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Title: Pinstripe Bowl: Michigan State 27, Wake Forest 21 (Postgame)
Post by: ELA on December 09, 2019, 09:43:01 AM
At least it's not the Quick Lane Bowl, but kind of bummed we aren't playing Florida State.  Name value obviously.  But I think Wake Forest is actually better too.  10 years from now, we can be like "oh, we beat Florida State in a bowl that time, cool," instead, it's that time we lost in a bowl game to Wake Forest.
Title: Re: Pinstripe Bowl: Michigan State (6-6) vs. Wake Forest (8-4)
Post by: ELA on December 17, 2019, 10:26:49 PM
Kenny Willekes, who was planning on going pro after last year, until he broke his leg in the Redbox Bowl...has decided he will play in the Pinstripe Bowl?
Title: Re: Pinstripe Bowl: Michigan State (6-6) vs. Wake Forest (8-4)
Post by: bayareabadger on December 18, 2019, 12:03:08 AM
At least it's not the Quick Lane Bowl, but kind of bummed we aren't playing Florida State.  Name value obviously.  But I think Wake Forest is actually better too.  10 years from now, we can be like "oh, we beat Florida State in a bowl that time, cool," instead, it's that time we lost in a bowl game to Wake Forest.
Is there really any glory in beating a sad, sad FSU team? (Dave Clawson has done an awesome job BTW)
Title: Re: Pinstripe Bowl: Michigan State (6-6) vs. Wake Forest (8-4)
Post by: ELA on December 18, 2019, 12:49:00 AM
Is there really any glory in beating a sad, sad FSU team? (Dave Clawson has done an awesome job BTW)
Right now?  No.

But the helmet looks better in your memory banks
Title: Re: Pinstripe Bowl: Michigan State (6-6) vs. Wake Forest (8-4)
Post by: CWSooner on December 18, 2019, 12:54:47 PM
Is there really any glory in beating a sad, sad FSU team? (Dave Clawson has done an awesome job BTW)
I am secondarily a University of Tulsa fan.  From that non-helmet perspective, I can say that it is always good, even glorious, to take down a helmet team, no matter how bad that team is at the time.  In 2010, a pretty good (10-3) Tulsa team beat a so-so (8-5) Notre Dame team in South Bend.  Tulsa is 1-0 vs. Notre Dame.  If those teams never play again, Tulsa will still be 1-0 vs. Notre Dame, with the win in South Bend.
It would take some of the luster off that win had Notre Dame finished 6-7, but it still would have been a win over Notre Dame.
Title: Re: Pinstripe Bowl: Michigan State (6-6) vs. Wake Forest (8-4)
Post by: ELA on December 18, 2019, 01:37:06 PM
Raequan Williams playing too
Title: Re: Pinstripe Bowl: Michigan State (6-6) vs. Wake Forest (8-4)
Post by: ELA on December 18, 2019, 01:45:16 PM
Wake Forest All-ACC safety Nasir Greer, who left their season finale with a knee injury, had surgery and will miss the game
Title: Re: Pinstripe Bowl: Michigan State (6-6) vs. Wake Forest (8-4)
Post by: ELA on December 18, 2019, 05:05:03 PM

