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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: ELA on January 21, 2020, 10:54:53 AM
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For not OT, but doesn't fit into one of our Big Ten team threads
Travis Etienne returning shockingly.
Clemson doesn't play many interesting games, but looking at his numbers, and now that he's coming back, he might wind up in the conversation for best running back of all time, considering how running backs are now used.
With a repeat of 2019, he'd finish his career with 5,652 career rushing yards, which would be #8 all time. But he would also be doing that on 7.8 ypc. Of the guys ahead of him, the highest is Jonathan Taylor at 6.7, Ricky Williams and DeAngelo Williams are next at 6.2.
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That really surprised me.
I think in general a guy like him should leave, and I really hope he doesn't suffer any injuries that hurt his stock or his career.
That said, I'll never begrudge a kid for wanting to play college ball and finish out his eligibility. Best of luck to him.
Clemson will almost certainly be back in the playoffs. Much of this team returns, a Heisman level QB and RB, and who in the ACC is going to stop them?
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Good news for my boy Eno Benjamin, one less RB drafted ahead of him.
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Good news for my boy Eno Benjamin, one less RB drafted ahead of him.
woulda coulda shoulda been *my* boy. :'(
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For not OT, but doesn't fit into one of our Big Ten team threads
Travis Etienne returning shockingly.
Shocking is right,not much left to prove I guess Trevor and him want one more Trophy
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I stumbled across this story recently by accident.
https://www.ktvb.com/article/sports/ncaa/ncaaf/boise-state-football/boise-state-to-the-moutain-west-we-are-weighing-our-options-after-latest-tv-deal-spat/277-dba89b25-635d-49fa-8be2-80f50feb1b1f (https://www.ktvb.com/article/sports/ncaa/ncaaf/boise-state-football/boise-state-to-the-moutain-west-we-are-weighing-our-options-after-latest-tv-deal-spat/277-dba89b25-635d-49fa-8be2-80f50feb1b1f)
I find it hard to believe that Boise State has any significant leverage on this situation. It's not like they have any better options. For comparison, BYU went independent because they knew they could still put their other sports in the WCC (which is a pretty comparable league in most sports) while in football they could still schedule Utah, Utah State, and as many power conference schools as they wanted to play along with some MWC teams and other decent G5 programs, and sure enough, that's what they've done.... Liberty basically did the same thing when they moved their football program up and their other sports from the Big South to Atlantic Sun.
Boise State wouldn't have anywhere to go unless the American Conference were to take them football only (like Navy is) with Connecticut's departure, which may be an option for all I know, but they don't need a 12th team to have a conference championship game any more (much like the Big 12 and SunBelt have them with just 10 teams).... Hypothetically, Boise still might be able to put together a schedule comparable to Liberty, Army, and what Connecticut has set up so far, and better than Massachusetts or New Mexico State do each year, but that's still worse than their average schedule in the MWC and certainly worse than BYU's typical schedule. Regardless, as for basketball and their other sports, the Big West and WAC might be their only options like they have been for Hawaii and where New Mexico State got left behind with a bunch of D1 newbies and rejects from other conferences, and that's certainly a less desirable situation.
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Justyn Ross missing the entire 2020 season
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2020/06/02/clemson-football-receiver-justyn-ross-miss-2020-season/3122261001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2020/06/02/clemson-football-receiver-justyn-ross-miss-2020-season/3122261001/)
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While we’re on the topic of Clemson, looks like after Clemson football decided to post stuff on it’s social media acct to jump on the PR bandwagon to score brownie points with the Black Lives Matter movement, the “woke” Karens, ANTIFAgs, and hipsters- a bunch of former players responded directly to Clemson’s woke video PR twitter post saying an assistant coach at Clemson called a black player the N Word in practice and Dabo never did a thing about it. The player(s) who were called the N word or the team was never addressed or apologized to, the assistant coach was never reprimanded or fired. Nothing happened. Dabo just pretended like nothing ever happened and went on his merry way. The coach in question issued a half-assed public apology almost 4 years after the fact, and only after former players responded to Clemson’s twitter account and put Clemson on blast.
#WhenTryingToScorePRBrowniePointsBackfires
https://twitter.com/_kinggtutt/status/1267804952451256322?s=20
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UNC might have enough to give Clemson a fight IFF they get a number of random breaks (if they play in the CG).
