff in Chapel Hill, and his name is Mack Brown!
Maybe he'll find his Deputy,GD-GD
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: Hawkinole on February 09, 2020, 11:14:54 PM
Quote from: Hawkinole on January 25, 2020, 01:00:35 AM
This is 2020. Language skills are important so you must parse. FSU was down is more correct.
You are right.

If FSU is non-helmet, I suspect they actually have a shot. They have Brock Purdy's little brother coming in, a 4* recruit, at QB. FSU could make a quick comeback. I am thinking, they won't be in playoff mode in 2020. When they are fully back FSU has to beat Clemson, Hogtown, and Miami for the best chance at a playoff.
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 10, 2020, 12:11:35 PM
If FSU is a non-helmet, then it's officially impossible to become a helmet over a 40-year span.  Being a top 5 team for 14 or whatever straight years, 3 NCs, Heismans, etc.  Granted, they started from basically zero, but wow.
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: FearlessF on February 10, 2020, 01:22:56 PM
2006 was 7-6, Florida State had to vacate five wins

2007 was 7-6, Florida State had to vacate all seven wins

2006 to 2009 and now the past 3 seasons currently have obviously hurt.

I believe if they could have kept up the winning and added more conference championships, they would be included in the helmet club today
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 10, 2020, 01:26:14 PM
Yes, if Florida St hasn't earned their stripes yet, then the Oregons and Clemsons of the world have no chance. Zero, zilch, nada.
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: FearlessF on February 10, 2020, 04:31:03 PM
Clemson is on a pretty good track right now.  How long can they sustain?  How long will Dabo be there and will the next guy be as good?
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 10, 2020, 09:10:53 PM
Quote from: FearlessF on February 10, 2020, 01:22:56 PM
2006 was 7-6, Florida State had to vacate five wins

2007 was 7-6, Florida State had to vacate all seven wins

2006 to 2009 and now the past 3 seasons currently have obviously hurt.

I believe if they could have kept up the winning and added more conference championships, they would be included in the helmet club today
Right, but isn't that sort of an impossible standard?  Taking the past 40 years exactly, FSU is #2 in win% overall.  #2 over a 40-year stretch and you're still calling for some more wins/ conference championships.  Sheesh.
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: FearlessF on February 10, 2020, 10:14:56 PM
I didn't say it was easy or fair

I'm just saying it's not impossible

unfortunately, the Noles haven't been competitive with Clemson the past 5 seasons

takes a little shine off the helmet
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 10, 2020, 10:37:29 PM
Quote from: FearlessF on February 10, 2020, 10:14:56 PM
I didn't say it was easy or fair

I'm just saying it's not impossible

unfortunately, the Noles haven't been competitive with Clemson the past 5 seasons

takes a little shine off the helmet
And yet most? would argue Nebraska and Tennessee are helmets....the shine on those is worn down to the interior padding....
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: FearlessF on February 10, 2020, 10:43:31 PM
they are close to dropping out
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 10, 2020, 11:44:24 PM
If Minnesota can forfeit helmet status in under 40 years, it makes sense that a team can earn its way into helmet status in 40 years.  And yes, being 2nd in win% over 40 years WITH 3 NCs clears the bar.
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: FearlessF on February 11, 2020, 11:03:11 AM
so, FSU is a helmet, or FSU was a helmet 6 years ago?

#5 in winning % over 80 years is more impressive
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: fezzador on February 11, 2020, 12:03:38 PM
FSU didn't even start its football program until after WWII right?  I think it was only made coeducational around that timeframe.
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 11, 2020, 01:26:33 PM
Which team that qualifies as a helmet  for this exercise had the worst go of it from 1970-79?
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 11, 2020, 01:42:17 PM
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on February 11, 2020, 01:26:33 PM
Which team that qualifies as a helmet  for this exercise had the worst go of it from 1970-79?
Easily Tennessee, if you still consider them helmet.
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: FearlessF on February 11, 2020, 03:04:40 PM
I'm fine kicking the Vols out

in fact I'd encourage it

they can earn their way back in with a few SEC championships and another MNC
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: CWSooner on February 11, 2020, 06:37:14 PM
I think FSU is a helmet school.

As posters upthread noted, if FSU's not a helmet, then nobody who's not one now can ever become one.
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 11, 2020, 06:53:52 PM
Quote from: CWSooner on February 11, 2020, 06:37:14 PM
I think FSU is a helmet school.

