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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Cincydawg on December 12, 2019, 05:36:23 PM
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What would it be?
Rules change?
Recruiting?
Playoffs?
Bowl selection?
Paying players?
More cheerleaders?
Better bands?
A 110 yard long field?
Safeties worth 4 points? Field goals worth adjusted by distance? (A 50 yarder would be 5 points, 40 would be 4, etc..)
Practicable means it could sort of happen, unlike say eliminating commercial delays during games. We'd be ALL over that one.
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legit refs. maybe even professional refs.
i didn't watch a lot of B1G games this season, but i can tell you the SEC was terrible- absolute mockery of 'regulating' the game. without shame in many cased. betting is now legal in many states and CFB is second only to NFL, and i strongly suspect there a correlation. i can't tell you how many time this season i thought to myself "no. freakin. way. did they just call that", and just to say in the same game "how did they miss that?".
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Cheerleaders can't wear winter coats and snow pants. If they want to wear 20 layers of tights under the uniforms, fine. But the outer layer should always be the traditional cheerleader uniform.
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I don't care for the rule that if a defensive player jumps into the neutral zone, without making contact and causes an offensive lineman to jump, it is a penalty on the defense. The offensive lineman knows that snap count and is protected by a helmet and shoulder pads. I would eliminate that rule if possible.
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yup, go back to 70s rules for the O-linemen
gotta be on the line of scrimmage and ya gotta be set and stay set
NO HOLDING!!! NO grabbing with your grubby fat fingers
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At least once per broadcast each announcer should be required to say something derogatory about the Wolverines.
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No playoffs, old poll system, sugar and orange opposite each other in prime time on 1/1.
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yup, go back to 70s rules for the O-linemen
gotta be on the line of scrimmage and ya gotta be set and stay set
NO HOLDING!!! NO grabbing with your grubby fat fingers
Love it
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At least once per broadcast each announcer should be required to say something derogatory about the Wolverines.
If it's a big game, they usually do. :88:
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Reduce the roster volatility.
Close the transfer portal, but still allow transfers, but with no waivers. Grad transfers can still go without sitting a year, and no rule about only if your school doesn't offer the program.
But on the flip side, formalize the offer process. Offers are written and comfortable, and you can never have more official offers out than the max number of allowable scholarships. Only limitation would be pending academic acceptance. The scholarship offers are also valid for the entirety of your eligibility, even if it's 5 or 6 years.
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And if it had to be an in game rule, Id go to a 100% coach's challenge replay system. Unlimited challenges, but each one wrong costs a timeout.
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I can't believe I'm saying this, but bring ties back.
Sudden death overtime genuinely isn't fair (despite there being a nearly 50/50 outcome).
The current overtime rules are video gamey.
Ties suck, yes. But you earned that tie. You weren't good enough to win. They feel deserved.
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I can't believe I'm saying this, but bring ties back.
Sudden death overtime genuinely isn't fair (despite there being a nearly 50/50 outcome).
The current overtime rules are video gamey.
Ties suck, yes. But you earned that tie. You weren't good enough to win. They feel deserved.
Yes. There was something satisfying and illuminating about the discomfort of a tie. Sort of a nobody deserved to win moment. My favorite was when Pat Tie Dye managed to salvage a tie vs Tennessee coming back from down 26-7. Tenn fg missed a GW fg, and a player was filmed chucking a water cup at the kicker on the sideline after the miss, while Dye's team was celebrating. That was Pat Dye, no balls. Need to find video of that. Think it was 1990 or 1991.
Conversely that final tie, 3-3, Ill at UW, the game deserved it.
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Plus I hate OT. The whole concept is very unsatisfying.
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Could everybody pushing an 8-team playoff please spontaneously combust?
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The new OT rules that haven't been tested yet as far as I know (only 2-pt conversions on the 5th OT) are an improvement, but I'd move the starting point back to midfield to force teams to get into FG range. Either way it's better than the NFL but starting at the 25 yard line is just too close and marginalizes the defense.
