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Title: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on January 17, 2020, 11:46:11 AM
Also for PAC 12 Off-season content leading into the games next season: 

So far USC is racking up all the headlines to start the off-season - retaining Clay Helton, which turned the fans against the new AD & University President; the firing of several coaches to include DC Clancy Pendergast, but surprisingly managing to hold onto Graham Harrell after Texas (his home state) offered him a ton of $$$; last but not least, thier early period signing class was so bad (78th nationally) it made national headlines. 

Stay tuned, lot going on elsewhere across the PAC 12...
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on January 21, 2020, 06:20:35 PM
Let's what's going on across the street at UCLA. (Hint: Not any better.) Going into Chip Kelly's THIRD season now, the Bruins are STILL bleeding their roster:

From one of their blogs:
"It would also help if they could retain players, but once again we’re in the middle of another offseason exodus of UCLA players. NBCSports highlighted the fact that, as of Monday, UCLA has had 13 players enter the transfer portal this offseason. While some of the names in the portal were non-contributors, the big news was last week when two-year offensive line starter Christophany Murray entered his name into the portal. Murray was not at risk of losing a starting job. If anything, the question was going to be whether he would stick at right guard or shift over to center. Instead, he’ll be leaving Westwood and one has to wonder why a two-year starter at a position of need would feel compelled to seek his fortunes elsewhere.

Let me give a basic read of the situation: the exodus of players after Chip Kelly’s hiring was understandable and was perhaps the most normal part of Kelly’s tenure so far, even if it seemed a little excessive. Even the further exodus of players following that first season made some level of sense, though it was a bit worrying. Having another wave of transfers after two years? That’s a gigantic red flag, especially when those transfers include impact starters like Christophany Murray and Theo Howard. It was reported last October that 63 players had left the program. When you add the 13 that have entered the transfer portal so far this year, we’re up to 76 players who have left since Chip Kelly took over. There are only 85 scholarship positions on the team! You could almost field an entire D1 football program with UCLA transfers! Any coach with the ability to self-reflect and look at this might realize there are some flaws with their style."

https://www.bruinsnation.com/hair-of-the-bear/2020/1/16/21066284/hair-of-the-bear-football-blues-ad-clues-basketball-woos


Safe to say the Chip Kelly era is a major disappointment.
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: DevilFroggy on January 22, 2020, 08:59:12 AM
Over on the inside ASU 247 board there was a decent contingent hoping we'd hire Chip to replace Graham, but I was actually among those who didn't want him. He was never fond of recruiting and Oregon has a lot more resources to assist coughPHILKNIGHTcough than ASU does, plus his tempo spread style is no longer as unique or innovative as it was even just 5 years ago.

The way things have unfolded at UCLA have really validated that but I definitely didn't see the mess he has at UCLA coming either.
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on January 23, 2020, 01:06:59 PM
As for ASU not hiring Chip Kelly, I'll admit, I thought it was a joke when Ray Anderson hired his buddy, Herm Edwards, who hadn't coached in years, much less recruited, and went on to spend most of the introductory press conference talking about turning ASU into an NFL factory.


Contrast that with Arizona rolling Sumlin right over from Texas A&M. His deep Texas recruiting ties should’ve carried over right with him – they haven’t. Instead the player development hasn’t been this poor since the Mackovic era. Same for recruiting and fan interest. And overall the talent on the roster hasn’t been this poor since the first few years of the Stoops era.

Meanwhile, ASU is recruiting very well, the QB situation is set for at least the next two seasons, the assistants are noticeable contributors, and players are getting drafted. 
Never would’ve guessed that Herm Edwards would have ASU on considerably better footing than Arizona and UCLA.

Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on February 05, 2020, 06:58:56 PM
Stanford's QB announces transfer to Mississippi St. 

https://twitter.com/kj_costello/status/1224467708252540929

IMO, Stanford has bigger problems getting back to winning 11 and 12 games every season, namely their thin rosters which derailed their season last year. They only had a roster of about 75 scholarship players to start the season last year, and once injuries and the meat of their schedule hit they didn't have the manpower to keep up, getting outscored massively in the second half of games as the season went along.

This after nearly a dozen other Stanford players entered the transfer portal after season's end (only 3 have transferred so far). 

Stanford signed a ranked class today (22nd nationally) but it's not enough to buoy the depth. Expect next year to follow closer to their unranked finishes as of late (9-4 & 4-8) rather than the 11 and 12 win bullies fielded earlier last decade.
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on February 12, 2020, 06:10:11 PM
For those who might not’ve heard by now - Colorado job is open.
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on February 25, 2020, 09:22:53 PM
Colorado hires Former UCLA coach Karl Dorrell, FIFTEEN after his last college job, which in CFB years feels like FIFTY.

Dorrell's hire is like a Big Ten school hiring Ron Zook. Both kept recruiting at a decent level, returned ho-hum results, everybody remembers their one resoundingly successful season (Dorrell: 10-2 Sun Bowl winners in 2005, Zook: Rose Bowl 2007), and lots of mid-level NFL experience since then.

Timewise, Dorrell's hire is like a political candidate or a business using MySpace for their social media platforming.

Two thoughts:

With the hire of Herm Edwards trending well enough, I wonder if this is Colorado's way of trying Arizona State's CEO approach.

With Karl Dorrell known for his popularity among his players, I wonder if this is Colorado's way of trying to put at ease the great signing class Mel Tucker left behind in Boulder.
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on February 25, 2020, 10:23:24 PM
good luck

Huskers visit Boulder in 2023
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: fezzador on February 27, 2020, 10:53:41 AM
The game nobody is talking about is NDSU @ Oregon to kick things off on September 5th.

On paper, the Ducks should roll, but then again, we've said the same thing about multiple other Power 5 teams only end up getting kicked in the teeth.  Oregon is more loaded than any of the other teams the Bison have faced so far, but they are also breaking in a brand-new QB.  NDSU is also a very physical team, something the Ducks don't get to see much of in PAC play (aside from Stanford).

If Oregon takes this game seriously (and they should), they can put the Bison away after 30-40 minutes.  If they don't, add another scalp to the Bison's resume.
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on February 27, 2020, 11:45:20 AM
I'm rooting for the Bizon
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: fezzador on February 27, 2020, 01:33:24 PM
Same.  It just occurred to me that Oregon and NDSU have the same color scheme (but the Bison's unis are definitely easier on the eyes).
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on February 27, 2020, 02:31:16 PM
and have more class

this from a Boomer
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on February 28, 2020, 07:44:14 PM
good luck

Huskers visit Boulder in 2023

Wasn’t Nebraska just in Boulder?

