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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: medinabuckeye1 on November 06, 2017, 10:46:52 AM
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I'm ready to move on to next week!
If Michigan State wins they almost clinch the B1G-E. They would effectively have a three game lead on all contenders. After beating the Buckeyes, all the Spartans would have to do to get to Indianapolis is win either of their last two games (vUMD, @RU).
The situation for a victorious Ohio State is almost as good. The Buckeyes haven't played Michigan yet which leaves open the possibility of a 7-2 Ohio State losing a tiebreaker to a 7-2 Michigan but that is extremely unlikely because both PSU and MSU have pretty easy schedules the rest of the way and if Ohio State is involved in a three or four team tie with the Wolverines and either the Spartans or the Nittany Lions or both, Ohio State wins that tie.
Bottom line, the winner of this game is extremely likely to go to Indianapolis.
How will the game go? Who knows. If Michigan State responds to their win over PSU as poorly as Ohio State did, the Bucks will roll. If Ohio State looks like they did against Iowa, the Spartans will roll.
One concern for me as an Ohio State fan is the ability of the Buckeyes to play without the CFP / potential National Championship as a motivating factor. No current Buckeye player has ever played a regular season College Football game in which their team was not a factor in the CFP race. That will change Saturday. If the Buckeyes see that as the end of the season and mail-it-in, the Spartans will easily make them pay for it.
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I have no idea what to expect.
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I have no idea what to expect.
Looking at these two teams' last two games, it is really hard to know what to expect.
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Bosa was ejected in the first half vs. Iowa so he'll be back?
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Bosa is back, ejected in 1st half so he's allowed to play the entire game.
Vegas has the Spartans as a 15 point underdog, lol, thanks a lot vegas, that pretty much guarantees a dantonio win.
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I agree with the above posters, I have no clue about this game. Does this OSU team have any pride? I think JT does, I think a guy like Hubbard does, but the other guys?
MSU is playing with a chip on their shoulder, their defense is obviously pretty stout. If Lewerke keeps up his 400 yards passing per game, which against these OSU Linebackers and secondary certainly seems possible, then I think MSU has an excellent chance. recent history they've played OSU better in the Shoe anyways.
unfortunately the early forescast shows sun for the game, but I'm sure Dantonio can whip up a monsoon by Saturday.
I think for Ohio State to be successful the offense has to do a better job controlling the clock, and they need to start running the football. I still believe JT is a good college QB, but the defense obviously is not as stout as we were led to believe before the season started.
it would probably help if OSU doesn't spot it's opponents TDs in the first avg of 8 seconds per game, that's not a positive trend.
I really don't want to pick this game, but I will anyways. I guess I'll take MSU 31-24. I think they are riding an emotional high and OSU was just crushed. If Sparty can get out to quick lead the OSU defense might fold again like last week.
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I would favor MSU at this point, inasmuch as they have a much more potent version of Iowa's Offense.
The special teams differential is no doubt quite vast, and Dantonio is gonna have his D ready to go full throttle.
Since the Rose Bowl is a semifinal, that means the B1G Ten Ccg winner doesn't go, no?
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I have no idea what to expect.
This.
I assume it will be a tightly contested game as every one between these teams has been, but I wouldn't exactly guarantee it. Who the f*** knows.
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I would favor MSU at this point, inasmuch as they have a much more potent version of Iowa's Offense.
The special teams differential is no doubt quite vast, and Dantonio is gonna have his D ready to go full throttle.
Since the Rose Bowl is a semifinal, that means the B1G Ten Ccg winner doesn't go, no?
I'm not sure about that yet. Iowa is looking like it is really starting to click, finally.
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I'm not sure about that yet. Iowa is looking like it is really starting to click, finally.
im guessing the Wisconsin/iowa total points scored is less than the 55 Iowa scored last week.
(https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=reporttm;topic=1317.8;msg=17070)
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I'm not sure about that yet. Iowa is looking like it is really starting to click, finally.
They clicked last week. That was the first time in conference play, outside of one quarter against FCS Illinois. 17 against Minnesota the week before, 10 against Northwestern the week before that. Then 24 against Illinois (including a defensive score), until the 4th; 10 against Michigan State; 19 against Penn State.