As posters upthread noted, if FSU's not a helmet, then nobody who's not one now can ever become one.
I don't think the game will around long enough for there to be one.
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 11, 2020, 07:27:49 PM
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on February 10, 2020, 10:37:29 PM
And yet most? would argue Nebraska and Tennessee are helmets....the shine on those is worn down to the interior padding....
And the Wolverines are a "helmet" in spite of the fact that they enjoyed most of their success in the pre leather helmet era.
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 11, 2020, 07:48:10 PM
I think the helmets were established pre-WWII. It takes a lot to lose the status. It takes even more to gain the status.

The fact that people keep talking about UNL and Tenn makes me think they are still helmets. Fading, for sure, but still in the conversation.

Nobody really talks about FSU, UF or Miami anymore. 5-10+ years of suck will do that - to a non-helmet.
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: CWSooner on February 11, 2020, 08:41:16 PM
Quote from: 847badgerfan on February 11, 2020, 07:48:10 PM
I think the helmets were established pre-WWII. It takes a lot to lose the status. It takes even more to gain the status.

The fact that people keep talking about UNL and Tenn makes me think they are still helmets. Fading, for sure, but still in the conversation.

Nobody really talks about FSU, UF or Miami anymore. 5-10+ years of suck will do that - to a non-helmet.
Dang!  You're a hard man, Badge.

FSU won the NC as recently as 2013.
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 11, 2020, 08:50:10 PM
Just trying to follow this...
say FSU was a helmet 5 years ago....since they were a new helmet or young helmet, that status is suddenly lost in 5 years, but a longtime helmet can be irrelevant for over a decade (including serious suckage) and still safely keep its status?
.
I know this is all made up and hypothetical, but it can still possess logic and prudence, lol.  Right?  
.
And is any part of helmetosity literal?  The "if you asked 100 casual college football fans, how many could ID your helmet?" idea has merit, no?
Michigan does well there.  
Miami's logo is interesting...there's like 10 states that start with M, how will we stand out?  Hell, only one starts with U, let's take that over!  Yeah!
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 11, 2020, 08:54:09 PM
FSU wasn't a helmet 5 years ago. Getting close, but they are out now. 
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 11, 2020, 08:58:09 PM
Okay, fellas.  Here's a sporcle quiz on helmets - do it just for fun.  I got 'em all in 6:48.  This isn't a competition, I'm just looking at the stats of the quiz.  But try it if you have 6:48 to kill.  
https://www.sporcle.com/games/kfastic/teams-by-helmets (https://www.sporcle.com/games/kfastic/teams-by-helmets)
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 11, 2020, 08:59:41 PM
Quote from: CWSooner on February 11, 2020, 08:41:16 PM
Dang!  You're a hard man, Badge.

FSU won the NC as recently as 2013.
And Auburn won one in 2010.

Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 11, 2020, 09:04:47 PM
FSU's rate is between Georgia and Michigan.  Relatively high.  Oddly, Clemson, Syracuse, and UNC are the top 3.  Maybe a lot of people from ACC country have taken this quiz.  
Lowest P5 helmet (not all P5 programs are included, it's 72 random helmets from FBS):  Washington State.
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 11, 2020, 09:08:35 PM
Hallowed 8 Helmet Programs, 1970-1979:
win%, Team
.877  OU
.863  Alabama
.848  Michigan
.820  Nebraska
.811  Ohio St
.805  ND
.803  USC
.770  Texas
.
.814  Penn St
.654  Tennessee
.
The Vols were behind Georgia, LSU, Arkansas, and new-to-P5-status Houston and Arizona St.
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 11, 2020, 09:10:14 PM
I'm fine with the 8 to be above the rest, but the Florida trio belongs with Penn St and Tennessee.  
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 11, 2020, 09:15:20 PM
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on February 11, 2020, 08:58:09 PM
Okay, fellas.  Here's a sporcle quiz on helmets - do it just for fun.  I got 'em all in 6:48.  This isn't a competition, I'm just looking at the stats of the quiz.  But try it if you have 6:48 to kill. 
https://www.sporcle.com/games/kfastic/teams-by-helmets (https://www.sporcle.com/games/kfastic/teams-by-helmets)

10:30. Missed two. Mixed up State of Ball and ULaMo.
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 11, 2020, 09:16:42 PM
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on February 11, 2020, 09:04:47 PM
FSU's rate is between Georgia and Michigan.  Relatively high.  Oddly, Clemson, Syracuse, and UNC are the top 3.  Maybe a lot of people from ACC country have taken this quiz. 
Lowest P5 helmet (not all P5 programs are included, it's 72 random helmets from FBS):  Washington State.

