Senior Michigan OT Stephen Spanellis has entered the transfer portal. Good luck to him wherever he ends up. Given the graduation of LT Runyan and OG Bredeson I would characterize this as a serious loss.Yeah, linemen, on either side of the ball, are always a hit, no matter how much they were expected to play. MSU had Dimitri Douglas transfer to EMU so he could play, whereas he was probably never seeing the field in East Lansing anytime soon, and I'd still call that a bigger hit than Conor Heyward leaving.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/2020/01/01/michigan-wolverines-offensive-lineman-stephen-spanellis-transfer/2793516001/ (https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/2020/01/01/michigan-wolverines-offensive-lineman-stephen-spanellis-transfer/2793516001/)
My biggest question marks for 2020 Michigan, in order:
I would like to know what Michigan's plan is at the QB position. A mobile QB is vital in the Gattis/Moorhead offense.
Where are all of the "Best Wide Receivers in the B1G" going? Are they turning pro?
It seems like UM is graduating all of their linebackers. How is that position looking for 2020?
Anything I missed?
Michigan's QB will be Dylan McCaffery barring the unforeseen. He's taller and faster than Patterson. He needs to learn to properly slide feet first when running the ball. He got a season ending injury in 2018 for failing to do so and a concussion for not sliding soon or low enough this year. The backup QB will likely be Milton who is big, fast, and has a cannon arm. Looks like Cam Newton but passing accuracy has been rumored to be an ongoing project. If not Milton the #2 would be McNamara, also very talented. Michigan is set for QBs for the foreseeable future.Thanks!
WR Black will transfer and while there is no official word yet WR Collins is almost certainly gone and I would guess WR DPJ sticks around. Michigan has some great younger WRs as well.
Hudson is graduating and Uche is going to the NFL. Tough losses but I think Michigan will be fine LB wise. McGrone will be back as will Ross after an injury red shirt and there is lots of young talent.
The OL maybe an issue given the graduation of Bredeson, Runyan and Spanellis. Again, there is a lot of young talent and I'm somewhat optimistic given the OL coach.
I maybe getting out over my skis but I think Michigan will be good in 2020.
Thanks!I think they will be rebuilding. UW has to go there too - early on.
Penn State should be slightly better than this year, but playing in Ann Arbor is really the key game of the season. I was hoping Michigan would need a rebuilding year.
Penn State should be slightly better than this year, but playing in Ann Arbor is really the key game of the season.Now you've done it I'm e-mailing this to Ryan Day and mighty fine bulletin board material it'll make
But Collins is backWeird, assumed vice versa
Really?Ya what ELA said,could be a mistake,seeing as the O-Line and QB will prolly be weaker because of NFL/Grads.Collins avg of 20+ YPC lead the conference I believe.Hard to see his stock getting higher if they can't get him the ball.But who knows maybe the opposite could develop,hope he stays healthyI can only guess he did not get a 1st or 2nd round draft grade. That's not necessarily due to his talent level; there are a TON of ultra talented receivers going pro this year.
I can only guess he did not get a 1st or 2nd round draft grade. That's not necessarily due to his talent level; there are a TON of ultra talented receivers going pro this year.My general theory is that if you are 1st round you should go, if not you should stay. That said, I think that @MrNubbz (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=17) makes some good points. If it looks like the offense that you are a part of is going to regress, you might want to get out while the getting is good. I'm not sure that applies here, but it might.
I also think he has a lot of room for improvement as far as route running goes.
My general theory is that if you are 1st round you should go, if not you should stay. That said, I think that @MrNubbz (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=17) makes some good points. If it looks like the offense that you are a part of is going to regress, you might want to get out while the getting is good. I'm not sure that applies here, but it might.I actually thought the opposite situation may have kept both DPJ and Nico. Patterson was horrid throwing beyond 10 yard. Short routes, he definitely improved, but consistently missed open receivers down field over and over. Both DPJ and Nico had the advantage down field, one by speed and another by size so I think it would benefit them by having a an with better deep accuracy. That being said, there’s no guarantee the next up will improve, but I’m not sure how much worse qb1 could be compared to Patterson on the deep ball.
My favorite example of this is Pepe Pearson of Ohio State:
In 1995 Eddie George rushed for 1,927 (5.9 per carry) yards and won the Heisman Trophy behind a stellar OL. The following year Pepe Pearson took over the starting job and rushed for 1,484 (5.0 per carry) yards. That SEEMED great, but in reality it wasn't. Any random college RB would have had about what Pearson had because nearly all of that OL that had blocked for Eddie George's Heisman returned. Any RB would have looked good behind that line.
Pearson decided to return for the 1997 season but the OL was gone. He only rushed for 869 (4.5 per carry) yards while splitting carries almost evenly with Michael Wiley who had 588 (5.6 per carry) yards.
Pearson definitely should have left after the 1996 season and staying around for the 1997 season cost him a TON of money because it exposed the fact that he really wasn't that great of a RB, he was just in a REALLY great position in 1996.
Anthony Campanile turns down DC offers from BC and Rutgers to stay LB coach at UM. Big for them for a couple reasons. If he left, they'd be on their 4th LB coach in 4 years, plus with Partridge leaving for Ole Miss, that would mean losing both of their NJ recruiters.Or Stephen Ross hired him away to the Dolphins
Quietest Michigan offseason that I can remember during the Harbaugh tenure and well before that too. Maybe the usual coverage has just gotten bored or tired of spending so much time on Harbaugh’s first few seasons?it's a sinking ship. the hype has worn off and Harbaugh has lost his luster. That's gonna happen when you continually get your dick kicked in by Ohio State. 0-5.
it's a sinking ship. the hype has worn off and Harbaugh has lost his luster. That's gonna happen when you continually get your dick kicked in by Ohio State. 0-5.To be fair, Ohio State is on a whole different level at the moment, so maybe that's not necessarily the best measuring stick.