Iowa fans were openly wondering if they'd hit double digits. 55 truly came out of nowhere.
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old Dantonio (one of my favorites by the way, along with ferentz) got a gift. OSU being favored is ridiculous!
The home team has not won in this series since 2007.
Ohio State just played its first pro style offense of the year, and were totally demolished, confused, and out of place. MSU and UM are drooling...as they should be.
Sadly- even though these games are typically close, I don't see this one being that way. MSU by 14 or more.
They wont admit this but they got so cocky with where they were after PSU, those coaches did not put in the time or detail to prepare for what they were walking into.
Unfortunately- recognizing how well MSU is running and throwing and defending--and trying to prepare now is way too late. Your team has no confidence, in each other or the other side of the ball (offense and defense). that is going to a gunfight with the yips.
My guess is the damage is done.
Football at this level is so much more mental and emotional then most think. That's how an NFL team can lose 5 times including getting blown out, and still win it all.
Leadership/coaching is a very fragile thing sometimes.
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Is there any result that would surprise anyone?
I honestly wouldn't be surprised by any of the following:
- A blowout (either way),
- A tightly contested good game where it looks like two heavyweight CFP Contenders going at it,
- A tightly contested sloppy game where it looks like two B1G bottom-feeders going at it.
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Football at this level is so much more mental and emotional then most think. That's how an NFL team can lose 5 times including getting blown out, and still win it all.
I agree that the mental aspect of the game is important and sometimes underappreciated. However, I think that you are only looking at one side of it.
Mental possibilities that favor Michigan State:
- That Ohio State may feel that the season is over (because the CFP is gone) and "mail-it-in".
- That Ohio State's confidence in themselves and each other may be shot by the humiliation in Iowa City.
- That Michigan State may feel confident and recharged now that they are legitimately playing for a B1G-E Championship.
Mental possibilities that favor Ohio State:
- That Ohio State may feel hungry and angry and show up with a chip on their shoulder and something to prove.
- That Michigan State may feel overconfident after beating Penn State and watching Ohio State get humiliated in Iowa City.
Both teams have been up-and-down not only this season but just in the last two weeks. That is why I just have no idea what to expect here.
Angry/hungry Ohio State with something to prove vs overconfident MSU = Ohio State blowout win.
Dejected/mailing-it-in Ohio State vs confident MSU playing for a B1G-E Championship = MSU blowout win.
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This should be a hell of a tilt
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I'll just be happy if the defense plays like it has a clue. Terrible defense is hurts me in my soul.
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I'll just be happy if the defense plays like it has a clue. Terrible defense is hurts me in my soul.
the linebackers are soooo bad. what happened to Baker? he was supposed to be an all American. booker and Worley have absolutely no clue what's going on.
give me some Tuf Borland, can't be any worse.
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I always seemed to like watching this game, well before N joined the B1G. Maybe it was the 90s edition upset.
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I'll be watching........
winner of the east to match up with the Badgers and no rematch from the reg season!
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I'll be watching........
winner of the east to match up with the Badgers and no rematch from the reg season!
We've gotten pretty lucky. I think only the first version (2011 MSU-UW) featured a rematch.
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Well the odds are pretty slim as Wisconsin always wins the B1G West, while their fixed crossover is Michigan; a team that rarely finishes any higher than third in the B1G East.
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Well the odds are pretty slim as Wisconsin always wins has won one in a row in the B1G West, while their fixed crossover is Michigan; a team that rarely never has finished any higher than third in the B1G East.
Fixed.
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We've gotten pretty lucky. I think only the first version (2011 MSU-UW) featured a rematch.
Wisconsin/Nebraska in 2012 was a rematch also.
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Fixed.
Two out of three and about to be three out of four.
2014: Wisconsin won the B1G-W by two games
2015: Wisconsin finished tied for second
2016: Wisconsin won the B1G-W by a game
2017: Wisconsin needs only to win one of their last three to win at least a share of the B1G-W and they will be in the B1GCG with just one more win.
