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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: MaximumSam on November 02, 2019, 06:58:58 AM
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I imagine it will be a slow day around these parts, with all the byes this week. Too bad, it's cold outside, perfect weather to get a long simmering stew on for some good eats later. Though my wife is requesting fried pork chops, so I should probably oblige.
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Mornin' Sam,Chili I made coincided with the cold/wet weather always better a day or two later.Well looking forward to the Ninnies/Goophs contest and the W.L.O.C.P.,not sure what time they butt heads
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Down to 35°F last night, but will be sunny today and very nice. Somebody said something about cocktails and a party on TV, so I'll watch that I guess.
Does anybody here still call a drink a cocktail instead of a mixed drink, or whatever you call it? I don't think the term is oft used in regular parlance.
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Landed in Atlanta two night ago. Drive down to Auburn and this morning waking up to head over to campus for the big tailgating event. Kickoff Vs Ole Miss later this evening.
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I regularly use the word cocktail when talking about drinks
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Interesting, I usually hear "mixed drink" offered, not cocktail, but this could obviously be regional.
I used to see the term "high balls" on some restaurant menus in Cincy, the older neighborhood places.
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gonna be a beautiful sunny 50 degrees here. Perfect fall day. Probably should be looking for my golf ball in the leaves this afternoon
the 11am kick for the Huskers, doesn't give time for golfing
I suppose I could throw in the towel on this season and record the game for later, but I'm having a couple guys over to watch the game.
We will be enjoying cocktails and snacks. Rotel and Velveeta cheese dip, shrimp cocktail with some good horseradish, and beef sticks.
Bloodies to start (horseradish), followed by plenty of beer, finishing with the Japanese Roku gin!
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We do hear "shrimp cocktail" fairly often. And there is fruit cocktail, which I have not had in years.
The wife loves raw oysters, but with mignonette sauce instead of cocktail sauce. She has converted me, I think the regular sauce overwhelms the flavor (which at times might be desirable). I still kid her about seeing that sign for "Fresh Fried Oysters" in South Carolina. That isn't a thing in France.
https://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/mignonette-sauce-15405 (https://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/mignonette-sauce-15405)
One great thing about this country is how we have adopted all sorts of food items from other places, same with wine. In France, a wine shop will be 95% French wines and a few from Italy and Germany. Here we'll have entire sections for different countries and regions.
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Morning. I got Sportscenter on in the background of note...
Desmond still calling people by the wrong name.
Maryland's Throwback Uniform this week is 10x less ugly than their current.
https://www.uniswag.com/blog/maryland-throwback-uniform (https://www.uniswag.com/blog/maryland-throwback-uniform)
UCF's NASA Uniform is all kinds a nerd awesome. Helmet has the light and dark side of the moon. Jersey's has constellations embroidered into it. Pants have the Apollo 11 USA Rocket font.
https://www.uniswag.com/blog/ucf-2019-space-uniforms (https://www.uniswag.com/blog/ucf-2019-space-uniforms)
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Cool NASA uniforms, but weird that UCF is wearing them. Because they happen to be the nearest city of a decent size in Orlando? Can Nebraska wear Mt. Rushmore unis?
I bought a bunch of different meats yesterday, so I'll cook up something or other for the WLOCP. Should be a good game.
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I had to google mignonette sauce
I'm a fan of Oysters on the half shell. Probably because they are rare in this part of the country. I haven't had the opportunity for the mignonette sauce, but I'd love to try it.
from the web...........
By the way, according to him, “mignonette” translates roughly into “cute, small, and tasty”, and that’s exactly what this is.
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If you like the taste of oysters, it's great stuff instead of that gloppy ketchup with horseradish added stuff. If you don't, well, ...
I was told many times the oysters in Brittany were exceptional and unique, but I did not find that to be the case. They are certainly very good and we bought them from an oyster farmer very fresh, and that was great, but they tasted like oysters to me. I do not have the most refined taste buds in the world. I think my sense of smell was degraded by all the chemicals I worked with many of which were organosulfur types that did not smell good at all.
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with a table at dinner at a spot that has fresh oysters I like to get a half dozen of 3 or 4 types from different areas
I can taste the differences and usually can pick a favorite
I also enjoy the fried or baked oysters and love oyster stew. I brew a mean batch of oyster stew each Xmas eve
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Yeah, I can taste subtle differences, but the wife raves about some and poo poos others, while to me they all taste about as good, I rarely have favorites.
Part of this is that I was in the habit of EATING and she was in the habit of DINING. I raised three kids by myself and dinner was a "get'er done" operation.
She raised four kids by herself and somehow managed to DINE.
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obviously, a lady that had a great sense of priority
meals can be much more than feeding time
as you have learned
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Making my first batch of chili this year
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Heh, when my kids left the house, I ate spaghetti Mon-Tue-Wed and then turned it into chili on Thu. I came home and heated it up and made the noodles and that was dinner. At lunch at work, I ate the same thing every day, a kind of Mexican rice bowl that I found to be very good. For breakfast, I had coffee and a breakfast bar thing.
The wife laughs about that, as do I. I made spaghetti Thursday night and offered to heat it up last night if she wanted, she said no. I'm about to turn it into chili.
Back in the day I had a small interest in a local restaurant and every Friday I'd go to a wine tasting and then there for dinner. The GM was educating me about wine, so each Friday he'd pull out a new kind of wine for me to try. It was loads of fun and got me into wine in an expensive way.
That Costco box wine of Napa Cab is quite decent for $13 for 3 L.
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How do you go about turning spaghetti into chili?
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How do you go about turning spaghetti into chili?
I add chili powder, I should say spaghetti sauce of course.
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How do you go about turning spaghetti into chili?
He's from Cincinnati.
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unfortunately, nearest Costco is 90 miles
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I would have made chili for my small watch party, but the weather isn't chilly enough
overnight low of 31
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https://twitter.com/RedditCFB/status/1190615512755167232?s=19
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Made my 10 year old make her own pancakes this morning. She is pleased w results. Family picture day among other things, so Moms in charge of all wardrobe and details.
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We will be enjoying cocktails and snacks. Rotel and Velveeta cheese dip, shrimp cocktail with some good horseradish, and beef sticks.
Bloodies to start (horseradish), followed by plenty of beer, finishing with the Japanese Roku gin!
Good to see you're sticking to a regimented heart healthy diet.......like the rest of us.I even have ground turkey with the ground chuck in my chili
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He's from Cincinnati.
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That is at Blue Ash Chili, my favorite of the bunch. I've seen that thing in real life, it could easily feed about 10 hungry males. Those items on top are fried jalapenoes.
Cincinnati chili is not really chili of course.
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I would have made chili for my small watch party, but the weather isn't chilly enough
overnight low of 31
Hell if it's cold enough to fire up the Blower it's cold enought to put on the chili
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That is at Blue Ash Chili, my favorite of the bunch. I've seen that thing in real life, it could easily feed about 10 hungry males. Those items on top are fried jalapenoes.
Cincinnati chili is not really chili of course.
When I think chili I’m biased towards how Mexicans do their chili. Lots of various hot peppers and actual green and red chilis ground right into the meat. The one time I went to Cincinnati and had their “chili” it’s as good enough a reason for me never to go back to Cincy. Limited spicing and too much plastic-y sour cream. At the Reds game they served Goldstar chili - yuck!
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I lived in Cincy 38 years, more than half my life, but I'm not really "from" there. I'm from here, more or less.
I did not like the winters AT ALL. And the summers were suffocatingly humid as well.
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When I think chili I’m biased towards how Mexicans do their chili. The one time I went to Cincinnati and had their “chili” it’s as good enough a reason for me never to go back to Cincy. Limited spicing and too much plastic-y sour cream. At the Reds game they served Goldstar chili - yuck!
Cincinnati chili should never have sour cream, I've never seen it offered as an option.
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Down to 35°F last night, but will be sunny today and very nice. Somebody said something about cocktails and a party on TV, so I'll watch that I guess.
Does anybody here still call a drink a cocktail instead of a mixed drink, or whatever you call it? I don't think the term is oft used in regular parlance.
How many times have you been to the WLOMDP?
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One great thing about this country is how we have adopted all sorts of food items from other places, same with wine. In France, a wine shop will be 95% French wines and a few from Italy and Germany. Here we'll have entire sections for different countries and regions.
I agree that it is a great thing.
These days, some people claim that that is "stealing."
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I have never been to that game. Should someday I reckon, now that it's fairly close.
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I attended the WLOCP. It is terrific. RRS gets the edge for me, but it's not like a booby prize to go to the WLOCP.
Btw: always use 'cocktail'. A high ball is a glass for some cocktails. I refer to mixers like club, tonic or 7 up but they are part of something else.
I believe the origin of a cocktail assumes a drink w/o ice or mixers.
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Highball is the name for a family of mixed alcoholic drinks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_drink) that are composed of an alcoholic base spirit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distilled_beverage) and a larger proportion of a non-alcoholic mixer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drink_mixer). Well-known examples of highballs include the Seven and Seven (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_and_7), Scotch and soda, (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotch_and_soda_(cocktail)) rum and Coke (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rum_and_Coke), and Caipirinha (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caipirinha). A highball is typically served over ice in a large straight-sided highball glass (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highball_glass) or Collins glass (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collins_glass).
A cocktail is an alcoholic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholic_beverage) mixed drink (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_drink), which is either a combination of spirits (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquor), or one or more spirits mixed with other ingredients such as fruit juice, flavored syrup, or cream. There are various types of cocktails, based on the number and kind of ingredients added. The origins of the cocktail are debated.
A cocktail can contain alcohol, a sugar, and a bitter/citrus. When a mixed drink contains only a distilled spirit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distilled_beverage) and a mixer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drink_mixer), such as soda (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbonated_water) or fruit juice (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_juice), it is a highball (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highball). Many of the International Bartenders Association Official Cocktails (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBA_Official_Cocktail) are highballs. When a mixed drink contains only a distilled spirit and a liqueur (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liqueur), it is a duo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_duo_and_trio_cocktails), and when it adds a mixer, it is a trio (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_duo_and_trio_cocktails). Additional ingredients may be sugar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar), honey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey), milk (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk), cream (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cream), and various herbs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herb).[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocktail#cite_note-2)
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Cool NASA uniforms, but weird that UCF is wearing them. Because they happen to be the nearest city of a decent size in Orlando? Can Nebraska wear Mt. Rushmore unis?
UCF was founded as FTU, with the specific intent of producing graduates to support NASA and the space program.
So it makes sense.
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I add chili powder, I should say spaghetti sauce of course.
So you put beans in your spaghetti sauce?
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Hell if it's cold enough to fire up the Blower it's cold enought to put on the chili
leaf blower?
We ain't got no stinkin snow
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Morning. I got Sportscenter on in the background of note...
Desmond still calling people by the wrong name.
Maryland's Throwback Uniform this week is 10x less ugly than their current.
https://www.uniswag.com/blog/maryland-throwback-uniform (https://www.uniswag.com/blog/maryland-throwback-uniform)
UCF's NASA Uniform is all kinds a nerd awesome. Helmet has the light and dark side of the moon. Jersey's has constellations embroidered into it. Pants have the Apollo 11 USA Rocket font.
https://www.uniswag.com/blog/ucf-2019-space-uniforms (https://www.uniswag.com/blog/ucf-2019-space-uniforms)
I love the Maryland state flag. It's the only state flag based on a coat of arms, and heraldry is something that interests me. And the arms of the "Lords Baltimore" were particularly handsome, with the Calvert and Crossland arms quartered. So, to Maryland, for your state flag, salute!
But it doesn't work at all on a football helmet!
So the throwbacks look pretty good. I think I liked the helmet prior to "Terps" even more. That had a white helmet with black and gold stripes, and a gold block "M" trimmed in black on each side.
UCF's NASA-themed unis are clever, but clever is not always good. And stuff that is cool as hell seen from 10 feet just looks "off" when seen from 100 or 500 feet. The constellation images on the numbers won't show up from a distance, nor will the artwork on the helmets. I do think the artwork--especially the lunar craters--looks cool. Up close. For somebody else's team, not mine. NASA-font "USA?" Meh. When it has to be announced that it is the font from the Saturn V that launched Apollo 11 on the way to the moon, it doesn't work.