To be fair, Ohio State is on a whole different level at the moment, so maybe that's not necessarily the best measuring stick.Not buying it. Jim whifs on so many recruiting “locks” that wind up being great for other teams. *COUGH* OT Isaiah Wilson....*COUGH* RB AJ Dillon. How much better would Michigan’s offense have been the last few years with a 1st round pick starting at RT in Isaiah Wilson and mauling, powerful 2nd-3rd rd pick starting at RB in AJ Dillon? Probably significantly.
And yes, Michigan is known as the team that always finishes 3rd in the Big 10 East. I get it.
Let's look at this a different way. Michigan has also consistently finished with 10 wins, and is on the verge of competing for the B1G. Imagine if Michigan had Justin Fields and Chase Young last year. What a difference just two players makes.
This is the same situation Penn State is in. We need at least one Saquon Barkley in order to compete with a team that consistently has 2 or 3 on the roster.
Harbaugh will eventually find that player or two, and THAT is when Michigan will move up.
Not buying it. Jim whifs on so many recruiting “locks” that wind up being great for other teams. *COUGH* OT Isaiah Wilson....*COUGH* RB AJ Dillon. How much better would Michigan’s offense have been the last few years with a 1st round pick starting at RT in Isaiah Wilson and mauling, powerful 2nd-3rd rd pick starting at RB in AJ Dillon? Probably significantly.Well Gattis is a great WR coach, so that issue should be fixed.
Jim isn’t developing his QB’s or his WR’s either at all. DPJ is a freak of nature that never developed. 5*, top 10 player Overall, #1 WR in 247Composite as a recruit. Prediction: he will get developed in the NFL and be way better in the NFL than he ever was in college. Urban flat out said on national tv that when he was coaching he wanted DPJ baaaad and thought he was a top 10 nfl draft pick in 3 years but he hasn’t been developed.
Defense has been pretty good at developing players- but that’s because of Don Brown. Jim isn’t too involved there. It still hasn’t gotten the absolute max out of its elite athletes with the exception of Devin Bush. Just look at Peppers, Uche, and Gary. Those dudes are all freakish athletes. And I’d argue that they all should’ve been better, more impactful players at Michigan and all would’ve been drafted higher had they gone to OSU. Gary should’ve been the #1 overall pick. He was that insanely gifted. Athletically he’s superior to someone like Chase Young- who just went #2 overall. Peppers should’ve been a top 10 pick. And Uche a 1st round pick. His usage by Brown was terrible. They made him a situational player instead of an every down pass rushing maniac. In another scheme with more development- all 3 of those guys are probably way more productive and drafted higher. Brown tries to get too cute. He needed to use and unleash his elite athletes more. Don’t make them think too much or ask them to do too much. Just let them go.
There’s a QB on the roster that has huge potential in Joe Milton but he was raw as hell. Jim didn’t redshirt him and I doubt we will see him progress. Joe Milton with Ryan Day would probably be a 1st rd pick. He’s 6’5”+, 250 pounds, runs a legitimate verified 4.65 in the 40. And oh yeah he’s probably got the strongest arm in the entire Big 10.
It’s not just recruiting. They are developing guys way better.
Well Gattis is a great WR coach, so that issue should be fixed.Gattis has only been there 1 year. I think these WR guys will start to be developed, but it takes more than 1 year. Still doubt we will see any development at QB because: Jim.
IMO, Michigan is like Nebraska back in 2003. Sure, you could get rid of Solich (Harbaugh) and Pellini (Brown), but you could end up with Bill Callahan and damage your program for a decade or more.
There's always room for improvement, but I don't think you should replace a consistent 10 win coach in one of the best divisions in college football.
This is a weird question -- you guys had a running back that I thought was pretty darn good, but I believe he ended up being academically ineligible last year. (or part of last year?)Chris Evans is coming back, and I don’t think he poses a threat. They are completely different types of backs. They actually compliment each other extremely well.
Is that kid back on the team, and does he pose a risk to Mr. Charbonett?
That was the problem with Cooper - he'd loose the last 2 games of the season more often than not.But in the years he was in C-Bus the Buckeyes put the same amonut of guys in the League as UM - 64.Because of JHs contract he'll get prolly most of that.Cooper threatened to leave after going 1-4-1 vs M.And the idiots gave him an extension and raise.Not sure how I didn't end up in the ER
Harbaugh era Michigan has sent 40 players to the NFL draft in his 5 years as coach. From 2005-2015, Michigan had sent 37 players to the NFL draft. So he's getting guys drafted at a way higher rate than previous coaches and he's averaging about 10 wins a season.
Chris Evans is coming back, and I don’t think he poses a threat. They are completely different types of backs. They actually compliment each other extremely well.Wow, I just realized that Michigan had 10 players drafted. This initially made me agree that Harbaugh is underperforming as well. However, on second glance:
Losing 4 starters on the OL to the NFL draft is a bigger threat to Charbonett.
I think it's frustrating for a fan base not to have a "break through year". An NC will mask a lot of 8-5 years. An 11-2 year with a loss to OSU is disheartening. Grumbling starts. Expectations and hopes and dreams etc.I honestly don’t think Harbaugh’s heart is in this for the long haul. He’ll be back in the NFL before long.
And yes, if you fire a pretty good coach in hopes of getting a great one, you risk getting a substandard coach etc.
It’s not like he’s not recruiting NFL talent and it’s not like he’s going 6-6 or 5-7 here. In 5 years he’s averaging about 10 wins a season and he’s had 40 players drafted by the NFL, including 6 1st rounders. From 2005-2015 drafts Michigan only had 37 players total drafted and 5 1st rounders.For more money and just as many CCGs appearances, let alone titles.:57:
it's a sinking ship. the hype has worn off and Harbaugh has lost his luster. That's gonna happen when you continually get your dick kicked in by Ohio State. 0-5.I've been on this board over a decade, back to the late Carr era, and I'll tell you, watching the rise and fall of Michigan hype cycles is among the most educations I've had about how people consume college football.