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Well the odds are pretty slim as Wisconsin always wins the B1G West, while their fixed crossover is Michigan; a team that rarely finishes any higher than third in the B1G East.
just make sure this happens again this season as the Bucks were exposed by the Hawk's offense that looks a bit like Michigan's when Urban shows up in the Big House
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just make sure this happens again this season as the Bucks were exposed by the Hawk's offense that looks a bit like Michigan's when Urban shows up in the Big House
No worries.
Even if OSU loses out, Michigan is still likely to finish third, as they have already lost to Penn St and Sparty.
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This matchup has been quite the battle for a long time now.
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2017/11/87667/road-warriors-recapping-ohio-states-last-seven-match-ups-against-michigan-state (https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2017/11/87667/road-warriors-recapping-ohio-states-last-seven-match-ups-against-michigan-state)
you can see why:
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/forum/ohio-state-football/2017/11/87666/the-rundown-no-12-michigan-state-at-no-13-ohio-state (https://www.elevenwarriors.com/forum/ohio-state-football/2017/11/87666/the-rundown-no-12-michigan-state-at-no-13-ohio-state)
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No worries.
Even if OSU loses out, Michigan is still likely to finish third, as they have already lost to Penn St and Sparty.
I'd be derned worried about the Bucks finishing 4th!
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I'd be derned worried about the Bucks finishing 4th!
Things are trending that direction, no doubt.
Could be worse...
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could be worse
4th in the West is much worse
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I think Urban shudders at the thought of finishing 4th in the east, so he will find a way to beat Sparty on Saturday
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Sparty has a far better chance at beating OSU than Michigan does.
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OSU needs to simplify things on defense. They have strong athletes, but it was obvious against Iowa that they were lost on their assignments. I've read from some that they were running too many different coverages as a possible reason for the confusion. Regardless, if they can't stop the run or cover tight ends they won't beat MSU or Michigan.
The offense is less of a problem. They've been good all year and had a lot of success against Iowa. Iowa had a smart gameplan and were able to recognize and jump some routes that turned into interceptions. That's not necessarily surprising - OSU is in year one of a new system and it will evolve. They had good counters and were able to get some wide open guys, so I don't think there is any systemic problems with the offense (unlike last year). The defense though...
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Sparty has a far better chance at beating OSU than Michigan does.
Sparty's passing game more of a threat than Jimmy's running game?
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Sparty's passing game more of a threat than Jimmy's running game?
yes
Ohio State's been burnt more by air than ground this year, despite Iowa destroying our overrated D line.
best D line in history is 33rd in nation in sacks?
Michigan will be a problem because they'll throw to their TE and RBs, which OSU has yet to figure out how to stop. I think UMs run game has improved a lot, but I don't see a total gamebreaker in the backfield that can totally dominant OSU up in AA.
Sparty will be a bigger problem, because they have (at this point) a more established QB that can probably take more advantage of those issues, plus from what I've seen, their WRs are playing pretty well. and LJ is an established back. really surprised he's only avg like 68 yards per game? well, wadley was only avg like 80 per game and he shredded OSU so who knows
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MSU injury report looks pretty similar to last week. Interior DL is the only injury depletion issue. Gerald Owens missed last week and is questionable to go this week. Mike Panasiuk left the game, and didn't return/ Would put them down 2 in the 2 deep, but if converted OT Kyonta Stallworth can keep up the work he showed against Penn State, that will certainly be well received. Kid had 4 career tackles, and had been largely written off by the fan base, buried on the depth chart, after converting from the position he was brought in at (as a 4*). Then went had had 6 tackles in about 3 quarters in the rotation against Penn State.
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Sparty's passing game more of a threat than Jimmy's running game?
Well, they did beat Michigan on the road, so...
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The offense is less of a problem. They've been good all year and had a lot of success against Iowa. Iowa had a smart gameplan and were able to recognize and jump some routes that turned into interceptions. That's not necessarily surprising - OSU is in year one of a new system and it will evolve. They had good counters and were able to get some wide open guys, so I don't think there is any systemic problems with the offense (unlike last year). The defense though...