UNC will give up a lot of points though, I suspect. Where did ELA have them ranked?
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UNC might have enough to give Clemson a fight IFF they get a number of random breaks (if they play in the CG).
UNC will give up a lot of points though, I suspect. Where did ELA have them ranked?
Lol. Clemson is going to beat the living shit out of UNC.
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They should, I agree, and they should have a few years back when UNC was trying an off sides to get the ball late to possibly tie too.
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I wouldn't mind Clemson struggling a bit this season as compared to their norm the past 3 or 4 seasons
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UNC might have enough to give Clemson a fight IFF they get a number of random breaks (if they play in the CG).
UNC will give up a lot of points though, I suspect. Where did ELA have them ranked?
28ish?
They wouldn't play until the ACC title game though
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Wasn't it just two years ago that UNC scored very late and went for a 2-point conversion rather than for the tie and OT?
Nope. Last year. 21-20.
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Yeah, UNC has given Clemson some issues at times, and could again. This could be the best UNC team in a long time. They have a very good QB.
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UNC might have enough to give Clemson a fight IFF they get a number of random breaks (if they play in the CG).
UNC will give up a lot of points though, I suspect. Where did ELA have them ranked?
Wasn't it just two years ago that UNC scored very late and went for a 2-point conversion rather than for the tie and OT?
Nope. Last year. 21-20.
Lol. Clemson is going to beat the living shit out of UNC.
I'm with @Mdot21 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1595) on this. UNC, even if they manage to make it to the ACCCG simply does not have the overall talent to stand anything close to toe-to-toe with the Tigers. The only team in the ACC that *MIGHT* is the Seminoles.
That isn't to say it is impossible for UNC to beat Clemson. Clemson lost in 2017 to a vastly inferior Syracuse team (Syracuse finished 4-8 while Clemson finished 12-2 and their other loss was to NC Bama). Clemson also lost in 2016 to a vastly inferior Pitt team (Pitt finished 8-5 while Clemson finished 14-1 with a NC). That said, if Clemson loses to UNC this year it will only be because Clemson didn't play very well in the ACCCG.
If you are looking for potential Clemson losses I would rank them as:
- AT Notre Dame, Saturday, November 7: The Irish are solid and the game is in South Bend.
- AT Florida State, Saturday, October 10: The Seminoles have a lot more talent than the fact that they haven't lost less than six games a year since 2016 would suggest. If they put that talent together they could take down the Tigers.
- ACCCG, Saturday, December 5: The best of UVA/VaTech/Miami/Pitt/UNC/Dook/GaTech should be at least decent and could theoretically pull off the upset but it would definitely be an upset.
- Random Brain-Fart game (See Syracuse in 2017, Pitt in 2016, and (almost) UNC last year.
I think there are really only two plausible ways that Clemson could miss the CFP:
- If they lose at FSU and that keeps them out of the ACCCG, or
- If they lose the ACCCG.
Neither seems all that likely to me. I think you can basically pencil them in.
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I think we can pencil in Ohio State with a lighter shade, and perhaps Oklahoma.
Clemson has to be the surest thing. What if they go 12-1 with a loss at ND say 35-21 and ND ends up being 9-3?
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Yeah, I'd give UNC a better shot in a regular season game, even at Clemson, than in the ACC title game on a neutral field.
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I think we can pencil in Ohio State with a lighter shade, and perhaps Oklahoma.
Clemson has to be the surest thing. What if they go 12-1 with a loss at ND say 35-21 and ND ends up being 9-3?
Ohio st. and OU play much better schedules. Much more likely to slip up and lose a game or two
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I think we can pencil in Ohio State with a lighter shade, and perhaps Oklahoma.
Clemson has to be the surest thing. What if they go 12-1 with a loss at ND say 35-21 and ND ends up being 9-3?
Clemson is weird because of that schedule.
They've not been burned by it, as all their one-loss teams have been in years where the field it a little thinner. But if they end up with one weird loss plus there are four other 1- or no-loss teams, it could get interesting if the ACC hasn't yet rebounded.
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unfortunately, I think Clemson has built enough respect from their performance on the field in the CFP that the relative strength of the ACC and their schedule won't be an issue if they only lose one game
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https://footballscoop.com/news/florida-state-players-threaten-boycott-after-mike-norvell-statement/ (https://footballscoop.com/news/florida-state-players-threaten-boycott-after-mike-norvell-statement/)
fsu having issues...