Harbaugh can't beat OSU and he can't win decent road games. But he literally never loses bad gets games. What is his worst loss? At home against a 10-3 MSU team? A meaningless Outback Bowl against South Carolina. He doesn't have blowout losses at Purdue or Iowa. He doesn't have losses to Pitt and Syracuse. That 9-11 wins per year with Michigan's talent. If you bring in someone else, who gets the same results, but beats OSU occasionally, but then drops a game at Indiana or Minnesota, is that better? That's basically Lloyd Carr, more big wins, more bad losses, solid end result. And yet was Carrs seat ever hot? Different times, WAY less scrutiny. Maybe it's a product of the CFP or bust way college football is covered now, but I remember really enjoying Michigan's 10-3 Citrus Bowl 1998 season. That season started 0-2 (so CFP gone), and ended with a loss at OSU. That would be a disaster now.I think that's a part of it, but with no satisfaction of beating OSU. Getting that extra month of self satisfaction is worth a lot.
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I've been on this board over a decade, back to the late Carr era, and I'll tell you, watching the rise and fall of Michigan hype cycles is among the most educations I've had about how people consume college football.I've been off and on since 2002 ish. Michigan absolutely blows every other team out of the water as far as "hype cycles" are concerned. I have no idea why that is.
What is a hype cycle?New coach: Just you wait
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I've been off and on since 2002 ish. Michigan absolutely blows every other team out of the water as far as "hype cycles" are concerned. I have no idea why that is.Notre Dame says hi.
For more money and just as many CCGs appearances, let alone titles.:57:Don’t get me wrong, I’m not happy about the way things are. And I do think he’s overpaid but they have to pay him that or he’d just go to the NFL. He’s not going to stay at Michigan out of the goodness of his heart.
I've been off and on since 2002 ish. Michigan absolutely blows every other team out of the water as far as "hype cycles" are concerned. I have no idea why that is.I think Texas, ND, USC are all in the same boat, e.g., Blue Bloods down on their "luck" right now, so every season promises Return to Greatness. Unfortunately, I THINK they have been replaced by Clemson in effect, OSU and Alabama have retained their status, Oklahoma is right there, and LSU and UGA can on occasion get into the playoffs (ND has as well). The space on the podium is limited.
I've been off and on since 2002 ish.we talk football not passionate relationships.Sounds like the rest of us
Michigan has a fine program, but it's tough to see how they break into that top tier. OSU's team was as good as I've ever seen them last year, and they lost in the semifinals. It's a land of giants out there.How do you break into the top tier? I feel like it starts with the coaching. LSU wasn't going anywhere, even with Joe Burrow until Ed O decided to go out and hire Joe Brady and turn over the offense to him. We all saw Burrow's first year at LSU. Was nowhere near his last year. Burrow always had it in him, but it took the coaching to put it all together and show him the way.
OSU's team was as good as I've ever seen them last year, and they lost in the semifinals.As time goes by we forget but even ESPiN noted 3 things ALL going in Dabo's favor.Shaun Wade being ejected for a incidental collision.Next set of downs Clemson defender not getting called on a very flagrant helmet-helmet with Dobbins and the fumble returned for 6.After those 3 I couldn't watch the game again.Matters not as I think with a banged up Fields and Dobbins LSU at Home was prolly insurmountable
Ya O-Line relpacing 4 starters is a tall order I don't care who you are.As so many prospects there seem to boom or bust.Fortunately you have Warinner and I've honestly seen none better.Pretty sure DPJ saw the exodus and no reason to stay.If Collins continues on his trajectory he's a certain 1st rounderWarriner is as good as advertised. That dude is the real deal. He will get those guys ready. He made Jon Runyan Jr. a 1st team All-B1G LT. Dude was a low 3* recruit that is 6'3" with short arms and Warriner turned him into a 1st team All-B1G LT. Warriner turned a Guard into a 1st team All-B1G tackle and got him drafted by the NFL.
Aesthetically/statistically what will be the tell on that front?
Not sure Gattis is an elite OC #1 and not sure Harbaugh will ever completely relinquish total control and just keep his fingers out of the offense. If you ask me those are the two biggest issues plaguing Michigan. You start developing your talent better you win more games and you get better recruits. It all goes hand in hand. Top recruits want to win and get drafted high. Urban was the master of this. He won a shit-ton and his players got drafted high. You start doing that they come to you. It's a lot easier to recruit when you're doing those two things. You really think Mr. 5* QB or WR recruit really wants to come play at Michigan after seeing a 5* #1 QB and top 4 player go undrafted in Shea Patterson or a 5* #1 WR and #10 player go in the 6th round like DPJ? Hell no.
Warriner is as good as advertised. That dude is the real deal. He will get those guys ready. He made Jon Runyan Jr. a 1st team All-B1G LT. Dude was a low 3* recruit that is 6'3" with short arms and Warriner turned him into a 1st team All-B1G LT. Warriner turned a Guard into a 1st team All-B1G tackle and got him drafted by the NFL.I read a tweet that pointed this out, but despite all the picks, man that unit was not statistically impressive last year. Granted, they involved sack rate, which in the modern era isn't a great metric for OL play, but the run numbers were just ho-hum.
He'll turn Mayfield and Hayes into an excellent tackle duo. Those dudes both brimming with NFL potential and have the size and length that JR Jr. lacked, and they are both more athletic than he is too boot.
I read a tweet that pointed this out, but despite all the picks, man that unit was not statistically impressive last year. Granted, they involved sack rate, which in the modern era isn't a great metric for OL play, but the run numbers were just ho-hum.Part of that is simply because they didn't have a great running back. Zach Charbonnet was only a freshman, and it showed. Their best back, IMO, was sidelined with academic issues, and I believe they had another guy injured.
Part of that is simply because they didn't have a great running back. Zach Charbonnet was only a freshman, and it showed. Their best back, IMO, was sidelined with academic issues, and I believe they had another guy injured.So these are stats that look at more things that happen around the LOS, so in theory, the OL had more hand in them. Not perfect because the RB needs to not eff it up, but ideally it shows if the line if giving in the "took what he was given" framework.
