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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: MaximumSam on November 23, 2019, 07:11:30 AM
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This noon kickoff has me a bit turned around. The wife is taking the dogs to the vet, so I can't get my normal routine in. I haven't been to the store. I have no food. Luckily, there is beer in the fridge so I may survive.
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Fox is no good.
The old lady who lives in the 'Shoe drives
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The visitors drive
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Which is a hand-me-down from
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I think of them as more of a lambo
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Sam you know we don't start tossing back suds until 10:00 am - have some dignity,sheesh
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Looks like I'm going with the Japanese steakhouse thing tonight. I don't have a hibachi grill, but I'll make due. Filet mignon, scallops and shrimp. I'll make a ginger sauce and a mustard sauce for dipping. I'll do the veggies, minus the onion volcano presentation. I'll do fried rice to go with.
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Having beets,yams and Salmon later....and some Czech Pilsner.Oatmeal-Raisin cookies and cold pizza gonna tide me over until then
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Sam you know we don't start tossing back suds until 10:00 am - have some dignity,sheesh
don't be tardy
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May be putting in a HW tank with a buddy if his son doesn't show up so those beers may get a stay of execution.
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no good plans for food today - I'll come up with something
the butcher in Des Moines was out running errands when I arrived Thursday afternoon, so I didn't get my dry aged bone-in steaks - bummer
I'll be at Miles Inn before 10:30 this morning. Might spoil myself with a Charlie Boy sammich.
Plan to be in my recliner for the Husker kickoff - we''ll see what happens
Hawk fans won't appreciate me at the bar. Well, they never seem to appreciate guys dressed in BIG RED! I'll be pulling for Lovie's crew, not because I hate the Hawks, because I have $$$ on Lovie covering the 14.5
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May be putting in a HW tank with a buddy if his son doesn't show up so those beers may get a stay of execution.
this is not rocket science
a good beer buzz will only enhance the chore
I've installed 2 of them since I moved in here in 89
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Ha, I see they finally put up our outside perimeter fence up on the south edge of our lot on the path yesterday. Looks good. These short days, come home and its dark. Now this house is 'done'.
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corngrats!
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gotta make one more trip to the store to knock out remaining items for Thanksgiving. Like hell if I'm going later in the week.
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Some pregame squabbles out there
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Flipping back and forth on these pregame shows is a little surreal
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Fox hammering the SEC for FCS Saturday and I love it
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Hamler is out there but still no word on his status
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Interesting how both sets are inside stadium. Is there any known reason for that?
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It's zip up hoodie weather at worst, and Franklin is decked out like the game is being played on the North Pole.
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Hamler is out there but still no word on his status
Looks good so far lol.
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Not sure about punting there
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For the Penn State game, our first beer was open at 0700.
Slant pass the only thing working for the Gophers early on...
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In Phoenix today. Attending Oregon @ Arizona State this evening.
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Bateman!
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Bucks drive for touchdown without completing a pass
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Dobbins with 8 carries on the opening drive?
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Chase with a series right there
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Today's my dad's bday and he's making pulled pork sliders. He had the butt on pecan wood smoke overnight, it's resting now. I'll make some cole slaw and roadhouse-style spuds, and my bro's making charro beans. We'll watch the Texas game at 2:30, for better or worse.
Happy Saturday!
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That's a fumble
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Bateman again!
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Ok, we're on to Wisconsin. This NU club is terrible. Get out healthy.
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WE ARE playing to not get blown out. I still will not understand the first drive punt on 4th and 4.. and the run there. Our D is not good enough to win this game. They're good enough to maybe keep us in if they make a stop on 3rd downs but we need to score
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Iowa 13-7 at the half. 2 missed FG's and an INT in the red zone is basically the instruction manual for How to Lose to Illinois.
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Harvard handling Yale in 1st half. Man does that Yale Bowl suck as a facility.
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Thought Minny might struggle a bit.
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For the Penn State game, our first beer was open at 0700.
I'm showing this post to Cindy - see it's normal Honey
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Not terribly surprised with the halftime stats in the tOSU/PSU game but that goal line fumble was huge. If not for that this game would be 21-0 and, for all intents and purposes, over.
First few possessions of the third quarter will tell us whether or not PSU can make a game out of this.
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I'm calling it now. It's over for PSU. OSU is a machine.
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Good looking drive to open the second half
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Nice run by the new QB
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Couple of nail-biters being played in Alabama right now.
38-0 Auburn against Samford
52-0 Bama against Western Carolina
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Maybe I spoke too soon. PSU looking solid on this drive for the TD.
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Nice run Buckeyes got to rap up
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Not a tackling clinic by the Bucks on that drive
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Welp
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Buckeyses self destructing
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My how the tide turns.
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I tuned in at the right time - PSU down 21 with the backup QB in....BOOM! 21-14
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Oh those poor Yale students, sit in protest on field delaying game.
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Defense needs to step right up now
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this 2nd half of the PSU-OSU game has been unreal. Wow.
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There ya go
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Turnovers are how upsets happen.
