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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Temp430 on November 11, 2019, 06:58:34 AM

Title: Michigan State (2-5, 4-6) at #14 Michigan (5-2, 8-2) Post Game
Post by: Temp430 on November 11, 2019, 06:58:34 AM
Sparty is a 14.5 point underdog in this Noon game on Fox.  Wondering what Dantonio will have to say about this year's version of the rivalry.  As always its guaranteed to be the nastiest game of the year for these two.

Title: Re: Michigan State (4-5, 2-4) at #14 Michigan (7-2, 4-2) Game Week
Post by: Cincydawg on November 11, 2019, 08:20:20 AM
I suspect Michigan wins this one handily, something like 34-13.

They seem to be gelling while MSU is perhaps regressing.
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-5, 2-4) at #14 Michigan (7-2, 4-2) Game Week
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 11, 2019, 08:23:08 AM
(https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-29-2015/s569aN.gif)
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-5, 2-4) at #14 Michigan (7-2, 4-2) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on November 11, 2019, 09:52:33 AM
Mdot loves that
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-5, 2-4) at #14 Michigan (7-2, 4-2) Game Week
Post by: MichiFan87 on November 11, 2019, 01:02:40 PM
The better team almost always wins this game (the 2001 game was the last big upset, and we all know how that happened). That said, these games tend to be closer than they should be, especially when Michigan wins.

Sparty does usually play their best game in this one, though. However, after last weekend and the way their whole season has gone, I think it's fair to question how motivated they'll be. They've also been dominated in all 3 games against top opponents this year, even moreso in Columbus and Madison than at home against Penn State.

Matchup-wise, Michigan's defense should be dominant considering they've shut down comparable to better offenses (eg. Notre Dame and Iowa), and they dominated this game last year, too, and now the losses from last year's defense aren't really that apparent with the emergence of Paye, McGrone, Thomas, and Hutchinson.... Offensively, it's clear that the Sparty defense isn't as good any more. Hopefully the passing game will be more aggressive downfield, but that's been frustratingly infrequent. As good as Charbonnet and Haskins have been of late, I'm not sure Michigan will be able to dominate on the ground in this game..... Of course, turnovers will have a big impact, as always, and Michigan has been better at not committing them along with forcing them of late..... Michigan's special teams also appear to be at least somewhat better.

I'll say 31-7.
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-5, 2-4) at #14 Michigan (7-2, 4-2) Game Week
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 11, 2019, 01:25:19 PM
If Sparty does somehow pull it off, the meltdown on the Michigan board would be one for the ages.
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-5, 2-4) at #14 Michigan (7-2, 4-2) Game Week
Post by: MaximumSam on November 11, 2019, 02:20:29 PM
Charles Rogers passed away. Only 38
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-5, 2-4) at #14 Michigan (7-2, 4-2) Game Week
Post by: ELA on November 11, 2019, 03:12:15 PM
Charles Rogers passed away. Only 38
3rd different thread it's been posted in today.

Sad thing is, he was basically kicked out of the NFL for weed, and died from an addiction he developed from painkillers the league passed out like candy.
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-5, 2-4) at #14 Michigan (7-2, 4-2) Game Week
Post by: MarqHusker on November 11, 2019, 03:27:36 PM
That botched punt ending is one of my favorite memories of a play I didn't see or hear live.  I was in the john at Notre Dame Stadium, before the USC at ND game, and of course everybody's trying to follow this game on their phones, and the service is of course spotty at best, not to mention the Gameplay apps on these sites were all confused as #$%@ by what happened.   

I heard all kinds of utterances.  "Michigan's punting, its over,"  "There's some kind of delay."   "Wait, they ran back the punt"  "No, it was blocked out of bounds."  "Michigan St won!.......How?"    "Was there a flag?"   "It's under review?"   This tweet says it was a TD, but they didn't say how."  "Doesn't anyone have headphones anymore?"
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-5, 2-4) at #14 Michigan (7-2, 4-2) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on November 11, 2019, 03:37:15 PM
Normally I fill the kiddie pool with Ice & Beer and yard bags with Popcorn for this one.The Spartans are looking spanked,there is "No Way" they defeat the Wolverines this Saturday
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-5, 2-4) at #14 Michigan (7-2, 4-2) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on November 11, 2019, 03:39:34 PM
3rd different thread it's been posted in today.

Sad thing is, he was basically kicked out of the NFL for weed, and died from an addiction he developed from painkillers the league passed out like candy.
North Dallas Forty 40 yrs ago was loosely based on this PR Hypocrisy - great movie
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-5, 2-4) at #14 Michigan (7-2, 4-2) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on November 11, 2019, 03:45:03 PM
If Sparty does somehow pull it off, the meltdown on the Michigan board would be one for the ages.
That would be a shocker prolly in line Harbaugh's Standford Team taking down Pete Carrol's Trojan war machine as a 41 point Dog
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-5, 2-4) at #14 Michigan (7-2, 4-2) Game Week
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 11, 2019, 06:55:58 PM
That would be a shocker prolly in line Harbaugh's Standford Team taking down Pete Carrol's Trojan war machine as a 41 point Dog

Yeah it would!