ZC isn't a burner, but he's fast. He isn't a bruiser, but he can hit the hole with force. He isn't super shifty, but he's elusive. He's...average. Last year his offensive line was giving him plenty of room, and he took what he was given, but he lacked that extra something that all great backs have.
If you gave that Oline a guy like Jonathan Taylor, well, that's something scary to think about.
Aesthetically/statistically what will be the tell on that front?What will this look like? WHEN Michigan finally has a legitimate top tier offense and a QB that doesn’t suck ass and regress every single year- THEN we will know that Harbaugh has stopped meddling.
So these are stats that look at more things that happen around the LOS, so in theory, the OL had more hand in them. Not perfect because the RB needs to not eff it up, but ideally it shows if the line if giving in the "took what he was given" framework.If I know Gattis, I think Evans will get the majority of the snaps next year. He places a high value on a RB that is a great pass catcher.
The three numbers I like best:
Opportunity rate: This shows how often a run gains 5 yards. Just a clean measure of efficiency that boosts with the line's push.
Michigan was 71st
Power success rate: This takes third and fourth down of 2 or fewer yards, plus most goal line carries that close and says how often a team converts.
Michigan was 31st
Stuff rate: Percentage of carries that gain zero yards and go for loss
Michigan was 41st
There's also a number called adjusted line yards per carry, which I trust a little less but it basically doles out average credit for different parts of a run (losses are on the line, plus some, the first three yards are credited to the line, and half of the next four). The adjustment is good for some things and not others. I like it less than the others because it's a bit more all-in-one and I thought it gave some extra credit to a so-so UW line, but I might be wrong looking back.
Anyway, Michigan was 49th.
(FWIW, UW was 22nd, 27th, 9th and 15th in those metrics last season, which was a drop off from the year before)
They were starting a RS freshman at right tackle all season in Mayfield, and another RS freshman for 3 games at LT in Ryan Hayes. Their #1 RB Charbonnet was a true freshman that was dealing with injuries all-season, missed most of spring and fall and was playing hurt most of the season. So inexperience/youth was at play at both tackle spots and inexperience/injuries at RB. Charbonnet still set freshman rushing TD record with 11. He is going to become the best back that Michigan has had since Chris Perry imo. He’s got real NFL potential.I guess that's enough to drag all those line numbers down to being so-so with four draft picks and a great OL coach. I dunno.
LG Bredeson and C Ruiz were extremely good on the interior and at run blocking. Oddly enough seeing as he’s only 6’3” with short arms- LT Jon Runyan Jr was a better pass blocker than run blocker. RG Mike Onwenu could never keep his weight or conditioning in order his entire time at Michigan. Devastating run blocker when he got his hands on defender, but he consistently wore down in second half of games and during the season in his entire time at Michigan.
If I know Gattis, I think Evans will get the majority of the snaps next year. He places a high value on a RB that is a great pass catcher.Sure, but ZC accounted for less than a third of the non-sack carries. And the point of those stats is to tease out some of the brilliance of a running back.
I agree that Zach C wasn't ready for the load he got as a true freshman. Ideally he would have played about half the snaps he did and then maybe he could have stayed healthy. I will be curious to see if ZC makes a big jump this year. He'll be healthy, sharing the load, and have a full year of a big time college weight room training behind him.
What will this look like? WHEN Michigan finally has a legitimate top tier offense and a QB that doesn’t suck ass and regress every single year- THEN we will know that Harbaugh has stopped meddling.OK, so this arrangement in essence means his meddling is meaningless to our understanding of what happens.
The dude needs to just stay the F out and go recruit. He was actually recruiting extremely well his first few years. His recruiting seems to have taken a major nose dive. Gee, wonder why.
If I know Gattis, I think Evans will get the majority of the snaps next year. He places a high value on a RB that is a great pass catcher.Chris Evans is a great fit for the "speed in space" style. I think ZC and Evans will make a great combo. Can't sleep on Hassan Haskins either. He had a really solid RS Frosh year and the dude is strong as an ox. He reminds me of a bigger, more athletic version of De'Veon Smith. Like Smith he doesn't have the top-end speed to go the distance, but he's more explosive initially and he thrives on contact just like Smith. I really like all 3 of them.
I agree that Zach C wasn't ready for the load he got as a true freshman. Ideally he would have played about half the snaps he did and then maybe he could have stayed healthy. I will be curious to see if ZC makes a big jump this year. He'll be healthy, sharing the load, and have a full year of a big time college weight room training behind him.
How crazy is it that Shea Patterson was the only combine invitee to not get drafted or signed as a free agent?Not that crazy. He's been Harbaugh'D.
How crazy is it that Shea Patterson was the only combine invitee to not get drafted or signed as a free agent?There has to be more to this. Was there some sort of kerfuffle at the senior bowl or something?
LMAO,I'd rather not toot my own horn he says.Somebody needs to tell him the question wasn't meant as a compliment.Seriously he behaves sometimes like he has CTE or is on some medsDude is certifiable whack-job. I’ve been saying for years he probably has CTE and is on meds to stabilize his crazy ass.
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/2020/04/30/michigan-football-shea-patterson-nfl-draft-quarterback/3053501001/ (https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/2020/04/30/michigan-football-shea-patterson-nfl-draft-quarterback/3053501001/)Wow. That’s a huge indictment on Harbaugh. Gil Brandt is like the NFL Scout of NFL scouts. If he’s saying that Patterson looked like a high NFL draft pick after Brandt saw Patterson at a passing camp and then went to Michigan and fall off the face of the earth and regressed and that Brandt didn’t even have Patterson in his top 200 players. DAMN.
Yup. Maybe Patterson was injured ...I don’t think he was injured. I think Harbaugh is just a hard guy to play QB for. Takes a certain personality to be able to stomach him. Takes a tough guy that’s always even keeled like Andrew Luck where nothing fazes him. Not sure Patterson has ever been that type of kid.