Ohio State is still completely dominating statistically but this is about to be tied up.
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how do you not double Chase Young on that play? Seriously. That was a pathetic attempt by the RT to even block him, never laid a finger on him. And the RB didn't even try to chip him.
How do you not put a TE next to the RT that play and double team him on an obvious passing down. I'm sorry that is just bad coaching by Franklin. 3rd and long obvious passing downs- I'm double-teaming Chase Young every damn time.
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I don't like complaining about announcers, but Klatt is the worst. He's like Craig James junior. Nothing but "Capt Obvious" statements and blowjobbing the player/team/conference.
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how do you not double Chase Young on that play? Seriously. That was a pathetic attempt by the RT to even block him, never laid a finger on him. And the RB didn't even try to chip him.
How do you not put a TE next to the RT that play and double team him on an obvious passing down. I'm sorry that is just bad coaching by Franklin. 3rd and long obvious passing downs- I'm double-teaming Chase Young every damn time.
Their TE is a main passing threat, so that means you're advocating for a 2-TE set on 3rd and long. I agree with the sentiment, but I'm not sure I'd want to limit my play-calling to that sort of formation at the same time. Tough call either way.
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Ok, feeling a little better now.
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I don't like complaining about announcers, but Klatt is the worst. He's like Craig James junior. Nothing but "Capt Obvious" statements and blowjobbing the player/team/conference.
Yeah, yet another reason to hate the Fox arrangement. This game should be played at night, Delany be damned.
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The Hat has his Jaybirds up on the Clones at the end of 3. Hmm.
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Yeah, yet another reason to hate the Fox arrangement. This game should be played at night, Delany be damned.
No, big early games are fine.
But announcers are like offensive linemen, you only notice them if they're really bad. An announcer's goal should be mundane anonymity.
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All I know is Chase Young is a game wrecker. He's one of the few defensive linemen that can single-handedly wreck an offense if you let him. I'm doubling Young every obvious passing down and I'll take my chances with the other 10 guys on that defense. I'm not letting Chase Young beat me. And if you single him- he will beat you. One guy can't stop him. Period.
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You kinda had to wonder if the backup quarterback wouldn't eventually make a mistake like that.
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You kinda had to wonder if the backup quarterback wouldn't eventually make a mistake like that.
Yeah, borrowed time.
I was considering it a different way - the backup coming in and running the ball between the tackles over and over - at some point, he's going to get lit up and hurt.
Same idea, though.
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Klatt: "The snap is the snap"........ffs
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Whew!
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Klatt is usually easy to tune out. Not today.
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Jesus fn christ
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CATASTROPHE!
Did he say that when Penn St's QB got hurt?
Okay, I'll stop now.
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Now let's see what these Hoosiers are bringing to the table.
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I'm really glad the UW game, while on Fox next, does not have Klatt.
Wait. They wouldn't Concorde him to Madison for the game, would they?
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I swear if you Buckeyes lose to the Wolverines and make the Minnesota loss even more hurtful I will be so pissed.
Good game.
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W I N D I A N A
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Trap game for the Wolverines?
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One could see getting trapped in Bloomington. With the I69 project and state hwy 37 is a speed trap.
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been one game as the starter and it’s just easy to see that Dax Hill is the best safety that’s ever played at Michigan.
They haven’t had a safety this complete in oh....ever?
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Creepy:
I'm creating 1987 FSU and writing down their ball-carrier's names. The intro for the Wisconsin game is on in the other room, and it's talking about Jonathan Taylor, etc. Ho-hum.
The moment the voice says "second" as in UW's 2nd-leading all-time rusher, I'm writing down "Dayne" as in Dayne Williams of '87 FSU.
Now if that impossibly-random coincidence favored me in any way, I'd label it a miracle. Well not me, but someone in my place would. No, it's just a infinitesimally-tiny thing that happens sometimes. :)
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One could see getting trapped in Bloomington. With the I69 project and state hwy 37 is a speed trap.
My friend was once trapped in Bloomington. He blamed a petite blonde....
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Ohio State clinched a spot in the B1GCG and continued their streak of winning the B1G-E every year that there has been a B1G-E to win.
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The Hoosiers can't keep it up for four quarters... can they?
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My friend was once trapped in Michigan. He blamed a petite blonde....
Oh those can be trouble.
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The Hoosiers can't keep it up for four quarters... can they?
It’s a Jim Harbaugh coached team. Of course they can.
Harbaugh’s Michigan teams are CONSISTENTLY some of the most inconsistent teams in CFB. I’m getting really sick and tired of this shit.
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W I N D I A N A
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Refs just fell all the way asleep there
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even if that doesn’t stand - holy shit Giles Jackson is explosive.
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Shea sucks. Can’t miss that throw. Nico wide open for the TD.
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DPJ wide open in the end zone and Shea misses that too. Can’t wait for this scrub to graduate.
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It's a track meet in Bloomington
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Maryland w zero breaks in this one so far.
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Where do I sign up for the old Purdue that allowed 700 rushing yards a game to UW?
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4th and 2. Go for it Jim. Stop being a puss.