Anyway, who’s more likely to still be at their school by 2023? Dorrell or Frost?
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on February 28, 2020, 07:54:05 PM
Frost

:::fingers crossed::::
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on May 03, 2020, 08:11:48 PM
Listening to Cowherd’s radio show last week, and during Danny Kanell’s guest appearance, the business of PAC 12 football was discussed:

Cowherd:

The only thing that works now in linear TV is pro sports, so going forward pro sports franchises are going to be well capitalized. Meanwhile, college sports is slowly dying because they're not as well capitalized. College football is the last remaining college sport that's viable. And though they aren't like college basketball being eaten by the NBA here's what I think is the problem with college football - it's becoming too regional. The PAC 12 in turn is dying. And here's potentially the saving grace – the NCAA is now going to allow players to be paid for their likeness. Well guess where YouTube is located? Google? Apple? Hollywood? It could be the saving grace for the PAC 12. The Stanfords. The USCs. The UCLAs and the Oregons.

Kanell:

I think the PAC 12's biggest problem is that it's been deemed irrelevant due to the playoff format. The fact that there's only four teams...I think playoff expansion would help the PAC 12 way more than the name and likeness policy that would be implemented. But I do think it can help somewhat because a lot of those programs would have fans and boosters and supporters who would pay athletes to come to, say, maybe a movie premiere in LA? Maybe it's a Nike store opening in Eugene? But here's the problem, I don't know if that type of fanaticism would match that of Alabama fans, Texas fans, Auburn fans, Florida fans, Ohio State fans.

Cowherd:

It would not but at Apple last week, a story broke that they were interested in PAC 12 sports...why? Because Apple sees the future: if you pay kids for likeness, Apple could create companies to play PAC 12 football players thousands more than the Big Ten or SEC could.

Kanell:

If Apple did something with the PAC 12...because the PAC 12 network television deal has not been what the PAC 12 conference thought it was going to be - and there's a very specific reason that the Big Ten and SEC dominated this draft we just saw - it's because they bought the best players in the country. And when I say they bought the players I'm not referring to bagmen money under the table. SEC recruiting budgets are three times what some of these PAC 12 schools are. They're spending more to recruit the best players in the country. And that's where success comes from. College football is a talent acquisition business and if you're the PAC 12, and you can't spend as much because the revenue isn't coming in, then you're going to be at a disadvantage. That's why the Big Ten and SEC own college football right now. But, if you brought a player like Apple into the equation, who could have a really strong influx of cash into the PAC 12 schools, then all the sudden you're talking about a different landscape, where they could match the recruiting budgets of other conferences.
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: CWSooner on May 03, 2020, 08:19:04 PM
So West Coast fans will show up for college football games in greater numbers if school recruiting budgets are bigger?  Time will tell, I suppose.

But the evidence against that is that Pac-12 teams have relatively small recruiting budgets precisely because they have fewer fans who will attend their games week in and week out.
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on May 04, 2020, 10:14:15 AM
More PAC 12 thoughts from Cowherd:




“My other theory is that the PAC 12 cannot hang with the SEC and the Midwest in terms of interest in boosters. And the PAC 12's television contracts are terrible. Whereas the Big Ten and the SEC, they have dynamic TV deals because there's less pro sports in the cities those schools are located in. PAC 12 teams are located in cities with pro sports and so the PAC 12 conference is dead. And the PAC 12 TV deal stinks.

So Apple is now where a lot of PAC 12 graduates work and Apple TV is considering buying the PAC 12 and what does it mean? It means likeness, YouTube, all this stuff which the NCAA is moving toward favors Apple and favors the PAC 12, as our President would say, bigly. And I think Apple is going to buy the PAC 12 conference. It's going to be a massive, massive, billion dollar win for the PAC 12. And it's the only way they can now compete with SEC and Big Ten sports going forward. So two weeks ago when I saw the story about Apple is interested in the PAC 12, I thought ahhh...that's it! So that's my latest theory.”






Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: CWSooner on May 04, 2020, 10:42:00 AM
How will Apple money translate to more fans at Pac-12 games?
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 04, 2020, 10:43:53 AM
How will Apple money translate to more fans at Pac-12 games?
How Nike money translated to more Oregon fans at games?  Money - facilites - recruiting - winning - fans?
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: CWSooner on May 04, 2020, 11:04:27 AM
USC couldn't fill its stadium when it was winning NCs back in the '00s.
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on May 04, 2020, 04:38:14 PM
I'm not much likin' this likeness thing.
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: CWSooner on May 05, 2020, 01:11:43 AM
I'm not much likin' this likeness thing.
Nope.  I don't either.
The amateur model has long been broken.  This could break things even worse rather than fix them.
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on May 05, 2020, 10:31:11 AM
More from Cowherd relating to PAC 12 football:

“One of my theories I've talked about is my Green Plate dilemma in college football where the western kids are getting smaller because veganism is more popular and 'health and wellness' is much more of a West Coast thing than a Southern or Midwest thing. Mom's vegan, dad supports mom. More vegetables on the plate. Less meat. And as son gets smaller so do Pac 12 athletes. Kids are just getting smaller in California, the lineman are. That's one of my weird theories. But I've told this to Urban Meyer and others around the country. And coaches buy into it. They're seeing it too – it’s my Green Plate theory.”


Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: CWSooner on May 05, 2020, 10:38:43 AM
More from Cowherd relating to PAC 12 football:

“One of my theories I've talked about is my Green Plate dilemma in college football where the western kids are getting smaller because veganism is more popular and 'health and wellness' is much more of a West Coast thing than a Southern or Midwest thing. Mom's vegan, dad supports mom. More vegetables on the plate. Less meat. And as son gets smaller so do Pac 12 athletes. Kids are just getting smaller in California, the lineman are. That's one of my weird theories. But I've told this to Urban Meyer and others around the country. And coaches buy into it. They're seeing it too – it’s my Green Plate theory.”
Could Asian immigration be playing a part in that?  2nd- and 3rd-generation Asians in America typically have grown up bigger than folks in their ancestral countries, but still tend to be smaller than black and/or white American natives.  Increasing veganism could work to reverse that growth pattern.
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on May 05, 2020, 11:21:04 AM
Could Asian immigration be playing a part in that?  2nd- and 3rd-generation Asians in America typically have grown up bigger than folks in their ancestral countries, but still tend to be smaller than black and/or white American natives.  Increasing veganism could work to reverse that growth pattern.


Though I don't think that's anything Cowherd wanted to get into on his radio show, I absolutely think the West Coast's demographics play into not just (somewhat) waning player development, but fan interest and filling stadiums as well.

Asians males generally don't play high school football, much less college football, even if they grow up watching it. And though Hispanic males are active in high school football across the west, you don't see their numbers translate into college football as much as African Americans, of which both demographics have similar population size in the US.