Wow. That’s a huge indictment on Harbaugh. Gil Brandt is like the NFL Scout of NFL scouts. If he’s saying that Patterson looked like a high NFL draft pick after Brandt saw Patterson at a passing camp and then went to Michigan and fall off the face of the earth and regressed and that Brandt didn’t even have Patterson in his top 200 players. DAMN.This would be some embellishment.
Patterson literally cost himself millions by transferring to Michigan.
I don’t think he was injured. I think Harbaugh is just a hard guy to play QB for. Takes a certain personality to be able to stomach him. Takes a tough guy that’s always even keeled like Andrew Luck where nothing fazes him. Not sure Patterson has ever been that type of kid.Josh Johnson, Alex Smith, Jake Rudock and Colin Kaepernick are all noted even-keeled tough guys.
Harbaugh is a QB killer.
I agree with BAB some of these guys look like can't miss man/childs.And of course the evaluators can't point out perhaps they missed the mark.Hell I did on John O'korn who played at M a few years back.In HS he won a state championship in Florida.He transferred to Michigan from U of Houston.He'd have highlight reel plays,then turn around and kill drives.Had a cannon and could take off an run like the wind.At critical times he wasn't nearly consistent enough.Ryan Mallet(not a JH guy) was another guy.Wilton Spreight another guy with size and an arm.I never bought into the QB whisperer stuff but JH did a good job with Kapernick in SF.Luck at Stanford was plug in and play.Alex Smith Urbz had him already putting up big numbers in Utah.We'll see what Patterson does on sundaysHow many Offensive coordinators did Patterson have to learn under in his college career? I wonder if starting over from scratch 3-4 times had an effect.
How many Offensive coordinators did Patterson have to learn under in his college career? I wonder if starting over from scratch 3-4 times had an effect.Four.
Four.Yikes. Might prepare him for the NFL, though. Learning a new playbook would be a snap I suppose.
Yikes. Might prepare him for the NFL, though. Learning a new playbook would be a snap I suppose.that's a good point,any coordinator would factor that in prolly.Were the shcemes overhauled or adjusted
that's a good point,any coordinator would factor that in prolly.Were the shcemes overhauled or adjustedWell obviously it was a big change from Ole Miss to UM, and then he went from a pro style to read-option. I'd say at least 3 overhauls.
ESPN’s FPI predicts Michigan to win 7.4 games.They have a super tough schedule, but I still think they get 9 wins.
Harbaugh’s seat gonna get white hot I think if they really only win 7 and take another ass beating by Ohio State.
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| Saturday Dec. 5 | (https://fbschedules.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/big-ten-230x230.png) | Big Ten ChampionshipLucas Oil Stadium, Indianapolis, IN | Time TBA ETTV TBA |
They have a super tough schedule, but I still think they get 9 wins.I think the real unknown for me in regards to Michigan is the QB play. If McCaffrey is anything like his father or older brother in terms of the winning intangibles and football IQ- he could wind up being a massive upgrade over Shea Patterson. And if he is, it will really beg the question why the hell wasn't he getting an opportunity to start last year. McCaffrey just hasn't had any real opportunity to really play. There is just no way to gauge it. Complete question mark. The OL is the 2nd biggest ? mark after losing 4 starters to the NFL draft. They'll have a really good tackle duo in Ryan Hayes and Jalen Mayfield- the best they've ever had under Harbaugh yet- but filling in G-C-G is going to be tough. Ceasr Ruiz coming back for his senior year would've helped out there A LOT.
ya Jackson is elusive watched him in some of Ms games he looked all thatHe played mostly RB in HS. From Northern Cali. Track kid in HS too. He ran 4.39-40 at Nike combines and set the all-time record there for fastest shuttle time with a 3.85. Speed merchant for sure. Michigan needs more guys like this that can take the top off a defense and hit a home-run. Part of the reason why I wanted them to play Ambry Thomas at WR instead of CB his freshman year- that's another dude with elite speed and quickness. They brought in two freshman receivers in the 2020 class that are speed merchants in AJ Henning and Roman Wilson. Henning and Wilson both have elite top-end speed and short area quickness. Henning 4.42-40 and 4.08 shuttle- Wilson 4.37-40 and 3.96 shuttle.
ya Jackson is elusive watched him in some of Ms games he looked all thatI really like Evans. You really need breakaway speed at the tailback position these days, and Charbonnet doesn't have that. Evans is really shifty and can make guy miss.
I really like Evans. You really need breakaway speed at the tailback position these days, and Charbonnet doesn't have that. Evans is really shifty and can make guy miss.Charbonnet was dealing with injuries for a big chunk of his freshman year. And he's got more speed than you think. Even with playing through the injuries- he ran for 726 yards and scored 11 TD's as a true frosh while splitting time with Hassan Haskins.
I think Michigan linebacker play last year was average to above average, but you could see improvement from game to game. I think they will be very good in 2020, especially that McGrone dude.
There's a lot of love for Ambry Thomas, but he's a bit overrated, IMO. He will need to step up his game to be even a second team All-Big selection.
Yeah, agreed, Hill was vastly overrated. Thomas was the linchpin back there.Hill had an awful senior season. He went from being a potential 3rd-4th rd pick as a junior to going undrafted because his senior year was so bad. He most definitely regressed. All anyone has to do is watch the clips from the OSU/Bama games. Basically all of the big passing plays were either on LaVert Hill or Josh Metellus. Thomas was playing at such a high level that teams were actually picking on LaVert Hill.
Pro Football Focus has rated Thomas as one of the 10 best players in the entire B1G going into 2020 by the way. They rated him #7 actually.Nice write up does he still return kicks,I remember he went yard vs ND
PFF: “Thomas lined up in press man on over 81 percent of his coverage snaps, which was the fourth-highest rate in college football, and allowed just a 53.3 passer rating on targets thrown his way in that alignment. Among returning cornerbacks, Thomas is easily one of the top 10 press-man outside corners.”