You can talk about evolving systems all you want.Those were fundamental sandlot mistakes & throws twice into double coverage.Read & react the game is to fast to analyse every scheme and formation.Follow the damn ball when all else fails.They got worked/woodshedded/waterboarded all in one afternoon and that's all there really is to it
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I'll just be happy if the defense plays like it has a clue. Terrible defense is hurts me in my soul.
the linebackers are soooo bad. what happened to Baker? he was supposed to be an all American. booker and Worley have absolutely no clue what's going on.
give me some Tuf Borland, can't be any worse.
Tuf has been a pin your ears back attack the QB/RB type linebacker. Have we seen him in pass protect?
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Two weeks ago it felt like reality had finally set in. The Buckeyes had seized control of the East Division, and Michigan State couldn't win every close game forever, and was about to begin a three game slide with Penn State and Ohio State to follow. But the Spartans bounced back and upset Penn State, while Ohio State, who had decimated all of the unranked teams on the schedule, were annihilated in Kinnick. So we are back to sort of where we have been more often than not since 2013, with the winner of MSU-OSU controlling their own destiny. Ohio State limps back home to the friendly confines of the Shoe, but in this series, that might not be the best thing. The Buckeyes have won six straight in East Lansing, their last loss coming in 1999; while Michigan State has won the last three played outside Spartan Stadium, two in a row in Columbus, plus the 2013 Big Ten Championship Game. One thing this series has frequently produced over the past six matchups, three wins by each, is defensive struggles. The winning team has failed to break 17 in 4 of those 6 matchups, including a 10-7 Michigan State win in 2011. J.T. Barrett had his coming out party against Michigan State in 2014, lighting the Spartans up deep over and over, which hasn't really been his game since. That might be a good thing, because unlike the last three incarnations of Dantonio's defense, this one excels guarding the deep ball. It's been the underneath stuff, particularly exploiting the tackling deficiencies that has proven most successful. Ohio State's secondary leaves much to be desired. It was thought the nation's best defensive line would help cover some of that up with an unrelenting pass rush. Instead the Buckeyes are only tied for 5th in the conference in sacks. For all the run game struggles, the Spartans line has done a good job keeping Lewerke upright, and when they haven't he has quickly developed a sense of when to bail. The playcalling, even in adverse weather, last week shows the level of confidence in the Michigan State run game. The offensive line is generating nothing, and when they do, L.J. Scott has repeatedly put the ball on the ground. For better or worse, the Spartans' three headed backfield is down to just Scott, with Gerald Holmes barely playing with an injury, and Madre London relegated to spot duty, not even registering a touch last week. If Scott avoids fumbles, he's the only one of the three that can make something of the nothing his line is providing. For Ohio State, Barrett needs to get back to being Barrett. Dantonio's plan is likely going to be to take away the backs and force Barrett to beat them, as has been the plan against Ohio State since Meyer arrived. The Spartan front seven is stout against the run, and for as bad as the back four are in tackling, the front seven has been that good. The problem is they lack the athleticism to get out in space. Even in the loss last week, Ohio State averaged 5.4 ypc. As well as Barrett had been playing, 4 picks seems tough to repeat.
OHIO STATE 34, MICHIGAN STATE 26
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This matchup has been quite the battle for a long time now.
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2017/11/87667/road-warriors-recapping-ohio-states-last-seven-match-ups-against-michigan-state (https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2017/11/87667/road-warriors-recapping-ohio-states-last-seven-match-ups-against-michigan-state)
you can see why:
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/forum/ohio-state-football/2017/11/87666/the-rundown-no-12-michigan-state-at-no-13-ohio-state (https://www.elevenwarriors.com/forum/ohio-state-football/2017/11/87666/the-rundown-no-12-michigan-state-at-no-13-ohio-state)
For most of my lifetime this "rivalry" was almost a non-event. From 1975-2008 the Buckeyes went 20-4 against the Spartans. The only losses were in the Coaching transition years of 1987 (last year of Bruce) and 1988 (first year of Cooper) and then the spectacular upset in 1998 and MSU's win over a rebuilding Ohio State team in 1999.
After that these two teams took a couple years off (2009-2010) and since then this series has been one of the most important in the B1G:
- In 2011 the Spartans won in Columbus and went on to play in the inaugural B1GCG.
- In 2012 the Buckeyes won in East Lansing and finished undefeated (ineligible for postseason play).