However, Hispanic males do fill football stadiums and provide a huge TV audience for football, albeit mostly NFL. Working on a number of industrial job sites across Arizona and California, even the older Hispanic men who barely speak English have an NFL team. I've seen so many Cowboys, 49ers, Raiders, and Broncos stickers on hard hats of Hispanic construction workers. They just don't pay the same attention to college football.

To extend this to college football, let's compare UCLA to Michigan State or Auburn. Both the latter actively cultivate their students into lifelong fans and season ticket holders through a number of ways. It's a family thing, a campus wide thing, a local media thing, a statewide talking point. 

At UCLA there's almost no undergrad interest in going to the football games. The population is not just Asian (American) heavy, but it's also boasts large foreign Asian numbers that've never come across football until a few days after landing at LAX. UCLA casts a global admissions net resulting in the type of highly competitive undergrad, even within the US, that doesn't see the college experience as also rooting for the campus teams. 

Michigan has figured out to have it both ways. They net a plenty of foreign students and academically uphold a global reputation, yet Wolverines football is from what I can tell the single most followed team in the state of Michigan, whether college or pro, and fill their stadium. 
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: fezzador on May 05, 2020, 11:37:14 AM
Could Asian immigration be playing a part in that?  2nd- and 3rd-generation Asians in America typically have grown up bigger than folks in their ancestral countries, but still tend to be smaller than black and/or white American natives.  Increasing veganism could work to reverse that growth pattern.
If you count Polynesians as Asians, they are some of the largest human beings on Earth.  The PAC-12 and BYU have the Hawaiian/Samoan market cornered.
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: CWSooner on May 05, 2020, 12:14:57 PM
If you count Polynesians as Asians, they are some of the largest human beings on Earth.  The PAC-12 and BYU have the Hawaiian/Samoan market cornered.
I was thinking about Polynesians too.  But I think the Chinese-, Japanese-, and Korean-Americans on the West Coast far outnumber them.  Especially among P5 college students, which is where you build lifelong-fan relationships.
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: fezzador on May 05, 2020, 12:58:44 PM
I was thinking about Polynesians too.  But I think the Chinese-, Japanese-, and Korean-Americans on the West Coast far outnumber them.  Especially among P5 college students, which is where you build lifelong-fan relationships.
Don't forget about the ever-increasing numbers of South Asians (i.e. Indians, Pakistanis).  Loads of them can be found on West Coast campuses as well.

I don't have the numbers to back this up, but I'm pretty sure there are more medical doctors of South Asian descent in the U.S. than East Asian.  But there are more East Asian engineers than South Asian.
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on May 12, 2020, 02:38:03 PM
Leave it to the PAC 12 to be the first to begin serious consideration for backing out of games. 

Interesting thing is TCU opens the season Vs Cal in Berkeley. If they're already posturing to play Alabama they must be suspecting Cal might, like USC, be waffling. 

https://twitter.com/MichaelWBratton/status/1260207699800850432
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on May 12, 2020, 03:54:04 PM
My guess at this point is baseball starts early July with no fans, and a LOT of TV, and that model extends to football.

Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on May 12, 2020, 09:14:41 PM
Spring, Spring...~???

https://twitter.com/ColinCowherd/status/1260367991469834240
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on May 12, 2020, 09:17:58 PM
bad news
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on May 13, 2020, 10:25:22 AM
It’s nearly impossible not to point out the amount of political coding in how differently college football’s 2020 viability is addressed by (the state of) California/PAC 12 Vs (state of) Texas/SEC. Yesterday LA County authorities decided to mandate continued non-essential business closure until the END OF JULY! Additionally, California’s statewide university system has elected to remain online and campus-closed through the fall semester. 

From Nick Rolovich’s comments when asked his hopes regarding the upcoming season: “I think, in general, if we feel it’s safe enough to play, then I’d like to play. I know that the fans are part of the experience; they’re also part of the financial model. But that’s not in my job description. We’re just trying to hopefully get some games in this fall.” 

It’s a tempered understatement, which, IMO, speaks to all of the Pac 12’s coaches fear if the SEC/B10 football season proceeds without the PAC 12 this season. There’s already a growing gap between the football on the two coasts, and I can seriously see this being the point of no return. A lost season for the PAC 12 means recruits leave the west for programs east of the Rockies. A lost season also means coaches leaving and not being replaced with P5 level staffs.

Depending on how uncertain things get, I could see PAC 12 football falling to a status closure to that of a second Mountain West rather than maintaining their competencies alongside the other four P5 conferences.

Here’s a more positive take: 

https://twitter.com/PeteFiutak/status/1260379397149855746
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: ELA on May 13, 2020, 10:41:39 AM
Once they opted to stop playing in the CFP, this was probably the natural next step
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 13, 2020, 01:15:43 PM
It’s nearly impossible not to point out the amount of political coding in how differently college football’s 2020 viability is addressed by (the state of) California/PAC 12 Vs (state of) Texas/SEC. Yesterday LA County authorities decided to mandate continued non-essential business closure until the END OF JULY! Additionally, California’s statewide university system has elected to remain online and campus-closed through the fall semester.
Both LA County's decision and the California state university system are erring to make these decisions now. 

I'll leave LA County out because that's better discussed in the Coronavirus thread.

But the smarter thing for the CA State University system would be to simply say this:

"Right now we are hopeful that conditions will allow students to return to campus this fall. This is what we are planning for, but we are also working on the contingency plans to support students in case we need to continue distance learning through the fall."

We're 3 1/2 months away from the start of the school year. We've only been dealing with COVID-19 for 2 months, and we're already starting to see areas experiment with reopening. 

If they merely waited one more month to determine whether it was safe to bring students back, they'd have TONS more real-world data to make their decision. Right now we haven't even tried reopening on a large scale and don't have a clue whether it'll work or blow up in our faces. So there's no reason to make the decision before you absolutely have to. 

Plan for both, but put off the decision. 
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on May 13, 2020, 01:18:22 PM
We're technically mostly open here, but in reality, we're still mostly closed, almost entirely closed effectively.

Reopening doesn't really mean everything opens of course.
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 13, 2020, 01:28:41 PM
We're technically mostly open here, but in reality, we're still mostly closed, almost entirely closed effectively.

Reopening doesn't really mean everything opens of course.
True. But again, too early to make the decision on campus reopening...

...unless there are certain planning or financial commitments that absolutely FORCED the decision to be made this early. 

If it's at all possible to put it off, they should have put it off for ~1-1.5 months. We should know by the end of June if reopening is successful enough that they can bring students back to campus.
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on May 13, 2020, 02:35:26 PM
It's always good to delay a tough decision if making it early doesn't matter and you may get more information in time.

I sense the Pac is out of CFB this season.  The baseball experiment may be pivotal for the rest.
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 13, 2020, 02:38:50 PM
It's always good to delay a tough decision if making it early doesn't matter and you may get more information in time.