Odd about WSU, since their flag has been flying on Gameday for 30 years.
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 11, 2020, 09:17:12 PM
1990-2019:



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6Georgia (http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/fetch-team.pl?team=Georgia)0.709972701101381
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8Miami-Florida (http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/fetch-team.pl?team=Miami-Florida)0.696242591130372
9Penn State (http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/fetch-team.pl?team=Penn_State)0.696002611140375
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13Louisiana State (http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/fetch-team.pl?team=Louisiana_State)0.685832561171374
14Virginia Tech (http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/fetch-team.pl?team=Virginia_Tech)0.683732601201381
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17Southern Cal (http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/fetch-team.pl?team=Southern_Cal)0.666672421204366
18Auburn (http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/fetch-team.pl?team=Auburn)0.664442471243374
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20Utah (http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/fetch-team.pl?team=Utah)0.650412401290369

Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 11, 2020, 09:20:23 PM
2000-2019:


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4Louisiana State (http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/fetch-team.pl?team=Louisiana_State)0.77395202590261
5Georgia (http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/fetch-team.pl?team=Georgia)0.74717198670265
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14Virginia Tech (http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/fetch-team.pl?team=Virginia_Tech)0.69318183810264
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23Oklahoma State (http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/fetch-team.pl?team=Oklahoma_State)0.63241160930253
24Toledo (http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/fetch-team.pl?team=Toledo)0.63200158920250
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27Brigham Young (http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/fetch-team.pl?team=Brigham_Young)0.61961158970255
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30Notre Dame (http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/fetch-team.pl?team=Notre_Dame)0.61304141890230

Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 11, 2020, 09:22:02 PM
2010-2019:


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4Oklahoma (http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/fetch-team.pl?team=Oklahoma)0.81343109250134
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10Stanford (http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/fetch-team.pl?team=Stanford)0.7348597350132
11Florida State (http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/fetch-team.pl?team=Florida_State)0.7218096370133
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Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 11, 2020, 09:23:11 PM
Quote from: 847badgerfan on February 11, 2020, 09:22:02 PM
2010-2019:


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4Oklahoma (http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/fetch-team.pl?team=Oklahoma)0.81343109250134
5Boise State (http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/fetch-team.pl?team=Boise_State)0.80451107260133
6Louisiana State (http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/fetch-team.pl?team=Louisiana_State)0.78626103280131
7Oregon (http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/fetch-team.pl?team=Oregon)0.75940101320133
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9Georgia (http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/fetch-team.pl?team=Georgia)0.73529100360136
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13Michigan State (http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/fetch-team.pl?team=Michigan_State)0.6969792400132
14San Diego State (http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/fetch-team.pl?team=San_Diego_State)0.6818290420132
15Central Florida (http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/fetch-team.pl?team=Central_Florida)0.6769288420130
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24Texas A&M (http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/fetch-team.pl?team=Texas_A+M)0.6461584460130
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29Virginia Tech (http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/fetch-team.pl?team=Virginia_Tech)0.6315884490133
30tKansas State (http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/fetch-team.pl?team=Kansas_State)0.6279181480129


Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 11, 2020, 09:23:40 PM

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Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 11, 2020, 10:22:30 PM
40 years before the last 40:
1. Oklahoma
2. Penn St
3. Ohio St
4. Alabama
5. USC
6. Texas
7. Nebraska
8. Michigan
9. ND
10. Arkansas
11. Tennessee
.
The last 40 years:
1. Ohio St
2. Florida St
3. Florida
4. Oklahoma
5. Alabama
6. Georgia
7. Nebraska
8. Miami
9. Penn St
10. Michigan
11. Clemson
.
According to this, and this dumps all the pre-WWII junk - Nebraska is a solid helmet and so is Penn St.  
Tennessee and ND can go suck a big, fat one.  The Florida schools' results are on par with what ND, USC, and such did back in the day.  
I think there's obvious recency bias against the "johnny-come-latelies".  But 40 years is 40 years.  Notre Dame = Kansas State the last 40 years, plus a TV contract.  The numbers don't lie.  USC is between Wisconsin and Auburn.  Texas is behind VA Tech.  
.
Our idea of a helmet program is dated.
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: Cincydawg on February 12, 2020, 02:09:25 AM
The whole idea of a Helmet Program to me has sparing to do with wins and losses.

The programs with the most wins of late may not be HPs at all.  But, whatever.

Perhaps it is random.
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 12, 2020, 10:14:42 AM
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on February 11, 2020, 08:58:09 PM
Okay, fellas.  Here's a sporcle quiz on helmets - do it just for fun.  I got 'em all in 6:48.  This isn't a competition, I'm just looking at the stats of the quiz.  But try it if you have 6:48 to kill. 
https://www.sporcle.com/games/kfastic/teams-by-helmets (https://www.sporcle.com/games/kfastic/teams-by-helmets)

Not great. 63/72 with 1:02 remaining on the clock. 
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: FearlessF on February 12, 2020, 11:46:03 AM
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on February 11, 2020, 10:22:30 PM
According to this, and this dumps all the pre-WWII junk - Nebraska is a solid helmet and so is Penn St. 
Tennessee and ND can go suck a big, fat one.  The Florida schools' results are on par with what ND, USC, and such did back in the day. 
I think there's obvious recency bias against the "johnny-come-latelies".  But 40 years is 40 years.  Notre Dame = Kansas State the last 40 years, plus a TV contract.  The numbers don't lie.  USC is between Wisconsin and Auburn.  Texas is behind VA Tech. 
.
Our idea of a helmet program is dated.
I agree, but....

the dudes that came up with the "helmet" program idea and definition are older than 40.

