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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: MaximumSam on November 17, 2019, 06:10:37 PM
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Opening line is OSU by 19
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Wow, I would have guessed 12-14.
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I think it will go down to the wire like it usually does.
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My guess (which thus far have been rather far off mostly) is Ohio State 38 Penn State 17.
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Opening line is OSU by 19
Probably not high enough...which is crazy.
Penn State is a good team, probably a top 15 team, but not in Ohio State's league. I don't know if anyone is...
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Probably not high enough...which is crazy.
Penn State is a good team, probably a top 15 team, but not in Ohio State's league. I don't know if anyone is...
Your underestimating the Nitts.
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considering Ninnies won in 2016,and lost by 1 pt in '17 & '18 that's just a tad bit robust.A healthy Hamler helps by leaps & bounds though
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There will be dueling pregame shows - Gameday will be outside the Horseshoe while Big Noon Kickoff will be inside
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It's a foregone conclusion that the Buckeyes win this one. The question is how good can the Nitts look while losing this game?
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There will be dueling pregame shows - Gameday will be outside the Horseshoe while Big Noon Kickoff will be inside
It is not surprising, there are not many contenders for GOTW this week.
The only other game between two ranked teams is Texas/Baylor but they both lost last weekend.
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OSU by a lot.
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Your underestimating the Nitts.
Penn State's secondary has been hit hard with injuries.
Penn State's best running back has been out for the last two games and it is not known if he will be back this week.
Penn State's best wide receiver was pulled with concussion like symptoms. It is not known if he will be back against Ohio State.
Chase Young will be back, of course...
Penn State has allowed over an 80% completion percentage over the last two games. This is partially due to the depleted secondary, especially poor safety play. However, the defensive line has been unable to get to the quarterback, too.
I don't think Penn State will be able to stop Mr. Fields & Co. I am not sure if the Penn State offense is good enough to consistently move the ball against OSU, either. Maybe if Chase Young was still suspended...
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I think this is the best OSU team I've seen in decades. They check every box. I agree PSU is a very good team, top 15 anyway, but OSU and LSU to me appear to be ahead of everyone else (Clemson has looked dominant of late also against light competition).
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Penn State's secondary is just bad. Indiana exposed them even more than Minnesota did.
That is why 19 points is not an overly large spread.
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Franklin's teams always play the Buckeyes tough, with some improbable upsets and heartbreaking losses mixed in. I don't see anything in his history that suggests that his team will get blown out on Saturday.
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Franklin's teams always play the Buckeyes tough, with some improbable upsets and heartbreaking losses mixed in. I don't see anything in his history that suggests that his team will get blown out on Saturday.
I agree completely. IMHO, this will be a much closer game that people are suggesting. Penn State is probably the 2nd most talented team in the conference and Ohio State will get Penn States best shot so they better be ready for it.
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Ohio State leads the all-time series 20-14.
The two teams played only sporadically before PSU joined the (then) Big11Ten. They have played every year since PSU's first year competing in this conference in 1993.
Prior to PSU joining, they played eight times with PSU holding a significant 6-2 edge:
- PSU won the first four, all in Columbus in 1912, 1956, 1963, and 1964.
- Ohio State won both of a H&H in the mid '70's (75&76).
- Penn State won in Columbus in 1978
- Penn State won in the Fiesta Bowl at the end of the 1980 season.
The Buckeyes were on the short end of a 63-14 beatdown in 1994 but Ohio State still managed to win three of the first four conference games. Furthermore, Ohio State won eight of the first 12 conference games to even up the all-time series by 2004 at 10-10.
Penn State took the lead back with a win in 2005 then Ohio State tied the series back up in 2006 and took the lead for the first time with a win in 2007. Penn State tied the series back up in 2008 (12-12) but then Ohio State won two straight to take the lead for good.