Nice write up does he still return kicks,I remember he went yard vs NDThomas was focused on defense only full-time for the first time in his career last year. They had true frosh WR Giles Jackson returning kickoffs and WR's DPJ & Ronnie Bell returning punts.
Maybe Thomas is better than I think. I kinda figured him as a second team All-Big talent, but not a first team or All-American.Thomas was 2nd team All-B1G on Pro Football Focus' All-B1G teams last year. 1st team CB's were Jeff Okudah from Ohio State and Michael Ojemudia from Iowa.
Thomas was focused on defense only full-time for the first time in his career last year. They had true frosh WR Giles Jackson returning kickoffs and WR's DPJ & Ronnie Bell returning punts.Ya with Jackson back no reason to side track Thomas.
So, it seems Michigan has a tough schedule and a wide range of possible season outcomes, is that fair?Yup.
I can see 11-1 and 7-5 as possibilities.Only way they possibly get to 11-1 is if McCaffrey is the real deal Holyfield and the DT’s develop.
So, you're saying it's POSSIBLE?It’s possible. But unlikely.
Only way they possibly get to 11-1 is if McCaffrey is the real deal Holyfield and the DT’s develop.The fact he's stayed around so long is impressive. Also the fact they don't list redshirts is annoying.
And if McCaffrey is really just awesome than it will beg the question why the hell wasn’t he starting last year and why did they chase Patterson and have him transfer in and guarantee him a starting job in the first place.
So, if 7-5 is possible and 11-1 is possible, as outliers, then one might figure 9-3 is the sweet spot.9-3 sounds about right. Harbaugh gonna Harbaugh.
I'd put a very slight possibility at the 6-6/12-0 pair.
I wish UGA would schedule them again.
Dang, MrNubbz! That picture is blinding me!He tans better than i do and apparently is in better shape also
He tans better than i do and apparently is in better shape alsoSo, you're even a brighter white than Harbaugh is?
2 miles to the Lake,70 to Bob and Doug McKenzie'sThe Lake? Lake of the Ozarks? Lake in the Woods? Lake Champlain?
The Lake? Lake of the Ozarks? Lake in the Woods? Lake Champlain?One clue where did/does Bob & Doug Live?Take off Eh,
Oh, Lake Erie?!
One clue where did/does Bob & Doug Live?Take off Eh,I had to look 'em up, eh?
Ya the Canadian affiliation - take off to the great white north - that doesn't ring a bell with assistence from RUSHThat was a Geddy Lee song on another band's album, actually.
What's going on with the old team doctor who worked under Bo?no idea
no ideaYou haven't heard about it?
You haven't heard about it?link won't let me read. asking me to sign up to pay for Chicago Tribune. No thanks.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-nw-nyt-michigan-football-sex-abuse-20200525-nfrr2oe64navnnhromeokfhfqq-story.html
(https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-nw-nyt-michigan-football-sex-abuse-20200525-nfrr2oe64navnnhromeokfhfqq-story.html)
“Michigan's receiving corps had a drop rate of 12.6% last season. That ranked 121st nationally. Even worse, Michigan receivers had an on-target catch rate of 75.2% last year, according to Sports Info Solutions. That ranked 129th nationally, with only Buffalo being worse at 73.5%.Is "on-target catch rate" a different stat than "on-target rate"? If so, what a coincidence that both were 75.2%. (Maybe a typo in there?) If not, how was one 129th nationally and the other 32nd nationally?
This tells me two things. One is that Patterson was better than you thought. His on-target rate last season of 75.2% wasn't elite, but did rank No. 32 in the country. It was also a full 19% higher than his 56.2% completion rate. The second is that it will be hard for Michigan receivers to be worse in 2020.“
Jim Harbaugh has delivered many memorable football guy quotes in his day, enough to fill up a book (“Attack the day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind” is a personal favorite). But this latest quote, one that’s created a number of unfavorable headlines, is one Harbaugh is going to wish everyone forgets.For some reason it both bothers me that the writers says less than three games instead of fewer. He also is bad at math as he has Michigan heading into an OSU game at 11-1.
But it’s going to be hard to forget for college football fans who have been paying attention to his Michigan tenure. During a Q&A with 247sports.com, the topic of the Wolverines winning a National Championship came up. Here’s what Harbaugh had to say:
“I mean, just look back over the last the last years that we've been here last five years. About as close as you can possibly be. But you got to put it over the top. That’s what drives us.”
Hoooo boy Jim. Jim. Jim. Jim. “As close as you can possibly be” ? Before I try to (sort of) defend him, it should be pointed out that Harbaugh has never won more than 10 games in Ann Arbor, and never lost less than three. He’s lost four consecutive bowl games, the last two by three scores each. “Close” is the exact opposite of what the Wolverines have been to a National Championship.
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/jim-harbaugh-has-reached-a-new-level-of-delusional-with-this-quo?utm_medium=email&utm_source=052920&utm_campaign=hitlist (https://www.golfdigest.com/story/jim-harbaugh-has-reached-a-new-level-of-delusional-with-this-quo?utm_medium=email&utm_source=052920&utm_campaign=hitlist)
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Jim Harbaugh has delivered many memorable football guy quotes in his day, enough to fill up a book (“Attack the day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind” is a personal favorite). But this latest quote, one that’s created a number of unfavorable headlines, is one Harbaugh is going to wish everyone forgets.Well he was super close to getting to the B1G CG/playoff in 2016, and then he completely fall apart against OSU in the 2nd half. He pulls out that game either time he's in the B1G CG and the favorite to win the CG and get into the playoff. And if not for a miracle fluke play with 8 seconds left in a game vs MSU in 2015 he's 11-2 in his rookie season.
But it’s going to be hard to forget for college football fans who have been paying attention to his Michigan tenure. During a Q&A with 247sports.com, the topic of the Wolverines winning a National Championship came up. Here’s what Harbaugh had to say:
“I mean, just look back over the last the last years that we've been here last five years. About as close as you can possibly be. But you got to put it over the top. That’s what drives us.”
