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Title: Which helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: ELA on January 24, 2020, 01:37:37 PM
At first I combined this into one poll, but I think it kind of makes sense to break it out, because I think it's sort of two separate questions.
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 24, 2020, 01:39:38 PM
Florida.
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Post by: ELA on January 24, 2020, 01:40:56 PM
Florida.
Not a traditional helmet, hence the other poll
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Post by: Entropy on January 24, 2020, 01:41:07 PM
texas...  When Texas is close enough to sniff the top 4, there will be a lot of pull to push a storied program with a huge fanbase back into the spotlight.   And the Big12 is not as deep as the other conferences at this time...
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Post by: ELA on January 24, 2020, 01:45:16 PM
texas...  When Texas is close enough to sniff the top 4, there will be a lot of pull to push a storied program with a huge fanbase back into the spotlight.  And the Big12 is not as deep as the other conferences at this time...
Maybe, but they also haven't been particularly close.  I went Michigan, because they are at least knocking on the door.  But I think the sneaky pick is USC.  The Pac 12 isn't good, and I could see a good, not great, USC team going like 12-1 next year, winning the Pac 12, and getting throttled in the 1-4 game.
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 24, 2020, 01:51:13 PM
What is your helmet list?
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Post by: ELA on January 24, 2020, 01:53:17 PM
What is your helmet list?
We've had a million threads on that, and I don't want this to turn into that, so I'll save it for the next inevitable "what is a helmet" thread.
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 24, 2020, 01:55:59 PM
From this list I'd agree with your point on USC, but feel like Penn St is a lot closer than Michigan.
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Post by: utee94 on January 24, 2020, 01:57:35 PM
texas...  When Texas is close enough to sniff the top 4, there will be a lot of pull to push a storied program with a huge fanbase back into the spotlight.  And the Big12 is not as deep as the other conferences at this time...
B12 is better and deeper than the PAC, and the ACC by a long shot.

But yeah, I'm going with Texas too.
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 24, 2020, 01:59:44 PM
When Herman took the job I thought they'd be great. But he is not the coach that I thought he was, on or off the field. I didn't have this.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 24, 2020, 02:00:10 PM
I think Texas and USC have the easiest paths. I pick Texas because unlike USC, they're at least continuing to recruit and have a more stable coaching situation, even if Herman isn't exactly on the coolest seat. 

UM/PSU have to get by both OSU and likely Wisconsin, and until I see Ryan Day make a single misstep, I'm not certain I would bet on them.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on January 24, 2020, 02:16:41 PM
I debated myself between USC and Penn State. USC has a ton of advantages, but not a great coach. PSU has a great coach with a lot of advantages built in.

Now, if Urban Meyer goes to USC next year, I'm revising this immediately.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 24, 2020, 02:28:04 PM
Now, if Urban Meyer goes to USC next year, I'm revising this immediately.
Oh yeah. Game-changer.
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Post by: FearlessF on January 24, 2020, 03:08:05 PM
I'll take Penn St.

Get Ohio St. at home during a white out and then a bit of luck
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Post by: fezzador on January 24, 2020, 03:17:02 PM
I voted USC simply because I believe Clay Helton is on borrowed time and they're going to go hard after Urban this December (or maybe earlier if USC is even worse than expected).  That's a big if though.

If not, then Penn State is probably the next closest.  They're going to have to beat Ohio State to do it though, but as already mentioned they're much closer than Michigan.  Michigan and Texas are roughly equivalent right now - they aren't getting as much as they expected with their coaches, but they're at least shooting for New Year's Day bowls.  Tennessee is just happy to make any bowl right now.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on January 24, 2020, 03:29:15 PM
Also, if Tennessee is still a helmet, then Nebraska is too. Can't have one without the other.
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Post by: FearlessF on January 24, 2020, 03:37:09 PM
doesn't bother me, because........ the Huskers weren't going to get any votes
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Post by: ELA on January 24, 2020, 04:30:51 PM
Also, if Tennessee is still a helmet, then Nebraska is too. Can't have one without the other.
Yeah, that was just a slip up in splitting the polls
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Post by: FearlessF on January 24, 2020, 04:44:18 PM
 a couple years ago, when folks thought Scott Frost was a magician capable of pulling rabbits out of his hat, the Huskers may have received a few votes

after the past two seasons, not so much
Title: Re: Which helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 24, 2020, 07:26:03 PM
Which "helmet" has the most lackluster history?
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 24, 2020, 08:34:27 PM
texas...  When Texas is close enough to sniff the top 4, there will be a lot of pull to push a storied program with a huge fanbase back into the spotlight.  And the Big12 is not as deep as the other conferences at this time...
This.
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But it's also a coin flip between Texas and USC.  If/when either gets the right HC, they're in within a couple of years.
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Post by: CWSooner on January 24, 2020, 09:31:07 PM
USC has the easiest path through a weak conference.

