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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Cincydawg on November 27, 2019, 11:53:47 AM
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I think the floor has to be 6-6 and a bowl game. Maybe for Rutgers et al. 4-8 would be a good year?
Then I think 9-4 is credible for many programs, you could claim it as a year your team finished ranked. (This is fire the coach time in Columbus etc.)
A ten win season is a pretty good year, you might be 10-4 with a division championship. (You'd be close to top ten.)
An 11 win season is nearly always going to be top ten ranking for a P5 team.
A 12 win season means you won your conference and/or competed for it and lost a CG but made an NY6.
A 13-14 win season means you made the playoff and probably finished top 6 or so. If this is your floor for "a good year", your program is really elite.
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9-4 is satisfactory
10 wins is pretty good
11 wins is very good
12 wins is great
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10 wins is a good year.
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For a team like Purdue, you want to be bowl eligible or better every year.
9-10 wins would be an outstanding season.
In most cases, given 9 conference games and at least 1-2 P5 OOC, 7-5 or 8-4 is still a pretty respectable season.
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It depends. If MSU could defend 4th and 13, they'd have beaten ASU and Illinois, and be playing for 8-4. But what's their best win? Indiana? And in those 4 losses, even though all were to top 15 teams (OSU, UW, PSU, UM) they weren't competative in any of them.
So generally I'd say 8/9 wins going into the bowl is good, but it depends on (a) the schedule and (b) how they looked in the games against the best teams
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Depends on the team. Sliding scale.
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Going to a bowl, any bowl.
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For OSU beating Michigan is enough for about 25% of the fan base. Winning the Big Ten would satisfy another 25% of the fan base. Qualifying for the CFB Playoffs would degrouchify a third quarter of the fan base. It would take a NC to keep the final 25% from finding a bunch of stuff to complain about.
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Depends on the team. Sliding scale.
Right. So for your team....
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Being in the hunt in November...in the hunt for the SEC East, the SEC, and the NC. Mattering, being on the national radar, etc - that's 'being in the hunt'.
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Right. So for your team....
See the post just above yours (the one that I am quoting in this post).
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Beating Minnesota and winning the bowl game. I'd settle for beating Minnesota and being competitive against a high-quality opponent in a bowl game.
Otherwise, not a good year. Losing to Minnesota would make for an ok year, with the highlight of the season coming in week 4.
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This obviously hinges heavily on expectations. I thought preseason this would be "UGA's year" to make a "deep run". Ten or even 11 wins would be a bust.
Minnesota is assured of having had a great year. If Kansas State gets 9 wins, it's a great year. Wisconsin is having a quirky year thus far, that could end up being very good to great. Michigan is trying to finish strong, which would salvage what had looked like a disappointing year into a something. Tennessee has done the same (probably), add VaTech and USC to that list. Ohio State and LSU and Clemson can't all win it, so two fan bases will be somewhat disappointed, perhaps all three. I know for Bama fans this year is disastrous (for many), really a terrible terrible year without recent parallel. Ha.
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This obviously hinges heavily on expectations. I thought preseason this would be "UGA's year" to make a "deep run". Ten or even 11 wins would be a bust.
Minnesota is assured of having had a great year. If Kansas State gets 9 wins, it's a great year. Wisconsin is having a quirky year thus far, that could end up being very good to great. Michigan is trying to finish strong, which would salvage what had looked like a disappointing year into a something. Tennessee has done the same (probably), add VaTech and USC to that list. Ohio State and LSU and Clemson can't all win it, so two fan bases will be somewhat disappointed, perhaps all three. I know for Bama fans this year is disastrous (for many), really a terrible terrible year without recent parallel. Ha.
Hey, Bama's not out of it yet! They could back-door into the CFP (without winning their division) and win it all. It's happened before!
For OU, right now, the floor for a "good year" might be winning a NY6 bowl game.
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Yeah, in the abstract, Wisconsin has "great" years when it wins conference championships. 2017 was a great year, despite losing the conference championship; winning the Orange Bowl after a narrow loss to Ohio State in the CCG redeemed it.