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https://footballscoop.com/news/florida-state-players-threaten-boycott-after-mike-norvell-statement/ (https://footballscoop.com/news/florida-state-players-threaten-boycott-after-mike-norvell-statement/)
fsu having issues...
Breaking: School that does War Chant not woke
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https://footballscoop.com/news/florida-state-players-threaten-boycott-after-mike-norvell-statement/ (https://footballscoop.com/news/florida-state-players-threaten-boycott-after-mike-norvell-statement/)
fsu having issues...
https://twitter.com/marvinwilson21/status/1268395525495193601
(https://twitter.com/marvinwilson21/status/1268395525495193601)Dumpster fire.
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https://twitter.com/marvinwilson21/status/1268395525495193601
(https://twitter.com/marvinwilson21/status/1268395525495193601)Dumpster fire.
I always wondered when a player would see some coach's fluff BS and say "Ehh, eff that guy."
Today is a day for that I guess.
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I always wondered when a player would see some coach's fluff BS and say "Ehh, eff that guy."
Today is a day for that I guess.
Clemson's players did that a couple days ago
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Coach Frost took some grief from his statement
wasn't bad, just wasn't good enough
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Clemson's players did that a couple days ago
doesn't seem to impact Clemson's recruiting at all. Winning 'chips and playing in the playoffs trump all else. I'm sure they'll be a OK. I think most people just kind of expected racism at Clemson. Racism in South Carolina? No way! If you made a list of the most racist states in the US, they'd all be in the south.
You'd think Harbaugh's "wokeness" and being a huge vocal supporter of Kapernick, calling for massive NCAA reform, and marching with protesters would help him get more high profile 'croots. Turns out getting your dick kicked in by Ohio State every year matters far more.
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https://footballscoop.com/news/texas-athletes-release-list-of-demands-for-campus-changes/ (https://footballscoop.com/news/texas-athletes-release-list-of-demands-for-campus-changes/)
Texas athletes release list of on campus changes they'd like to see.
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Ruh roh
https://twitter.com/Hubbard_RMN/status/1272601786449264642?s=19
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OAN???
I'll have to look that up
One America News Network, also known as One America News, is a far-right pro-Trump cable channel founded by Robert Herring, Sr., and owned by Herring Networks, Inc.,
so, is Robert Herring a known racist?
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I basically took 2 mins to look up OAN.. never heard of it before
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I basically took 2 mins to look up OAN.. never heard of it before
I heard of it only because they allow one of theirs at the press briefings and they always ask the softest of softball leading questions.
It's trying to outflank Fox News, who according to some folks is now too liberal.
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Never heard of it. Certainly not my cup of tea.
Coaches are always telling kids that EVERYTHING they put on social media can have repercussions, so they need to understand that. It's Gundy's right to wear that shirt, but it's not necessarily a good idea and it's obviously not going to be free from repercussions.
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can't see if the hat says, M.A.G.A. under the sunglasses
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It's a f'ing t-shirt. Would it be OK if it said "CNN" on it?
Is this where we are?
WTF is wrong with people?
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It's a f'ing t-shirt. Would it be OK if it said "CNN" on it?
Is this where we are?
WTF is wrong with people?
OAN isn't news. It's just basic propaganda. It's not like CNN and should be rejected because propaganda loosely disguised as news should be rejected.
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That's not the point. It's a T-shirt.
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it's a message on a T-shirt
it could say, Black Lives Matter
it could say many things - It could say "Boomer Sooner" it doesn't
it's a statement - apparently the grown man with the mullet is proud of the statement
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I lean to thinking every news outlet is "propaganda", some are slicker at it than others.
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American's are pendulum swingers... we over compensate/correct....
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I lean to thinking every news outlet is "propaganda", some are slicker at it than others.
Yeah but simply comparing these propaganda networks to CNN as if they are remotely the same thing is kind of silly. It's like saying a Harlequin romance and Romeo and Juliet are the same quality because they both contain words.
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I personally never compared OAN with CNN of course, so that is a straw man, other than noting I lean to thinking they ALL are propaganda outlets, which indeed i is my opinion. Some are slicker at it than others.
I've never watched a second of OAN and would not know they existed were it not for some posters posting links to them, and that I heard one of their "reporters" at the Presidential press thingee asking some softball leading questions. So, I have only a vague and indirect opinion about OAN, and have no desire to further develop said opinion.
