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Off Topic Boards => Whoa Nellie College Football Board Game => Topic started by: OrangeAfroMan on October 12, 2019, 05:03:25 PM
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Share your game results here - it'll be a fun place to see how other's games are going and perhaps identify trends. And it's just nice to share what happened.
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95 Northwestern vs
72 USC
Obviously, USC was favored here.
Darnell Autry never got on track, as he was stifled for about 2 yards per carry. Both teams missed a FG and neither team passed the ball all that well. N'Western passed 32 times to USC's 19 because they were behind early and they just couldn't move the ball on the ground. D'Wayne Bates had almost 100 yards for the Wildcats, but the USC running game was too much. Anthony Davis and Sam Cunningham didn't have huge days, but kept the chains moving.
72 USC wins, 24-13.
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Hello all!
2018 UW 19 2018 Cal 0
2018 UW 27 2018 Colorado 0
2018 Oregon 24 2018 UW 17 (OT)
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'95 Nebraska 45 '71 OU 13. It was 42-7 at half, offense was unstoppable for Nebraska in first half, and had a pick six. I put a game play summary on the customer review page. Thank you OAM for sending out the 'blowout chart' so I can adjust play call probabilities for solo play, to better reflect what would happen in a blowout.
'91 Miami 14 '90 Colorado 10.
in between these early games today, my Dad and I were playing ('91 Miami at '90 Colorado). Miami, hilariously, was hit with 2 unsportsmanlike penalties during the game, among other penalties. This game is realistic. (https://www.cfb51.com/Smileys/fantasticsmileys/57.gif)
Anyways, another punt was blocked (Nebraska blocked an OU punt in the first game I played too), this time, the difference, as Colorado was punting in the 4th, up 10-7, Miami blocks it and returns it for a TD, Canes win it 14-10. We had about 9 penalties in this game, and my first Whoa Nellie big play TD, Colorado's only TD, a 25 yard TD run. Colorado also missed two field goals, and led 3-0 at half. CU had a couple sacks of Miami. I think Hagan was 1-6 throwing.
I haven't played with clock play yet, just possession count (but have played out all possessions, not the quick play chart).
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Wow, 71 OU has the best offense in the game, I believe.
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Wow, 71 OU has the best offense in the game, I believe.
I was quite surprised by their offensive performance, they got behind the sticks, and the Nebraska D adjustments really forced them into 4th and medium, I'd probably have them go for it more often if in that similar situation. Mildren is such feast or famine when OU has to pass.
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Yes, I haven't done it recently, but I want to take an old option team and just throw the ball a ton. I'd predict a ton of punts, passing yards, and interceptions.
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'95 Nebraska 44
'90 Colorado 7
I had a first, the opening kickoff was a d99 and returned for a touchdown for Nebraska. CU immediately drove down for a tying touchdown. Nebraska answered in the air on the next drive, but Kris Brown missed the PAT. Nebraska built up a 30-7 1st half lead. Not surprisingly, CU's punter buried Nebraska a couple times (reversing my earlier trend of low net punt averages in my first couple games).
Colorado actually moved the ball fairly well on the ground in the 1st half, but Hagan could not make a play to save his life (especially passing), or him getting stuffed on the run. FG attempts weren't going to keep CU in this game. The blowout chart was used, but not until the 4th, as Nebraska was only up 23 in the 3rd. Hagan was sacked 4 times in the 4th quarter. I had more production sticking to the run, but again, this is realistic. An option team has a brutal time trying to come back from big deficits.
We had a Whoa Nellie TD on a Mackovicka 49 yard FB Trap which basically sealed the game. I think my Dad ran inside run for Nebraska every play of the second half. Had we played clock time, I think one drive would've been a 18 play, 97 yard, 14 minute drive. He was 2-2 on 4th and short conversions.
There were 12 penalties in the game, 3 turnovers, I rolled the d20 about 80% of the time. Conversely Frazier passed the ball quite well in the first half, throwing 3 TD passes.