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1. Move the extra point try to the 10-yard line, and require it be a drop kick. Award two-points for a successful drop kick. Allow 3-points if a team can run or pass it into the end zone.
2. Eliminate Maryland and Rutgers from the Big Ten. They haven't added much. I would only do this if #3 were adopted, as well.
3. Roll back to 11-game schedules. Twelve games are too hard on the body.
4. Enforce the "false start" rule. Once the offense is set, I don't want to see linemen stand up and look at the sideline. It's not allowed by the rules. Recently I saw this draw a defensive offside when, after the linemen were set, they all stood up and looked at the sideline. That's a "false start." Enforce the rule.
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The new OT rules that haven't been tested yet as far as I know (only 2-pt conversions on the 5th OT) are an improvement, but I'd move the starting point back to midfield to force teams to get into FG range. Either way it's better than the NFL but starting at the 25 yard line is just too close and marginalizes the defense.
I think there was a game with the new rule? UNC?
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You want to see why ties are awesome.? #5 Tenn at #3 AU 1990, I think this is late Sept., as I remember USC beat Ohio State this day and Nebraska beat Ore St. Ron Franklin and Gary Danielson on the call.
I was little bit off, it was 26-10 Tennessee in the 4th and AU has a nice rally and scores a TD with about 1:56 left scoring on a tough 4th and 10 pass by Stan White and kicks the PAT for the tie.
Tenn drives into a FG range, and at 2:32.10 you can watch it unfold. Notice a Volunteer player fires a water cup off the helmet off of his kicker's helmet after he saunters off the field after missing the kick. Auburn is delirious of course.
one other footnote: is it me, or was a lot louder at college football games years ago? I've thought this for awhile, the video boards, the piped in music and of course smartphones has interfered as much as anything, but this game is loud, all the freaking time.
https://youtu.be/6kV9-2n7PAU
UT at AU 1990 (https://youtu.be/6kV9-2n7PAU)
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The games need to be sped up.
Change Time outs to just 1 per quarter.
No tv time outs on the field. TV will either have to go split screen to show commercials, or cut away for a couple of plays and then catch up by showing replays. I am just tired of these 4 hour marathons in college football. The game should be over in 2.5 hours. 3 hours max
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As for ties, it simply is not practical to have overtime only for the playoffs. Something needs to be in place in the regular season that establishes how overtime works.
Now maybe in the regular season you can just end the game in a tie after 2 overtimes. But I don't like ties. There always needs to be some kind of tie-breaker to say who wins. Whether its division or conference champions or regular games, there has to be something that breaks the tie. There are hard fought games all the time that could go either way, but one team needs to win and one team needs to lose.
But I don't like games dragging out forever either. So I would prefer they go to the rotating 2-pt conversions right from the start of OT. You don't think that's fair? Tough. You had 60 minutes of regulation to win the game fairly. At that point, they just need a quick way to break the tie. Don't whine because you couldn't get it done in regulation time. You know what the rules are and how overtime works. So do what you have to do to win the game.
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The biggest thing for me is commercial time. I know I said changing that was not practicable, but maybe it is, the split screen idea, or a rolling banner below when the huddle. Buy new Kenosha Stretch Underwear for your Goodies. This is particularly annoying when you are at a game in person, aside from the 4 hours part.
I kinda like ties. Sorta. It makes going to two late in a game a bit more of a puzzle.
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If they have to keep commercial breaks, I would prefer they be more evenly distributed throughout the quarter.
Instead of after every possession change, have the breaks 11:00, 7:00, and 3:00 munutes
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All replay reviews are limited to ten seconds. The ref gets to look at the replay once, no more than twice, and then he's done.
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Just stop trying to turn it into two hand touch/flag football.
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The biggest thing for me is commercial time.
Ed Zachery,every time there is a time out for anything an injury or referees review they should break for commercial.Satifying the advertisers and paying the bills.We don't need to watch the time delays
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As for ties, it simply is not practical to have overtime only for the playoffs. Something needs to be in place in the regular season that establishes how overtime works.