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leaf blower?
We ain't got no stinkin snow
But it's cold enough and don't say that too loud you'll wake up Old Man Winter.He' been slumbering for quite some time in these parts.Methinks he's coming out of his corner swining this season
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He's from Cincinnati.
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So, is that Cincinnati chili? I see the spaghetti noodles. I see a little "chili." I see the pile of cheddar cheese. What are those things on top? Chicken-fried mushrooms? Fried okra? Fried carrot slices? Fried brussels sprouts? Fried cauliflower?
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So, is that Cincinnati chili? I see the spaghetti noodles. I see a little "chili." I see the pile of cheddar cheese. What are those things on top? Chicken-fried mushrooms? Fried okra? Fried carrot slices? Fried brussels sprouts? Fried cauliflower?
jalapenos
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As the subject of Cincinnati chili has come up, I need a ruling from the gustatory "experts" on this board.
In December the wife and I are attending a party and the culinary theme is "pasta bar". So there will be multiple types of pastas and multiple sauces. We have to bring two sauces.
My first thought was... "What about Cincinnati chili?" It's unique and I'm sure nobody else will think of that.
Does it fit the bill? Is that a valid "pasta sauce" to bring?
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I would do it for the reasons you cite. It would be unique, not the same old stuff.
Somebody might even like it. Or not. Bring hot sauce.
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So, is that Cincinnati chili? I see the spaghetti noodles. I see a little "chili." I see the pile of cheddar cheese. What are those things on top? Chicken-fried mushrooms? Fried okra? Fried carrot slices? Fried brussels sprouts? Fried cauliflower?
The fried jalapenoes are unique to Blue Ash Chili, they call it a six way. The five way is comprised of:
1. Spaghetti noodles (generally cooked to death)
2. The brownish sauce that is considered to be chili
3. A mound of shredded cheddar cheese on top
4. Diced onion, raw
5. Beans of some sort, the reddish brown kind.\
One can order a "4-way onion" or a "4 way bean". The 6 way adds the jalapenoes. The sauce itself is an eastern Mediterranean concoction that can include chocolate and cinnamon, depending. If you get a 4-way onion and apply a good portion of hot sauce, it is "not bad".
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I would do it for the reasons you cite. It would be unique, not the same old stuff.
Somebody might even like it. Or not. Bring hot sauce.
Any recipe advice? Any good versions online, assuming you don't want to divulge your own family secrets? ;-)
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https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/206953/authentic-cincinnati-chili/ (https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/206953/authentic-cincinnati-chili/)
https://www.culinaryhill.com/cincinnati-chili/ (https://www.culinaryhill.com/cincinnati-chili/)
Secondly, it calls for a combination of spices and ingredients that you might find a bit odd, especially for a savory meat stew: allspice? Clove? Unsweetened chocolate?
Hold on a minute!
And finally, beans aren’t exactly in the chili, but they are served on top of it. Deep dark red kidney beans, or sometimes even the cute little chili beans. But you don’t have to have them, either. That’s up to you.
Best of all, this recipe is perfect for the slo
Meh, I've never made it myself. You can find a lot of versions on line.
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UCF was founded as FTU, with the specific intent of producing graduates to support NASA and the space program.
So it makes sense.
Ah, thank you.
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Fun Cincinnati fact: It is believed that the first Parrot-heads (disciples of Jimmy Buffett music) were in Cincinnati.
(https://i.imgur.com/61E3E8Y.png)
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I have never been to that game. Should someday I reckon, now that it's fairly close.
What in the actual hell???
I've been many times, as I lived in Jacksonville for a while. Everyone should go.
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Adrian Martinez seems to be regressing a la JJ Joe or Zebbie Lethridge.
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Oh pleeeeease let Rutgers hire Butch Jones as HC. His bizarre, blind positivity while getting curb-stopped there would be too funny. Plus, his face is a hue of scarlet half the time from his teams goofing away victories every which-way you can think up.
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Josh Jackson must owe his left guard money
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Watching this game tells me how bad the recruiting was in 16 and 17. There are about 3 guys that look like quality B1G players.
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I made Chili for Beggars night (snow flurries meant cold enough for me.)
For Flavor I add ground Chorizo, Chili Powder, Cumin, Garlic, Paprika, Brown Sugar, Worcestershire, & Pumpkin Pie Spice(!)
(My girls are heat wimps, so I set a bottle of Tabasco on the side for those who need heat to call it Chili.)
Meat I've been using 93/7 ground Turkey mixed with the Chorizo.
I do add beans, Great Northern White, Kidney and Black Beans, along with Tomato Puree, Diced Onion and Green Peppers.
Crock Pot it for 24 hours. I've got no complaints on my Chili / Hearty Bean Soup.
I like it so much I'm having leftovers for Lunch right now.
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Wake-NC State announcer just said a guy in the weight room transformed from DAVID Banner to the Incredible Hulk?
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Crap thought Minny/PSU were Teeing it up today
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Sounds good. A buddy of mine grows his own peppers and sends me chili powder each year, he adds garlic to it. I'm eating some chili at the moment for lunch, made from spaghetti sauce. I prefer to grill the hamburger meat first but didn't as it was frozen left over I found.
I like using diced tomatoes, usually canned Hunt's. It takes a while to cook them down of course.
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Crap thought Minny/PSU were Teeing it up today
I almost started a thread on it yesterday and checked the schedule.
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Crap thought Minny/PSU were Teeing it up today
Nah, the B1G is taking this week off. If I was in charge no more than 4 teams could take any given week off.
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Purdue comes to life in Q2 to take a 14-10 lead against Nebraska going into the half.
Play calling has been fantastic the last few drives. The effort from Doerou, Anderson, Plummer, and Durham shows this team has fight in em.
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How do you turn around to look for a ball as a DB when the WR is holding the defender's shoulder and prevented from turning?
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this afternoon has been lousy, but this was cute
https://twitter.com/CFBONFOX/status/1190689275450286080?s=20 (https://twitter.com/CFBONFOX/status/1190689275450286080?s=20)
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For my pasta sauce/red sauce/Sunday gravy I start with sauteed onion and garlic in olive oil. Add crushed tomatoes (usually Hunts or Delmonte), white sugar, beef and chicken bouillon cubes, tomato paste, red wine, salt, pepper, basil, oregano, parmesan, romano, ground beef and Italian sausage (taken out of the casing).
The crushed tomatoes cook down easy enough.
Never thought to add chili seasonings to eat, I suppose that would be pretty damn good.
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Just made some homemade bread and butter pickles to go along with homemade sloppy joes tonight .
We'll be deep frying onion strings to go along with it.
As you can tell, it's a kids weekend lol...
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Nothing wrong with some homemade sloppy joes!
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Every team should wear the same uniforms they wore when I was 10 years old just for my own personal nostalgia. Thank you, Maryland.
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Every team should wear the same uniforms they wore when I was 10 years old just for my own personal nostalgia. Thank you, Maryland.
How did Badge get your site login info? :57:
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Huskers down in the 4th. Good game
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How did Badge get your site login info? :57:
Haha, yes!
Brand identity is seemingly meaningless.
Purdue used to have one of my favorite uniforms, these are there only alternates that aren't god-awful. Although I was watching Wake Forest vs NC State, and half the time I forget I change to this game, because Purdue is basically just wearing Wake Forest uniforms
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Good looking response for the Huskers. Purdue's turn
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Purdue down 3 and relying now on a walk on QB to try to go 80 yards .
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Haha, yes!
Brand identity is seemingly meaningless.
Purdue used to have one of my favorite uniforms, these are there only alternates that aren't god-awful. Although I was watching Wake Forest vs NC State, and half the time I forget I change to this game, because Purdue is basically just wearing Wake Forest uniforms
This Purdue uniform follows the basic design and color scheme we've used for decades.
I prefer gold helmets to black, but those aren't terrible.
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I also prefer the Brees era outline numbers to these, which appear to extend sideline-to-sideline
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I also prefer the Brees era outline numbers to these, which appear to extend sideline-to-sideline
I love that they're block numbers though. The uniforms before these had italicized numbers, which is just wrong on every level.
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Purdue TD. 31-27. 1:08 to play with one timeout for Nebraska.
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Game over! Purdue wins!
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BTW I hate criticizing refs, especially in a loss. But they were sh!t today.
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Winnable game.
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BTW I hate criticizing refs, especially in a loss. But they were sh!t today.
Absolutely agree.
Great win! Good game.
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I am hearing more complaints about refs this year than usual, and I have seen bad calls in abundance.
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That was Amazing. Go Hokies!
EDIT: If peeps aren't watching the Doomers Versus Hookies. ND had 3rd an goal from the 2, 20 seconds left in the half, trying to go up 21-7. Instead fumble, VT runs it back 98 yards to tie the score up at Half.
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Totally a dropped pass, review from the booth, makes it a catch. Georgia vs. Florida
2 plays later TD Bulldogs.
I think I'm rooting Georgia over Florida, but I don't want the game to be Georgia + Refs over Florida...
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Just saw a commercial for Natural Light Seltzer.
I officially don't want to live on this planet any longer.
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Just saw a commercial for Natural Light Seltzer.
I officially don't want to live on this planet any longer.
Yeah, same here. It sounds horrible.
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They call it innovation, I call it desperation.
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For when Smirnoff Ice and Mike's Hard Lemonade are too pricey?!?? ~???
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VT vs. ND the Refs are incorrectly flagging each play. Making this game a yuck fest.
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This is how bad our run-blocking is: we can't even get 3 yards on a 3rd & 34 draw play.
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ND escapes
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The Fromminator
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The Illini have a winning record and are one win away from a bowl
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Glad to be wrong.
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Northwestern is hella bad.
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At this point I'm not sure Purdue will beat Northwestern, and I know we're screwed against Wisconsin.
So all I care about this season from this point in is one thing: beat IU.
That's reasonable, right?
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The Bearcats have their hands full with ECU.
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USC off to a good start vs the Ducks
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Purdue down 3 and relying now on a walk on QB to try to go 80 yards .
Husker defense is terrible
obviously
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Disappointing and very puzzling that the Huskers are worse in year 2 of Frost
alarming actually
I think I'll watch volleyball
corngrats to the Boilers! better execution today
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USC off to a good start vs the Ducks
Oof. Since this post it's 42-7 Oregon.
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Bearcats win with a walk off FG.
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Oof. Since this post it's 42-7 Oregon.
I don't feel the least bit bad for jinxing them.
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San Jose is up 14-0 on Boise.
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Disappointing and very puzzling that the Huskers are worse in year 2 of Frost
alarming actually
I am not sure about this one. I think the 2018 and 19 Huskers are similar. The 2019 Huskers already have 4-wins, and 3-games to go. The 2018 Huskers had 4-wins with 0-games to go.
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I see a lot of wheel spinning and there's no debating it, Adrian Martinez has regressed. Players did not make plays today when they had opportunity today. The roster just isn't very good, we all know there's no depth. No need to dive into it on this page.
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Bearcats win with a walk off FG.
AS noted, OSU likely won't need this UC win, but it's there. 49-0, wasn't it? Over a ranked team?
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Greetings from Punta Gorda. Looked at a number of houses yesterday. Probably gonna own one by the time I leave here next Sunday.
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Also, Oregon-USC featured 20 accepted penalties, 249 yards, and 3 ejections.
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Disappointing and very puzzling that the Huskers are worse in year 2 of Frost
alarming actually
Appears to be a case of Arrested Development if you will.New networks of recruiting being established while trying to tap back into old ones.I don't think the guy has forgotten how to coach.An old railbird lament "If you don't have the horses,ya can't win the race".It could take a few years longer to get the 'Skers name back in the Marquee lights so at least some of the blue chippers notice.Until then find the best S & G coaches that you can.Sad for you but happy for the Purdue guys - based on last year I shouldn't be
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Greetings from Punta Gorda. Looked at a number of houses yesterday. Probably gonna own one by the time I leave here next Sunday.
Nice area Badge. I am pretty much straight across on opposite coast.
Do you view view this as a second home or more like eventual permanent res?
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Nice area Badge. I am pretty much straight across on opposite coast.
Do you view view this as a second home or more like eventual permanent res?