I sense the Pac is out of CFB this season.  The baseball experiment may be pivotal for the rest.
Governor of Arizona just announced that sports [albeit without fans in the stands] can resume in the state. 

Makes you wonder how Arizona and ASU, and how the other non-CA schools like CO, UT, OR/OrSU, UW/WSU are reacting if the state of California is basically throwing their hands up?
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on May 13, 2020, 03:34:32 PM
no wonder Phil Michelson is moving out of Cali
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on May 13, 2020, 03:34:51 PM
Elon Musk is also thinking about moving
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on May 14, 2020, 12:46:59 PM
I could see a scenario where the two Arizona schools + Utah look into playing their OOC games outside of PAC 12 control. I would've put USC into this as well but it looks like they're already backing out of the Alabama game. It might not be a battle worth fighting, though, since obviously PAC 12 authorities dictate conference play.

Both Arizona schools are more business-savvy (in a practical sense) than the rest of the conference. Both have announced hybrid classes (mix of online, on-campus) for the Fall semester, with the decision upgrading back to fulltime classes expected sometime later this summer.

Like Florida, I can definitely see the state of Arizona looking to profit on the hesitation and caution of California. LA County's decision to remain closed for opener three months (!) was a big eye-opener earlier this week. As someone who lives in Southern California, I can tell you that a lot of us, looking down the barrel of a shut-down summer, are already talking about going where the pools, spas, sports bars, and golf courses dare open.
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on June 20, 2020, 11:38:18 AM
https://twitter.com/BillPlaschke/status/1274075534528376832

"The document, reviewed by the Los Angeles Times late Thursday, asserts that players do not trust UCLA to act in their best interest, particularly in regard to their health, a realm where it says the school has “perpetually failed us,” citing “neglected and mismanaged injury cases.” The document does not provide examples.

The players demanded that a “third-party health official” be on hand for all football activities to see that protocols for COVID-19 prevention are being followed; that anonymous whistleblower protections are provided for athletes and staff to report violations; and that each player can make a decision about whether to come back to Westwood without fear of losing his scholarship or other retaliation."


From the QB:

https://twitter.com/DoriansTweets/status/1274085697335390208
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on June 26, 2020, 01:26:44 PM
https://twitter.com/RedditCFB/status/1276563204085288966
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: Entropy on June 26, 2020, 02:03:35 PM
There is plenty of good talent in California alone to build national champions level teams each year.    Schools across the country still recruit the west coast for a reason...  I see a couple issues with west coast talent/PAC10 schools:   

1)  The universities in the PAC10 have not kept up with investments... in coaches, support staff, etc.  The best leave or take jobs in other locations.  

2)  California seems obsessed with 7x7 camps.   Not sure those are the best way to develop football players.   I do believe the kids in the trenches are not as developed as those in the south (technique wise..)

3)  In the 90's kids who came from Cali to UNL were some of the most successful in the program.  Recently, they have brought a lot of attitude and not as much work.   Not sure if that is more of "who" UNL recruited or a change in expectations by kids out of HS.    I'd be interested in hearing if that is more universal.   I just have this sense that HS rules in California are setting a different expectation on hard work compared to kids from other parts of the country.   Again, it could be who riley recruited...

4)  Sports are an "and" on the west coast.  They frankly have more things to do that a kid growing up in Iowa.   I hated that comments when people said "there is nothing to do in Nebraska" but there are fewer distractions.  It is much easier to stay dedicated.
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on June 26, 2020, 03:15:58 PM
Riley probably recruited soft kids, he certainly had soft practices and everything about the program was soft.

yes, let's shift the nothing to do state to Iowa
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on June 29, 2020, 11:27:09 AM
There is plenty of good talent in California alone to build national champions level teams each year.    Schools across the country still recruit the west coast for a reason...  I see a couple issues with west coast talent/PAC10 schools: 

1)  The universities in the PAC10 have not kept up with investments... in coaches, support staff, etc.  The best leave or take jobs in other locations. 

2)  California seems obsessed with 7x7 camps.  Not sure those are the best way to develop football players.  I do believe the kids in the trenches are not as developed as those in the south (technique wise..)

3)  In the 90's kids who came from Cali to UNL were some of the most successful in the program.  Recently, they have brought a lot of attitude and not as much work.  Not sure if that is more of "who" UNL recruited or a change in expectations by kids out of HS.    I'd be interested in hearing if that is more universal.  I just have this sense that HS rules in California are setting a different expectation on hard work compared to kids from other parts of the country.  Again, it could be who riley recruited...

4)  Sports are an "and" on the west coast.  They frankly have more things to do that a kid growing up in Iowa.  I hated that comments when people said "there is nothing to do in Nebraska" but there are fewer distractions.  It is much easier to stay dedicated.

Running back and to a lesser extent talent along the lines has dropped out west. As of late, schools like Utah, Washington, Oregon, and Stanford have fielded excellent OL/DLs, but I could see a day where across the conference the their trenches will become completely mismatched Vs the Big Ten and SEC.

Rather than to say there's more to do out west, and that's why football is an "and" I like to think of it as high school football is completely drowned out by everything else. Nobody out west makes room for it in their head. Of those who go to high school games, nobody really appreciates that the senior left guard is committed UCLA and the junior WR already has three Pac 12 offers. But in Texas, Iowa, Oklahoma, any of those midwest or southern states, you better believe just about everyone in the stands knows that the all-conference DE has an offers from Missouri and Oklahoma St and that scouts from Texas and Iowa are watching in the stands.
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on July 08, 2020, 02:45:46 PM
This just in...

https://twitter.com/GoStanford/status/1280909778076577792

"As you may know, Stanford currently offers more varsity sports than nearly every other Division I university in the nation. Our goal is to provide excellent support and a world-class experience for our student-athletes in the sports that we offer. Over time, however, providing 36 varsity teams with the level of support that they deserve has become a serious and growing financial challenge.

"In that context, we are writing today with some extremely difficult news. In consultation with the Board of Trustees, we have made the decision to reduce the breadth of our athletics programs and staffing. Stanford will discontinue 11 of our varsity sports programs at the conclusion of the 2020-21 academic year: men’s and women’s fencing, field hockey, lightweight rowing, men’s rowing, co-ed and women’s sailing, squash, synchronized swimming, men’s volleyball and wrestling. All of these teams will have the opportunity to compete in their upcoming 2020-21 seasons, should the circumstances surrounding COVID-19 allow it, before they are discontinued at the varsity level. Regretfully, 20 of our support staff positions are being eliminated as part of this realignment."
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on July 26, 2020, 10:33:47 PM
https://twitter.com/azcsports/status/1287512786365485058

Arizona State men's and women's swimmers will redshirt rather than compete during the 2020-21 school year, a creative idea by Hall of Fame coach Bob Bowman to deal with uncertainties created by the coronavirus pandemic.