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Still impressed with Minny for no hangover. Nice job Gophers.
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If the Badgers play like this next week, the Goophs will stomp a mudhole in them.
62 yard field to end the half by UW's kickoff artist. They should just let him kick all the field goal attempts from now on, and quit being cute.
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Where do I sign up for the old Purdue that allowed 700 rushing yards a game to UW?
It would be good if the coaches would keep their best player on the field, all game. Groshek's a nice guy and all that, but really?
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What's going on over in Madison?
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IT'S TTUN WEEK!
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What's going on over in Madison?
Playing out just as I thought it would.
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Well, you're kinda known for sandbagging... :57:
Take it to the stream.
And, oh, ya think? Saw this coming a mile away. UW's corners suck, and the backup LT is getting torched.
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Nebraska is putting a pretty good licking on the Terps.
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Butterfingers Bell drops another one that hits him right in the fingertips. Getting sick of that shit.
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Wtf is with this Wildcat bullshit? Um, that shit is from like 2007-2009 with the Miami Dolphins. Harbaugh is a certified tard.
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How's JH looking now :dink: Collins is money
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That TD drop in Happy Valley at the end of the 4th QTR from Butterfingers Bell looms large.
That drop killed their chances to force OT and pull off the comeback.
Could’ve had a potential 10-1 Michigan team that had gone on a tear beating everyone down since that PSU game going up against 11-0 Ohio State team in an epic game where winner takes all in Ann Arbor next week. The hype would’ve been insane.
Butterfingers Bell smooth athlete with nice burst. Runs nice routes. Hands of shit though.
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Watching Purdue v Wisconson.
Can someone explain how that was not targeting? Defenseless player gets his world rock helmet to helmet as he is catching the ball.
Wisconsin player hops up and flexes. The flex is a 15 yard penalty against the Buckeyes, but nothing here????
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Watching Purdue v Wisconson.
Can someone explain how that was not targeting? Defenseless player gets his world rock helmet to helmet as he is catching the ball.
Wisconsin player hops up and flexes. The flex is a 15 yard penalty against the Buckeyes, but nothing here????
Another Helmet to helmet, looks like the 2nd one is gonna get called.
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Great. Looks like Uche is hurt. I pray to god it isn’t serious. Knock on wood.
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Did Taylor lose the 3rd fumble?
The UW staff better work the wet football drill with him this week.
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Up 47-0, it's 4th and 5 within the 20....
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I didn't think that Nebraska was capable of beating anyone by 50.
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Can we please see less of Ronnie Bell and more of Mike Sainistril and Giles Jackson? That’s all. Thanks.
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3 things:
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1 - MSU is reeeally bad, only beating RU by 27.
2 - How is Maryland this bad? I'm not being mean, they should/could be way better, right?
3 - It sounds like UM should move Bell to CB, no? Instead of dropping passes and everyone bitching (understandably), just have him blanket WRs.
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3 things:
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1 - MSU is reeeally bad, only beating RU by 27. MSU's power ranking on this forum is #9 out of 14. MSU is not the best. I would characterized them as below average.
2 - How is Maryland this bad? I'm not being mean, they should/could be way better, right? They started out like gangbusters, but don't end that way.
3 - It sounds like UM should move Bell to CB, no? Instead of dropping passes and everyone bitching (understandably), just have him blanket WRs. He had 1 reception for 6 yards; 1 more reception than I had in Division I.
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Did Taylor lose the 3rd fumble?
The UW staff better work the wet football drill with him this week.
Congrats on keeping THE AXE.
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Congrats on keeping THE AXE.
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Congrats on keeping THE AXE.
That's pretty pessimistic. I think Wisconsin is the better team, but game in Madison and Fleck has them rowing, I think it's gonna be a great game.
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That's pretty pessimistic. I think Wisconsin is the better team, but game in Madison and Fleck has them rowing, I think it's gonna be a great game.
The game is in Minneapolis, and Game Day is coming.
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Interesting color schemes at work - Mizzou with yellow helmets and UTK's shiny, orange britches.
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TCU putting up a fight....maybe because they're fiesty, maybe because of OU's defense.
Kudos to Baylor's defense today!
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Oregon in a world of hurt
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Quack quack
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Canes get a taste of own medicine. Lose and lose while FIU racks up 145 yards in penalties.
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Colorado with some alt helmet logo.
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It would be good if the coaches would keep their best player on the field, all game. Groshek's a nice guy and all that, but really?
This dynamic I don’t know what to do with.
At days end, the better back had 28 carries, which is good to play Purdue. I don’t need 35 there (also fumbles). Groshek is pretty good. Not great. Not starter. But pretty good backup outside the Wisconsin having 2-3 starters class. He only had nine carries, he got 6.1, I’ll take it.
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Big spot here in Norman
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TCU putting up a fight....maybe because they're fiesty, maybe because of OU's defense.
Kudos to Baylor's defense today!
Mostly because of turnovers. TCU had 4.5 YPP, so the OU defense played, dare I say, well.
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Man, I think Oklahoma just got a really favorable spot to seal the game.