Now maybe in the regular season you can just end the game in a tie after 2 overtimes. But I don't like ties. There always needs to be some kind of tie-breaker to say who wins. Whether its division or conference champions or regular games, there has to be something that breaks the tie.
Conference point differential, with a cap at 25 points for each game (3+ possessions). To break a conference or division tie, include only conference or divisional games. For a national playoff, use point diff for the whole season. It doesn't eliminate strategy - both teams know before the game starts who can afford a tie (win with a tie) and who has to go for the win.
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Drew mentioned reffing. For some reason, I thought it was worse than "normal" this season, and I'm talking games I was watching with NDitF. The Iron Bowl was truly weird, even for it. There were some bizarre calls that benefited the Dawgs. I know it happens every season, but this year seemed far worse than normal.
I don't know why or how to fix it.
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Drew mentioned reffing. For some reason, I thought it was worse than "normal" this season, and I'm talking games I was watching with NDitF. The Iron Bowl was truly weird, even for it. There were some bizarre calls that benefited the Dawgs. I know it happens every season, but this year seemed far worse than normal.
I don't know why or how to fix it.
The NFL is just as bad too. We can see everything, the game is faster, they keep adding rules, and teams do more things, so there's more to watch.
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Reduce the roster volatility.
Close the transfer portal, but still allow transfers, but with no waivers. Grad transfers can still go without sitting a year, and no rule about only if your school doesn't offer the program.
But on the flip side, formalize the offer process. Offers are written and comfortable, and you can never have more official offers out than the max number of allowable scholarships. Only limitation would be pending academic acceptance. The scholarship offers are also valid for the entirety of your eligibility, even if it's 5 or 6 years.
I think I might have an addendum to this. I want bigger schools to care less about football.
I don’t mean the fans, but I want the fans care to not reflect university approach. I want the schools to treat it as a modest boost in revenue, but not an all consuming competition.
This means when a kid picks big state U over directional State, it’s not because of great buildings and new weight room. It means schools balk at making coaches highly paid. Maybe it even means a lack of volatility when it comes to management (maybe, though if they stop giving crazy buyouts, maybe not).
Granted, the dirty secret is the majority of fans like volatility on a lot of fronts, but not when it comes to some kinds of player movement.
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I don't care for the rule that if a defensive player jumps into the neutral zone, without making contact and causes an offensive lineman to jump, it is a penalty on the defense. The offensive lineman knows that snap count and is protected by a helmet and shoulder pads. I would eliminate that rule if possible.
With this, I worry defenses are going to start jumping in to bait it. Which would be most annoying.
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Get rid of helmets and eliminate the targeting rule.
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It is quickly becoming a contest of who can take it back the largest amount of decades. Soon you guys will have us playing soccer
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1. Move the extra point try to the 10-yard line, and require it be a drop kick. Award two-points for a successful drop kick. Allow 3-points if a team can run or pass it into the end zone.
2. Eliminate Maryland and Rutgers from the Big Ten. They haven't added much. I would only do this if #3 were adopted, as well.
3. Roll back to 11-game schedules. Twelve games are too hard on the body.
4. Enforce the "false start" rule. Once the offense is set, I don't want to see linemen stand up and look at the sideline. It's not allowed by the rules. Recently I saw this draw a defensive offside when, after the linemen were set, they all stood up and looked at the sideline. That's a "false start." Enforce the rule.
The can be "set" an move as long as their set position doesn't involve one or both of their hands being on the ground. Once the hand goes down on the ground they cannot pick it up. If you look you will see the are in a position with their arms on their upper legs when they then move. So they are enforcing the rule as written
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It is quickly becoming a contest of who can take it back the largest amount of decades. Soon you guys will have us playing soccer
Disagree, if that was the case, everyone would propose unlimited payments to players, like Michigan did to build their program in the late 1800s
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With this, I worry defenses are going to start jumping in to bait it. Which would be most annoying.
There is an easy remedy for that, one that we employed when I played in college 30 some years ago. Our offense would get set and if a D lineman jumped into the neutral zone, the center would simply snap the ball forcing the ref to throw the flag for offsides. Worked every time.