Bowman, ASU's swim coach since 2015, suggested the idea after ASU Vice President for Athletics Ray Anderson challenged his staff to find ways to emerge stronger once the pandemic is under control, presumably with a vaccine.

"I started thinking how can we do that, and this is what I came up with," Bowman said. "We lost NCAA championship and they didn't get another season. In my mind, it is unacceptable to risk having that happen again. That just would not work for these kids we spent so long recruiting.

"With all the uncertainty going on around everything, it just makes sense to me that we could give everybody a year to rebuild, get into a training mode, focus on preparing for next summer's (Olympic) trials and carry that into the next season."
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on July 26, 2020, 11:20:48 PM
There is plenty of good talent in California alone to build national champions level teams each year.    Schools across the country still recruit the west coast for a reason...  I see a couple issues with west coast talent/PAC10 schools: 

1)  The universities in the PAC10 have not kept up with investments... in coaches, support staff, etc.  The best leave or take jobs in other locations. 

2)  California seems obsessed with 7x7 camps.  Not sure those are the best way to develop football players.  I do believe the kids in the trenches are not as developed as those in the south (technique wise..)

3)  In the 90's kids who came from Cali to UNL were some of the most successful in the program.  Recently, they have brought a lot of attitude and not as much work.  Not sure if that is more of "who" UNL recruited or a change in expectations by kids out of HS.    I'd be interested in hearing if that is more universal.  I just have this sense that HS rules in California are setting a different expectation on hard work compared to kids from other parts of the country.  Again, it could be who riley recruited...

4)  Sports are an "and" on the west coast.  They frankly have more things to do that a kid growing up in Iowa.  I hated that comments when people said "there is nothing to do in Nebraska" but there are fewer distractions.  It is much easier to stay dedicated.
So I kinda disagree with all of these to varying degrees. With the talent part, that's true, but it's also a state with at least three times as many people as 46 of the other states. But it's also surrounded by more talent poor states, which makes it saturated in recruiters, much like Atlanta. 

1. The argument about investments in perhaps in part the case, but I think it's also a set of departments that have all had their run of issues. USC has bumbled at the top for a while, despite pole position, and stumbling into Carroll covered a lot of ills. UCLA has been mostly OK with occasional bursts of pretty good. Cal is most often a mess, and Stanford is a private school that had been above its station for a while. Now some of all that I think ties into point 4, because there's less insane boosters pouring in money and demanding crazy things, which is weirdly a net good most often. There's no one to be mad you're fumbling around. 

2. I live in the south. We're drowning in 7-on-7 teams. Florida is full up of them. They go to their things, linemen go to their camps. It's a good tool because practice tends to feed into games, and throwing is a skill that is super hard to build in games on lower levels. There may be some problems, but the 7-on-7s probably have little to do with it. (It's been a while since I looked into HS football in CA, but it used to strike me as more I-form/pro-style heavy than other places, though by now, the spread is probably king most everywhere)

3. Guessing that's selection bias. The kids you can get to come to 90s Nebraska were probably different than the ones Riley could sneak out. And he was already used to sneaking out second-tier guys at OSU. 

4. This might be true, and it's certianly not a cultural staple the same way, though it's not like the west doesn't produce gobs of players. 

The one thing I think is underrated is TV. Every game a P5 plays is to some degree national. For all but one conference, you should be able to get every game on at least an iPad anywhere. If you look at Clemson the last year a Western team won a title, they had three ESPN/ESPN2 games. One TBS (?). Three ABC, which I’m thinking was more regional than national, but occasionally national. Two Jefferson Pilot (regional). Two not on TV. If I live in Sacramento like one of their five-stars, I’m getting 5-6 out of 11 maybe. The only conference with an issue it the Pac-12, which you can solve with the right provider, but is more of a pain in the ass.
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: ELA on July 27, 2020, 09:19:13 AM
https://twitter.com/azcsports/status/1287512786365485058

Arizona State men's and women's swimmers will redshirt rather than compete during the 2020-21 school year, a creative idea by Hall of Fame coach Bob Bowman to deal with uncertainties created by the coronavirus pandemic.

Bowman, ASU's swim coach since 2015, suggested the idea after ASU Vice President for Athletics Ray Anderson challenged his staff to find ways to emerge stronger once the pandemic is under control, presumably with a vaccine.

"I started thinking how can we do that, and this is what I came up with," Bowman said. "We lost NCAA championship and they didn't get another season. In my mind, it is unacceptable to risk having that happen again. That just would not work for these kids we spent so long recruiting.

"With all the uncertainty going on around everything, it just makes sense to me that we could give everybody a year to rebuild, get into a training mode, focus on preparing for next summer's (Olympic) trials and carry that into the next season."

Big win for any ASU student who wants to try and walk on the swim team.
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: CWSooner on July 27, 2020, 10:37:10 AM
There is plenty of good talent in California alone to build national champions level teams each year.    Schools across the country still recruit the west coast for a reason...  I see a couple issues with west coast talent/PAC10 schools: 

1)  The universities in the PAC10 have not kept up with investments... in coaches, support staff, etc.  The best leave or take jobs in other locations. 

2)  California seems obsessed with 7x7 camps.  Not sure those are the best way to develop football players.  I do believe the kids in the trenches are not as developed as those in the south (technique wise..)

3)  In the 90's kids who came from Cali to UNL were some of the most successful in the program.  Recently, they have brought a lot of attitude and not as much work.  Not sure if that is more of "who" UNL recruited or a change in expectations by kids out of HS.    I'd be interested in hearing if that is more universal.  I just have this sense that HS rules in California are setting a different expectation on hard work compared to kids from other parts of the country.  Again, it could be who riley recruited...

4)  Sports are an "and" on the west coast.  They frankly have more things to do that a kid growing up in Iowa.  I hated that comments when people said "there is nothing to do in Nebraska" but there are fewer distractions.  It is much easier to stay dedicated.
7x7 is big in Texas too. And it seems that fewer top OL and DL prospects are coming from the Lone Star State these days.
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on August 01, 2020, 12:09:28 PM
https://twitter.com/JessamynMcIntyr/status/1289291288592883712
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on August 08, 2020, 12:52:44 PM
Bad news out of UCLA, plus Chip Kelly has the virus too.

https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1291134029115396097
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on August 11, 2020, 06:25:08 PM
:'(


https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1293273199304675334
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: ELA on August 11, 2020, 07:23:13 PM
Then what the hell was the Pac 12 prepping for playing games without fans for all these years?
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on August 18, 2020, 03:39:42 PM
Petros Papadakis from Fox Sports LA 570AM on Clay Travis’ show this morning, voicing worries about the future of Pac 12 football:

Papadakis:
“There's a lot of LA sports raging right now, the Chargers and the Rams are in pads, except you hear nothing from USC. USC doesn't act like a blue blood like the rest of these college football programs, like I looked at the headlines yesterday for college football, and I saw Auburn has a bunch of cases but they're pushing forward. I saw the SEC come out with a schedule. I saw a petition come out that Justin Fields was starting. I saw a petition from parents of Big Ten schools - Penn State, Iowa, and Michigan specifically. I saw all these different things happening with everybody pushing forward and fighting for their players. Whether you think it's right, whether you think it's wrong, these people are pushing and fighting, and trying to fulfill their promise to the players which is we are going to showcase you and give you your moment. Scott Frost won't shut up, you know. Brohm was trying to map out a schedule. Not that it'll do anything or help anybody but at least if you're on those teams you feel like guys want to play and a lot of those teams aren't even blue bloods.