A good year for Wisconsin is ten wins and a quality bowl game. Less than that--currently--is not a good year. Pinch me. I had friends in college who left games whichever came later: Wisconsin was down 21, or the halftime show.
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I'm the %25 that wants a TTUN victory for a good year. (I'll add here no embarrassing losses; I get upsets happen, but with the talent the Buckeyes have, I think they need to be in the game in 4th quarter.)
To compete for Big Ten Title is a great year.
If Buckeyes get invited to the beauty pageant, so be it. But I don't get to upset at Bowl games losses, too much of a crap shoot on what team they face, what coaches can scheme up, what players participate, and motivation level they are competing against.
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I enjoy seeing programs like Minny and Baylor and Utah have good years. I think it adds a lot to the sport. If only the Blue Bloods had great years and everyone else fought over crumbs it would be boring. I think that means that some BBs have to have down periods to allow for that. If the "real" BBs, I'd say USC, Texas, and Nebraska are struggling. ND and Michigan are having solid years but not "meeting expectations". Then you have Bama and OU and OSU.
I am not sure what to think when Boise State wins 12 games because of their slate.
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. . . For OU, right now, the floor for a "good year" might be winning a NY6 bowl game.
I forgot to include that said "good year" would include beating Texas and Oklahoma State.
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Yeah, in the abstract, Wisconsin has "great" years when it wins conference championships. 2017 was a great year, despite losing the conference championship; winning the Orange Bowl after a narrow loss to Ohio State in the CCG redeemed it.
A good year for Wisconsin is ten wins and a quality bowl game. Less than that--currently--is not a good year. Pinch me. I had friends in college who left games whichever came later: Wisconsin was down 21, or the halftime show.
I always stayed for the 5th quarter, which in my early days as a fan, was the highlight of the day (inside the stadium, that is). Then Barry came along.
PC has won >50 games in his 5 years. So yeah, 10 wins is the thing now, with a bowl win against a good team.
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I know we are spoiled but at least for this Ohio State fan the floor on a "good year" is a conference title. Anything short of that is woulda-coulda-shoulda territory.
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I think the floor has to be 6-6 and a bowl game. Maybe for Rutgers et al. 4-8 would be a good year?
I don't think anybody considers 4-8 to be a good year, even Rutgers.
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Arkansas would love being 4-8 right now. They should play Rutger.
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are you proposing this matchup for a postseason game?
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__________ would be really good as a Patriot League school.
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erase the "really"
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Done. Just have them go away.
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If your team is the Hawkeyes, every year the expectation is different.
Iowa lost 4 outstanding juniors to the NFL draft last February. So this season looked hopeless to me in the spring, and I projected a 5-7 season for Iowa with a good year being 6-6.
In August the NCAA declared Oliver Martin, a WR transfer from Michigan who Harbaugh indicated was expected to start there, eligible to play at Iowa. So Iowa, usually is short in the receiving corps, appeared to have gained big time. Martin was a 4* recruit for Michigan, from Iowa City, which makes little sense. Immediately before the season started, when Oliver became eligible, I was thinking, 7-5 would be good, as I thought the Hawkeyes would lose to Iowa State. Oliver Martin is now stuck in 3rd string, and hasn't caught a pass, as far as I recall, since the Rutgers game which was Game 4, I think.
Well, 9-3 this week is now the expectation, but 8-4 wouldn't be so bad.
If none of the early out players went to the NFL, I would have been disappointed if Iowa had not been in the Big Ten Championship game.
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I wonder how many would watch Arkansas play Rutger in a "bowl game".
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I'll disagree with my fellow Badgers and say nine wins.
Nine wins means you're most likely a good team. It's a strong season most any of the time. It's winning just shy of 70 percent of your games. To me, eight wins is satisfactory, nine is good, 10 or more is quite good. Perhaps we're splitting hairs on the meaning of good.
I've been lucky enough to see 12 9-win years in the 15 seasons since I reached campus. Some I reacted to better than others. Some meant getting to 9 in 9-10 games, others in 13. All had moments of highs that satisfied and lows that created angst.