Damn Boomers!
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: FearlessF on February 12, 2020, 12:23:38 PM
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on February 11, 2020, 09:08:35 PM
Hallowed 8 Helmet Programs, 1970-1979:
win%, Team
.877  OU
.863  Alabama
.848  Michigan
.820  Nebraska
.811  Ohio St
.805  ND
.803  USC
.770  Texas
.
.814  Penn St
.654  Tennessee
.
The Vols were behind Georgia, LSU, Arkansas, and new-to-P5-status Houston and Arizona St.

it seems the 70's were the decade that made helmets, but I'd go farther........


1 Alabama 
2 Nebraska 
3 Penn State
4 Boise State
5 Oklahoma 
6 Ohio State
7 Southern Cal
8 Texas
9 Michigan

_________________________
10 Arkansas
11 Arizona State
12 Notre Dame ???
13 Georgia
14 Auburn
15 Louisiana State
16 Tennessee
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: TyphonInc on February 12, 2020, 04:38:03 PM
Quote from: 847badgerfan on February 11, 2020, 09:15:20 PM
10:30. Missed two. Mixed up State of Ball and ULaMo.

mine said 4:55 (I think that's how much time was left.)
I missed Nevada, clicked on New Mexico. I kicked myself as soon as I did it.
I also saved NC State for the end because I really thought it was Stanford. (Maybe small screen or bad eyes.)
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 12, 2020, 04:57:01 PM
Quote from: TyphonInc on February 12, 2020, 04:38:03 PM
mine said 4:55 (I think that's how much time was left.)
I missed Nevada, clicked on New Mexico. I kicked myself as soon as I did it.
I also saved NC State for the end because I really thought it was Stanford. (Maybe small screen or bad eyes.)
Huh, was there a "skip" function? I could have probably done it faster and more accurately if I hadn't had to pick out a few of the G5 schools I didn't know right up front...
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 12, 2020, 04:57:56 PM
Quote from: Cincydawg on February 12, 2020, 02:09:25 AM
The whole idea of a Helmet Program to me has sparing to do with wins and losses.


And yet the consensus helmet programs are basically the top 10 in all-time wins....
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: FearlessF on February 12, 2020, 05:15:28 PM
the old fashioned way

they earned it with wins on the field of play
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 12, 2020, 05:22:18 PM
Quote from: FearlessF on February 12, 2020, 05:15:28 PM
the old fashioned way

they earned it with wins on the field of play... a long time ago.
FTFY.
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: FearlessF on February 12, 2020, 06:27:30 PM
I'm ok with that
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 12, 2020, 07:33:05 PM
It's incredible football even got going.  Aside from the deaths and what-not, I was looking around at some old-timey seasons.
1934
I hope no one paid much to watch Furman play.  Average score of their games was 4.4 - 5.1 for the season.
Wins included games of 3-2, 9-3, 7-6, and 6-0.  
Losses of 7-2, 2-0, and 7-0.  Barn-burners!
.
And then there was Duquesne.
Went 8-2, with an average score of 32-2.  And somehow lost twice.
Beat someone 99-0.  Lost to WV 7-0 and Carnegie Mellon 3-0.  Had a wretchedly weak schedule.  
Allowed 4 scores all season and lost twice.  FFS.
.
Interesting, anyway.
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 12, 2020, 07:46:06 PM
There is some old CFB footage shot by Thomas Edison in n the 19-ots, and every play was a run up the middle into a gigantic pile up. The guy that came up with the pitch must have been the Mike Leach of his day.
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: FearlessF on February 12, 2020, 07:48:26 PM
THIS WEEK IN HUSKER HISTORY
The week of Feb. 8-14, looking back in five-year intervals

1905: In a close vote, Nebraska legislators kill a bill that would have outlawed football.
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 12, 2020, 08:03:31 PM
It would be tough to drum up much CFB history in February. Of course OSU played its first ever game in May, which is fairly ridiculous. So there may have been a February game at some point or another. Probably in the deep South.
Title: Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: FearlessF on February 12, 2020, 08:07:08 PM
the Husker press corps will dig up something each and every week