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I would eliminate most of the automatic first down for penalties. Nothing worse than it being 3rd and long and some stupid penalty that had no effect on the play and the offense gets a first down.
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no more half the distance to the gold for penalty yardage
if the ball is at the 11 yards line and there's a ten yard holding penalty, the ball goes to the 1.
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no more half the distance to the gold for penalty yardage
if the ball is at the 11 yards line and there's a ten yard holding penalty, the ball goes to the 1.
Safety if it is on the 9?
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Safety if it is on the 9?
It would be today, as you know, under a certain set of circumstances.
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Ed Zachery,every time there is a time out for anything an injury or referees review they should break for commercial.Satifying the advertisers and paying the bills.We don't need to watch the time delays
we've had the discussion regarding "faked" injuries to slow down the hurry up no huddle offense
if a player is injured severly enough that he can't get off the field under his own power (hopping on one leg) he should sit out until the next series, perhaps until the next quarter
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Safety if it is on the 9?
goes to the half yard line
but I kinda like the safety thing
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I can't believe I'm saying this, but bring ties back.
Sudden death overtime genuinely isn't fair (despite there being a nearly 50/50 outcome).
The current overtime rules are video gamey.
Ties suck, yes. But you earned that tie. You weren't good enough to win. They feel deserved.
Yes. There was something satisfying and illuminating about the discomfort of a tie. Sort of a nobody deserved to win moment. My favorite was when Pat Tie Dye managed to salvage a tie vs Tennessee coming back from down 26-7. Tenn fg missed a GW fg, and a player was filmed chucking a water cup at the kicker on the sideline after the miss, while Dye's team was celebrating. That was Pat Dye, no balls. Need to find video of that. Think it was 1990 or 1991.
Conversely that final tie, 3-3, Ill at UW, the game deserved it.
Eh. I get the whole "satisfying" thing about a tie, but I love college OT.
Especially when it goes multiple OT. It's like a roller coaster ride emotionally. First OT, you get the ball, score a TD. Then you get the opposing team stuck in fourth and long and you think you've sealed the win, but they convert [they always convert 4th and long against Purdue lol] and score a TD. They get the ball, and score only a FG, so you think you're solid. But you get stymied, and only get a FG as well. Then it goes into forced 2pt conversions, where your chances live and die not only on getting the TD, but getting the 2pt... It's exciting. If two teams play to a draw in regulation, might as well make it an exciting roll-the-dice crapshoot from there!
I hate NFL overtime. It's better now that it's not explicitly sudden death (since a FG on the first possession won't end it), but it still seems so dependent on the coin flip. I'd rather see the NFL adopt college OT.
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I like the NCAA tie breaker, just would move the starting point back to just outside FG range
I cornsider a 52 yarder makeable for most solid kickers, should have a leg that strong - this means the 35 yard line at the least
I'd have each team start at the 40, have to make a minumum of 5 yards to have a decent shot at the FG
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Regarding commercials...
After a TD, if you break for commercial, you CANNOT then break for commercial after the ensuing kickoff too.
That's one of my biggest pet peeves. I don't know if I've noticed it all that recently though... Are they still doing that?
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that's convenient if you need a bathroom break AND are mixing drinks/preparing food
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goes to the half yard line
What if they commit the penalty inside of the half yard line?
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take 6 inches
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And if they commit the penalty on the five inch line?
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kick the offender in the nads
that would cause a decrease in flags
I really am surprised that at the NFL level, there are so many flags
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3rd and centimeters?
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that's convenient if you need a bathroom break AND are mixing drinks/preparing food
and washing your hands
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if I have time
two minute commercial breaks
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I would eliminate most of the automatic first down for penalties. Nothing worse than it being 3rd and long and some stupid penalty that had no effect on the play and the offense gets a first down.
I agree with this (removal of excessive automatic first down.) I would like pass interference to be a spot foul capped at 15 yards, and only grant 1st down if in the end zone.
I would also like targeting to be reduced from auto ejection to a personal foul, (keeping 2 personal fouls equal an ejection.)