- In 2013 the Spartans beat the Buckeyes in the B1GCG (last year of Legends/Leaders).
- In 2014 the Buckeyes beat the Spartans in East Lansing and went on to win the B1G-E, the B1G, and the CFP.
- In 2015 the Spartans beat the Buckeyes in Columbus and went on to win the B1G-E and the B1G and get a berth in the CFP.
- In 2016 the Buckeyes beat the Spartans in East Lansing and went on to a berth in the CFP.
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Making my first trip to Ohio Stadium this Saturday. Any parking/food tips from the resident buckeye fans I need to know?
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Making my first trip to Ohio Stadium this Saturday. Any parking/food tips from the resident buckeye fans I need to know?
Are you leaving right after or sticking around for a while?
If you want to get in/out quickly I recommend parking at the Ohio State Fairgrounds and taking the bus. The cost is reasonable and you get in/out probably quicker than you would otherwise but the buses only run for a few hours after the game ends so this does not work if you plan to stay a while.
If you are coming from the North, the best parking for you is probably off of Ackerman Rd near the intersection of Ackerman and Fred Taylor:
- Take US 23 or 33 to I270
- Take I270 to SR 315 South
- Take SR 315 South to Ackerman Rd.
- Turn Left at the bottom of the ramp and drive a short distance to Fred Taylor Dr.
- Fred Taylor goes to the Right (toward the BB arena and beyond that the Shoe) but there is also parking here to the Left. Either way works.
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Tuf has been a pin your ears back attack the QB/RB type linebacker. Have we seen him in pass protect?
no, but does it matter? regular LBs aren't good in passing downs, or running downs for that matter
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- Take US 23 or 33 to I270
- Take I270 to SR 315 South
- Take SR 315 South to Ackerman Rd.
- Turn Left at the bottom of the ramp and drive a short distance to Fred Taylor Dr.
- Fred Taylor goes to the Right (toward the BB arena and beyond that the Shoe) but there is also parking here to the Left. Either way works.
315 South coming from the north was closed a couple weeks ago, im guessing still closed? im not sure from the opposite direction on 270
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- Take US 23 or 33 to I270
- Take I270 to SR 315 South
- Take SR 315 South to Ackerman Rd.
- Turn Left at the bottom of the ramp and drive a short distance to Fred Taylor Dr.
- Fred Taylor goes to the Right (toward the BB arena and beyond that the Shoe) but there is also parking here to the Left. Either way works.
315 South coming from the north was closed a couple weeks ago, im guessing still closed? im not sure from the opposite direction on 270
Oh, sorry. Didn't know that.
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perfect timing to start road construction project
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Are you leaving right after or sticking around for a while?
If you want to get in/out quickly I recommend parking at the Ohio State Fairgrounds and taking the bus. The cost is reasonable and you get in/out probably quicker than you would otherwise but the buses only run for a few hours after the game ends so this does not work if you plan to stay a while.
If you are coming from the North, the best parking for you is probably off of Ackerman Rd near the intersection of Ackerman and Fred Taylor:
- Take US 23 or 33 to I270
- Take I270 to SR 315 South
- Take SR 315 South to Ackerman Rd.
- Turn Left at the bottom of the ramp and drive a short distance to Fred Taylor Dr.
- Fred Taylor goes to the Right (toward the BB arena and beyond that the Shoe) but there is also parking here to the Left. Either way works.
When they tear down St John Arena they should put about a twenty story parking garage in it's place.
But they won't.
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perfect timing to start road construction project
Whatever it takes to keep JT off the road.
#noljscottresponsesplease
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he should have drove to I.C.
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Making my first trip to Ohio Stadium this Saturday. Any parking/food tips from the resident buckeye fans I need to know?
Welcome back to the fold old friend. Glad you were able to find us.
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Making my first trip to Ohio Stadium this Saturday. Any parking/food tips from the resident buckeye fans I need to know?
Do not take your car if it has Michigan plates and/or Sparty bumper stickers, etc.
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All of my car magnets got stolen in Columbus, and a little key job happened too on my hood. Shame on me for not removing the magnets when we left the car.
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Do not take your car if it has Michigan plates and/or Sparty bumper stickers, etc.