And at USC you know what the headline was yesterday? Social Justice backpacks. For all the athletes. Which is great but can't you do that and also act like you kind've want to play football too? And it's just amazing to me the weakness and the limpness of the programs out west particularly with what's supposed to be flagship USC. They just don't act like a blue blood program anymore.

Clay Travis:
"The SEC's tagline is It just means more. I do agree with you in the sense the Pac 12 tagline might as well be It just means less. Even if you are upset about the Big Ten cancellation at least there's a big fight over the Big Ten being cancelled. There's no parent organization rising up angry over the sports being cancelled in the Pac 12. It seems as if everybody is just going to take that decision lying down and not combat it in anyway.”

Papadakis:
"Yea, and for me USC has got to carry that torch. And maybe it's regional and obviously very political because that's a part of this, but I just can't imagine a guy like Pete Carroll or John McCay or John Robinson - any USC Coach I've ever been around that won a championship - I can't imagine any of these guys taking this lying down and acting like - hey it's all good, we're going to take a year off. I don't see it being a great recruiting tool to keep the California guys who are already pledging to Alabama and Clemson. Those guys ten years ago would go to USC and UCLA respectively. And everybody is still going to recruit here in Southern California and use it as their campground for greatness and the bigger time college football here is going to be left behind. Ultimately it comes down to who's the coach and it's Clay Helton and it benefits him to not play...when they get on the field they embarrass themselves. Looking at the headlines yesterday that really jumped out to me - everybody is fighting for the players and here USC is giving out rainbow backpacks."

Clay Travis:
"It looks very bad for the Big Ten and Pac 12 right now. Can you imagine if the SEC which released it's ten game schedule and the Big 12 and the ACC manage to play complete seasons in the Fall, how bad it would look?"

Papadakis:
“Here in California our kids can't even go to school...we don't seem bent on doing anything here. The question is what if the Pac 12 doesn't play football this season? The Big Ten will be fine. Whatever they end up doing. They make a ton of money and will take a hit this year obviously but it's been financially healthy because of the network deal they did and all of those schools, even the crappy ones, are in great shape. That is not the case in the Pac 12. We're hemorrhaging money for years because of our terrible network deal Larry Scott bestowed upon the conference. They have no leverage for their next deal and I'm really scared if you don't have a Phil Knight or the cash at USC who has the money but not the will anymore to be elite and I wonder what a lot of these Pac 12 schools come out looking like? They're probably going to come out of it looking a lot more like the Mountain West."

YIKES
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 18, 2020, 03:46:54 PM
This all assumes that the SEC/ACC/B12 actually go through with their football seasons, *AND* that it doesn't completely blow up in their faces. 

But I agree with the premise, that at least in the B1G you can see coaches and players voicing opposition to having their season postponed/canceled. I'm hearing crickets from the PAC-12. The bigger news was the PAC-12 athletes coming out with a list of outrageous demands to even be willing to come back and play. 
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on August 20, 2020, 09:43:15 AM
This all assumes that the SEC/ACC/B12 actually go through with their football seasons, *AND* that it doesn't completely blow up in their faces.

But I agree with the premise, that at least in the B1G you can see coaches and players voicing opposition to having their season postponed/canceled. I'm hearing crickets from the PAC-12. The bigger news was the PAC-12 athletes coming out with a list of outrageous demands to even be willing to come back and play.


Yes, and Petros’ disappointment agrees that while us western states are more so exercising a responsibility to address this pandemic we’re all in, to include the lesser position it’s putting the Pac 12 in, he’s ALSO bemoaning that the SEC is exercising what they see as a responsibility to play college football at all costs, even at the risk of public health, and will subsequently be in a stronger position when it comes to recruiting, TV deals, raising booster money, keeping concessions going, etc. But say it again: This all assumes that the SEC/ACC/B12 actually go through with their football seasons, *AND* that it doesn't completely blow up in their faces.

This pandemic has really forced the realization of what we as individuals or regions view as vital for us. If day to day living is as much as anything else about identifying what we are responsible for and going about addressing those responsibilities, here in California the responsibility is practiced as mitigating the pandemic spread despite the inconveniences to our educational and economic routines and expectations. Meanwhile, the south is unapologetically forthright that having a college football season is the superseding responsibility.
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on August 26, 2020, 04:37:27 PM
More of the same from our friends Clay Travis and Petros Papadakos this week:

Clay:
“Obviously you’re a huge college football fan, and…I want to ask you this question right off the top – obviously Big 10 parents, Big 10 coaches, Big 10 fans have been incredibly outspoken about how upset they are that their season was cancelled, yet we’ve heard nothing from anyone in the Pac 12. No coaches. No players. No fans to speak of. Why do you think that is?”

Petros:
“…there’s a few reasons. I think the political leadership in most of the states that are in the Pac 12 are pretty the opposite of what the political leadership is in SEC country. And, really polar opposites. And the Big 10 is somewhere in the middle. And they have a lot of really upset people who are letting their voices be heard. On the West Coast it feels like if you’re an advocate for playing football or an advocate for kids fulfilling your promise to them – something that Nick Saban has finally started talking about; and all of these very pro-cancellation college football writers will still write what Nick Saban says like it’s Moses coming down from the mountain. And Nick Saban is right. They promised these kids an opportunity. These are not opportunities that are really fulfill-able if you just sit around for a year. Football is not like that. It’s going to have detrimental effects on a lot of guys for a lot of different reasons. But it really just feels like politics are different on the west coast. And I think a lot of the writers who are reporting within thirty seconds positive tests on college campuses without mentioning hospitalizations to avoid the nuances of the story, they’re just putting out headlines to frighten people. Using words like the virus is raging! Those guys are all on the west coast it feels like. Anytime I tweet something like the high school kids are getting screwed over right now with football being played around the country but not here on the West Coast – whenever I tweet anything like that I get shouted down about the science or you want people to die! And I don’t understand how somehow football became the one sport for this. Look, the letter of intent the players sign says you’re going to give the opportunity to play football and they’re not doing that in the Pac 12 or Big 10 right now. And sadly those are the conferences that Fox has a TV deal with. We lost somewhere close to a hundred games and they told me the other day I might call only one or two games this year. Which is a tremendous hit to me but that’s not really what I’m upset about. I’m upset that West Coast football is basically dead. The Big 10 can handle the financial hit but west coast football can’t and it doesn’t seem like anybody out here is willing to fight for it.”