Speaking of personal fouls, are celebration penalties still counted as such?
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I remain unconvinced about how awesome ties are and how evil OT is, but I do like the idea of moving the starting line back 10-15 yards. Might also require teams to go for two right off the bat.
I know this was brought up as a player safety idea, but I actually like the idea of eliminating kickoffs and instead having basically the equivalent of a 4th and 15 on their 35 yard line, they can punt it or try to concert it for an "onsides" attempt.
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I agree with this (removal of excessive automatic first down.) I would like pass interference to be a spot foul capped at 15 yards, and only grant 1st down if in the end zone.
simply don't give every advantage to the offense
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https://thespun.com/college-football/report-8-team-college-football-playoff-considered?fbclid=IwAR1jrdGEJWfWbz_LUVZom4xKhvmK_B3mMVZSj1k1oketxq9ijuZEvZzeH1I (https://thespun.com/college-football/report-8-team-college-football-playoff-considered?fbclid=IwAR1jrdGEJWfWbz_LUVZom4xKhvmK_B3mMVZSj1k1oketxq9ijuZEvZzeH1I)
The 8 team thing is rearing its ugly rumor head again right on time.
This year, we'd have the current four plus Oregon, Memphis, and two at large, I'd guess UGA and Baylor. None of those strike me as real playoff caliber teams, but whatever.
LSU - Memphis
OSU - Baylor
Clemson - UGA
OU- Oregon
I guess so, played in bowl locations or home fields?
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I'm seeing 3 ugly blowouts there. That's what we want - playoff blowouts!
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3rd and centimeters?
3rd and asymptote!
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Here is my ELA-esque 8 team playoff for this year with fabricated results:
LSU - Memphis 52-13
OSU - Baylor 37-10
Clemson - UGA 38-13
OU- Oregon 42-31
LSU - OU 45-37
OSU - Clemson 35-31
LSU - OSU 28-34 Ohio State, National Champions 2019. Or 2020, depending.
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People wanting the top G5 team to get into an 8-team playoff must be a descendant of someone who enjoyed public executions. That G5 team will almost always be the 8 seed and face #1. It would become an annual public ass-beating.
No thanks.
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Not only that, but the One Seed could come up with a key injury to a critical player and suddenly not be nearly as good.
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People wanting the top G5 team to get into an 8-team playoff must be a descendant of someone who enjoyed public executions. That G5 team will almost always be the 8 seed and face #1. It would become an annual public ass-beating.
No thanks.
Hmmm, I think you just might have described the needed intermediate step to a G5 five playoff.
and the only cost is the last team in is number seven instead of number eight. I like it.
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People wanting the top G5 team to get into an 8-team playoff must be a descendant of someone who enjoyed public executions. That G5 team will almost always be the 8 seed and face #1. It would become an annual public ass-beating.
No thanks.
it would make working for the #1 seed of some value
mostly an easier first round win
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it would make working for the #1 seed of some value
mostly an easier first round win
Yep. Plus upsets happen; Boise over Oklahoma, Utah over Bama, BYU over the Wolverines, etc.
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I love that the big upsets are always big-boy teams that just lost out on a championship to play for....but it's not a thing.
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Under the proposed format we will finally find out.
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I used to think in most years, we'd have one 13-0 team and 4 12-1 teams, or 2 and 2 more 11-2 teams, vying for spots. The last two years have made me question that.
Clemson did play a bad slate, but South Carolina and Texas A&M in general is not a terrible OOC slate. They can't fix the ACC. LSU played Texas, which is a top tier matchup usually. Ohio State plays a 9 game conference slate and did face Cincinnati (and blow them out). I think the jury is out on whether it's better to play a tough OOC slate or try and soft soap through it.
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I love that the big upsets are always big-boy teams that just lost out on a championship to play for....but it's not a thing.
I mean, yes. Every team in a BCS bowl that isn't playing for the whole thing lost out in some way. The ones that win and the ones that lose.
But anyway, if that works out that way, and the G5 team loses by 30 a game five years running, you go to them and say, "Hey y'all, you get the payout to go away and have the G5 playoff." And you lose nothing other than whiny 8 seeds instead of whiny nine seeds.