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Hagan's sacks were unexpected since, if my memory serves me correctly, he had three All-Americans (Van Der Poel, Garten, & Leuwenberg) on his offensive line that year. Then again, they run-blocked 99% of the time. Thanks
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It was all the dice roll. N 95 triggers a sack on low rolls, and when CU was in blowout mode, ears back for Nebraska keying SP/LP. You basically need a d11 to d32 to hit a LP w Hagen in that situation. I'm guessing Kordell would be a better QB for CU in 94, 95.
I probably ran for 200+ yds w CU. Lots of 20+ runs, both IR/OR. Nebraska run keys over time though really make it hard to move the sticks. 2 whoa nellie fumbles too. My Dad had all the dice juju. They are as good as advertised.
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'71 Oklahoma 7 14 14 7 42
'91 Miami 0 3 7 0 10
I played Possession mode (solo). As OU '71. I intentionally threw SP the majority of the offensive plays.
One thing with Possession mode solo, the Defensive d9 roll is at a disadvantage, as several plays, the Canes were not figuring out that OU was throwing on nearly every down. Combine that with hot dice, and this team is unstoppable offensively. I think if I play this way again, I may modify my defensive rolls for the Opponent, if offense play calls are 3X. On one hand the dice were good for OU, often, and they just moved up and down the field for the most part. Even with a -8 Pass for Miami. Lots of penalties in this one too, though several were declined.
OU: P, TD, MFG : TD, TD : TD, TD : INT, P, TD
Canes: INT, Downs: P, P, FG: TD, Fumble, INT: Downs, Downs.
Despite the passing load by Jack Mildren, the player of the game was FB Leon Crosswhite, who scored 4 TDs, three of which were Whoa Nellie TD runs of 22yds, 15 yrs, and 99! Miami pins OU at the one, and then The Canes had the same D 3Xs in a row, which led to the 3rd quarter Whoa Nellie game buster.
Canes lone TD was a Whoa Nellie 66 yard pass TD to Kevin Williams. Toretta was good on the short balls, but two picks were drive killers, as the Canes definitely moved the ball in this game.
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One negative of all this is that I haven't been able to sit and play the game any - just filling orders. So keep the updates coming! :)
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three of which were Whoa Nellie TD runs of 22yds, 15 yrs, and 99! Miami pins OU at the one, and then The Canes had the same D 3Xs in a row, which led to the 3rd quarter Whoa Nellie game buster.
In 2-player, the Miami team would play the Whoa Nellie card twice per half vs 71 OU, as they were an option team. How is the 3x same defense working out playing solo? I know the % chance works out, but in reality, how have you found it to bear out?
Sounds like penalties might have to be peeled back. Thanks for your invaluable sharing!
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'95 Nebraska 21 7 9 10 47
'91 Miami 0 7 10 7 24
I played as Miami solo in a Possession play game. I still haven't played Clock-Time game. Nebraska probably passed 7 times, Frazier threw one TD pass to Ahman Green on a 7 yard swing pass. I returned a KR for a TD for the Canes. Interestingly, this crappy KR for the Canes kept me from 2 other KOR TDs with d100 rolls in the mid 90s, not quite enough. Nebraska did most of their damage running inside, I don't think they ran OR more than 4 times. Mackovicka and Phillips ran all over me. Green and Frazier scored twice each on the ground. 3 total Whoa Nellie TDs, two by Nebraska, and one for me and Gino, but I didn't need it, the d roll would have been a TD anyways for Copeland.
I was safetied on a sack, one of Nebraska's 3 sacks of Torretta. Another sack ruined a drive, and Huerta missed a 35 yd fg. I decided to pull back penalties to just '1' and '20' in the 2nd half, as I did have 'too many' flags in the first half, fairly evenly distributed. The blowout chart came out again, and I did try an onside in the 2nd half with the score 28-17, and did not recover it.