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Refs were awol last few minutes of OU game
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How did OU not get flagged for two different fouls on post Int celebration and guys all over field w/o helmets.
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TCU putting up a fight....maybe because they're fiesty, maybe because of OU's defense.
Kudos to Baylor's defense today!
You must not have watched the game.
TCU only had 196 yards of total offense. OU had 504. But OU had 3 turnovers, one of them being a pick-six, another being a fumble at the (IIRC) TCU 7-yard line. TCU had 1--a pick with less than 2 minutes left.
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How did OU not get flagged for two different fouls on post Int celebration and guys all over field w/o helmets.
I wondered the same thing.
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You could make a helluva Heisman finalist-invited-to-NY list without any QBs this year:
WR Ceedee Lamb, OU
DE Chase Young, Ohio St
RB Jonathan Taylor, Wisconsin
DT Derrick Brown, Auburn
This made me think about a question: what year in the future will be the first zero-QB Heisman finalists year? 2037? Never? There may have been some in the past, but I'm talking about going forward.
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You must not have watched the game.
TCU only had 196 yards of total offense. OU had 504. But OU had 3 turnovers, one of them being a pick-six, another being a fumble at the (IIRC) TCU 7-yard line. TCU had 1--a pick with less than 2 minutes left.
Yeah, was just commenting on the bit I saw at the time, not the whole game.
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2 - How is Maryland this bad? I'm not being mean, they should/could be way better, right?
I could go on and on, but really, until we lose the ghost of McNair, we'll be bad.
The OL is not as good as I hoped. Cincy actually was right about this preseason. We lost 2 guys to the NFL and another 1 or 2 to graduation.
Seeing freshmen on the OL gave me hope they were good enough, but they aren't ready. Our best OLman is injured.
No WR's with any shake. Poor route runners. Can't get open. QB holds the ball too long. Gets killed.
I wasn't going to jump on the bandwagon unless the beat Temple, and they didn't, so I was at least hoping to get a bowl.
Plus, not sure how good Locks can be. His record is putrid, but he's been around a while, picked up some more pieces, but his staff is not what he wanted.
I'm not going to be optimistic for at least 2-3 more years.
These kids are soft.
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Soft, Mike leach will show you soft. Geez another huge 4th quarter stinkbomb.
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Yes Pirate pulls it out.
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Soft, Mike leach will show you soft. Geez another huge 4th quarter stinkbomb.
Like what OSU West is doing. And good for WSU for clawing out a bowl spot. Had to be an emotional night up in Pullman.
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You could make a helluva Heisman finalist-invited-to-NY list without any QBs this year:
WR Ceedee Lamb, OU
DE Chase Young, Ohio St
RB Jonathan Taylor, Wisconsin
DT Derrick Brown, Auburn
This made me think about a question: what year in the future will be the first zero-QB Heisman finalists year? 2037? Never? There may have been some in the past, but I'm talking about going forward.
A. Never
B. I am unconvinced Taylor deserves it. The hype is helping him.
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Interesting Saturday, as always, the Oregon upset being seminal of course. I'd move Ohio State ahead of LSU if it matters.
LSU needs to find some defense if they expect to win the NC I think. UGA needs to find some offense from somewhere. I don't think they will.
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How did OU not get flagged for two different fouls on post Int celebration and guys all over field w/o helmets.
More & More we're seeing this crap after every single play start tossing guys if they don't want to abide - it's assinine.There has been guys getting injured after TD celebrations the bar keeps getting lowered and the Conferences have to start calling it
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Interesting Saturday, as always, the Oregon upset being seminal of course. I'd move Ohio State ahead of LSU if it matters.
tOSU left 7 pts at the goal line and 2 fumbles 45 seconds apart lead to 10 PSU pts.Gotta fix those lead to opponents pts and took some off the board for yourself
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B. I am unconvinced Taylor deserves it. The hype is helping him.
I dunno Taylors numbers don't lie,they have to quit handing it to QB's every year.Conferences can give their MVP's to them.Chase sans the infractions would have been a good pick.Depends on Lamb's numbers and not familiar with Brown.No denying JB is having a season though
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The game is in Minneapolis, and Game Day is coming.
I saw that. Gameday comes to MPLS, but only when Wisconsin comes too. That's how I'm looking at it. :)
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The mediots claim it's Burrow's all the way.
In "other news", Tennessee is bowl eligible after that horrendous 0-2 start. They finish with Vandy and should be 7-5. Imagine how easily they could be 9-3. But they aren't.
Wisconsin @ Minnesota is fascinating. I am leaning to the Badgers, which in the past has often assured a Gopher win (except at Iowa).
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I saw that. Gameday comes to MPLS, but only when Wisconsin comes too. That's how I'm looking at it. :)
Well, they wouldn't be going there for the lutefisk.
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Soft, Mike leach will show you soft. Geez another huge 4th quarter stinkbomb.
that's Mike Reilly
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Which B1G teams make the more important bowls? There are a fair number of pretty solid teams this year.
