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Title: Divisional Races and Bowl Plans after week 11
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on November 12, 2019, 11:36:36 AM
B1G-East:


The ties:
Michigan would lose a two-way tie with PSU due to H2H.  In the event of a three-way tie with PSU and tOSU the Buckeyes would be eliminated based on divisional record and PSU would beat Michigan based on H2H.  

Indiana would lose a two-way tie with tOSU due to H2H.  In the event of a three-way tie with PSU and tOSU all three would be 1-1 against each other (tOSU>IU>PSU>tOSU) and the Nittany Lions would win based on their superior divisional record.  

A four-way tie at 7-2 is NOT mathematically possible because the Wolverines and Hoosiers already have two losses and still have to play each other.  

B1G-West:

Illinois and Iowa:
The Illinois/Iowa loser is mathematically eliminated.  However, if either team were to win out, they could finish 6-3 which could get them into a tie for the B1G-W with a lot of help.  

Illinois:
This creates a three-way tie atop the B1G-W at 6-3 between IL, MN, and UW.  They would all be 1-1 against each other (IL>UW>MN>IL).  The next tiebreaker is divisional record which Wisconsin would win.  Thus, the Illini are mathematically eliminated.  


Iowa:
This creates either a two-way tie between Iowa and Minnesota or a three-way tie between Iowa, Minnesota, and Wisconsin.  Iowa would win the two-way tie based on H2H.  In the event of a three-way tie all three would be 1-1 against each other (UW<IA<MN<UW) and Wisconsin would win that based on divisional record.  


Thus, the only way for Iowa to get to Indianapolis is for all of the following to happen:


Bowl position*:

*On the above list I have ignored the possibility of a 5-7 team getting a waiver.  

Title: Re: Divisional Races and Bowl Plans after week 11
Post by: LittlePig on November 12, 2019, 07:11:41 PM
An interesting thing happened last week in the overall race between the Big Ten East and Big Ten West.

Minny upset PSU and ILL upset MSU. The West actually went 2-0 against the East.

So instead of the East running away and easily clinching with 3 weeks to go, all of a sudden the East lead is down to only 1 game with just 3 inter division games left

Neb-MD
Pur-Indy
Big Ten CCG
Title: Re: Divisional Races and Bowl Plans after week 11
Post by: LittlePig on November 12, 2019, 08:02:40 PM
Assuming OSU goes 13-0 and goes to the playoffs,  you got to figure Minny is close to a lock for the Rose Bowl.  Even if they drop 1 game to either Iowa or Wiscy, as long as they don't lose to both of them, they are headed to Pasedena.

If it comes down to 11-2 Minny vs 10-2 PSU, the Rose Bowl almost has to pick Minny due to its H2H  win against PSU.
Title: Re: Divisional Races and Bowl Plans after week 11
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on November 12, 2019, 08:09:40 PM
An interesting thing happened last week in the overall race between the Big Ten East and Big Ten West.

Minny upset PSU and ILL upset MSU. The West actually went 2-0 against the East.

So instead of the East running away and easily clinching with 3 weeks to go, all of a sudden the East lead is down to only 1 game with just 3 inter division games left
Neb-MD
Pur-Indy
Big Ten CCG
That is interesting because unless Maryland beats Nebraska it will come down to at least the Oaken Bucket game in the final weekend.  
Title: Re: Divisional Races and Bowl Plans after week 11
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 12, 2019, 08:18:31 PM
Nebraska is scary bad this year. I could see Maryland giving them a game.
Title: Re: Divisional Races and Bowl Plans after week 11
Post by: Cincydawg on November 13, 2019, 07:02:42 AM
I'd love to see Minnesota in the Rose Bowl, and that looks fairly likely.  (For them to make the playoff would be even more choice, but unlikely.)

I presume they would face Utah/Oregon.  That would be a fun game to watch.

