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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: medinabuckeye1 on November 08, 2019, 08:26:55 AM
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https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2019/11/108587/ohio-state-defensive-end-chase-young-suspended-for-ncaa-violation-and-will-not-play-against-maryland-per-report?fbclid=IwAR2kARNdFJlY_wnhknNR_69WLUBI5ipaek3_lC5xdCH7KrMGl2hPrqJJOko (https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2019/11/108587/ohio-state-defensive-end-chase-young-suspended-for-ncaa-violation-and-will-not-play-against-maryland-per-report?fbclid=IwAR2kARNdFJlY_wnhknNR_69WLUBI5ipaek3_lC5xdCH7KrMGl2hPrqJJOko)
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Whoot
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Oh my...
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One game too late, dammit.
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Update
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That strikes me as a bit ticky tack. He repaid it. A one game suspension should be sufficient IMHO.
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That strikes me as a bit ticky tack. He repaid it. A one game suspension should be sufficient IMHO.
There is a rule regarding payback and avoiding suspension if its under a certain amount. Two years ago it came out that Miles Bridges' parents had dinner with a family friend who was also a corrupt agent. I think Bridges had to pay back the cost of the meal and then he was maybe suspended one game? Maybe not at all? I don't remember, but I do recall the threshold being pretty low, like under $200.
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https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/1192827170181263360
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https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/1192827170181263360
That works.
Suspended for UMD and RU, back for PSU and TTUN.
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That strikes me as a bit ticky tack. He repaid it. A one game suspension should be sufficient IMHO.
Ya Ha-Ha Clinton Dix got 2 games for something similiar a few years back.Have to wait and see how things shake out.If it is flagrant ya got to run him,not sure if this had already looked into.Kind of a nut punch to respectability though,if it was a loan,that's one thing,anything egregious - good luck in the NFL,next man up
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That works.
Suspended for UMD and RU, back for PSU and TTUN.
It still has major consequences for him personally. He had a legitimate chance to be the first defensive player in more than 20 years and second ever to win the Heisman, not anymore.
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It still has major consequences for him personally. He had a legitimate chance to be the first defensive player in more than 20 years and second ever to win the Heisman, not anymore.
Ya but that ship sailed on the character part that the award was suppose to embody when they gave it to Cam Newton,Johnny Manziel,Jameis Winston,Baker Mayfield - all with skeletons/issues
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Ya but that ship sailed on the character part that the award was suppose to embody when they gave it to Cam Newton,Johnny Manziel,Jameis Winston,Baker Mayfield - all with skeletons/issues
I don't think it's the character thing as how high the performance bar is for a defensive player, and now he's likely missing at least 2 games.
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I don't think it's the character thing as how high the performance bar is for a defensive player, and now he's likely missing at least 2 games.
Exactly.
At a minimum I think he would have needed to set the single season sack record and he can't realistically do that without the UMD and RU games.
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Probably knew about this game 1.
Kept it under wraps until a good time to rest him for tougher competition.
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Probably knew about this game 1.
Kept it under wraps until a good time to rest him for tougher competition.
Their first two games were at home against FAU and Cincinnati, both blow out wins as expected. Then at Indiana and Miami(OH), blow out wins.
I think they would have kept him out of two up front if they had the chance to do so.
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the win vs Nebraska should obviously be vacated
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Their first two games were at home against FAU and Cincinnati, both blow out wins as expected. Then at Indiana and Miami(OH), blow out wins.
I think they would have kept him out of two up front if they had the chance to do so.
Are you saying you don't believe they knew about this since last year, and even though they knew what kind of punishment COULD be handed out, decided to roll with the punches in hopes it could be swept under the rug?
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I have no idea what anyone knew. I merely note that it is illogical they knew about it preseason and decided not to suspend him for the first two games and just wait.
That obviously would be illogical and very high risk. If they knew about it preseason, they could have suspended him THEN at NO COST and gotten it done. Waiting could mean they had to suspend him with key games looming.
But, I tend not to be paranoid and suspicious and don't think the refs are against me and everyone is out to get me.
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But, I tend not to be paranoid and suspicious and don't think the refs are against me and everyone is out to get me.
What does that have to do with anything?
Some rambling issues?
Refs have NEVER been involved in rigging games, and I can assure you, I don't care if anyone is "out to get me", whatever that means, and I'm not paranoid about things.
You're in the wrong room for that.