I noticed there isn't a blocked FG roll, though I supposed that's 'covered' on d rolls considering a miss, though that does keep a blocked FG return from happening. I admit, tough to implement, I suppose a '95-99' d100 roll?
After I play '71 OU vs '90 CU, I need to order some more cards. :72: Probably a 10 pack.
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Awesome write-up! This is what I'm hoping for - teams doing what they did, but with some variety of big-plays and altering the game here and there for your preference. Hopefully you had fun! 95 Nebraska is a tough nut to crack, to be sure.
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'90 Colorado 0 7 0 14 21
'71 Oklahoma 7 7 7 21 42
I was solo '90 Colorado (possession game) trying to reign in OU's offense. Colorado did a nice job moving the ball, but my goodness, the turnovers. Like a real football game. Hagan threw two picks in OU territory and the CU kicker was a donkey missing two FGs. When OU wasn't scoring they were burying CU deep. CU has a good return game.
CU: MFG, INT, INT: Downs, MFG, TD: P, FUM, FUM: TD, TD
OU: P, TD: TD, P, FUM: P, TD, : TD, TD, TD
I did try an onside w/ CU and did not recover. Due to OU's immediate fumble on drive #3 in the 2nd quarter, I allowed CU a third possession in the 2nd quarter, which led to a quick 2 play TD drive. OU's offense is really good in this game, really good. I'm pretty sure if you play all short passes with this team, you would probably beat most teams that OAM produces, particularly in solo mode, given dice won't always key in on SP for a solo opponent. I will next play as '71 solo vs '95 Nebraska in that mode to see if that's a way to slow down Nebraska '95.
My sample size isn't huge, but its pretty clear to me, N '95, OU '71 are far better than '91 Miami with '90 CU being the weakest of the four. I think history would likely rank the four the same way. I'm going to order 10 more teams. Any suggestions?
I'm leaning towards: '71 N, '72 USC, '77 ND, some Texas team, '80 UGA, '92 Bama, '94 PSU, '97 Mich, '99 UW, '10 AU, '99 FSU, '08 UF.
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All the teams you listed have been made, ordered, and sent out to others, besides 92 Alabama (which is already made).
Some teams I'm surprised that haven't been ordered:
80-81 Pitt
81 Clemson
82 UGA
83 Nebraska
anyone from 84 (BYU, OU, Florida, BC, Wash)
85 UM
86 OU or Miami
87 Miami or FSU or even Syracuse?
90 Miami (maybe this would be a big seller with their own, unique penalty chart?)
91 Penn St
93 ND or Auburn
94 Nebraska or Bama
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Also, no one has ordered a Saban national championship team, which is interesting.
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'99 FSU stands out to me because of its offense, defense, and that hammer leg of Sebastian Janikowski. Very formidable team IMO
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What single team has been requested the most? Are players leaning towards offensively dominant or defensively dominant teams so far at this point?
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Popular choices thus far - 2018 playoff teams, 01 Miami, 05 Texas, 08 Florida, 95 Nebraska, 97 Michigan...and multiple people have ordered 99 Wisconsin, actually.
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I played OU '71 and Nebraska '95 again. I was OU in solo possession play. I only ran OU short pass plays. I modified penalties to d1/d20 respectively. Both teams missed Field Goals, and we had two Whoa Nellie turnovers. Otherwise, 'nothing happened' 6 times on the WN cards.
N 7 14 10 0 31
OU 7 0 10 7 24
Well, I did something nobody else could do to Nebraska in 1995, play them inside of 14 points. I scored a TD very late with OU to cut it to a seven point loss. Nothing really remarkable in this game. Both teams moved the ball well, OU was sacked 3 times and had two turnovers. Mildren was feast or famine for OU. N '95 is beatable with this OU team, but you can't be -2 in turnovers. One thing I wrestle with, when do you have the Opponent go for it on 4th down? I did get it once and also punted away another time (both 4th and 2 from between the 40s).