Rose Bowl - Indy loser? Or Michigan if they beat OSU? Is this locked to the CG loser if the winner goes to the playoff?
Cap One - Huh, not very clear.
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3 - It sounds like UM should move Bell to CB, no? Instead of dropping passes and everyone bitching (understandably), just have him blanket WRs.
Don't know what I'd do with him, but I wouldn't have him at WR. His hands suck. Nice burst, smooth athlete with pretty good size though. CB just might work if he can learn the coverages and is a willing tackler. Whatever it is- WR sure as hell ain't it- his hands are terrible.
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Which B1G teams make the more important bowls? There are a fair number of pretty solid teams this year.
Rose Bowl - Indy loser? Or Michigan if they beat OSU? Is this locked to the CG loser if the winner goes to the playoff?
Cap One - Huh, not very clear.
OSU will beat Michigan this week. Michigan will play in one of the Florida NYD bowls.
I think UW loses to Minnie, which puts them in one of the NYD games in Florida. Minnie will likely go to the Rose Bowl if they either a) beat OSU or b) don't get throttled. If OSU crushes them, PSU would likely get the call, and Minnie would get a different NYD6 bowl game.
So, OSU in the playoff
Minnie and PSU in NYD6 bowl games
UW and Michigan in Florida NYD bowl games
Iowa in the next best bowl game (Holiday), followed by Indiana, in the Music City, MSU, in the Pinstripe, and Illinois in the Redbox.
Nebraska might be able to snag a bowl, at 5-7. Maybe Purdue too, but that means they'd need to beat Indiana. I doubt they will.
I do not see the Big Ten filling all of its tie-ins this season.
Big Ten Bowl Ties, Affiliations
A Big Ten team will be in the Rose Bowl – it’ll be the champion if not in the College Football Playoff.
College Football Playoff Semifinal: If Selected
1. Rose Bowl vs. Pac-12
2. Citrus Bowl vs. ACC or SEC
– Agreement for Citrus is for five different teams in six years, so no Penn State, Minnesota or Michigan, if possible.
3. Outback Bowl vs. SEC
– Agreement is for five different teams in six years, so no Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan or Northwestern, if possible.
4. San Diego Country Credit Union Holiday Bowl vs. Pac-12
– Agreement is for five different teams in six years, so no Michigan State, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern or Wisconsin, if possible.
5. TaxSlayer Bowl vs. SEC OR
Franklin American Mortgage Music City Bowl vs. SEC
– ACC and Big Ten combine in the Music City and TaxSlayer, with each getting three appearances in six years. The Big Ten played in TaxSlayer in 2015 and the Music City in 2016, 2017 & 2018. It’s almost certainly going to be in the TaxSlayer, but no Iowa or Penn State, if possible.
New Era Pinstripe Bowl vs. ACC
– It’s not official, but the bowl would prefer to have eight different teams in eight years, so no Indiana, Iowa, Northwestern, Penn State or Wisconsin, if possible.
Redbox Bowl vs. Pac-12
– Agreement is for five different teams in six years, so no Indiana, Maryland, Michigan State, Nebraska or Purdue, if possible.
Quick Lane Bowl vs. ACC
Lockheed Martin Armed Forces Bowl vs. Mountain West
– Agreement for three SERVPRO First Responders and three Armed Forces bowls in six years. The Big Ten hasn’t been in the Armed Force Bowl since 2014. The Big 12 is contracted to play in the SERVPRO First Responders in 2019.
https://collegefootballnews.com/2019/01/2019-2020-college-football-bowl-ties-affiliations-for-each-conference
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https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/1198689923831750656
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I'm dying for Butch Jones to get another impossible gig.
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I have no clue why Jones would be in line for any HC job in college. I'd find some OC or DC somewhere first.
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Well, they wouldn't be going there for the lutefisk.
Sayz You,Desmond has incredibly bad taste so he'll like it
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https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/1198689923831750656
If Schiano turned downed 32$ million he deserves all the bullshit he gets.That's just hard to believe - just because he's wanted there
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I don't feel the career-award push for Taylor and the Heisman I've felt in the past for several winners. I think that's a good thing, but it doesn't make it fun for him.
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Taylor may have to console himself with a lucrative NFL contract.
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a 250 yard game vs the Gophers might help
followed up with a 200 yard game to beat the Buckeyes......... hypesman
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I dunno Taylors numbers don't lie,they have to quit handing it to QB's every year.Conferences can give their MVP's to them.Chase sans the infractions would have been a good pick.Depends on Lamb's numbers and not familiar with Brown.No denying JB is having a season though
His issue is he's worse than last year and he's about 200 yards short of the nation's leading rusher, who is from a P5 conference. He's still been awesome, but not that next level.
I have mixed feelings about the QB dominance. On one hand, it's annoying, on another, they control the game more, are putting up more bonkers numbers in context and often add a running element (last year's winner was a 1,000-yard rusher).
I think the expansion needs to come from the non-traditional spots. Had I a ballot, I might go Young-Burrow-Maybe Hubbard, maybe Lamb, maybe Davonta Smith.