Ohio State has won six of the last seven but despite usually having a better team and sometimes a substantially better team all but three of those wins were by one score. In fact, the last three games were decided by a combined total of five points. The last seven games (reverse chronological, most recent first):
- tOSU by 1
- tOSU by 1
- PSU by 3
- tOSU by 28
- tOSU by 7
- tOSU by 49
- tOSU by 12
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tOSU is due for a tight game
this could be the one
actually would probably do the Buckeyes some good with "the game" looming
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tOSU is due for a tight game
this could be the one
actually would probably do the Buckeyes some good with "the game" looming
I think we underestimate how tough it is to play two really good teams back to back. If they get by PSU, I could see them laying an egg in A2.
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Also, the last 3 games have been margins of 1 poin, 1 point and 3 points, with PSU covering the spread as an underdog. PSU seems to do well at figuring out how to slow the Buckeye offense better than most.
Lastly, forecast is for rain/ snow. I see a low scoring game with Penn State easily covering the spread and maybe more.
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tOSU is due for a tight game
Shut up,You!!!
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I think we underestimate how tough it is to play two really good teams back to back. If they get by PSU, I could see them laying an egg in A2.
Try 3
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Try 3
If things go well the Buckeyes are about to try 5:
- vs #9 Penn State with Gameday, Big Noon, and the BTN show all in attendance and the B1G-E Championship likely on the line,
- at #12 Michigan with an undefeated season on the line in a humongous rivalry game where they can salvage their season with an upset win
- vs #11/14 Minnesota/Wisconsin (the actual opponent will likely be top-10 by the time this happens because they will have defeated the other and at least two teams ahead of them (PSU, M) will have lost.
- vs CFP #3 (likely Clemson) or #4 (who knows), CFP semi-final
- vs CFP #1, #2, #3, or #4, CFP NCG
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I'm having a tough time envisioning this as a close game regardless of how it has played out in recent years. PSU has only outgained its opponent in 5 of the 10 games its played. They had more 1st downs than their opponent in 4 games, less in 5 games and tied 1 game. Those numbers are staggering for a one loss team.
To their credit, they don't turn the ball over much and excel with chunk plays. They are a good team, but if OSU is what they appear to be, this one ain't gonna be a game.
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If things go well the Buckeyes are about to try 5:
- vs #9 Penn State with Gameday, Big Noon, and the BTN show all in attendance and the B1G-E Championship likely on the line,
- at #12 Michigan with an undefeated season on the line in a humongous rivalry game where they can salvage their season with an upset win
- vs #11/14 Minnesota/Wisconsin (the actual opponent will likely be top-10 by the time this happens because they will have defeated the other and at least two teams ahead of them (PSU, M) will have lost.
- vs CFP #3 (likely Clemson) or #4 (who knows), CFP semi-final
- vs CFP #1, #2, #3, or #4, CFP NCG
Can't call the CFP games "in a row" with the regular season and conference championship. There is a month of recovery and preparation before them.
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I'm having a tough time envisioning this as a close game regardless of how it has played out in recent years. PSU has only outgained its opponent in 5 of the 10 games its played. They had more 1st downs than their opponent in 4 games, less in 5 games and tied 1 game. Those numbers are staggering for a one loss team.
To their credit, they don't turn the ball over much and excel with chunk plays. They are a good team, but if OSU is what they appear to be, this one ain't gonna be a game.
This series has produced some of the very best, knock down drag out, come from behind, big play, drama the college football has seen over the last few years
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Maybe if it was a white out .... but no.
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I'm having a tough time envisioning this as a close game regardless of how it has played out in recent years. PSU has only outgained its opponent in 5 of the 10 games its played. They had more 1st downs than their opponent in 4 games, less in 5 games and tied 1 game. Those numbers are staggering for a one loss team.
To their credit, they don't turn the ball over much and excel with chunk plays. They are a good team, but if OSU is what they appear to be, this one ain't gonna be a game.
I hadn't realized all of this.
I just get the feeling that PSU is living on borrowed time and it is about to end. Back on October 19 about half-way though the second quarter against Michigan the Nittany Lions were ranked #7 in the nation and up 21-0 against a stout opponent. Since then, here is what they have done:
- Got outscored 21-7 over the last 33 minutes against Michigan at home.