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Are you saying you don't believe they knew about this since last year, and even though they knew what kind of punishment COULD be handed out, decided to roll with the punches in hopes it could be swept under the rug?
The only way this would make any sense is if they swept it under the rug thinking "well, let's just hope nobody ever finds out" and that suddenly someone started opening their mouth about this NOW.
But who would both simultaneously know about this loan and be in a position to want to disclose this loan right now? It would be unlikely Chase Young would be going and bragging about how took a small loan because he had no money, nor would the family friend who gave him the loan want to start blabbing all over town, and get him in trouble.
So it would have to be someone external with an ax to grind, but why would that person even know about the loan? And if they DID know about the loan, why would they start talking about it now instead of CLOSER to the PSU/OSU/B1GCCG timeframe so their damage could be most impactful?
I'm not going to say that I believe the folks in the OSU athletic department are saints. But to assume that this is a conspiracy theory where they've been sitting on this information and just decided NOW to let it fly, when they absolutely DON'T know how many weeks his suspension will last, doesn't make any sense. It doesn't pass the smell test.
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Some folks are more prone to believe in conspiracy stuff than others, even when the notions are clearly illogical.
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Exactly.
At a minimum I think he would have needed to set the single season sack record and he can't realistically do that without the UMD and RU games.
Does anyone know the current single-season sack record?
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Dumervil or Suggs I'm guessing.
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Some folks are more prone to believe in conspiracy stuff than others, even when the notions are clearly illogical.
And some people are the exact opposite of what they claim to be. Go figure.
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Dumervil or Suggs I'm guessing.
Officially, Arizona State's Terrell Suggs holds the NCAA's single-season record with 24 sacks in 2002.
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And some people are the exact opposite of what they claim to be. Go figure.
Correct some Maryland fans believe they were finacially solvent when they left the Coast for mid western farmlands.Go Figure
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Correct some Maryland fans believe they were finacially solvent when they left the Coast for mid western farmlands.Go Figure
No they didn't.
One of the main reasons UMD left the ACC was because of financial issues.
What Maryland fan said anything different? It was stated in the press conference. If you're referencing me, I must have been drunk.
And it's always amazing how the subjects change and posters are attacked when stating the obvious, ABOUT THE SUBJECT MATTER!
LOL!
What if, and let's just play a little devils advocate here, this "family friend", just happened to be a "sports agent"?
It happened last year. There were talks of infractions last year, no?
You honestly think they knew nothing about it? Really?
Remember where he's from. Think about it. Let it seep in. Got it.....?
Okay. Now, let Mr. Know it All find some reference somewhere that gives some semblance of what he portrays that he knows as fact.
Will be interesting to see if this goes on further without the mention of UMD, paranoia and schizophrenia, referees, Obama and Hillary Clinton, etc etc....
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I'd simply blame Urban Meyer and Zach Smith and move on
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Evidently there is mercury in the crab cakes
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Exactly.
At a minimum I think he would have needed to set the single season sack record and he can't realistically do that without the UMD and RU games.
I wouldn’t count this kid out. He’s the type of player that could throw down 4-5 sacks in a game. He puts down 20-22 sacks with 8 or 9 forced fumbles and has a big impact in both the OSU & UM games, anything is still possible.
i always think OsU is involved in rampant cheating ( ;)), while this I think is very minor.
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Officially, Arizona State's Terrell Suggs holds the NCAA's single-season record with 24 sacks in 2002.
Yep, officially.
Yet on the best college football source - collegefootballreference.com - sacks only go back to 2005, so it's Dumervil's 20 in 2005.
And unofficially, it's Derrick Thomas' 27 in 1988.
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wait, so the "family friend" Chase Young borrowed money from was an NFLPA certified agent according to ProFootballTalk. If that's true, think that might be all she wrote for Chase Young's college career.
Which honestly, might not be a bad thing for him. He's a lock to be the #1 pick in the 2020 draft imo. Really is there anyone even close to him? Cause I don't see who the hell would be a better pick than him. He's proto-type size for the position plus he's got the production that matches. He's got nothing to gain and everything to lose by getting injured.
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It still has major consequences for him personally. He had a legitimate chance to be the first defensive player in more than 20 years and second ever to win the Heisman, not anymore.
he had zero shot to win the Heisman. Let's be real here. No defensive player is going to win it anytime soon.
Gonna have to be a transcendent defensive player with the swagger and "IT" factor who also moonlights on offense and special teams. An every-down defensive player is just never gonna win it. Ever.