I get that some will say the common occurrence makes it less special, but I always try to take the long view. This is Wisconsin, a school in a small, bad-weather state that doesn't produce a ton of talent. But why right does that program expect 9 wins a year, but for the fact it keeps putting in the work and doing the right things to make it happen?
Beyond that, I consume college football because it brings me joy along with all the angst, in-game stress and yelling. If I raise my standard for joy, it doesn't push the program to greater heights. It only affects how I feel about it. And again, I'm here to enjoy.
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Nicely put, I have pondered whether it would be more fun to be a fan of a team with modest expectations. I went to an Ole Miss game a few years back and they explained to me how they had fun win or lose (and they indeed did), and a Bama fan was at that particular tailgate and she explained that Bama fans almost never have fun because they are so stressed about not only winning, but winning BIG.
If I could choose, I'd have been a Kansas State fan back in the Snyder days. A bowl game was a good year.
Also, as some have noted, for me a good year is beating Florida/Auburn and Tennessee with 8-9 wins versus winning 10 and losing to two of them. Of course, these days Dawg fans are almost like Bama fans. I'm not sure they are having more fun, probably less.
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My K-State fan friends seemed to very much enjoy the Snyder days
For Huskers fans, the 70's, 80's, & 90's were full of all the angst, in-game stress and yelling, yearning for that mythical title that came with a crystal football
while it was obviously stressful and most seasons ended in disappointment, it was much more fun than struggling to get to a bowl invitation
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I am the 25% of Buckeye fans who just need a win against Michigan. It use to be beat Michigan and make it to the Rose Bowl. But with the CFB playoff, I know there are just too many random things that effect getting in.
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Nicely put, I have pondered whether it would be more fun to be a fan of a team with modest expectations. I went to an Ole Miss game a few years back and they explained to me how they had fun win or lose (and they indeed did), and a Bama fan was at that particular tailgate and she explained that Bama fans almost never have fun because they are so stressed about not only winning, but winning BIG.
If I could choose, I'd have been a Kansas State fan back in the Snyder days. A bowl game was a good year.
I find there's some of this dichotomy between being a fan of Purdue football and Purdue basketball.
In football, we know we're a low-end P5 team. We know our recruiting is, at best, mid-tier B1G on a good year. We celebrated our 2019 class, ranked 25th in the nation and 4th in the B1G, like it was the best class Purdue had ever signed, because it is pretty close to being that. A mid-tier bowl game is a good year, and all rational fans recognize that. Going to a Rose Bowl is a generational treat.
In basketball, the stakes and the expectations are SO much higher. We expect to be competitive in recruiting battles with every team not named Kentucky, Duke, or UNC. That means we don't think we should be losing recruits to MSU or IU, either. We expect to be in the B1G championship race yearly. We expect to be like the Bo Ryan Wisconsin years, where finishing outside the top 4 in the conference is cause for concern. We expect that making the tournament is a minimally acceptable year, but a "good" year is a top 4 seed in the tournament and a Sweet 16 or better.
Fans are thankful for the AD opening up the pocketbook for Brohm, and would be willing to build statues for coaches like Joe Tiller. Some fans, at least up until last year, were ambivalent about whether Painter should be retained because they claimed his "ceiling" was the Sweet 16 and were generally termed the "demand better" crowd because they thought Painter would never reach the "next level".
I'd say being a Georgia fan is similar, except that I honestly think most SEC programs don't give a damn about their basketball teams. For the SEC, it's all football all the time unless you're Kentucky [and maybe Florida?]. I think most SEC basketball fans, if your team is making the tournament at a regular clip, are plenty happy with basketball.
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Football is king at UGA, but gymnastics and tennis are big as well. Gymnastics draws more tha men's basketball usually. But for most students, it's one sport and perhaps the ball team makes the NIT.
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Bowl is the minimum expectation. I think most years for me finishing ranked constitutes a good year for WVU.
Last year may have been the rare exception to that.