They'd be all like

(https://3psmag.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/stunned-michigan-fan_1bblcb88ymg711i8p2z86sfe5r.jpg)
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-5, 2-4) at #14 Michigan (7-2, 4-2) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on November 11, 2019, 07:13:59 PM
Mdot loves that
I remember watching that Game while commenting in the Live game Thread(SOC) talking to Sam and a few others.And the blocked returned TD.Next thing Mdot posts   *!~#$% You,GOD.I was LMAO as I ducked for cover
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-5, 2-4) at #14 Michigan (7-2, 4-2) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on November 11, 2019, 07:17:11 PM
so, you're not going to all the work with the kiddie pool?
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-5, 2-4) at #14 Michigan (7-2, 4-2) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on November 11, 2019, 07:30:26 PM
if Harbaugh loses at home as a 14 point favorite he should just kill himself.
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-5, 2-4) at #14 Michigan (7-2, 4-2) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on November 11, 2019, 07:49:19 PM
Atta Boy don't gussie it up
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-5, 2-4) at #14 Michigan (7-2, 4-2) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on November 11, 2019, 07:53:34 PM
Atta Boy don't gussie it up
Hey man, I'm sick of Jim's bullshit. He's got to put up or shut up. Time to shit or get off the pot. If he can't handle a down and wounded Michigan State at home- he ought to just quit.

I already know Ohio State is going win, I just want to see a competitive game and a program that is turning the corner. Just want to see some fight in this team. They are just like their head coach- like lackadaisical spaced-out zombies on meds for too many stretches of too many games. Where's the fire? Where's the passion? Where is the fight? Where is the edge? That's what I want to see. That's what Harbaugh teams were like in the past. Jim's just kinda lost it man.
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-5, 2-4) at #14 Michigan (7-2, 4-2) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on November 11, 2019, 08:06:08 PM
You're right he seemed better at leading when he was experiencing Roid Rage,Bad Blood,loose wire or what ever it was
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-5, 2-4) at #14 Michigan (7-2, 4-2) Game Week
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 11, 2019, 08:09:29 PM
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--OgLX3aP7--/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/t8xtszchy1bwpkzg3ywz.jpg)
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-5, 2-4) at #14 Michigan (7-2, 4-2) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on November 11, 2019, 08:13:31 PM
There's our Jimmy
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-5, 2-4) at #14 Michigan (7-2, 4-2) Game Week
Post by: 847badgerfan on November 11, 2019, 08:28:31 PM
(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/8p3H0b6-4vNEK-cNXv8rspmIfZQ=/0x220:1720x1367/1200x800/filters:focal(0x220:1720x1367)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/48601057/493455090.0.jpg)
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-5, 2-4) at #14 Michigan (7-2, 4-2) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on November 11, 2019, 08:50:21 PM
brutal
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-5, 2-4) at #14 Michigan (7-2, 4-2) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on November 11, 2019, 09:43:23 PM
See what happens after ingesting too much Sharkwater
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-5, 2-4) at #14 Michigan (7-2, 4-2) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on November 11, 2019, 09:48:19 PM
Sharkwater is no substitute for Methaqualone
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-5, 2-4) at #14 Michigan (7-2, 4-2) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on November 11, 2019, 09:51:44 PM
Stop keeping Sharkwater in meth bottles,hasn't hurt him financially though
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-5, 2-4) at #14 Michigan (7-2, 4-2) Game Week
Post by: CWSooner on November 12, 2019, 12:00:15 AM
North Dallas Forty 40 yrs ago was loosely based on this PR Hypocrisy - great movie
Good movie.

Better book.
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-5, 2-4) at #14 Michigan (7-2, 4-2) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on November 12, 2019, 12:14:04 AM
yup, read the book before watching the movie
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-5, 2-4) at #14 Michigan (7-2, 4-2) Game Week
Post by: Temp430 on November 12, 2019, 07:44:54 AM
Michigan always gets Sparty's best shot.  Sparty could go 1-11 and if the win was over Michigan a big percentage of their fan base would call the season a success.
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-5, 2-4) at #14 Michigan (7-2, 4-2) Game Week
Post by: Riffraft on November 12, 2019, 09:01:09 AM
North Dallas Forty 40 yrs ago was loosely based on this PR Hypocrisy - great movie

The book was better.
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-5, 2-4) at #14 Michigan (7-2, 4-2) Game Week
Post by: ELA on November 12, 2019, 12:24:24 PM
Season ending injury for Matt Dotson
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-5, 2-4) at #14 Michigan (7-2, 4-2) Game Week
Post by: ELA on November 14, 2019, 01:28:35 PM
LOL

https://twitter.com/CopeMoney/status/1195007658631163904
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-5, 2-4) at #14 Michigan (7-2, 4-2) Game Week
Post by: MichiFan87 on November 14, 2019, 01:56:00 PM
Michigan has stayed rather healthy this year, but it's Harbaugh's policy not to disclose injuries that haven't been previously reported.