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a 250 yard game vs the Gophers might help
followed up with a 200 yard game to beat the Buckeyes......... hypesman
Accurate. He needs to add 26.7 percent of his current total against a 1-loss team and a team that held him to 2.6 YPC.
I want this a lot, but I do not see it coming to pass.
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yup, couple big TV games to showcase his ability
gotta raise to the occasion if you want the trophy
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Which counts more, Big TV Games or Big Sportscenter Highlights?
I suspect the latter, though having them against august opponents helps.
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usually the Hypesman winner has had at least one if not a few big time highlight plays
Black 41 Flash Reverse - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJtZYKIzzZE)
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Which counts more, Big TV Games or Big Sportscenter Highlights?
I suspect the latter, though having them against august opponents helps.
Need some big games against very good teams to counterbalance two not great games at the very least.
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JT hardly had a sniff the week that he put 250 yards on Iowa--the most against the Hawkeyes in a long, long time (and the only back to clear 100 against them this season), in a rivalry game with Big Ten chase implications, and with several highlight runs (but no long TDs). He also put 203 on Michigan. He's leading the nation in scoring and second in rushing yards (behind a player who has faced one top-30 rushing defense against which he ran for 116 yards; JT has faced five and is averaging over 137 yards against).
His flaw is merely living up to very high expectations for a running back for a team known for running in a season and time in which quarterbacks are putting up crazy numbers for highly rated teams.
Some notable comparisons:
Most rushing yards during a three season span:
1) JT
2) Donnel Pumphrey (SDSU)
3) Herschel Walker
4) Ricky Williams
5) Charles White
Most rushing yards in first three seasons:
1) JT (with 247 fewer carries than...)
2) Herschel Walker
3) Ron Dayne
4) LaMichael James
Career Big Ten Rushing Yards:
1) Ron Dayne
2) JT
3) Archie Griffin
4) Justin Jackson (NU)
5) Anthony Thompson
Most 200 Yard-rushing games
1) Ron Dayne (14)
2) JT (12)
2) Ricky Williams (12)
4) Marcus Allen (11)
Rushing Yards Per Game (min 2,500 career yards):
1) Ed Marinaro (Cornell)
2) OJ Simpson
3) Herschel Walker
4) Garrett Wolfe (NIU)
5) JT
JT is averaging 6.8 YPC for his career.
Heisman Trophy Winners YPC (Heisman season):
1) Mike Rozier (7.8)
2) (tied) Billy Sims & Barry Sanders (7.6)
4) Doc Blanchard (7.1)
5) Rashaan Salaam (6.9)
6) Archie Griffin (6.6)
7) Earl Campbell (6.5)--(JT, 2019, currently goes here)
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It is a bit like some Hawaii QB who puts up insane passing numbers that gets discounted because ... they pass every down.
A workmanlike very effective and efficient performance doesn't compare with gaudy highlights. It's just how it is.
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Workmanlike is a pretty harsh view of what Taylor has done--and continues to do. The guy has been a beast. And he will likely put up big numbers against Minnesota this week. If the Badgers win, that will raise the profile a bit. If they lose, it won't. But it doesn't matter; he's never seriously been in the conversation. His "best" moment was as an outside possibility after he had 203 yards as the Badgers whupped Michigan.
So he is considered "workmanlike" because he's the latest of the Badgers strongest set of backs for a program known for running the ball. White, Gordon, Ball, and now JT have been the most NFL ready backs the Badgers have had, maybe ever. Moss might have been there, but for the cocaine, Fletcher was a good NFL back, Dayne was never right for the League, then...Anthony Davis and Calhoun are the only others that come to mind (maybe I'm forgetting someone, though).
And among that group, only Gordon had multiple seasons like JT's (to be fair, he was playing in a more crowded backfield to start)--and he's the only one with a better YPC average than JT.
He has hardly been merely workmanlike, and Wisconsin is hardly a MWC school (Hawaii). BUT, this is a quarterback era. So an Oklahoma QB (also playing for a bigger name than Wisconsin) will be in the discussion doing what Oklahoma QBs do, but not a Wisconsin RB exceeding what Wisconsin RB's do.
Also, and maybe it's the chip on the Wisconsin shoulder, but I think if he's a Michigan back--or Ohio State or Alabama--he would be high on the list, even though those programs have also been known to run the ball.
And yes, he is likely to console himself with a decent NFL salary.
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RBs have it tough
lots of great Husker backs didn't get much notice
of the 3 Heisman winners at UNL, a wingback, Rozier, and a QB
Rozier had this remarkable run vs UCLA in a highly touted Sept Non-con game - some folks remembered it all season - not all games were televised back in 83
Mike Rozier Husker Heisman Winner - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDLdvzS_HTw)
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Yeah, part of Taylor's seemingly uphill climb is the idea that Wisconsin RBs are plug-n-play. It's not fair and shouldn't matter, but we can't unsee dozens and hours of images and highights and stats from the past 25 years of Badger RBs.