Hoooo boy Jim. Jim. Jim. Jim. “As close as you can possibly be” ? Before I try to (sort of) defend him, it should be pointed out that Harbaugh has never won more than 10 games in Ann Arbor, and never lost less than three. He’s lost four consecutive bowl games, the last two by three scores each. “Close” is the exact opposite of what the Wolverines have been to a National Championship.
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/jim-harbaugh-has-reached-a-new-level-of-delusional-with-this-quo?utm_medium=email&utm_source=052920&utm_campaign=hitlist (https://www.golfdigest.com/story/jim-harbaugh-has-reached-a-new-level-of-delusional-with-this-quo?utm_medium=email&utm_source=052920&utm_campaign=hitlist)
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it's a golf digest writerHe hasn't been as close as you can possibly be. He's been two rungs below that.
not great, just thought it interesting
typical Harbaugh quote
For some reason it both bothers me that the writers says less than three games instead of fewer. He also is bad at math as he has Michigan heading into an OSU game at 11-1.It bothers you because it is incorrect English. I try to correct this--getting "less" and "fewer," as well as "much" and "many," confused--in my students. But it's tough. They see and hear the wrong usage everywhere. I'll bet that even their English teachers even use those words incorrectly as often as not.
It's a mostly dumb statement from Jimbo as well obviously. He had two teams that were one game from Indy, one of which had a layup in the Big Ten title game (the other would've had a rematch with a team would've smothered at home). It is what it is.
who ya think Harbaugh likes?Hard to tell. Jim has seemed enamored with Milton ever since day one just because of the dudes imposing size and powerful arm. Milton was super raw coming out of HS though. And I really don't think Harbaugh is the right guy to develop him. Milton could have become incredible playing for a QB guru like Lincoln Riley or Ryan Day or the former LSU QB guru Joe Brady. I'm enamored with his ability but have no clue if he'll ever be developed into something special.
Good article on JJ McCarthy.Thanks for the link. Hard not to get excited as a Michigan fan. I think he'll be the type of QB that is developed enough to not be ruined by Jim, and with thick enough skin and the personality to put up with Harbaugh's weirdness and other bullshit.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-jj-mccarthy-football-recruit-transfer-coronavirus-20200625-db2s4szlc5dmfmgydxhbpxltge-story.html (https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-jj-mccarthy-football-recruit-transfer-coronavirus-20200625-db2s4szlc5dmfmgydxhbpxltge-story.html)
As it stands now with the Big Ten only playing conference games this year Michigan's season opener will be Sept. 26th when they host Wisconsin. Wisconsin, either through serendipity or use of a magic crystal ball had scheduled Indiana at home on Sept. 4th. Having one game under their belt by the time they visit Ann Arbor is a huge advantage. I'm hoping the Big Ten expands the schedule and adds additional games. It would be good for Michigan to get a game with Nebraska or Illinois prior to the Wisconsin game. A game at Iowa at night not so much.They have to, with the Big Ten adding conference games throughout the year.
starting OT Jaylen Mayfield announces he's going to opt out of the 2020 season- if there is one- and that he is preparing for the 2021 NFL draft.Some speculation Paye is gone too. Honestly there is no point in any NFL prospects playing in the spring. If you are a top 3 round lock, which both guys are, don't risk it.
Mayfield redshirted in 2018, started every game as a RS Frosh in 2019, and will be skipping 2020 entirely.
Mel Kiper had him rated as a very high 1st round pick for the 2021 draft. I'm guessing the feedback Mayfield got from NFL teams was pretty good as well and that's why he's announced this.
Some speculation Paye is gone too. Honestly there is no point in any NFL prospects playing in the spring. If you are a top 3 round lock, which both guys are, don't risk it.If we do get some spring football it's going to be very interesting to see who plays or not. The draft is scheduled for April 29th - completely possible college football is still going on. While the stars would most likely sit out, there is that "trying to be a star" group that would have to way the benefits of playing. And if they play, then get drafted midseason, do they stop playing?
Thankfully, MSU has nobody like that
If we do get some spring football it's going to be very interesting to see who plays or not. The draft is scheduled for April 29th - completely possible college football is still going on. While the stars would most likely sit out, there is that "trying to be a star" group that would have to way the benefits of playing. And if they play, then get drafted midseason, do they stop playing?Mayfield is just the first of many to sit and prep for the NFL draft. I’m sure Ohio State, Bama, Clemson, UGA, etc., etc. all have guys that will announce their intention to sit.
Mayfield is just the first of many to sit and prep for the NFL draft. I’m sure Ohio State, Bama, Clemson, UGA, etc., etc. all have guys that will announce their intention to sit.I would assume so. I'm more talking about the guys like maybe Josh Ross, who wants to show he's an NFL guy but may need some games to show it.
I would assume so. I'm more talking about the guys like maybe Josh Ross, who wants to show he's an NFL guy but may need some games to show it.I would imagine most guys like that will be playing. And anyone who has already gotten 1st or 2nd round grades from mock experts or nfl scouts will probably be sitting.
I'm guessing the feedback Mayfield got from NFL teams was pretty good as well and that's why he's announced this.This is why the talk of expanding the play offs fell on deaf ears to me.Even before COVID - NFL/CFL bound kids aren't going to extend their chance of injury.If this debacle ever clears up play off expansion will just dilute the pool IMO.It'll be strange when the '20 & '21 Draft guyswill be rookies at the same time
If we do get some spring football it's going to be very interesting to see who plays or not. The draft is scheduled for April 29th - completely possible college football is still going on. While the stars would most likely sit out, there is that "trying to be a star" group that would have to way the benefits of playing. And if they play, then get drafted midseason, do they stop playing?Currently. The NFL is holding a hard line right now not talking about changing their draft date, but I could easily see them moving it and the combine back if all hell breaks loose with this thing.
Thankfully, MSU has nobody like thatHA!