We'll live here for 7 months and then live on the boat in Kenosha for the other 5 months.
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Appears to be a case of Arrested Development if you will.New networks of recruiting being established while trying to tap back into old ones.I don't think the guy has forgotten how to coach.An old railbird lament "If you don't have the horses,ya can't win the race".It could take a few years longer to get the 'Skers name back in the Marquee lights so at least some of the blue chippers notice.Until then find the best S & G coaches that you can.Sad for you but happy for the Purdue guys - based on last year I shouldn't be
I don't think the staff has forgotten how to coach, but it seems execution has not progressed from last season.
As far as horses, with some impressive frosh playing this season and another year in the S&C program, there hasn't been an improvement there either. The roster is stronger and in better condition, but lack of execution and technique cancel the gain.
year 2 is usually a noticeable gain in performance on the field. This season has not shown that. A tall.
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It will take a full five year recruiting cycle in order to get the Mike Reilly stink off of the program, after which they should consider themselves fortunate if they are somehow able bounce back to where they were annually under Pelini.
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We'll live here for 7 months and then live on the boat in Kenosha for the other 5 months.
So you'll need a house-sitter in FL for 5 months a year. Where do I send my resume?
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It will take a full five year recruiting cycle in order to get the Mike Reilly stink off of the program, after which they should consider themselves fortunate if they are somehow able bounce back to where they were annually under Pelini.
I agree
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We'll live here for 7 months and then live on the boat in Kenosha for the other 5 months.
That’s perfect. It’s nice down here for 6-7 months. Then it’s too damn humid.
I hope to follow suit in a few years.
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Nother successful tailgate trip to SEC Country. Auburn rolled up over 500 yards of offense but still couldn’t put away a bad Ole Miss team until the final tick. 20-14 win to go 7-2 with tough home games Vs Georgia and Alabama left.
Lots of BBQ and Chili. Too much to not need a detox diet starting tomorrow. Weather about 40F at kickoff. My Auburn family host always introduces me as “the friend visiting from California” and the welcoming Auburn fans worry whether the tailgating and stadium experience and sneaking bourbon into the game will be too foreign for me. But then I start talking about college football like we do on here and everybody is put at ease.
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Illinois’ successe means they are out for this off-season of adding an option candidate. Vandy is still in play.
With that in mind, would Illini fans take back the Ron Zook era? Not the man himself because he’s too old, but his last year‘s involved three bowl trips and five seasons, with a pretty stupendous defense the last year. They have pulled one since, and that was quickly followed by a coach getting fired for Miss and players.
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Willie Taggart fired at FSU
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The clock surely has to be close to running out on Clay Helton at USC and Chad Morris at Arkansas.
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According to the internets, Meyer has already coached at USC for a few days now....
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According to the internets, Meyer has already coached at USC for a few days now....
Not if FSU gets him first
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Will PJ Fleck row his boat to Tallahassee?
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Willie Taggart fired at FSU
Crazy thought - trying to horn in on USC's preemptive strike to sign Urbz.Wouldn't shock me or just time to get rid of an over hyped HC.
Edit:Evidently not so crazy by the responses
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Neither USC or FSU will pursue Meyer. He is stained because he is a wife beater, or so the story goes. Plus, I don’t think he could like anything more than his current gigs.
USC will go after Franklin.
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I'm glad FSU is a dumpster fire and all, but no HC should be fired during his 2nd season, unless there were off-field things to cause it. Solely on-field results should be given 3 years minimum.
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Agree with that.
I can't help but notice in the AP poll:
The top two undefeated teams are from the same conference.
The top one loss team is from that conference.
The top two loss team is ..... from that same conference.
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Being the best 1-loss team is a lot better than being the best 2-loss team.
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Wake-NC State announcer just said a guy in the weight room transformed from DAVID Banner to the Incredible Hulk?
The TV "Hulk" starring Lou Ferrigno had the alter ego of DAVID Banner.
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Thanks to Sam and CD for the info on the jalapenos atoop the Cincinnati chili.
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Willie Taggart fired at FSU
$ 17 million Buy out!!!Don't cry for me Tallahassee
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The fried jalapenoes are unique to Blue Ash Chili, they call it a six way. The five way is comprised of:
1. Spaghetti noodles (generally cooked to death)
2. The brownish sauce that is considered to be chili
3. A mound of shredded cheddar cheese on top
4. Diced onion, raw
5. Beans of some sort, the reddish brown kind.\
One can order a "4-way onion" or a "4 way bean". The 6 way adds the jalapenoes. The sauce itself is an eastern Mediterranean concoction that can include chocolate and cinnamon, depending. If you get a 4-way onion and apply a good portion of hot sauce, it is "not bad".
According to wiki:
Many home recipes call for a small amount of dark unsweetened chocolate, (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati_chili#cite_note-joy-18) but according to Dann Woellert, author of The Authentic History of Cincinnati Chili, "There is no chili parlor in Cincinnati that uses chocolate in its chili."
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Chocolate is expensive, so I'd imagine they left it out decades ago. They can use other ingredients to simulate whatever flavor it might have conferred at low levels.
Obviously, various recipes call for it, I have no clue what might have been used originally. It's interesting how this "chili" took over one small region to such an extent and never spread elsewhere to any extent.
I get a bit of a hankering for it once a month, but I lie down and it passes. The other Cincinnati "tradition" of course is "sliders", White Castle, emulated down here by another chain (that isn't doing do well, I can't even recall the name now).
Then there is Waffle House which did originate down here and has spread rather widely and attracted copycats also.
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Good piece on Waffle House management style in WSJ over the weekend. Paywall otherwise I'd link.
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Will PJ Fleck row his boat to Tallahassee?
A place like FSU will not allow him to put ROW and oars all over the place. No chance.
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The other Cincinnati "tradition" of course is "sliders", White Castle, emulated down here by another chain (that isn't doing do well, I can't even recall the name now).
Then there is Waffle House which did originate down here and has spread rather widely and attracted copycats also.
When you say down here do you mean the Atl or Cinci?Anyway they should have called that Slumgolian or sumsuch almost seams like a clean the fridge out recipe.....oh,add this too.Even I wouldn't recognize it as Chili - not having beans and all.
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It's interesting how this "chili" took over one small region to such an extent and never spread elsewhere to any extent.
Skyline has a pretty substantial foothold in Columbus, Indianapolis and Louisville with over half a dozen locations in each market. They also have one offs as far flung as Cleveland, Lexington and South Bend. So that's a fairly substantial footprint beyond the Cincy tri-state region.
Gold Star is the other mega chain, contained entirely in the Cincy-Dayton area.
Then there is Dixie Chili, which is only found in Cincy's Kentucky suburbs.
Oh, and "Krystal" is the SE's White Castle, iirc. Hard to imagine a worse burger than White Castle, but a knock off chain thereof would certainly qualify as a strong contender.
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A place like FSU will not allow him to put ROW and oars all over the place. No chance.
Shoot if he offers to pay for it they'd probably let him put up all kinds of stuff. They are still trying to raise funds for a football facility which kicked off with a million dollar donation from...Willie Taggart.
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well, Willie can afford it after the buyout!
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Yeah, Krystal, kind of a poor McDonalds that isn't cheaper.
Waffle House started in Atlanta. They are interesting anyway.
The Varsity is in Atlanta and Athens, and not really good, but is interesting.
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Minnesota is definitely the top school that will let you put an oar on your helmet.
Any job even slightly better than that would say no way.
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desperation will cause crazy things
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Oh, and "Krystal" is the SE's White Castle, iirc. Hard to imagine a worse burger than White Castle, but a knock off chain thereof would certainly qualify as a strong contender.
Krystal and White Castle aren't "burgers" in any sense of comparison to other fast food burger joints.
I'm not sure what you'd classify those little pucks of grease, of course, if you don't call them a burger. But they're a unique food item all unto themselves, not a "burger".
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I've never been able to take more than one bite out of a White Castle slider.
Tried once as a kid, took a nibble, spit it out and refused to eat another morsel.
Tried again as an adult, with a beer buzz, and still spat out the initial bite, and refused to go any further.
They are like miniature versions of the "Barth Burgers" from You Can't Do That on Television.
(https://iwatchstuff.com/2009/07/24/les-lye-barth.jpg)
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Krystal is different from WC in that they do serve "regular burgers" now. They aren't anything special at all though.
There is zero reason to dine there.
Waffle House is "interesting", scattered, smothered, diced, sliced ...
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Waffle House is the only eatery within walking distance for me, if my wheels are unavailable for whatever reason.
For a while the W was burnt out on their sign, and it saif "Affle House" which was poetic.
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We had a bad ice storm when I was a kid. Our subdivision was shut down with downed pine trees for 6 days, not electricity. We walked to the Waffle House for every meal.
A neighbor lost 120 pine trees in that storm. It looked like a war zone. I was awake all night listening to trees snap from the ice load. They made a horrific noise.
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Waffle House is the only eatery within walking distance for me, if my wheels are unavailable for whatever reason.
For a while the W was burnt out on their sign, and it saif "Affle House" which was poetic.
Too bad the "aff" didn't also burn out. Then it would have been a fancy french ristorante: Le House!
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Yeah, Krystal is bogus. 80% bread with a grey meat square in the middle. People eat 5-6-10 of them. They'd actually be good for 3rd-world countries - just a bunch of calories.
Decent fries, though. Crinkle-cut is my jam (not that I've had a fry in over 4 months now...)
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White Castle is terrible. When folks told me Krystal was a knock-off, I knew I needn't bother trying it.
In other news, the Formula 1 US Grand Prix was a lot of fun, as always.
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It's actually fairly easy to make your own sliders. Dice an onion and put in skillet. Then put patties over the onions and cover so they steam in the onion juice. Once they are close to done put the buns on top and cover again to steam the buns. One skillet sliders.
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Sounds like you have that down - nothing wrong with that I'd eat'em
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That's why FEMA uses Waffle House to scale a disaster.
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There's a White Castle right on the strip in Vegas. On a Vegas visit, I took the wife there for a snack to experience its glory, because being a native Californian she'd never had the pleasure...
She was not impressed. Which is another way of saying she was thoroughly disgusted. But now she knows what she's missing lol...
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White Castle is opening their first shop in AZ soon - Scottsdale, of all places.
There's a "Chicago Hamburger Co" near my friend's house that I haven't tried - serving sliders. I'll go out on a limb and say it'll be better than WC.
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White Castle is terrible. When folks told me Krystal was a knock-off, I knew I needn't bother trying it.
In other news, the Formula 1 US Grand Prix was a lot of fun, as always.
The first time I had them was a road trip to Bloomington. I didn’t expect to be impressed, and yet was so disappointed.
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Sometimes, especially ages 15- until death a White castle cheeseburger just hits the spot. Of course it is a low brow burger, but w the onions and dusseldorf mustard. Damn tasty at times.
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Yeah, we all crave something that isn't GOOD, but every so often, it's what we want. Like every 3-4 months, I just want a diet coke. It's not good, but I want it...then I'm good for another 3-4 months.
Other food items I get that craving for months in-between:
a Big Mac
hot dogs (usually in the summer)
grapefruit juice
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Yeah, we all crave something that isn't GOOD, but every so often, it's what we want. Like every 3-4 months, I just want a diet coke. It's not good, but I want it...then I'm good for another 3-4 months.
Other food items I get that craving for months in-between:
a Big Mac
hot dogs (usually in the summer)
grapefruit juice
There have been many a bitterly cold January evening where all I wanted was ice cream.
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WTH is not good about grapefruit juice?
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I also get a hankering for some fast food item once every 3-4-5 months. I usually lie down and take a nap instead.
A lot of haute cuisine is not really good for you of course. The French don't seem to like the letter "h".
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Grapefruit juice is quite good when mixed with some Tito's. Folks used to call this a "Greyhound" but these days if you try to order that, it might get you quizzical looks from your millennial bartender...
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The wife loves caipiroskas. We have taught several bartenders here what they are. They all are happy to learn a new drink that is pretty easy to make.