Tennessee is the least likely.  I'm not sure that Tennessee is a helmet anymore.
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 25, 2020, 12:06:10 AM
These things are cyclical.  Tennessee has stunk for awhile, but they can be good again.  TN isn't a talent hotbed, but they're adjacent to plenty of talent.  They haven't had THE right guy at HC, but eventually they will.  I'm confident of all this because I investigated a hunch and it yielded something:
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Tennessee is good when Alabama stinks.  Tennessee stinks when Alabama is good.
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I plotted both programs' wins each year, starting at 1992 (Alabama's 13-0 NC season).  I had this hunch because of what I've seen and remember, and by 1992 I was pretty much a college football fiend.
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There are points of intersection (seasons):  both were 9-game winners in 1993, 10-game winners in 1996, and within a game of each other in 1999.  BUT....
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When Alabama dropped by 4 wins from 94-95, Tennessee improved by 3.  While Alabama struggled to 4 and 6 wins in '97-98, the Vols jumped to 11 and 13 wins (and a NC).  Tennessee regresses by 4 games in 99...you guessed it, Bama improves to 10 wins.  Bama goes back in the tank in '03-04, the Vols enjoy consecutive 10-win seasons.
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And since Alabama's resurgence under Saban...oh boy!  Since 2008, Bama's worse has been one 10-win season (that's in the past 12 years!).  Tennessee?  Their BEST was a pair of 9-win seasons, but mostly sat between 4-6 wins.
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The Vols will matter once again, but probably not until Saban hangs it up.  You can look up what I said here, the line graph is quite remarkable.
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 25, 2020, 12:06:58 AM
Oh, and when I said these things are cyclical, I'm afraid Nebraska broke the cycle when they abandoned the option.  Now, they have to improve just as any other random program would have to.
Title: Re: Which helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: FearlessF on January 25, 2020, 08:23:13 AM
as Minnesooota proved last season

all it takes is the right coach

proximity to talent is helpful, but not a deal killer

kids can be persuaded to leave home and play across the country

programs like Tennessee and Nebraska have the "want to" and the resources, so they eventually will find the "right" coach for their situation.
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Post by: ELA on January 25, 2020, 11:07:46 AM
as Minnesooota proved last season

all it takes is the right coach

proximity to talent is helpful, but not a deal killer

kids can be persuaded to leave home and play across the country

programs like Tennessee and Nebraska have the "want to" and the resources, so they eventually will find the "right" coach for their situation.
Doesn't that prove they aren't helmets though?  That they are like any school, that needs the right breaks?
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 25, 2020, 11:55:17 AM
If you are hoping to someday be like the Gophers, you might not be a helmet.
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Post by: FearlessF on January 25, 2020, 12:00:49 PM
just hoping to find the right coach

just like the Buckeyes when Urban retired
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Post by: Entropy on January 25, 2020, 07:42:07 PM
I made the vote based upon staff in place today.   Clearly any school that would land a coach like Urban would jump the pack. 

Title: Re: Which helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
Post by: ELA on January 25, 2020, 09:03:17 PM
I made the vote based upon staff in place today.  Clearly any school that would land a coach like Urban would jump the pack.


The reason I split the polls was because of sort of that exact reason.  Most of those non helmets have a better chance in the next 2-3 years.  But if you don't see a break through in that time frame, then the helmets seem like the safe bet.  So it almost changed the question as to whether you saw it as a short term or long term question.
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 25, 2020, 10:09:09 PM
Which helmet will be the last to make their CFP debut?
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Post by: FearlessF on January 26, 2020, 09:19:18 AM
well, it might be Michigan
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Post by: RestingB!tchFace on January 27, 2020, 12:20:10 PM
Texas.  Way too much talent to stay down for much longer.
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Post by: FearlessF on January 27, 2020, 01:14:32 PM
and, they will change coaches if needed
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Post by: RestingB!tchFace on January 27, 2020, 01:48:42 PM
If you are hoping to someday be like the Gophers, you might not be a helmet.

Correct.  One very good season isn't something to aspire to.  But I bet that there are quite a few helmet school that wish they had Fleck.

After a great run at Western Michigan....Fleck is proving that he isn't just a flash in the pan.  I shudder to think what he could accomplish at one of those helmets schools.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on January 27, 2020, 03:43:06 PM
Correct.  One very good season isn't something to aspire to.  But I bet that there are quite a few helmet school that wish they had Fleck.

After a great run at Western Michigan....Fleck is proving that he isn't just a flash in the pan.  I shudder to think what he could accomplish at one of those helmets schools.
Maybe, but there's no way the "shtick" and personal branding would fly at a helmet school. Think USC is going to let him put "ROW" everywhere or plaster oars on their helmets? Not a chance.

Hell, would not even go over in Madison or Iowa City. Bielema won a lot in Madison and half or more of the fanbase couldn't stand the guy. And he was nowhere close to what PJ is.
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Post by: FearlessF on January 27, 2020, 03:44:24 PM
hopefully, he could win w/o the helmet decals
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Post by: MrNubbz on January 27, 2020, 03:55:03 PM
 And he was nowhere close to what PJ is.
And the Gopher fans say Amen.Fleck maybe Goophy but BB turned into a real steaming pile.He should have said little and got on with the job of coaching but he couldn't help popping off.Unprovoked I might add
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Post by: RestingB!tchFace on January 27, 2020, 04:39:53 PM
Maybe, but there's no way the "shtick" and personal branding would fly at a helmet school. Think USC is going to let him put "ROW" everywhere or plaster oars on their helmets? Not a chance.

Hell, would not even go over in Madison or Iowa City. Bielema won a lot in Madison and half or more of the fanbase couldn't stand the guy. And he was nowhere close to what PJ is.

That's all true.  At some point however....I'd wonder if a helmet school would be willing to say screw it.

And fortunately....the Gophers dropped the oar from the helmet this past season.  Thank God for that.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on January 27, 2020, 04:54:09 PM
That last part is really good news. That was just over the top bad.
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Post by: RestingB!tchFace on January 27, 2020, 05:22:11 PM
That last part is really good news. That was just over the top bad.
Seriously.  It looked very bad and I'm guessing that the backlash was enough to have it removed.
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Post by: FearlessF on January 27, 2020, 06:01:57 PM
most schools will put up with too much to win on the gridiron

helmet schools will do just about anything