- Beat Michigan State 28-7 but this is an MSU team that hasn't held an opponent below 28 points since Northwestern way back in September.
- Lost to Minnesota.
- Struggled mightily with an Indiana team that Ohio State obliterated.
As an Ohio State fan I feel like I should be nervous but I just can't see PSU keeping up.
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I hadn't realized all of this.
I just get the feeling that PSU is living on borrowed time and it is about to end. Back on October 19 about half-way though the second quarter against Michigan the Nittany Lions were ranked #7 in the nation and up 21-0 against a stout opponent. Since then, here is what they have done:
- Got outscored 21-7 over the last 33 minutes against Michigan at home.
- Beat Michigan State 28-7 but this is an MSU team that hasn't held an opponent below 28 points since Northwestern way back in September.
- Lost to Minnesota.
- Struggled mightily with an Indiana team that Ohio State obliterated.
As an Ohio State fan I feel like I should be nervous but I just can't see PSU keeping up.
I love your optimism. However, I still have that nagging feeling that this will be a slug-fest. I hope I'm wrong, but I can't shake that feeling.
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I'm going to agree NOB,Franklin and the Ninnies are going all in.This will be a good test on tOSU defense against Clifford and Company.They'll want up off the canvas after last week.Of course I hope MB is right
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This should always be a night game on the final Saturday in October.
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To my eye, Penn State has been inconsistent - it's very difficult to tell what you are going to get from any side of the ball on any given day. A talented team that can be very good or very mediocre, so obviously OSU hopes to catch them on the bad end of that.
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I love your optimism. However, I still have that nagging feeling that this will be a slug-fest. I hope I'm wrong, but I can't shake that feeling.
I'm going to agree NOB,Franklin and the Ninnies are going all in.This will be a good test on tOSU defense against Clifford and Company.They'll want up off the canvas after last week.Of course I hope MB is right
I don't *THINK* it is that I am being optimistic so much as that my concern has shifted. I watched the PSU/M game. Mid way through the second quarter PSU was a 6-0 team ranked #7 in the Nation and they were up 21-0 on #16 Michigan. It looked like the PSU/M game was going to turn out just like Michigan's game against Wisconsin. PSU appeared to be well on their way to running the Wolverines off the field.
At that point (five minutes to go in the second Quarter of the M/PSU game) Michigan did not look good at all. FWIW, Michigan trailed 21-0 with five minutes left in both Madison and Happy Valley. They were a 5-1 team ranked #16 but they had gotten run off the field in Madison and appeared to be about to get run off the field in Happy Valley. They also looked sluggish against MTSU, needed OT to beat Army, managed only 10 points at home against Iowa and nearly blew a huge lead at Illinois.
If you had asked me right then what I thought of Ohio State's remaining opponents I would have told you without hesitation that I thought PSU was Ohio State's most dangerous remaining opponent.
Since that point PSU has looked pretty average. As I listed above, since the the Nittany Lions:
- Got outscored 21-7 by Michigan.
- Beat MSU 28-7 but that is an MSU team that has given up at least 28 points to each of their last six opponents.
- Lost to Minnesota.
- Struggled mightily with an Indiana team that Ohio State obliterated.
Since that same point Michigan has looked like the B1G and National Championship contender that most of us expected them to be before the season started. Since falling behind 21-0 in Happy Valley the Wolverines:
- Outscored PSU 21-7.
- Obliterated a pretty solid Notre Dame team.
- Obliterated Maryland.
- Obliterated Michigan State. Note that Michigan's 44-10 win over MSU was more impressive than either tOSU's 34-10 win or PSU's 28-7 win.
If you ranked the entire B1G by their performance only since PSU scored their third TD in their game against Michigan the Wolverines would be in the discussion for #1 with Ohio State while the Nittany Lions would be in a distinctly lower tier.
Over in the Power Rankings thread I have PSU #2 and Michigan #4 but that is in large part because I'm trying to rank the whole season. However, I'm not sure whether or not that ranking is appropriate because I usually think of it as "who would win on a neutral field tomorrow" and on that basis . . .