The bad part is one can get hammered on them because they are very tasty. If you don't know, it's basically fresh lime juice, sugar, and vodka.
https://www.bonappetit.com/recipe/caipiroska (https://www.bonappetit.com/recipe/caipiroska)
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Yeah, it's a take on the Brazilian original Caipirinha which is the drink above, but with cachaca instead of vodka. And cachaca is basically Brazil's version of rum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caipirinh (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caipirinha)c
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The cachaca I've had is oily, as if it's not well distilled.
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The cachaca I've had is oily, as if it's not well distilled.
Hmmm, you should try Leblon. It's very clean.
(https://cdn.caskers.com/catalog/product/cache/207e23213cf636ccdef205098cf3c8a3/l/e/leblon-cachaca-1.jpg)
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Had that once, didn't like it. I think Tito's is clean, I'm happy with it, at much lower cost than the French stuff the wife likes.
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White Castle is opening their first shop in AZ soon - Scottsdale, of all places.
There's a "Chicago Hamburger Co" near my friend's house that I haven't tried - serving sliders. I'll go out on a limb and say it'll be better than WC.
Opened Oct 23rd, they ran out of hamburgers and had to close at 2am that day to restock. Thought about going that Friday because my football game was right around the corner from it but it was too crowded. This Friday's game is near it so I may try again. Probably a good thing it is not near me in Chandler. I love White Castles.
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Had that once, didn't like it. I think Tito's is clean, I'm happy with it, at much lower cost than the French stuff the wife likes.
Well, rum certainly isn't going to taste like vodka, not much comparison there. But you should absolutely drink what you enjoy.
In general I don't like rum drinks, way too sugary, and anything with sugar deliberately added I can only take in small doses so both caiprinha and caipiroska are not normally in my rotation.
Only sugary drink I'll have regularly is a gin and tonic. But that's medicinal so it's aok!
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I do try and avoid sugar in my diet to the extent possible, but I like G&Ts as well.
The fructose thing has some fairly definitive bases to avoid the stuff.
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Seems like all the mainstream tonic waters use some kind of HFCS for sweetening (unless you're talking the diet versions which use artifical sweeteners, but those taste gross to me). Consequently I've switched to the more expensive tonic waters just to get the cane sugar instead.
Fever Tree is what we normally have around the house, but only the straight version, none of the flavored ones. If I want the taste of elderflower I'll add it with St. Germain, not the tonic itself.
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I like a few drops of lime juice with my vodka, I'd just leave out the sugar
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I also get a hankering for some fast food item once every 3-4-5 months. I usually lie down and take a nap instead.
I rarely eat fast food. But my wife and I do have a tradition on road trips. McDonald's breakfast is known to us as "road trip food". I don't think she'd eat a McGriddles any other time, but looks forward to it on road trips.
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don't remember the last time I had fast food, but I'm sure it was on a road trip and the person I was traveling with talked me into it.
won't happen again, I hope
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We'll get Burger King when driving to see my family, because Ohio Turnpike, and small kids. That's it though. I can't remember the last time I had it otherwise. I used to crave it, but would resist, but I honestly don't even anymore. If I'm going to trash my body with bad food, it's cheap Chinese or chain pizza over fast food.
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I used to grab "happy meals" at the drive thru and habd them into the backseat for my daughters when they were young. I didn't order anything for myself. I would clean up the leftovers if needed.
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Yup we do McDonald's on road trips. The kids also like Chic fil A nuggets so I'll grab those maybe once per month. Other than that, very little fast food for us.
About once every 6 months I'll admit I do crave a Whataburger. And sometimes I give in.
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Yup we do McDonald's on road trips. The kids also like Chic fil A nuggets so I'll grab those maybe once per month. Other than that, very little fast food for us.
About once every 6 months I'll admit I do crave a Whataburger. And sometimes I give in.
After going to Texas in September and having both my first In and Out and my first Whattaburger, I don't get the hype over Whattaburger at all. In and Out? I'm glad we don't have those around.
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We had lunch at a new place nearby called "Farmburger". It's in the basement of a Whole Foods. It was quite good, and they have solid beer selection.
https://farmburger.com/midtown-atlanta-ga/ (https://farmburger.com/midtown-atlanta-ga/)
Service was excellent, and that matters.
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The main problem I learned about computer polls is that you cannot "know" the "right answer". I don't see any way to validate a computer poll. What does it predict? If it's early in the season, you don't have enough data. If it's late, you have only a few weeks to predict and often the games are close to sure things anyway.
Maybe over years you could test your computer poll in say week 11 against some final poll, but the bowl game results tend to shake up rankings, and do you use the AP poll as your final "right answer"?
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I definitely think In n Out is worth their hype. among the better burgers you can buy from a fast food joint for sure. That said their french fries are very meh. I like Whataburger just fine myself but Texans are strangely biased towards them, I don't get it. Simply comparing burger to burger they don't even come close to In n Out, however I'll definitely give Whataburger the credit for having superior fries and a much more diverse menu (breakfast and chicken items).
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And I know it's not good but all admit to liking white castle. I'm actually excited about the one that opened up in Scottsdale but since I hate crowds more than I like White Castle I'm going to wait until the hype settles down however long that takes.
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We had lunch at a new place nearby called "Farmburger". It's in the basement of a Whole Foods. It was quite good, and they have solid beer selection.
https://farmburger.com/midtown-atlanta-ga/ (https://farmburger.com/midtown-atlanta-ga/)
Service was excellent, and that matters.
I've found that if it's quite good and you can get a solid beer, it's not fast food
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It was counter service, and the food came out fast, faster than I've been served at McD's et al.
I gave them a nice review. It was pretty crowded, another good sign usually.
The Whole Foods upstairs has numerous dining options and a beer bar, where they do not accept tips. We go sometimes and get whatever we want, sushi, from their buffet, a rice bowl, just about anything, and have a $4-5 beer at the bar. It's the largest WF in the SE we're told, it is massive. And parking is free.
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Fever Tree is good. I like Q tonic the best.
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I definitely think In n Out is worth their hype. among the better burgers you can buy from a fast food joint for sure. That said their french fries are very meh. I like Whataburger just fine myself but Texans are strangely biased towards them, I don't get it. Simply comparing burger to burger they don't even come close to In n Out, however I'll definitely give Whataburger the credit for having superior fries and a much more diverse menu (breakfast and chicken items).
Completely disagree. In n Out is a thin, tasteless burger patty and they don't even have jalapenos. Everyone tells me that I will only understand it if I order it animal style. Are you kidding me? Salad dressing all over my burger? That's disgusting. In short, you are wrong, sir!
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And I know it's not good but all admit to liking white castle. I'm actually excited about the one that opened up in Scottsdale but since I hate crowds more than I like White Castle I'm going to wait until the hype settles down however long that takes.
This tells me all I need to know about your opinion of In n Out vs. Whataburger.
Good day, sir!
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This tells me all I need to know about your opinion of In n Out vs. Whataburger.
Good day, sir!
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Fever Tree is good. I like Q tonic the best.
Cool thanks for the recommendation. My i s c & a aggie wife tends to do the tonic shopping so I'll let her know. I'm certainly happy to try it out!
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Fever Tree is $6 for 4 small bottles around here. I tried it, did not think it was better than Schwepps or whatever. But my taste buds are kind of eroded.
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Fever Tree is $6 for 4 small bottles around here. I tried it, did not think it was better than Schwepps or whatever. But my taste buds are kind of eroded.
Yeah it's expensive. But it uses cane sugar instead of HFCS, which is what Schwepps and Canada Dry use, so there's that.
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I don't find there to be any taste difference between standard HCFC and table sugar. Folks would rave about "Mexican Coke" but it tasted like regular Coke to me, I'd just never had it in white powder form before.
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Sounds like the Fleckman signed an extension
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I've never tried the white powdered kind, but I can definitely tell the difference between Mexican Coca Cola (cane sugar) and American Coca Cola (HFCS). Real sugar tastes better IMO.
But, I know people who actually prefer the flavor of diet drinks with aspartame or whatever, so there's no accounting for taste.
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Completely disagree. In n Out is a thin, tasteless burger patty and they don't even have jalapenos. Everyone tells me that I will only understand it if I order it animal style. Are you kidding me? Salad dressing all over my burger? That's disgusting. In short, you are wrong, sir!
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Boo, sir! Boo!
I gave my defense of In & Out previously, and I won't repeat it. You can go and be educated there: https://www.cfb51.com/big-ten/last-breaths-of-a-dying-season-soc-10618/msg73423/#msg73423 (https://www.cfb51.com/big-ten/last-breaths-of-a-dying-season-soc-10618/msg73423/#msg73423)
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I have yet to try a burger chain that's new to me and be overly impressed. I think burgers (unless they're made at home) have a certain ceiling and In-n-Out, Culver's, Whataburger, et all are good/not great. I'm not sure how a chain burger joint could be great.
But the thing with In-n-Out (and I assume the new White Castle) is that even if I'm driving by and want a burger, it's packed. It doesn't correlate to the quality of the product. It's hype, for whatever reason. I'd rather have a double stack from Wendy's or a Whopper from BK than wait 20 extra minutes in a drive-thru line.
But if I want a burger I'll actually savor, I make it at home.
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(https://media.giphy.com/media/l2YWqU7ev0l5nfYTC/giphy.gif)
Boo, sir! Boo!
I gave my defense of In & Out previously, and I won't repeat it. You can go and be educated there: https://www.cfb51.com/big-ten/last-breaths-of-a-dying-season-soc-10618/msg73423/#msg73423 (https://www.cfb51.com/big-ten/last-breaths-of-a-dying-season-soc-10618/msg73423/#msg73423)
btw, you and SDF both need to get out of my head, for real. I pictured this in my mind when reading utee's post and routinely echo the Dude's apathetic comeback in his gif.
Creepy!
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Q tonic is $4 for 4 cans or $5 for 4 bottles. You can get a liter size too from time to time. I buy it at Meijer it is usually a buck higher at a liquor store.
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My favorite distillery, Great Lakes distillery makes its own tonic and I mix it 6 parts club soda one part tonic syrup. Good stuff. Not available in Texaco.
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My favorite distillery, Great Lakes distillery makes its own tonic and I mix it 6 parts club soda one part tonic syrup. Good stuff. Not available in Texaco.
The Brewery by that name been crafting 31 yrs - try the Elliot Ness,Edmund Fitzgerald or Oktoberfest
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Yes, the Brewery is terrific. The Ness is amongst my favorite beers w food and love the Fitz Porter.
The Distillery though is in Milwaukee.
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I've found that if it's quite good and you can get a solid beer, it's not fast food
I like my beer warm enough to be liquid.
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Week 10 NCAA Tournament projection
| 20 | | CINCINNATI | | |
| 5 | | CLEMSON | | |
| | NOON - espn2 | | |
| . | | . | |
| | LOUISIANA TECH | | |
| 1 | | OHIO STATE | | |
| | 1:30 - ESPN | | |
| . | | . | |
| 12 | | BAYLOR | | |
| 6 | | GEORGIA | | |
| | 3:00 - ABC | | |
| . | | . | |
| 22 | | BOISE STATE | | |
| 4 | | PENN STATE | | |
| | 4:30 - espn2 | | |
| . | | . | |
| | MIAMI(OHIO) | | |
| 2 | | LSU | | |
| | 6:00 - ESPN | | |
| . | | . | |
| 9 | | OKLAHOMA | | |
| 8 | | UTAH | | |
| | 7:30 - ABC | | |
| . | | . | |
| | APPALACHIAN STATE | | |
| 3 | | ALABAMA | | |
| | 9:00 - espn2 | | |
| . | | . | |
| 10 | | FLORIDA | | |
| 7 | | OREGON | | |
| | 10:30 - ESPN | | |
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In n Out really sucks. If you like that thin burger patty style, there's a local chain in Austin called P. Terry's that actually makes good ones, where the meat has flavor, and you aren't expected to drown it in salad dressing to make it taste bearable. You can also get grilled onions and grilled jalapenos, or grilled green chile, which is all way better than those banana peppers or whatever it is that InO offers up. Those things suck out loud.
But ultimately, it's still all just fast food burgers, and I definitely agree with OAM's sentiment that such food has a definitive ceiling and homemade is way better than fast food. I rarely eat fast food and that's part of the reason, there's just nothing at a fast food place that I can't make at home and do it much, much better. And for burgers at least, it doesn't take considerably longer to do it at home.