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I think the jury is out on whether it's better to play a tough OOC slate or try and soft soap through it.
Nah, I think as long as you don't play any FCS teams, it's better to play a fairly soft OOC schedule. Oregon was definitely penalized for playing and losing to Auburn. Utah and Baylor would've made it in if they won their championship games.
Baylor played Stephen F Austin, UT-San Antonio and Rice.
Utah played BYU, Northern Illinois, and Idaho State.
I feel like the best possible schedule is something like Ohio State had where all 3 teams had 8-10 wins, but none were really good enough to challenge you. That way you'd still get a bump against a team like the two above, but you're not risking anything by actually playing a game you could lose. Maybe you could swap one of them out for a UCLA, Oregon State, or Colorado type team that may win 4-6 games.
As a fan of course, I'd rather see the better OOC games, even though they aren't really incentivized right now.
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I do love how Cincinnati has suddenly become a "good win" this year, lol.
Gave up 43 points to East Carolina (in regulation).
Beat USF by 3 points.
Beat Temple by 2 points.
Couldn't beat Memphis in two tries.
Big, bad Cincinnati!
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Florida played a pair of FCS schools.
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Yeah, Cincy is the perfect OOC opponent. You would expect most Power 5 teams with a winning record to beat them, but they can rattle off wins in their conference to make your resume look good. It's a low risk, medium reward scenario. Just the fact that you can somewhat debate that Cincy is better than Texas obviously makes it worth it.
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I do love how Cincinnati has suddenly become a "good win" this year, lol.
Gave up 43 points to East Carolina (in regulation).
Beat USF by 3 points.
Beat Temple by 2 points.
Couldn't beat Memphis in two tries.
Big, bad Cincinnati!
So this is interesting because it seems to come back to sort of the root obsession which is a reminder there's a P5 and a G5, and in your mind, they must be most segregated.
I mean, there's only two teams for which it matters that Cincinnati is a win. OSU and Memphis. Perhaps you're knocking OSU's win, but I'd guess it's more about Memphis.
The beating Memphis part, that's window dressing. If they beat Memphis, you'd be complaining about App or Boise, so the point is mostly moot. Those other three are in fact bad games. That's why Cincinnati is considered as low as a top-35 team. Is that a good win? I dunno. I assume they were a good win last year too, when they went 11-2?
But in the end, 10-win teams are usually considered good enough, especially when they team's they've lost to have one loss total. The only reason it would matter is if you're in a big argument about either OSU's place in the playoff (shrug), or yelling about the pointlessness of the G5 NY6 spot. And that likely sticks around until the better teams make that not competitive football, something they currently sit at 0-5 in.
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UC is probably, as noted, about the 30th best team in the country, generally able to beat teams 50 and lower, and competitive with teams like Memphis, but not at all Ohio State (or any elite G5 team). I imagine Penn State is 3 TDs "better" than Memphis if motivation is equivalent (and it may not be).
Talent matters, unless you have a very quirky offense that team's can't adjust to on defense, and in bowl season that matters less. But lesser talented teams often upset "better" teams in bowl games.
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UC is probably, as noted, about the 30th best team in the country, generally able to beat teams 50 and lower, and competitive with teams like Memphis, but not at all Ohio State (or any elite G5 team). I imagine Penn State is 3 TDs "better" than Memphis if motivation is equivalent (and it may not be).
Talent matters, unless you have a very quirky offense that team's can't adjust to on defense, and in bowl season that matters less. But lesser talented teams often upset "better" teams in bowl games.
Three TDs?
That might be a slight overstatement of PSU or understatement of Memphis, I think. Shoot, PSU at the end of the season was only 3 TDs better than Rutgers. Not that PSU won't win by 3 TDs because football is a quirky game, but man, the gap ain't that wide.
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I'm sure the spread won't be that wide, and the margin won't be that wide, probably. But I'm thinking PSU is 3 TDs better if this was a conference game and meant something. I agree that might be overly generous.