Josh Ross is likely still out, though he apparently could play, but supposedly he wants to redshirt this year, and he can only play in one more game, which will presumably be the Ohio State game. A few other guys have had minor injuries in recent games, too.
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-5, 2-4) at #14 Michigan (7-2, 4-2) Game Week
Post by: ELA on November 14, 2019, 04:53:48 PM


Michigan State Spartans (2-4, 4-5) at #15 Michigan Wolverines (4-2, 7-2)
NOON - Ann Arbor, MI - FOX
One downside in putting "big" games late in the year is handing one of your best teams a critical late loss.  Another one is this, one team being so disappointing that the game is very underwhelming by the time it rolls around.  The series has benefited greatly in recent years based on one or both teams having a false early season boost, that would have leveled out had they instead met on the third Saturday in November, as they are this year.  Michigan has wins over #24 Michigan State in 2018, #11 in 2005, and #14 in 1997, with those Spartan teams winding up unranked, and in 2005's case, below .500.  Michigan State has wins over #7 Michigan in 2017, #23 in 2013, #11 in 2011, #18 in 2010, and #22 in 2009, all of which finished unranked.  So while this game feels like lower stakes, those are 8 cases in the past 20 years where the hype was simply misplaced early October hype, and would have looked a lot like this by November 16.  In late September, we had no idea how Michigan's struggling offense would move the ball against Michigan State's elite defense.  Well, something clicked and Michigan's offense is rolling now, while Michigan State's defense has cratered.  As bad as the four previous games had been, Indiana, Ohio State, Wisconsin and Penn State had offenses that were excusable to the extent that we still thought the Spartan defense was at least fine.  Giving up 27 4th quarter points last week to Illinois puts an end to that talk.  Going into the 4th quarter, MSU had a 99.6% chance to win.  Well, we saw the 1 in 250 time that doesn't happen.  Michigan State is still strong against the run, but too many big plays, too many mistakes, and too many penalties have made the entire side of the ball a liability.  The Illini ran for just 1.3 ypc, and Brandon Peters completed barely 50% of his passes, with a sub-50 QBR.  But Illinois had scoring plays of 46, 83 and 76 yards, MSU had 4 turnovers, and the winning Illinois touchdown pass came after an unnecessary pass interference call that allowed the drive to continue.  Michigan will get Michigan State's best shot most of the time, but I'm not sure they've played against this lame duck of a Spartan team since 2002, and that ended 49-3.  The key to the Michigan offense appears to be Hassan Haskins, who had 14 combined carries over Michigan's first 5 games, has gotten 58 over their past 4.  That has coincided with Zach Charbonnet having 3 of his 4 best games by ypc, and Shea Patterson having 4 of his 5 highest QBRs of the season.  The Michigan defense, after being questioned following the Madison disaster, is right back where they need to be, and are quietly up to #2 in total defense in conference games, at 4.3, trailing only Ohio State.  The Michigan State offense got some things working last week, by finally being able to run the ball, and a very effective first half Lewerke.  Couple problems with that being, (1) I think Illinois banged up front seven was just that bad, because I doubt Michigan State's offensive line figured out how to run block in Week 11, and (2) Brian Lewerke regressed back into who he's been too often this year.  Without Darrell Stewart or Jalen Nailor to stretch the field vertically there is no way Michigan State establishes any sort of run game here.  Without starting tight end Matt Dotson, Michigan State loses another threat in the pass game, but Dotson is a horrible run blocker, so they should get better blocking from the position.  But, again, to win against Michigan you have to be able to at least threaten downfield, against what has been an underperforming secondary, relative to the rest of the defense.  Michigan State will probably punch, 2002 aside they always do in this game, but I'm seeing a game much like last year, where the Wolverines win by a couple scores, but it doesn't even feel that close.
MICHIGAN 30, MICHIGAN STATE 17

Title: Re: Michigan State (4-5, 2-4) at #14 Michigan (7-2, 4-2) Game Week
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 14, 2019, 05:51:57 PM
Depends which Shea P shows up, imo.
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-5, 2-4) at #14 Michigan (7-2, 4-2) Game Week
Post by: TyphonInc on November 14, 2019, 11:52:28 PM
Liking the Fox Promo for this game "little Brother"
Title: Re: Michigan State (2-5, 4-6) at #14 Michigan (5-2, 8-2) Post Game
Post by: ELA on November 16, 2019, 04:27:45 PM
Please, just stop it

https://twitter.com/chrissolari/status/1195809842419494912?s=19
Title: Re: Michigan State (2-5, 4-6) at #14 Michigan (5-2, 8-2) Post Game
Post by: Mdot21 on November 17, 2019, 07:56:18 PM
well, could be all the 'roids.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/news-blog/nfl-players-who-use-steroids-have-m-2009-02-20/
Title: Re: Michigan State (2-5, 4-6) at #14 Michigan (5-2, 8-2) Post Game
Post by: ELA on November 23, 2019, 10:54:16 AM
#notarival

https://twitter.com/jimsheadset/status/1197713580273143813?s=19