That's why, for us, fast food is pretty much just road trip food.
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So, the wife's sciatica is not sciatica if that makes sense. Her hip replacement has deteriorated rather badly apparently, so they operate on the 12th to replace her ball and cone with new and better stuff and clear out what they term "pseudo-tumors" (inflammation around the joint). I may have to cook, wash dishes, wash clothes, and make the bed for a day or two.
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Way to step up there, my friend!
Sorry to hear about the issues, here's hoping they're able to clean out and replace everything to get her up and running again.
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In n Out really sucks. If you like that thin burger patty style, there's a local chain in Austin called P. Terry's that actually makes good ones, where the meat has flavor, and you aren't expected to drown it in salad dressing to make it taste bearable. You can also get grilled onions and grilled jalapenos, or grilled green chile, which is all way better than those banana peppers or whatever it is that InO offers up. Those things suck out loud.
But ultimately, it's still all just fast food burgers, and I definitely agree with OAM's sentiment that such food has a definitive ceiling and homemade is way better than fast food. I rarely eat fast food and that's part of the reason, there's just nothing at a fast food place that I can't make at home and do it much, much better. And for burgers at least, it doesn't take considerably longer to do it at home.
That's why, for us, fast food is pretty much just road trip food.
I dunno I am definitely of the opinion that the best burgers are thin, full of char, on a toasted bun, with some sort of creamy spread, and while I can make that at home the restaurants have a pretty easy time of it.
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Real restaurants make plenty of great burgers.
Fast food restaurants, not so much.
I'm a big fan of a thin diner-style patty that actually has flavor on its own. I can do without the creamy spreads, that's pretty gross, but a little mustard works. I haven't ever had a fast food burger that approaches good diner burgers, and then there's the steak chophouse style thick burgers that are also quite delicious and zero fast food restaurants I can think of really even attempt that style.
But still I can do each and every one of those better at home. It's not difficult at all. But I actually enjoy cooking, other folks don't, and I understand that.
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If they are griddling fresh beef, what is the difference?
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If they are griddling fresh beef, what is the difference?
Lots of differences. Restaurants, especially fast food ones, tend to season down to the lowest common denominator. So their food ends up bland, by design.
Also, quality control. Fast food restaurants are making dozens or scores of burgers at a time. I'm making 4 patties for my family, or maybe 10-12 if we have guests. I'm able to take much more care in forming, seasoning, and cooking those patties, than any restaurant can.
For any home cook that knows what he's doing, it's not difficult at all to make better food than a restaurant can. We've actually discussed this concept quite a bit on this forum over the years (decades).
My brisket is better than Aaron Franklin's-- not because I'm a better cook, but because I'm typically only cooking one or two briskets at a time, I'm selecting the meat myself, I'm doing all the trimming myself, I'm controlling the temperature on a much smaller pit that has fewer hot spots, I'm checking for doneness at more carefully calculated times, I'm pulling it at exactly the right time, I'm letting it rest for the right amount of time, and perhaps most importantly, I'm slicing it for my family and friends' pleasure, with absolutely zero worries about meat costs and yields, so I can easily toss the bits that don't meet my quality standard, while restaurants will often serve them anyway because they have to worry about yield and profit margins.
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Real restaurants make plenty of great burgers.
Fast food restaurants, not so much.
I'm a big fan of a thin diner-style patty that actually has flavor on its own. I can do without the creamy spreads, that's pretty gross, but a little mustard works. I haven't ever had a fast food burger that approaches good diner burgers, and then there's the steak chophouse style thick burgers that are also quite delicious and zero fast food restaurants I can think of really even attempt that style.
Of course they don't attempt that style. Real restaurant burgers are often >$10 [including fries, no drink]. Even fast casual places like Five Guys are much more expensive than In-N-Out. Diners as well, much more expensive than In-N-Out.
While you deride In-N-Out, and you're absolutely wrong on that front, I would note that according to the web site for P Terry's their burgers, despite being in a much lower cost-of-living / rent location than most In-N-Out locations, are even more expensive than In-N-Out. That's surprising.
But while I'm not going to say anything positively or negatively on P Terry's [as I've never been there], this is why I highlight how wrong it is to compare In-N-Out to restaurant burgers, fast casual burgers, or diner burgers. The proper comparison is to a Big Mac, or a Whopper, or a Wendy's burger, i.e. other fast food burgers at a similar price point. In-N-Out mops the floor with all of them.
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I'll add that there are some dishes that I can't/won't make at home, either because they're too difficult or too time consuming or I can't get proper access to the raw ingredients or all three.
Sushi, I don't do at home.
And pho-- I've tried many times to reproduce that broth, and I just can't nail it down.
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Lots of differences. Restaurants, especially fast food ones, tend to season down to the lowest common denominator. So their food ends up bland, by design.
Also, quality control. Fast food restaurants are making dozens or scores of burgers at a time. I'm making 4 patties for my family, or maybe 10-12 if we have guests. I'm able to take much more care in forming, seasoning, and cooking those patties, than any restaurant can.
For any home cook that knows what he's doing, it's not difficult at all to make better food than a restaurant can. We've actually discussed this concept quite a bit on this forum over the years (decades).
I do agree with you that I can make most things better at home than I get at restaurants. It's kind of annoying, actually, when I try to go out for a fancy date with my wife, drop a lot of coin on a fancy dinner, and we both walk away from it realizing we paid WAY too much money for something we could do equally at home.
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Of course they don't attempt that style. Real restaurant burgers are often >$10 [including fries, no drink]. Even fast casual places like Five Guys are much more expensive than In-N-Out. Diners as well, much more expensive than In-N-Out.
While you deride In-N-Out, and you're absolutely wrong on that front, I would note that according to the web site for P Terry's their burgers, despite being in a much lower cost-of-living / rent location than most In-N-Out locations, are even more expensive than In-N-Out. That's surprising.
But while I'm not going to say anything positively or negatively on P Terry's [as I've never been there], this is why I highlight how wrong it is to compare In-N-Out to restaurant burgers, fast casual burgers, or diner burgers. The proper comparison is to a Big Mac, or a Whopper, or a Wendy's burger, i.e. other fast food burgers at a similar price point. In-N-Out mops the floor with all of them.
P Terry's cheeseburger is $2.85. InO is $2.40. I mean, technically you're right, but that's pretty comparable.
As to the rest of your statement, I have no idea what you're talking about? P Terry's is a local Austin chain, and they have a location on Barton Springs and a location on Congress, either of which have rent/cost of living that is probably double anywhere that InO has a location. InOs are typically in strip centers in the burbs around this town, aside from one that's on a seedy section of Airport Blvd, and one that's on The Drag next to UT campus.
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P Terry's cheeseburger is $2.85. InO is $2.40. I mean, technically you're right, but that's pretty comparable.
As to the rest of your statement, I have no idea what you're talking about? P Terry's is a local Austin chain, and they have a location on Barton Springs and a location on Congress, either of which have rent/cost of living that is probably double anywhere that InO has a location. InOs are typically in strip centers in the burbs around this town, aside from one that's on a seedy section of Airport Blvd, and one that's on The Drag next to UT campus.
I think prices have gone up here, actually... It's very close. I think from my look at the P Terry's web site it was about $0.10 more expensive, so it's even closer than you describe.
I think in general EVERYTHING in California is more expensive than pretty much anywhere else I travel. Part of that is due to the cost of land, but also due to all the costs of wages, taxes, etc.
But the point was that trying to compare In-N-Out to other burgers is hard because price point is often forgotten. I'm not trying to compare to P Terry's as I've never eaten it. So I don't know if the differences you highlight are a matter of quality or cooking skill, or if the differences are a matter of taste.
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Lots of differences. Restaurants, especially fast food ones, tend to season down to the lowest common denominator. So their food ends up bland, by design.
Also, quality control. Fast food restaurants are making dozens or scores of burgers at a time. I'm making 4 patties for my family, or maybe 10-12 if we have guests. I'm able to take much more care in forming, seasoning, and cooking those patties, than any restaurant can.
For any home cook that knows what he's doing, it's not difficult at all to make better food than a restaurant can. We've actually discussed this concept quite a bit on this forum over the years (decades).
My brisket is better than Aaron Franklin's-- not because I'm a better cook, but because I'm typically only cooking one or two briskets at a time, I'm selecting the meat myself, I'm doing all the trimming myself, I'm controlling the temperature on a much smaller pit that has fewer hot spots, I'm checking for doneness at more carefully calculated times, I'm pulling it at exactly the right time, I'm letting it rest for the right amount of time, and perhaps most importantly, I'm slicing it for my family and friends' pleasure, with absolutely zero worries about meat costs and yields, so I can easily toss the bits that don't meet my quality standard, while restaurants will often serve them anyway because they have to worry about yield and profit margins.
No I mean between a diner style burger and a freshly griddled burger
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I had always heard about how good In N Out burgers were. So, a few years ago I was in Anaheim for a work conference and my company had In N Out cater an after hours cocktail hour. I was really disappointed. I mean, they were fine and I ate a couple but it wasn’t anything special. Maybe I had just built it up too much in my mind and it wasn’t going to meet that expectation. I don’t remember it being any better than a Dave’s double from Wendy’s (which is a fast food burger I really like).
As an aside, I unapologetically like fast food. I know all the reasons I shouldn’t but I do. I probably eat some type of fast food at least once a week. Don’t judge me.
Also, I typically like restaurant food over what I make at home. I just like going out to eat. My wife and I have never been big bar or nightclub people. When we have a date night we typically go to a local place and have dinner and couple of drinks. We actually prefer sitting at the bar rather than the dining room because the bar kind of overlooks the dining room and we can sit there and people watch and catch whatever sporting event is playing on the TVs over the bar.
Then, we will leave there and go to another local place, sit at the bar there, share a dessert, and have a couple of after dinner drinks. Food is the one of the few things I’m totally ok overpaying for.
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I think prices have gone up here, actually... It's very close. I think from my look at the P Terry's web site it was about $0.10 more expensive, so it's even closer than you describe.
I think in general EVERYTHING in California is more expensive than pretty much anywhere else I travel. Part of that is due to the cost of land, but also due to all the costs of wages, taxes, etc.
But the point was that trying to compare In-N-Out to other burgers is hard because price point is often forgotten. I'm not trying to compare to P Terry's as I've never eaten it. So I don't know if the differences you highlight are a matter of quality or cooking skill, or if the differences are a matter of taste.
Yeah, realize you wouldn't have had the chance to try out P Terry's. But I brought it up because it IS a fast food place, just a local chain instead of a national one, that serves a similar style of burger with a similar value proposition-- inexpensive food made from fresh ingredients. I honestly give props to InO for that, it's definitely a step above your typical McD or BK or whatever. I suspect the main difference isn't quality or cooking skill, but rather a matter of a local chain not needing to blandify their food/customer experience for a national audience. The beef at P Terry's is fresh and really good so it might be a contributor, but not sure how much.
So I'm certainly not trying to compare InO to a real restaurant, and compared to McD's and BK I'd agree it's better. But that's not saying much, because those places are really really really bad.
My preference is definitely for Whataburger, but I'll readily admit that on price it's not comparable, because a cheeseburger at Whataburger is $3.84, a dollar more, or 35% more in percentage.
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I think Culver's has a pretty good fast food burger. I guess they may be more fast casual. Starting at $2.79 for a standard single patty "butterburger".
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I had always heard about how good In N Out burgers were. So, a few years ago I was in Anaheim for a work conference and my company had In N Out cater an after hours cocktail hour. I was really disappointed. I mean, they were fine and I ate a couple but it wasn’t anything special. Maybe I had just built it up too much in my mind and it wasn’t going to meet that expectation. I don’t remember it being any better than a Dave’s double from Wendy’s (which is a fast food burger I really like).
Well, I don't ever think it's fair to judge anything by catering.
There's a big difference between a burger that had been sitting in a warming tray for the last 45 minutes because they had to prep them in bulk for a huge crowd, and a burger freshly cooked and eaten immediately.
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I've never been to an In n Out but I did just try griddling patties in mustard and that made for a tasty burger. BTW, I will stan for thin burgers over thick anytime anywhere. A good burger is about texture.