If another defensive player wins it, it's going to have to be someone like Woodson that also makes big splash plays on offense and special teams as well as being a dominant player on defense.
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wait, so the "family friend" Chase Young borrowed money from was an NFLPA certified agent according to ProFootballTalk. If that's true, think that might be all she wrote for Chase Young's college career.
Which honestly, might not be a bad thing for him. He's a lock to be the #1 pick in the 2020 draft imo. Really is there anyone even close to him? Cause I don't see who the hell would be a better pick than him. He's proto-type size for the position plus he's got the production that matches. He's got nothing to gain and everything to lose by getting injured.
I agree but I hope he's reinstated,well because Clemson/Bama/LSU.Be awhile getting back.Kid took a loan Ha-Ha Dixon got two games,does Bama self report?Even if he gets 4 games that would take hime thru the Michigan game and ready for the Play Offs
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He's a top ten pick if not top one pick obviously. The Bungles might get #1 and draft a QB from Hawaii with gaudy numbers.
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So will the Buckeyes vacate all the wins they chalked up were Young was on the field when illegible? His contributions have been significant.
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I am not sure there is precedent for that in this case.
https://www.landgrantholyland.com/2019/11/8/20955262/alabama-ha-ha-clinton-dix-kentucky-denzil-ware-ohio-state-chase-young-absence (https://www.landgrantholyland.com/2019/11/8/20955262/alabama-ha-ha-clinton-dix-kentucky-denzil-ware-ohio-state-chase-young-absence)
Gurley was suspended four games for selling signed materials in college. His team did not vacate any wins.
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There is precedent. In 2010 Ohio State players traded memorabilia and autographs for tattoos and cash which Jim Tressel covered up. Since the players were ineligible the NCAA vacated all of the Buckeye's wins for 2010 as part of the sanctions.
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Yes, but no precedent for a single player receiving benefits and vacating wins, while there are examples where wins were not vacated.
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Yeah the OSU punishment previously wasn't at all about what the players did, and primarily about the cover up. At least that's how I remember it.
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The vacated wins thing only punishes stat needs.
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There is precedent. In 2010 Ohio State players traded memorabilia and autographs for tattoos and cash which Jim Tressel covered up. Since the players were ineligible the NCAA vacated all of the Buckeye's wins for 2010 as part of the sanctions.
Why would you even ask that question? Are you aware of some facts that aren’t public?
schools are only punished for playing players they know are ineligible. Is that the case here? There certainly is no information that would indicate that.
The only thing that has been said publicly is that OSU was made aware on the Sunday after their Wisconsin game.
I know from skimming the UM blogs, they feel he should be banned for life from ever playing football, or it is the greatest injustice ever. But that level of delusion usually doesn’t make its way here.
precedent says, if the loan came from an agent, he is done with College. If it was not an agent-and that is what the latest reports have said, it would depend on the amount of the loan, if the person giving it has any connection to the school, and other potential circumstances.
it could be as simple as what he says it is, a family friend, and used to fly his girlfriend to attend the Rose Bowl. that might land somewhere between 2-4 games.
Nobody here knows the facts though. We will just have to see.
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There is precedent. In 2010 Ohio State players traded memorabilia and autographs for tattoos and cash which Jim Tressel covered up. Since the players were ineligible the NCAA vacated all of the Buckeye's wins for 2010 as part of the sanctions.
Apples and oranges.
You hit on the difference in your post by stating "Jim Tressel covered up". THAT was the reason for the NCAA vacating wins.
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There is precedent. In 2010 Ohio State players traded memorabilia and autographs for tattoos and cash which Jim Tressel covered up. Since the players were ineligible the NCAA vacated all of the Buckeye's wins for 2010 as part of the sanctions.
Not reporting and covering it up are two different things.Tressel didn't think much of it,the University IT people actually reported it to Administration,the infractions were not even known to the Kids,probably but Tressel was aware of compliance so it was on him.They were trite no drugs,money handouts,violence or sexual assault.Now I'm not for paying players,but where are they gonna get money if the folks are basically broke.And lets not bullshit ourselves - many are exactly that.Some Programs are a little more forward than others of reporting such.Ya Chase Young is the only kid this year to take finiancial aid - underhanded or not in the whole of Division I Football.Say that out loud and see if you really believe it
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it could be as simple as what he says it is, a family friend, and used to fly his girlfriend to attend the Rose Bowl. that might land somewhere between 2-4 games.