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I've edited the penalties on the chart to 1 for offense and 20 for defense, thanks to your feedback.
As for 4th down in solo play, it would have to involve being behind and being at a certain yard-line. Obviously, if you're playing possessions, the opponent needs to go for it on 4th down on their last possession, and their 2nd-to-last possession if down 2 scores (knowing they only have 2 possessions left). Possessions play is my preferred method, but due to this type of situation, it leans more towards a simulation rather than 'anything can happen if i choose it'.
I'll put in some 4th down rules for solo play under the "Things you need to know" section and share it here as well. Thanks for inquiring!
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btw, when I made their team and saw their yards-per-attempt numbers, I though 71 OU would be unbeatable. But their defense isn't super-elite, so I guess that's what makes them mortal.
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'95 Nebraska 45 '71 OU 13. It was 42-7 at half, offense was unstoppable for Nebraska in first half, and had a pick six.
wow, 71 OU was dern solid
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Once we see who is the toughest team to beat in the game, I think we'll offer a free team if you can show evidence that you played it out and beat that team.
It'll be one of the usual suspects - 71 or 95 Nebraska, maybe 74 OU if not 71....04 USC, 05 Texas, 08 Florida....who knows.
I've also thought about making a single, individual "best ever" defensive rating of -5 vs run for '93 Arizona and -10 vs pass for 97 UM...but haven't. I might do the free team set offer if you show you ran for 100+ yards vs that Desert Swarm defense or passed for 300+ vs Woodson & Co., something like that.
FUn stuff.
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In my experience, in solo play against '71 OU is very beatable, as the dice don't seem to give enough short pass attempts, and I think if you play with OU '71, you're going to throw the ball a bit more. When I've been OU '71, I'm not stopped that much, you just need to avoid the turnovers. I need to get more teams.
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Rematch (for my game play).
I was '91 Miami vs '90 Colorado possession play
Canes 10 14 14 7 45
CU 0 3 0 7 10
As Miami I threw 2 INTs, CU turnover on downs three times in the second half. Miami pass D is a huge problem for this CU team, really any team. CU has big plays on the ground, but they are not able to hammer out long drives. Canes on the other hand, I really ran the ball well in this game, and if this were a clock time game, it would've been short, probably 35-3. Miami did get a PF penalty. No unsportsmanlike penalty, which is news.
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During this wild Wazzu/Ducks game, I played as CU '90 vs OU '71 in a solo possession game. As I suspected, OU doesn't throw as much (as I would if calling their plays). I bet OU passed the ball 9 times. I'd probably throw 15 or more. CU really has a nice D key against the short pass which can negate OU's outsized play opportunities against the pass.
'90 CU 16 0 6 0 22
'71 OU 7 7 14 3 31
CU missed two PATs, OU missed two Field Goals (55, 44). Hagan threw two 4th quarter INTs, OU had a KR TD. Only 6 penalties. Whoa Nellie cards were all no fumble/no TD results.
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Ok, I played one more N '95 v OU '71 game before I order more teams. I played solo as OU, and called a lot of short passes for OU. Mildren threw 5 (FIVE!) INTs, the final one being returned by Mike Fulman for a TD.
Penalties only thing that really slowed Nebraska, and forced them to punt twice.
OU 3 0 7 7 17
N 7 14 14 10 45
OU: INT, Fumble, FG, INT, INT, TD, INT, TD, INT, Downs (No punts, six turnovers)
N: TD, Fumble, Punt, TD, TD, TD, TD, Punt, FG, TD pick six, End Game.
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Your post made me look at the 71 OU team card again, and there's an error. Nothing to do with gameplay, but their 35/65 pass/run% are actually 71 Nebraska's..........ugh.
I hope you weren't trying to pass a third of the time because of that. Those Sooners actually only passed 9% of the time.
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in my play as OU '71 I've messed around a bit, one game, doing nothing but passing, and another (when I threw 5 INTs!) I passed a lot. Stunning how many times I rolled high 90s, or got caught against a good defense which increased INT odds.