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No I mean between a diner style burger and a freshly griddled burger
Oh ok. I wasn't trying to make any distinction there so my apologies if I was misleading.
Most diners I've been to do indeed griddle their burgers on a flat top. They're not all necessarily "thin" but they're certainly thinner than steak/chophouse style or those big things at a Chilis or Red Robin or something.
Incidentally, many of my favorite burgers come from Tex-Mex places. Something about the way their flattops get seasoned over time turns out fantastic gringo food. Their bacon and eggs from their gringo breakfasts are tops, too.
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Is In N Out flame broiled? It had a little bit of a Burger Kingy essence when I had it. A lot better than BK, but definitely some form of commonality in the flavor.
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Well, I don't ever think it's fair to judge anything by catering.
There's a big difference between a burger that had been sitting in a warming tray for the last 45 minutes because they had to prep them in bulk for a huge crowd, and a burger freshly cooked and eaten immediately.
That’s a fair point.
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I've never been to an In n Out but I did just try griddling patties in mustard and that made for a tasty burger. BTW, I will stan for thin burgers over thick anytime anywhere. A good burger is about texture.
True, but texture is not only one thing. A flattop burger can have a nice "char" on the outside, but it's also not going to be oozing out unctuous juices the way a nice thick burger does.
Is In N Out flame broiled? It had a little bit of a Burger Kingy essence when I had it. A lot better than BK, but definitely some form of commonality in the flavor.
No... It's cooked on a flattop, not over direct flame.
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My favorite burger is:
Fresh ground beef 80/20 of good quality (The best I ever had was ground filet mignon tailings)
About 1/3 inch thick hand pattied without much pressure
Can be grilled or cooked on cast iron very hot skillet to sear outside
Medium rare (wife likes them rare)
Good quality fresh bun (or not bun)
Condiments and toppings to include sliced Vidalia onion
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True, but texture is not only one thing. A flattop burger can have a nice "char" on the outside, but it's also not going to be oozing out unctuous juices the way a nice thick burger does.
No... It's cooked on a flattop, not over direct flame.
That's why you add a sauce
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Btw if you are grinding your own burgers and seasoning them in advance, I highly recommend fish sauce as a seasoning
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I have a nephew who is a chef in one of the North Dallas suburbs. He's no big fast-food fan, but he occasionally has a fast-food burger. His assessment of Whataburger vs. In and Out is that they are both OK and different from each other. I pressed him on which was better, and he said that neither is objectively better than the other--it just depends on what you like.
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I like Heinz 57 so much I use it to make a sloppy joe. Expensive to do it, but damn good.
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I had always heard about how good In N Out burgers were. So, a few years ago I was in Anaheim for a work conference and my company had In N Out cater an after hours cocktail hour. I was really disappointed. I mean, they were fine and I ate a couple but it wasn’t anything special. Maybe I had just built it up too much in my mind and it wasn’t going to meet that expectation. I don’t remember it being any better than a Dave’s double from Wendy’s (which is a fast food burger I really like).
Same-Same with craft beers.Many times I thought I had procured nectar in the Holy Grail to cascade over my taste buds based on "Reviews" and so called Snobs.Most of the time it fared slightly better than what I imagine Hot Dog Water or a warm Natty Lite to be
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I had always heard about how good In N Out burgers were. So, a few years ago I was in Anaheim for a work conference and my company had In N Out cater an after hours cocktail hour. I was really disappointed. I mean, they were fine and I ate a couple but it wasn’t anything special. Maybe I had just built it up too much in my mind and it wasn’t going to meet that expectation. I don’t remember it being any better than a Dave’s double from Wendy’s (which is a fast food burger I really like).
As an aside, I unapologetically like fast food. I know all the reasons I shouldn’t but I do. I probably eat some type of fast food at least once a week. Don’t judge me.
Also, I typically like restaurant food over what I make at home. I just like going out to eat. My wife and I have never been big bar or nightclub people. When we have a date night we typically go to a local place and have dinner and couple of drinks. We actually prefer sitting at the bar rather than the dining room because the bar kind of overlooks the dining room and we can sit there and people watch and catch whatever sporting event is playing on the TVs over the bar.
Then, we will leave there and go to another local place, sit at the bar there, share a dessert, and have a couple of after dinner drinks. Food is the one of the few things I’m totally ok overpaying for.
That's how I felt about Chick-Fil-A. When we finally got one by us, I was psyched, had it, could not figure out the hype. My brother in law makes it a must whenever he travels though.
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Well I mean, invariably that's going to be true whenever folks choose to overhype fast food, at least in my opinion. I don't ever "get" it. There has never been and I suspect there will never be ANY fast food that lives up to the hype when folks choose to give it some. It's just fast food.
The Popeyes Chicken Sandwich is a current example. Folks are actually killing one another over it.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/05/us/popeyes-sandwich-stabbing/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/05/us/popeyes-sandwich-stabbing/index.html)
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Those most likely to act that way (think Black Friday riots, injuries, deaths) are also the most likely to argue the point that we, humans, aren't merely animals.
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Well I mean, invariably that's going to be true whenever folks choose to overhype fast food, at least in my opinion. I don't ever "get" it. There has never been and I suspect there will never be ANY fast food that lives up to the hype when folks choose to give it some. It's just fast food.
The Popeyes Chicken Sandwich is a current example. Folks are actually killing one another over it.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/05/us/popeyes-sandwich-stabbing/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/05/us/popeyes-sandwich-stabbing/index.html)
Given the fast food caveat, In n Out did live up to it for me. I wasn't expecting the greatest chicken sandwich Is ever had, just the best fast food one. It didn't meet that. Obviously food is a personal taste thing.
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Given the fast food caveat, In n Out did live up to it for me. I wasn't expecting the greatest chicken sandwich Is ever had, just the best fast food one. It didn't meet that. Obviously food is a personal taste thing.
Yeah, and my experience with InO was precisely the opposite of yours. So many people overyhyping it. So much under-delivered. Certainly not the best burger I've ever had, and not even the best fast food burger I've ever had. Not even in the top 5 or 6 to be honest. As you say taste varies.
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That's how I felt about Chick-Fil-A. When we finally got one by us, I was psyched, had it, could not figure out the hype. My brother in law makes it a must whenever he travels though.
I’m a pretty big fan of Chick Fil A. And I have never seen a Chick Fil A that didn’t do fantastic business. There is a town about 30 minutes from where I live that has 3 of them and it really isn’t a big town at all. I joke that it’s a one Chick Fil A town with 3 Chick Fil A’s. But all three of them are packed all the time. And any CFA I’ve hit whether it be VA, NC, SC, GA, TN or any place down south is always like that. Drive thru backed up out of the parking lot. Inside is packed.
Their menu and their religious stance I guess just plays in the Bible Belt. Not to mention they just hire more impressive employees. They smile, are well groomed, look you in the eye, and actually speak to you. I got my kids a Happy Meal from McDonald’s a couple of weeks ago. The young guy at the window who gave me my food literally never said a word to me. Handed me one bag, stood there for 10 seconds waiting on the other one without saying anything, finally handed me the other bag, and shut the window.
That will never happen at a CFA.
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Chick Fil A does have the best customer service of any chain, retail, food etc. I've ever seen and it isn't close. I don't tend to eat there, my youngest likes or liked it. Can t keep up w her.
The only enterprises close in terms of large Corp service are Disney, which I hate to admit or Ritz Carlton. Probably put Hilton's Conrad brand in there along with Mandarin Hotels.
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Chick-fil-As average $4.4 mil per restaurant per year. Most fast-food joints average $2 mil or less.
And I can't help but suspect they hire from the same place FoxNews does - pretty, fit young ladies aplenty.
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Just ate a Hatch Green Chile burger from a Sonic in Grants, New Mexico. An OK burger made great solely because Green Chile is such a fantastic burger topping.
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I use green chile on my homemade burgers all the time. It goes to 11.
As far as Chick fil A's hiring practices, I can't say I know much about Fox News, but when I was in high school the Chick fil A in the nearest mall always hired girls from our school's cheerleading and drill team squads, so there's that.
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In-N-Out has the same reputation regarding customer service. And I don't recall *ever* having an order prepared wrong in the drive through.
Chick-fil-A makes a pretty solid chicken sandwich. I like the spicy deluxe. Their waffle fries are good as well.
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In-N-Out has the same reputation regarding customer service. And I don't recall *ever* having an order prepared wrong in the drive through.
Chick-fil-A makes a pretty solid chicken sandwich. I like the spicy deluxe. Their waffle fries are good as well.
As far as fast food fries, that's the one thing I think McDonald's does well, but Arby's curly fries are my personal favorite
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Salt, sugar, fat, caffeine, alcohol ....
The five major food groups.
One really notices how obese Americans are when coming back from a stay in Europe.
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Given the fast food caveat, In n Out did live up to it for me. I wasn't expecting the greatest chicken sandwich Is ever had, just the best fast food one. It didn't meet that. Obviously food is a personal taste thing.
+1 on Chik Fil A - they put one in near our house, it's always packed, and when I get something there it's...fine. I agree they do have wonderful customer service, which is nice, but I'm not really caring about that for fast food and everything I've gotten there has been pretty much just ok. Of course, my wife loves it.
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Yeah, my wife loves CFA also, and I'm so-so with the food, it's OK, but probably preferred over other FF options by me because of service.
The one up the street has a line out the door at lunch. There is a small park with some mature oak trees just outside and on nice days it too is packed. They did a great job creating that small park out of a largely unused area that had really nice trees. They built decks and places to sit underneath them. This is just after it opened.
(https://i.imgur.com/cSRRmfa.jpg)
They have music there every Friday, it's a great example of what can be done with a small area I think:
(https://i.imgur.com/WEZFFVI.jpg)
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+1 on Chik Fil A - they put one in near our house, it's always packed, and when I get something there it's...fine. I agree they do have wonderful customer service, which is nice, but I'm not really caring about that for fast food and everything I've gotten there has been pretty much just ok. Of course, my wife loves it.
Same here. My wife loves Chik Fil A while I'm more of it's ok for fast food. However the closest one to us is over an hour away (if you don't count the one at Cedar Point) so we rarely get to one. But if we are on a road trip, I just resign myself to the fact that come time to eat, we will be searching for a Chik Fil A. Not my first choice but given the fact that to my wife it is a special treat, I will accommodate her.
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When we are driving to "get somewhere expeditiously", I'm generally not very choosy about where we eat lunch. If a place has a long line, I go elsewhere. I'm just there to get unhungry and get back on the road. We don't often drive to get anywhere fast now.
The wife likes McD's for breakfast, and we used to drive to one near us in Cincy, but the nearest one here is awful. We don't have many chain places in walking distance, CFA, Panera, and now a Chipotle has opened, that is it, out of over 50 other places (some a bit pricey).
I like Whoppers still as a FF burger.
I had a Big Mac in France and it was both expensive and quite different from here. It had a mass of lettuce and not much meat. The wife had a simple cheeseburger and I think it was something close to 3 euros, call it $3, for their basic CB. This was on a toll road where you have limited options at an "aire". The French "interstates" are entirely tolls outside cities and you cannot exit to eat very effectively at all. They have few exits and those don't have food places off them very often. So, you stop at a "toll plaza" and over pay for whatever.
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I really like the flavor of the chicken and the batter at Chik fil A (especially the spicy), and I like that it's a fine cracker-crumb style crust instead of the typical thick flour/egg batter associated with typical fried chicken (not that there's anything wrong with that, I enjoy that style too but it's just a lot more common and I appreciate the difference).
I also appreciate the service as others have noted.
I don't like the steamed/soggy buns you get if you're there at a busy time, that are a result of them pre-making sandwiches and leaving them under the heat lamp. But the easy fix to that, is to order it without pickle, and then they have to make one fresh.
I don't eat it often, but my kids really love their nuggets, so we do end up there somewhat regularly.
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I like Crackerbarrel OK, but the wife doesn't much. I like Bob Evans OK, but again, the wife does not.
She now likes our local French place, her first visit was not to her liking. She says it's not quite real French cuisine, but it's not hyper pricey either, and the do half priced wines on Tuesdays. There is a Spanish tapas place near us that we both like, and several Italian places, and Thai places, but no Korean place near us. A new place just opened called Sugar Factory which has fairly pricey menu items, I don't care for the name, they do have a separate dessert section. I think it's a chain.