Clay:
“They’re a lot of people fighting for the Big 10…none of that seems to be materializing in the Pac 12. No one is lighting a fire like Kevin Warren has under him.”

Petros:
“Part of that is because Larry Scott has ruined the Pac 12 long before the coronavirus. This is just a shovel of graveyard dirt on top of it. And part of it is weak leadership which in the Big Ten you see people fighting against. Whether Warren did the right thing or not he’s certainly hasn’t handled it well in the aftermath. And Larry Scott has always been a toothless leader. Always. And now the conference looks a lot like him: Weak. Another big part is the flagship program in the Pac 12 is much more comfortable in neutral, not playing, and not being at risk of embarrassment – that being USC. USC is great when they don’t play football. Colin Cowherd can talk about how great their social media is but it’s only when USC plays that they become an embarrassment. And everybody starts wondering when the coach is going to get fired. So imagine the Big Ten if Ohio State didn’t want to play, and that’s basically what we have in the Pac 12. Except the Big Ten can sustain the financial hit. The Pac 12 cannot because they did a terrible TV deal; they’re not going to survive this.”
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on August 26, 2020, 04:53:30 PM
The argument that Larry Scott ruined the PAC-12 in this context strikes me as silly. I’m a historical context, you have maybe two programs with more fervent fans than Oregon. The best program is an inconsistent mess. 

It is what it is. The interest wasn’t gonna be there to throw a fit. 
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: CWSooner on August 26, 2020, 07:13:31 PM
Yeah.  Larry Scott didn't invent all those other things that West Coasters would rather do on Saturdays in the fall than attend college football games.  He didn't put the Pacific Ocean out there.  He didn't give the West Coast a West Coast climate.

West Coasters have many other things to do.  They can be very smug about, sometimes even acting as if it is a measure of their own personal worth as human beings, and we can resent them for being smug S.O.B.s if we want.

But it's still true, and Larry Scott had and has nothing to do with it.  Demand for his product is low, so he has a weak hand to play.

Clay Travis is politically active in a "Save our Confederate memorials" way that makes his questions and comments on the show extremely predictable.
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 26, 2020, 07:54:11 PM
Exactly... 

There are 40M people in California. USC, Stanford, UCLA, and Berkeley have a combined undergrad enrollment of ~90K students. So over a span of 20 years, you can graduate 2M folks, equal to 5% of California's population, if you assume they all give a shit about college football. But they don't. Both areas are huge for pro sports, although only recently did Los Angeles return to hosting NFL teams. 

Then you figure the number of Californians who are transplants. There's a huge immigrant population (~28%ish), so those 11M probably aren't exactly attuned to local college football teams. Then there are the additional 16% who are transplants from other states. Maybe some of them are from adjacent PAC-12 states, but a lot are from "elsewhere", such as me. 

So you're left with ~56% of the state being native-born, many of whom went to other colleges and didn't care about college sports or are merely "nominal" PAC-12 team fans--the sort of fair-weather fans that might watch those teams in a big game but otherwise literally don't give a shit. It's not like some areas of the country that you have to declare whether, for example, you're for Auburn or Alabama, at a young age. 

And all of those 56% have tons of other things to do on a daily basis. 

So college football just isn't huge here. 
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on August 26, 2020, 08:32:53 PM

Clay Travis is politically active in a "Save our Confederate memorials" way that makes his questions and comments on the show extremely predictable.
Clay is the most fascinating opportunist in sports media. He'll find his market and just hammer it. He leans into a certain kind of iconoclasm and has a great feel for finding slightly less than mainstream audiences who both relish not being mainstream and he can resonate heavily with. 

That Robert Lee thing was a moment where a lot of what he does came into view. He's here to find something to be offended by, but has a smooth way of doing it. 
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: CWSooner on August 26, 2020, 08:35:29 PM
Clay is the most fascinating opportunist in sports media. He'll find his market and just hammer it. He leans into a certain kind of iconoclasm and has a great feel for finding slightly less than mainstream audiences who both relish not being mainstream and he can resonate heavily with.

That Robert Lee thing was a moment where a lot of what he does came into view. He's here to find something to be offended by, but has a smooth way of doing it.
He lost an endorsement deal with Jack Daniel's Distillery a few years ago.  They didn't want to be affiliated with his political comments.
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on August 26, 2020, 08:35:50 PM
Exactly...

There are 40M people in California. USC, Stanford, UCLA, and Berkeley have a combined undergrad enrollment of ~90K students. So over a span of 20 years, you can graduate 2M folks, equal to 5% of California's population, if you assume they all give a shit about college football. But they don't. Both areas are huge for pro sports, although only recently did Los Angeles return to hosting NFL teams.

Then you figure the number of Californians who are transplants. There's a huge immigrant population (~28%ish), so those 11M probably aren't exactly attuned to local college football teams. Then there are the additional 16% who are transplants from other states. Maybe some of them are from adjacent PAC-12 states, but a lot are from "elsewhere", such as me.

So you're left with ~56% of the state being native-born, many of whom went to other colleges and didn't care about college sports or are merely "nominal" PAC-12 team fans--the sort of fair-weather fans that might watch those teams in a big game but otherwise literally don't give a shit. It's not like some areas of the country that you have to declare whether, for example, you're for Auburn or Alabama, at a young age.

And all of those 56% have tons of other things to do on a daily basis.

So college football just isn't huge here.
Yep. You also have two northern schools, one that I love dearly and one that I loathe, that are frankly not culturally so attuned to sports (their noses raised so high). One of the southern schools has 25 miles from school to stadium, and that understates the trek to get there. And the best of them is a small private school that relies heavily on fair-weather in-town fans who glom onto success and step off quickly. 
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on August 26, 2020, 08:38:06 PM
He lost an endorsement deal with Jack Daniel's Distillery a few years ago.  They didn't want to be affiliated with his political comments.
And I bet he converted that into evidence he was more persecuted, which in turn was held as a reason his ideas were dangerous and subversive, therefore being worth listening to if you wanted to hear the real truth. 

I don't like the man, but he's good at his thing. 
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: CWSooner on August 26, 2020, 09:24:17 PM
Nice work if you can get it, I guess.
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on September 02, 2020, 04:54:49 PM
Former All-Pac 12 Oregon OL Geoff Schwartz on Clay Travis’ radio show talking Pac 12 football:

Clay:
“A big part of the discussion of what’s going on in the world of college football is the Big Ten and their many different moving parts. For instance one reason the Big Ten is getting all the attention is because players, coaches, & fans made an aggressive decision to fight against cancellation. The same thing has not happened in any way in the Pac 12. But as a former Pac 12 player are you surprised it hasn’t happened in the Pac 12 at all?”