Their card doesn't seem right on the run side, especially for a team that ran for 472 yards p game.
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Well, they averaged 6.6 yards per carry, which is the number the game is based on. And remember, it's just their top 4 rushers, so those guys down the stat sheet who averaged 14 yards per carry on 4-5 carries aren't included. You've got:
Mildren with the most carries, at 5.8 per
Pruitt at 9.0 ypc
the FB Crosswhite at 4.9, and
Bell with 7.2
The reason they ran for 470 ypg is that they always ran the ball. 91% of their plays were runs. Now, on the 'opponent offense' chart, the lowest I can get the passing plays is 16%. (1 out of 12 is about 8% - so just allowing for one slot each for short pass and long pass, that's 8% x 2 = 16%. So that inflates their passing rates a little, but playing as 71 OU, you should rarely pass, if ever.
I did consider allotting just one slot for passing (8% of plays) to be more precise, and I know those run-first, run always teams threw deep a lot, but still - I don't think anyone would want to be made to only throw it deep, especially with such paltry completion percentages in doing so.
I could possibly make the QB card for all teams who threw the ball below, say 12%, different/unique compared to all others in the game, with a mix of short and long passes....but I'd have to wait to look at that until after I catch up on orders.
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Played my first game tonight ('89 Miami @ '90 Georgia Tech).
Miami was dominating taking a 21-0 halftime lead behind Craig Erickson's 14 completions. Shawn Jones of GT only completed 8 passes and was intercepted three times, but the Whoa Nellie card was kind in the 3rd quarter as he hit Bobby Rodriguez on a 65-yard td pass. The game wasn't that close as GT also has a kickoff return for a td.
Craig Erickson finished with 22 completions for 268 yards, but was sacked four times.
'89 Miami 7 14 0 14- 35
'90 GT 0 0 14 7- 21
This game is incredible! Well worth the time and effort that it took to create if anyone is curious.
Next game is Spurrier's '91 Florida Gators hosting the run-and-shoot '90 Houston Cougars.
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oh, I forgot to mention how dominating Miami's d was....GT had only 76 yards on 26 attempts
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Next game is Spurrier's '91 Florida Gators hosting the run-and-shoot '90 Houston Cougars.
That should be fun!
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How did you play? possessions or clock? I need a few more samples, but am pretty sure I'll only do clock when playing with another person. Impressive dedication to keeping the stats
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Hey MarqHusker,
I am using possessions. I remember Strat-o-matic's time-keeping system and I really was turned off by it. I find that with possessions, its less moving parts each play and that's ideal for me. After 5 games, what I find unique about Whoa Nellie is the true excitement that it offers compared to similar simulations. For example, '88 Oklahoma St was up 21-9 on '82 SMU in the third quarter. OSU's qb fumbled at the SMU 18 and subsequently set off a metamorphic momentum change highlighted by Eric Dickerson's 79 yard touchdown run on the Whoa Nellie card and SMU's eventual 33-24 victory. With the addition of the Whoa Nellie card, no defense is safe from preventing a long touchdown, just like in real-world college football.
This is, hands down, the best college game that I have ever played. Other games (Bowl Bound among others) lack individuality, which is paramount to a fun, accurate experience.
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Thursday night I had an instant classic!
'89 Miami defeated '90 Notre Dame 26-20. The game ended on a Rick Mirer incompletion in the end zone. Miami's rush defense was again stout allowing on 72 rushing yards. Notre Dame's Rocket Ismail returned a kickoff 100 yards for a td (2nd consecutive game Miami has given up a return td). Ismail finished with 167 return yards, 56 rushing yards, and 91 receiving yards, placing himself firmly in Heisman contention.