I have seen how an interview can be distorted by the media firsthand, and for no obvious reason. I think some of that is haste and some sloppiness.
I have seen how 60 Minutes starts with a conclusion and then force fits the story to conform to said conclusion.
The media outlets with few exceptions are commercial enterprises and their objective is profits, meaning eyeballs, meaning they pander to their viewers with confirmation bias.
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Exactly.
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The media outlets with few exceptions are commercial enterprises and their objective is profits, meaning eyeballs, meaning they pander to their viewers with confirmation bias.
slimeballs
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OK, let's not screw up the thread any more than we already have. I'm sorry I brought up my point.
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Apparently, the compromise at oSu addressed some very important issues.
Doug Gottlieb
@GottliebShow
Oklahoma State player demands a change in policy - 1) Earrings 2)Du-Rag/Wave-Cap 3)Ability to Sag pants 4) Hair 5) Music - Music previoisly could not contain curse words, derogatory language toward women/race - These were damands, all agreed to by Gundy
#NoSarcasm
June 16
Not.
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https://twitter.com/CoachGundy/status/1273002885283020809?s=19
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Apparently, the compromise at oSu addressed some very important issues.
Not.
Not sure I trust Gottlieb, but it's no surprise to see there are probably a lot of rules aimed at black kids for no real reason
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That's not the point. It's a T-shirt.
I'd ordinarily agree with you, but not with this. Even having that t-shirt says something, and it's not good, especially for a leader of 50 young black men.
If i was one of them, the picture would suddenly alienate me from my HC, fair or not. That is the only repercussion he should face, and it's a biggie.
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A HC needs to be totally PC to the extent possible today, and bland and boring.
It's part of the job. Anything that can be construed as "extreme" will be, in either direction.
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I'd ordinarily agree with you, but not with this. Even having that t-shirt says something, and it's not good, especially for a leader of 50 young black men.
If i was one of them, the picture would suddenly alienate me from my HC, fair or not. That is the only repercussion he should face, and it's a biggie.
I basically agree. I’m sure there are a lot of coaches who have political beliefs that differ from those of the majority of their players. They certainly have the right to express those beliefs but risk losing the locker room.
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Yeah but simply comparing these propaganda networks to CNN as if they are remotely the same thing is kind of silly. It's like saying a Harlequin romance and Romeo and Juliet are the same quality because they both contain words.
If you believe this, I have a bridge to sell ya.
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A HC needs to be totally PC to the extent possible today, and bland and boring.
It's part of the job. Anything that can be construed as "extreme" will be, in either direction.
That's a pretty common attitude among pretty much everyone in a position of leadership. It's worth thinking about those things in relation to the protests - it certainly feels like the leaders follow the people more than the other way around.
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If I view them ALL as propagandistic, I'm not comparing them internally, obviously. I'm sure some are better than others. Usually, "better" means the version that is most aligned with your personal beliefs.
I try and read a range of new reports from differing outlets. I OFTEN find one type will ignore a known set of facts and hype another, and the other does the reverse. It happens routinely, one news outlet will feature a story prominently and another will have it on page 27, below the fold, so to speak, and leave out relevant information that appears to be accurate.
I think all of that qualifies as propaganda. Bias in reportage, whatever you want to call it. They start with a conclusion and then fit the data to said conclusion.
The COVID reportage is but one recent example.
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If you believe this, I have a bridge to sell ya.
Hopefully not a collapsed one
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A HC needs to be totally PC to the extent possible today, and bland and boring.
It's part of the job. Anything that can be construed as "extreme" will be, in either direction.
If I'm a head coach for a P5 school, every piece of clothing I'm seen in will either not have a logo/etc of any type, or will have the school's logo.
And there'd certainly be nothing that shows any political stance of any type.
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If I'm a head coach for a P5 school, every piece of clothing I'm seen in will either not have a logo/etc of any type, or will have the school's logo.
And there'd certainly be nothing that shows any political stance of any type.
Yep.
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If I'm a head coach for a P5 school, every piece of clothing I'm seen in will either not have a logo/etc of any type, or will have the school's logo.
And there'd certainly be nothing that shows any political stance of any type.
That's my issue. Read the room. It's like failing a drug test at the combine. Do I care if the players smoke weed? Nope. I care that they don't take literally the only meaningful audition of their entire professional career seriously enough to abstain from it for a short period of time.