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That's great,insightful logic,however a Border War on a different day with different energies all that can fall by the wayside.Factoring in the fervent fans,I just hope the Good Guys grind them down
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That's great,insightful logic,however a Border War on a different day with different energies all that can fall by the wayside.Factoring in the fervent fans,I just hope the Good Guys grind them down
Let me phrase this as a question for you. If some wealthy benefactor offered you a big pile of money if you correctly picked a game that Ohio State would win and you had only two choices, this week's PSU game or next week's Michigan game, which one would you pick?
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I'll let you know Dec 1st open my pie hole and it will blow up in my face and circle around and bite me in the ass
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FWIW, Michigan trailed 21-0 with five minutes left in both Madison and Happy Valley. They were a 5-1 team ranked #16 but they had gotten run off the field in Madison and appeared to be about to get run off the field in Happy Valley. They also looked sluggish against MTSU, needed OT to beat Army, managed only 10 points at home against Iowa and nearly blew a huge lead at Illinois.
If you had asked me right then what I thought of Ohio State's remaining opponents I would have told you without hesitation that I thought PSU was Ohio State's most dangerous remaining opponent.
Since that point PSU has looked pretty average. As I listed above, since the the Nittany Lions:
- Got outscored 21-7 by Michigan.
- Beat MSU 28-7 but that is an MSU team that has given up at least 28 points to each of their last six opponents.
- Lost to Minnesota.
- Struggled mightily with an Indiana team that Ohio State obliterated.
Since that same point Michigan has looked like the B1G and National Championship contender that most of us expected them to be before the season started. Since falling behind 21-0 in Happy Valley the Wolverines:
- Outscored PSU 21-7.
- Obliterated a pretty solid Notre Dame team.
- Obliterated Maryland.
- Obliterated Michigan State. Note that Michigan's 44-10 win over MSU was more impressive than either tOSU's 34-10 win or PSU's 28-7 win.
If you ranked the entire B1G by their performance only since PSU scored their third TD in their game against Michigan the Wolverines would be in the discussion for #1 with Ohio State while the Nittany Lions would be in a distinctly lower tier.
This is what I'm seeing but would add that PSU looked pedestrian in the 1st half against Buffalo and also against Pitt. The writing has been on the wall all season. It's impressive that they've managed only a single loss IMO. If PSU wins or loses by less than 8 points, I'm questioning how good OSU is. Everything we've seen thus far points to a convincing OSU win.
The same applies for UM against Indiana. If they don't win that game convincingly, next week against OSU is going to be rough for them. I haven't seen anything to suggest that UM/IU should be competitive regardless of recent history between the two teams.
I'm expecting convincing wins from OSU and UM on Saturday. I also think their matchup next week will be a good one. UM appears like they might have a legitimate shot, but would like to see how things play out this weekend first.
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I don't *THINK* it is that I am being optimistic so much as that my concern has shifted. I watched the PSU/M game. Mid way through the second quarter PSU was a 6-0 team ranked #7 in the Nation and they were up 21-0 on #16 Michigan. It looked like the PSU/M game was going to turn out just like Michigan's game against Wisconsin. PSU appeared to be well on their way to running the Wolverines off the field.
At that point (five minutes to go in the second Quarter of the M/PSU game) Michigan did not look good at all. FWIW, Michigan trailed 21-0 with five minutes left in both Madison and Happy Valley. They were a 5-1 team ranked #16 but they had gotten run off the field in Madison and appeared to be about to get run off the field in Happy Valley. They also looked sluggish against MTSU, needed OT to beat Army, managed only 10 points at home against Iowa and nearly blew a huge lead at Illinois.
If you had asked me right then what I thought of Ohio State's remaining opponents I would have told you without hesitation that I thought PSU was Ohio State's most dangerous remaining opponent.
Since that point PSU has looked pretty average. As I listed above, since the the Nittany Lions:
- Got outscored 21-7 by Michigan.