Geoff:
“I’m not surprised for a couple of reasons. One of them is because the Pac 12 put out a comprehensive memo, a twelve page memo saying here is why we are shutting down. The conference commissioner, the athletic director of Arizona State, the conference’s head medical chief all did a press conference explaining the decision. All the coaches came out with statements supporting the decision. And the conference footprint is in a different place than is the Big Ten footprint as far as the lockdown situation, especially California. Some schools can’t practice. USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford – couldn’t even practice. So it’s a different situation than in the Big Ten. The thing that bothers me, Clay, and this is from me being a Pac 12 homer, is that no one seems to care that we’re not playing football. It’s not that we shut down, or that the Big Ten is fighting this. It’s that nobody cares we not playing out here…we’re going to be so left behind that I do think the other conferences are starting to realize this is a problem for the Pac 12. There was a leaked memo detailing the hiring of someone to maybe oversee the Pac 12 commissioner, which, why don’t you just get rid of the commissioner? The Pac 12 hired a football operations guy – Merton Hanks, the old 49er - to run football which has never happened in the Pac 12 conference. So the conference realizes this is a problem – we have to get better at football and basketball so when we’re not playing people elsewhere wonder why, because we’re being left behind right now.”

Clay:
“Do you think they’ll be a lasting impact here? That’s the question I get asked a lot by college football fans. If the Big Ten and the Pac 12 don’t play, let’s pretend you were a college recruit – would that impact your decision if the Big 12, ACC, and SEC were also recruiting you? Or do you think any possibility of that issue is entirely overrated? “

Geoff:
“Obviously it’ll be used against the Pac 12, but Oregon is still third in the country in recruiting right now. It obviously hasn’t affected them very much. The lasting impact is going to be two things. One is the money. Trying to come up with the money you’ve missed. And the Pac 12 has talked about an insurance policy that you can collect on if you’re a public school. But I think the lasting impact of this is that the Juniors who are sitting out already wanted to do so and COVID provides them the cover to sit out without any pushback. We’re going to see true Juniors and redshirt Sophomores who really have nothing to prove this year just take a year off to get ready for the NFL. And that could be the impact for all conferences.”

Clay:
“The thing about that is – and I said this back when it happened – we were going to see a slippery slope of: if you’re willing to sit out for a bowl game then at some point someone who establishes themselves as a projected top ten pick will question why they are even playing at all. I do think you’re right that COVID gives Ja’Marr Chase an excuse to not play.”

Geoff:
“Yes, but there’s also a stigma with sitting out. This idea of proving you love football is a huge part of the NFL combine process. Because coaches and front office guys live and breathe football and sitting out your last year is always looked at as you don’t love football.”

Clay:
“That’s the fear in general. Is that if you get big money and you don’t love the game enough to play anyway that you’ll never commit to football in a big way…to coaches it’s one thing to lose because the other team has a better QB or game plan but it’s another thing if a guy falls asleep in the film room and then isn’t committed enough to put in an A grade effort on the field.”
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: CWSooner on September 03, 2020, 08:15:29 PM
So, CatsbyAZ, I've wondered how you pronounce the "Catsby" part.  Does it rhyme with "Gatsby" or with "cats fly"?
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 05, 2020, 11:13:56 AM
https://twitter.com/RedditCFB/status/1302056223731150849?s=20
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on September 06, 2020, 10:29:12 AM
So, CatsbyAZ, I've wondered how you pronounce the "Catsby" part.  Does it rhyme with "Gatsby" or with "cats fly"?


Yes think of Jay Gatsby. Today I brood over the PAC 12 like the eyes of Doctor TJ Eckleberg’s do over the Valley of Ashes.

“This is a valley of ashes--a fantastic farm where ashes grow like wheat into ridges and hills and grotesque gardens; where ashes take the forms of houses and chimneys and rising smoke and, finally, with a transcendent effort, of men who move dimly and already crumbling through the powdery air.”

I used to read a lot more F. Scott Fitzgerald.t
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: CWSooner on September 06, 2020, 07:07:04 PM
The Valley of Ashes is now Flushing Meadows Park.  It was the site of the 1939 and 1964 World's Fairs.
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on September 08, 2020, 09:57:04 AM
The Valley of Ashes is now Flushing Meadows Park.  It was the site of the 1939 and 1964 World's Fairs.


Where the Mets play? Figures
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: CWSooner on September 08, 2020, 01:45:51 PM
Yep.  Where the Mets play.  41 Seaver Way.
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on September 17, 2020, 11:00:06 AM
King Larry: "At this time, our universities in California and Oregon do not have approval from state or local public health officials to start control practice. We are hopeful that our new daily testing capability can help satisfy public health official approvals in California and Oregon to begin contact practice and competition. We are equally closely monitoring the devastating fires and air quality in our region at this time. We are eager for our student-athletes to have the opportunity to play this season, as soon as it can be done safely and in accordance with public health authority approvals."

https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1306255817847570438

Gov Newsom's impatient response:

https://twitter.com/wilnerhotline/status/1306319534710693888

Reading between the lines: King Larry calls Gov Newsom, hoping to hide behind his support of no football. Gov Newsom, with much bigger issues on hand, such as the wildfires and COVID spiking on California college campuses, tells King Larry to f%$# off, leading King Larry to believe they're best buds. So to make his point again Newsom tells King Larry to f%$# off again by telling the media "nothing in state rules [is] preventing teams from playing."

Suddenly King Larry is running in circles trying to restart football. All this after King Larry happily shut down football in hopes the rest of college football, which couldn't care less about the Pac 12, would follow his lead to forget football this Fall.
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on September 24, 2020, 07:19:27 PM
PAC-12 is back!
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on September 24, 2020, 08:59:00 PM
PAC-12 is back!


Step 1:!

https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1309267863715414018

Step 2: Butts in the seats!
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on September 24, 2020, 09:41:55 PM
More like Back-12
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: ELA on September 25, 2020, 01:08:42 PM

Step 2: Butts in the seats!
Let's only focus on COVID related obstacles this year
Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: CatsbyAZ on October 03, 2020, 11:28:32 AM
Let's only focus on COVID related obstacles this year


https://twitter.com/pac12/status/1312399595654115333

Preliminary ruling of no fans at games.


Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on October 03, 2020, 11:41:25 AM
They didn't even pair up the Cali schools on the crossover? 

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Title: Re: PAC 12 2020 Season Thread
Post by: FearlessF on October 03, 2020, 08:29:06 PM
no need for a loss