Funny you say my GF just moved to Michigan from Maryland in Aug. So im taking her car as it still has Maryland plates
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Are you leaving right after or sticking around for a while?
If you want to get in/out quickly I recommend parking at the Ohio State Fairgrounds and taking the bus. The cost is reasonable and you get in/out probably quicker than you would otherwise but the buses only run for a few hours after the game ends so this does not work if you plan to stay a while.
If you are coming from the North, the best parking for you is probably off of Ackerman Rd near the intersection of Ackerman and Fred Taylor:
- Take US 23 or 33 to I270
- Take I270 to SR 315 South
- Take SR 315 South to Ackerman Rd.
- Turn Left at the bottom of the ramp and drive a short distance to Fred Taylor Dr.
- Fred Taylor goes to the Right (toward the BB arena and beyond that the Shoe) but there is also parking here to the Left. Either way works.
Love the idea of taking a bus for easy in and easy out. will look into that for sure
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The buses are probably pretty packed. You'd be lucky to find standing room.
Not to mention that getting on the bus would be more of a free for all than a single file line.
Personally I'd elect to hoof it from either of those locations as both are only a mile or so from the Stadium. But that's just me.
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The buses are probably pretty packed. You'd be lucky to find standing room.
Not to mention that getting on the bus would be more of a free for all than a single file line.
Personally I'd elect to hoof it from either of those locations as both are only a mile or so from the Stadium. But that's just me.
Ah MSU has a commuter lot that does buses and its pretty organized. pretty easy on and then after you end up waiting in a line but your normally back to your car in 30-45 minutes and then dont have to deal with traffic.
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Heh, oh well. Lack of athleticism reared its very ugly head today
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Apparently the initial final score Tweet from MSU footballs official account had the score flipped, before they fixed it. Imagine if you hadn't been able to watch and saw that, just to have it fixed? Talk about gut punch.
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Didn't see that coming at all. Who the hell saw Iowa blowing the doors off OSU last week though? Or Ohio State making that epic comeback in the 2nd half vs PSU to win by 1 point. Ohio State might be the most Jekyll-Hyde team in the conference. Who the hell knows what you're going to get out of them from week to week.
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Well, that sucked. Whatever. Just don't let it impact next week. Finish the season 9-3 and I'm ecstatic.
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Well, that sucked. Whatever. Just don't let it impact next week. Finish the season 9-3 and I'm ecstatic.
Yea at the end of the day this game was house money. 9-3 with a young team heading into next year would be amazing after last year.
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''I look at Ohio State and they've lost two games and I had to listen to how poorly the media treated Urban Meyer this week, to be quite honest. And I listened to all the things he was hearing, which I'm sure I'll hear now.''
-- Dantonio.
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''I look at Ohio State and they've lost two games and I had to listen to how poorly the media treated Urban Meyer this week, to be quite honest. And I listened to all the things he was hearing, which I'm sure I'll hear now.''
-- Dantonio.
Truth. Bunch of idiots out there. Dantonio is a hell of a coach. So is Urban. Probably the best coaches those schools have ever had.
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I doubt he hears much. Different expectations in general, and specifically this year. This was a possible national championship year for OSU, and they have two losses. They have by far the most talent in the conference and got housed by Iowa.
I think the most optimistic MSU fans were hoping for 7-5 going into the year, and now 9-3 is very much on the table.
OSU has more talent. Both teams bring their A games, OSU wins by a couple touchdowns. MSU brings their A game, and OSU brings a C game, MSU has a shot. What happened was the opposite of that, and that's what happens.
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I have been so wrong about this Buckeye team all season. I give up, Go Bucks! Win the Turtle, and Beat TTUN!
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Well they finally gave the ball to their 2 most dynamic players in dobbins and Weber and it paid off. Not sure why it 10 games to figure it out, but I don't get paid a mill to call plays.
The defense played very well, but lewerke misfired on virtually every throw in the 1st half, and the Spartan rush attack that struggled all year continued to do so.
Now that the offense has the run attack figured out will schiano play Borland over booker? And maybe even Harrison more to spell baker.
Maybe more importantly can OSU play with the same focus and intensity their next 2-3 games?