There are some Irish bars near us that are "OK", a good seafood place, a good southern place, two really, one is a longish walk. She likes Chipotle, which I don't especially like, it's "OK".
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The CFA grilled nuggets are actually good, that surprised me. I'm not eating fried foods and tried them once - they're seasoned nicely.
Compare that to the pure garbage in the freezer aisle of the grocery store for non-fried chicken options....it's criminal. The fake grill marks thing hurts my brain. That's where we're at. Poor people who can't buy actual chicken and are getting quantity over quality are getting 51% chicken with fake grill marks. Developed country my ass.
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Salt, sugar, fat, caffeine, alcohol ....
The five major food groups.
One really notices how obese Americans are when coming back from a stay in Europe.
I saw a lot of fat people in Europe.
It was odd how many of them spoke perfect English though :57:
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Actual chicken at our Kroger is often inexpensive, $2 for boneless breast on sale, $1 for legs on sale.
I like chicken legs grilled with hot sauce better than wings.
"We" are largely addicted to process food items for convenience. Grease, salt, and sugar can make them taste somewhat "OK".
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I saw a lot of fat people in Europe.
It was odd how many of them spoke perfect English though :57:
Probably not with a British accent though.
I've said before, when I'm in Paris, I want to get away from the tourists as far as possible. We're headed over for a month in January (ugh), but won't be in Paris much if at all, in a suburb the whole time. I hope.
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When I first started going to Europe 25 years ago I was surprised at how lean and fit they were compared to Americans.
Each subsequent trip over there, has proved the gap to be closing. And it's not because Americans are getting thinner.
The Euro lifestyle still remains much healthier than the American one, but it's not such a stark contrast anymore. The more McDonald's that open in Europe...
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The French women often smoke to maintain weight.
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Well yeah and then there's that.
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When I did my week long honeymoon in Playa Del Carmen 11 years ago there were lots of tourists from other Spanish speaking countries (specifically Spain and Argentina) around, among a few other fellow American tourists. The most obnoxious, entitled tourists I quickly noticed were also my fellow Americans unfortunately.
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Those most likely to act that way (think Black Friday riots, injuries, deaths) are also the most likely to argue the point that we, humans, aren't merely animals.
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I don't understand why you would use one point to grind an ax on something completely different.
Neither you nor I know what people who riot on Black Friday think about the nature of mankind.
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Chick Fil A does have the best customer service of any chain, retail, food etc. I've ever seen and it isn't close. I don't tend to eat there, my youngest likes or liked it. Can t keep up w her.
The only enterprises close in terms of large Corp service are Disney, which I hate to admit or Ritz Carlton. Probably put Hilton's Conrad brand in there along with Mandarin Hotels.
I’m a pretty big fan of Chick Fil A. And I have never seen a Chick Fil A that didn’t do fantastic business. There is a town about 30 minutes from where I live that has 3 of them and it really isn’t a big town at all. I joke that it’s a one Chick Fil A town with 3 Chick Fil A’s. But all three of them are packed all the time. And any CFA I’ve hit whether it be VA, NC, SC, GA, TN or any place down south is always like that. Drive thru backed up out of the parking lot. Inside is packed.
Their menu and their religious stance I guess just plays in the Bible Belt. Not to mention they just hire more impressive employees. They smile, are well groomed, look you in the eye, and actually speak to you. I got my kids a Happy Meal from McDonald’s a couple of weeks ago. The young guy at the window who gave me my food literally never said a word to me. Handed me one bag, stood there for 10 seconds waiting on the other one without saying anything, finally handed me the other bag, and shut the window.
That will never happen at a CFA.
At Chik Fil A:
Customer: Thank you.
CFA Employee: My pleasure!
OTOH, the standard response to "thank you" from anyone under 40 seems to be "no problem." The difference between "no problem" and "my pleasure" is in a microcosm why Chik Fil A kills it on customer service.
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My wife and I drive from Tulsa to visit her mother in Santa Fe twice a year. My wife has significant food limitations, so we stop to eat where it is fas, she likes it, and she won't be allergic to it. That is usually Subway. Which is OK.
There are a lot of better sandwich shop chains than Subway, but they typically are not located right off of I-40 in the Texas panhandle.
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I don't understand why you would use one point to grind an ax on something completely different.
Neither you nor I know what people who riot on Black Friday think about the nature of mankind.
Because I see a connection there and find it funny. Care to wager a dollar on it?
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Processed foods and fast food aren't the choice of the masses because they're good, but because they're available, cheap, and designed to make you want more.
It's not about 'did you enjoy it', but about 'would you like another one...here, here's another one right here.'
I assume I saw it on the McDonalds movie or maybe not, but the success of McDonalds (and eventually all the others) besides the above, was simply consistency. Back then, you could order the same meal 10 times and get it (subtly, but noticeably) 10 different ways or qualities. I assume some of you older guys remember a place you could frequent and depending on who was back in the kitchen that night, it would influence your selection.
But all McDonalds did was make their food the same, exact way every time. And that's all that was needed to spread like wildfire. It's an institution. It's the first fast food joint a small town gets when it's big enough. It's on every interstate exit. It's astounding.
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Because I see a connection there and find it funny. Care to wager a dollar on it?
Are you going to conduct a poll?
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Processed foods and fast food aren't the choice of the masses because they're good, but because they're available, cheap, and designed to make you want more.
It's not about 'did you enjoy it', but about 'would you like another one...here, here's another one right here.'
I assume I saw it on the McDonalds movie or maybe not, but the success of McDonalds (and eventually all the others) besides the above, was simply consistency. Back then, you could order the same meal 10 times and get it (subtly, but noticeably) 10 different ways or qualities. I assume some of you older guys remember a place you could frequent and depending on who was back in the kitchen that night, it would influence your selection.
But all McDonalds did was make their food the same, exact way every time. And that's all that was needed to spread like wildfire. It's an institution. It's the first fast food joint a small town gets when it's big enough. It's on every interstate exit. It's astounding.
This is true.
In college, I worked at a char-broiled burger restaurant on Campus Corner in Norman. It was the original Across the Street restaurant, if anyone is familiar with that old chain. It was sit-down, with menus at the table, and had other things than hamburgers. A poor-man's TGI Friday's might be the best way to describe it. We made the best fat onion rings I have ever eaten. We once had a family from Boston tell us the same thing.
We were careful, we had quality ingredients, and we had procedures. But our food did not turn out the same way every time. Items cooked in the fryolators were probably most subject to being different from one time to the next.
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Are you going to conduct a poll?
I'm surprised polls still exist after 2016. People aren't even honest when it's anonymous anymore.
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God I hope they paid $20 million to fire Willie Taggert, just to hire Deion.
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1192662679162441728?s=19
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I'm surprised polls still exist after 2016. People aren't even honest when it's anonymous anymore.
So you not only speak for Buckeye Fans it's people in General.Because our less evolved collective cognitive abilities could never see the obvious.
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God I hope they paid $20 million to fire Willie Taggert, just to hire Deion.
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1192662679162441728?s=19
I'm thinking Jimbo left the cupboards fairly bare.Some one on another board pointed out Charlie Weiss made off with well over 25 million from his CFB forays
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I used to be peripherally involved in polling (not political). Our "experts" at times would throw in a "gimme question", something very obvious like "Would you rather be paid $50 or $5 for completing this poll?" We'd consistently see 5-10% vote $5.
A lot of people don't listen to the question, or hear the question correctly, or respond randomly, it's near 10% in every poll taken I surmise.
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I'm surprised polls still exist after 2016. People aren't even honest when it's anonymous anymore.
A lot of that has to do with the purpose of the poll in question. As I have come to find out, most polls proclaim to sample the public on a particular issue to reflect public opinion. However, depending upon the way they frame the questions and the method they use to gather responses, it really has become more of a tool to shape public perception. It's like the old adage; Statistics are for liars and only liars use statistics. That tends to reflect the use of polls these days.
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Are you going to conduct a poll?
You are trying to reason with a guy who wears a bright orange clown wig to football games.
Why?
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My wife and I drive from Tulsa to visit her mother in Santa Fe twice a year. My wife has significant food limitations, so we stop to eat where it is fas, she likes it, and she won't be allergic to it. That is usually Subway. Which is OK.
There are a lot of better sandwich shop chains than Subway, but they typically are not located right off of I-40 in the Texas panhandle.
Subway unsettles me because among the fast food places, it strikes me as the most blatantly food product rather than food.
Granted, I used to eat it a good bit, and would again on the right road trip.
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I ate Subway pretty regularly in college and post-college because it was cheap. But I agree, it's sort of the least "food-like" of all of the fast food options.
These days if I want a sandwich I stick to the local sandwich shops. There's one that has a duck pastrami sandwich that is so unbelievably good, I find myself craving it.
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God I hope they paid $20 million to fire Willie Taggert, just to hire Deion.
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1192662679162441728?s=19
Lmao
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Subway unsettles me because among the fast food places, it strikes me as the most blatantly food product rather than food.
Granted, I used to eat it a good bit, and would again on the right road trip.
I worked at Subway in high school. It's always heard the old adage "if you work in fast food you'll never eat there again once you see how things are made", but I did not find that true of Subway. Everything was pretty much on the up and up.
I never should have thrown away that "Sandwich Artist" uniform shirt lol
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I worked at Subway in high school. It's always heard the old adage "if you work in fast food you'll never eat there again once you see how things are made", but I did not find that true of Subway. Everything was pretty much on the up and up.
I never should have thrown away that "Sandwich Artist" uniform shirt lol
I worked at a Brueggers Bagels in high school.
I still can't stomach the smell of cream cheese anymore. Not due to the cleanliness, just you can't have cream cheese in your face for 30 hours a week and not have it start to burn your nostrils
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The wife and I will snag a Subway when traveling if we're thinking about a picnic somewhere pretty, like a National Park. We get two around 11 AM or so, whenever we pass a shop. Instant picnic.
I don't care for their bread really, but it's OK.
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Maybe we're getting spoiled and have forgot the hard lessons our parents/grandparents learned.Subway isn't bad at all IMO.As are PennStation and Jersey Mike's - I LOVE good Deli sammiches.Used to be an old world deli around the corner growing up they had smoked/cured cheeses & meats hanging everywhere.Pickled everything sitting in big ceramic pots with plastic lids.They made a submarine sandwich called a "Poor Boy" on fresh baked French Rolls,.4 different types of sliced meats,2 cheeses some unbelievable Italian Vinegarette,sprinkled with chopped Greek olives.It was like a trip thru Europe - something from all those places.If I could order a last meal it would be as many of those as I could cram past my yap
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So you not only speak for Buckeye Fans it's people in General.Because our less evolved collective cognitive abilities could never see the obvious.
Yeah, you're inserting 'grrr' or 'boo-hoo' into this where there is no need. There was a massive, unprecedented disconnect between the huge election polling data and the results.
It happened and it's noteworthy, no matter what side you're on.
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Every Gator fan wants FSU to hire Deion as HC. Oh wait, I shouldn't speak for all of us. Hmm, every smart Gator fan? No, that sounds arrogant.
ARRDHGHGHGHGHAAHDKO!!
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Maybe we're getting spoiled and have forgot the hard lessons our parents/grandparents learned.Subway isn't bad at all IMO.As are PennStation and Jersey Mike's - I LOVE good Deli sammiches.Used to be an old world deli around the corner growing up they had smoked/cured cheeses & meats hanging everywhere.Pickled everything sitting in big ceramic pots with plastic lids.They made a submarine sandwich called a "Poor Boy" on fresh baked French Rolls,.4 different types of sliced meats,2 cheeses some unbelievable Italian Vinegarette,sprinkled with chopped Greek olives.It was like a trip thru Europe - something from all those places.If I could order a last meal it would be as many of those as I could cram past my yap
I haven't been to Subway in ages... Something about it always seemed lower-end than the other sandwich shops I frequent... Those little triangle pieces of cheese always did weird me out a bit. At least they don't still the "cut a trough of bread out of the top" thing like they did when I worked there. It was just a way to make a sandwich look more full...