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Yeah, I agree Taylor would get more notice if he were playing at say Northwestern and doing the same things. By "workmanlike", I mean he is steady and not gaudy. He goes out and gets "it" done with relatively few highlights on SC. (I think, I rarely watch SC, I'm sure they feature his runs often enough, but as OAM suggests, he's at Wisconsin, it's expected).
Compare that with Joe Burrow who was added to an historically challenged offense at LSU and lit it up.
As much as anything, for me, this is why I don't particularly care about the award. I have no clue who the "most outstanding player" would be. It could be some defensive end somewhere.
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Taylor is the best RB to ever play in Madison. It's tough between him and Gordon, but I'm going with Taylor.
Sorry Ron.
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https://badgerswire.usatoday.com/2019/08/08/who-are-the-greatest-wisconsin-badgers-running-backs-of-all-time/ (https://badgerswire.usatoday.com/2019/08/08/who-are-the-greatest-wisconsin-badgers-running-backs-of-all-time/)
That's a pretty solid group.
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Yeah, I agree Taylor would get more notice if he were playing at say Northwestern and doing the same things. By "workmanlike", I mean he is steady and not gaudy. He goes out and gets "it" done with relatively few highlights on SC. (I think, I rarely watch SC, I'm sure they feature his runs often enough, but as OAM suggests, he's at Wisconsin, it's expected).
Compare that with Joe Burrow who was added to an historically challenged offense at LSU and lit it up.
As much as anything, for me, this is why I don't particularly care about the award. I have no clue who the "most outstanding player" would be. It could be some defensive end somewhere.
I mean, Taylor has highlights. Maybe a few less than his first year (I need some of the advanced run stats that are harder to find).
I love him as a back, and he's been really transcendent at points. He's just not quite at the level he was, and it's not like we haven't seen UW backs match or take one extra step forward as juniors. Wouldn't mind seeing him in NY, but I'd have young, Burrow, Hubbard and at least one WR ahead of him.
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Taylor is the best RB to ever play in Madison. It's tough between him and Gordon, but I'm going with Taylor.
Sorry Ron.
I'd agree with this, but say Gordon's Jr season was better than this one, though I might take last year's Taylor season, even though the team record was worse.
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Taylor is the best RB to ever play in Madison. It's tough between him and Gordon, but I'm going with Taylor.
Sorry Ron.
I'd agree.
Gordon isn't quite elite in the NFL but he's close to it. I feel like Taylor will be an elite RB in the NFL on the level of Zeke or Gurley (before injury) or Saquon.
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obviously, Taylor would be getting more hype if there wasn't a loss to Illinois
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It strikes me that we live in a time of "elite running backs". That may hurt the breed, in terms of recognition, especially if they might at times be perceived as "System Running Backs".
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Taylor is not a system running back. That label is more reserved for guys like PJ Hill.
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He is perceived as that, rightly or wrongly, a product of the Wisconsin scheme.
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No question he is the product of the Wisconsin scheme. He's just one of the very best products of that scheme, including, recently, Ball and Gordon, who each were legitimately among the top handful of CFB running backs. Once upon a time, USC was "tailback U."
Respectfully, if USC RBs could win the Heisman Trophy, why can't Badger RBs?
Part of it is the brand: USC is a bigger brand than Wisconsin. Part of it is the era; it's the QB era. Part of it is luck; only one player per year can win the Heisman. Marcus Mariota was a great college football player (Gordon came in second). So were RGIII and Andrew Luck (Ball was fourth that year). And yeah, there's nothing that says Taylor is better than a couple of the QBs getting the publicity ahead of him now.
And as Badger fans, of course we think our guy--one of the best to play the position in Wisconsin history--deserves a little more attention than he gets. To be fair, not fumbling at a key moment against Illinois would have helped.
For what it's worth, I think Gordon is the most NFL-ready back Wisconsin has produced (he had better ball protection than JT), and I think Dayne is the greatest college back in Wisconsin history, but I put JT at second on the NFL-ready list, and maybe second on the college back list (based on his three years of production for the Badgers), maybe third, again because of the turnovers, behind Gordon.
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Respectfully, if USC RBs could win the Heisman Trophy, why can't Badger RBs?
has the U of Wisconsin athletic department put on a serious campaign to promote Taylor? Does Taylor do enough interviews?
Has Chryst and the O-coordinator done enough to showcase his talents?
how many receptions? can he throw a decent halfback pass? and other trick plays that capture the imagination of the audience? Punt returns, KO returns?
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Darren McFadden - RB, Arkansas
Career passing line:
14-22 for 205 yds, 7 TD and 1 INT
237.8 rating
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usually the Hypesman winner has had at least one if not a few big time highlight plays
Black 41 Flash Reverse - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJtZYKIzzZE)
R-r-r-r-r-r-r-r!
I watched that on TV from a hotel room in Houston. I was there for an International Baccalaureate Organization workshop, and another OU fan and I slipped out of our meeting to watch the game. That loss ended an OU winning streak of 20 games, tied for 4th-longest in school history.
We haven't had one that long since. A couple of 14-game streaks is all.
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R-r-r-r-r-r-r-r!