Nobody here knows the facts though. We will just have to see.
My wife and I know the girlfriend and her family well. My wife was her coach once upon a time. I would be absolutely shocked if this is why the money was loaned. They aren’t exactly hurting so if that’s the reason, it would be an even poorer decision made.
that being said, by all accounts he’s a really good guy on top of being the best player in the nation so it sucks for everyone that likes football and seeing good people have success.
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He's a top ten pick if not top one pick obviously. The Bungles might get #1 and draft a QB from Hawaii with gaudy numbers.
I will be floored if he's not the #1 pick. Who is even close to him at this point?
I'm not buying the Tua hype. The NFL execs look for reasons to rip high draft picks apart. They'll find plenty of those reasons with Tua. Chase Young is virtually bulletproof. 6'5", 265 with the athleticism and production to match a #1 overall pick. They look for sure things when they draft #1 overall picks. There isn't a more "sure thing" in this coming draft than Chase Young. He's a plug-n-play 10-year starter who will make multiple Pro Bowls at minimum as long as he's healthy.
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Evidently there is mercury in the crab cakes
Hi....
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I will be floored if he's not the #1 pick. Who is even close to him at this point?
I'm not buying the Tua hype. The NFL execs look for reasons to rip high draft picks apart. They'll find plenty of those reasons with Tua.
Whoever really wants a QB at all costs will be willing to take Joe Burrow ahead of Chase Young, but I agree with you about the Tua (over)hype. Injuries are mounting to his ankles and, even more suspect, how much of Tua’s success comes down to playing QB under perfect conditions?? Tua’s OL keeps him from harms way, the running game is there whenever he needs it, and all of his receivers catch anything remotely near them. None of that translates to the NFL environment.
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https://twitter.com/10TV/status/1194275609339473920?s=20
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precedent says, if the loan came from an agent, he is done with College. If it was not an agent-and that is what the latest reports have said, it would depend on the amount of the loan, if the person giving it has any connection to the school, and other potential circumstances.
Yeah, I'd agree with that. If it's a family friend who doesn't know all the ins and outs of NCAA rules, and was just trying to help him out, it might be minimal.
If it was an agent, who should absolutely know better, then I think he'd be toast.
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Sucks. I hope that plays out in his favor, he's been the best defensive player so far this year.
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Sounds like Young will be back for Penn State
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Sounds like Young will be back for Penn State
Good. I get rules are rules, but the agent stuff, *eh*. I don't see a competitive balance issue as if he had taken money from a booster.
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according to Ohio State the NCAA has ruled him out for Rutgers, but back for Penn State
https://sports.yahoo.com/ohio-state-star-chase-young-to-miss-one-more-game-return-vs-penn-state-172143072.html
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I'd sure hate to be the Penn St QB, particularly if there is any truth to the James Franklin rumor.
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I'd sure hate to be the Penn St QB, particularly if there is any truth to the James Franklin rumor.
What rumor is that?
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What rumor is that?
That Franklin is the snitch. Honestly if I were Coach Day I'd concoct some story every week about the team they are playing being the snitches.
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Naw it was either Schiano or OAM ;D
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Sounds like Young will be back for Penn State
Of course.
....to fly his girlfriend to the game LAST YEAR.
Of course...how COULD Ohio State possibly known about this at the beginning of the year?
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Of course.
....to fly his girlfriend to the game LAST YEAR.
Of course...how COULD Ohio State possibly known about this at the beginning of the year?
Conspiracy theory eh? You seem to like those.
That slimeball Ryan Day- willing to risk his entire future and his reputation and that of his family so he could have one of his better players play against the dreaded FAU and Miami of Ohio! Knowing full well that if he got caught any wins would be vacated and his career would be over immediately. Yeah....makes sense. 😏
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That Franklin is the snitch. Honestly if I were Coach Day I'd concoct some story every week about the team they are playing being the snitches.
Lol. That’s brilliant, although I’m not sure the kid needs more motivation.
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Lol. That’s brilliant, although I’m not sure the kid needs more motivation.
Didn't hear it myself, but I read somewhere that Day said that neither Maryland or Penn State turned this in.
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it WAS Harbaugh!!!!!
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it WAS Harbaugh!!!!!
This can't possibly be true. He's been too busy concocting the 11 team playoff system so he actually has a chance to make the playoff.
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apparently Jim is not good with math
Michigan is ranked #15 in this week's poll