I do like Jersey Mike's. We have Which Wich here as well and that's pretty good. But you ain't gettin' no $5 footlong at Which Wich...
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Took the wife to lunch at Sweetwater Brewery. They have a beer she really likes, but only on site. She does not like the hops flavor much. Her fav is aged in oak barrels and has a distinct vanilla note, not much hoppiness. The food is solid there and they have a very nice patio area.
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I hate subway's bread, always felt like somebody sat on it. Couple with the fact that Subway Jared (used to) live just west of me a couple miles and the whole place fell off my radar for years now.
Penn Station has damn good bread, and service is noticeably good, as is Jersey Mike's.
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I don't mind Subway from time to time, even though I fully recognize how mediocre their overall quality is compared to other sandwich shops. What they going for them is TONS of locations everywhere and good prices.
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I would've thought working in a bagel place would scar someone due to the preparation of the bagels themselves. I swear, spend one hour in those places and you reek of a bagel shop the rest of the day.
never would've thought about the cream cheese. I will say after selling 1,000s of bags of peanuts, I still love them, its the cotton candy I never want to see again in my life, let alone eat.
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Jersey Mike's is pretty good, definitely a fan of theirs. Jimmy John's is decent too.
But my favorite sandwich anywhere is "The Bobbie" from Capriotti's. It's basically Thanksgiving leftovers in a sandwich, but available year round. Turkey, stuffing, mayo, and cranberry sauce on good quality bread. Absolutely heavenly.
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I hate subway's bread, always felt like somebody sat on it. Couple with the fact that Subway Jared (used to) live just west of me a couple miles and the whole place fell off my radar for years now.
Penn Station has damn good bread, and service is noticeably good, as is Jersey Mike's.
Taht's where I'm at. Their toppings are good enough, but the bread makes or breaks it for me, and I don't like Subway's. I love DeBellas, but again, probably not quite fast food, and not fast food prices
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daughter was a sammich artist or whatever at Subway in high school
Buddy of mine owns the 7 subways in the area (Good Husker fan)
sammiches aren't great, but good enough and much better than fast food burgers and fries
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I once thought that the Subways were a money laundering scheme, there were so many with such sparse business.
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I once thought that the Subways were a money laundering scheme, there were so many with such sparse business.
Not unreasonable to think this. As someone who once was involved in money laundering investigations, it does have characteristics but the franchise model does make it harder to pull this off. Locally, small independents which own the entire chain are really the targets. Think Gus from Breaking Bad.
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Yup. There is a Chinese restaurant near where we use to live that never had customers, or might have one table, stayed open for well over a decade. I tried it once, they acted like I was an imposition. There was a pizza place next door and I could look inside the place as I walked by, empty tables at dinner time usually.
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God I hope they paid $20 million to fire Willie Taggert, just to hire Deion.
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1192662679162441728?s=19
+1
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I used to be peripherally involved in polling (not political). Our "experts" at times would throw in a "gimme question", something very obvious like "Would you rather be paid $50 or $5 for completing this poll?" We'd consistently see 5-10% vote $5.
A lot of people don't listen to the question, or hear the question correctly, or respond randomly, it's near 10% in every poll taken I surmise.
There's a polling outfit that I hear from every 3-4 weeks and that pays $10 to complete a poll that takes about 10 minutes. There is always a question in there that says something like "Answer 'very important to me' on this question."
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Maybe we're getting spoiled and have forgot the hard lessons our parents/grandparents learned.Subway isn't bad at all IMO.As are PennStation and Jersey Mike's - I LOVE good Deli sammiches.Used to be an old world deli around the corner growing up they had smoked/cured cheeses & meats hanging everywhere.Pickled everything sitting in big ceramic pots with plastic lids.They made a submarine sandwich called a "Poor Boy" on fresh baked French Rolls,.4 different types of sliced meats,2 cheeses some unbelievable Italian Vinegarette,sprinkled with chopped Greek olives.It was like a trip thru Europe - something from all those places.If I could order a last meal it would be as many of those as I could cram past my yap
I see lots of complaints about Subway's bread. I don't care much for the regular bread, but the Italian Herb and Cheese variety is decent, I think.
Jersey Mike's, Firehouse, Schlotzky's, Jimmy John's, Quizno's--they're all somewhat better in their own ways, IMO. But they're not located right off convenient exits on I-40 between Tulsa and Santa Fe (Cline's Corners, actually).
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I would've thought working in a bagel place would scar someone due to the preparation of the bagels themselves. I swear, spend one hour in those places and you reek of a bagel shop the rest of the day.
never would've thought about the cream cheese. I will say after selling 1,000s of bags of peanuts, I still love them, its the cotton candy I never want to see again in my life, let alone eat.
I worked in a huge "Mexican" restaurant named Casa Bonita (it was a chain of 4 or 5 locations in various cities) when I was in high school. I was dating the most beautiful girl in our high school (she is now my wife), and I'd get off of work, drive home like a bat out of Hell, take a shower in which I'd scrub like crazy, put on clean clothes, and pick her up still smelling like enchiladas.
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I worked in a huge "Mexican" restaurant named Casa Bonita (it was a chain of 4 or 5 locations in various cities) when I was in high school. I was dating the most beautiful girl in our high school (she is now my wife), and I'd get off of work, drive home like a bat out of Hell, take a shower in which I'd scrub like crazy, put on clean clothes, and pick her up still smelling like enchiladas.
When I was working at Subway, my parents had cats. They loved when I would get home from work smelling like lunch meat lol...
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hah, one of my high school jobs was as a pump jockey at the gas station
in college I moved into meat packing and the slaughter house (kill floor)
strong odors
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Surprised your not a Vegan
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I'm surprised I still eat hot dogs
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in college I moved into meat packing and the slaughter house (kill floor)
strong odors
Ugh, there are worse jobs, but kill floors are one of the reasons I’m vegetarian. I did landscaping as a high schooler and thought that was enough until I joined the military and got indefinitely deployed thanks to our endless wars. Now let me enjoy a salad and watch football on Fall weekends.
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I worked in a huge "Mexican" restaurant named Casa Bonita (it was a chain of 4 or 5 locations in various cities) when I was in high school. I was dating the most beautiful girl in our high school (she is now my wife), and I'd get off of work, drive home like a bat out of Hell, take a shower in which I'd scrub like crazy, put on clean clothes, and pick her up still smelling like enchiladas.
I worked in a small Tex-Mex restaurant called Casa Danielle when I was in high school. I was not dating the most beautiful girl in our high school. She was dating one of my best friends. But later in life, after she dumped his ass and then went to a hated rival college and later returned to Austin and moved back in with her parents, the most beautiful girl in our high school and I started dating, and she is now my i s c & a aggie wife.
But that's not the point. About half my shifts I spent in a small, very hot room, frying the taco shells and tortilla chips. You ever walked out of a Tex-Mex or Mexican restaurant with the faint smell of fried tortillas clinging to you? Just imagine that times 10,000.
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I've never once worked around food in my life. But coming home covered in transcontinental railroad funk after lacing the air hoses between 50+ train cars or tying 30 hand brakes to secure a train on a 1.8% grade isn't pleasant either. That's also why I promoted to engineer, get to keep my ass in the seat.
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The only job I had in HS was at JC Penny selling bicycles for a month one Christmas. That was big money for me at the time. One month.
The next real job I had was the job I kept for 32 years before retiring. It paid better.
I would go after school every day to a Burger King for lunch (the school cafeteria was horrid of course). A lady was there every afternoon (and rarely anyone else) and when she's see me pull into the lot she would put my burger on the flames. I'd have a large orange, fries, and Whopper for 98 cents. She was a very nice lady.
Then I'd go to bball practice, which usually was about an hour after school let out.
I took Daughter #1 to the UGA-Tech game in Athens last year. I didn't know where to eat, it was COLD and drizzly that day and hardly anyone was TGing, so we tried the university cafeteria. Boy was that different from 1972. They had all sorts of food items and it was good and not too expensive at all.
I rarely ate there as a student, it was pretty bad as I recall. Our neighbor is a retired professor at GT and he took me on a tour there a while back. In 1972, it was a DUMP, really barren and ugly, and now it's beautiful. That is one reason tuition jumped of course. I was amazed how nice it was, they have made good use of the land they have available, which isn't much.
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I've never once worked around food in my life. But coming home covered in transcontinental railroad funk after lacing the air hoses between 50+ train cars or tying 30 hand brakes to secure a train on a 1.8% grade isn't pleasant either. That's also why I promoted to engineer, get to keep my ass in the seat.
Grrrr...
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Trains still fascinate me. So do barges on rivers.
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The only job I had in HS was at JC Penny selling bicycles for a month one Christmas. That was big money for me at the time. One month.
Wow. My first job was at 13, caddy at Chicago Golf Club. Next summer was a starter at a golf course. Then Subway, which I hated enough to leave as soon as I turned 16 and worked at Best Buy. Then I count I think 6 different summer jobs between then and graduating college.
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Yeah, most of my friends had jobs. We weren't rich, but my Dad didn't want me working for whatever reason. Maybe he thought I would focus on my studies.
Playing sports did limit job options of course. I did teach as a TA in grad school for peanuts but I'm not sure that counts.
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Trains still fascinate me. So do barges on rivers.
Ore/Lake Freighters also
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There is a large complex being built near us that takes up a city block. I often just watch all the goings on, deliveries, pouring concrete, etc. for a while. The coordination and planning needed is impressive to me. The amount of structural material needed for a set of buildings that size is incredible, and obviously it's not a huge project by global standards. They are up to about the third floor in place with the piers.
(https://i.imgur.com/7xOZjTh.jpg)
This is from a couple weeks back.
(https://i.imgur.com/aq18B33.jpg)
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Playing sports did limit job options of course. I did teach as a TA in grad school for peanuts but I'm not sure that counts.
I didn't play organized team sports during that stretch, but I was doing martial arts from the age of 11 until starting college. Which was very busy especially leading up to my first (age 15) and second (age 17) degree black belt tests, often training 5-6 days a week. Somehow I still found the time.
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I could have found the time, but didn't. I went to college straight through including summers so I didn't work then. College wasn't that expensive of course and I had a small 'ship.
I might not be so lazy had I had honest jobs in my life.
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I quit HS football my senior season to get a job and make a few bucks, was saving for college
the juniors were bigger and stronger and taking my spot
pumped gas, cashed payroll checks, sold ice, cigarettes, and beer. Great job for a high school kid, the busiest gas station next to the McDonalds, right on "the Loop"
lot's of traffic, always knew where the parties where. great social setting, in the middle of the action and making $3.25 per hour!
sold a lot of beer to my underage friends, they didn't mind being over charged
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I quit HS football my senior season to get a job and make a few bucks, was saving for college
Ha did the same things,we had a coach that made Cooper look like a brainiac.Years later got to know quite a few of the other coaches - they confirmed my suspicouns.So how did you compensate the cash drawer over charging.Skim off of the top up front and make your own change on the side
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made my change on the side
hah, guys would look up at the board with prices and then look at me when I gave them the high price. Usually 5 bucks over. I'd shrug my shoulders and say, "tax and deposit" take it or leave it.
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I also helped fix ATMs one summer. I was the guy w a key ring w 75 keys to ATMs in the Milwaukee area. I'd get paged and meet the actual mechanic at the ATM location. Two different keys and my job was to keep an eye on him and him on me. Our job was not to deliver or remove cash.
Most common breakage, idiots stuffing crap into deposit slot.
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made my change on the side
hah, guys would look up at the board with prices and then look at me when I gave them the high price. Usually 5 bucks over. I'd shrug my shoulders and say, "tax and deposit" take it or leave it.
None of them tipped the the boss off out of resentment?
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hah, they were thankful to get beer. Besides, the boss would have laughed at them.
I was night shift manager, no one else to talk to at the time
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I've never once worked around food in my life. But coming home covered in transcontinental railroad funk after lacing the air hoses between 50+ train cars or tying 30 hand brakes to secure a train on a 1.8% grade isn't pleasant either. That's also why I promoted to engineer, get to keep my ass in the seat.
So, Froggy, in that previous position, were you a brakeman?
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So, Froggy, in that previous position, were you a brakeman?
Brakeman/Conductor. They've mostly eliminated the brakeman position on all but a few specific jobs.