PINSTRIPE BOWL
Michigan State Spartans (6-6) vs. Wake Forest Demon Deacons (8-4)
December 27 @ 3:20 - New York, NY - ESPN
These are getting tougher to do, why anyone would gamble on them, I don't know.  You always had the question of differing motivations which made these a bit wonkier than regular season games, but now you've got guys sitting out, with the redshirt rules, you've got coaches using it as a shot to give true freshmen some run, and depending on when a kid transferred, you can play a transfer who otherwise wasn't eligible all season.  Last year you had a bowl game between West Virginia and Syracuse, where the Mountaineers' Heisman candidate quarterback didn't play, and the go ahead Syracuse touchdown was scored by Trishton Jackson, a transfer who technically became eligible at the end of the semester, and didn't burn the redshirt by playing in the bowl.  So good luck predicting that game.  Just listening to some of the Michigan State podcasts, the consensus seems to be to give Brian Lewerke one more run with the ones, and then give Lombardi (eh), redshirt freshman Theo Day, and true freshman Payton Thorne each a full a quarter.  All I can do is call this as though the players who are able and willing to play will play, and the coaches coach it like a real game.  Spartan fans seem to wish that Mark Dantonio was as open to change as Dave Clawson was, in reinventing his offense.  Although in fairness, he also made changes on the fly, while retaining Warren Ruggiero as offensive coordinator.  In 2016, the Deacons averaged 69.8 plays per game, in the bottom 30 of the FBS.  Just two years later, in 2018, Wake Forest led the nation with 85 plays per game, and #3 at 2.89 plays per minute.  Only Houston and Central Florida went faster.  They repeated that in 2019.  In 2018 they were just fast, now they are fast, but with improving efficiency.  The Spartan run defense isn't what it was in 2018 or the early portion of 2019, but is still strong, and Wake Forest is only picking up 3.6 ypc on the ground, but that hasn't deterred the Wake Forest play calling, which is #50 in the nation in run play percentage, despite being just #85 in run yardage percentage.  The loss of Sage Surratt, the team's best WR is a portion of that, and if quarterback Jamie Newman doesn't play, it could swing even more in their favor.  I don't expect the Deacons to sustain drives, but the Michigan State defense, particularly late in the year, was way too susceptible to big plays.  Michigan State ranked top 25 nationally in number of plays allowed over 10, 20 and 30 yards...then fell all the way to #65 in plays of over 40 yards.  The Deacons also rank #12 nationally in turnovers created, whereas Michigan State is 0-6 when losing the turnover battle.  Hmmmm, an offense that hits big plays, and dominates turnovers.  If only we had seen the Spartans in a game like that recently...
WAKE FOREST 28, MICHIGAN STATE 27

Title: Re: Pinstripe Bowl: Michigan State 27, Wake Forest 21 (Postgame)
Post by: ELA on December 27, 2019, 06:58:32 PM
When Wake Forest had the ball last, that seemed like a win-win to me.  Either we win, or I hit the score dead on.

At least we won.  Both teams played that game to win, which was both refreshing, but slightly disappointing not to say Day or Thorne get some reps going into 2020.
Title: Re: Pinstripe Bowl: Michigan State 27, Wake Forest 21 (Postgame)
Post by: 847badgerfan on December 28, 2019, 07:57:45 AM
Seemed to me that MSU did everything possible to lose, while playing to win at the same time. That was tough to watch.
Title: Re: Pinstripe Bowl: Michigan State 27, Wake Forest 21 (Postgame)
Post by: Cincydawg on December 28, 2019, 08:00:03 AM
Kind of a grinder of a game, to me, not that exciting considering it was competitive.  WF had a decent team, that's a nice win for MSU to retain a winning season.

The ACC doesn't look quite as dominant now as they did.
Title: Re: Pinstripe Bowl: Michigan State 27, Wake Forest 21 (Postgame)
Post by: MrNubbz on December 28, 2019, 08:37:12 AM
Congrats Sparty,I caught the 1st half it was entertaining enough,tuned late and was pleasantly surprised.Does anyone know what the over/under was?They had 41pts in the 1st half and 7pts in the 2nd.Had to be maddening if the total was say 50
Title: Re: Pinstripe Bowl: Michigan State 27, Wake Forest 21 (Postgame)
Post by: ELA on December 28, 2019, 10:12:40 AM
Congrats Sparty,I caught the 1st half it was entertaining enough,tuned late and was pleasantly surprised.Does anyone know what the over/under was?They had 41pts in the 1st half and 7pts in the 2nd.Had to be maddening if the total was say 50
I don't know what it was, but I know MSU taking knees from the 2 to end the game, rather than trying to score, kept the over from hitting.  Looked like easy money at the half.
Title: Re: Pinstripe Bowl: Michigan State 27, Wake Forest 21 (Postgame)
Post by: MrNubbz on December 28, 2019, 11:19:22 AM
Ha! Thanx ELA,that scenario played out on a game I was wagering on 10 yrs ago.Needed 7 pts in the second half to push and 8 to win.They got 6 - absolutely maddening,one of the reasons I quit
Title: Re: Pinstripe Bowl: Michigan State 27, Wake Forest 21 (Postgame)
Post by: FearlessF on December 28, 2019, 04:28:28 PM
Corngrats!