- Beat MSU 28-7 but that is an MSU team that has given up at least 28 points to each of their last six opponents.
- Lost to Minnesota.
- Struggled mightily with an Indiana team that Ohio State obliterated.
Since that same point Michigan has looked like the B1G and National Championship contender that most of us expected them to be before the season started. Since falling behind 21-0 in Happy Valley the Wolverines:
- Outscored PSU 21-7.
- Obliterated a pretty solid Notre Dame team.
- Obliterated Maryland.
- Obliterated Michigan State. Note that Michigan's 44-10 win over MSU was more impressive than either tOSU's 34-10 win or PSU's 28-7 win.
If you ranked the entire B1G by their performance only since PSU scored their third TD in their game against Michigan the Wolverines would be in the discussion for #1 with Ohio State while the Nittany Lions would be in a distinctly lower tier.
Over in the Power Rankings thread I have PSU #2 and Michigan #4 but that is in large part because I'm trying to rank the whole season. However, I'm not sure whether or not that ranking is appropriate because I usually think of it as "who would win on a neutral field tomorrow" and on that basis . . .
I agree with everything you posted. All I am saying is that I've seen teams that I thought that OSU should dominate, come in and throttle them. Granted, it was always TTUN that did it to them, but it still concerns me. The 1995 and 1996 teams still haunt me to this day. In both cases, Ohio State should have mopped the floor with the skunk weasels, but we know how that turned out.
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I agree with everything you posted. All I am saying is that I've seen teams that I thought that OSU should dominate, come in and throttle them. Granted, it was always TTUN that did it to them, but it still concerns me. The 1995 and 1996 teams still haunt me to this day. In both cases, Ohio State should have mopped the floor with the skunk weasels, but we know how that turned out.
Oh trust me, I know. I was a student both of those years. I watched the 1995 game with my roommates in our off-campus apartment and I was at the 1996 game. Ugh.
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That's great,insightful logic,however a Border War on a different day with different energies all that can fall by the wayside.Factoring in the fervent fans,I just hope the Good Guys grind them down
Oh, so you're hoping for a Penn State win.
Awesome
:)
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Franklin to FSU or USC? Seems to be lot of talk that both those schools are targeting him.
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Franklin to FSU or USC? Seems to be lot of talk that both those schools are targeting him.
I'm not sure I'd consider that a step up. Maaaybe USC, but just barely. Is he getting sick of the fans or something? I know most fans are good there, but there have been some issues (Sutherland, Clifford) this year.
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I'm not sure I'd consider that a step up. Maaaybe USC, but just barely. Is he getting sick of the fans or something? I know most fans are good there, but there have been some issues (Sutherland, Clifford) this year.
IMHO, USC is the absolute best job in all of College Football. If you look at Mandel's famous/infamous Kings/Barons/Knights/Peasants hierarchy (https://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/college-football-program-pecking-order-3-0-dividing-all-66-bcs-teams-into-four-tier-hierarchy-052517) there are 13 "Kings". Listed from West to East they are:
- USC
- Texas
- Oklahoma
- LSU
- Bama
- Notre Dame
- Michigan
- Ohio State
- Florida State
- Clemson
- Florida
- Penn State
- Miami
USC should be an absolutely loaded CFP contender every single year. Their nearest "equals" are in Austin, Texas and Norman, Oklahoma which are both over 1,000 miles to the east. USC should flat out dominate recruiting in a humongous chunk of the United States. Furthermore, there are a LOT of quality HS football programs in California and there are some decent recruits in NV, AZ, and other western states as well.
I'm not trying to knock Penn State, just saying that if I were a highly sought after CFB coach USC would be the first call I would take.
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Franklin to FSU or USC? Seems to be lot of talk that both those schools are targeting him.
Doubtful. No real smoke involved here, just speculation from the media.
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Is Clay Helton really on the hot seat anyways? They are likely going to finish 8-4 with a slew of injuries at the QB position this year. Is this all because Oregon blew them out? I think Clay should at least get one more year and probably more.