Gundy can believe what he believes, and I wouldn't support Oklahoma State firing him over it. But you have a room of 100 18-22 year old, mostly black, men, who you are coaching. And a big part of your job is convincing 15-17 year old black men, and their parents, to come play for you. If they don't want to play for you because they disagree with your beliefs, then that's a performance issue.
Wearing that shirt, no matter your beliefs, in the industry he's in, is a failure of intelligence at the very least.
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Wearing that shirt, no matter your beliefs, in the industry he's in, is a failure of intelligence at the very least.
well, Mike is a born and bred Okie with a mullet
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I'm really surprised OSU is allowing music that is derogatory towards women... feels like that will blow up in their faces.
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Doc Tom would have retired first
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Doc Tom would have retired first
He wouldn't have worn anything with OLN on it. It's garbage and he's not.
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Doc Tom would have retired first
Eh? Really?
(https://www.dailynews.com/wp-content/uploads/migration/2016/201601/SPORTS_160119802_AR_0_HVSKSEGOSZMY.jpg)
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Doc Tom would have retired first
Before doing what?
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before allowing the music demanded by Chuba Hubba
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I really have trouble believing that the players specifically asked for music that is derogatory toward women to be allowed in the locker room.
That is someone putting their spin on it.
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I hope your are correct
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That's my issue. Read the room. It's like failing a drug test at the combine. Do I care if the players smoke weed? Nope. I care that they don't take literally the only meaningful audition of their entire professional career seriously enough to abstain from it for a short period of time.
Gundy can believe what he believes, and I wouldn't support Oklahoma State firing him over it. But you have a room of 100 18-22 year old, mostly black, men, who you are coaching. And a big part of your job is convincing 15-17 year old black men, and their parents, to come play for you. If they don't want to play for you because they disagree with your beliefs, then that's a performance issue.
Wearing that shirt, no matter your beliefs, in the industry he's in, is a failure of intelligence at the very least.
95 percent (or less) of conservatives are NOT racists. I only know of one racist in my circle of knowing people (a big number).
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I hope your are correct
I mean, come on. Do we really think Hubbard and his teammates said, “Coach, it’s important to us that we are allowed to listen to music that is demeaning toward women.”
My guess would be they have asked for rap music to be allowed and someone who doesn’t like rap music has editorialized the request.
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95 percent (or less) of conservatives are NOT racists. I only know of one racist in my circle of knowing people (a big number).
No, I know. But OAN is beyond conservative, it's far right wing. And whether or not it's fair isn't even the issue, it's the perception when your job is literally convincing young black men to come play for you and then do what you are telling them to do, it's incredibly stupid. I work in the energy industry. I wouldn't wear a Greenpeace shirt to go jogging in.
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I mean, come on. Do we really think Hubbard and his teammates said, “Coach, it’s important to us that we are allowed to listen to music that is demeaning toward women.”
My guess would be they have asked for rap music to be allowed and someone who doesn’t like rap music has editorialized the request.
I'm guessing they asked for a specific song or album?
of course there aren't many rap hits that aren't demeaning toward women
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Apparently Gottlieb is already walking back what he reported.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/247sports.com/Article/Mike-Gundy-Chuba-Hubbard-Doug-Gottlieb-apologizes-for-report-of-Oklahoma-State-football-demands-148266702/Amp/
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Apparently Gottlieb is already walking back what he reported.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/247sports.com/Article/Mike-Gundy-Chuba-Hubbard-Doug-Gottlieb-apologizes-for-report-of-Oklahoma-State-football-demands-148266702/Amp/
Our local radio guy absolutely hates Gottlieb
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Our local radio guy absolutely hates Gottlieb
Everyone does
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Gottlieb is a complete douche.
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95 percent (or less) of conservatives are NOT racists. I only know of one racist in my circle of knowing people (a big number).
I haven't seen one second of OAN, but from reading about it, it seems that its "news" portion is pretty straight, but then its "opinion" section is near-lunatic-fringe.
Giving Mullet-Head Gundy the benefit of the doubt (which I am loath to do, as he is a dumb-ass), maybe all he has seen is the "news."
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I'm guessing they asked for a specific song or album?
of course there aren't many rap hits that aren't demeaning toward women
That's the deal. Listening to rap music by definition means "probably listening to lyrics that demean women."