Currently. The NFL is holding a hard line right now not talking about changing their draft date, but I could easily see them moving it and the combine back if all hell breaks loose with this thing.They aren’t moving the draft back for shit, and this thing isn’t that bad. It’s overblown media bullshit hype.
They aren’t moving the draft back for shit, and this thing isn’t that bad. It’s overblown media bullshit hype.The number of American COVID deaths is 58 times the number of deaths in the 9/11 attacks.
The number of American COVID deaths is 58 times the number of deaths in the 9/11 attacks.Oh Jesus Christ give me a break with this dramatic bullshit will you.
neither does the number of deaths in the 9/11 attacksNo shit. Lmao. You’d think he’d have gotten that point.
We're 200,000 deaths over where our death toll should be. The notion that COVID deaths have been overcounted doesn't hold water.Last I checked official US count was 177k. So negative 23,000 people should have died? Wtf are you even saying.
neither does the number of deaths in the 9/11 attacksYes, it does, because that was something that hit us, not us hitting the Japanese.
Last I checked official US count was 177k. So negative 23,000 people should have died? Wtf are you even saying.Your comprehension is better than that.
COVID deaths have been overcounted, this thing has been politicized, it’s nowhere near as lethal as idiots in media or hype would have you believe- and I literally personally know 15 people who have had it and not one of them has died and only a couple of them were actually very sick.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist however I personally know of 4 people who signed up to get tested.Had yet to be tested but received positive results.That tells me something smell in Denmark,I've heard other people state this but was like meh,until I became aware of it.Either Hospitals or big pharma seem to be angling for some reimbursement or research coin IMHO.This exact thing happened to my father. They are over-counting the shit out of these positive cases. And just because someone tests positive doesn't mean they died or even got sick. Both of my sisters were positive, one was sick for a week with flu-like symptoms- and the other- all she got was headaches and a runny nose for a couple days. This whole f'n thing has been blown out of proportion.
This exact thing happened to my father. They are over-counting the shit out of these positive cases. And just because someone tests positive doesn't mean they died or even got sick. Both of my sisters were positive, one was sick for a week with flu-like symptoms- and the other- all she got was headaches and a runny nose for a couple days. This whole f'n thing has been blown out of proportion.It wouldn’t be the precision expected of this board if it wasn’t pointed out that % sign makes that statement off by a factor of 100. So either 0.0005 of the population or 0.05 percent of the population. Thank you for your time.
This is not a disease that is indiscrimantely wiping out the young and healthy and killing a high % of people who get infected and killing millions of people. There are 350 million people in this country. You're talking about a disease that has killed .0005 % of the population- if you believe the inflated death toll numbers- which I do not. And of that .0005% - VAST MAJORITY WERE OLD AS SHIT, SICK AS SHIT, OR FAT, OBESE AND DIABETIC AND WERE PRONE TO GET KILLED BY ANY DISEASE.
McCaffrey transferring?
That's the news. Where he's transferring to I have not heard. Nico Collins has signed with an agent and is going to the NFL too. When it rains it sucks big time.I mean, he's in camp and sees how good Milton is. Maybe he just knows.
McCaffrey was one of the players lobbying the administration to re-start the Big Ten football season. So the day they announce its on again he's says he's gone? I don't get it. There were rumors that Milton would start if they were playing now but there are always rumors like that in camp. McCaffry was way ahead of Milton last year.
That's the news. Where he's transferring to I have not heard. Nico Collins has signed with an agent and is going to the NFL too. When it rains it sucks big time.I was surprised Nico didn't bolt last year.His ability to hang onto the ball is incredible at least from what I've seen and evidently Pro Football Focus bore this out last season
Sharing with UM thread because I think it’s credible:I'm getting all the reverse jinx vibes.RAMZY: BEWARE THE WOLVERINESMichigan is going to be a legitimate pain in the ass this season because it has finally been knocked far enough off of the arrogance perch that has kept its self-defeating culture weaponized for the better part of the millennium. No one is going out of their way to overrate them in 2020. COVID has humbled everyone to a degree, which only benefits the B1G program in most need of humbling, And there’s no anointed savior on the roster; just a bunch of guys accustomed to winning the least when it matters the most.They remind me of Brian Griese’s 1997 Wolverines, minus - and it’s a sizable minus - Charles Woodson. They’ll give everyone their best shot and for the first time in forever, should lack that entitlement chip that’s predictably and consistently knocked them back to earth.
I'm getting all the reverse jinx vibes.My two cents- he’s going back to the nfl very soon. Meyer/Day will have kicked his ass out of the conference.
Also interesting, Jim's contract is running short, which is unheard of. Found this interesting: https://sports.yahoo.com/in-contract-limbo-does-jim-harbaugh-need-to-justify-his-salary-235436731.html
I don't know that the NFL wants guys like him anymore. They seem to like people who play nice with their bosses.Jim wouldn’t go anywhere that he wasn’t on at least equal footing with the GM if not above imo.
Were I a GM, I'd steer clear.
I'm not a fan of Jimmy H., but he'd be better than more than a couple current NFL coachesThis.
and if things don't improve in AA, it won't be very enjoyable for him there
This.Well we only heard out of you how many times? :cheer:
An NFL owner will hire him. People acting like Jim sucks at Michigan.
Well we only heard out of you how many times? :cheer:He’s a big disappointment and I’m tired of his weird bullshit- don’t get me wrong- but it’s not like he’s Brady Hoke or RichRod. He is a good coach. Maybe just not the elite one we all thought he was. And hey- who knows- maybe he is a better fit in the nfl?
He’s a big disappointment and I’m tired of his weird bullshit- don’t get me wrong- but it’s not like he’s Brady Hoke or RichRod. He is a good coach. Maybe just not the elite one we all thought he was. And hey- who knows- maybe he is a better fit in the nfl?his expectations were high coming in
Hopefully Jerry Jones takes the gamble. That would be fun to watch.I actually think that might work out better than we all think. Dallas has a great RB and good QB already there.
I actually think that might work out better than we all think. Dallas has a great RB and good QB already there.Andy Dalton?