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I'm not trying to knock Penn State, just saying that if I were a highly sought after CFB coach USC would be the first call I would take.
I don't,years ago maybe.Factoring in fan apathy(attendance) and the outrageous ticket prices and it's campus location it's simply not the sparkling gig it once was.When is the last time you've seen the Coliseum even 3/4 filled.Even when pretty Pete was there it was just missing the great college atmosphere that others you've listed after them has in aces.If the money was equal I'd take quite a few jobs over it
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Ah,maybe I should go over to the Penn State boards and get my allocation of abuse.Tell them Franklin's leaving and the top two prospects in PA, have verballed to the Scarlett & Gray.Inform them they should have stuck to waterboarding BC/Temple/Rutgers/Syracuse/Pitt/Maryland.Tell them they're at the Big Boy Table now - then show myself out
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I don't,years ago maybe.Factoring in fan apathy(attendance) and the outrageous ticket prices and it's campus location it's simply not the sparkling gig it once was.When is the last time you've seen the Coliseum even 3/4 filled.Even when pretty Pete was there it was just missing the great college atmosphere that others you've listed after them has in aces.If the money was equal I'd take quite a few jobs over it
you ALWAYS take the job where you can get the best recruits
all other factors are minimal
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Ah,maybe I should go over to the Penn State boards and get my allocation of abuse.Tell them Franklin's leaving and the top two prospects in PA, have verballed to the Scarlett & Gray.Inform them they should have stuck to waterboarding BC/Temple/Rutgers/Syracuse/Pitt/Maryland.Tell them they're at the Big Boy Table now - then show myself out
the only thing wrong with this post is the inclusion of the word "maybe"
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I don't,years ago maybe.Factoring in fan apathy(attendance) and the outrageous ticket prices and it's campus location it's simply not the sparkling gig it once was.When is the last time you've seen the Coliseum even 3/4 filled.Even when pretty Pete was there it was just missing the great college atmosphere that others you've listed after them has in aces.If the money was equal I'd take quite a few jobs over it
I agree with Fearless:
you ALWAYS take the job where you can get the best recruits
all other factors are minimal
You are right, SoCal doesn't have the number nor intensity of CFB fans that you will find in the South or midwest but who cares? Would you rather coach a NC winning dynasty in a half full SoCal stadium or coach an also-ran in a full stadium in the South or Midwest? That is a no brainer for me, I'd rather coach a NC winning CFB dynasty.
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Nubbz is a better man than I
he measures success on a different more spiritual level
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Don't sell yourself short Sharkwater is spirits,your eggnog has spirits,maybe even Bud Fat - see you already had it in you
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I agree with Fearless:You are right, SoCal doesn't have the number nor intensity of CFB fans that you will find in the South or midwest but who cares? Would you rather coach a NC winning dynasty in a half full SoCal stadium or coach an also-ran in a full stadium in the South or Midwest? That is a no brainer for me, I'd rather coach a NC winning CFB dynasty.
Just seems the interest is less as the prices go up - just an IMO - observation.But Lady Clairol as Hooky(RIP)masquerading as ND Rules referred to Pete Carroll is an extreme case.Flashy/groovy kinda laid back cat fit right in with the SoCal mantra everything came together in time-space and all that sorta thing.Lot of nice campuses in the PAC why head to south central?
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groovy kinda laid back cat, Pete the cheat
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If ya ain't cheatin' ya ain't trying,Bueller,Bueller
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if ya ain't rubbin, ya ain't racin
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if ya ain't rubbin, ya ain't racin
You a Ricky Bobby Fan?
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Penn St has an injured center?
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Just got back from the game.
Wow. OSU gave up 17 points to turnovers and still won.
I really thought I saw Tressel pacing on the sidelines there in the 2nd half, nothing but conservative runs.
I won't have a voice tomorrow, and take personal credit for the numerous false starts and miscues PSU's backup QB had.
I hope the Buckeyes can rest/heal up.
IT'S TTUN WEEK!