I watched that on TV from a hotel room in Houston. I was there for an International Baccalaureate Organization workshop, and another OU fan and I slipped out of our meeting to watch the game. That loss ended an OU winning streak of 20 games, tied for 4th-longest in school history.
We haven't had one that long since. A couple of 14-game streaks is all.
I was lucky enough to be in the stands- in the endzone Crouch ran in to.
if you remember, Stoops tried a similar play earlier in the game
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OU's trick play must not have worked, because I don't remember it.
OU was offense-challenged in 2001.
14-3 win over Texas, and that included the Roy "Superman" Williams hit on Chris Sims that caused the deflection to Ted Lehmen for a gift TD.
That 10-20 loss to the Huskers.
13-16 loss to oSu in Norman.
10-3 win over Arkansas in the Cotton Bowl. Back when Arkansas was fielding a varsity team.
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solid defense
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solid defense
Might have been Bob's best. 2003 was pretty monstrous too.
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2003 Pelini's defense was a step up for Solich, but gave up 38 at home to KSU.
No shot at the Sooners in Arrowhead and cost Solich his job
Sooners give up 21 to LSU in the Suga, but 7 was a pick 6
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has the U of Wisconsin athletic department put on a serious campaign to promote Taylor? Does Taylor do enough interviews?
Has Chryst and the O-coordinator done enough to showcase his talents?
how many receptions? can he throw a decent halfback pass? and other trick plays that capture the imagination of the audience? Punt returns, KO returns?
UW does not do bubble gum things for anyone. UW is Big Red, and that is all UW needs and wants to be. They BARELY did anything to promote the Great Dayne.
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honorable, but gives Taylor a slim chance
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I wonder how much a hype campaign helps a player. If he is not in any conversation anywhere, it MIGHT get him a trifle of notice, but won't help him win unless he's really putting up numbers (which would get him attention anyway). It still seems to me like an award given for most and gaudiest appearances on SC and how much "difference" you made for your team as assessed by the voters.
Burrow appears to have turned LSU's offense from moribund to fantastic. We all know he didn't do it alone, but he does appear to have been that missing piece.
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Week 13 NCAA Tournament projections
| | FLORIDA ATLANTIC | | |
| 3 | | CLEMSON | | |
| | NOON - espn2 | | |
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| 25 | | APPALACHIAN STATE | | |
| 1 | | OHIO STATE | | |
| | 1:30 - ESPN | | |
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| 10 | | PENN STATE | | |
| 7 | | OKLAHOMA | | |
| | 3:00 - ABC | | |
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| 20 | | BOISE STATE | | |
| 4 | | GEORGIA | | |
| | 4:30 - espn2 | | |
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| | MIAMI(OHIO) | | |
| 2 | | LSU | | |
| | 6:00 - ESPN | | |
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| 9 | | BAYLOR | | |
| 8 | | MINNESOTA | | |
| | 7:30 - ABC | | |
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| 19 | | CINCINNATI | | |
| 5 | | ALABAMA | | |
| | 9:00 - espn2 | | |
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| 11 | | FLORIDA | | |
| 6 | | UTAH | | |
| | 10:30 - ESPN | | |
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I wonder how much a hype campaign helps a player.
Considering the Award is to best exhibit outstanding performance,ability,diligence & integrity.Manziel,Winston and even Newton and Baker hardly epitomize all those virtues which the award at one time held dear.So sadly ya lots of hype
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usually the Hypesman winner has had at least one if not a few big time highlight plays
Black 41 Flash Reverse - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJtZYKIzzZE)
Yup, one play can get voters to ignore throwing 10 INTs to only 7 TDs....
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A lot of hype is not the same as a hype campaign, I think. A lot of hype is needed, I wonder if the latter makes any impact.
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this is true, but you don't have to be a huge promoter, just encourage the kid to get behind the podium, do interviews, get his mug on the cover of a magazine
https://www.si.com/college/2019/11/26/joe-burrow-lsu-tigers-nfl (https://www.si.com/college/2019/11/26/joe-burrow-lsu-tigers-nfl)
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The UW athletic department definitely showcases Taylor in its literature (check the weekly game notes in which he has his own section). But contrast this year with last for the offense. Chryst wants to win, and he knew his problem last year was at QB. So last year was the JT show, largely because that was his only good choice. This year, Coan gives Chryst more of the balance that he wants. That makes the team better, but gives JT fewer chances. I'd rather have a team playing for a chance to play in the Big Ten title game than a team that received an invite to play in the "Biggest Disappointment" Bowl.
The Illinois game really hurt JT's chances. Laying it directly at JT's feet, had he held onto the ball in the 4th quarter against Illinois, the Badgers are a one, excusable, loss team. But he didn't. When they lost two in a row, including a blowout against Ohio State (which wasn't until the 4th quarter, but most people just looked at the final score and his yardage, which sucked), the Badgers left the national conversation, taking JT with them.
He may not ever have had a realistic shot at the Heisman this year, but he definitely doesn't now. I'll be disappointed if he doesn't get the Doak Walker, though.