Did anyone see this coming?  Even midseason?  Minny had those close wins over bad teams and folks figured they were meh.
Title: Re: Divisional Races and Bowl Plans after week 11
Post by: Temp430 on November 13, 2019, 07:04:48 AM
So if the Gophers win this Saturday night in Kinnick they're going to Indianapolis?
Title: Re: Divisional Races and Bowl Plans after week 11
Post by: Cincydawg on November 13, 2019, 07:26:29 AM
I think if Minny loses to Iowa OR NW AND Wisconsin, they go to the CG.

They can lose to NW and Wisconsin and Wisconsin goes H2H (if Wisconsin wins out).
Title: Re: Divisional Races and Bowl Plans after week 11
Post by: LittlePig on November 13, 2019, 07:46:18 AM
So if the Gophers win this Saturday night in Kinnick they're going to Indianapolis?
At that point Minny almost has it clinched.  Technically Minny would still need to beat NW the next week to officially clinch.

if they do all that then the Minn-Wisc won't matter as far as the division race goes.
Title: Re: Divisional Races and Bowl Plans after week 11
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on November 13, 2019, 09:47:24 AM
At that point Minny almost has it clinched.  Technically Minny would still need to beat NW the next week to officially clinch.

if they do all that then the Minn-Wisc won't matter as far as the division race goes.
Exactly.  
Title: Re: Divisional Races and Bowl Plans after week 11
Post by: LittlePig on November 13, 2019, 01:34:08 PM
If I had to guess....

CFP bowl. OSU 13-0
ROSE -  Minny 11-2
Cotton - PSU 10-2
Citrus -  Wiscy 9-3
Outback - Mich 9-3
Holiday -  Iowa 9-3
Gator - Indy 8-4
Pinstripe -  MSU 6-6
Redbox - ILL 7-5

Staying home
Neb 5-7
Pur 4-8

Of course the twist is what if PSU does not go to the Cotton?  Then PSU gets bumped to Outback.  Mich to Holiday.  Iowa to Redbox.  ILL to Pinstripe.  MSU to Quickline.
Title: Re: Divisional Races and Bowl Plans after week 11
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on November 14, 2019, 08:55:06 AM
Only one team can clinch a spot in the B1GCG this weekend and that is unlikely but a slew of teams are in danger of being mathematically eliminated.  

Minnesota would clinch with a win (at Iowa) and a Wisconsin loss (at Nebraska).  That would clinch not only a spot in the B1GCG but an outright B1G-W Championship for the Gophers.  

Wins by both PSU and tOSU would eliminate both Indiana and Michigan.  As a practical matter, Michigan needs PSU to lose to Indiana.  Otherwise, Michigan can't get to Indianapolis without Rutgers beating PSU (and PSU beating tOSU and winning out).  

In the B1G-W Iowa's slim chance would be eliminated with a loss while Wisconsin's chance would be eliminated with a loss (at Nebraska) and a Minnesota win (at Iowa).  
Title: Re: Divisional Races and Bowl Plans after week 11
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on November 15, 2019, 12:00:47 PM
Just for fun:

A four way tie at 6-3 is still mathematically possible in the B1G-E but it is incredibly unlikely mostly because it would require Rutgers to beat both Ohio State (at home) and Penn State (on the road).  

Two things have to happen:

Indiana and Michigan play each other so:
Hypothetical scenario #1:

The first tiebreaker is H2H2H2H and in this scenario:
The rules stipulate that when only two teams are left, the winner of the game between those two goes so PSU would go to Indianapolis.  

Hypothetical scenario #2:

The first tiebreaker is H2H2H2H and in this scenario:
The rules stipulate that when only two teams are left, the winner of the game between those two goes so IU would go to Indianapolis.  

Title: Re: Divisional Races and Bowl Plans after week 11
Post by: LittlePig on November 15, 2019, 12:53:10 PM
Lol,  I would have stopped at Rutgers needs to beat both OSU and PSU.