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88 Notre Dame 6 7 0 16 29
14 Ohio State 0 7 10 7 24
This was my first game. Ohio State out gained and outplayed the Irish, but the Buckeyes missed two field goals and had two turnovers. The Irish blocked a punt and returned it for a 61 yd TD late in game to take the lead. The Buckeyes then drove the length of the field in two minutes to the Irish 17 yd line with enough time left for one play. The game ended with the Irish sacking Cardale Jones on the final play to seal the victory!
Notre Dame only had 241 total yards compared to Ohio State, which had 452 total yards.
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Wow, sounds exciting! Love the close games.
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AZ '93 0 0 7 0 7
OU '85 3 10 17 10 40
Desert swarm vs an underrated OU D.
Arizona really did make it tough for OU in this game offensively, the problem was AZ couldn't do jack on offense. No first downs until the 4th quarter and only then they got 2 of them before Dan White threw an INT at the OU 42. Chuck Levy did run back a KO for the lone score. OU took advantage of the short field over and over. Lashar was 4-4 from 53, 47, 51 and 54 yards. Keith Jackson and Holieway made plays, but OU never had to drive longer than 60 yards. OU did return a punt for a TD. AZ penalties kept 2 OU drives going. I dont think OU gained 250 yards. Arizona might have had 100 yards.
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How do you play? Do you play-call for one team or neither?
That Arizona offense was crap. The year before, they lost games 7-6 and 8-7. That had to be a grind-it-out game. Thanks for sharing!
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I typically play one player, have never played neither. I played as OU '85. I'm always playing above board (cheating yourself otherwise). I think I've told you some time ago, the only house rule I play is calling penalties on 1 and 20 only on the d20. AZ had bad dice rolls passing and couldn't run for squat. I did use the blowout card in the 4th.
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Those 85-87 OU defenses were great.
Would you want to try out a variant Whoa Nellie card for me?
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of course. Happy to try anything.
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Miami 2001 v Penn State 1994. One player (I played as Miami, possession game)
Canes 14 7 3 0 24
PSU 0 13 3 6 22
Canes TD 6yd pass A. Johnson
Canes TD 1yd QB Sneak Dorsey
Canes TD 10 yd run Portis
PSU TD 12 yd pass B. Engram, PAT no good
PSU TD 6 yd run Whittman
Canes FG 52 yards Sievers
PSU FG 53 yards Conway
PSU TD 82 yard PR B. Engram, 2pt conversion no good
Pretty amazing final three quarters, following Miami's ferocious start. Sacks and stuffing Carter on 3rd down force 3 PSU punts. Canes scored on three out of the four first possessions. Conway doinks a PAT with a d98 following a 80 yd drive. Dorsey throws a pick and PSU scores a short Whoa Nellie TD to end the half. Miami's lone score in the second half a bomb FG by Sievers, and PSU comes back with a drive but a missed a 47 yard FG. Conway redeems himself after a Whoa Nellie McGhee fumble. Dorsey throws another pick, but the Canes sack Collins on 3rd and 11 and Penn St is forced to punt, but pins the Canes deep midway 4th. Miami pushes the ball to the 40 but the drive stalls. Then Engram returns a punt in PSU's final possession 82 yards for a dramatic touchdown. Incredibly, Penn St gets flagged for delay of game on the two point conversion attempt! Now at the 8 yard line, I call the right defense for the Canes and Collins short pass falls incomplete. Canes win. Brilliant game pace.
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1984 Oklahoma State 45
2008 Oklahoma State 53
3 Overtimes
On a 4th down and goal to go on the 3 yard line, the regular play selection called for a short pass from Quarterback Rusty Hilger to Tailback Thurman Thomas for 3 yards and a touchdown. Assuming a successful 2 point conversion, the game would be sent into a 4th overtime. However, I was using the newly downloaded "Offensive Yardage Variety Chart" which, with a dice roll of "3" indicated a "-1." In other words, the pass completion on 4th down and 3 yards to go was for only 2 yards, not 3, and the game was over. Thurman Thomas was tackled on 4th down on the one yard line. Great addition the the game!